The Last American Vagabond - Catherine Austin Fitts Interview - Reverse Robin Hood: Why Has Trump Become Anti-Capitalist?

Starting point is 00:00:00 So we're going to reset, but this reset is different than all the other resets, and I'll tell you why. It's very important. This reset, because of digital technology, they can literally end currency and implement a financial control grid, which is the equivalent of slavery. We are evolving from a central banking warfare model, you know, with markets and capitalism to a control grid that, basically is turns the you know i use whitney webb's word it turns the planet into a pen opticon if that's a crime trump's going to jail i've never met a more anti-capital he is our most anti-capitalist president yet welcome to the last american vagabond i have katherine austin fits joining me today for a very important conversation something that i've been reviewing and seeing

Starting point is 00:01:17 and discussing in different ways but really kind of dove into recently with an article written from Gen X Girl for the Last American Bagan Bond entitled How American Tax Dollars prop up Israel's zombie economy. So I decided to invite, obviously, the best person to have this conversation with in the financial field, Catherine Austin Fitz, and discuss what that is in general, a little bit maybe on the zombie economy,

Starting point is 00:01:36 more so about the Israel bonds conversation and how that's affecting the American economy and discuss that how it ties into a lot of different discussions, including the broader topic of whether the country itself through many different points, but Donald Trump himself being anti-eastern. capitalist and maybe that point coming out like talking about i argue the kind of undermining of the long term doopoly of a lot of conversations and we've talked a lot about fascism and socialism and the

Starting point is 00:02:00 allegations and how a lot of ways it seems to be kind of joining together and so we're going to talk with katherine about what that is why that's happening and what we can see and where that seems to be aiming so katherine thank you for joining us today how are you oh it's great to join you and it's great to see you this weekend i have the most beautiful watermelon sitting in my kitchen i love watermelon and that is the biggest heaviest water. That's the heaviest watermelon I've ever seen. All I can say is your garden has a lot of water. Thank you. Lots of love. Yeah, I know I'm very proud of the watermelons for going back there. But thank you. Yeah, I had a great time to Crossing Creek's farms. I actually just gave a big shout out in the show as well. It was a really, you know,

Starting point is 00:02:36 we've been there for many events. That one was very profound to me for many reasons. And I really thought it wasn't it beautiful? Yes. And it was more, obviously it's always an amazing place. It really is just a beautiful place. But your conference. about where this is going and and you know people's investments important part for the conversation today being tied in with kind of building the the digital grid while wanting to fight it and this kind of contradictory moment where you know so there's a lot of people doing that because as you said it's very lucrative right now for people to be invested in these larger funds and not realizing they're building their own cage you know so it's but it's an important moment right and a beautiful beautiful day

Starting point is 00:03:11 Tennessee's a beautiful place that's I mean I've been in a lot of places and it is my favorite I mean I lived in Hawaii for two years, and I think I would still choose Tennessee right now. Obviously, for plenty of other reasons as well as we both choose it. So let's start with, you know, the general conversation of what, you know, Israel bonds, the discussion of what that is for people that don't know. I mean, I myself am very, you know, I'm on the lighter end of understanding a lot of these financial points and what it means and then get into the, I mean, the point that I want to get into is how essentially it seems Americans are being forced to do this, even though it seems to be losing the money

Starting point is 00:03:45 and what that really shows us. So what you're watching, both through the U.S. budget and the federal credit, and now through steering of people's investments, you're seeing a hijacking of our financial resources and assets, I would say, to serve a distinctly anti-American, anti-capitalist group. I mean, I make no bones about it. I think the people, you know, Netanyahu and his close, are basically a criminal syndicate. And I don't think they have any religious or moral philosophies.

Starting point is 00:04:25 And if you look at the extent to which we are pouring money into financing the Holocaust in Gaza or financing all sorts of shenanigans by this group, it's extraordinary. And as you can see, there's more and more indication of lawlessness in the way that they affect our governance structure from the Epstein, the refusal to release the Epstein files, which I would put right at the top of this challenge, to APAC basically controlling congressmen, to having people in both the executive branch and congressional branch have dual citizen passports and terrible conflicts of interest. So we're literally watching the American government hijacked by private. and foreign interests in a way that is very anti-American, very anti-capitalism, and very much in many

Starting point is 00:05:23 respects, I would say, against the law. Yeah, very much. And this is really a bond situation in Florida is an example of trying to make something legal that is clearly not legal. If you look at all of the history of the investment of taxpayers' money through the pension funds or through the state and local budgets, there is a lot of history of something called the prudent man rule and fiduciary obligation.

Starting point is 00:05:54 And you are never supposed to invest in anything that a prudent man wouldn't do. And of course, one of the ways that government officials tell the difference between prudent and non-frudence is through bond ratings. And what we've seen in the last 20 years is the Department of Justice politicized bond. ratings.

Starting point is 00:06:13 They, you know, after the financial crisis, when standard poor has tried to drop the U.S. bond rating, Department of Justice went after their holding company and almost destroyed it. And so the clear message was, you know, ratings are political, but now what we see is bonds that don't make the investment grade rating. And now we see DeSantis, unfortunately, passing and signing a law, the Florida legislature in DeSantos, basically making it possible for local authorities to invest in these bonds. And if you look at the amount of money that you've reported they're putting in, this is

Starting point is 00:06:53 really taking from the poor and giving to the rich. And I know the biggest position is in Palm Beach, and there are many, many wealthy people in Palm Beach, but there are also taxpayers in Palm Beach who are not wealthy. And this is very disturbing because what we're talking about is we've watched, as steady collapse of our financial controls in the United States. And it started with the financial collapse of the U.S. government finances. So the U.S. government is clearly operating way outside the financial management laws. We've seen a refusal to produce audited financial statements as required by law. And now we've seen the government in 2018 adopt an administrative policy

Starting point is 00:07:36 that says we can keep secret books. Right. Now, an administrative policy cannot overreward the Constitution and the laws and the regulations. It's junior to all three of those layers, and yet they're doing it because Congress and the executive branch agree that they can do it. And no one, you know, Congress has the power of the purse. So they can turn off the money and say, unless we get an audit of financial statements, no appropriation for you or, you know, we cut your appropriations by a certain amount. It was really funny. The Buffett said the other one. Buffett said the other day, you know, it's real easy if you want to balance the budget, just say that, you know, if the deficit is more than 3% of GDP, all incumbents get thrown

Starting point is 00:08:19 out of office. He said, they'll balance it real quick. Right. Right. I was going to say that point goes for so many other things as well, right? I mean, if you put their money, you know, have them have personal responsibility in these actions and you see things change very quickly. And you pointed out that in Florida, as well as Pennsylvania and plenty of other states, It's, it's, it's, it's, they pass laws that make it, you know, prohibit the divestment from these, even though they're losing money. And it just seems like a, you know, it seems criminal, as you were saying. It, to me, this is criminal.

Starting point is 00:08:50 Yeah. This is a complete violation of fiduciary obligation. And this is happening at the same time, if you look at what's happening in the first amendment, the second amendment in all sorts of areas related to financial management, what we're seeing is basically, a new philosophy that we don't have to obey the law. We can just, you know, it's break things and move fast.

Starting point is 00:09:19 It's the tech model of we don't need to pay attention to any of those things. I just, I don't know if you saw the Attorney General's testimony recently. Yeah. It was amazing because, because basically what I heard, you know, my impression is, is her saying, look, we don't have to,

Starting point is 00:09:38 obey the law and we're going to do whatever we want if you don't like it tough. Right. I mean, there's this feeling that the political power rests with the criminal syndicate. And the criminal syndicate can do whatever they want. And as long as if you do what they want, you're protected. I mean, it's, it's a, and, and the clear mess. This is not just in the domestic area. This is international too.

Starting point is 00:10:00 So all over the world. And that was the message of shutting down USAID. USAID was basically soft power. You go into a country and you buy everybody, including with all these ridiculous things. Now we're saying, okay, we got the Palantir system. We can manhunt and kill you. And now we're going to a hard power, you know, a hard power system. Well, let me ask you something in regard to the point you made in the beginning, which I completely agree with.

Starting point is 00:10:23 It's very clear, if anybody's, you know, being objective and honest about this, that Israel, as well as other money-d-interest lobbying group, maybe other countries, are influencing policy in this country, very clearly. So, but as you highlighted there, is it your opinion? or how do you see you know that ultimately that that was that that that became the reality because of let's say israel manufacturing that or more so that the u.s. government through i guess just profiteering open that door to outside interest using lobbying to basically take control that allowed that in israel just took advantage you see what i'm saying so maybe you look at that so i would say israel is a portion and and i don't want to say israel because is a country full of many many people right right we're talking about a syndicate that runs Israel that is essentially American.

Starting point is 00:11:10 I mean, Netanyahu, I grew up in Philadelphia, Netanyahu went to Cheltenham High. He's a graduate of Cheltenham High in Philadelphia, and I could have told you, never give a nuclear arsenal to anybody who graduated from Cheltenham High. Just don't do that. Okay, then he went to MIT, he went back to Israel to be in the military, then he came back to MIT. You know, Netanyahu is not a Middle East guy. He's, you know, in my book, he's an American. he's gone in and out of citizenship several times. But, you know, if you look at who runs Israel,

Starting point is 00:11:43 it's the United States or it's it's mega donors, mega rich in the United States. So my framework is this is the mega rich against everyone else. And this infrastructure has been growing steadily since the creation of the national security state 47 and 49. And what we've done is we have taken secret government programs and money and secret behavior by the federal and the CIA, who's very much in the lead here, U.S. intelligence agencies, and we've centralized, centralized, centralized more and more economic and political power. And one of the ways we've done that is by basically running economic hits all around the world. So we're just publishing our new wrap-up on plunder, and it gives chapter and verse. And one of the things you would hear the

Starting point is 00:12:32 people doing those economic hits all around the world is eventually we're going to have to come back and do our domestic populations. And now what you're watching is you're watching a process happening in both Europe and the United States and the G7 nations where they are, they are now plundering their own populations because they got their, you know what, warped in the Ukraine and now they can't plunder Russia. So now we're coming home and plundering home base. Right, exactly, which, you know, arguably like you said, was always the plumbed. plan. And I think it's important to overlap with this as well before we get into the more other aspects of like the, that's the lie about capital or rather Trump being anti-capitalist.

Starting point is 00:13:12 There's an overlap to this in regard to the universities, constitutional actions like BDS as well, that ultimately the argument that the Gen X girl makes as well on the article, but I've seen many other reports about it, is that the, so we had the BDS movement getting a lot of traction. And this even overlaps, by the way, with the, with the TikTok point, as Glenn Greenwald points out, that there was really two main elements that was, you know, the largest issues. There's plenty more. But that was the campus protest and awareness through that that Greenblatt said himself. It's a generational problem.

Starting point is 00:13:42 And then TikTok. And both of them effectively have been dealt with through Donald Trump's action. Then it's not just a left right. So let's look at TikTok. Well, let me make one poorly quickly the point I was going to make and then we'll go to TikTok was simply that the argument was from the bond side of it that they, and here's an actual article from Times of Israel making this exact point. that like, hey, we're going to do this as an alternative to BDS, and they literally called it,

Starting point is 00:14:06 what was it called right here? The bonds donated to schools. And the point was they donated these to schools, knowing that schools weren't allowed to basically divest for them to a certain period of time. Then they were locked in and were able to divest. And so it's a deliberate element effort from the Israeli government to sort of undermine the constitutional rights of individuals and the ability to divest. And so TikTok is a similar overlap. But go ahead. I just want to make that point about how coercive that is.

Starting point is 00:14:30 Right. So when the TikTok brouhaha started, the problem was, so let me talk about Gaza. You know, a lot of times I'll refer to Gaza as a Holocaust. But let me refer to Gaza as a real estate development. Okay. I mean, if you look at the peace plan, it's pretty clear. It's a real estate development. You know, you take a piece of land, you clean off by killing or moving the people who are on it.

Starting point is 00:14:58 You take the oil and gas. You take the water and you decimate the infrastructure and you do all of that with taxpayers money. Right. Right. And then so now you've got a clean slate. You come back in and suddenly Donald Trump and Tony Blair are in charge of the new place. And then you say, oh, let's fix Gaza. And you bring in lots of taxpayers money and you build it up except now you and your pals own it. Right. So it's a taking.

Starting point is 00:15:27 Right. It's a taking. I'm not clear about that. I mean, they've publicly been praising the idea of the real estate deal that it is. Right. So they've been very clear. Now, the problem on TikTok was it was interfering with the real estate development. Right? You're a group of people and you're trying to take control of land for free and you're being interrupted. Right. And TikTok was interrupting you. It was making it, you know, it was threatening your ability to assert control of the real estate. Okay. So TikTok had to be dealt with. Now, here's what you need to know, looking at the sort of holding company and ownership structure. At the time that they said TikTok was a problem, TikTok was not owned by the Chinese. 20% was owned by the Chinese founders and employees. And they had operational control. But you had 45% or more that was owned by U.S. private equity firms, including KKR. Right? So their problem was an ownership. It was, operation, they wanted to be able to openly censor.

Starting point is 00:16:32 Right. Right. So basically you have the U.S. government and Congress step in and force a shift of control of TikTok. That's a taking. Yeah. And under the argument that it was foreign influence when all you did was ultimately handed over to a different kind of foreign influence.

Starting point is 00:16:47 I'm sorry. When American private equity firms own the majority of the equity, not the Chinese, you know, that is not foreign influence. I mean, I'm not saying that there isn't foreign influence. an influence. But, but, you know, excuse me, you know, we're talking about going in and saying, okay, in the United States, you, even though we pretend to have the biggest capital markets in the world, you can't trust us because we feel free to take your stuff if you're in the U.S. capital markets, right? That's what they're saying. They're saying there's no law in the U.S.

Starting point is 00:17:21 capital markets. If you don't do what we say, we take your stuff. Okay. So one thing led to another, and we engineer a transfer of TikTok into the control of one of the richest people in the world. Okay? So whether it's, you know, must coming in and taking all the data or Larry Ellison picking up TikTok, what do we see? You know, we're back to the billionaires who are friendly or part of the syndicate, you know, getting windfalls in takings. that's what we're seeing. Okay. Okay.

Starting point is 00:17:59 So Ellison takes over TikTok within 12 hours. If you go to TikTok and you put in my name, it will say, you know, no response because this is in violation of violence standards and community standards and whatever. So I'm completely shadowbound from TikTok. The Salary Report channel is still there, but you can't find it unless you know how to find it. Okay. So that's what they're doing. They're taking assets and then they're turning around. And they're doing that at the same time what else is happening?

Starting point is 00:18:33 Netanyahu has a big meeting. He hires Trump's former campaign manager for $1.5 million a month and starts pumping out huge and hideous budgets for influencers across the media, both corporate media and alternative media, to be paid to. post pro-Israeli things. Not even hiding it. From the minute that turned on, you wouldn't believe the tsunami of garbage that I've been receiving. It's unbelievable. Receiving how you mean in your feed or being sent?

Starting point is 00:19:11 Being sent with emails in various feeds. You know, it's coming in all directions. And what I will tell you, knowing a lot of people in the alternative media, they don't know where this is coming from. In other words, so you got one group that suddenly, because last year, you know, you have to have foreign boogeymen. Last year was the Chinese. The Chinese were the foreign boogeyman, but that was wearing thin.

Starting point is 00:19:34 Now, I go to a meeting yesterday. There are a thousand Al-Qaeda cells from Islam, and Islam is the danger, and, you know, we have to be ready to defend ourselves against Islam. Now, you know, I don't disagree that there aren't serious migration problems coming out of Islam or that there aren't serious issues here. And I just turned around and this is a very well-educated, prosperous person from Tennessee. I just looked at them and I said, let me explain how this works. If you look at the over a trillion dollar military intelligence budget, there is no one from Muslim countries in this country who isn't. financed, tracked, identified, controlled, and managed by the U.S. intelligence agencies. So if there are a thousand Al Qaeda cells, who do you think they work for?

Starting point is 00:20:29 Right. And who do you think can kick them out in a flat second? I mean, we're talking about living in a panopticon here. Mm-hmm. Okay. And if you don't understand that after Palantir, you know, so the notion that suddenly we got to worry about the Islamic bogging man. And I just said to them, look, the problem you have to worry about is that your Congress is controlled by foreign interests. Listen to Tucker Carlson.

Starting point is 00:20:57 Your military, you have, you have Israeli IDF military in the Pentagon in the middle of a war, telling the Pentagon what to do and screaming at them and treating them like, you know, doo-do squad. I have a video, by the way, we can play with since you just, this is, I was just talking with this last night. very short. This is this is from before this current focus. And I'll add, by the way, to what you were saying, that I think it's very, very obvious. And this is why they're sort of in damage control that, I mean, the right very clearly, but I think both sides of the paradigm are very, very vocal and very aware that Israel is the largest issue and all that. And I think they're just kind of scrambling to try to cover that up. Like Luna basically just tried to argue that, like China was responsible for Charlie Kirk's death and so on, despite not being proven in any case, I think it's interesting that there's a lot of effort to distract from that. Here is Wilkerson speaking to going underground about how the Israel controls the Pentagon.

Starting point is 00:21:52 This is before, I believe this is even before October 7th he's referring to. Well, obviously because it's his administration, but I'm not sure if the interview was then before. Well, let's tell you. That the Epstein business was heavily influenced. Let me put it that way by Mossad. And so that's somehow emblematic on these huge geopolitical issues. Yes, I watch Mossad. take over the Pentagon in 2002.

Starting point is 00:22:20 The Pentagon was infiltrated by Mossad. They did not need any identification to get through the river entrance of the building. They went upstairs to Douglas Fythe, the Undersecretary of Defense for policy, the third most powerful man in the Defense Department. Occasionally they went to the second most powerful man, Paul Wolfowitz, the Deputy Secretary of Defense, and they had run of the Pentagon. Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense, said to me, my boss one time. Hell, I don't run my building. Massad does. Okay, so I was just saying this on

Starting point is 00:22:55 money and markets. If you want to do something to turn America back to a successful country, economically or politically, one of the most important things you want is the Epstein files released. Right. Okay. If a criminal syndicate can control your government using control files, then there's no hope. So get those Epstein files released. I don't know if you just saw Howard Lutnik's latest interview. Oh, maybe not actually. Okay. So Howard Lutnik, Secretary of Commerce gives an interview saying that Epstein, even though he was a next door neighbor and shared a wall. Oh, I did see that one. Gave him the creeps. And he couldn't believe it, but other people fell for it because they wanted the massages and they went along.

Starting point is 00:23:47 And that include Bill Gates. So he added Bill Gates is going along with a massage. Okay, so now we have Howard Lutnik implying that Bill Gates is a pedophile or certainly sleeping with underage children. And then he says that Epstein was rich because he ran the most successful blackmail syndicate in history. Now, I would say it's because he ran one of the most successful money laundering things in history, but let's put that aside.

Starting point is 00:24:14 So Howard Letnik says that Epstein was a violent criminal, right? So he's trafficking children who are being raped. Right. And he's blackmailing leaders. Okay. So we're talking about a major criminal conspiracy, according to the Secretary of Commerce. Mm-hmm. But meantime, the president and the attorney general were telling us,

Starting point is 00:24:44 We have no files, which we know is a complete lie. Right. Right. The compensation fund created after Epstein died from his estate allocated 140 million to 138 victims or 138 million to 140 victims. So it's about a million per. Now, you don't give 140 people a million dollars per if there's no there there. Right.

Starting point is 00:25:10 Right. And I was going to say that Massey and Congress laid out the 20 names that they have access to the lies from cash like there's there's no denying that they're they're trying to hide this right now well it gets better mike johnson is refusing right to swear in the 218th vote so so we have a congresswoman who's who now just won in a special election we know she's going to vote for massy's petition she's going to put it over the top mike johnson refuses to swear her in right i mean there are people are calling this the epstein shutdown yeah i mean he's he alluded that beforehand, in fact. I very much think that's at least a large part of why this is happening.

Starting point is 00:25:48 And on top of that, I get the sense that what we're watching is that, that being one side of it, if they, I mean, they can only stretch that as long as they can. I think the point is, that's the holding point. I'm arguing that they're probably going after one of the Republicans, like Nancy Mace, for example, to get her to change, then they won't have it either way. That's what I think is happening. So, so what we saw was, you had, I don't know if you saw the judge whose house blew up in South Carolina. Yeah. You know, but the gloves are coming off

Starting point is 00:26:16 and the signals are always, you know, if you oppose us, here's what happens. So let's look on September 10th. What happened on September 10th? In regard to Charlie Kirk. So you had the Charlie Kirk assassination events, okay? What else happened on September 10th?

Starting point is 00:26:35 Afterwards. What happened? The Senate voted to not release the Epstein files. Mm-hmm. Okay. What a coincidence. Right.

Starting point is 00:26:44 Right. So back to a criminal syndicate controlling the country. So that is clearly outside the law. It is clearly criminal. And these things, you know, but at the same time, if you're a state or local official, you know, you don't want your house blown up. Right? Right. Right.

Starting point is 00:27:04 But the next thing you know, you're legislating things that give to the syndicate are money. So it's a bank. robbery by blackmail. Yeah, exactly. So, so, so how does this, the Epstein overlap tie into the financial side of it all? I mean, you made the case already about the money laundering, but go, go deeper on that and why that connects. Well, Epstein goes to the White House, according to Whitney Webb in 1994. You know, and if you want to understand Whitney, uh, Epstein, you really have to read Whitney Webb's books and I agree materials that all rolled out on your wonderful website. But, So Epstein is taken by Bob Rubin, who's the National Economic Advisor,

Starting point is 00:27:47 later Secretary of the Treasury. So Bob takes Epstein to the White House in 1994, introduces him to Clintons. Before the Clintons leave, he's gone to the White House many, many, many times. Whitney has the numbers in her books, but it's extraordinary. And then in 1997, beginning of fiscal 1998, we have Rubin go over to Treasury. forget exactly when he goes over. But Ruben goes over to Treasury. He brings in Gary Gensler from Goldman Sachs, his old partner from Goldman Sachs, and suddenly 21 trillion starts disappearing from the federal government. Then Clinton leaves the White House and proceeds to get into plane with

Starting point is 00:28:31 Epstein and they start flying around the world where huge and hideous amounts of money start being donated back to places like the Clinton Foundation and the Gates Foundation. where that money really come from clearly from the operation it sounds you know i i have i have all sorts of theories and we have no proof but when 21 trillion dollars goes missing here the offshore havens explode in price the b i s and the and the new york fed grow much much closer and then suddenly huge and hideous amounts of money mysteriously show up donated to all these foundations who are implementing control and social control. It's the coincidence is remarkable.

Starting point is 00:29:19 Yeah. Well, is this, and this would be this, where the FASB 56 part comes into play in regard to the black books or the dark books? Right. So here's what happened. So in 1998, I started to see the money disappearing, including from HUD. So Rubin's over at Treasury and vast amounts of money start disappearing from both HUD and DOD. As of 9-11, remember the day before 9-11, Rumsfeld admitted in a press conference the 2.3 trillion had been missing, had gone missing the prior year. So we started to bring pressure because I'd been part of a group of people in the first Bush administration who had gotten laws passed requiring audit and financial statements.

Starting point is 00:30:00 And a process had begun where the federal government would start to publish something saying we can't produce auditive financial statements. And one of the problems is we have this undocumentable adjustments, that undocumented adjustments. I never worked at the Pentagon, but I was the Assistant Secretary of Housing at HUD. And what I know is that's important. You look at the amount of money. There's almost a trillion dollars now missing from HUD. It's impossible. You know, by the time I left the Federal Housing Administration, everything was computerized.

Starting point is 00:30:29 You had plenty of resources. You had plenty of smart people. You had plenty of contracting authority. There's no reason their books weren't perfect. Right. Okay. Covering up crime. There's no way that happens unless you are doing illegal transactions.

Starting point is 00:30:45 Right, right. You know, there's no way. Okay. So this goes on and on and on for many years. And in 2015, we have 6.5 trillion missing in one year. And, of course, every year all along, I'm trying to raise the red flags and warn people about this, because I know if you, if you steal this much from our retirement funds, the only way you can balance the books is by lowering life expectancy. And in fact, great poisoning had started and they were lowering

Starting point is 00:31:17 life expectancy, but it's accelerated dramatically with the pandemic on. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I think that's really important not to brush over for people to pay attention to the timing of that. And then then we fall into the COVID-19 illusion, which is exactly what you've been saying the entire time that, you know, at least one of the large byproducts, what seemed by design was the lowering of life expectancy, which is, well, if you look at, if you look at life expectancy in the 20 industrialized countries, exactly when the financial coup starts, you see the life expectancy in the U.S. diverge from the other 19, and it diverges slowly, and then it falls off the cliff in the pandemic. Right. And so whether, and if you look at the policies implementing the great

Starting point is 00:31:59 poisoning, it's intentional. It's a plan. Right. Not an accident. Right. Okay. So, so, so, anyway, so we, we have this money going missing. And so because of the 2015 or the attention given Dr. Mark Skidmore did a survey that we published in 2017. And I had identified as of the 6.5 trillion, 12 trillion missing. He went back with his students and did a complete survey of all the DOD and had documents and calculated 21 trillion of undocumented adjustments. So now we're talking. It's exactly what a Senate appropriation staff said to me long ago.

Starting point is 00:32:41 They said, you know, HUD is being run as a criminal enterprise. Now, HUD can't be run as a criminal enterprise unless the Treasury, the Department of Justice, the DOD, and the New York Fed run it as a criminal enterprise. It's a matrix structure. Okay. So at that point, a lot of attention gets brought to the fact that DOD continually has promised. and then refuse to produce audited financial statements, and there's unbelievable unanswered questions. Everything comes to a head, and the solution is,

Starting point is 00:33:15 during the Kavanaugh hearings, right in the middle of the Kavanaugh hearings, they slip out a new policy that I think they thought no one would catch, but we caught it. It was called Federal Accounting Standards Advisory Board Statement 56, and what it said is a secret group of people by a secret process could take a secret amount of the financial information and move it into a secret set of books. So the federal government can keep two sets of books and no one can know who's deciding this on what criteria,

Starting point is 00:33:48 how much has been moved out. And then if you throw it, and this applies not just to the 24 covered agencies, but another 150 related sort of corporations or agencies or entities. And then with the national security and classification laws, while it also applies to the big banks and defense contractors and IT companies that do business with the federal government so now Ryan we're looking at a situation where the American stock and bond market essentially have no meaningful disclosure and and one thing I always point out is that so

Starting point is 00:34:22 essentially what they did right there was you know there's an issue that people are acknowledging and say okay we'll do something about the issue and instead of doing something about the issue they just make it so it doesn't it's not seen or somehow it's legalized or you know I did they do just every, Ron Paul used to often make this point where they just go, now it's legal. So no problem, right? It's just very. Yeah, but here's the thing.

Starting point is 00:34:40 An administrative policy cannot overrule the Constitution, the law and regulations. It's junior to all those things. So we have an excellent article called caveat emptier, where I explain what this means to investors. You know, and this is also, remember, part and parcel where the rating agencies can't do anything because the Department of Justice has made it clear if you drop or rating will get you. Now, Moody's just dropped the rating a little bit, so apparently a little bit is being allowed. But this is extraordinary because, let me give you an example. So I, for 10 years, I was an investment advisor after I settled the litigation with the Department of Justice.

Starting point is 00:35:19 And people kept coming to me to help me clean them up from financial fraud like Madoff or other frauds and protect them from fraud, but they also wanted to get away from the digital control grid. And I kept telling them there's no way. There's no like going to Switzerland and getting away from this. If you don't push back and stop it, we're all going to be slaves. It was one of the reasons I stopped. But I turned the company in 2018 into an investment screen company. So we screen stocks for a money manager who has a fund.

Starting point is 00:35:51 And basically he can only buy or, he doesn't have to buy or sell what we approve, but he can only buy yourself from the list of what we approve. And one of the things we do is, we do everything we can to not approve companies that are highly dependent on federal government contract subsidies, whatever, because I have no idea what their disclosure means. I look at their disclosure and I'm like, I have no idea. All I know is they are highly dependent on a political entity that is operating outside the law and that operating outside the law is getting worse and worse every day.

Starting point is 00:36:30 So from like a food, you know, like the making money standpoint, are you, is that worried that the unknown can cause that to maybe collapse or just that there's an illegal issue that you don't be a part of or is it both? So I'm worried that, you know, the problem with being highly dependent on a political, you know, a small number of clients who are very political is, you know, you can get whacked way around. So we saw some of the big contractors during the initial part of a. transition can, you know, can see their stock way down and their revenues way down because they're in favor or out of favor, depending on which part of the university they work with. So part of it is you're just, you're politically dependent. But the other problem is, you know, there is more and more pressure on you to do things which are clearly illegal. Right. And because you're so dependent, you know, you can get pushed into doing things that are illegal. And so we try to avoid that. So we're looking for real companies that do. productive things that help people, that, you know, that, you know, their relationship with their employees and their customers and the people in their, you know, their vendors is, is, is, lawful and productive. You know, we want, we want real companies that do real things. And there are many of them. I mean, it's a big world and there's still, we still have a lot of companies that

Starting point is 00:37:55 are great. What was very sad is I had to, after the pandemic, I had to throw about, 80 companies off because they had just conducted themselves during the pandemic in a way which was exceptionally harmful to their employees and their and their customers. Right. I mean, life-threatening. Yeah, right. And a lot of that, and in no way is this like a removal of accountability, but as you like, we know, a lot of that was coercive from the government.

Starting point is 00:38:21 And a lot of companies are put in a position where they almost had to choose between closing and compromising their integrity and principles. So it's, you know. Here's, and I'll give you the example. before the pandemic started, one of my favorite companies, and I would have bet you, if you told me I was going to throw this company off the screen, I would have said impossible. One of my favorite companies was Qantas Airlines from Australia. Qantas had the best safety record of any airline. And if you've ever flown Qantas or dealt with them as of the start of the pandemic, their operations were remarkable in terms of the quality of the management, the quality of the management, the quality.

Starting point is 00:39:00 of the governance, the quality of the customers. I mean, just a remarkable company. And the people were, the culture was wonderful. You get on a Qantasail, people are wonderful. You know, it's just, I can't, I couldn't say enough good things about Qantas. Literally, Quanis then, and I'm sure it was government coercion, dictates that their pilots

Starting point is 00:39:22 have to do something that could kill them, but which we know encourages clotting of blood, And that's, of course, the danger clotting. Blood clots is a real danger for flying. Yeah. You can't do that because your business is safety. Mm-hmm. Right?

Starting point is 00:39:41 You are doing something. You get the wrong kind of blood clots on a flight, and you can have a plane crash and kill a couple hundred people, right? Right. You know, there is a point at which you need to say, no, we refuse to do it. If the airlines had turned to the government and said, no, you know, we're responsible for, for safety. And we're not going to do that. We're not going to mandate this to pilots.

Starting point is 00:40:09 Yeah. I mean, they would have probably gotten support from that, you know, but who knows in the moment? Because they were pretty, especially in Australia. But to that point, we've covered this lot on the show in regard to, I mean, I've called them vacidents in the during the conversation, is that there was a rapid, I mean, like very documented increase in traffic. accidents after that time period or not as to the same degree, but with plain accidents as well. You know, and you really just can't deny that. But they, I think the problem was that a lot of the time maybe didn't even know that there was a risk or that the government was telling them that there was no association with blood clots.

Starting point is 00:40:42 You know, it's just so convoluted. But I agree with you. And I think that this is where we have to be today is to take that hard principled stance. It's just the only way we can get there. If you, you know, when the pandemic started, I knew there was a risk of blood clots on these things. Right. And I'm not a doctor.

Starting point is 00:40:57 I'm not a scientist. You know, but I had had a lot of clients who were had experienced vaccine injury and the lives of the, you know, of the medical community. Long before the COVID back, you're saying. And I agree. Long before. You know, if you look at how many, I mean, think about it. One of the great heroes of the pandemic were all the mothers who refused to back down and kept trying to warn everybody about how dangerous, you know, how many people were being killed by vaccines. Right.

Starting point is 00:41:25 They saved a lot of people during the pandemic. It was thanks to them that I knew it took me many years of working with mothers dealing with, you know, neurologically damaged kids from vaccines that helped me understand what was happening and how dangerous, you know, this stuff could be. But certainly, you know, help me understand that the pharmaceutical industry was killing people. Mm-hmm. And medical, you know, medical malpractice is the third before the pandemic started. was the third largest killer of people in America. And I think I just saw an email by Sean Rappaport predicting now it's number one. It has to be.

Starting point is 00:42:04 I mean, if we're being honest about the numbers, there's really no way around it. That was unprecedented, you know? Right. And as you call it, the great poisoning, which is way more than just the vaccine side of it. But that is an obvious point, not forget the relation to the reduction of life expectancy and what that did at the first point, kind of balancing that problem out. But so there's an interesting overlap of this to the point we're going to get into. around anti-capitalism and the conversation of Trump?

Starting point is 00:42:28 Is it right there you could make a point about the government overlap with a pharmaceutical product that created by an independent company? And, you know, there was a lot of these points. So let's get into that overlap and how this connects. So I just want to go back because, you know, I am a capitalist from way back. You know, I grew up on Wall Street and investment banking and I loved it. But capitalism, there's a very major line between capitalism. and crime.

Starting point is 00:42:57 Okay. And so capitalism, you know, is when you, the society sets a set of rules. It's called justice. These are the rules we're going to play by. These are the rule by which we run our markets. These are how we're going to conduct yourself. So you have a governance and a management system that sets the rules. And then capitalism is you compete fiercely within those rules, right?

Starting point is 00:43:22 That's capitalism. when you say, I don't have to obey the rules, I'm above the law, and I'm just going to take people's stuff and I'm going to cheat and steal, we call that crime. And that's not, that's not capitalism. And, you know, I feel Mohat Gandhi once said, you know, when asked about Western civilization, he said, I think we ought to try it. And I believe in America, I think we ought to try capitalism. I think capitalism could work really well. I think it could work better than technocracy plus organized crime. Well, so just on a quick note, then, what would you, just how would you describe the current

Starting point is 00:44:00 financial system or the, you know, what would you call it we're dealing with right now? So, so we're dealing in it with the central bank reset. And this reset, the central banks reset the system every sort of 80 to 120 years is my read of things. and we're in the what they they got together in 2018 and looked at a plan from a group of central bankers working through the BlackRock Institute called Going Direct. And if you come to Salary, we have a great deal of information about the going direct reset. And so we're going to reset. But this reset is different than all the other resets. And I'll tell you why.

Starting point is 00:44:39 It's very important. This reset, because of digital technology, they can literally end currency. and implement a financial control grid, which is the equivalent of slavery. If you look at why they cancel the African slave trade, it solves all the problems they had them that caused them to cancel it. And slavery, we know historically, is the most profitable business. So this gives them the ability to literally implement a complete control grid. And so it's the end of currency. And we've never seen that before, you know, reset, changes, flush, moves the currency, but now we're talking about ending currency as we know it.

Starting point is 00:45:25 It's quite remarkable. It's a, in other words, we are evolving from a central banking warfare model, you know, with markets and capitalism to a control grid that basically is turns the, you know, I use Whitney Webb's word, it turns the planet into a panopticon. Right. It's a prison. Right. And one of the things I keep saying about that and what that, right, you just described there is that that that pushes us to a place where kind of what we were saying earlier, our opinions, our thoughts, our Constitution rights, it's irrelevant at that point. It's beyond that. So we go from a status of human to a status of slave. Yes. Yeah. You know, basically, you're looking at mega rich versus everyone else. And mega rich is looking at the situation and saying, we want total central control. And so we want a slave.

Starting point is 00:46:17 system, there'll be plenty of mind control because slaves who don't know their slaves are more profitable. But if you look at the system, it's destined to attract to basically extract as much value from each person. So, so no one has any rights and nobody has any right to, they have no, we have no human rights and no property rights. You owe nothing, you owe nothing and you've never been happier. It's the web plan, right? Right. Yeah. Well, so, so overlapping this then with the point of, Trump being anti-capitalist or really what I would say is the best way to frame it largely is we've talked about the kind of the two sides, you know, fascism, communism, and sort of how there's very many overlaps to that very same thing. And we can see both happening on either on Biden and Trump's

Starting point is 00:47:02 administration. And so the conversation tends to be that, you know, they get called different things, but ultimately it seems the government has been guiding us in this very same direction. So the point, though, is that people are, you know, would clutch their pearls at the argument that Donald Trump is somehow. So let me, let me, let me share. We have the game works. Okay. So I live in our outside of Memphis, and Memphis has an absolutely horrible crime problem. And they've had a district attorney, I'm told, who basically let the criminals run free.

Starting point is 00:47:31 Okay. Now, we know the criminals running for the extent they're doing narcotics trafficking or sex leave trafficking, it's not those criminals who are making all the money. The money's going upstairs, right? Right. Because you can't transact a dime in this financial system. You know, it's all controlled by the banks. Okay.

Starting point is 00:47:50 So the money's going upstairs. But anyway, so we have a DA who wouldn't prosecute. There's a wonderful senator from this area who's been trying to get that DA impeached because what do you need? You know, the crime rate is way too high in Memphis. Okay. And it's hurting property owners. It's hurting citizens. It's killing tourism.

Starting point is 00:48:12 It's just bad. So, but what do you need? You need a non-saurus. You need a real DA who's prosecuting crime and not permitting crime to happen in the city. That's your solution. Okay. Now, hold that thought because this is the ping pong of the uniparty. So we got one side of the uniparty promoting this, you know, sort of allowing crime to ravage Memphis.

Starting point is 00:48:39 So in comes Trump. And if you look at what happened in Chicago, Trump is basically saying, okay, well, ICE is going to drop in and round up people without warrants or evidence, and including U.S. citizens and their kids, and confiscate property freely. Now, why would ICE do that? Ice would do that because if you get pushback against ICE, it gives the president authority to drop in the military, right? He's allowed to drop in military to protect ICE and ICE facilities, right? Is he though? Well, I'll come back to that, though, go ahead. Okay, well, let's just assume, you know, he can have standing. What he doesn't have standing to do is drop in the National Guard of the military to deal with local crime. Right. That's the

Starting point is 00:49:26 mayor's job, the police job. Okay. But if he can cook up a pushback against ICE, now, you know, somebody said, oh, well, look at what ICE did, you know, in Portland, you know, in June. My attitude was really who financed it. Okay. This is a theater. And, and, you know, And you've got, so I was having a debate with somebody from Memphis the other day. No, they were from the other side of Tennessee, but we're talking about Memphis. And they said, I would be happy for the president to drop military into Memphis to stop crime. Okay. And I said, you know, pointing to what happened to Chicago, what about the rights of the people in Memphis?

Starting point is 00:50:11 And she said, they have no rights until they're in prison. Okay. Now, what this does is say no warrants, no due process, no effort to determine whether somebody's a citizen or an immigrant. Okay. So let's talk about the precedent. What we're saying is I can arrest somebody with no warrant. I can, if you look at what's going on in California, I can hold them for 37 days at great expense of the taxpayer with no warrant and no identification and no due process. So no evidence, no warrant, no due process, right? And I can put them in prison. And the basis upon which I can do this is because I say they're a domestic terrorist. Right.

Starting point is 00:50:56 So if I say you're a domestic, let's say you have 100 acres of farmland I want from my data center. Good point. I just say you're a terrorist and then no warrant, no due process. I can go arrest you. you in prison and confiscate your property all because I say you're terrorists. Right. We're talking the plunder game. Right.

Starting point is 00:51:21 Right. And what this person didn't understand, they were arguing to set a precedent that was going to be used to target them and take their property. Right. And they didn't understand that. And they said to me, you don't like Trump. I said, this has nothing to do with Trump. Right.

Starting point is 00:51:40 Exactly. You're walking a theater. You know, the Soros DA and dropping the military in and setting a precedent that we can come and arrest you because we say you're a terrorist and take your property, that's a precedent for the plunder team. And you're getting played by the theater. You're getting squeezed by the theater to fall in the trap to support it. Right. And just to broaden it out of touch, it's more than just that specific point, as you would argue as well, it can be used in any other way. We want to suppress your speech because you know, you're a terrorist.

Starting point is 00:52:11 We want to, you know, anything they want to. The point is that if we jumps to that terrorism claim, like the U.S. government's been doing all over the world, they can essentially argue that that's national security and they can do whatever they want, which is the larger point. It's everywhere you look. Right. Right. And so I'm sitting there talking to this wonderful, well-educated, wealthy person who is,

Starting point is 00:52:34 who is helping to build the plunder machinery and press, that will take her assets. Right. I'm like, don't you see the game? Do you think that's because she believed that somehow Trump is not going to do that to her? Or is she doesn't have the foresight to see that the next Democratic administration could do the same? I mean, I don't understand how smart people can fall into that trap. So we should talk about that.

Starting point is 00:53:01 But here's the thing. But the first thing you have to understand is that all of the, organized crime in this country essentially controls. A soccer mom cannot back the drug dealer out of the neighborhood because he works for Tony Soprano who finances James Bond. Right. Right. Okay.

Starting point is 00:53:25 And the business is very centralized. So if there is, or if there are criminal gangs dealing drugs in Memphis, they are not running that business. They are working. They are on a chain of command. And the money is flowing upstairs. That's what you have to understand. And the people who control that business can turn it on and off whenever they want. Right.

Starting point is 00:53:48 Right. Right. So first of all, you've got to see the game. And the reality is the things that are destroying your city or destroying Memphis, you know, are centrally organized and controlled. and if you want to push back on the third rail, you've got to bring transparency to that and you've got to deal with that and not get ping pong back and forth

Starting point is 00:54:15 in the Uniparty game. Right. And back to the point, I know you've got limited time. So at the seizing of land or any other way they would do that brings back to that point that it's sort of an illusion about the capital. So the way you're framing that,

Starting point is 00:54:29 would you argue that both the Uniparty is, you know, where would you frame that in the scale from capitalism, communism, fascism. There's a real competition in the Uniparty, and that is who gets the right to grift and steal this year. Well, I thought it was very interesting that, for example, that Trump, and so did Biden, by the way, classified anti-capitalism as a political, you know, pre-crime. Trump is going to jail. If that's a crime, Trump's going to jail. I've never met a more anti-capital. He is our most anti-capitalist president yet. How interesting. Now, again, do you think that's just because

Starting point is 00:55:04 this is the time in which that's supposed to happen, but that's his way, the way he sees it? Like, you know, is it his opinion? Is that what he believes? If you're, let's go back to the mega rich versus everything else. You have BB Netanyahu running all over the Middle East, according to Tucker Carlson, telling people that he controls America. Yeah, that's not new.

Starting point is 00:55:25 Yeah. Right. So I think if you look at the syndicate that's doing Gaza, they see Gaza as near success and they're ready. to do Europe in the United States. And you've got to get a digital ID, you've got to get programmable money, and you've got to get enough shredding of the Constitution

Starting point is 00:55:46 so that you're free to rock and roll. So if you want to bring Gaza to America, you know, it's digital ID, programmable money, and compromise of the constitutional protections on due process. and, you know, First Amendment, second amendment, you're trying to shred the Constitution, and you're trying to get the MAGA group

Starting point is 00:56:12 to support you in doing that. Right. It's just slowly eroding this or rather just creating the justification people to call for their own subjugation. And that's kind of the same point. Is it I don't, you know, why anybody can't see that next step,

Starting point is 00:56:26 especially since historically, this has always seemed to teeter, totter back and forth. I mean, this is where I kind of think, where I call to put, where I question is the point. We always come through, one of the elections. And people get their hopes up about things which are not, you know, they get false hopes.

Starting point is 00:56:44 And they don't want to let it go because it makes like unbearable if they have to give up their false hope. Yeah. And so you get a false hope that someone in the White House at the, I mean, here's the thing. That machinery is centralized and control. The reason that Salary has invested so much time and effort in working with the states is because there's still more latitude at the states and the states have lots of power under the Constitution. So, so, and that's why Israel just took 250 state legislators, you know, to Israel.

Starting point is 00:57:16 Now they're working in the states too. So, so there is something that can still be done. And, you know, part of getting people distracted by the uniparty at the federal level is you want to keep them on the couch and entertained and away from pushing back on the third rail. Right. Right. So here's the thing. If we want to have a revolution tomorrow, imagine by the end of the year, if we could get 50% of the people in the country using cash, you can't implement a digital control grid.

Starting point is 00:57:54 Let's say everybody in Tennessee in the states where you can do this, 45 states, goes back into their DMV and says, I don't want a real ID on my, on my, on my, let's. license, you know, either I don't travel internationally or I'll get a passport or I don't fly, I'll get a passport. And 50% using cash and not only using cash, but using that cash to buy fresh, nutritious food that makes them strong and vital and healthy. On the local farm. On the local farm and finding the local health practitioners that they can trust so they don't go to the hospital and get euthanized, you know, unexpectedly.

Starting point is 00:58:31 So there's a great deal we can do. And it's that if we see clearly this is the mega rich versus everyone else. You know, forget Donald Trump. If we made Ryan Christian, the president of the United States, you would find yourself in the Oval Office with basically guns pointed at your head that if you don't help the criminal syndicate, you'll be shot or your family will be shot, right? So that's not a solution. Right.

Starting point is 00:58:59 And it's not, you know, if you went into the Oval Office, tomorrow and you're hands who are tied i would still love you because you're great right but but but you can't you can't it doesn't matter how much i like ryan christian there's nothing he can do right yeah which is exactly why i think the point would be that we at least i would speak for myself i wouldn't end up in that position because we know that right so the point you're making is there's other ways to make a difference and and change things than going through the broken political system Well, but here's the thing. We control.

Starting point is 00:59:29 If we push back on the third rail, they can't implement the digital control grid. I agree. That's the little secret here. Don't get lost in the theater. We have the power to change this. 100%. But you have to get back. You got to get off the counts and you have to start using cash.

Starting point is 00:59:48 And you have to say, I'm going to make sure my family is healthy and my family as well. And you've got to do those things. You got to take responsibility to learn about food and learn about health and let go of the old system. I don't know if you remember the woman who was questioning me at the Crossing Creek Farm this weekend. So she described the fact that she'd been in the traditional model and then had discovered, you know, she had listened to Thaleri and all of us and discovered, oh, wait, I got to get out of this box and get into a healthy model. and she and her family changed their whole lives and look how beautiful and healthy they look. Right. And then I just love the message there, right?

Starting point is 01:00:33 I mean, you know, everybody out there doing this as well, you know, it's like you don't realize how many people's lives you change just by acting with integrity and giving people information to follow up on, you know, so that's save a person's life. You know, it's powerful. But, you know, I think that that's the message really is that, you know, don't think that, like, and a lot of times we can have these conversations and people walk away going like, oh, we're doomed. And it's like the exact opposite message. You know, they're dangerous, but we can absolutely do something about this.

Starting point is 01:00:58 And I really do believe that. Walk out of the theater and start living. Exactly. Walk out of the theater. If you stay in the theater, we're doomed. If you walk out of the theater and start, you know, building the world we want to live in, we're fine. I agree. I agree.

Starting point is 01:01:14 Well, I'll leave it there since I'm sure we have not much time left. And I'll let you, anything else you want to shout out before we go. I'll have one more, a lot of things saying. and then we can wrap up today. No, just, you know, I have to tell you, it was great seeing you because you look great. So you've been spending a lot of time out there with the squash and the watermel, and it's been really good for you. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:01:34 I really, I mean, it's amazing how, like, I've garden my whole life, but like the last couple years, it really has, you know, I've gone real far with it. And it's, you know, it's not like, it's not over the top to say it's changed my life, you know, in very positive ways. And so it's, I just can't say enough people to get out there and put your feet in the grass, stand outside and you'll quickly realize the world may not be as crazy as you might think it is every day on social media, you know, but I'll leave just with a couple examples to overlapping this with, you know, interesting. And there's so many of these from video to Intel to Trump screaming

Starting point is 01:02:05 at Fox News to get on board or get off, like to show you that there's a lot more that's, you know, capitalist is very much not we're looking at here. And I think that the point is that there's more, that, you know, we're dealing with a government, a uniparty that absolutely is using this ping pong back and forth to keep us distracted while this is finishing. And, We both obviously agree here that this is not something that we can sit back and allow, that we can absolutely change this with our actions, with our words, with our integrity, with our principles. So thank you, Catherine, as always for informants.

Starting point is 01:02:31 Thank you, Ryan. You have a great day. You too, and I'll see you next time. As always, everybody out there, question everything. Come to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant.

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