The Last American Vagabond - Charlie Robinson Interview - Trump Says US Will "Take Over Gaza" & The Future Of Independent Media

Starting point is 00:00:01 Well, it's a funny thing in this business. It seems that every day it's easy to go, man, it just keeps getting crazier. Every day more news comes and every day the cycle gets more full and every day. And it just becomes this kind of like constant statement where you say it's just a lot of news to talk about today. But what's interesting is that it does genuinely feel like things are becoming more intense. The fever pitch is rising. The information cycle is getting ridiculous even if it was, I mean, how it could get more

Starting point is 00:00:48 ridiculous is beyond me. But I decided to invite Charlie Robinson on to have a conversation. conversation about the independent media and some new moves that he's made around that, but also just to catch up with him and discuss how wild things are today. And I'm sure you guys are paying attention with some of the recent moves that are going on in foreign policy that we'll talk about, but we'll see where the conversation takes us. So Charlie, thanks for joining me, brother. It's good to see you. Thanks for having me. Yeah, there's a lot to discuss these days. And I agree with you. It seems like, you know, I remember years where there wasn't really much going on. It felt like

Starting point is 00:01:19 there wasn't a huge story. And now it's, it's every other day. There's something crazier than, than the last time around. And it feels a bit destabilizing, almost overwhelming. So I think it's probably incumbent on us to stay measured and remain calm and take in all the information to the extent that we can and see where things go. But I agree with you. It feels like the intensity level has been ramped up. Yeah. I mean, so do you think that, I mean, I think it's always, we could probably both argue that it's always some level of deliberate action, but just on that first idea, do you sense this is something that's sort of just like a, you know, evolving kind of chaos because everyone's, or do you feel this is deliberately being ramped up or something? We can get into that too in the discussion,

Starting point is 00:02:06 but. Well, there's, there's bound to be chaos when you have a changeover in administrations, especially when you go from one like the Biden's, you know, who they were, you know, who knows, really who was in charge of that and we're started just starting to get a handle on some of the criminality that was going on behind the scenes and then Trump coming in and Trump's always a bull in the china shop so you should expect the unexpected with him as well and when you take the two of them I think the contrast is so so stark because there were there were times when you just looked at the administration of Biden Harris and you thought are they doing anything I mean what are they doing? I know they're trying to destroy the soul of the country by, you know, turning

Starting point is 00:02:52 everybody into drag queens and incentivizing some bizarre behavior. But besides that, what are they doing? It felt like for the last six months or so, they were just running out the clock trying to maybe get out of there. And then when Trump comes in, he's like, you know, it kind of reminded me of when Obama came in. When Obama came in, it was like the reports were on day one that his team, as soon as he, took his hand off the Quran or whatever he swore allegiance to. His team was sprinting into the White House to get things going and start that process. And I felt that again, obviously, I think everybody did with the Trump administration. Now, like them or hate them or, you know, have problems with us what they're doing. It's undeniable that they're doing something. And it feels like they're

Starting point is 00:03:40 sprinting into this. And I think for some segment of the population, they're okay with that because at least they feel like something's getting done. Now, once you peel it back, there's, there's problems with a lot of the things that are getting done. But there's, it's undeniable that there's a lot of action taking place. And I think people were sort of waiting for someone to come in and actually do something. It's like, you're the president of the United States.

Starting point is 00:04:01 Aren't you supposed to be issuing orders and, and getting in front of the camera and telling everybody what, what's going on? I mean, Joe Biden was afraid of the camera. From before he's right, you know, while he was running, he campaigned. campaigned in his basement. And then when he became president, everybody was, you know, he was bubble wrapped and everyone was scared to put him in on that stage for fear that he'd, couldn't get off of it,

Starting point is 00:04:26 or he'd fall down or, you know, he'd say something ridiculous or he'd talk about ice cream. And so there was that very uncomfortable feeling like, okay, the less in front of the public, the better with this guy. And with Trump, he's just, he's out in the public. He's going, he's being Trump. Yeah, exactly. So I think that in some regards, people are probably viewing that as a positive, that at least things are getting done. And you start to see like, hey, he's, you know, he's, he's doing something to USAID. Okay, good. Where is national endowment for democracy next? Please take them down as well, right? Or what is it? And then you peel back and you go, well, is he destroying them or is he putting them under the State Department so that he has control over them now. I mean, what exactly is happening? So I think, I think that for depending on where you are and your understanding of how this government actually works, I think that dictates sort of how you're feeling about the first couple of weeks, but it's undeniable that there's been enthusiasm injected into it. If for no other reason in the for the business side of things, you know, if you're a, you know, you're somebody who's,

Starting point is 00:05:34 or let's just say you're a, you're a small to medium sized business. You have to extrapolate out and make plans a couple years out and figure, am I going to hire? I'm going to invest in this. Am I going to take on? Am I going to start an, am I going to do a new, a new office somewhere? Am I going to expand? Am I going to contract? With the Biden administration, everybody felt tense. Nobody really knew what would happen. I can't really plan for the future, because they may send OSHA in here to mandate some new crazy law. And now I've got to reconfigure my entire restaurant. And I've got to build an indoor version outside with tents. and I've got to spend all the money on that.

Starting point is 00:06:14 I've got to make the outside look like the inside because the inside's covered with COVID and we're all going to die. So I made the inside actually outside. And, oh, God, you know, so if you're somebody who's running a business, just knowing that the next couple of years, there's at least a little bit more clarity on regulations and where things are going. Or lack there of. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:06:37 Or lack there of. Right. So you can, you can plan accordingly. And I think from a business standpoint, that community is seeing this as a positive. Yeah. You know, I'm really broad. I like the way laid all that out right. There's a lot to get into.

Starting point is 00:06:52 And I think what's interesting, though. And you tell me what you think about this because I can't stop seeing this everywhere. And I'm, of course, trying to like, you know, check, make sure I'm not just trying to, you know, it's, I think this is very transparent that there's ways that they're, you know, setting us up to face, like using things we want to believe in order to usher in something worse, kind of a dynamic, right? But what's interesting, though, is like the action part, right? I mean, this is what I mean. This doesn't have to mean this was deliberate. It could just be the way it actually just worked out. But if you look at the way these things function, you know, you got Biden who, again, at the time even, before even trial, it's kind of like, this guy is, it's ridiculous.

Starting point is 00:07:25 Like, clearly he's, you know, the whole weekend at Bernie's joke. It was like, that was before even was elected, you know, it's like, it's clear that we all see this. And so you put this person in there that's just inept. And then like you say, now I think we can all stand, we can look at things and whether it's good or bad, action does not. mean positive. It just means action. It could be bad. But in Biden's situation, you're right. It seemed to be like a very, you didn't see a lot. That doesn't mean there wasn't stuff happening, but I agree with your basic sentiment that that was ultimately, you know, what was really happening. But is that because ultimately this was the way this was supposed to play, right?

Starting point is 00:07:55 To where now we get the Trump rushing in with executive orders instead of actually doing what we would expect, claiming all, you know, criticizing executive orders and everybody else than coming into this, this, you know, just rough shot right over everything, you know. And so, But that's my thing is that if that happened after somebody else that was more measured, that even Republicans might go, whoa, whoa, whoa, you know, but now it's like, well, good, that's the contrast. And so it's like rationalizing the thing we would otherwise go, wait a minute, shouldn't we do this the right way, you know? And the same thing is that I would argue, rather than the same thing, but to your other point, I would argue that in the context of businesses,

Starting point is 00:08:27 I see a mixed bag, actually. I get what you're saying. And I think that my opinion is that's coming from the opinion that Trump is going to do right, whatever they see him doing. I get the sense of a lot of people that even Republicans are going like, whoa, what is it happening right now? Way more than with Biden in a different way, like, because there's a lot of rugs being pulled and things shifting and companies and agencies. You know, the point is right now, I don't think you can plan at all with what's happening. Even if you think what he's doing is in good interests, you know what I'm saying? Like, there's a lot of shifting ground right now. I'm talking about if you, I'm not saying if you work in some capacity where you interact with the government so much.

Starting point is 00:09:01 I'm talking about if you're, if you're a businessman who owns a lumber store in Des Moines. in Des Moines, Iowa, you know, you're just feeling like, okay, I feel like a little bit of sanity has been injected back into this. I don't worry that he's going to come in and, and weaponize these departments to make me have to reimagine my entire business. This is about the woke politics overlap, right? Which I think is another huge element of this, is that ultimately, we have been set up to think that woke politics is the end all be all of the new ward order or the, which is just, I think, a very minor aspect of a means to an end to what they're really trying to accomplish.

Starting point is 00:09:36 And so if it's only about like Horan Allen's and whatever else we're talking about from that kind of Biden Democrat perspective of what they're trying to do, which I tend to think is just our government from a different flavor, that ultimately that makes it easy for them to think that whatever now is happening, it's better because that's not there. Except I keep seeing a lot of very, a lot of uncertain people because of even Trump supporters. They're just like, they don't really know what this will end up being because they're, you know, Elon's talking about all regulations and all, which ultimately, in my opinion is if if government is still the way it is and you remove regulation,

Starting point is 00:10:06 that's not what we think it is, right? Government should be gone, in my opinion, and then that will be good. But if you have the government structure we have and they remove regulations, all that's going to mean is dumping stuff in your water, getting away with whatever they want. That's how I would read that, you know? And hopefully that's not the case of what's going on. But we always have to be careful to, to,

Starting point is 00:10:28 we're not getting, walking into a trap, right? It's like, oh, you wanted, we got rid of the weekend at Burr. Bernie's guy. Now we got a guy who actually gets things done. The question is, what is he going to get done? Exactly. He's really good. And of course, he'll do this to the enthusiastic support of his base. The people on the right will cheer this stuff. Whereas if it were, you know, if he had a Biden mask on, they'd be apoplectic about it. I mean, the executive orders and whatnot. I mean, like you said, there's a lot of reasons to be skeptical about these things. But let's focus on that point right there real quick, though. The idea of the executive order, like, the idea that if they, if there's a group

Starting point is 00:11:07 of people out there that would, would rage if it happened with a D and X of someone's name, but argue it's a positive thing with an R&X of the name, that to me is hypocrisy. Of course. Right. And I think that's important because I think that's literally everywhere in the conversation, which makes me very uncomfortable because as I hold up my book, hypocrisy. Go ahead. Sorry, go ahead. As I hold up my book hypocrisy. Right. Right. Right. Second edition is just out. I was just thinking, yeah, it's, it's hypocrisy. is like baked into the equation, right? I mean, it's when when one side does it, it's a problem. When the other side does it, it's somehow fine. And, and that's the, that's the problem of,

Starting point is 00:11:41 if you really want to get things done that are detrimental to the Republicans, get a Republican in there to sell it to the rest of the base, you know, you'll get him in there. And there won't be the sort of scrutiny, scrutiny that you would hope would, would happen from the general public towards any of these. If it, look, if it's an executive order, that's a, that, that means that it's just by decree. And that's a huge problem. I mean, I thought we've wanted to get away from governments being able to just decree this. The problem is that these people will rationalize that by saying, yeah, but it's a good thing that he's doing. Right. And it's like, it doesn't necessarily matter that it's a good thing that he's doing. It's the method in which he's doing it is inherently

Starting point is 00:12:24 bad. But this is interesting, though. This is interesting. And I see, it's funny. I love these kind of just planned shows like where we don't have, because I just, we go into a conversation. I want to talk about it. So active apportion versus this work, but we're already jumping right into it. But so this is really important, though. The idea that we can see the way,

Starting point is 00:12:41 I mean, I almost just lost the thread there. Hold on. So basically, just say what you just said again. Well, that when you're using executive orders, when your guy is using executive orders.

Starting point is 00:12:53 Oh, okay. I got it again. It's thunderous applause. When your, when your enemy is doing it, it's somehow, oh my God, this is a catastrophe.

Starting point is 00:13:00 But it's like, no, in actuality, that whole method of doing that is gross and has no part here. The only thing that it's getting support because the things that he's ordering are the things that really should have been in the first place and shouldn't have had to, you know, you shouldn't have to do this. And the fact that he's doing it is viewed as a positive. But it's like, you know, it'd be better if we could do it a different way. And then it would feel a little bit more organic and less dictatorish.

Starting point is 00:13:31 And of course, you know, you clap when he's when he's making moves to, to secure the border without understanding the bigger picture of, you know, once he secures the border, then we've got, we've got problems with, you know, how is he going to keep everybody from coming back? Is it biometrics? Is it, yeah, is he scanning eyeballs and things like that? So you feel like, be careful because we might be problem reaction solutioning ourselves into a much bigger play that the general public hasn't really thought of yet. I think that's the whole conversation, in my opinion, but I think the evidence is very clear

Starting point is 00:14:09 that, you know, the steps are going that direction. What I was going to say before is, and this is an interesting conversation because I'm very concerned with all of this. But if you stand back and take away all the partisanship from it, Biden, Trump, remove it all. And we're just looking at just like an apolitical dynamic that's even possible. You know, we all can acknowledge that the system is so just crazy broken, right? It's set up to fail.

Starting point is 00:14:28 So they basically rationalize the same problem every time, right? because i get it well democrats are going to not let him do whatever wants to do that's probably true right so ultimately the executive order becomes the necessity because they have to do that to get beyond the problem and it never really goes away it just kind of cycles around so but outside of the partisan side i think we all agree that there is a broken dynamic and let's just say somebody did actually want to do a good thing for a long-term positive change to get away from the situation you could argue why you understand that logic right because otherwise it's not going to happen and i so this is we've we've been set up in this moment for a very long time in my opinion

Starting point is 00:15:01 And so I'd like to believe, and I'm still hoping that Donald Trump and the rest of what they're doing will be what they believe it is. I think everything right now is showing the opposite, but I'm still hoping that. My point, though, is that it's so easy to see how that works to where he's going to come in and let's just take the USA point, right? Right, executive order, which, by the way, legally speaking, only applies executive branch. So I don't know why we think like these things make sense foreign policy wise and everything else, but it ultimately strikes that down. So people like us are like, F, yeah, that's a regime change front. We've been calling this out for a very long time, right? That's fantastic.

Starting point is 00:15:33 But then it ultimately becomes very quietly. Most of the base doesn't even talk, they talk about it. Online you're getting pushback saying, no, it's gone now, which you know rightly has just simply been absorbed in the State Department, which technically was already kind of what it was, to be honest. And so now you got Rubio saying now I'm taking control. And even though today we see them getting rid of, you know, all the employees and all these different moves, we just don't know what the outcome will be. And it seems to me that it only ends up being the same problem in a very more centralized way,

Starting point is 00:15:58 like with Elon, the Treasury, and all these different. moves. And so it's like, I would get why we would like to see somebody break it all and do it in a better way. But like you said, going about it in this unilateral way that doesn't, it's just corruption in a different flavor. You know what I mean? Like, but even if you do the right thing in the outcome. And so I guess we're all, it just is this very dangerous path we're on where people are cheering what I see as their own subjugation because they're tearing down parts of what we see, like the Fed for a private tether CBDC dynamic. You know what I mean? And so I'm just super on guard for that. And so, but I think that conversation is worth having, you know, what would

Starting point is 00:16:29 you do? If we were in a lot of it. a position where somebody really wanted positive change and they were never going to let it happen. It's like revolution or this action, you know, I also don't know. So it's difficult even for me, knowing my opinion is I don't trust this, but the logic is there, you know. I don't trust any of any of it either. And when they do something that on the surface seems like it's a benefit to us, you always have to keep keep your eye on the other hand that the magician has behind his back. You know, what is he really doing? Are you being set up for something else? And that is, I think, I think that comes with experience with, with doing this and watching how governments operate and seeing the tactics that they use,

Starting point is 00:17:05 you know, any good propaganda is about 90% truth, you know, I mean, so they're going to tell you the things that you want to hear and you're going to nod in agreement with it and it might all sound good and it might be exactly what you want, but it could be just that small little bit that you didn't, you didn't calculate. You know, great, USAID getting dismantled. That sounds amazing. That should have happened a while ago. but then you have to ask for it, where's the okie-doke here?

Starting point is 00:17:32 Is it, well, it's going to be moved in the State Department? Okay, so is it going away for real? Or is it getting a new boss? And if the new boss is Marco Rubio and Marco Rubio has the same sort of ideology as all these other lunatics, then what are we doing really? I mean, is it really getting changed? I mean, I like the idea. And certainly, it's good for the optics to see all these deep state scumbats.

Starting point is 00:17:58 scrambling to try and find out where their money is going. And you hear Hillary Clinton talking about this and Chuck Schumer is talking about an unelected coup and the audacity, you know, of all of this. And so all the right people are freaked out about this. And you go, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is great because you want to see those people feeling uncomfortable. But you always have to kind of look and wait and see how it gets played. Once the headlines, you know, it's out of the headlines and it's sort of, you know, we're in the process where we've now, the media cycles moved on to something else. Well, what is USAID doing,

Starting point is 00:18:34 let's say the second half of this year? Are they still, I mean, does it just shift away from Ukraine? And we're not going to be involved in the Ukraine situation anymore because that's terrible. Meanwhile, they're just setting up shopping Israel.

Starting point is 00:18:47 They're also funding Ukraine still. Trump just rerouted weapons from Israel to Poland is going to Ukraine. And Israel's continued to fund Ukraine anyway. And they fund Israel. So, you know, it's all a shell game. the end of the day. That's important, though, for people to hear, they don't know that, that the funding to Ukraine and weaponry has already continued. And so at the billion dollar

Starting point is 00:19:05 package that's about to go to Israel, you know, and so it's like these continuation of it. But I agree completely, you know. But what you said there is interesting, though, you know, and this is the same kind of question. So the Schumer's, for example, I mean, it's almost too perfect to watch this like weird back and forth between Elon and Schumer or like in Congress we just saw where they're like, Elon's framing it as, you know, the deep state Democrats are like it's only one half of the paradigm are, are free. freaked out and whining because we're, you know, exposing their crimes. And I'm just like, I mean, anyone that would actually step back and think that even USA or any of these is only

Starting point is 00:19:37 one part of the paradigm. I mean, that's fun. You could objectively prove that's not true, going right through Trump's last administration. So it's just so shallow and hollow, you know, but so my point would be that do, so Schumer is saying these things. And so have a lot of them, right? And what's interesting is I think Schumer is an obvious, obvious criminal, you should, just dishonest person, like all of them, my opinion, but definitely Schumer. But he's saying things that you go, well, outside of a few of the different partisan sides of what he's saying, it's technically accurate, right? I mean, what he's saying is very clearly. You go, that's interesting. Like, Catherine Austin Fitz made the same point. She's like, first time my life ever agreed with Chuck Schumer.

Starting point is 00:20:11 I saw that. Which is funny, right? And so my question is, do you think that Schumer is actually pushing back on this, which would highlight for me what Whitney highlights, you know, kind of the changing of the guard, like the old neocons, neoliberal, technocratic, they're kind of both want to control your lives and we'll work together for that end. but want to do it themselves. You know, like that kind of, that kind of fighting versus maybe it's all a show. I'm kind of leaning that way at this point, like the way it's all being shown, but what do you think? Well, at its core, it's all pro wrestling.

Starting point is 00:20:40 Yeah. In some levels. And, and, and, you know, how Hulk Hogan becomes the heel all of a sudden, right? Now we've got a new narrative. Now we've got brand new storylines. That'll keep us going for the next couple years. And now they're, now the Democrats are going to, you know, they're going to stand up and they're going to fight back against this. authoritarian regime of Donald Trump and everything. And you go, oh, you know, it feels like a show.

Starting point is 00:21:03 I think Chuck Schumer legitimately is upset about this. I think he's, I think there's a grift going on that has always been sort of underneath the surface, these guys that, you know, obviously we see the Nancy Pelosi's of the world come in, come in broke and leave with $100 million in their account. Now, whether that's insider trading or money in the Cayman Islands or a little of both, you know, or money that Zelensky's saying, well, you know, we're supposed to get $177 billion and we can only account for 70 something. You know, where's the rest of that money? Well, I'm sure we trust him at face value because that makes sense, right? Of course.

Starting point is 00:21:40 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, not like he didn't squirrel a bunch of it away as well. But it, but, you know, we know that there's a skim going on. And any time you go in there and disrupt what's been happening for the last couple of years, I can imagine, I can very easily envision a scenario. in which the Chuck Schumers of the world are legitimately angry because it is messing up their their their grift now maybe that money's getting rerouted to somebody else and now for the next four years that person is going to be benefiting from it and when the new administration comes in if it's Democrat and they make some changes then that person will be incensed about it because now

Starting point is 00:22:18 all of a sudden his grift has gone away but I mean I think the common denominator here is that if you if you put yourself in a position to be in Congress for multiple decades, you are a criminal on some level, whether we know it or haven't figured it out yet. But the job by design precludes good people from getting involved in actually fixing the system. And anytime, you know, somebody comes up, wants to, you know, wants to blow the whistle on any of this, they, you know, they fund his opposition. and next thing you know, he's out. Like, what's his name? Madison Cawthorn wants to talk about the part.

Starting point is 00:22:58 Stay for the, you know, for the nighttime parties, you know, the late night after parties and everything. Next thing you know, he's, he's gone, right? So if you play ball, meaning you're a criminal. And I think that that Washington, D.C., at its core, attracts the worst types of personality types in there. You know, if you've got a place that will give you everything, that a sociopath would want, maybe it's money, it's power, it's sex, it's access,

Starting point is 00:23:28 it's women, it's children, whatever it is that floats your boat. They're going to know where your control points are and they're going to give you exactly what they want, what you want, in order to get you in a situation where they own you. And after a while, you know, these people are all at the same parties. They're owned. You know, it reminds me of the part in Whitney's, in the first book of One Nation Under Blackmail where they're talking about the, um, the parties that Jay Edgar Hoover would go to at the plaza, uh, that were set up by Roy Cohn. And like, Hoover shows up in drag to everybody at the part, everybody in the party knows it's him, right? He shows up in drag. And in the, the thought process behind that is it's mutually assured

Starting point is 00:24:11 destruction. You know what I mean? I got the goods on you. You got the goods on me. What are we going to do? Let's party. You know, we're all part of this club. And, So understanding that, I think makes you think makes you kind of understand that sure, Chuck Schumer is still and has always been a criminal operating there. And part of what he's doing, I'm sure, is theater. But I also think that there's a, he's probably recognizing that one of his lines of resources has been shut off by a guy who, you know, had the ability to do it in Trump. And I think that that's, I think that some people that are watching at the casual, political observers that don't like the Democratic Party, probably see that and they go, oh, this is fantastic. Whatever makes Chuck Schumer angry is something that I will support,

Starting point is 00:24:58 regardless of whether it's unconstitutional or whether it's bad for the country eventually. As long as I see the guys that I hate get what they have come into them, the ends justify the means. And that, of course, is a huge problem. It is. And it's a partisan thing. It's left and right. And in my opinion, it's just pretty much anybody that's in, you know, there's a divide, but I would say more the team sport politics side of it, but it's largely a partisan thing to just, you know, it's rah, rah, my team, you know, and we just see it's more than ever today,

Starting point is 00:25:23 and it's frustrating. And I get why they want that. They've been driven into that position, but this is the problem. It's like the thing I was saying with the woke politics. You know, it's, you get these major influencers that make every little thing about as long as they call out the woke, the pronouns and the DEI,

Starting point is 00:25:36 that nothing else really matters or how they do it or in the other same kind of point. If it's just like even the way the crash the dynamic ended up kind of devolving into just, well, this Democrat connected. It's like, well, now that went from trans pilot to, well, that she worked for Biden, you know, it just gets crazy. And so the problem is that that is a hollow situation, you know, in my opinion anyway.

Starting point is 00:25:55 So as long as they're going after, as you said, the Democrats, that we just ignore it, you know, and so it's this kind of thing, you like that Zero Hedge, Sherrodges is, oh, you got to be kidding me. And all it really is is Chuck Schumer saying an elected shadow government. Now, aside from the word shadow government, which it's debatable, deep state shadow government, we all have our different opinions on these things. But an unelected entity is conducting a hostile takeover for government. I flatly agree with that, except I also think that involves with Zionism and technocracy. But did you say you don't?

Starting point is 00:26:22 Did you say, go ahead. No, no, I'm in agreement with it. I agree. I'd like to hear your thoughts on it. So what's interesting is that, you know, Alex Soros reposted what else that's what I was going to highlight. And that's what they're upset about. And then Catherine Austin Fitz says that's the problem. The last government was lawless.

Starting point is 00:26:36 So now it's cool for this government to be lawless. America's social media promoting the idea that lawlessness is cool. I'm talking about rampant lawlessness since George Galloway made a big point about that. fashionable, abrogating contracts is cool, genocide is cool, AI bots, teaching that killing people and taking over their land is the latest style and real men don't bother with law. I love the, she framed this just right.

Starting point is 00:26:56 And so all ends up being as well, you know, look, sorrows and show her and there, that's the thing. And so we know we're on the right side, no matter what we're doing. And it's just so constant. And we're being led down that path. And, you know, do your thoughts on that. And then let's overlap this with the obvious

Starting point is 00:27:09 that is how all of them support the Israeli dynamic, which undermines the entire point, I would argue. Of course, yeah. It's a choose your own adventure book, you know. If you would, if you'd had Kamala and she became the president, then you'd have more DEI. You'd have more wokeism. You'd have a trainee story time mandatory. You know, it'd be, it'd be more of that, the gender component, which is, which is disgusting and gross.

Starting point is 00:27:31 So, yeah. So Trump gets in. That whole segment goes away. Fantastic. But let's be very careful with what Trump represents. That's, I mean, do you want tranny story time or do you want technocracy? Because that's even more. diabolical when when they start to bring in um you know you look at the people surrounding him the

Starting point is 00:27:51 the silicon valley guys joe lonsdale and Elon musk and and peter teal and in this group out there that has the technological capacity to build the digital prison around you and in fact all they really need is the enthusiastic support of enough of a base to to push it and and we'll be begging for our own enslavement, unfortunately. So I'm glad, I mean, take the victory is where you can, right? I'm glad that the wokeism stuff is going away. It should have never been there. The ESG-D-I side of things is nonsensical. It was against any sort of logic. I mean, these guys are all running Fortune 500 companies that this goes against anything they learned in B-school because, you know, you're prioritizing the wrong things at the expense of the importance. So for that to go away,

Starting point is 00:28:43 great. And I'll take that as a victory. But I am not delusional. I fully recognize that we could be getting rid of one problem and enabling a second one, which is this concept of the push for CBDCs or the stable coin component of that, the ideas of, you know, we're going to get all of these unwanteds out of our country, we're going to throw them all out and to make sure that we're going to do that. We're building not just a wall, but a digital wall to keep them out. And yeah, it's just going to be for the, you know, for the illegals at first, that'll be the sales pitch, right? We're just going to scan their eyeballs and make sure that we've, we've got them in the database. And then eventually it'll be, well, you know, it works so well. Why don't we just make it so that

Starting point is 00:29:31 every time you fly in and out of an American airport, you've got to do that as well, you know, for your safety, of course. And we can't, we can't let the illegals get on airplanes now, right? So we have to do that, you know, because they're going to, so you can understand how they can walk you into this

Starting point is 00:29:45 in a way that will be done with, with the support of the public, which is gross. But if you're not understanding the bigger picture, if you're not able to see a couple steps ahead, you may be cheerleading your own enslavement. Yeah, I absolutely agree. I would also just add, though,

Starting point is 00:30:02 that I hope people can stand back and at least consider ask the question, is it not possible that wasn't sort of a evolution or a, you know, that this was a win and now this is something separate happening, even though we can all acknowledge that that distancing, which technically is not even completely gone, even in this country, by the way, but overall being pushed aside is a good thing. It's asked the question whether it's possible that it could have been designed that way in order to bring something so outlandishly stupid and so obviously inconsistent. Like even like I was pointing out, the W-Path, like leading hospital in the world on this conversation, months into this was going, they're being rash with treatment for kids. I mean, I was showing that right in the beginning, and it just went on forward. And so it's, it doesn't make sense. And so you wonder, why would that keep going? And now, I would argue it's at least possible that it's because now we're going to kick that aside and we get that feeling of winning and only it's a step at a means to an end, right? Because I think you've talked about, too, the idea of the transgender overlap with transhuman, transhumanism conversation.

Starting point is 00:30:59 For sure. Which is not an opinion. I mean, you can look at literature going back a while that where there was a clear overlap to that. I just think that's worth asking, you know? And so, yeah, overall, take a win where you can, but don't let that blind you to where, you know, using the wind, not just a next step, but them using the wind to roll in the next problem. I think that's kind of what we're dealing with right now. And I'm not for any pessimistic. I think the facts back that up, you know.

Starting point is 00:31:20 You have to be, you have to ask the question, were we allowed to win? Exactly. Exactly. And that doesn't, you know, it's a setup for a much bigger agenda that's going on that you whipsaw out of this into something more authoritarian. And so, fine, we got rid of the, the transgender. we've moved into transhumanism. Do you know the entomology of the transhumanism name? It's like, it's a rebranding of eugenics. That's what it is. And once you understand that, it's not, you know, a guy lost his arm in a farming accident. We've got a bionic arm for him. That's the sales pitch,

Starting point is 00:31:50 of course. But it, the, the transhumanism component is blending man with machine into something else, into something that is transhuman. Well, is it transhuman enough, you know, when you add enough MRI or enough neurolink chips to your brain or enough of this stuff, at what point

Starting point is 00:32:10 do you legally become no longer human? Right. If you're legally no longer human, does the Constitution apply to you? Do laws apply to you?

Starting point is 00:32:21 Are you now less than? Are you a, like a slave, a slave species now? Because you're, because you're not technically human like everybody else. I mean,

Starting point is 00:32:31 it's a dark road, of course. And, and nobody, wants to really dwell on it, but I think it's worth understanding what the longer term play is. And, and of course, we've been conditioned to make short-term decisions at the expense of long-term decisions based on fear, based on the government scaring the hell out of us. And we say, oh, you know, stop, daddy, whatever, just make it go away, make it stop right now in this moment. And in exchange,

Starting point is 00:33:01 well, it's going to cost you some rights and it's going to cost you more money and it's going to cost you things that you have to give away in order to ensure your safety. And of course, that is by design. And that freaks me out, of course. Absolutely. I mean, it kind of sounds similar to the way the U.S. government and others use their sanctioned dynamic, right, where you sanction the civilian population, which is always what it's about. And so they suffer to such at a great extent to where they're like, look, we know you're doing it, but we don't even care or just make a stop and we'll let you take over. You know, that's what it kind of comes down to. And here's a clip just showing you the overlap, which I'm sure everybody's aware of, but the clip in general is the one-stop,

Starting point is 00:33:33 kind of like every box check for the Great Reset and World Economic Forum dynamic, but just the transhumanism part from Elon Musk. An effort for man to merge with machine in a healthy way. Yes. To beat machines, you basically have to merge with machines. Most likely, yeah. Yeah, and I just think that's important to hear, you know, like this is, and that's not silent.

Starting point is 00:33:51 It's funny how he checks a lot of those boxes, like, very bombastically, and yet people kind of like give him a pass on the, like, he's like all about the, vehicles. And it's just so funny how people would tear apart another Republican for kind of similar conversations. But yeah, but I think it's important that we ask these. And even last point on it, do you think that whether, you know, even just a genuine win, like, you know, somebody genuinely does it. That's all they wanted to do and the accomplish it could still end up then being used by somebody else to roll in something bad. Like this, we always have to ask us question. That's, hey, that's question everything, right? That's what we're always talking about. Yeah, well, we don't

Starting point is 00:34:24 have the CBDCs. Yay, it's a win. We've got stable coins and stable coins. It's stable. It's stable. It's in their name. It's a stable, right? It's all stable. You don't have to worry about them. It's like, well, are they programmable? Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, but why would we, they're stable? Why would we program them to do anything? It's like, so, again, there's, there's all. These guys are, are, we'll say what we will about the, the deep state or the octopus or whatever. They know how we think. They understand how to manipulate public opinion. They understand how to get people, whether it's, this is coming from Tavistock or, you know, a long. long history of psychologically profiling people and understanding how public relations works and propaganda and all of this. And we're really at a severe disadvantage as the average person when it comes to understanding that the government knows you better than yourself and they know how you'll respond. And so in order to get you to take something like transhumanism seriously, they've got to have a pitchman who's way better. I mean,

Starting point is 00:35:29 you can't sell the concept of global communism by showing drab, Soviet-style buildings and breadlines, right? It's got to be like a glossy timeshare sales pitch. Like, oh, it's going to be fantastic and you're going to have, you're not even going to need to work.

Starting point is 00:35:42 I mean, AOC said it even if you don't want to work. She put it in a green new deal. You know, you'll have all, everything will be provided for you. Isn't this great? And it's like,

Starting point is 00:35:51 well, yeah, that sounds great. but what is it really going to be? And I think that once you understand that the government is very astute when it comes to manipulating the way you perceive things, we have to be very careful about these guys that are thrust upon us as saviors like Elon Musk. You have to ask questions about what he's real. I mean, if it, look, if he's just about making money, that's one thing. but it's never about that. Once you can buy anything that has a price tag on it, you start looking for things that aren't available for sale, like the education system, if you're a Rockefeller or Carnegie or something like that. So or, you know, the pharmaceutical industry. If you're, if you're the Rockefellers as well coming through there and say, well, let's create these new industries. So a guy like Elon Musk who has in concept all the money he'll ever need, you have to ask questions about what is he really trying to. And so he's. He's. He's. He's really trying to. He's,

Starting point is 00:36:49 to do it it appears to me that he's trying to buy things that don't have price tags on i agree and to your point about how well they know us i would argue just like you ended with that's because they run our social media platforms and spy on us for their surveillance and you know it's the AI infrastructure and all the people that i argue are presenting themselves at the saviors are the ones that are building this around you that's what i can't stop seeing but i hope i'm wrong with that but this is what you agree is that i agree yeah i hope i'm wrong too i mean i want to be optimistic i don't want to be of the new Pilled. Ryan, we can't be blackpilled. No, that's the new, that's the new derogatory term. That's the new term to get you to stop listening to people who are being honest about things. Right. If it sounds negative, it's like, oh, you're black, you know, Whitney obviously is taking the brunt of this. But yeah, you know, you're blackpilled and you're a doomer and you're the, this and that. Look, if I'm honestly and accurately extrapolating out what I see currently where it's going and I talk about it. and it has a negative tone to it,

Starting point is 00:37:52 it doesn't make me blackpilled. It makes me honest and realistic. And maybe by talking about it now, we're more aware of it and it makes it more difficult for it to happen in the future. Maybe it's the actual white pill of all. Like, let's have the conversation now, while before it's too late, right?

Starting point is 00:38:12 Exactly. Well, that's what's so frustrating. I mean, all I see in that is just yet another example of the co-opting of terms, right? Far back as you want to look, when like regime change used to be a conspiracy theory. Now it's like regime change for freedom. You know, it's like it's just crazy how these things evolve.

Starting point is 00:38:25 You know, I would argue that that's, I mean, you know this. I mean, Blackfield is about somebody that's going, we're doomed, we're screwed. I'm not going to do anything, right? That's what that means. When we're coming out and going, I see a big problem building here. I hope that's not what he's doing. I'm praying for the best. Here's alternatives.

Starting point is 00:38:37 It's like, how are you ever deem that blackfield? I mean, we know why. Because that's a problematic thing that we're highlighting for people that don't want that to be seen. That's why I would see that. But it or purity test, you know, this was pre-election. It was just like, just let us pick between lesser evils. Don't stop raining on our parade is what we got, you know. But so this is where I think the obvious part is to overlap.

Starting point is 00:38:57 And we'll end, I want to make sure we get into, especially the fact that you took over Act to's Post. I'm really happy about that. But again, and I may and some different things we'll talk about. I was going to start with it. But you know how I fly by the seat of my pants. But let's talk about the overlap of this conversation we were just having with the Israel dynamic. Because I don't know how anybody can engage with this honestly and not stand back and go, okay, well, at the very least, they're either blackmailed, compromised, or dishonest in regard to

Starting point is 00:39:23 this point in the conversation. I mean, that to me just seems like it's blatantly clear. I don't know if you've seen in the updates. I think we were talking about earlier, the ultimate point that now Trump is, I mean, he was sitting next to Netanyahu, next to a fire, as Netanyahu smiles with this disgusting grin as he literally outlines how Gaza's hell on Earth completely destroyed and how they're going to ethnically cleanse the entire area. So should I play it real quick or have you already seen it yeah play it yeah it's worth watching again it would be my hope that we could do something really nice really good where they wouldn't want to return why would they want to return the place has been hell it's been one of the meanest one of the meanest toughest

Starting point is 00:40:09 toughest places on earth and right now it's it's i've seen every picture from every angle better than if i were there and nobody can live there you can't live there So if we can build them through massive amounts of money supplied by other people, very rich nations, and they're willing to supply it. If we can build something for them in one of the countries, and it could be Jordan and it could be Egypt, it could be other countries, and you could build four or five or six areas. It doesn't have to be one area, but you take certain areas and you build really good quality housing, like a beautiful town, like something.

Starting point is 00:40:52 place where they can live and not die because gauze is a guarantee that they're going to end up dying the same thing's going to happen again it's happened over and over again and it's going to happen again as sure as you're standing there peter so uh i hope that we could do something where they wouldn't want to go back who would want to go back they've experienced nothing but death and destruction Hi. Give me your thoughts on that, brother. Because the guy next to you is doing the death and destruction. Oh my God. Why is this impossible for him to see? I think he can't see it. Right. I think he's, no, I think he sees it. I think he sees it. I think he see. I mean, look, I don't even know that you need to blackmail Trump. I think he's ideologically aligned with this. I don't think that the conversation is you better do this or else. I think he's looking at this as a real. state play. He's looking at the offshore oil and oil and gas fields. He's looking at building a new pipe, a new canal through there, the Greater Israel project. I mean, he's looking at this like a developer and he's seeing massive opportunities. Forgetting the human cost, the fact that you heard

Starting point is 00:42:03 that one reporter scream out, it's their home. You know, why do they have to leave? Yeah, why do they have to leave? Because this guy's magic book said something about, I mean, it's, it's preposterous and gross. a stain on humanity and embarrassment to the United States, but it's not surprising either. I mean, I knew that when Trump got in there, you know, every, every administration is completely compromised. Let's be honest here by Israel. And we know that. We know that they have minders that show up in Congress as soon as they get elected. And we understand this. This is nothing new. But Trump is such an enthusiastic supporter. And they have bent over backwards. you know, to make him in his first time around to Trump Heights and, you know, they're talking to

Starting point is 00:42:50 him about all of these opportunities there. You know, his son-in-law, Jared Kushner is a diabolical figure who needs to be, you know, taken down to the police station and interrogated for his role in crimes against humanity as well. I think all these people are dark, dark entities. I think Benjamin Netanyahu is one of the most disgusting human beings I've ever seen in my entire life. an embarrassment for the Jewish people who see him, you know, who have him as a leader. And again, to separate the Jewish people from the Jewish government, you know, from the Israeli government in the same way that I would hope

Starting point is 00:43:29 they would look at us and say, we understand that not all Americans are the American government. And they don't want the same things there. I mean, I think that there are people that, that see this for what it is as a genocide. And, and, and, and, and given that that's what's, happening right now, I'm not going to be silent about it. It's obvious to even those who don't have the eye to see it, what's going on. I mean, it's been, you know, maybe the intricacies of like, what really happened in October of 2023, was this allowed to happen? Who is Hamas? Who are they

Starting point is 00:44:03 financed by? You know, who brought them into existence? What is, you know, you've got Bibi saying, you know, we need Hamas. You got to finance Amas. I mean, we have to have that. Funny, you know, a lot of people don't ever see that part of it. So, so controlled opposition is a real thing. This isn't accidental. What happened on October 7th wasn't wasn't some catastrophic lapse in security. It was 9-11 all over again. It was the same excuse. The same excuse. You know, mistakes were made. We were asleep at the wheel. Those, those diabolical Arabs, those 19 Arab hijackers with box cutters, they caught us off guard. They They, you know, we flew planes around in circles trying to find and we just couldn't figure it out until it was too late. Yeah, yeah. I've heard that, you know, I know what really happened with 9-11. And when you see October 7th, it's the same thing all over again, just chapter two. And for those with the eyes to see it, it's very obvious. For those who can't understand or refuse to understand the game, they're living in a parallel universe as far as I'm concerned. I mean, to look at this and say they had it coming to them. I can't understand that line of thinking.

Starting point is 00:45:16 I have to be of the mind, my sanity, that there's just no way that that's the majority of people, even remotely on the planet that would look at what's happening, even if they disagree politically and go, that's what they get. Like, that is a Zionist overwhelming agenda through our propaganda networks, which clearly are powerful. I think on reverse of it,

Starting point is 00:45:33 I think the vast, vast, vast majority of individual people in the world are sick about what's happening. I think so, too. The problem is, of course, and we all know this, is that the media amplifies whatever opinion they want to be perceived as being the overriding, you know, a feeling of the nation or of the region. But when you talk to actual people who, you know, nobody wants this. Nobody is pushing for this except for outside of a small, very bloodthirsty Zionist regime that has bigger, bigger aspirations than, than just coexisting with their neighbors. They have been very vocal.

Starting point is 00:46:17 It's not our opinion of it. It's there. They talk about it. It's not me. I don't have to speculate. I don't have to go into some meditative trance and write quatrains about what I think is going on. They write books about it. They talk openly about it.

Starting point is 00:46:31 This is the plan. They have a greater Israel patch on their uniform. Right. It's only hidden to the extent that people choose to not look for it. But once you open your eyes, You can see what's going on. It's a stain on humanity, frankly. I agree.

Starting point is 00:46:45 It's disgusting. And I would add, though, and this is an uncomfortable topic, even on top of this, but I would add that it's important to highlight that it seems pretty easily identifiable through polls and other public conversations that a majority of Israelis support the genocide. I think that's important to highlight. It's sad. I think the majority. Not everybody, of course, we'll be clear to make sure that not everybody is in support of this.

Starting point is 00:47:09 But yeah, really quickly, let me clarify the statement. That's really, then I'll let you say. What I was going to say is that I do, that's clearly improvable. But I would argue that what's important to consider is that what we see in the United States is the similar dynamic of people that support war, for example, because we've been so aggressively propagandized our entire lives. I'm not trying to give a big a pass because that's still horrifying, but it's important to think about that part of it. And there's also a pretty large fall grouping of people in Israel that don't support this, that, you know, Orthodox Jewish communities and so on. So please go ahead. I just want to make sure.

Starting point is 00:47:36 They've been, they've been vocal about that. And we of course need to make sure that we differentiate between the Zionist regime and, let's just say, Jews in general. A lot of them are opposed to this and see no benefit to it. And they want to live their lives and they don't have an interest in dominating their neighbors. But of course, unfortunately, those in a position of power do and they make it happen. And then through their control of the media messaging and their control of the politicians, they facilitate this. And next thing you know, I mean,

Starting point is 00:48:11 America is supporting it. Now, I have a problem with that. If I go out and travel internationally as an American, I have to, I hope that people don't make the assumption that because I'm an American in their country, that I somehow sign off on all the crazy things that our government is doing.

Starting point is 00:48:28 Obviously, I'm hosting an emceeing, the largest anarchist conference in the world. So probably people don't think that unless they don't know me. But still, I wouldn't want people to make any assumptions that I'm in favor of this simply because I happen to have been born in America. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:48:45 Same point should be applied for Israelis or Jewish people in general or any other conversation we're having. That's always the way to look at that. Let me play this real quick based on what we just saw just because somebody clipped out just him. And I mean, I saw this while I was watching it too, but just seeing it cut out on its own. I mean, it's so transparent. Trump is talking about the suffering of people in Gaza.

Starting point is 00:49:05 There's no way around that. And this is what Netanyahu was doing the entire time. They want to return. The place has been hell. It's been one of the meanest, one of the meanest, toughest places on earth. And right now, it's, it's, I've seen every picture from every angle better than if I were there. And nobody can live there. You can't live there.

Starting point is 00:49:27 So if we can build. It's like the cat that got the canary. You know what I mean? Like look at this guy's face. Look at that. He's so, I mean, I don't know. And I'm sure somebody would see it right now. We'd see it and think differently.

Starting point is 00:49:39 That's a personal opinion. But my God. It reminds me of Whitney talking about Wexner saying that he has a demon inside of him. He looked demonic there. He does. It takes glee in this. There's a manifestation of evil in that guy. And then the pulling out that putting the chair, you know,

Starting point is 00:50:00 Trump pulls out his chair, put his chair back and boy, I mean, are you guys on a date? I mean, is this Valentine's Day? What's going on here? This is, it's gross and transparent for people that are watching this. I think that that, you know, Trump had had a lot of enthusiasm. And I think a lot of people in the general public were, we're supporting some of the changes that he was making quickly. And you would see. And then as soon as this happened yesterday, it's like, hey, I was, you know, like people were saying, I was on board with a lot of the stuff he's been doing.

Starting point is 00:50:32 But boy, this is really disgusting. And I can't support this at all. I it's a mask off moment I think for for a lot of people to see that to hear him talk to hear Trump talking about what what he wants to do to them and justifying it as if it's somehow like well we're just you know like you know your your house and Pacific palisades burned down like well we'll we'll relocate you to Westlake village no problem like no no no no the point is I want to be where I was I want to be where my home was I want to be there because it's always been my home. home. I want to be there for, I want to be with my people. You have no right to do this. This wasn't some natural disaster that just happened to hit the Palestinian people. This was done intentionally by design. And then, yeah, in the aftermath, oh, this place is a, is a total dump. It's rubble. Yeah, you guys did it. You got, you made sure that that, that, that it was that way. Of course, it's, it's hard to go, want to go back there. After you've destroyed it. That was the point. You rightly called this out from the

Starting point is 00:51:32 beginning and people called you, you know, I don't know, they probably thought that you had an extra grind against Israel for rightly saying, this is where, this is how it's going to play out. This is what they want. They're going to destroy it. And they're going to, they'd rather beg for forgiveness than ask for permission. And when you're Israel, you don't, you do neither, actually. Yeah, yeah. And on Trump and the way he engaged with it, you know, I mean, like, that's why I said right,

Starting point is 00:51:57 when we first looked at it, you know, it's certainly possible. And the reason, the only reason I say this, it's always possible. anything's possible, but the reason I even say it is because I think that the way he responds, it's possible that maybe he just somehow doesn't understand that like the history part of it, right? How that's possible? I have no idea. But, you know, the way he does, I mean, how do you, or he's just, that Netanyahu was like, say exactly this because this makes, I mean, because think about what he's saying that these people are in hell, like it's always been bad. It's like, how do you not understand the context, even slightly of what you're saying right there,

Starting point is 00:52:29 you know? And I think it's because you get into this bigger part of the conversation. conversation that as Glenn points out. And it's funny to me how Glenn Greenwald saying this, who by the way, I believe he's Jewish, isn't he not like us even the most relevant? He's Jewish and he was a Democrat. Right. And saying, I'll just read it, Gaza's now rubble because of the size sociopath city next to Trump, grinning, knowing he owns the U.S. Think about saying that a decade ago, a few years ago. The point is you would have been immediately cast out of society, you know, and this is, this is the reality. This is not about Jewish people. This is about a government influencing, if not occupying and controlling another government.

Starting point is 00:53:07 And I mean, I got called a white supremacist for simply pointing that occupation point out, like kind of right after the COVID-19 idea. I just think that's wild to think that Glenn, you know, are you of the mind that this is public knowledge at this point for most people? I guess it depends on their level of understanding or how how busy they are in their daily lives. I think a certain segment of the population gets their news and sound bites and headlines and they don't dig too deep. and maybe they feel like, well, what do I need to know? I don't need to, I need to get my kids to soccer practice. I don't need to know about this. What am I going to do? What am I? But I think that anybody who's actually paying attention, I think, yeah, they see this. You can see it on,

Starting point is 00:53:44 and I know social media is not the best mirror, but you can see that like you mentioned, there are topics that are now allowable to be discussed that wouldn't have been a decade ago. And so that's, that's not because everybody woke up and became anti-Semitic all of a sudden. It's because the behavior of the people in that country has been disgusting and people are rightly calling them out. And it's kind of like back in the COVID era where everyone had to wear masks and you'd go into the grocery store without your mask on. You'd just walk in like there wasn't a care in the world. And somebody else in the produce section with their mask on would see you.

Starting point is 00:54:24 And they'd go, oh, yeah, and they'd pull theirs down a little bit. And they'd be emboldened to sort of say, yeah, you're right. This is kind of crazy. why am I doing this? And I think that there's been enough people that have been blowing the whistle and sounding the alarm on the many crimes of Israel that at some point people go, yeah, you know what, you're right. This is a huge problem. I mean, they feel a little bit more comfortable talking about it.

Starting point is 00:54:43 Now, we take the most heat about any of these topics, be it COVID, vaccines, Israel, whatever, because we're speaking about it in the moment when it matters the most. Whereas the mainstream alternative media parachutes in three years later, and then they want to have the discussion about that. vaccines. It's like, I'm glad you're talking about it, but where were you in 2021 when we needed you, right? When it really mattered when people were being throttled and shadow banned and thrown off of social media for having opinions that were correct, but were just early. So when you're early, you look crazy. But that's okay with me. I don't really mind. Right. Well, what's funny is what you outline right there is exactly what I'm now seeing on like a presidential or just like

Starting point is 00:55:23 a government level, like where the idea being, you know, like it's hard. Like when you say that, I'm like, maybe I don't think I am glad they're talking about it. It's like, okay, if we know they're only beginning to talk about it insofar that they get you into another manipulation, which is what ultimately seems to be is like, is that positive that they see it? If it's only trapping them in some of another ideological game, you know, it's hard that it's a debate because it is good that it's being talked about. But like my point is everywhere I look today, I'm seeing that kind of set up for failure, you know? And so as always, just be on guard to that. But what's incredible, by the way, in an extension of this one media,

Starting point is 00:55:57 they had. I don't know if you even following the pager thing or like the Batar USA group, the Zionist organization that's literally threatening American students with pagers. They're going around. They're doxing people. They're trying to get people who are wearing Kifah's deported, calling ICE, like using what Trump just did, like trying to get Americans deported. Netanyahu gives Trump a golden pager in reference to Mossad, op on Hezbollah. You know, one of the most obvious terrorist acts I've ever seen in my life. He gives him a golden pager. Let's not forget. This guy is literally supposed to be arrested on site because he's a criminal according to the ICC or but you know anyway I just wanted your thoughts on

Starting point is 00:56:31 that I think that's a threat or how do you read that well Monacham Began was stressed that he was the godfather of international terrorism. Proudly corrected somebody when they when they tried to say that he was you know just sort of involved no no no no no I invented this so it's a terrorist state it's a terrorist ideology I'm not surprised it's gross and and and and disgusting on its face, of course. But am I surprised? No, no. The golden pager, I'm sure Trump will put it on his mantle.

Starting point is 00:57:06 I guess what I'm getting at, though, is that, you know, look, there's a lot of conversation about when we kind of just touched on it, about whether, you know, I, even though I do agree Trump is like ideologically in support of this, that he gets a lot of, like some of the people in Israel, even in the Knesset believe he's a prophet. They've said that publicly. It's alarming. And so I think he gets a lot from that. But I still just can't wrap my mind around how belligerent.

Starting point is 00:57:26 this is and knowing this half is based on support it. And so I just wonder whether there is more, like, is this a subtle thing? Like, keep in line. You know what I mean? Like, it's a personal opinion, but it's worth floating out there. I thought that was interesting. It may be. But again, I don't know how much they need to keep him in line. I think he's in line of his own accord. And I think that he's opportunities here. That being said, if he were to ever get out of line, I'm sure they could manage to to put him back. But the idea that it's just a subtle reminder. You know,

Starting point is 00:58:03 our pageers today. It's something else tomorrow, you know. Yeah. And the fact that they were bragging about that and not, not distancing themselves from that and saying, well, we didn't do that. I mean, the Mossad came out and said,

Starting point is 00:58:20 yeah, we did it. We've been planning it for a long time. I'm like, keep that in mind. Actually, when I see something like that, I'll tell you where my mind goes to. When they're bragging and taking responsibility and sort of playing up this, I actually see that as a sense of weakness. I do too. I absolutely do.

Starting point is 00:58:36 Maybe they're projecting out how diabolical and infiltrated everybody, you know, how they, how they are so far ahead of everybody else. And it might be a bluff. I mean, it's, it obviously wasn't a bluff that it, that the pagers. situation happen, but their strength might be a bit of a facade. It's a good point. I mean, even if there are actually strong or actually that good at what they're talking about, I still, I mean, I think this is kind of a general psychological thing that the person has to pound their chest and say, I'm big and tough is usually insecure at the

Starting point is 00:59:09 very least, possibly not that tough at all. Like that's, that's a good. And I think I got the same sense that a lot of this is them constantly going like, you know, or even the propaganda, instead of just going, we didn't do it. And that's a lie. They have to make it some ridiculous over the top line that makes you go, well, that's obviously not true. Like, why would they go that far? I think it's insecurity. I'll include this show we did about that main point, which overlaps with, in light of the pager attack, how much Israel has infiltrated American tech. And let's not forget, it was mostly women and children that were killed and injured

Starting point is 00:59:38 by that attack, which is wild to me. But let's, oh, and I just want to include her tweet about build back better and Gaza, which she called, by the way. Ephra Fingston was like, this is about build back better. No, I don't see Republicans talking about land grabs and great reset with this conversation. but I also want to play this clip about the prop, the atrocity propaganda where they mentioned the idea of burned babies alive. This is where I'm getting, like, does Trump really not know that this has been shown to be false?

Starting point is 01:00:02 I mean, Biden got exposed and looked very stupid for making these claims. And now here's Trump doing it too. How do you know, how do you read this by as anything other than Israel showing the control they have over our government? It's interesting, isn't it? Yeah, very much so. This one here. The Israelis have stood strong and united in the face of an enemy. that is kidnapped, tortured, raped, and slaughtered,

Starting point is 01:00:25 innocent men, women, children, and even little babies. On that infamous day, Hamas monsters savagely murdered 1,200 innocent people, including more than 40 Americans. They beheaded men, they raped women, they burnt babies alive, and they took 251 people hostage. So for those that don't know, almost every single thing they said has been literally proven to be false by Herets, by Israeli media, by even U.S. media. Even the number 1,200, is technically not accurate taking the full amount. And then we can realize that almost half,

Starting point is 01:01:06 if not a lot more, based on a lot of reports, were killed by Israel themselves. These are public reports. Go ahead. What are your comments? Oh, I mean, I would love for somebody in the audience to raise their hand and ask the question, could you explain the Hannibal directive, please? Right, right. Or name the babies that were, oh, you mean, the point is that this is, these are false. It's the, the burn, they beheadings, even the rape conversation. I mean, as I as a few, you cover as well. And as I always say, damn them for making us have to stand up and go, I don't believe that's true. Like, I look at the facts, you know, it's a horrifying thing to have to do.

Starting point is 01:01:36 There's no line in the sand they won't cross, though, either. I mean, they want to make you be on the defensive and you have to stand up and say, I believe that your story is a lie. I believe that you would and are currently standing in front of that microphone and lying about babies being burned alive because that's who you, that's, you know, that's the type of person that you are. You would lie about something as serious as that. Now, to be clear, if there were babies being burned alive, that would be horrible. Of course, but they know that that would be horrible. And that's the reason why it's the story. The story is always horrible. And then later, it's, you know, there's, well, you know, corrections are made. I always find it interesting that Heretz is, is one to fact check this too. I mean, you would, my assumption would be, I mean, I know how controlled the American media is. And I was assumed that the Israeli media would be just as controlled.

Starting point is 01:02:33 So when they come out and go, look, we got problems with the Palestinians, but they didn't do any of this stuff. Like, these are lies. That to me is, I think that's progress, unfortunately. It's not going to help the Palestinians now. But the tone around the world has definitely changed. Of course, in the UN and the ICC, you know, you see who really runs it. You know, all it takes is for the U.S. and Israel to vote against something and then it doesn't wind up happening. But the rest of the world appears to be well aware of what's happening.

Starting point is 01:03:08 And of course, in the Middle East, they've been dealing with this group for a long, long time. They know exactly what they're capable of. They know that there's no line in the sand that the Israelis won't cross and then cross again. And I think that the world appears to be waking up my fear is that it might be too little too late. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I would argue as always never a reason to stop. Right. But I think people like us, even if we knew we were never going to succeed, we would just, it's in us to fight anyway.

Starting point is 01:03:37 I think that's who we are. But I agree. And it's just, I think that's why this is being so rapidly done. because, well, I mean, I would say the fact that this is being so rushed, like we even felt during COVID-19 gives me the feeling that there is still a possible possibility for us to make something different happen. But I would agree, it's, you know, it's hard to not see that with how belligerent this all is, and especially with the point of where, you know, which I'm sure you also saw, where now Trump is literally saying that we're going to take over Gaza, like occupy Gaza.

Starting point is 01:04:06 You know, this is, you know, he used to at least give you like a week, a month in between the evolution of how ridiculous these things shift. But it's like day to day to day. It's like the thing you just said would never happen is now rationalized on day three. It's, it's ludicrous to me. But do you, any thoughts on this or just in general, it's the same kind of point? You know, I mean, this is step further. It's a tactic too. Like, we just, it's the art of the deal. You'll go so far over. We'll say, we'll take, you know, the US will take over Gaza. And then the, the, the general public's responses, that sounds crazy and insane. Okay, fine, fine, fine. We won't do that. We'll only finance the rebuilding.

Starting point is 01:04:41 You think that's a good point. So you don't think it'll actually materialize to U.S. government on the ground? Anything is happening, by the way. Anything's possible. With regard to this, with Trump administration and the influence of Israel, I would say that normally I would say probably not, but unfortunately with regard to Israel, I think there might, you know, I think anything's possible. Because everybody appears to be controlled.

Starting point is 01:05:06 Yeah, yeah. But it's an excellent point. I mean, we should always consider this because that's almost always how it goes. right, where you get the problem reaction solution style where it's like the overreaction. We go, no, not that crazy thing. And they go, okay, don't worry. We've got the thing we've always wanted. And they go, oh, thank God.

Starting point is 01:05:19 You know, it's like the thing that they wanted from the beginning. And so actually when you say that, it could really realistically be, oh, okay, fine. We heard you. We listened to you. We're government. We won't do it, but we'll just finance Israel taking over Gaza, which has always been the point from the beginning anyway. But something tells me, like you were kind of hinting at, though, that there is something

Starting point is 01:05:36 different happening now, you know, and that this is not just about the extension or rather, you know, Israel taking what it wants. It's about the continuation of this. I mean, this is the global, the globalist new world order dynamic, technocracy. I think that's all of this. And now they're, I mean, talking about North American Union, Greenland, Mexico, all dressed, Israel is occupying Syria, Lebanon, all. I mean, and they're expanding, as you just said,

Starting point is 01:05:58 greater reset or greater Israel. It's all very clear that this is happening. You know, and so to me, that's what that seems to highlight that they're moving into this point. You know, we're moving into the seventh country in five years. You know what I mean? Exactly. Iran and Rooka Rubio.

Starting point is 01:06:12 It's right there. We're crossing all these off the list. And we knew this too when he was when he was floating Rubio as a secretary of state. We know, oh, God, you know, this is going to be like. Which they said was a troll. You're being left. That'll never happen. And then now they all cheer for it.

Starting point is 01:06:27 Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be a blank check for Israel. They're going to be able to do whatever they want to do. Yeah. Yeah. This is this is part of there's a lot going on right now. And, and I, I fear.

Starting point is 01:06:39 a much larger escalation too, of course, because you know they've got, it's like they're not going to stop with this, right? Well, we've got rid of the Palestinians. Who's next? Let's expand out. When do we fight Iran? When do we, when do we can, when does Israel convince the United States that's in their best interest to go to war with Iran, who's done by all accounts nothing to us?

Starting point is 01:07:05 He's got four years. Yeah. I fear that. I think it's going to happen way faster than that, unfortunately. I hope I'm wrong. But one more point on this. Let's talk about what I see the future of independent media, which I see is very positive right now, quite frankly, despite all the craziness going on.

Starting point is 01:07:21 That interesting, you're getting a lot of this kind of Q side of the conversation where Trump just opened the door to parking U.S. military and Israel's front lawn during our long-term up to defang Israel, because that's the whole save them for last Q idea, you know, and made them thank him for doing it on live TV by using their own mask to buy. locks them in, Massad just got freedom range, motion crippled. And, you know, basic idea being that this is the U.S. playing into the idea we're helping you, but really there to ultimately stop Israel for once and all, you know, after letting them commit a genocide for a year and two months,

Starting point is 01:07:51 you know, but that's sort of like letting them take the shot that kills them for the interest of whatever play. That means, I just, I can't take any of this kind of stuff seriously. But what I overlap it with is I very much think that Q and all that is just a CIA, whatever intelligence dynamic is that you have Trump coming out, like you might have seen, which by the way, you want to search for this on Twitter. It won't show up, which I find very telling. The CIA must get involved now before it's too late, Trump said in January 2nd of this year.

Starting point is 01:08:17 And you have Nick's order saying, breaking the CIA just offered the entire workforce to quit the exchange for eight months of pay. Wow. Vision for the blind says the CIA allegedly offering its entire workforce the option to quit for eight months. Pay sounds like a CIA sciop in itself. You really buy you? You know? And so I think it's all interconnected. You know, and I just wonder how easy it might be for them to just roll

Starting point is 01:08:38 us into the next move by holding on to what they hope is going to happen. You know, what do you think? The cue part is interesting too. I agree. It's just some intelligence agency doing this. But like any good propaganda, as we mentioned earlier, you've got to have some truth in there. So is it plausible that the United States could double cross somebody?

Starting point is 01:08:57 Oh, absolutely. That's our specialty. That's what they've been doing for a long, long time. So this idea, like, oh, the United States is secretly going to double. cross Israel when the timing is right once they're there. I mean maybe, but I'm not going to hold my breath on anything like that. It just sounds a little bit too much like, you know, when it when it was trust the plan, the part of that that, that I think was the most diabolical part was that you would get these people, you know, all in a tizzy about what's going on and these very major problems. And then the

Starting point is 01:09:38 the strategy was, okay, what we need you guys to do is go stand in the corner and wait, right? Trust the plan. The cavalry's coming. The white hats are coming. It's all going to be explained. But for this point, we need you to go do nothing. When anybody is telling you to go do nothing, that's a problem. So I have, I have, you know, we took a look at this stuff over the last years and we, we understand

Starting point is 01:10:05 that there's, there's intelligence. agencies at work here. There's a lot going on. You don't need to put on our tinfoil hats and speculate about Q. When you've got the Army Sciopps running commercials talking about, you know, that we're here everywhere. You know, we see what you know, we see what you do. We're there in the shadows and the ghosts in the machine and all of this stuff.

Starting point is 01:10:35 Like the sciops are. are commercials now. And at the end of them, to escape from mere generalizations, they put their web address at the end. You know what I mean? It wasn't meant to be any sort of of secrets. So I think everybody needs to have their head on straight and to be very suspicious about being told that, you know, about hearing these plans that line up perfectly with what you would want because it's very rare that we get what we would want. The idea that the administration is going to double cross Israel at the on. Sounds like fantasy, right? I mean, it sounds amazing, but the problem is it's it's almost like that's what you want to hear. They're telling you what you want to hear.

Starting point is 01:11:21 And it's disarming in that regard, especially if the instructions are just wait here and do nothing. We'll tell you when you when you guys all get activated and then we'll need you to help fight, you know, fight the good fight. But until that time, you know, sit still and be quiet, man. I get very suspicious when I hear things like that. Obviously, right, you should. I mean, I don't think anybody with the best intentions of actual change we're going to tell you to just hope that they end up doing the right.

Starting point is 01:11:46 Like, what if they fail? Shouldn't you at least be backup just in case? You know, it's like it's just a crazy idea to think we should do nothing. But I'm glad you point that out because disarming is a great way to think about that. It really truly is. Like because you are, as always like with COVID-19, the obvious point for me was that the group, constitutionalists militia, you know, right-leaning were the biggest problem for what the people

Starting point is 01:12:09 they knew would push back. And they got pacified because Trump was in that position. That's what I believe. And I think the same thing is happening right now. And so they're, I mean, they're rolling out not just like it looks like a win and there's a secret behind it, which is also happening, but they're rolling out the thing. Speaking at World Economic Economic Economic Forum, here's an MRI shot, artificial intelligence infrastructure. And still people are like, no, no, no, here's why. And so I clearly, we have a reason to be on guard. And so please do not trust the plan. question everything, right? And this is why I think it's such an important point that whether it's objective nonpartisan media. That's what it's all really about. And we all have our opinions and

Starting point is 01:12:45 different leanings or different people who want to support. But of all people in this field, what you do is, I love talking with you because I always feel like we're, you know, it's, we're willing to question everything and challenge ideas. And I'm really, really excited to point out in case you guys didn't already know, I already mentioned a second ago, is that he took over activist post and natural blaze and he's also part of the independent media alliance and we just have a lot of positive momentum i argue in this field despite as crazy as it gets you know so what would you touch on that for me and what's going on around that and what your plans are yeah yeah oh there we go and we got corbitt's uh heads he's the lead story right now um in the summer of 2024 i was approached by the

Starting point is 01:13:26 previous owners of activist post um and they said that they had been they'd been doing this for 15 years they were ready to do something else. I've been reading activist posts for at least the last 10 years, enthusiastic supporter of it. They republish articles from journalists around the world. And they approached me about it. They said, you know, we want to make sure it goes to the right, you know, the right person, the right ownership.

Starting point is 01:13:50 It matters to them as it should. And I was flattered, you know, at first I said, no. And then I thought about it. And I said, well, yeah, you know, I kind of have to do this. When the universe, you know, when the universe put something like this, right in front of you. Your job is to is to act upon it. And so we worked on, we figured it out. And I said, yes, you know what, I'll do it. Let's let's make it happen. We rebuilt the site and launched it on January 1st. And yeah, activists, but I bought it in an all Bitcoin transaction

Starting point is 01:14:22 with those guys. And we, and Natural Blaze as well. And the point is that, you know, with what I've been doing, I've been writing books. I've been doing. podcasts and and this seemed like a fantastic evolution of my work to for you know when you write a book it's like takes you two years and sometimes by the time it comes out some of the components of it or you know it's it's not breaking news anymore podcasts it's much better it's much you know I'm able to to reach people twice a week with macroaggressions and union of the unwanted and things like that but the news the daily news that the news that never ends you know it's always kind of going, boy, this is a real opportunity for us in the alternative media, the actual alternative media,

Starting point is 01:15:07 you know, the independent media, to, you know, for me to curate the content in a way that I think is ideologically aligned with my beliefs, which are anti-war, first and foremost. I'm anti-ampire. I wrote a book with Jeff Berwick called The Controlled Demolition of the American Empire. So we have, you know, just taking that sort of mindset and in moving it first, forward in in the alternative media space. And I hope that people will consider bookmarking it. When I rebuilt the site, the intention was, you know, it had been an, it'd been in existence for 15 years. They described it as heavy. And that's not great for mobile. So I want, I said, well, when we do this, we've got to make a brand new site. It's got to be very secure and it's got to

Starting point is 01:15:50 fly on mobile. Man, it's got to be good. But we didn't want to do an app. I didn't want to centralize control into the hands of an app store in, you know, Apple or Google. And so if you want it on your phone, just pull it up like in a browser and bookmark it and do it that way or on your, on your tablet or PC. I hope that people will consider adding that to their media diet. You know, I'm not saying get rid of what you're currently going to. Just add this in addition to it. And then when you and Derek and Whitney reached out this summer, it was, this had just happened in that video that you sent over the 15 minute video kind of talking about this. Whitney made a comment in there, you know, be nice to have a,

Starting point is 01:16:30 a central place for articles sort of like zero hedge. And I was like, oh, like I can't really talk about it too much. But then I got you on the phone and I was like, hey, this is what I'm doing. Just so you know, I've got the centralized place for all these articles. And so if you're, if you know, obviously the independent media alliance is going to have a big role there. We're still working out.

Starting point is 01:16:51 We're still building out parts of the site. It's going to have its own page down at the bottom of the homepage. There's a, there's a spot that says independent media alliance and that says coming soon. We're going to, we're going to connect that. I've been pulling articles, podcasts, and everything I could get from that group for the month or so that I've been in charge of activist post. And it's a fantastic place to catch everybody all in one spot. You know, so you can get articles from Off Guardian and unlimited hangout. I put your, you know, put your Last American Vagabon up as podcast. You just saw Corbett's

Starting point is 01:17:26 up there as the lead story right now. And, And it's just, it's a real treat, you know, I'm honored. I take the job seriously. I'll make some mistakes along the way. No doubt about that. I think it's, it's bound to happen. But my intentions are good. I want people to understand that these stories are important. They're worth talking about. You're not going to hear them on your nightly news. That news is compromised. You're going to have to be responsible for finding your own source of good information. And if activist post is in your rotation, you're going to get news that. makes you feel like you're like you're living in the future. Like you have information that nobody's going to be talking about for months, if not years. Right. Until it's safe. And so I think that with my audience, it's the Venn diagram overlaps pretty considerably between the topics I talk about in the, in on macroaggressions or or write in the books. I mean, it's so ideologically aligned with what activist post is doing right now. So I think that it's, it's going to be a great source for people to to check out. And eventually later this year, we're going to do Activist Plus,

Starting point is 01:18:36 which will be a premium component to that. There are some, let's be honest, there are some topics that it's tough to have conversations about in the general public because of the massive censorship. So some of that will have to go behind a paywall. And that will be brought, you know, we'll do that towards the tail end of 2025. I want to make sure that we get the, the free component of Activist Post dialed in and working and people are aware of that first. Make sure we do that right and before we start to expand. Well, it's standing, man. I'm excited for that. And I do, I love the idea of the, you know, kind of centralized location for different independent media, you know, and like just being able to jump in there. And so, you know, it saves time at the end of the day.

Starting point is 01:19:16 And they got to do. I put a tag on there. So it'll be, if it's, you know, say it's Kit Knightley, off guardian, independent media alliance. Right. So everyone's got their own. If you're part of that group, you'll get tagged as being part of that group. And so for people that are interested in finding that, they can just pull up that tag and just, boom, it'll just drop down everything. Outstanding. Yeah. And for those that know, we've started the, as you mentioned, the independent media alliance, here's one of the recent ones I just pulled up just to grab real quick Trump administration, 2024. IMA discusses cabinet picks policy proposals.

Starting point is 01:19:48 And we've talked about a lot, digital IDs and so on. And I think what's, it's, it's the idea behind it is the same kind of thing, you know, is that we recognize there's a lot of early alarming shifts happening right. now. And a lot of, I mean, this really kind of spearhead started mostly because of the whole black pill, like right before the selection process. And we saw this building problem, you know, and we reached out to the people that we thought were objective. And, you know, I mean, it wasn't, it's plenty of people in this conversation have partisan discussions and point. But in my opinion, it's still, I still call it nonpartisan because it's like we did today. We're all willing to challenge these things and look at it from an objective perspective. And,

Starting point is 01:20:21 and I think that's a breath of fresh air for people. And I really do think it's having an impact. And so we're also going to be having a. the, I think another, the odyses building something for this to be going on. I think that's supposed to come out this month. It's, it's hopefully going to be happening soon. I'm really excited for that. But I'd like to find a way to intertwine all this. You know what I mean? Like with activist post and everything that you're doing as well, because I really do think this is making a difference in this conversation. And despite all the aggressive pushback, which I think only showed us we were over the target, I've seen nothing but just overwhelming

Starting point is 01:20:50 support for what this is. And my philosophy has been, whether it's the books or podcasts or or activist post as well, I reserve the right to change my mind about things if I'm presented with better new information. And I have to be flexible enough about that. And like you and I are having the conversation, we're willing to look in unusual spots. Okay, are we being, are we walking into a trap here? Am I? Do I have a blind spot on this? I'm, that, I think that keeps sharp in in in paying attention to that and I don't want to get so dogmatic that that I'm unwilling to move off of a position if my position was wrong you know I need right I need to have that flexibility for credibility reasons just for for my own sanity like oh maybe I got that part wrong

Starting point is 01:21:37 okay well I got it wrong I mean let me not get it wrong the next time around right so so I think that we're we're approaching this from a place of humility we don't know it all we know quite a bit We've got a lot of the information. And I'm able to curate, you know, if I might not have the sort of knowledge about a particular component, but somebody else does. Let's find their work. Let's make sure that we're showcasing that. And part of what we did is I reconfigured the categories.

Starting point is 01:22:06 And, you know, it's economy and empire and health and tech and podcasts and solutions and crypto. You know, so we wanted to make sure that there's a little bit for everybody there. So that especially the podcast, too, because I know that people don't always get their information the same way. Some people like to read books. Some people like to listen to books as an audio book. So why don't I make sure that the information is there in a variety of different formats? That's why we added the podcast component to it. And again, it's also extremely important since we're getting labeled as blackpilled that we offer solutions. And I think that the solution side, you know, is necessary here. And for people that are trying to figure out what, okay, great, I understand that we've got big problems and these are, these are real issues that we face.

Starting point is 01:23:00 How do I maneuver myself outside of it? You'll see some articles there on homeschooling. You'll see some, you know, there's a lot going on. So to complain without offering solutions, I don't think does anybody any good. So we're going to make sure that we really take care of making sure that if people come activist posts, then they'll say, oh, you know what, this is a great. I get educated on all this stuff. And then there's a way for me to then do something about it. Outstanding. I mean, I'm really excited for this. And I, you know, as I said a second ago, I mean, as much as it's getting

Starting point is 01:23:33 more intense, I guess, I genuinely think that we're seeing a really positive change. And the whole darker for the dawn analogy is accurate for a reason, you know, and I think that every time we start to see positive change, people become aware. We've seen different points of it the past. The dial is turned up, right? When we're more uncomfortable, we're more willing to look for support from the power structure, right? We want them to take care of problems by and large as like a populace. And so I think that's where we are right now. And I'm actually very positive. I feel very positive about where it's going with the genuine independent media and the people that are attuned to that. So I think as long as we're willing to stand back and like you're saying, just ask the question,

Starting point is 01:24:10 Is it possible that we're being fed a false picture of what the majority is or what the real the real picture is? And I think more people than ever are at least willing to ask that question today. After going through the COVID years and the Biden years, I think a lot of people have re-evaluated their relationship that they have with their media. Yeah. Okay. I used to just come home and turn on the TV and get my news and whatever. But now these people are lying to me. I still want news.

Starting point is 01:24:39 I want to know what's going on. don't need you to tell me how to feel about this necessarily. I just can you give me the news? And I think there's a huge opportunity for us out there to find these people that are, I would consider them to be media free agents, right? That they're looking for information somewhere and they maybe don't know where to go. So I put this to the to the readers, the current readers of activist post. You play a role in this. I need your help. I need you. If there's an article that you found that you like, I need you to share it with the people that you think might be interested in it because we're obviously not going to get any love from the algorithms. They hate, they hate what we're doing,

Starting point is 01:25:12 but there's a lot of people out there that are kind of drifting and they want to know what's happening. They just don't know exactly where to go. And in the old days, you know, it might have been, a video might have been suggested or something might have, you know, you would, you would have been in that flow of the algorithm and people would find out about you. That was cut off a long time ago. It really hampered activist post back in 2016. They were part of that, you know, that 200, the disinformation, 200 lists that along with WikiLeaks and ZeroHedge and Free Thought Project and a bunch of others. And that crippled the advertising component of it too. So they'll try to undercut you financially if they can. Well, obviously, we've seen it with tech censorship. They've been doing

Starting point is 01:25:55 that. But as long as we are able to take this information and share it with people that are close to us. That's how we, that's how we spread this information. That's how we win. That's how we, how activist posts continues to stay relevant and grow into the future. So, so for those of you out there that like what you see there, then please take the additional step of sharing it with people that you think might be of like minds. Yeah. And I think that's what, you know, winning is such an abstract thing in what we do. I did a show a while back about like redefining what we think winning means in this field, you know, because it's very hard to see a real long-term, you know, but that's what I think it comes down to. You reach one new person today. If you reach

Starting point is 01:26:37 one new person to open their mind to a broader objective perspective than you won, you know, and I think that's what you just laid out there. So I'm really feeling really positive about that. You know, I really did enjoy our conversation today, man. And I think that it's, it's, one of the things I love about what I seem to have a conversation, the way our conversations go every time, but people that have these kind of conversations is not just giving different thoughts, but sort of like coming to a new, you know, thought together with our different opinions. And so really appreciate that today, man. And anything else you want to leave on the way out, upcoming events or new books or anything coming out and like that? Well, yeah, but in two weeks,

Starting point is 01:27:11 I'll be in Acapulco, Mexico for Anarchapoko, the largest anarchist conference in the world. I'll be the MC again this year. It's fantastic. It's the best week of the year. You'll leave feeling inspired, maybe a little sad because you're like, God, I got to go back to the real world. But you'll find that there's a lot of very smart people out there that aren't trying to fix the system. They recognize the system is broken. They're building outside of the system. They're doing things differently with parallel structures.

Starting point is 01:27:39 And it's very inspiring. It's international and scope. Every day is a different topic. So if you're able to get to Acapulco, I realize not everybody can. If you can't, you can live stream it. You'll be blown away. Last year, I got the opportunity to virtually interoperable. review David Ike to open the event. He was not able to fly there, but we had him on the big

Starting point is 01:28:02 screen behind me. And I was able to interview him, take questions from the audience. That's happening again. We've got Gareth Ike coming down in real life. He'll be there. We've got the VIP dinner for him. It's, it's just a, you know, there's crypto going on. There's health and wellness components to it, sovereign skills. If you're somebody that, you know, wants to get residency in another country or get a different passport, that's going on. And then there's these outstanding workshops that happen as well. In addition to kids camp, I'll be speaking at one of the days with the kids camp about publishing and all that. You've got Jane Noon down there. He'll be teaching kids how to weld last year. He was there he was teaching kids how to weld. How old are these kids? He's like,

Starting point is 01:28:43 I don't know, like 11 or 12. Like they're great. They love it. So there's a lot going on. You'll find a bunch of homeschoolers, unschoolers down there. It's a very subversive group. I'll tell you. I say that with as much due respect as possible. It's a great place. If you're interested, go to anarchopoolco.com. And if you find something you like, the discount code is macro. That'll get you there. I hope to see everybody there.

Starting point is 01:29:05 And then at nights, we all wind up at Max Egan's bar for live music. Everyone's playing. They bring their instruments down there. There's live music. You have some beers. It's a smoke a joint on the balcony. It's great, man. Outstanding, man.

Starting point is 01:29:20 Well, I hope everybody joins. And again, man, really enjoyed our conversation. And I look forward to talking with you again. And as always, everybody out there, question everything. Come to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant. Around me, you say your last good night. There is another very important phase of warfare.

Starting point is 01:31:12 It has as its target, not the body, but the mind of the enemy. The target of psychological warfare is against the enemy's mind. It is words and ideas. Ammunition used by Cywar. Its mission is to influence the thoughts of the enemy's mind. the thoughts of the enemy soldiers and at the same time is expected and encouraged to study foreign languages and the social sciences such as history economics and sociology he must have a broad and sympathetic understanding of all phases of human experience gripping at my skin the walls of night closing but the use of this force as an integral part of combat has now taken on new form These are the side war soldiers

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