The Last American Vagabond - Charlie Robinson Interview – What The Hell Is Happening? (10/16/25)

Episode Date: October 16, 2025

Joining today is Charlie Robinson, here once again to discuss the madness that is partisan politics, and the chaotic nature of the world today. Charlie will be periodically joining Ryan to discuss current events, political machinations, foreign policy blunders, and just good old fashioned two-party illusion naivety. Our conversations will be focused on whatever is most current in our minds as we do our best to decipher “what the hell is happening”?Source Links:MACROAGGRESSIONS(26) Macroaggressions Podcast with Charlie Robinson on X: “Israel is a stain on humanity. Allow me to explain in excruciating detail… https://t.co/W9NVa9iyW8” / X#586: Not Enough Money In The … - Macroaggressions - Apple PodcastsHome - Activist PostNew Tab(23) Macroaggressions Podcast with Charlie Robinson on X: “The Rockefellers started the American Cancer Society in 1913. I hope that helps.” / XNew Tab(26) The Bulwark on X: “Vance on public outrage over the “I love Hitler” group chat: “Grow up! Focus on the real issues. Don’t focus on what kids say in group chats... The reality is that kids do stupid things, especially young boys — they tell edgy, offensive jokes. That’s what kids do.” https://t.co/POLAnldP2P” / XThey Laughed About Gas Chambers. These Are the Future Leaders of the GOP.Swastika Flag Spotted in MAGA Congressman Dave Taylor’s OfficeNew Tab(25) Ted Cruz on X: “There’s considerable evidence that George Soros and his network are funding the “No Kings” rallies. That’s exactly why I’ve introduced the Stop FUNDERs Act. It lets law enforcement prosecute those funding acts of political violence. https://t.co/ZThbb6lSFW” / X“No Kings” protests set in Middle Tennessee this weekend - Axios Nashville(26) Jack on X: “🚨WTF?? A shocking report reveals Mexican cartels are TEAMING UP with left-wing terror networks inside the U.S. They are offering MASSIVE cash bounties for the assassination of top border officials. This is INSANE. Declare a National Emergency. https://t.co/qfex5V7x04” / XThe Wiretap: The DEA Laundered $19 Million Of Cartel Drug Money Into Cash And CryptoDHS Quietly Edits Number of Gang Members Captured in Chicago Raid - NewsBreakNew Tab(26) Hollywood DC on X: “@EricLDaugh https://t.co/KHNndNl2y2” / X(26) The Last American Vagabond on X: “Any updates Alex? I am super excited about these clearly not fake “big, Big, BIG” actions coming... Oh and is Obama in jail yet? Since you claimed that was a sure thing? Asking for a friend...” / X(26) Wall Street Apes on X: “TREASON Director of the FBI Kash Patel confirms with facts - Nancy Pelosi involved in setting up January 6th - She made sure there were no National Guard - Nancy Pelosi and her team were busy filming a movie of January 6th (She later sold it to HBO) - The 250 FBI agents sent to https://t.co/TxapOyucPR” / XThe Illusion Of Comey/James Indictments, The Gaslit Antifa Roundtable & The Fake Gaza CeasefireNew TabFranklin teacher suspended over Charlie Kirk post sues Williamson County Schools - NewsBreak(26) Macroaggressions Podcast with Charlie Robinson on X: “Nobody is more delusional than Christian Zionists.” / X(26) Macroaggressions Podcast with Charlie Robinson on X: “They did.” / X(26) Macroaggressions Podcast with Charlie Robinson on X: “Nope.” / X(26) GenXGirl on X: “Trump & Gavin Newsom want you to believe they are different but both are slaves to Israel lobby TRUMP: Exec Orders 13899 & 14188 incorporated the IHRA definition of antisemitism into US policy, making criticism of Israel, antisemitic NEWSOM: AB 715 incorporates IHRA into CA law https://t.co/w66UBGmXes” / XIsrael Continues Bombing Gaza During Ceasefire & Netanyahu Aims To Swap ISIS-Linked Gangs For Hamas(26) The Last American Vagabond on X: “Your daily reminder that this third generation American citizen has now been held illegally in an Israeli prison for over 7 months, and no one in this supposed America First Admin has said a word. Not @realDonaldTrump, not @marcorubio, not @AGPamBondi, not @FBIDirectorKash, etc. https://t.co/Rb6a9oXI0H” / X Bitcoin Donations Are Appreciated:www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/bitcoin-donation(3FSozj9gQ1UniHvEiRmkPnXzHSVMc68U9f)The Last American Vagabond Substack is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to The Last American Vagabond Substack at tlavagabond.substack.com/subscribe

Welcome to the Last American Vagabond. What the hell is happening? Another episode today with Charlie Robinson discuss the madness of this crazy cycle, as always, as we said the last few times, the point was kind of just to reflect on how crazy the cycle is. And it really does increasingly make this point. I mean, I was even just thinking from last time, like, you know, I just, I completely lose where we even were with the conversation.

I think that's kind of the entire point, right? It's like just so much chaos today. So Charlie joining us again to go over all the. different madness. And the way we kind of set this up, we don't really much have much planned. I have different things that I want to get into. And the point is to kind of just have a good conversation about where we are with our different work. So Charlie today with his macroaggressions website as well as the activist post, don't forget, that is the new platform he's running. Make sure you check that out as well. And talking to you about some crazy stuff today,

brother, how are you? Good to see you. Yeah, it's hard to remember where we left off. I'm sure it was crazy and we probably thought it was going to get a little bit crazier but you know there's one we were right when we were right of course unfortunately um one bit of good news i would say interesting news that came out this week is uh del big tree has a new movie out and he he got into um he had an interaction with a dr marcus zervos uh who is a enthusiastic vaccine supporter and They agreed to run a study on vaccine safety to, you know, see unvaccinated versus vaccinated. You know, because a lot of this is like you, you know, we don't have the safety studies because they haven't done a lot of these basic tests.

And I'm sure Dell was telling him this. And my assumption is that it probably was like, well, then let's just do a study together. So the criteria was the pro vaccine guy was on board to do that? Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk about it. Interesting. Keep going.

Yeah. And the requirement was that we publish the findings no matter what. I love it. And so you go from 2016 to 2020. It wraps up. They take a look at the numbers. It's a catastrophe for the vaccine guy. And he doesn't publish.

Of course. But see, what's really fascinating to me is that this shows you that he, at least you'd assume, that he thought that, so he was wrong and he thought that somehow with all the information that he was going to be proven correct. That's a really interesting thing to think about. because the evidence is shockingly obvious, but yet this guy who's, I guess, an expert or, you know,

what in the world allowed him to think that he was right? Probably trusting experts that are wrong. You know, it's a fascinating overlap. It's such an interesting study in human psychology, too, and how people get bought into certain things. And it talks, you know, it goes back to Yuri Besmanoff, talking about demoralization. I can shower them with authentic information. It won't change. They've been demoralized. And so some of this, you go into it making the assumption, oh, I'll just present logical, factual information, and then they'll see it and they'll go, oh, I was, I didn't know this. And then they'll come around.

And then you do that, you have these interactions and people don't respond that way. And what happened in this case was that the guy didn't publish it. So Dell hooked up, I guess, a hidden camera and went and had a conversation with him about like, hey, man, like, what are we doing? Like you said, you were going to put this out. And he said, if I were to put this out, it would ruin my career and end my career. Wow. frankly, it might even end your life knowing what we know about how dark the pharmaceutical industry could be. So that was the reasoning. I understand it. I don't respect it, but I understand

it. And of course, I'm sure, I'm sure Dell, you know, I'm sure that was a calculation he made as well. Like when this comes out, he is not going to be happy with the results. And then he may not publish. And so I may have to, you know, I may have to get him to publish it or whatever. So, So that's where we are. And so, you know, I think part of what this guy probably couldn't wrap his head around was that they had 2,000 unvaccinated kids and not a single one of them had ADHD, diabetes, behavioral problems, learning disabilities, intellectual disabilities, ticks or other psychological disorders. No. But the vaccinated group did. And he had to see that. Yeah. To be objective, though, I'm sure this is the way they did it, but just to ask. ask, was it a randomly selected group of kids or did they pick kids who weren't vaccinated?

Because if they got to choose them, you could argue, and trust me, you know, I'm on your side of this. Yeah, in that, I don't know. I'd have to defer to to Dell and to. I would imagine. Their votes and who set it up and how they, you know, sort of what the criteria was for all that. Historically, that's exactly what they would do because their interest is making sure that there's

no excuse to deny the reality. And I very much believe that. Yeah. The second point as well is that the guy. not publishing shows you a second thing. Like, because, you know, I'd argue somebody wouldn't go into this if they knew they would have proven wrong. You know, like, so he must have thought he would be right.

And then he makes the conscious choice to not do it, which shows you his hierarchy, his career is more important. Or maybe he thinks he's threatened. But, you know, like I said, there's no way you can respect that or like you said, because that is your choose. So you're all, you're fronting about wanting to do right by people and keep them safe with vaccines. There's clearly not your motivating factor, right?

I mean, because you now find out they're dangerous and you do nothing about that. Ah, it's just, it's crazy out there in this conversation. Do you have an article link to that? You can bring it up on the screen as why. No, but I've, I haven't heard. No, but it was making the rounds quite a few places. I think if somebody just searched Del Big Tree, Dr. Marcus, Z-E-R-V-O-S, and so elaborating a little bit more, what they did find in the vaccinated

group, what was three times more developmental delays, 2.9 times more motor disabilities. 5.5 times higher risk for neurodevelopmental disorders, 4.5 times more speech disorders, which I think is understandable. And this was pre-COVID, by the way. This ended in 2020. Way worse. Six times higher risk for autoimmune disorders. And then that encompasses 80 different diseases within autoimmune disorders. So that opens up like you're six times more likely to get 80 different types of things. Okay. So three times higher. risk for atopic diseases, that's eczema, six times higher risk for ear infections. You know, like, I'm a parent now, but I remember being a kid, and I remember when kids were out of school

and they'd be out of school for a variety of things. And it seemed like ear infections was a real common thing. And I grew up just assuming kids get ear infections. I don't know. It's just kind of what it is. But then when I see that you're six times higher risk of ear infections by being vaccinated, I start to go, well, maybe it isn't like just natural that all kids get ear infections and need to get tubes in their ears or whatever. Like there's something else at play here. And when it's laid out here with numbers behind 4.29 times more likely to have asthma, how many kids do you know with an inhaler, you know, growing up?

And you go with it's just unlucky. He just, you know, he's, you go, well, maybe that's vaccine damage. And you start to go back inside your own world and start to, you know, unpack things, go, what about that kid? And what about that person? You know, and you go, my goodness, I mean, how much of this, how much of what we just have normalized as, you know, wear and tear, I guess, I don't know, just the cost of being alive is, is in actual fact because of these dangerous shots. And to have this come out and they had to admit, so here's the quote from it. Here's from their findings. quote, and this goes to what you said, they were expecting the different results.

Quote, in contrast to our expectations, we found that exposure to vaccination was independently associated with an overall 2.5-fold increase in the likelihood of developing a chronic health condition when compared to children unexposed to vaccination. And so this did come out eventually, is what you're saying? So is that, okay. And so, and know this, but this came out through, well, let me make sure I understand it. So Del went in with the hidden information basically exposed that he didn't want to release it. Then how did it ultimately come out?

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I haven't watched this movie yet. It makes me, I feel like I'm. Oh, that's right. That's what I forgot. I'm assuming it's all explained in the movie. I just read an article on it and went down a little bit of that rabbit hole because of, of course,

one of the things that what they showed in the aftermath of this was that chance of developing a chronic disease. This is what they talked about, a 2.5 fold increase in likelihood of developing a chronic health condition. So the chance of developing a chronic disease in the first 10 years of life, vaccinated kids, 57%, unvaccinated kids, 17%. Wow. That's a gigantic number, all right? And you take that and you take these numbers that we've seen. We've all seen the ratio that's coming down unfortunately about autism and you start to go okay well listen you know if you're new to this like there's a lot of smoke here oh yeah there's a lot of smoke at what point do you have to recognize that maybe there's a fire i mean it and i get it that there's a lot of psychological components

at play where if you're somebody a parent who has has just because you were doing what you thought was the right thing you have subjected your children to this you put them through all this and now you come to this realization and you have some kind of like moral crossroads to come to where you you either have to acknowledge that you've made a mistake. So it wasn't really your fault. But or you double down and just say, no, vaccines are the only answer. I can't allow myself to accept the possibility that maybe I harmed my kids in some way because it wasn't their intention and you don't want that guilt and you don't know how to process all this. And so there's a psychological side to this that I think is really really interesting.

How, again, like, the guy probably took a look at those results and just said, I can't reconcile this. And I cannot go back to work with the people I work with. With this, it's just like a huge F hanging over me, you know? I would argue you would. I would argue I would. Right. And that's not, I'm not even trying to put us on some pedestal. I argue there's a lot more people out there that would, especially today with what we've all gone through, make the conscious choice to do things to their detriment that might expose a larger problem. You know what I mean? Like I just don't under, I don't know how I could ever continue my day to day life knowing that I'm hiding something that is potentially killing that many people. You know, it's just a, I just can't even reconcile

that. You know, it's, but what's interesting though about the larger point is, you know, and I'm glad you said this because this is something I've talked about a lot is, you know, we have this weird idea. Like cancer is a big one where if I was just, you know, people just get cancer. No, they don't just get cancer. Right. No, you don't just randomly get an ear. Now, there are some more common things. Like you can even argue like people that swim more often can get like ear infections, right? There's some overlaps, right?

But the point is that there's always a catalyst, even if we can't figure that out. You don't just get ear infections, right? You don't just get cancer. There's something that is going wrong. Your body's reacting to that and that's what's happening. And so it's so crazy is we've got this normalcy. Well, you know, yeah, this just cold season. That's not how you look at that.

You're getting a cold because your body is suffering because your immune system is suffering. And so it's so fascinating that we're breaking through these walls, but I think the biggest thing to see is that people in these expert fields are the worst in this regard, you know? And it's just like, I'm glad Del Big Tree and the rest are doing this. I got to check out the movie. I mean, obviously their whole career has been calling this stuff out. That's not me.

Doesn't mean he's right about everything. There's plenty of things I can point out that we've disagreed on. But it's clear to me that it's intention to try to break this down. So I'm glad to see that. Yeah. And of course, it's not to say that vaccines give every child autism every time. Right. This is sometimes.

It doesn't outweigh the risks for me. There's just, there's a lot of factors at play here. And it's a contributing factor to it and how much on the pie chart, people want to assign responsibility to vaccines. That is obviously very subjective. And I think people can make cases for that. But when you just lay out the hard evidence and then also just kind of the behavior

of the person, yeah, if I woke up one day and I realized I was that far off face with something, I think I would, I think it would be a turning point in my life. I'd have to just look at, you know, face myself and say like, how could I have that big of a blind spot and, you know, and I would be probably an advocate for vaccine safety if I were in his shoes. Exactly. Of course, you know, this is the very human side of this. We're not all ideologically aligned on this. And some people don't have a, you know, they have a flexible moral compass or they have a mortgage payment that is making them make calculations. that they don't love but they have to make and all that stuff.

And I mean, the kids have medications they need or, you know, there's always that that's very common. There's a lot of things. There's an excuse. There's a, and there's a justification,

I guess, in some ways if you try hard enough. But I mean, let's just be honest. This is, this is hurting kids. The longer we pretend that this isn't a thing, those numbers on autism are not getting any better.

And how in the world we pretend it's not deliberate. That's my opinion, but my God, you know, like there's just. no way you break this all down and walk away thinking, oopsie, you know, it's just not possible for me. And it's a force,

I'd call it a force multiplier if it was for good, a force subtractor, I suppose, because it's not just the child who is sick with autism. Obviously, depending on the scale, how involved the parent needs to be. But now the parent is involved forever, for a lifetime. They can't sometimes give that. That's a child who doesn't age up,

and leave the nest. That's a, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, a massive stress for the parents.

What happens when I die? He's gonna take care of him. Right. You know, he's been with me forever. The only, you know, and so it's, it's,

it's a contagion effect. It's not just the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the numbers that we've seen, which are astronomicalical and alarming. But it's also that factor of who else in their orbit,

it impacts. And it never gets better. And it never gets better. goes away. Yeah. And this is something that many of us have been calling out for a very, very, very long time, like way, way back before. And, you know, and same to Wakefield and Del Big Tree, like, you know, way ahead of most, right?

But that there's, and this is what's so crazy. I remember doing breakdowns on this looking before there was even like provable. And I argue there's provable evidence today. Just kind of going, I mean, come on, like look at this rack with this, like, exponential increase, like over, like a perfect correlation from 1986. It's like you just can't ignore that. And yeah, even at that time, I'm going, I'm not going to say I can prove this is exactly correlation, it's not causation, but you can't go from whatever, one in five thousand,

one in 15 or whatever the hell it is today. And that's the same thing with cancer, by the way. You can go from this radical reality, you know, over the process of like 20 years, almost every American one point in their life will get cancer from where it was before. And then, of course, overlap that with the idea that it's pretty much at one point at least, and I think still somewhat today, one of the only pharmaceutical drugs where doctors get a direct cut of the profit of what they sell. You know, we live in a very broken system.

But the good thing is that people are starting to see this. You know, but the change hasn't happened yet. I think it's being stifled by a government pretending like they're fighting to change everything while they're instilling the problem forever. You know, you know what I'm talking about. But I'm glad we're talking about these things, though. Thank you for bringing it up today. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I think that the first step towards fixing this is shocking people into understanding that not only is there, you know, when you see these ratios, they're alarming. But but but then when you start to see higher numbers and for a of very specific issues. And I think that people then can recognize there's enough issues on this list of of theirs that they can go, well, I know somebody with this. And then it starts to make you think, what is it because of the shot, you know? And so if you start to have that if you're starting to question, that's a, that's where it begins. You know, you then start to ask questions, well, maybe the,

maybe there's some questions about this and maybe who's, who's making this? And you go, well, glad you asked. They're all convicted felons, you know, and they're, they're, and they pay a fine for harming people and they don't worry about it. It's just funny. It's like, all we can do is laugh about something like that. It's how crazy it is. And, you know, that's not a hyperbolic statement. I mean, how about, I mean, Pfizer, for example, it's been literally charged with, with federal. I mean, look at the, I mean, we've gone over that long Pfizer tracker list of all the times. They've lied about safety regulations, lied about what they can do, lied about the out, the side effects. You know, there's like 10, I think what is, I think what is

Last time I look, it's like it's billions of dollars, you know. But at the same point with, I mean, as much as this makes people angry to point out, even Donald Trump is convicted, despite the fact that nothing was ever done about it. You know, people watching the show for that maybe new, I'm not going to speak for Charlie, but I believe both of us argue that both sides, the paradigm, all of the Biden and Trump are pretty much the same criminal, you know, but it's just wild, though, to see that we can be dealing with that base value and nothing changes. That's kind of what I was going to say about the point of all this with vaccines and everything

is, you know, the study's right there. The evidence continues, and I forget his name now. The guy who was from the CDC was the whistleblower. Top tip my tongue. Brian Hooker? Yes, thank you. He did a study a long time ago that did the same thing. James Lyons Weiler came out with a recent one during COVID.

All of these studies show you that vaccinated kids are far, far more unhealthy, and nothing continues to change. It's the same thing I'm saying about the recognition of Israel. You know, it's like, how is it we keep having this reality? I mean, I think that's the first recognition we need to have is that we have literally no influence on the outcome of what's happening in this country. And I'm sorry to say that, but we can see it. Like things that matter, we can all recognize the problem. And it just continues to just be narrative and the people at the top of the fake paradigm

scream at each other. And they go get in front of Congress and yell. And, you know, just nothing ever changes. Not, I'm not saying that we can't fix that. I know we can. But just we need to realize that we're there. Same with the vaccines, you know. The optimist in me says this is a coiled spring of frustration.

Oh, yeah. It is building and building and building with. Big Pharma, with the Israel lobby, with a lot of things. That it's been, it's been happening for a while. The noticing of a variety of topics has started. There's, so it feels like maybe we're set to launch out of this into a new paradigm where people don't reflexively trust Anthony Fauci when he comes out there and says that we have to spend two weeks to flatten the curve or the next person who tries to sell the next narrative and people go, you know what? That sounds a little too Fauci-esque for me.

No thank you. You know, name whatever, climate emergency. It'll be some new guy with a white lab code who'll say we, you know, we looked at the, in the sky and we have a climate emergency. And so you all have to be in your house. And I think maybe, you know, I guess if I could, if I could be a, optimistic about what we went through over the last five years with COVID and all of that is that I think for a segment of the population, it will be tough to pull another one of these

tricks again, because we've been so vocal about pointing out what they do, why they do it, how they do it. Look, they're going to do this and then they do it. And I think people have watched this enough. It's like watching a magician, you know, watching how he does the trick. Next time around, next time you go to the show. I know how he does that. I know he's got it here. And you, you're looking there and he's got the thing here and boom. And so it just loses its power. That's the thing that has been felt like that I felt in the last six months. The grip, the narrative control seems to be loosening on a lot of things. People are pushing back about vaccines and people are asking questions about Israel. And that is fantastic. That's a great start.

But of course, as we know, it's not going to be enough. It's, it's, there's going to have to come a time where you make some decisions. I'm not taking any more shots. I'm not going to allow my kids to be a part of this. I'm not going to do that. Or it's, I'm not going to go to my church. Who's pastors telling me to go stand with Israel? Like, I'm not doing that. That's crazy talk. You know what I mean? So people are starting to, uh, starting to ask questions and, and I'd say, you know, better, better late than never. Oh, absolutely. I mean, but I, this is, I've talked a while about, not so much recently, but a while, but a while, back about, you know, redefining what success looks like, you know, like understanding what is that I think, I think what we have to start to understand is that there may never be an outcome. That what we're doing is the point, right? Simply standing up for what is correct and fighting for the right things. And, you know, I mean, as we see it, obviously, we could disagree as individuals. But, you know, I think that's what this comes down to, you know, it's the kind of never

ending battle of good and evil. Like, I don't think, I don't, there's not going to be some moment where we go, you know, plant the flag and we did it. It's all over. Like, it just never seems like that's the case. So it's, I think it's important that we just recognize that. that the momentum of awareness is the win in and of itself, you know? A hundred percent.

I think that it's very tough to quantify this stuff. But when when people start reflexively asking questions about things, that's good. That's a, that's a place where, look, I'm not trying to tell people what to think at all. I know how I feel about things. But I would, I would like to try and encourage people to, learn how to be critical about this information. Maybe not what to think, but how to go about thinking about these processes,

about what you're seeing. They're trying to sell me a narrative. They're trying to convince me to feel a certain way. My Twitter, X feed, is trying to make me hate people. You know what I mean? But the simple awareness of that diffuses the power a little bit. So I can look at it and go, What are they trying to make me?

They're trying to get me angry. They're showing me all kinds of fight videos today. I don't know why. I'm not liking them. I'm not even really watching them. But they know, you know, whatever it is. So again, like if you can get this new generation, the normies out there. Not to not, I don't, you think however you want to think about Israel or vaccines or whatever.

But just know that you're going to be sold a narrative, that it's not going to be true. It's going to be very manipulative. And once you recognize that, then you're going to go. this is this is this is trying to uh manipulate me into feeling a certain way i wonder why they're doing that it almost makes me want to feel the exact opposite way you know what i mean and so you you start to recognize this and i think that's the bet i think that to me would be victory not that everybody thinks the way we think because we're all going to think a little bit differently anyway but just that they're thinking that they're thinking about thinking you know that that that is

sorely uh lacking uh unfortunately too as we've noticed in this world. So just the thought that like, hey, man, you can't outsource your critical thinking to these lunatics. They don't want what you want. You're going to have to be responsible for the thoughts in your head and the information you consume and where you get it and who you listen to and all that stuff. And so that's your responsibility is to like filter out all the nonsense and get good sources. So I mean, right. And to take it a little further, you know, so it's like the point is, is the action of it. Like, and maybe they're not lying. Maybe they're using the truth to deceive you. right, but it's about the intent, like questioning the intention.

And maybe you never even find out the intention, because that's usually the hardest thing to really prove or find out in general. But it's the simple act of going, could they be lying? Could they be deceived with literally every single thing you come across? Now, that may sound exhausting, and that is in part the lie, right? They've trained you to be so passive and it's to accept what's presented for you because it's easier to manipulate people like that. You have to question everything while considering all possibilities.

if your intention or desire is to be informed and be critical, right? You could choose to go do whatever you want. But it's the problem is the people that present themselves as being critical thinkers in the independent mainstream alternative media and then don't do that, right? It's like that's the illusion about it. But you're right, though. It's like we just need to start applying that to everything and recognize it's not always a deception.

Maybe the person saying this is acting with the best of intentions and they're being deceived. It's very simple. I mean, everybody truly knows this at the core. there's just levels at which they decide to ignore it because my guy's the good guy, there's the bad guy, you know, it all becomes very simple. But the thing is, I think most people out there who are being deceived who genuinely want good things for this country. That's one of the important things to recognize.

They're not all the villainous, you know, ready to go, we're going to screw this person over because they're on the other side. Most of them have been convinced that you are the enemy because of what the other guy said. And, you know, it's like, it's so important to break down on that. But to your point about the spring, it's interesting. I agree with that entirely, and I think what we see is the call release valve efforts, you know, to throw your bone and say, okay, well, here's a redacted Epstein list. Is that spring loosening a little bit?

Like, we let us clean them out of there, you know? And the point is that it's just not going to happen, you know. And so now the question is that's what I think we both talked about many times in these very discussions, what seems to be happening with the technocratic rollout, the surveillance, the kind of tightening up, you know, the control structure, the control grid, as Catherine discusses it, that that is being done in an effort to make sure we, get to a place to where at this point, the spring can pop off and it's not connected anymore. If it, to go with the analogy, you know, it won't make an effect.

They don't care what we think would say. That's what we're fighting. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a real, a real concern. I mean, people are walking themselves into a digital prison here. And I'm, I'm alarmed by it. And the sales pitch is, is ongoing.

And, you know, I'm, I'm also starting to get a bit freaked out. Well, not freaked out. That's not the right word. But just. additionally alarmed about the consolidation of the media under Larry Ellison. Yep. In his group. Right.

That to me is what's massively suspicious. I get bad vibes about all of it. You know, his daughter's been involved in Hollywood as a producer for a long, long time. And it's not a real stretch to see him do this. And when you've got all the money in the world, you start buying assets like this. But I don't think this is part of a broader investment portfolio for Larry Ellison because of his intelligence ties. I just see this as a megaphone for Israel and the CIA because he's intertwined with both.

I don't know where the Israel starts and the CIA stops. I don't think you can debate that really. I mean, look at the outcome. Look at the immediacy of taking over TikTok and the very first things that happened where it's an immediate clamp down on talking of Israel and even censorship around the discussion

of the deal itself. You know what I mean? Like, it's just people are denying that. You know, they just came out and clamp down. And so the point is, this is only one element of a much larger apparatus. And I'm almost weirdly skeptical of why he's being, it's very prominent,

even in mainstream conversations. So, you know, I kind of feel like, like, I know it's important, but it's just one sliver of the larger control that's been there for a very long time. You know, we've broken down the six companies that have basically now for, you know, Comcast, AT&T, you know, that run everything. And he's just one part of that now that's kind of, you're tightening up one corner,

you know? Yeah, he's got a proposal to acquire Warner Brothers, HBO, and CNN. Wow. Yes, you, Warner Brothers is a huge one that then, this is probably behind the scenes come down to two, maybe even just one conglomerate that effectively controls everything, media, print, radio. I mean, I guess, you know, video print radio. So just think about the control that that gives somebody today.

Yeah, it's overwhelming. Yeah, because, you know, any good propaganda is like 95% truth. You know, you only have a little bit of the negative in there. And but this also gives them, even if they went with, we're going to give you a hundred percent truth. Let's just, let's just say that they did that. Where they would get you would be the lies by omission. Exactly. It would be the stories that were never talked about.

Right. And that's it. So it's part of this, we have an attention span. We've got only so much that we can take in in a day. We're going to prioritize what it is. We'd love to get to that other good stuff, but they don't make it available, right? If they want to feed you a curated version of the news and that's all it is. And the lie isn't anything that they told you.

It's just that they didn't tell you about this massively important story that everybody should be talking about that they have kept hidden. And that's really where the danger comes in. Of course, they will lie. So they will smith one modernization act to protect them from lying. So they're of course going to be lying. And it'll be like Zionist propaganda like you've never seen before. And as you said about TikTok, just turn off all the accounts that are critical of that,

have AI scan for keywords, talking about this, this and that. Boom, everybody's gone. So it's not so much that they have to change the opinion of what people think about. is what Israel is doing they just have to make it so you can't hear anything yeah and and as they said very clearly like that's what yakarino was all about now she's kind of exited stage left i guess but you know it's just very weird that she was like you know that most people i think it was something like 90% or she threw out a number i've never looked into it but her claim was that that very high amount of people will correct their action not necessarily wrong or illegal but just correct whatever they want them

to correct should they give them that nudge and say oop you're muted for 24 hours then most people will end up never doing that again. And this is something I saw in regard to people like us, where somebody's trying to send us a direct message and they get their account locked. And as somebody said me this twice, it happened. And so that would probably never reach out to me again. You know, it's, it's very easy to see how social engineering is taking place. And this is the, this is like the benign on surface kind of stuff. Like God only knows the kind of stuff they're doing in very deep algorithmic and channeling kind of, you know, getting us in certain groups and pressing ideas and seeing how we respond. I mean, this is all how this is happening

like split second AI kind of training algorithm decisions right now. I mean, I don't think we even fully grasp the level to which this is happening. You know, and we've talked about this before. It is, it really is tough to fully grasp how this information can be used. I mean, like, I have a marketing degree. And if the extent of what Google was doing was trying to tailor make the AdSense ads to so that if I know I'm looking to buy a new suit because I emailed somebody about it, then I get an ad for places that sell new suits, whatever.

I can live with that because of my marketing background. I wouldn't love it, but I can live with that. But it is now turned into them knowing what you're going to do before you do it. And that and you go, oh, that's crazy. That would never happen. And you start to read some of the papers of the technology that they have. And you go, oh my God, this is this, how is this, how is this, how is this, happening. How is this true? I tell the story of my wife telling having a, a funny dream where she, in her dream,

she woke me up. She was like, hey, I, I detailed our car and she had taken her car and put Kansas city chief stuff all over the car in this dream for some reason. And she told me the dream. And I was like, that's crazy. And then she told her mom the story of the dream and her mom laughed. And then like two days later, all the ads on her Facebook were decals and stickers for Kansas City Chief stuff for her car. And so she showed me that. I was like, yeah, yeah, they're listening to you. And they're doing all this. And it's really creepy.

And it's, and nobody appreciates it. But it's, it's gone beyond that now. And it's also nudging decisions. Like you may see, we notice that because it happens to connect. It's all the things you don't notice. Right. All the imagery that you don't even think about that are infecting what you think about

that day and what you want to. buy later, political, you know, it's just, you know, and this is not even getting into the digital twins overlap, which we've talked about as well. This is just algorithmic predictive models. Like, you know, you overlap that with like the actual mapping out of your day-to-day actions that you've ever done your entire life since you were born that's been recorded. And then adding what we say right now to the real time feed of what that thing does. And it's little Sim City, you know, those are very real and actually happening. You know, it's like that's so far beyond what we can even think about, you know, and that's, I'm of the mind of this is beyond like, I mean,

it's think about the world in which that like predictively they could forget the numbers like high percentages decide what you may do next week on a Tuesday at 3 p.m. But what if it's gone beyond that and it quite literally is predictive at this point? Like that's not that far-fetched to where it's like they could literal

and then what that does for a government and deciding what to buy and what to do and actions to take in the world and now you're just literally gaming society. You know, that's what I think they're trying to do. Maybe already there. If you want to take some acid and read a Philip K. Dick book

and think about all this, they may be just figuring out the best way to predict where you're going to be, so they only have to render your world in that little region and not render the rest of the universe for you. Because you're in some deep simulation. You know what I mean? Like, you never, I mean. Yeah, it gets so abstract that there's, you know, especially for somebody like me where I'm just like, okay, I mean, I am interested as hell by stuff like this. Like, it's even like you get into like the nanotech.

And it's like some of that is pretty provable today. But it gets to a point where you're like, okay. you know, it's like trying to discuss what's going on to the moon. It's like, how do we ever think we can prove any, you know, the experts say, you know, it's like you never really know. And so for that kind of stuff, I'm just like, what I do, I'm like, well, I'm just going to go to what I can prove today. That's the best I can do.

But it's like, you know, that stuff seems very much like it's not just real, but it is going to have an immediate effect on our lives very soon, if not already, like you're saying. And to be fair, just because it's not provable right now by you doesn't mean that it isn't actually happening. So, but we have to. you and I have always been pretty good about differentiating between when we're talking about something we can prove and when we're speculating because we have to. So it's fun to speculate.

And there's a lot, there's a mysterious universe out there. And I, you know, I don't pretend to know how it all works. And I wonder sometimes if they think they know how it all works, you know, because when you start to hear things about Ronald Reagan, bringing in astrologers and all that and how billionaires are using astrologers and you go, wait a second, wait a second. all this stuff is kind of dismissed. I was dismissive of it and it was very kooky. And then you start to look into it and you go, well, maybe there's a little, I don't know, maybe there's a little more magic to this whole place than what we're led to believe.

And of course, as I get older, I start to learn just about everything I was taught was a lie or something. You know, right. Everything becomes like a possibility. You're so open to interpret, open to questioning,

you know, so I hope I never lose that. I hope I'm always sort of asking like, you know, what's going on over there? You do this long enough. You realize very quickly that it's like, okay, the moment that you close off your mind to any possibility is the moment you start to lose side of, you know, I mean, any number of things. Like you, you, you find it's, I put it this way. It's amazing to me how many times I've gone through these things where it's something

that I was not versed on that I would have immediately dismissed in other parts of my life, you know, where you come to find out that's quite literally what's happening, you know, and you just kind of go, you know, and if you had been like, oh, that's fake news or, oh, that's something I'm supposed to believe is fake. You would have never even had been open to the possibility of the evidence that set you on that path. You know, it's just ignorance,

willful ignorance to do that, you know, learned helplessness. It is always within your power, you know? But let's, go good. Well,

part of what has happened in American culture has that this, this willful ignorance is somehow elevated proudly. You know, it's like, like, I don't, don't know nothing and I'm proud of it. You know, it's like, well, wait a second.

Where's that intellectual curiosity to figure out how the world works? And don't you get, I get offended when I think I'm being lied to. And I feel like the people on TV are lying to me and my politicians are lying to me. And I take it personally and get pissed off about it. Don't you? Well, and, you know, I think it's cognitive dissonance. I think I think people get uncomfortable by it and, you know, or it undermines the team that they see themselves being on as a part of their identity.

You know, there's a hundred different ways that people, just kind of go, ah, you know, sadly some of them that very much see it and choose to ignore it, but I think most are just people that are brushing up against it and just close down to it because they've been trained to in a thousand different ways, you know? And don't stand out. Don't stand out from the herd. That's, it's dangerous. The herd doesn't love it.

You know, you put a target on yourself, you know, maybe, you know, after you do that a couple times in life, sometimes you learn to just, you know, not try to get out of the crap bucket. You know, you try to pull everybody else down because you, you want them down there with you. So again, it goes back to like the psychology of people and how they see themselves. And what's been fascinating to me over the last couple of months has been this new, I don't know if it's a study or it was an article or something that came out talking about people with or without inner monologues.

And I think that brought up a whole new thing where people were going, well, wait a second. Do I have one? Do you not have one? I have one. Do you not have one? So it was like a, you know, what was it, the red dress, blue dress thing or whatever? Yeah, yeah, or that gold dress, blue dress. There's always one of those every so many, every so many months or something.

Yeah. That's interesting, though, because, I mean, that would be pretty weird to suddenly realize that you are the other, you know, like what you guys do? You know, like what? That would be a pretty weird thing to realize that you're somehow different. But, I mean, I would argue that really just comes down to an intelligence thing, you know, like, whether or not you're like, because, you know, look, frankly, you're probably much happier if you're just like literally,

like I think about this in my life in ways that I think I am unique. Like, I think the reason I'm good at that I'm like, I'm like made for what I do here in this to a degree is that I have an ability to sort of, you know, sometimes not. Sometimes stuff sits with me, but kind of after getting done work, just kind of focus on my garden or what I'm doing and just I'm present, you know, and you find a piece in that that you're not constantly just reviewing all the things in your mind. And if I wasn't capable of that, I feel like, you know, this stuff would, which people I've known in this, have just kind of burned out because there's too much and I get it, you know, but to somebody

like that, you're always kind of focused on the current moment. That's probably pretty happy the end of the day. Yeah, envious. There's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of this stuff that it's like, you want to know, because you want to know what's out there and you want to know where the potholes are in life so you can avoid them and you, you know, you need to get educated on the health industry because it impacts you and things like that, you know. But a lot of this stuff, like, I'm just curious.

Why do I want to know? I just want to know how it all works, man. I don't know. I don't have any sort of like idea that I'm going to fix it all. And so in some respects, I think that's sort of helped to be a little bit detached and not be so associated with one team or the other. Because if you do that, you'll be constantly disappointed in the behavior of your group. You know, your group will let you down over and over again. But if you can somehow remove yourself, and I've had to do this in my language as well when I talk about what we're doing in the Middle East and I have to go, no, no, no, I'm not doing any of this.

I have to reframe that. So part of it is like even allowing myself to get retrained on the language so that I'm not enabling them. I'm not including myself in their war crimes just because I was born here. I don't have to sign on to all their insanity. We all fall in that too. We all. It's just the language thing. It's very simple.

You know, but you're right. I mean, I even with how aggressively I make that point, I still often go, you know, like can basically end up conflating. the government and the American people. You know, it's very important to be like the government did this. We did not, the country did not do this. The government did that, you know. Very, very important difference there. But let's talk about some of this two-party.

Like, a couple things I want to get into to, like, the latter half of this is, let's talk about the kind of, well, we'll start with a point they're making about the no-kings rally, but let's just talk about the, you know, left-wing terror, two-party illusion, the weird kind of building alarming divide about Antifa and, like, you know, and I think neither of us, not what you speak to this, but neither of us, I would argue, are of the mind that, you know, like, there is a level of anta organization. You can't deny that. And whether there are groups that are just doing these things that I wouldn't argue a part of some massive funded thing. There's also organized elements

of political movement that aren't necessarily terrorism, whether or not they're being funded by billionaires or not. You know, it's a very, very alarming thing that they're doing right now. And it's benefits the government over all Americans, but also the overlap with that around, you know, lacking accountability. And then how that kind of ties in, I want to touch on at least the end about Israel and the the the weirdness around how all this seems to connect. But let's, I'll bring this up. This is what I was looking at. I just had just kind of set in my mind.

Ted Cruz says this is today, or yesterday, excuse me, there's considerable evidence that George Soros and his networks are funding the no king's rallies. Probably. I sure as hell would like to see that evidence that they love to say and never seem to be able to verify. But here's the interesting thing to start on. And then you take it wherever you want is that, you know, would it be, well, it's not illegal for anyone, including a billionaire, to fund political action.

You know, that's just simply the reality. But when does it become terrorism and have they made this line? And like, you know, like, I think I would clearly argue that George Searles is a problem when it comes to the way these things work, just like I think Elon Musk, and the same exact way on the other side of the conversation or many others like that can be manipulative and to the point where it becomes illegal. But the way it's being used right now, especially without proving it, I just think it's a trap. And I think that's where it's going.

So what do you think about all this? Well, I think that we're in some dangerous territory here with the Antifa side of things because there is a temptation to want to say that's a domestic terrorist organization. But when you, because of course they are, right? But when you do that, you then now you've made them that's a legal designation. They're now a domestic terrorist operating in the homeland on the battlefield and so they can get black. bag and taken away. And you go, yay, we got Antifa off the street. And then the election comes and Gavin Newsom becomes president. And then that power is normalized and in the hands of that lunatic, who by the way, is no better than Donald Trump. Of course, just a different flavor of insanity.

But then they will weaponize that and you go, oh, look at the proud boys. They're all a domestic terrorist organization operating in the homeland on the battlefield. And so they get rounded up and taken away. And so anything that this is the important part I want the, the right side, the conservative side to remember is that any of these powers that you grant to your guy will be given to the other guy eventually and used against you. So just be very careful about what you're supportive of when it comes to this because, you know, it's Antifa today, right? But it's you guys tomorrow. And if you remember back in 2015, 2015, 2016, the Jade Helm simulation. One of the things that they were simulating was they were looking for enemy combatants, domestic terrorists. And what were they looking for specifically constitutionalist was what the guy was talking about.

So you can just envision how this would be used. And that unfortunately is the problem that a lot of these people get to is they can't think just, I don't need you to think 10 steps ahead. Just think one step ahead. Just one more. The power that is granted to your favorite politician, will be given to your enemy in four years or eight years or whatever. And it will most definitely be used against you and it will be worse, you know, because then they will be coming for revenge. That's what happened now, it seems. Right. It's like a never,

it's an always continuing tick for tat kind of escalation. But, you know, I don't know if I think that the individual parties are like, I'm of the mind that most of them are very aware of the, of the lack of real division. But my thing is that, I mean, that is always the most important thing to start with is that if,

look, even if you think everything they're doing is right, it's going to end. And if you think that's a problem that the other side will use it back, well, then that should show you that what you're doing is wrong. Simple, right? Just really know, it's wrong. It's wrong. It's not only right. You know, the idea is that they frame it as, well, they are the bad, the good guy, fighting the bad guy. So it's okay. The other side is the other way around. So even though in principle, it's the same, it's just, it's, there's no logic to it. The other, the other side will frame them as the good guys and you have the bad guys. So it's so it'll all come back on you. And that is the state.

That's what the state does. And the state loves this. They have a monopoly on violence. They love violence. They love Antifa. Don't kid yourself that they're like, oh, this is terrible. This is, this gets things done. These are color revolutions.

We've been doing this in Europe for 50 years. I mean, it's extremely effective. You put a little bit of money behind some events. I just, to me, though, like the idea, the no king's rally. I, from a branding messaging standpoint, I think, well, you know, if there was a king, would he allow these protests? Probably not, right? If you actually, if we had an actual king, he'd stomp these protests out. So the fact that you're having a protest called no kings, sort of by itself, sort of an admission that there aren't really actually kings because you

wouldn't be able to have the protest. You could make the argument that's the point is that we're protesting to there shouldn't be kings and that's where it's going. We both agree that that's where the power continues to consolidate. But let's be clear. In no way, saying that I think that it's politically manipulated. It's politically motivated. There's no way around it. It's about politics. What's funny is we've gotten to a point to where now being politically motivated is somehow inherently of like underlying criminality. Like it can't be for sure. But the reality is all they're really doing from both sides is framing any kind of political momentum as somehow being a terrorist underlying problem. That applies both ways, guys. Like Charlie was saying

in the beginning, like I'm not going to argue that you like you can clearly see like let's make it again a broad point. Let's Aesaurus. Oros. or just another faceless billionaire that decides to come in and spend money to fund a group and to get new signs and whatever else. Is that a crime? It's not a crime, period, right? It can amount to more of a criminal activity when you do something beyond that, you know, like especially when it comes to more manipulative actions, but just being able

to fund that is not a crime. So it's interesting because we see it happen both ways. But so I understand the way that's manipulated, though. I know as we can see, one more step back, actually. What we're talking about here with from their side is the conflation of people protesting, no matter where funded from and how highly funded it organized with Antifa as a terrorist organization committing violence. You see that that's the illusion right there they're creating is they're going, well,

now anytime we can prove, let's say Soros funded something, of course, only going from one side, as we all know if you're paying attention, it's both sides of the paradigm do this, that then you say that that is now the violence and we can shut down their protests. I just think it's so clear to me how this is being manipulated. Now, I think additionally, we know, and we've talked about that the FBI will front us these things. So what's crazy is that they're trying to go after using this people just on the left. That's what's so crazy to me. And I'm not even going after politicians, just random people out there protesting, some of which are just people who believe what they're doing.

We know that is a part of this, just like it happens on both sides. And so all you're doing is creating this error where they are, if they're wearing black and have a mask on, let's say, or just look like a lefty. Therefore, now it's some kind of terrorism. And we all, Patriot Front is the same thing on both sides of it. But the other thing is like you mentioned, that MAGA, to your point, the beginning point, this is where it's swinging back around. There are people right now going just wait until we declare MAGA terrorist organizations, some pretty prominent accounts, by the way.

What happens then? Well, then they're going to make the same argument, like we said, that now if you're Maga, you're part of an organized terrorist network. And they're going to go, we know it, and we're the ones doing it right. And all you do is build both sides of that problem. But I think the real core here is how they're using this, even if it's based on truth, In many cases, it can be, and it has been about organized manipulation to the case of violence or political subversion.

The point is that now they're framing it as literally everything that happens and whether they can even prove that Searle's funded it, whether they can even prove that individual protests are part of that organized network to begin with or just people protesting who call themselves anti-fascist. You know what I'm saying? It's so clearly lacking of the principle. But I know I get pushed back from people who just want to go, but Ryan, we know the left, X, Y, and Z.

You can't fight that. You know, people in my audience feel that. that way. I just think it's so obvious how this is being played against us, and it's only going to amount to less rights and more manipulation, you know? Well, if the Antifa had history classes, they would learn about the brown shirts. And the brown shirts had ended very poorly for them as the SS was grown as a parallel organization and then eventually turned on the brown shirts and wipe them out. And that is, of course, what Antifa's role is. They're the group that comes in and starts the chaos to to create the pretext for the revolution.

But when that like the FBI overlap sense? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Come in and, and be the chaos agents. But then after you've done the, after you've had the revolution,

those guys become a liability, not an asset. Right. They go up against the wall, as Bezinov says, in their shot. Because that's their only function is to, is to create chaos early on.

So they create, the justification for his rise to power. But once you're in power, we don't need you. You're going to be a big problem because you're clearly easily whipped up into a frenzy. So we'll just get rid of all those people. That's Antifa. They don't understand their history. So they don't know where this is going to go.

And listen, there is a genuine reason for people to be frustrated. That's the part about this that makes it all kind of, in a way, legitimate. Because you, because, you know, it's like if everything was. fine and people were protesting, it would stand out like a sore thumb. You would think, this is weird. Things are great. Why are you guys out here? This feels very artificial. But because things are bad and because people are genuinely frustrated and for a variety of reasons, financially, socially, whatever, they're either for the migrants or against them, whatever. They're angry about everything. And of course, they've been weaponized. Like now is the time

that an Antifa-backed, you know, Soros-backed group like this could easily pull something off because there's already sort of an underlying atmosphere of revolution, sort of. You know, like there's a lot of people that are better, that are kind of, now whether they'll do anything about it, I don't know. I mean, I think there's so many people that neutered, but there's a frustration. And it's on both sides, too. Yeah. But don't you see the problem with the, like, okay, so I think we'd agree the principle is the point,

right? So if somebody breaks the law, present the evidence, charge them to the crime. I think it's very simple. Like the game of going, you're a domestic terror. It's the point is if there's criminal activity, they don't need some larger app or some way to broaden out the context and be like, well, you're next to that person and you chanted the right thing. So you're part of the network. You know, it's, it's alarming to see how this is being played. I'm not disagreeing with anybody here.

And you, anybody in the chat about the reality of how this can be used and subversively to manipulate this country. The point is when we allow them to point to the thing they're in part creating, like you're saying, to rationalize the next steps, we're digging our own grave, right? And I think we just need to be very clear about the fact that you can have people out there and they break a window, they come. And even if you, if you can prove, and I mean, with evidence, nothing saying it online, that there is a network organized effort. They're online going, we got this funding. Let's go out and break all these windows or the plan was to plant a bond, then present the evidence and charge them. But outside of that, it becomes this abstract catch- argument where they can apply it to literally anybody just like they did against the right when it was the other way around, you know? And we were of the mind that everybody in a red hat was a terrorist because of the stupid thing to say. Just like not everyone in a black shirt and a mask is a terrorist or any of them, for that matter. You know, it just seems so easy to recognize how this will be used against us. And so when we frame it as like, you know, that they are this or they are that. It's the same as we were talking about as saying the government or we, you know,

it's like the reality is there are people that are doing things and we need to prove that and charge them with a crime. Everything else. else is the government taking advantage, in my opinion. American Al-Qaeda, just this put together this database that of pop-up agitators that just are some of them. Some of them are on the government payroll. Some of them are there for the party. Unfortunately, we're now in a digital era where regardless of what your intentions or how

you feel about an event, if you're there, if you're just actually there, your signal is being picked up by the flock cameras and the Reaper groans. Against Republicans. You know, you're getting, you're getting all this or you're, you're, you go to the, the Charlie Kirk funeral and all your info is picked up by Israel. Or you go to the Christian churches and I'll add some partnership deal where all your cell phone info is being tracked by, you know, all. So we're in this weird data collection where, are you a part of Antifa?

No. Well, how do you prove that? you were at the event. It's like, we're just going to pin your cell phone. And then that gets into some weird dystopian tech fantasy for these people where they start making associations based on where you are. And of course, that'll be wildly inaccurate, of course, but I think that might even be part of the equation. But, but, but to say, well, you were there, you know, like we, we, we deterred the pre-crime, you know, we've seen the pre-crime coming. Just like January 6th. Yeah. You know, it's, it's all the same game. You know, that's why I just really need.

conservatives of all this recognize how you know what a lot of them are doing and i get the the feeling of you know one revenge like you were just saying but or of going after what appears to be obviously a manipulated problem but don't take the bait right don't turn around to do the same thing where you start subjectively arguing that anybody there you know look being part of whatever they decide to call terrorist group you know it's it's it's look if they turn around and declared maga terrorist group the the argument legally would be that you are now a terrorist because you are are associated with that. Not because you ever committed a crime. It's arbitrary. It's exactly what the government can do about anything like they've done about groups that they've literally funded and

used against us throughout the world. So I just want to stress again that what they're doing with this is subjective, not to say that there's not provable evidence, but if they had that, they should present that and charge people individually with crimes. They're laying out a broad argument and then just going after people, by the way, who interestingly happened to be the same group that overlaps with people protesting and it's Israel for Palestine. What a coincidence. As Israel floods us with this information and floods us with, I mean, it's undeniable. You know, I don't know, I'm of the mind that that is a harder point right there for conservatives to identify because even conservatives that see a lot of the things we talk about are still, you know,

maybe of the mind of the left is the problem kind of thing. But I just don't know how we don't recognize that when most of them do see Israel and we can recognize the manipulation they're in, you know, how Palantir and ICE is not being used just against immigrants or even just against the left. You know, it's, we're building the cage around us, you know, and I, I just, I'd like to believe that more people out there can recognize how easy it is to use something like we started with, especially if it's built in the truth, like going after Antifa, you know, like, you think they're going to arrest George Soros? I don't.

And they're going to say that, you know, so that's my, that's the kind of the crux of the point. If they keep yelling George Soros and yet pick up a random kid with purple hair who's not even part of anything, just wearing a black shirt, you know, that's clearly not, you know, I'll say the last thing. You out there listening, if you believe I'm wrong, I could be. you show me when they get an organized, like something is charged. Here's our RICO case. Here's how we can prove the actual organized effort, not just individuals they're claiming, happen to be wearing a Palestinian flag.

You know, I argue you're going to recognize quickly if you focus on that, that it's never been about what they're claiming, just like it wasn't when it came to the right. They're not going to arrest George Soros. He's their partner with USAID and National Endowment for democracy. He's been doing regime change operations for them internationally for 30 years. he's, he's their man, or at least since the early 2000s, he's, he's their man. Yep.

You know, I agree. I agree. No, he's not going to jail. But they'll make a spectacle of it because they know how to, you know, they love the, the chaos of it all because in the aftermath of that, they can come and crack down on everybody and not, you know, so, so yeah, I hope the MAGA people can see this. It's, it's kind of important. It's kind of important to recognize this.

You don't want to walk into any traps. Again, like just a reminder that what has been done, you know, you know, when the government is using its force to go after the people that you want them to go after. Right. It's tempting if you're, it's tempting to be enthusiastic about that. But you just, you just have to understand that this is a, they're a soulless monster, the government. and they will turn on you. You cannot reason with them.

You can't sit them down and explain it all away. And this is why parents tell kids like early on, good parents tell kids early on, don't talk to the cops. Right. You're not going to go and explain it and make everything better. You're going to make everything, just don't do that. And so same thing.

Don't interact with your government. Don't go to these, don't walk into these traps. These are obvious, the J6, you mentioned that, J6, you know, I get it. you're angry. There's plenty of reasons to be angry. You want your voice to be heard and all of that. And you want to, and you think that in a big group, maybe that'll get your point across and CNN won't be able to pretend like you're not there. I understand all that. But like you have to think like the way they think. This is all intelligence driven. They're going to be, you're going to be gathering info on you. You're walking into a trap. And whether it's J6 or the next one that comes because there will be a reason and there'll be something that will happen as we know. that will get everybody whipped up into a frenzy demanding something be done. Just be careful about these problem reaction,

solution scenarios where we get into, where you start shaking your fist at the sky, demanding some solution that you would have never thought of years ago. And then you go, how did I even get here? Right. You know, and you just get walked in,

as David Ike says, the totalitarian tiptoe. You just kind of slowly walked yourself into it. Right. And, but awareness is just, just a massive key in this the whole time. As soon as you're aware that you're being watched

or you're aware that this is going on, it changes your perception of reality. And it puts you in a position to be less impacted by this. So to the extent that you can be paying attention and grab those people near you and say, hey, this is what I see. You might want to check it out. You know how it is.

You can't reach everybody. There's even some of your closest friends. There's just a wall there. But for those who have the eyes to see it They're the ears to hear it. Like, we have to get this information out to people because it would be a damn shame if somebody did something stupid because they got whipped up into a frenzy over some manufactured event

that could have very easily, they could have easily avoided. Yeah. And I argue that's, you know, in a large way how these things tend to happen. You know, the random people that do actually get kind of just worked up, you know, through psychological manipulation, through pro-war material, through antidepressants and, you know, whatever else happens. and I think that it's, you know, there are cases where I think these things are used like that.

But I also agree to, I believe that there are things that are organized too. But let's finish with a few points and finish with talking about, you know, with Israel overlap. But I'll include this for what we're just saying. This is a random account, Jack, $153,000, saying what, what the F? Shocking report reveals Mexican cartels are teaming up with left-wing terror networks inside the United States. This is just a, this is guys, play one, two, and three. I don't think our government truly knows how to. to recreate. This is just another angle of the same kind of tropes they've been using.

For all we know, it's real. I'm saying the idea is like every other repackaged idea of foreign policy and everything. This is the same old style the government always uses. They're offering massive cash bounties for the assassination of top border officials. Now, I would love to see any kind of evidence that can prove this actual break that we can, the left wings, terror, arming, working with cartels. What I think it probably stems back to is the obvious reality that the U.S. government has always worked with these cartels, including literally from August of this year. The DEA got caught laundering $19 million of cartel drug money into cash and crypto and even helped cover up that it happened.

Nobody cares about this. Patel's out there. No one's above the law or we're going after the drug cartels and they're poison while supporting vaccines and ignoring this story. Just it's funny. And then on what quick overlapping note, the DHS, remember the big raid with all the helicopters and in Chicago and they came down from the zip lines? it turns out that only one person that has a connection to Trenda Iaragua and that's it if that

ultimately provable they came in saying everybody in the entire building was trendy Aragua there's just so many lies swirling around all of this and on accountability eric doughtity simply says cashmettel announces the location of 5,400 children victims of criminals the location FBI's found the located all these children i've heard these kind of weird claims a bunch of times but i think as funny is even if he did good that's good i'm glad it happened but i feel it's weird There's a lot of these kind of statements that never seemed to be backed up with anything. But then, of course, most people going, good, good, where's the Epstein list? And I think it's funny.

Good. Did you, did 5,400 children, did you arrest anybody? Exactly where I was going. Right. Exactly. I'll point out Jones on 23rd talking about his big, big, big insights coming from the DOJ about everybody being wrapped up and marched away and back in 2024 doing the same thing about Klaus Schwab and Gates, everybody else, if we can keep Trump alive, you know,

or this Patel for the 45th time since he's been. in this position talking about how Nancy Pelosi is a terrorist and Obama as a criminal and, you know, and James Comey, it turns out, by the way, neither of James Comey or Letish James seem like they're actually going to be held accountable because the cases seem to be completely set up and fail. I just want to lay that out there, how ridiculous it is, that there's so much manipulation going on. And then I wanted to end with just talking about Israel. I've got points we can get into. But if you have any comments and all that, because I think this, you know, overlapping. I think what's crazy is that we can see that we're always, the two-party illusion is always kind of

driving us into a place where we're trying to pick sides. Right now, I've never seen more of a flimsy stance from this. I just don't know why anybody trust these people right now. It blows me away. No, it's tough. It's tough to take them seriously. But also, I feel like this may be, this is end of empire behavior. You know, it feels like they're stealing everything that isn't bolted down.

You know, the insanity is running rampant. It feels very disjointed. End of fourth turning-esque. We have financials. situations that are like blinking red indicators like gold going through the roof silver at all time highs you know all these things everything kind of happening at once it feels a little disorienting in in a sense so you come kind of don't know where if you're a finance guy of course you focus on the finance stuff but if you're if you're like you and I did we sort of cover

a little bit of everything I'm having a hard time prioritizing yeah I agree what I think is the most important because obviously the technocracy is is creeping and that's one of those things that if if you if they lock the door you're locked in there for good and that's a huge problem so that to me feels like the priority but then I look in and I see the social engineering happening and I go oh this we got to get a handle on this and then the frankin foods are out there and I go well maybe hang on a second right food is the most important thing we're all going to be eating poison if we don't focus on this and maybe the technocracy will collapse but we're definitely going to need the You know, so it feels like there's a lot, to quote Alex Jones, it's all happening.

But in this case, it might actually be. Yeah. But he's been right. He's just now that it actually starts, he doesn't talk about it. That's fantastic. But yeah. You've been screaming about it all happening forever. Yeah.

It's finally happening. Can we talk about it? But yeah, no, I, you know, I agree. I mean, it's just, it's, it's, it is, it's hard to. I mean, for me, I think it's, I think it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I mean, the most live stream genocide, if not the largest in time. I mean, everything about this is the biggest and most alarming thing I've ever seen in my life. And I don't even argue that there's anything else anywhere, not individually, like, you know, from an American perspective, but just in a global sense. It's, but yet I then, like you're saying, I'm like, okay, you know, as an American broadcasting, I've talked about what's going on there a lot and I'm going to continue to. It's like I try to like, is this more important today to focus on this move and the technocratic, you know, agenda and how it does connect Israel. You know, I, I, I, I've talked about. I I get, every day I go through that, which is very difficult to think about on top of the fact that if I, when I lay out everything, it's like, okay, that's an 18 hour show. I can't do that today. You know, it's like, I have to think about how I'm going to organize this. So it becomes this game. I haven't even call it that where you, what horrible, important thing am I going to put off today. It kills me.

Yeah. Yeah. For us, at least it's not lies by omission. We're not leaving them out because we're trying to manipulate. It's like, I talk about it the next. show. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to get to it. Yeah. It's just that I can't do it right now. I can't talk about that in this very moment because we're trying to put out another fire over here. We're trying to raise awareness of an issue that we think needs to need massive attention now because it's early on and something can be done about it. And so we're, you know, we're focusing on the technocracy. Does that not mean that we're worried about the vaccines? I'm definitely worried about that. And then as you mentioned, the crazy part is how it all interlocks anyway, you know, I mean, you, you, you could, you could only focus on the technocracy and still wind up in the

vaccine area. Right. Because of how you, how you get there through, through everything that they're doing with MRI. And so it's, it's just, in some respects, overwhelming. But I suppose the best thing to do for us is to just remember, like, take care of yourself, take care of your family, take care of the people close to you, the people you can reach, be proactive and everything that you do, you know, because you'll feel like you're doing some.

It's easy to feel kind of helpless when there's like all this bad news and you feel like, what am I going to do about it? Well, take care of you. You know, it sounds a little selfish, but like take care of the things that are controllable for you. Like, do you have storable food? Just get that and cross it off your list. You feel like you're on your way towards doing things. Get your money out of the bank or reevaluate that relationship with the bank and start doing the things that you know you should be doing now.

doing that and then being proactive in that regard, you start to feel less helpless and more like, well, I mean, it's coming, but at least I'm prepared in these aspects of my life. And I'm not wishing it to come, you know, but I've got my money out of the bank because I know that they can steal it and I know that they probably will. I just don't know what day that I'll be. So, you know, just things like that. So to people who are feeling a bit overwhelmed by it all, like I get it. It's, you know, I feel a overwhelmed sometimes by it all too but but when you really stop and think about like what is controllable what can you do like you're just going there's some low hanging fruit items that you can take care of for yourself and in doing that you'll feel like you're at least on the path

towards uh towards fixing things because it sometimes feels like all this stuff is unfixable well as as always we talk about you know i mean i mean this is just my opinion but i think it's pretty clear that it's a reaction to people seeing things that they haven't called out before you know It is a positive moment as much as it feels really uncomfortable. You know, we think people are starting to recognize long, hidden truths. How is that not a positive thing? You know, or the fact that what we're doing every single day, despite the, I mean, it's insurmountable almost in a lot of ways, the amount of resources and what they have to use against us.

And, you know, whether it's censorship or suppression or algorithms and AI or lawsuits, and yet we're still breaking through. Yeah. You know, I mean, that's pretty profound when you think about it. But, you know, before we wrap in general, And we tend to kind of aim for about an hour. I, if you have any thoughts on, you want to get into Israel for a minute or do you want to check on next time?

Yeah, no, let's, let's do that because I put an episode of macroaggressions that came out yesterday called Not Enough Money in the World. And I told people in advance, like, I'm unhinged in this one. But I've got receipts and it's not for nothing, right? I'm coming in hot on this one. I was pretty angry when I recorded that. I had seen, you know, just another, nonsensical press conference where they told us not to believe our eyes about what we're seeing

out there. And it just was one. It just hit me so hard. I've been working on this episode and I've been putting together all the stats, all the facts that I need to present. But from an emotional side, I just was shot out of a cannon in it. And I've had a lot of people get back to me and say, there you go. That was nice to see. I bet that felt good, you know, but but it doesn't feel good. wish I didn't have to do it. I wish I didn't have to think about this stuff. I don't want to be right about it. I don't want to be, you know, I don't want these people to be suffering in Gaza. I don't want this to be happening to them. I want to, you know, I just, I can't pretend like I don't see it. Yeah. I refuse to do that. And so here you go. And there it is. And so for those who are

interested, I mean, again, this is not a new story. But it, but sometimes. you just get it just makes you emotional. I mean, how can it not? It feels so empty because it's such a, what, I mean, it doesn't,

I can't do anything, you know, and it's hard. Yeah. Well, anybody that genuinely, you know, it's for,

I think most people I'd like to believe who genuinely care about, you know, have some kind of compassion. It's, it's, it's, you know,

especially I would argue from what, you know, we're in a position where at least to some degree, you can have an influence on people, people see things. You know, you can affect the conversation. And so it also comes along with a feeling of you that you're failing them to. You know, and I know what you mean. And it's, and it's not like it's putting us above, you know, it's a minor thing in, in the comparison to what these people are

dealing with. But, you know, it's like every day, you see that you can prove it. And it's like, maybe I could have done a little bit more. I could have pushed a little hard, maybe, you know, it's like, but, you know, we're doing what we can. It's just so disgusting that we're in a world where we have everything in front of us and you literally can prove what's happening. And the power structure is so broken and so tainted and so completely dismantled that they either don't care or aren't allowed to care. It's a very difficult situation. But I'll point this one out, by the way, I think is interesting as I absolutely do. I mean, I thought it to begin with. I think at this point, it's overwhelmingly clear, in my opinion, based on the evidence that this is very much connected

to Israel. I just want to point out that teacher in Franklin, by the way, teacher suspended over Charlie Kirk Post. And you can read about this. It is quite literally, I mean, let me just find it real quick to make the point. This is what she said on her post. So basically, Charlie Kirk had said in a previous post that it was worth it that people had been killed by guns because it's a God-given right. It's important. I think it's a valid statement. You can make a decision what you think is worth more or not. I don't think it's even insulting. He's simply saying that people will die and it's important, you know, whatever. But I also argue these Charlie Kirk did say things that I would argue were, you know, whatever. I don't agree with everything. What she says, don't worry, y'all after you

got shot. It's worth it. It's rational. It's prudent that I have to go through. regular drills of practicing how I will save the lives of students, practice back packing gunshot wounds, pressure kids. When they get shot at, I'll be there to protect them. And then it says, don't mourn his death, she wrote, it's just a piece of doing business, completely rational. That's what she, so look, this is what so crazy to me. Is that insulting to some people? Yes, do you find that to be tasteless maybe at the timing? Sure. But to argue in any way as a public school, which means government, that she could be removed from her job, which would be a violation of her First Amendment because she said something that insulted you guys that you're the

snowflake you're the broflake on the right at this point it's outrageous to me you know and let me i'll just list some of these points and we can just talk about all of them at the end you pointed this out which i think is important supporting and standing with israel this pastor said is america first i can't believe people are still putting this out there and as you said nobody's more delusional than christian zionists this person's griping about the fact that they that cnn frames that israel started this war which as you said they did it's just wild the grappling with this the catari air base they're now trying to pretend isn't real even though you can prove that it is all straight crazy stuff trump and gavin newsome wants you to believe genus go rights that they are different but both are slaves to the israel

lobby because they are it just is very clear i talked about right now and this is hopefully we get into a little bit as what's happening in gaza and the lying of the false ceasefire and the fact that the way i see it now netting yah was aiming to use these isis link gangs which are discussed within their kinesit it's very provable they've publicly discussed this isis link gangs that have been the ones stealing food for the entire time. Maybe other people too, but you can prove this. Or GHF lines where they've been shooting people who are coming for food. Now they're the ones literally out there executing people or being executed by Hamas and

they frame it as Hamas killing everybody in Gaza. Very weird. Oh, just daily reminder that this American third generation American from Florida is still in prison in Israel has been for seven months, eight months now. Anyway, just want to get those out there. People to remember. But, you know, where we are right now with this is really, really wild. You know, that it's about a left-right thing.

somehow, even though Israel's been manipulating all of our government and all of our country for quite a long time and is now, I guess, allowing us to, I mean, how do you read what's going on with the ceasefire? Let's just start there. Oh, well, of course, you can't trust ceasefires. I'm, I'm in favor of peace. So I'll take a ceasefire, even if it's a fake one, for as long as we can have it. If it actually stops it, but it actually stops things. Then you get the reports that it doesn't, you know. And listen, it's a one-way ceasefire because It's not like the Palestinians are, you know, at this point, fighting back in the way that's, you know, comparable to the Israelis. This is a, this is let's please stop the murder. I'm in favor of that. Do I and, and you know what? If it gets, if it gets people to stop dying, give Donald Trump whatever he wants, you know, I would agree with that things. I don't care. He's such an egotomaniac. That, that, that, that, that, that price has zero value to me. The people that gave it. They give it. They give that. They give that. They give that.

peace prize to Henry Kissinger for stopping the Vietnam War in 1973. The war didn't end until 75. Right. You know what I mean? Like it's it's been a worthless award for a long time. So, but I don't trust the Israelis to actually stop. We know what they want to do. A ceasefire is not in their best interest. It's not it's not what they want. They will eventually find a way to break it. and they already are in technical way. Yeah, if you're right. So I don't, you know, I don't go to bed saying, thank God that thing's been solved. You know, thank God Donald Trump went there and wrapped it all up.

Now nobody will die anymore. I don't obviously believe any of that. That has to be one of the most frustrating parts in all of this is how many people, I mean like Ben Shapiro level, including Ben Shapiro, that came out and been like, all you people calling for ceasefire, why are you so silent right now? as they're posting that, I can prove that Israel was bombing and killing people in Gaza, or that they were doing any number of other things that clearly violated,

like the closing of Rafa or the restricting of food or, you know, kidnapping Palestinians and posting it on Instagram, you know, and yet they're out there going, why aren't on top of the fact that it's not even actually an end? It's only a ceasefire. And on top of that, you know, it's like, it just kills me that that's what they're doing and acting like somehow you just got what you wanted. Or saying that's an end of the war, he could jump, but I'm with you. Give him that.

I don't care if it actually stops this. but I think we can clearly prove just like last time that Israel is intent already showing you that they are not going to stop this. They already said that they're going to force Hamas to disarm, even though Trump had already told them within the deal that they were allowed to rearm for a period of time. And they're sort of using that confusion to act like they're violating you right now. It's all so disgusting, man. And people are still suffering, as usual. Yeah. It's, it's a, it's been a gross stain on humanity the last couple of years to watch this. But if anything good comes out of it, and it's not going to be much compared to the

devastation there. But if anything good does come out of this, it will be that there is not enough money in the world for Israel to fix this public relations mess. Oh, yeah. That's long. That's over, you know? Over for them. They're done forever, okay, for as long as we remember, for our lifetimes. And they've made a serious miscalculation with the younger demographics, the generation. you know there those guys are gone they're not coming back they've memified you they've turned you into a joke it's over for you you know there's boomers you know you've we've got what right-leaning boomers that are supportive of it i mean they're all they're all quadruple jabbed so how much longer are they going to be around this is this if this is a if if israel was a stock you would be

shorting it yeah i mean well and you've seen the republic and the $7,000 funding, like the very public discussion of Dengau who's saying that. Like, at what point did that just become a public relations engagement? Like, it's just, it's wild to me. Maybe he didn't think that that was going to be recorded and put out. I mean, I don't know. It's pretty wild. But then you get those people like that Xavier guy going out.

Did you see that he literally put the Israeli flag over the American flag? That was pretty widely shared. I just don't even understand. I mean, but this is why I argue that most conservatives, and I truly do believe this. Let me take your thought again. and we bring this up every time, are actually seeing through this right now. I think that's pretty easy to prove. What do you think?

I, I, they've lost a lot of conservatives. Yeah. They've lost, they've lost a lot. And it's been in, and look, I mean, for some people, it's been Israel's behavior on the battlefield, if you can call it that. And some of it has been Israel's behavior in the church and with the Christian Zionism component of this. And they're starting to see their.

their religious, the Christian religious leaders with huge followings like Pastor Greg Locke, you know, talk about Israel in a very unnatural way that feels almost like blink twice if you're being held against your will sort of stuff. But then you realize how much money is flowing in and you realize there's probably more money than anything that this guy maybe actually believes it. So there's a, they're losing the PR war on the battlefield, of course. They're losing it in social media, it's a catastrophe there. And then they're losing it in the church. And then, of course, some of these kind of blur together and the people who are in church are on social media and they're talking, they're showing these videos saying, look at this, get a load of this guy. He's out of his mind

talking about this. Kenneth Copeland, take a look at this lizard person guy. He's going on and on about this or that. And so people are starting to ask questions. And, you know, and Israel's trying to prevent them from getting the answers they don't want. But that is, this. This is just a case study and stricane effect you know right you just can't you know and the funniest component of it is that they they turned the seven thousand dollars thing into a meme that is funny even if the person isn't taking israeli money right so it works either way if they are taking it it's a shaming of 7000 if it's just somebody who has just happens to have a pro-israel opinion then you go in the comment section you're free 7000 7000 7000 7000 that is

hilarious. And that is tough for them to come back from. They're like, no, but I wasn't thinking it's like, it doesn't matter. I thought you were going to take the other direction. I thought, see, what I've seen is, and I think this is even better. And so, you know, basically the point is, you know, you're being paid $7,000. You can prove it. Over here, you're going, well, you're doing it for free, moron.

Like, right. There's that. Well, yeah, yeah, you, because you can cook them either way. Yeah. For being too stupid to take the $7,000 or you can cook them for for taking the $7,000. Either way, it's bad. And that's what they've found is that they've, they've angered the Reddits, you know, the Redditors out there. And once you do that, they'll turn your, they'll turn you into a joke.

And then it's like Quicksand, the more you struggle, the more they pile on. And that you just can't win this. So, and of course, nobody's going to, you know, nobody. And it's not like everybody just woke up one morning and decided to be mean to Israel, too. they're murdering women and children by the tens of thousands. And then laughing about it on social media. And there is plenty of reasons to be upset about this. So it's, you know, I never, I really sort of thought,

I remember when I wrote my octopus of Global Control book in 2017, or I put it out in 2017, I have two chapters in there about Israel. And I remember thinking like, this is edgy. You know what I mean? Now I look back and I think, boy, like how irrelevant would the book have been if I didn't have that in there? Right. Because it would have just been a huge blind spot.

But I saw it back then. And it's only gotten worse or more pronounced, I should say, or more out in the open. And but it was annoying back then because it's like, oh, you feel like they want to manipulate us so that we'll be more favorable to Israel. Well, I get it. You know, the Chinese probably want to do the same thing. Oh, yeah. But it's turned into something now. where it's like, no, we want you to go in front of the American people and tell them they don't

see what they're seeing. And it's like when you do that, when you're asking people to not see a genocide, you know, I suppose if you allow yourself to be blinded to that, boy, man, I don't know, I don't have much respect for you. I think that it's been a wake up call to a lot of people. And as the old Navajo proverb goes, you cannot wake a person. who is pretending to be asleep. I like that. Yeah. I mean, I think, and that's the most app, like right where we are, you know, where people are,

I mean, I guess even though you could frame that is that people are choosing to believe that they're asleep when you can clearly tell that they're faking it. You know, it's like there's there's so many people out there who are showing themselves to be, I mean, look, like you said, you could either argue that they just aren't incapable of seeing this, which is more than enough to be like, I should never listen to this guy ever again or they're choosing to hide it which is i mean disgusting i mean there's not even words to grapple like the idea of not just you know it's just there's so far up far over the top and i think this speaks to the much larger point of all of what's been happening was zionism and what this was

post october seventh was their miscalculation to it to a deadly effect i mean very much so that they thought that they could go let we're going to finish this this this year you know and really what they did was shoot themselves in both feet and now there's no putting that genie back in the bottle and Americans are calling it out. And now our government is punishing us for it is what it feels like to me. It certainly does. It certainly does. It feels like our government is punishing us for noticing what's been going on with them the whole time. How dare you? I dare you call this out. Obviously because they're culpable, right? They're literally criminal. You know, what they're doing is either either or maybe blackmailed and threatened, which maybe they would feel internally that's not their

fault. But either way, they all seem to have a weirdness around Epstein, around Israel, I mean, you know, you could, we should be objective and say maybe it's not exactly what I think, but it speaks for itself. It is obvious, guys. And I know we all see it. I just, all I'm doing every time is calling on people to stand up and call it out, you know, make it clear for people that next to you that, yeah, I see it too. You're not crazy.

You know, we all recognize this. And just it's about government power. That's all it really comes down to, you know. But I think that let's end with one point, just asking you, like this point and overlapping around the Katari Air Base, which I very much think is just more of an extension of Israel's agenda, quite frankly. Where do you see that right now in regard to, let's just say, Israel's influence on U.S. policy? Where do you feel that is the line is at right now? Which is our opinion, by the way, completely.

I think whatever Israel wants, the American government does. I really just don't. I agree. I just don't know if there's much room between the two of them. They seem pretty interlocked, be that because they actually have some ideological overlap, which they do, or because they're captured in some way. But I don't see much daylight between the American foreign policy and Israeli foreign policy or anything having to. I guess that were technically the domestic policy of Qatar Air Base here. But that, you know, I could envision a scenario where Netanyahu says, that's not going to.

happen or or you know like we're not you guys aren't doing that come on yeah yeah so and and frankly we shouldn't be doing that we we there's a lot of things we shouldn't be doing it we shouldn't be doing it because israel doesn't want us to do it do it we should not be doing it for for our own sovereignty and not be allowing foreign air bases inside of i mean it's just you you have to ask questions about where people's loyalties lie and i don't you know i'm not somebody that gets all weepy about the American flag and wrap myself in it or anything like that. But I do think that there is a case to be made that, like, you can't allow foreign countries military to open bases inside your country.

I mean, you're like when we do that in Iraq and Syria, that is most definitely against their will or maybe we've installed a government who then allows it. But in the early stages, it's not your, you don't do it because you're friends. I mean, this is not the Saudi relationship. It feels very much like the beginning of some sort of infestation. So I would say, let's not do it for anybody. Israeli, Qatari, Saudi Canadians, to be on a safe side. All of them.

Nobody, right? Nobody gets their bases here. And I would add, too, though, to what I said in the beginning. I mean, I know what the presentation is and how it's presented. We can't miss that Qatar was used as the facilitator of funding to Hamas through Israel, right? There's one point. There's a lot of those, though. And I think that like with Egypt and UAE, that these are, it's nuanced, as always, multifaceted.

There's different angles to it. But at the end of the day, I think that that represents an Israeli interest in this country. As much as they say otherwise, and we don't want that, or yet the loomers out there going, it's Qatari influence over our politicians, you know. I think there's a reason there, but I think we have to recognize what that really represents. A lot of these, you know, fake, like, I shouldn't call like that, but, you know, I think like with Egypt, that's one of the most obvious examples, regime change, put that person. in power to be more amenable to Israel.

The population does not like Israel, right? It's very, that I think that's a lot of what we see right there, why most of them, even Jordan, have failed to help Palestine, right? And so I think we have to think about the way that these regime changes have been used and not see them as necessarily what they want you to see them as. So I look at Qatar Air Base as might as well be in Israeli Air Base. That's how I kind of think of that. But either way, I agree, it should not be happening.

Yeah, I'm just in favor of them not. And by the way, I'm in favor of us closing our air bases all over the world as well. I want us to be out of Syria. And I mean, of course, it doesn't matter what I think or what I want. And I know why we're there. But I'm not somebody who's like, America, you know, get all, you know, I want our stuff back to. This is not, this is not how you behave when you, when you set up your military bases in other countries, you know, it's, it's not even, you know, even our relationship with Saudi Arabia, sometimes feels like a hostage situation. It is.

It is. It's a fake state. I mean, Saudi Arabia was basically set up in regard to the way they wanted this family to rule based on the interest of these foreign powers. I mean, it's not hard to see that. But, you know, I would argue that it really comes down to the principle of it all, right? It's to open an air base forcefully on someone else's country violates their sovereignty, right? It's not we pretend what Americans have always thought we were, what we are, what we're doing, you know? So it goes back to the origin point of what we were designed as, you know, even if you think that was never what they truly intended. I believe that there was an origin point where

it won out in that room discussing what we wanted this country to be. And that was a republic, right? And that was an idea that we were about defense, right? It was not about an empire. It was about the, as Bruce points out, the, you know, marching to your own drum, like the idea of the thinker and like the world and how we see, you know, are, like, ultimately we worry about our own.

We were able to defend ourselves. We go to war only if people are attacking us. We do not go out and look for empire control. And, you know, we've long since lost touch with that. I mean, we just act like we have to because they would come after us. Otherwise, I frankly don't even think that's true. Well, it might be true now after all the things we've done around the world. I mean, it certainly would have the justification to do it.

But even still, like, we're protected on both sides. I mean, the way to get America isn't an armada pulling up on the coast of Baltimore. It's to do it from the inside and subvert us internally. and to weaken us culturally and morally and to base our currency and get us thinking differently. And of course, I think a case can be made that we've been conquered, at least on some levels, by these forces. And because of our geography, topography, and amount of straight up military power that we have, you can't hit us head on. You have to be more subversive about it. And unfortunately, we, the Americans, this society, this culture, very susceptible to it.

And we get manipulated very easily. And we've allowed the barbarians inside the gate. And they have changed our society in a way that is very different than the way our parents grew up and the world is gone. And I would argue that that is, you know, you may interpret that as any number of things, right? one of which could be the idea of immigration and how it's changed the country. But that doesn't make sense with the idea of the original mindset of this country. But any of those could be weaponized of any kind to, but the point is about the principle and criminality, right?

You know, at the end of the day, we can clearly see where lines are crossed. But the moment governments create like an abstract lens to look through to then you, it's always the wrong step, you know, and I think that's historically been very, very clearly proven. But I, you know, I think that what we're seeing is the continuation like you're talking about of the decline of this framing it. otherwise. And I just, you know, we need to get back to first principles. It's, it really is, let's put it this way. It's near less, far, far less likely for us to be manipulated if we

are erring aggressively on the side of what we believe our principles, our integrity. You know, it becomes much more difficult for any of them. But to the end point about foreign governments, you know, I would argue that even if with like a government mindset thinking, you know, now that, let's just say Americans, the vote to get rid of our government entirely, the worry, the argument is that, oh, China will. come in and invade and conquer. Well, you know, you could argue maybe that's been in their attention. You can argue that maybe they would want to do it in retaliation. But I think what we've, I think that the powers we're dealing with today are the responsible entities for why we have in the world we do.

Not that there wouldn't ever be somebody that would rise back to that and decide to do the same thing. But at the end of the day, I don't think it's logical to think that they would do that for retaliation or that it would even be in their interest in either sense with what you just described. You know, it's in a long, it ends up, if your goal is empire and conquering and control, then it would because you're willing to sacrifice anything. The question is, is that what they all want? You can see that's what Israel wants. That's very easy.

And you can see that Israel's through their own actions, creating that what the American government wants. But I think it's worth asking whether that is truly what everybody would ultimately seek. And I would argue it's worth finding out at the very least. You know, but any final comments for us, brother, on the way out? I always appreciate coming on here. It's just, it's a great place to come and just work out some of these ideas because it's, you know, I reserve the right to change my mind about things if I'm presented with better

information, you know, and it's so hard to know what's, what's really going on out there. But I think we're, I think we've done a pretty good job of recognizing, uh, the narrative crafters and what they're pushing and why they want it and, in the manipulation through the media. It's, we've gotten, I think, better at it, at recognizing this. But it's, still a struggle. And ultimately at the very end, I just want to, I just, it just seems so frustrating to me, all of the energy that we collectively as a society spend on all of this nonsense, starting wars, you know, keeping people down, manipulating people, just if a tenth of this energy was focused on like, I don't know, actually improving people's life, we have all this

We have all this technology and how it could be used. What does it get used for? Immediately, military, when it could be used for helping people. It's frustrating in that regard. So I, you know, I, I, I, I watch this world. I feel very uncomfortable sometimes. I'm trying to be optimistic. I think awareness is probably the best, you know, the key for us.

But boy, it's, you know next month when we do this I worry about you know what are we going to be talking about them can't be worse right please tell me it can't be worse right it can't be they can't still be they can't still be murdering people in Gaza right next month when we do this please tell me that's not going to be happening

you know and so I I think some of these topics because they're heavy take a toll on us just as observers and imagine the toll from being there, actually being there. You talk to Vanessa Bealey all the time, right? I mean, she's as close to it as anybody I know. And I can't, I mean, I'd do such a disservice by even trying to imagine what that would be like. What an insult, you know, I couldn't imagine. But just because I can't be there and don't want to be there and couldn't feel it doesn't mean I won't talk about it, you know, and do whatever I can do and whatever you can do to do it. And is it,

Is it enough? No, it's never enough. Of course not. But it's, it's something. And it's, and it's part of this change. It's part of this change in the zeitgeist or the just the understanding of where we are. Like if some people are finally starting to ask questions, what are we doing here? Why is it like this? It doesn't have to be this way. Who is ruling over us? Why are we not allowed to criticize them? And what does this all mean? So hopefully good things come out of this. Hopefully this is just the hard part, the hard awakening where you're still grog. and it all feels like a dream. But, you know, I'll see you next month and we'll do it all again.

Absolutely, man. Well, you know, I'll end with the thing that I often point out, which is that, you know, I do already believe that. I believe that this is, you know, it is a, there are positive outcomes with the fact that people are seeing it, calling it out, breaking down these lies. Those are positive changes in and of themselves. Now, look at it this way. And this is what plenty of Palestinians have pointed out as well.

Israel's genocidal reaction is the consequence of what they're fighting for. And the point is that that's Israel's responsibility. They committed genocide, but it is awoken the worlds to what's always been happening. Now, nobody would have wanted to make that exchange. Like the idea that that's worth it, it's crazy. But the point is that to understand that regardless of whether it's justified, which is clearly not, the consequence of what they've done has succeeded with what Palestinians have been trying to accomplish for a very long time,

which is to get the world to pay attention to what they've been dealing with. And that is, again, my point was that, you know, Israel's reaction could have been different. And that's still what the positive thing would have been, everyone sees this now, maybe without the reaction, it'd have been different. The point, though, is there's a lot of those positive things to see. It's hard to see through the lens of an ongoing genocide or any other thing we're talking about. Like, as our country gets more and more authoritarian, it's hard to see the positives that are taking place, that people are starting to break down these classically held lies.

you know, but I just think it's worth to continue to reflect on that. You know, I don't think we're in a world where the government's going to go, oh, you see us, you win, it's over, you know, it's not going to happen. They're going to do, they're going to fight tooth and nail to make your life as hell, as hellish as possible to get back to where they can control it. So recognize that and try to find the positive side of breaking through these things and stand up and fight for it because that's what we'll be doing, you know. But yeah, I agree.

Thank you for being your brother. And we'll definitely talk about this more. And I think the more that people have these conversations, the more that this stuff can, you know, It makes it a little bit more easier to endure to at least try to understand why we are where we are and again, why positive momentum is being had. So thanks again, brother. And as always, there's be out there. Question everything. Come to your own conclusions.

Stay vigilant.