The Last American Vagabond - Charlie Robinson Interview - What The Hell Is Happening? (3/11/26)

Episode Date: March 11, 2026

Joining me today is Charlie Robinson, here once again to discuss the madness that is partisan politics, and the chaotic nature of the world today. Charlie will be periodically joining Ryan to discuss current events, political machinations, foreign policy blunders, and just good old fashioned two-party illusion naivety. Our conversations will be focused on whatever is most current in our minds as we do our best to decipher “what the hell is happening?”Source Links:(20) Macroaggressions Podcast with Charlie Robinson (@macroaggressio3) / XHome - Activist PostCharlie Robinson Interview – What The Hell Is Happening? (1/28/26) - YouTubeNew TabTrump’s New $2B WHO, FDA Walks Back Food Dye Ban & The US Gov’s Long-Documented Cartel ConnectionsTrump’s AG Pam Bondi is moved to heavily-guarded military base after threats over Epstein files and from cartels: report - NewsBreakNew Tab‘It was insane’: Trump White House caught by surprise over Sunday blow-up - NewsBreakBreaking News AppBreaking News AppNew TabBreaking News AppBreaking News AppBreaking News AppThe Wiretap: The DEA Laundered $19 Million Of Cartel Drug Money Into Cash And CryptoHORMUZ STRAIT Ship Traffic Live MapStargate: Trump Partners with Technocrats to Promote mRNA Injections, AI, and TranshumanismUS/Israel Illegally Bomb Iran Killing Over 100 SchoolchildrenBitcoin Donations Are Appreciated:www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/bitcoin-donation(3FSozj9gQ1UniHvEiRmkPnXzHSVMc68U9f)The Last American Vagabond Substack is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to The Last American Vagabond Substack at tlavagabond.substack.com/subscribe

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spinning the wheel of chaos. It's happened. What the hell is happening? Oh, that's in the background. Well, welcome to another episode of What the Hell is happening. Always a great time to talk about what the hell is going on with all the chaos in the world today. Oh, you know what? I actually forgot we have our new intro.

I wanted to play this clip right at the gate since this is something interestingly with what we start. We ended up last time saying something very interesting that I'm sure many of you already thinking about since Charlie's done a couple of interviews in the fact. But here's how we ended last, last, what was this? end of January, right? I believe. Here's the end of the interview. Good to see you, Ryan. I'll check in. Well, I'll have, I'll have plenty to report back after after Mexico, I'm sure. Hopefully there's no weird events like last time, weather events or whatever else. I hope you, you know, stay safe out there. Well, they always like to throw a little curve ball our way, but we're,

we're resourceful. We always find a way to figure it out. It is pretty crazy, right? Charlie, how are you? Well, in this case, to be fair, this wasn't necessarily directed at the people of an archipulco. And it was happening elsewhere. And it happened a couple days after the event. Actually, it happened on the Sunday following the event ending on Friday. I say event ending. There were events going on Saturday and Sunday at the convention center as well.

But it was dollar vigilante related. So I, yeah, I had a, you know, I had. you know, I had a fantastic week leading up to that. And I got in and out without any sort of problems. I left on the Saturday before, just because I was scheduled to. And everything kicked off the day after. But in terms of the pyrotechnics that happened, you know, it was, it was funny because we had some of the greatest investigative journalists around in the area. So as soon as it kicked off on Sunday morning, Patrick Henningson from 20, 21st Century Wire is there. Josh Sigurdson from World Alternative Media lives there. He just came out of his house and it was going on. Dan Dix from Press for Truth, they were down there.

So they just grabbed their gear and went out in different directions and filmed what was happening. And what was happening was actually a bit of a show. Really. Ultimately, that's what it was. Now, scary. And I'm not trying to be dismissive of anybody who was caught in that. But what, didn't happen was them pulling people off the bus lining them up and shooting them all that didn't happen and what didn't happen with cab drivers getting dragged out and shot and in in you know in the what did happen was the cabs were lit on fire the buses were pulled over the people were taken off put up you know outside and then the bus were lit on fire the oxo convenience stores the equivalent of like a 7-11 in mexico they were lit on fire but they all all three of those components have relationships with

the cartel. They operate as buses and taxis and convenience stores at the behest of or with the express written approval of the cartels and Major League Baseball. They're allowed to operate. And if you, if the cartels decide that they have, it's time to do a little show of force, then maybe your convenience stores and your cabs and your buses get burned down. But that's the cost of doing business. But what didn't happen was they didn't destroy the tourism industry by going into the hotels and taking people out in the lobbies and doing all the things that they could have done. So in some respects, it was a bit of terrorism theater, which is good. I'm glad, as opposed to it being the real thing. But when it's happening, you know, you don't know. You don't know how long it's going to go. And the rumors were they're going to the hotels. They're going to start doing that.

So it was an interesting time to be paying attention to, you know, that sort of street theater. I wasn't there. I'm glad I wasn't there. Not that I want to be there for it. But, you know, I knew it two dozen people who were still there having to deal with that sort of situation and the chaos that comes with it. So I guess it's a reminder to everybody. You know, everything's normal until it's not. And when the normality ends, and you are thrust into chaos,

you have to become an expert on your situation immediately. And that is tough to do, especially if you're in a foreign land. But I think it was probably ultimately, maybe a good thing for anybody who sort of experienced that. It's a dress rehearsal for what can happen when the lights go off or the power goes off or chaos sparks because it doesn't take too long for people to go from normal to looting

if they think that they're going to be out of food in a couple of days, they'll make some decisions that they wouldn't normally do. So it's just another reminder about how fragile things can be and how normal is always kind of an air quotes and that that is subject to change pretty much on a moment's notice. And, you know, those out there that would be driven to loot, first of all, you know, people in positions like that, if desperate, anybody I think could get to that position.

But it shows you in an early position like that or the time, you know, that that's somebody he wasn't prepared. That's a lesson for this, right? Like you wouldn't need to be rushing out to loot for things you might need. If not because of what's coming tomorrow, what they said might happen, but just because you're always prepared because you have water and resources and things you have,

you know, the important thing to think about. But when you say about theater, how to what end? And how do you read this whole thing? So I would like, in your mind, what actually went down and comparing it

to both the mainstream alternative and mainstream coverage of what they claimed happened? You know, what's your insight on that and how you, see it going down and if it was theater, you know, to what end by whom, you know, how do you see that? So if you're the cartel and your guy gets whacked, you have to retaliate. But you have to be careful on how that retaliation is framed because if you, there's ways in which you can let the world know that you're angry and that you're not going to stand for this, which is, I think, what they did.

And then there's other ways in which you can burn your bridge after you've crossed it and take the, you know, and really sort of fight. If the cartels wanted to fight with the Mexican government and make things untenable for the government, they would destroy the tourism industry. And they could have done that that day. That would have been, there's six and a half million people that come through just Puerto Vallarta every year. So even if it was just limited to Puerto Vallarta, which it wasn't, it was happening elsewhere. but that would be enough to throw in, you know, just an economic catastrophe. So we've got that going on. And so when I say theater, I mean, if the cartel doesn't respond, that's a sign of weakness on their part, right?

So they do have to respond in a way that the cartel recognizes violence, fires, explosions. And by that, to be fair, the cars exploding, they're exploding because their tires are blowing out, right? It's not like they were rigged with C4 and they were, you know, they were lit on fire. they were made to catch on fire, but they weren't rigged with like detonators and, you know, things like that. The point is the point being that they're doing this to demonstrate a response, but knowing that they don't want to do it to where it will cause some kind of larger spin-out, but sort of just like, you know, pushing back slightly.

So do you think that that is, so you see it as genuinely that the Shiningbaum, the president of Mexico took this action unilaterally because of whatever reasoning was and the cartel just responded. You don't see any influence? I don't know if it was unilateral. I don't know if they're like, how do you see this playing in the larger sphere? Because a lot of the conversation, and this is not, for those that are new to this conversation, this is not some kind of let's just find a way to tie in the elements, you know, like Israel,

the United States. There's a wildly clear documented track record of the U.S. and Israel training cartel members, as I know you were, going back to, I mean, even before, but, you know, the most notorious in regard to, it's slipping in my mind all of a sudden. They made Netflix documentaries about him. the cartel No, no. God, it's so crazy to me.

The one of the most famous, the Netflix did a whole thing about him. It doesn't matter. I'm sure everyone knows what I'm talking about. One of the most famous, a Cinaloa cartel, I believe, and the one and what's his name? Not Choppos, the one that was before that. But anyway, I swear it's so crazy that somebody in the chat will probably say it.

My point is that there's documented reports or interviews or, you know, where they're training. I mean, even Israeli media caught that reported on Israel getting caught doing that. And so the conversation becomes is this about some kind of a different, like right now, I think a lot of people are beginning to recognize that there's a different way the world actually works. That's a global thing, right? And that's to this local point about whether or not there's involvement with the cartels, like the DEA getting caught in 2025, literally helping them launder their money, about whether this was something that was shining bomb, like maybe stopping that. And this was a response to, try to push back on some kind of affecting.

And this isn't even unique to you as in Israel, but like a global network of control. Do you see anything that goes that direction or how else do you see that? That's kind of what I was getting at. Like the bigger. Yeah. My mind immediately went to Eric Holder and Fasten the Furious. Pablo Escobar. Thank you, Gabe.

I can't believe I didn't remember his name. Yeah. So, so immediately I started thinking of Fast and Furious, right? So running guns into Mexico. So again, it's like, oh, the cartels are setting off these bombs. are committing violence. It's like, yeah, with the weapons that we sent them. Okay. And then I started to think, well, also Israel is sending weapons as well. And they're doing training. So what is that? What's that? So what it isn't, I think what it isn't is it isn't the government versus the cartel.

I don't think of that. Right. That's the government. I think the government in the cartel have a mutually parasitic relationship, right? They need each other. Or maybe the government doesn't need the cartel, but the cartel is there and they have to deal with it. They can, and so I don't see them as, maybe, well, maybe they are sworn enemies, but I don't see that as preventing them from working with each other when they need to. So I'm always a bit suspicious about this. I have, maybe you, maybe you can help me work this out because we've got Claudia Scheinbaum, president of Mexico, Jewish, yet her policies seem to be very supportive of Palestinians, which has thrown me for a loop. I don't know what to make of that.

I'm the point about whether it's, you know, it's not just being Jewish is not necessarily the tie. It's the Zionist element of the Jewish or Christian side of it. So I think that that's, you know, but I go ahead. Sorry, I mean to cut you off. I'm not an important part we should go into. Go ahead. My assumption is she wouldn't be, she wouldn't be the president of Mexico if she was just Jewish. She'd have to be Jewish and Zionist. To me, I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. But to me, that's a, that's an important factor to get into because I do think that that's, whether Jewish or Zionist

independently or, you know, just Jewish or just science, that there's, there's, there's, elements of manipulation from the outside. Yeah. And I think that does matter. Like, that's the, that's people out there that want to, to argue that the Zionist discussion or Israel is devoid of a Jewish element are lying as well, right? So I think it's always important to highlight that. But please continue your point. Yeah. So I'm, you know, I wondered about this, since it didn't break off into a continued escalation of violence, that it felt kind of like pro wrestling. And, and, and look, you can get hurt for real when you're fake wrestling. So it's not to be, it's not, it's not, it's not that, oh, all of this is fake. No, it's, it's real, but it's controlled.

controlled, controlled aggression. It's controlled bombs. You know, it's, we're going to, and we see this a lot in war, too. Like, oh, they launched a drone strike against Iran and then Iran has to retaliate. They have to retaliate, but maybe they retaliate by saying, we're going to send a missile tomorrow at 2 o'clock PM and hit this place right here. Make sure everybody's out. Don't you agree? That's what happened last time. Like, I feel like there was in-stribe reports that that's ultimately what happened, but Israel just took advantage of it after the agreed kind of back and forth. That's what it looks like. What a surprise. What a surprise. So, so. So, yeah, I am always looking for whatever is under the surface, right? The obvious is the cartels versus the government. But we know that there's more than that. So I guess I'm wondering how this plays into Israel's pretty, I don't know if they've come out and publicly stated this, but for those of us who have been paying attention,

there has been a pivot to South America. by the Israelis. They're they're they're they're you know, we're starting to hear about Patagonia and we're obviously with Argentina and Malay and and and Venezuela gets gets a Maduro removed and then they normalize relationships with with Israel immediately and start selling their oil to Israel immediately. And so you say, okay, so Israel is definitely looking like Operation Condor 2. I don't know. They've got their their eyes set on South America and and I would say Central America as well. So so is. So. Is this just the beginning of sort of the Pax Judaica in the Western Hemisphere?

Well, I think that's exactly. What I think we have to always remember is it's not one or the other. I mean, we can, I think we should and have in the past discussed which one might be more guiding the other between the U.S. and Israel. That's an important conversation because who's to say? I think I have my opinion. But I think, you know, both of these agendas are the same today, right? So it's clear that the U.S. has had this Monroe Doctrine sort of our hemisphere perspective for a really long time, right? And clearly, that's kind of ebbed and flowed. I mean, I think

it's never really stopped, but the narratives have changed. Today, it's just gone, hey, like, it's just, it's crazy how on the, I think it's, I think what Israel's driving through this administration is to make all of this happen. Like, I think Netanyahu personally feels that his window is closing on when he can effectively make all this happen. And so Iran's, his wet dream of Iran is literally taking place. And I think he, his calculus is, well, we have to bring Lebanon immediately involved, because otherwise we might get this, but then Lebanon will still be there. And I think Netanyahu feels that he might be losing power soon. And that's what Israel's saying.

And so I think all of this is sort of mashing this into one large agenda. I think it has to do with the AI direction, the control grid, rare earth minerals, Venezuela, lithium, you know, golden oil as well. I think that's what this is. And so I think you're right, though, but I think the Israel sort of focusing might just be that all of this is their common agenda at this point. And I think, or you could argue that this was always what Israel wanted and they're driving the U.S. to do it, right?

But at this point, I just see it as one thing. one conglomerate, you know, and I do, that's why, so I think you're right, but I just see it as, like, part of the larger ongoing agenda of mashing together their kind of religious Zionist, prophetic agenda with this kind of AI control structure. It's kind of like all in one thing. I mean, look, they're building a Gaza freedom city technocratic control structure in Gaza, which right there is your overlapping point, you know, really quickly before I get past it, just to make sure that it wasn't confusing before. I could remember Pablo Escobar's name. And the point is that's the Medellin cartel, different location, but the point is you can see

them funding all of these different cartels. Like you can see them funding the Rwanda conversation. You can see them funding in regard to the Bosnia genocide. It's not a secret. Just for case that was my point was just trying to remember all the different evidences showing that they're like literally on almost on the surface working to arm the very people that the government's outwardly saying is the bad guy we're fighting. The history like that is so ridiculous.

And so that's what I'm wondering back to you, that's kind of full circle to what you just said is if this was in some way maybe manufactured involvement with her to get some kind of outcome. But the way I felt that made sense when I first saw it, because Sean, Sean, as you pointed out, has been pretty resistant in a lot of ways. Health-wise, more than most, like pushing back on the GMO corn discussion on a lot of their kind of inflate, you know, the bio overlap. But I see things as well that maybe wonder whether there's more collaboration. So I wondered whether this was her just deciding to kind of just, you know, maybe cut off the head of the snake in regard to how they manipulate Mexico, if that's the way you read that. I thought that

was an interesting thought, and we should be considering that. So, you know, any thoughts on that and then like how do you see this like do you feel like anything changed and you know what else to add to this that you saw because you were there you know at least that you were there during certain points and you've talked to a lot of people that were there as it was happening you know yeah i i i i i just keep wondering if you know she ran the gauntlet and survived the 30 other politicians that got killed it's not like you just lose the the race in mexico it's like they hang you from the bridge so I wonder, you know, I just wonder how much you, how much power you really have once you get into that position.

You know, you're constantly reminded that you're one step away from them blowing up your motorcade or, you know, shooting you and you're grabbing your kids or whatever. I mean, so. Imagine that's how much. Like, think about that Americans. Imagine that's how this country operates too. And we just don't let ourselves see that, like an Epstein point or anything else, you know? Of course. I think that's a calculus that most people need to, to put.

use, you know, to run through their internal filter when they start seeing people saying and doing things that they don't normally say. It's like, well, have you considered that maybe they've been pulled aside and threatened? Because, you know, you're going to make a decision. Let's say you're going to vote one way or another and you're a senator. You know, you're, you may have to make a vote simply because you want to stay alive. Or your family wants to stay alive. And you can be dismissive of that. And you go, oh, you guys. This is. This is. big boy politics. This is the type of games where people go missing all the time or their cars blow up or things like this. They're not playing around. So when it comes down to this, I think that

people need to always remember. Now, you may get into politics for all the right reasons and think you're going to change things and go in there with a good heart. But like Putin said, you know, when they asked him, can you work with Donald Trump again? He says, I've worked with plenty of American presidents. They all have these grand ideas when they come into office. And then they get get a visit in the White House from the men in black suits and then all those ideas go out the window and and of course I think when people hear that they go oh yeah CIA right no man that's habad that's the theabad guys in black suits that show up with their hats and then you they take all your all your good ideas and they go that's nice we're not doing any of those from now on you work

work for us and so I think that people need to to remember that that's a thing I mean and by the way Putin saying that I don't I don't I don't say that that he's off the hook either because there's plenty of pictures with him with all those guys standing behind his desk as well. So I actually only point that out because I think if anyone would know, it would be Putin. And I think it's a poor to point out. And you can speak for yourself on this. I imagine we probably agree is that that's no way to give like a pass of accountability. Right. And I think it's important to think about because I addressed this the other day when it came to like even Trump.

Like let's just say it like right now interestingly flushing out and we can get into this when we get into Ron. I want to do one more point about. about the cartel with Bondi real quick, but the point of whether he was tricked or played by Netanyahu. And I think that is the reality and it still does not, I think Trump is still clearly everything that makes him, like what I think he is, you know, as what he's showing you throughout this administration, I think is very clear, whether or not he was played into this thing with Iran, you know. But the point is, if ultimately Netanyahu did kind of play him using the threat of nukes in Iran or whatever, you know, it's the point with that would in some way remove a level of accountability,

not entirely, but he, you know, he felt pressured. So that is some, like, it's not like he just woke up and goes, I'm going to kill Iran because I want to. But it's still some level of accountability. But thinking about that in a larger sense, if, like, say, his family's being threatened or like RFK Jr. And in Israel, the comments were, oh, he's being threatened by Israel. Okay, maybe.

First, let's prove that. But does that then make him no longer responsible? Does that make him no longer guilty? Like, there's a level of that. My point is, if we don't know for sure, we just can't keep. even consider that. Like there's just no way you can involve that in the decision making. We have to address what's happening. Do we think this is wrong or right? Do we agree with why it's happening? Whether he's being forced into it, first again, has to be proven. But whether or not, how does that

change our lives? We have to always treat it as if regardless of whether they're blackmailed, we have to stand for what we know is right and then address those consequences. You know, like if you were Trump and that was happening, you should have stood up and said, Israel's threatening to nuke Iran. and they're trying to force me to do it. You know, maybe that would have ended up with them doing exactly that, but that threat is always still there. By not dressing it, you let that threat continue to guide the world and control everything else. That doesn't seem like good math to me, you know?

And by putting yourself in a position where you can get compromised, it's your own fault, too. Like, hey, Bobby, Kennedy, you know, Israel's going to whack me. Well, maybe you shouldn't have put yourself in a situation where you gave them the evidence that they needed to put you in that spot. So again, there's responses. on both ends. And you knew the job was dangerous when you took it. If you decide to become a United States senator, God forbid, the president of the United States, you have to understand,

if I know it, you know it, that you have put your entire family in danger by doing that. And now you have to play a game of not stepping on the minds on the minds in the minefield and hope that you don't blow yourself to smithereens. But again, do I have sympathy for those people? Zero. None. I don't care what Lindsay Graham did in the past to put them in this situation. he is a traitor right so so again the the the the the Israelis or the Russians or the whoever they manipulated me into doing it okay well it's still you doing it's still your fault for being you know being able to be manipulated and and so yeah sure I get it that other people are exerting undue influence on you but like let's not pretend that this is something that just started

yesterday this has been going on forever if you get into the this world of politics, you're in it because you're in it for some personal reasons. You're in it because it gives you, you know, everything that you want, money, power, ego, fame, fortune, women, kids, whatever it is you're into, they'll give it to you. But there's a price that comes with it. You don't get to, you don't get to the songs that they play, man. You just have to dance. If you're Trump, you got to get out there and you dance, but you do not get to pick the songs. And if he ever complains about not getting to pick the music, I have zero sympathy for him. because again, you knew the job was dangerous when you took it and you decide to get into these

and you make decisions that impact people's lives. So if you make the wrong decision and some bad guy wax you, oh well, I just don't have sympathy for these people. Well, and like the point you're making, that's if we knew they were compromised. But see, we're at a point where we don't even know that for sure. So now they get whacked and now we we don't even know for sure whether they were compromised or, you know, it's like we just have to go at this with what we know we can prove and what we know is right. I mean, go back to basics, guys. Same point I make with constitutional rights and everything. thing fire in the theater. We need to go hardcore back to basics. It's clear how these things are

being used against us, you know? And I think, I think that, like, I really do genuinely believe that that's how this works right now. And I think that's what's so confounding for this whole system is that it seems a lot of people, hopefully the majority are now starting to, you know, open their mind to that real possibility. I kind of framed that way yesterday where, like, I think we're at a point where, you know, with Trump, you know, clumsily lying about what, what's going on Iran. Like, I forget the last one. It was, whatever the lie was about, you know, first saying that it was a Iran. No, no, now anybody could have the Tomahawk, you know, just lies that anybody can see, you know, and it's like, I just hope, I mean, Iraq, you probably agree. I think it was this obvious

then, too. I just think that the situation has changed. And now I'm hoping, and this is what I believe, is that more people care about the truth than they do about their team. And that's what that point comes back to about whether they're compromised. It ultimately comes back to identity politics. It says you care more about the person, the team than you do about whether or not, you know, the outcome, what you're actually fighting for is, is the endpoint. It's just crazy to me. I wonder if recently, it seems like there has been in a way that I haven't seen since forever, there's been a lot of Trump people that are sort of, he's crossed their line in the sand for some of them. And I'm glad. I'm glad. I mean, what took you so long? I suppose everybody's got a different line.

And maybe if you voted for him and you desperately wanted to believe it, maybe just you were willing to allow him to. lie on the campaign trail about a million things. I'm going to make this great. I'm going to make that terrible. Whatever. But all I need you to do is keep one promise, man. Do not start another war. We can't afford it. We don't need it morally, socially, economically. It's bad. It's just bad all the way around. Whatever you do, you give Israel money because I know you're going to do it anyway. You can give them weapons because I know you're going to do that. But just don't start the war. And then they do it. And their reasons for doing it are so nonsensical. And the information that they're giving us back from, I don't know, whether it's Pete Heggzith or Trump himself, you know, we're winning bigly. It's the most biggest winness winningest, winning war ever. And you just go, are these words coming out of your mouth? You sound like you're six and you're just making it up. And it feels so cartoonish at a time when you need serious people in the room to prevent World War III from really kicking out. And you get a guy that comes in front of a microphone

and says, we've destroyed everything in Iran that's worth destroying. I mean, what a, what a blatant lie. Like, I almost hope that they prove him wrong after a statement like that, you know, but I don't, I don't wish that. And I don't wish, I know what that means. And so I'm trying to be like a decent human being and not want, you know, that. But it's just so frustrated. I hope the people that are jumping off the Trump bandwagon in droves wake up and realize that this doesn't mean that you have to support the blue team. You do understand that you don't have to pick either side here. There's a third option. There's many options. But for those who are frustrated with Trump, like, I mean, I guess what, welcome to the party, but it took you so long.

But to your point for you, too far away from it, though, like, what, even if a statement, like, especially if it's accurate, like, if he, if they just said, which even Trump's Truth Post said, that we will now bomb, you know, the easy targets because they're not responding or whatever he made. The point was, everybody was like, that's, that's, that's intent to genocide right there. You just made it explicitly clear or war crimes at the very least that you're going to target things that are not military targets. That's undeniably clear.

We already know what's happened. So if Hague Seth comes up and says, we're, you know, bombed everything that's not, you know, whatever a statement was, like there's no way you don't take that as whether like, okay, either a crime of how far over the top it is with all the things that we know they're bombing, you can prove schools. It's like every other time, hospitals. But that ultimately that doesn't even remotely align with how this thing started like 30

seconds ago. Obviously, even before that, no war at all. But now we're going, okay, limited strikes just to get them to the table. Oh, just to make sure that we, can decapitate the leader. Well, this is all happened. And so what is, what are we, why is it continuing? Bombing more places because Israel's the one driving this and Trump doesn't seem to under, I mean, I'm wondering whether he's always been involved with that, which is where I've been so far, or right now with what's happening that he is now genuinely starting to recognize that he is being

played by his own team. You know, I think that's very important to think about because I mean, the recent reports are whether now he's going, oh, well, which is so embarrassing. Kushner and Whitkoff told me this. What kind of fucking, I shouldn't cuss. I'm sorry. Sorry, I'm like my name, wake up. What kind of leader makes that kind of statement? You throw your under, like, that's just, that is the weakest statement in the room. Sorry, I'm ranting now, but my guy, go ahead.

It's a weak statement, but good. I'm glad he threw those two guys under the bus. They deserve to have the bus drive right over them. I think Jared Kushner is a bad guy. I think he may be, you know, he may have some, I mean, he may be Trump's handler in some weird sort of way. Imagine that. Imagine being your father-in-law's handler.

Thanksgiving would be weird. But this is, you know, do we take Pete Heggzeth away in handcuffs and drag him to the Hague and make him answer? So if you've bombed everything worth bombing, then the bombing's done, right? Exactly, right? And now the next point we're not saying it's not worth bombing by your logic. So, okay, so now we're bombing. things that aren't worth bombing, which, as you said, is a war crime. So we could, we can lock

people up for that. But I don't think they understand the perception of this from the general public. I mean, outside of America, obviously, nobody's in favor. I have a hard time with this, though, because I look, I think Hegseth and almost everyone he's got around him are like, I'm surprised they can tie their shoes in the morning with the way that they put this stuff forward. It doesn't mean there's people that could have been more tactful about this, just as malicious and evil, but would have presented well, you know. So I'm wondering if that's the case, both because they're there, which I think is insane in the first place, with anybody else around all. Other people can see that there are people at the top are ridiculous, their own people,

that either that's them being there, the ongoing statements driving away from even what Trump just said. How do we not see that as either Trump has always been on a different non-American first agenda, which is possible, or that like I said, we're literally watching them got like have control over this. And it's like, Hegseth is a religious Zionist. it's very clear he said this out loud right so and and trump has made it clear now that a lot of these things that are happening like you can go back to his first administration he gave the military the authority to carry out orders without him like the the higher else remember that with the largest non-nuclear bomb that became very clear so now we have this disconnect between trump

and then the like leadership so that's hecksath doesn't alarm anybody that he may be taking directions from something other than trump you know so my point is i'm i think what this is starting to show is that this is demonstrating the agenda for where it's actually being driven from. And like if you want to argue at some other country, show me the evidence. I'm all for, I mean, I'm all for acknowledging that. I just want Americans to see that this is happening.

Like it's a pretty obvious reality that this is not being driven by what we think. You know what I mean? Yeah. And we're starting to move into the realm of fantasy world as opposed to actual targets, right? So at first, it's like we've got to get their nuclear facilities because of, you know, the reasons.

And now it's like Trump was chosen by God. And we're on a holy mission. And it's like, okay, well, then now, now we're in a really weird spot. Because what are you going to do? Am I going to sit you down at the negotiating table and say, what does God want for, I mean, what is your God want in this discussion? You know what I mean? It's like now we're, we're not even dealing with human to human negotiations. Now you've dragged in the eternal spirit into this. Who's also apparently a real estate land specialist. who, you know, on contract law over 2,000 years of whose land is whose. And you start to get into this world like, my God is better than your God.

And it's like, okay, this is all, it's one thing if we're having this discussion in some debate somewhere. But it's quite another thing. We have carrier groups in the Persian Gulf. We have, we have people in the Red Sea. We have, we have troops all over the place that need somebody that, I mean, Rumsfeld would roll over in his grave if he saw Pete Hegzeth right now. I mean, the weird, weak, cartoonish leadership of him. I mean, I swear to God, I think they picked the people for his cabinet based on the way

they look. Like they look like television parts. That too. I think it's a lot of performance. What I mean is that they were chosen because they're weak, because they're incompetent, Because they, and even worse, allowed to be to think that they're at the top of their game, like a Cash Patel. Like they seem to exude this like self-confidence that's wildly unjustified.

And then their actions, the belithe. I think that's my point. Like that this is like the, look, here's the important thing I think of one of them to think about with the overlap of Israel's agenda. Their religious belief from a Zionist perspective is, or whatever you want to call religious, probably the wrong word with the understanding of where it starts from. But that it is the, the West collapsing is one of the major parts that break. brings on the end times. And this is what people like that think. And so Zionist,

Pegseth, believes that this brings, you know, that the West must collapse. You know, and so this, this is, these are people in these positions of power. And so that might be something he's willfully driving with actions. But I wonder if it's that they've been placed here because this country is now bringing it's, I mean, look at how clearly we are on the decline as the government, as their actions, what they do in the world. I feel like that's being engineered, like genuinely engineered to where we are collapsing in front of the world for that output or, you know, maybe with Israel's perspective to drive war to the United States to create that kind of situation. I just want to reiterate, this is not some hypothetical,

this is Ben Gavir, Smotrich, even Netanyahu is a, I mean, the Amalak conversation, like, they genuinely believe this reality. And I think we have to realize that that's not some tangential side thing. They believe that needs to happen. And they're guiding us right now through this administration. That's just terrifying, you know? Yeah. And it reminds me of what Chomsky was saying when he was arguing with this reporter. The reporter was saying, what do you say? I don't believe the things that I say.

And he said, no, if you believe something different, you wouldn't be in the seat that you're in. Hegzeth. Like, do I think that he's being manipulated by Israel? Yes, but I don't know how much manipulation they need to do

because I think he genuinely believes this stuff. And again, he wouldn't be in the position that he's in if he didn't believe it. Because he fulfills a couple ticks on the checkbox. he's he's controlled by Israel you got to have that he looks the part and he's kind of stupid so you can blame him so you put these incompetent people in there the pam bondies cash petal's exits of the world who look kind of the part right well maybe not cash petal but the other

ones they look the part and but they're kind of incompetent and when it falls apart or when they make some dumb dumb decision which is a decision that was being made for them from behind or they were influenced to make, then you can just say, well, what did you expect when you got a guy like Pete Higgs at Fox News? Did you think you're really going to figure it out? I mean, he's a dummy. So I think that those, I think that again, it's like you go through school, you get a degree, you work your ass off and you go, if I'm, if I'm the best in my career in my field, they'll promote me to the top. And then like you see what happens in politics. It's like,

let's take the best. I don't want the best. We can't compromise them. We can't. discard them later. Like, no, let's take kind of the mediocre and let's elevate them. They'll think they won the lottery. They'll think, I'm so smart. Look at me. And then their arrogance will get them into all sorts of trouble. And then we can throw them away when we're done with them.

Or you could have known or any of the rest, fail upward. We'll promote you after you get exposed for being a criminal. Every time. But you've got to have to have a makeover. Right. After everyone, you're going to move up a level. You've got to get the extensions and the, you know, the whole thing. Well, before we go continue to, I want to get into more of the Iran conversation,

but this really does all interconnect in a lot of clear ways. On the cartel point, there was another report that came out. And this was the Independent. This is just on the Newsbreak app that I'm showing it here, but the Independent with the platform that reported it. Trump's AG, Pam Bondi, is moved to heavily guarded military base after threats over Epstein files from the cartels. Does that make sense to you just on the title already? Like when I read that I'm like, wait, what?

Did I misunderstand? So you're telling me that, so the cartels are mad at Bondi for the way that she's not released the appropriate information? That makes sense. It says Attorney General Bani's reportedly been moved to secure housing on a Washington, D.C. area apparently like a month ago is with the reporting, which being discovered now, which I guess I haven't seen it that much, which seems to make sense. A military base, which they're bombing these right now, after she received.

threats from drug cartels and those angry with her over well here's what's interesting and those angry with her over the handling of epstein it goes on to essentially make the argument that it's cartels but what's interesting to me is who would be mostly angry with them for not doing the right thing about the files pretty sure it's not mostly democrats us if anyone would want to be car bombing pam bondi it would be the citizens of the united states of america who are who want would like for her to do her job. But I mean, what's interesting more so than anything is that right now they're manufacturing this kind of narrative about like, and I do very much think as we discussed that there's

more connections there than not and that they're create. Like, I don't think that even makes sense on its face. But so let's just make a story where the cartels are mad at Bondi because we need you to think about cartel bad guys, even though I'm not even suggesting they're not. But clearly it's like anything else that talk about proxies I think we're dealing with. And then because of the Epstein files, like why don't just mash it all together? like I just don't even understand this. I think I would argue this is probably entirely made up.

Just my gut. What do you think? An intern who's pulling names. I was like Pam Bondi. Right. Taliban. Crystal meth. I don't know.

We'll find a, we'll make a headline out of that somehow. Seriously. It's very strange. It's, well, this is the mainstream corporate media. Trying to harness your righteous anger, right?

If you're angry about the, hey, well, I'm angry about the Epstein files too. It's like, oh, the cartels and I have something in common now. They're angry about it as well. Like the cartels care about the Epstein file. I mean, come on.

How does that? I don't even get how that connects. Like, you know, reading through this, it really just gets into like a, just like a broad idea, like somehow because evil people are being exposed like that. Like, oh, well, it must be, you know, it just doesn't even make sense. Like, I haven't even seen, you know, either way, what I think this comes back to, as it says she isn't the only Trump administration official who's been moved to military bases. Like, I think that they may be worried.

Like, this may just be because they think that they're because that they poke the bees nest unjustifiably that now that they may be assassinated, you know? And legally speaking, I don't see, like, they have been doing this nonstop. So I think even like, I don't, how does that work in international law? So if, if I think a unilateral assassination is clearly illegal, but if a government starts a war and then that becomes, you know, let's just say a, well, because Kameenie was, you know, like assassinating the Pope from our perspective. Like that wouldn't even be a military, so I don't think that's even a legal target. But is that legal then to assassinate the, you know, head of the other country after they've initiated war? Do you know if that lines up? I'm not even sure.

I think there's always been some kind of like a caveat for just you like executing the president or, you know, the leader versus the, I don't know. You know any insight on that? I don't know from a legal standpoint. It just seems like a moral, like a, from a, we're the producers of the play. we don't kill each other. We let the actors kill each other. You know what I mean? And that sort of thing. I, I, maybe, maybe, maybe when you're doing things as the American Empire at the behest of Israel, maybe there are, there's just no line in the sand anymore. Maybe there's no honor amongst thieves. And you do whack the head of, of, I mean, maybe in, maybe you don't normally do it, but you do it with Khomeini because, you know, Iran. in seven countries in five years and that's the big one maybe you don't do it well actually you do it to the leader if you didn't bring in the covid vaccines in africa right how many of those guys got

whacked so that said no we're not going to we're fine we don't we don't need Pfizer and then the guy winds up right yeah so i think that they're just worried i think that you know clearly like that was just a curiosity point but i think really i don't think any of these governments are i don't think any government in the world would truly be that worried about breaking international law should it be in their interest and they recognize a way out of it. That's my personal opinion. I think that's most governments, if not all. But I think that they're just worried about that kind of blowing back on them.

And this overlaps with the, I'm sure you saw the reports. It's interesting, the timing on this, sort of like Trump and the minds, remind me to talk about that. Because it's just funny, the way that they feel like they're setting us up with these narratives, but you got the arguments of, you know, they're being like a signal that they caught, that Iran was activating sleeper cells, which that's certainly possible. But again, because it's like the boy who cries wolf. This country is like, okay, guys, like, how many times have they told us aliens are real in the past like six years?

We're like, whatever, man. Just move on. Yeah, that was one of the things I had a tweet about that. Let me see if I can find it because when they said the story was that, well, let me see if I can find it here. Oh, great. What I find interesting about all this is the timing, obviously, you know, but is it. possible. Of course it is. And from Iran's perspective, because we know that they're doing it to them, that it would even make sense. And it's illegal, no matter how what you spend it. I mean, that's what's

funny to me is that it is illegal based on any understanding of international law, you know, to what our CIA, they're proudly, you know, like we steal, we cheat. We, we, we cheat. We steal Pompeo. It's just so funny this perspective we have of ourselves or rather the government does of its own actions. But the report was that there were sleeper cells in Iran. And now there was a follow up report, basically saying that they've been activated essentially. And then this is kind of spun out in the mainstream alternative media with Sean Ryan in like the last discussion, you know, the drone sniff it or the sniffing bomb drones and Iran and the same that it was all a bunch of hype. And they got caught faking that email and the whole damn thing, you know, it doesn't mean it's not possible.

But just recognize how often they try to lie us into these things. Go ahead. Well, this was the tweet from ABC News. The U.S. has intercepted encrypted communications believed to have originated in Iran that may serve. And I just said, I laughed too. Believe you have is code for we made it up. Oh, that's right. I did see you tweet that.

I think that probably is what said in my mind when I went through. Have you read the entire article? It is cartoonish. It's like we believe we've discovered something that may have been this. And it could have taken place at this time. And it might have around like literally like six different versions of extending this. Basically the headline should have been something we're not sure about that we don't know where and when, but maybe.

Like that's literally the whole story. My favorite that they didn't use in this. article, but they probably saved it for another one is people close to the president's thinking said. Yeah. What's the you go? Oh, okay. Good. So random guy's opinion about what Trump may think. Right. Great journalism. It's clear. We know and hopefully people know by now, this is just so somebody in this in this whether, again, manufacturing consent, the editor, whatever, maybe just decided to do it themselves, but otherwise, guided by something, did you go, let's push out this narrative? Like, you see how this works.

It's a threat to our democracy down every channel, right? Well, here's the narrative, and then they frame it their own slight variations. They know the window in which they can operate, and it ends up being the same story. There's nothing to go on. I mean, has anybody even really followed up other than people in the IMA and independent media about like the Halloween terror attack? Or, I mean, I just went over this again from Alex Jones predictions. What is, is Letitia James in jail?

How about James Comey, you know? And the point was every one of these things were designed to fail in my mind. I said the moment they came out when looking through the data, I was like, this is going to fail. They set this up. There's nothing to go on or the autopin discussion. You know, we talked early on. Most bad guy, I think are starting to turn. But like, think about today what the actions they're taking. They're lying about damn near everything, you know? Yeah.

Well, in addition to MC in all five days of an archipocal, I also had a slot, a speaking slot. And I used that to speak about the rise of the independent media about, and, and, and, More importantly, I talked about Operation Mockingbird and the influence of the CIA early on and how they take the narrative. And, you know, it'd be one thing if the mainstream media, well, sometimes they do it, especially with war. But for the most part, if they took a story and just completely turned at 180, that's too much. You know, it's too obvious when you do that. And so I was kind of reminding the audience, like the best propaganda is when you just knock it a little bit off course. You know, just enough.

And gradually over time that you get so far away from it that you, there's no connection to the truth at all. But, but that's the real key. I mean, if you want to have property, I'm not trying to teach these lunatics how to lie to us better. But I mean,

you know, you don't, don't, you don't make it so obvious that you're trying to throw people onto a, onto another trail. You just, you just nudge. I mean,

the nudge unit in the UK is a prime example. They actually call it that. It's like we just want to, we don't want to totally turn you into somebody else. We just want to move you or thinking just a little bit off of where it currently is. Right. You know, and this is again to that same point, look at what the current administration is doing. Like, I swear, I've said this so many times more than, I've seen in the past, I've said this in the past, but I've never seen it this much. These, these guys lie about things that you don't even need to lie about.

You know, like, in a way, and I'm like, why did you even, like, who knows? Maybe they're just so desperate or so, you know, but the point is they lie in ways that are like, like you just said, not mostly truth and a small, like this blatant, hardcore, like challenging what even the people right around them would want to say, you know, and the question is why. Incompetence, I think that's self-evident, but I do think it's more than that, you know, like there's such bad, like the points we make, although there are people around them, people that have been doing this their entire lives that know, like that you shouldn't say that or not allowing to it, but they still do it.

Trump's out there still, you know, in some. cases I do think he's the one putting these things out. It's like there's in the past you see like speaking to handlers, they know people that are like, no, you know, this is the right tie. No, say it like this. But it seems like that's not as much there. At the very least, they're the ones driving them to do the things that like make Americans see this. Now, I don't know why that would be the agenda, but again, I think it's more about kind of a, you know, bringing this all down around its ankles, both because of what I think the agenda is about like the West and the U.S. discussion, but also because of the global conversation, you know, about creating this massive shift of which the United States, the

current reality is sort of the guiding, you know, guidepost on like the current direction, right? And that's always been shifting the bricks and everything. But I think what we're seeing is that massive transition into the new, you know, the way I read it is that the Trump, the people right now in control of that direction don't want to lose that control to some other, you know, the Trump wants to position himself as this like emperor king of like the new global order, like globalism, you know. And so I think that's what comes back to like why a lot of this is happening. So let's talk about the straight of Hormuz and some of these other points and bring up anything by the way that you want to get into.

There's just some of the things that I had lined up. And I think what's interesting is about the mind part. And actually to bring it together what I was just talking about with the propaganda, this is so weird how I keep seeing this. So Trump, and my mind, this is somebody guiding this through him. I don't think this is obvious the way it's happening. Trump comes up and goes, you know, there's no reason to say this. There's no indication that's happening.

But if they put mines in the Strait of Ramos, then we're going to have an issue with that and we're going to have to do something about it. And so he makes a clear point to say, it's not happening. But if, right? Not even 24 hours later, there's minds and reports of minds, which is certainly possible. Like, this is not a new conversation, right? It's happened before.

This is that their controlled area. They threaten things like this. But why would he come out and say it's not happening, but if it does? And then right after all of a sudden there's reports, makes you wonder whether they even actually are mine to this point. You know, it's just like they did this. And I'm wondering whether that's somebody being fed to Trump, like even in his inner circle, you know, put out a tweet saying, this can't happen.

And then they're like, okay, initiate the mind conversation. That's just how I read that. But either way, now they're using this argument to say that they're mining this and we're going to create this conflict in the zone when I don't even think it's effectively shut down. I think I think you can easily prove that. It's just very restricted based on their threats. But now with the actual minds, they can actually argue that they're legitimately shutting it down.

So I'm wondering whether that's a ploy. Because I don't think Iran is in the interest right now to actually like legitimately shut it down. I think they're playing their game with the threats to slow down the interest. But I think if they know if they're like literally blockaded the pathway, that that would become something that everybody would use to go after them. You know, just my two cents. You're reading the, you know, writing on the wall. So what do you think? Well, I would look at what happened when the Babel Mandra straight, right, where there were some ships that were allowed to pass through there.

We got no problem with you. You're good. You go on through. But if you're an Israeli flagship or somebody who's American flagged or you're trying to pretend like you're not, then we'll light you up. And so whether it's mind or not, doesn't even really matter at this point. You're a target. And for people who are unfamiliar with that kink in where the Strait of Hormuz is. I brought this up actually.

I'm glad you said that too. So if you guys don't remember, and this is such an important point, here's what he's talking about. This is the Balba Mandab Strait. And this is largely why the Yemen, I think the Yemen invasion occupation is happening. And then this is the Strait of Hormuz on the other side of the landmass. Keep going. Yeah.

So you're in these maritime charts. choke points where you force the traffic through a very tight little narrow pathway. And as long as you're good, as long as you have no political attention with anybody and you're, then those stay open. But you, but I don't think that you need to physically mind them so much as just tell people certain ships are allowed to go through our gang territory and certain ships aren't. And if you're flying your flag and our, in our, through our turf, our neighborhood, we're going to, we're going to light you up. And if you have a problem with that, then you shouldn't have come through. And in that, that I think they can, then, then they can negotiate country by country

specific instead of closing it down to everybody. Why not leave it open? Say, you haven't been a problem with us. You can go through. You allow, you Bahrain, put an American base there. You're not getting any of your stuff through. Sorry. Unless, unless, unless maybe now we say all of you, Gulf Arab states that have have American bases will make you a deal. We'll allow you safe passage through here, but you've got to close all those bases. You've got to get everybody out. Or just not engage in the ongoing war. Like that was kind of black statement, right?

Just don't bomb us anymore. Don't allow them to bomb us for your countries and we'll stop bombing you. That, of course, Trump very embarrassingly called a surrender, which no, but, I mean, everyone can see that's not what happened. So that shows desperation to me. I don't know how else you frame that, you know? But so this is what's so important to me about this. And I keep bringing this up is that, you know, exactly what you say,

I think that is what, I think this is the, the calculus. Like they're, they're thinking, we can't shut this down legitimately because everybody would mad at us, literally everybody, including the, the flirting with the oil price discussion and the world economy, you know, and so what effectively threats, which has, which has happened, will bomb the ships that go through, or at the very least, that's what the US media frames as the way that they've said it. And same thing, saying that they're going to, you know, basically threats of shutting it down. And immediately you got this entirely, like all the Western press, all the,

mainstream alternative media. The Australian of Ramoos has been shut. And I said, well, hold on. But it's live map. It's clearly not shut. You know, look at all the traffic, which is way more traffic today than it was yesterday. And on top of that, this is what I thought was interesting too.

But it makes more sense when you look at the, because on the other side of the water area, this is a U.S. ship right here. USS Michael Murphy. But it's a way over here on this side. So technically behind this gray line, that's the, that's the Iranian, you know, regional waters. And it, but it, you know, overlaps pretty clearly right there. But so my point, though, is that either way, if it's not shut down, then it's what you think or what you said, I argue.

I'll get this back to where it was. Hold on. Because that means that clearly it's about trying to allow it to continue, but while only hurting the people who are effectively against them, which makes sense is why they would want to frame this as them shutting it down for everybody. So it's always like this, which is back to the point, why I'm starting to feel that it's more likely that they haven't put mine. out there, but like you said, either threatened it and didn't do it, or ultimately that's just something they made up, which is why Trump said it weirdly. And then the next, like, less than 24 hours later, there's reports from the U.S. media claiming it's already happening. Just with my thought. And it's just as likely that they put minds out there because of what they drove them to do.

But it's an interesting point, right? And I think this then carries over into the oil part of this conversation. But do you have any thoughts on just the, you know, discussion of the waterways and what that might do. They also have to sort of be mindful of their relationship with the other BRICS nations and what's going on there. And if you're shutting off that whole thing, you're not just impacting, you know, I mean, I get it. It's a war.

It's unusual times. But you have to be mindful that there's, you have partners that will suffer from this as well. And so they may have a voice in how this plays out. Of course, they understand what you're up against. probably even support you, but need to be careful with this. And in the Trump messaging is so disjointed that it makes you wonder, is he being erratic on purpose to come across as as, as, uh, kind of buffoonish and, and, is it a tactic? I'm not trying, I'm not, I'm really trying to not go. 12 dimensional chess here with trying and I have a hard time giving him credit for things but what if it's a mountainally trying to be wishy-washy or bad at this which would go against every

component of his personality I admit but what if he just made a calculation like I can't stop the war but what if I just played it really poorly well to what end though flush it out what would you what would you think that would be in it how would that better his stance I don't know. What if I was so bad at this that I got the Israelis whacked and then I got them off my back. You know what I mean? This is like Q always narrative, right? No matter how it's going, it's all, if you end up where it looks like he somehow hurt Israel, oh, it all, it was all played out to make that happen. You know, I mean, that's kind of where I'm at too in a lot of ways. Back to the point about the threat, what I mean, Rubio came out and said it basically said that Israel threatened to nuke Iran. That's why he claimed it, you know, Israel or rather Trump had to react. You know, that old you can see this position where, you know, it, I mean, it makes sense. And it, like I said, back to the earlier point about whether it's a level of, like, removing accountability. Yeah,

to a degree. But as you said, it's still, he's there for a reason. But I think this is kind of where we might be where Trump is realizing more than maybe he was aware that this is happening, that Hegs had and Rubio and whatever else. That's just a thought that I had. But then that would change the way he would engage with this. And so to your point, is it likely or possible that he is sort of going, okay, like maybe I can drag this into a certain point. And, to where that could better my stance and I can make it look like I stop this or whatever or, you know, turn. I just don't see a world in which that ever happens where this administration turns on

Israel because you're complicit in far too many things. I even argue COVID-19 and that very much connects, but just the genocide, how in the world you can get away from that, whether you blame him or not, you're already trapped in that. I think they know that. I think that's now part of the angle with the Epstein, you know, manipulation. Now they have them with their involvement to the genocide, you know, and now they're almost forcing them to openly commit the same tactics to lay cover for what they did the entire time, you know, but I think it's a valid point to consider whether Trump may be changing his direction,

and he's capable of that. He showed himself too crafty like that, but it also shows he was lying to you, and that's somehow okay in the moment because of the outcome. It's always a guess anyway, you know, but very valid point. Yeah, I really, I really always kind of am hesitant to go down that path of giving Trump any sort of like credit for doing this, but I do wonder if maybe he was on board or maybe he was slightly on board with everything. but as we get further and further down with the Gaza situation, we get into this, and he's outwardly showing support,

but maybe, you know, maybe there's a conversation that he, hegs up and Rubio have, of like, they're going to kill us all. They're going to get us all. Like,

you know what I mean? Like, what the Rubio statement was about, kind of, like almost giving him that. Like, like, it felt a little bit like,

oops, didn't mean to mention that. Right. You know, that we did that on, but I wonder, how I wonder what percentage the Trump's Hegseth and Rubios of the world

are willing participants or hostages at this point I don't know Or like you said earlier sort of middle ground of both where they wouldn't be in that position if they didn't already believe in these things but even they have their own ambition even they you know like this is the point about Trump and we both agree I don't see

I see it would have to be some very very very tough situation for Trump to decide to make himself look stupid to make himself look at the weak played one in the conversation. I would even borderline argue he's not capable of that. I know. It goes against his entire personality to do something like that. If it's like we're all going to die, you know, maybe.

You know, it's like you could see a world that might happen. And so I think we're both talking about this as you should consider these points. Because either way, and this is where I'm hoping most Americans are getting to, what does it show you? This is why I was so interested in that point because no matter how you read it, everyone's essentially now telling you Israel's influencing this government, right? Like to a degree you can't ignore if ultimately the excuse to get Trump out of responsibility is, well, Israel's sort of pressured him. It's like, well, thank you. Fine. I'll even let him get out of the accountability in that moment to be able to make, as long as everybody can acknowledge that Israel is influencing,

if not manipulating, if not controlling U.S. policy. You know, it's weird how close and obvious we get to that point and we like the mainstream mainstream alternative just cannot allow that to be acknowledged. and I think we know why that is. And it doesn't have to do solely with Jewish people if that's what you're thinking. Yeah. It's wild. Isn't it an interesting time? I mean, just October 7th forward.

I mean, the whole world has changed. Well, I made that point during my presentation as well when I put up a picture of the, it was a compilation headshots of all the major media, the high ranking members of each of the five major media corporations with the blue Jewish stars over all of their faces. It's like, you know, and I said in the presentation, If they were Catholics, I'd say they were Catholics. If they were Aztecs, I'd say they were Aztex. There's no Aztecs on that list there.

And so at the bare minimum, we have the potential for a problem. Yeah. I mean, and of course, even if your point taken well is that it's any one over-representation of anything, it's worth considering that point. But I would add that remember, the Star of David is not a Jewish symbol. That's a Zionist symbol. The menorah is the actual Jewish symbol. And Orthodox Jews will tell you that.

So it's just important to consider both of those angles. But you're right, regardless, if it was all a bunch of, you know, Chinese nationals, that would worry me if it was all a bunch of, you know, I mean, religion, nationality. Like the point is that we can see influence in every, I mean, and it's not even necessarily always nefarious, right? Like you can talk about, you know, you have Muslims in a certain area that want to influence that, you know, that make their area more like they like Christians do the same thing. So do Jews.

Or specifically nationalities. We know this happens. But we should be aware and able to call out any of them if it's, you know, something that is illegal, something that is immoral, something that we disagree with. Of course, you know, it's just weird how obviously one angle of that has been so weaponized to the point to where this is so interesting. One, it started where you're not allowed to talk about it, but now, and I think this is the scientist agenda, it's causing people who are otherwise good intention to actually make the connection to feel like, oh, it turns out it is the Jews doing all of this. You know what I mean?

Like they've created that drive. That's why they do that. That's why I think that's so important to jump in there and always make that point because there's so many people there's people that are honestly who you know have good intentions who have fallen for that I see it every day and I course I could be wrong to you know yeah no but if you allow them to convince you that all Jews are bad you're falling into their trap right you're you're you're walking into the trap where you see we're just persecuted for no good reason it's like no you have to be you have to be consistent in your criticism and you have to give credit when it's due and you have to be critical when it's due as well and it's it's just it's just I think people are starting to recognize the Voltaire quote when they look around and they recognize

that there's one group that you aren't actually allowed to criticize. Isn't that interesting? And maybe they do have some undue influence. And if they do, then we should have the discussion about it. But since we're not allowed to, they tell us we're not allowed to. We're having the discussion regardless. But that is kind of a bigger problem. Well, wait a second. So it's a problem that you're doing this. But now it's another problem that we're not allowed to talk about that you're doing this. because that's now compound. So are we not talking about if the Muslims do it? Oh, no, that would be front page headline.

So I see. So now it's inconsistent in how, you know, so we can't talk about you guys doing it. But if you see coordination from this other ethnic group, well, then you've got to mention them, but just don't mention those who cannot be named. So it's the tide is turning. And of course, you and I are probably thinking the same thing. Are we walking into a trap? because there's never been a time when you're allowed to talk about this stuff so freely and have these right, you know, these criticisms of them. And, and, and I wonder, all right, so are they just using this as an opportunity to get us all out in the open on camera? That's always a valid point if you made. But I hear this point every time things like this happened. Remember when the cannabis was a huge, like, you know, it's still weirdly kind of stalled. It's not even, everything's so crazy. But, you know, there was a momentum and all the most states. are now legalizing it and everyone, everybody, because this is where my, kind of TLAV really kind of

rooted in starting was the cannabis law reform discussion was like, oh, you guys are falling for it. They're just not, they're just making a list of everybody who does who, what, smokes cannabis, going to round you all up. People were making that argument, you know, and it's, yeah, I said then, it's possible, but, you know, one, there's plenty of other ways, you know, same point. So I argue it's worth considering that, but to what end? You know what I mean? Like to what, to what, to censor us, are doing that?

You know, to round us out, well, that can happen regardless, you know, but consider it, right? consider whether that's there, but I would argue regardless, we always, and I said this during the self-censorship rise in the independent media, I took censorship head on. I allowed them to censor me because I was unwilling to self-censor. I'm going to say the words, what I mean. You know, I'm not going to say, you know, whatever, the boot, boop or whatever, you know, which I understand, though. Like, I get why that some people chose that route and maybe they were the right, maybe that was the right path. But I just, I think it's important to air on that side everywhere. That's my point about fire in a theater. It's like, whatever it is, we need to,

we need to draw that line as hard on you know in the principle as opposed to letting the the even if it's logical drive us away from what we know the principle is you know and that's just everything everywhere i see right now is doing that to everybody in this country drifting you away from believing in the constitution drifting away from believing in law from believing in what's moral you know hit them while they're down right i don't want a fair fight these are things we're hearing from our administration you know it's it's it's a it's uh don't allow them to demoralize you as well. You know, there's a, there's a lot of this going on. I mean, if they, if they can get you to throw your hands up in the air and say, I just give up, I submit, I just tell me what to do. You want me to

take the shot? You want me to stand on the dot, you know, go this direction down the, just make it all stop. You know, they're almost kind of counting on you getting to a point where you where you give up. And we can't do that, of course. That's, it's our duty and obligation to, to remain strong in the face of this insanity and to never compromise ourselves. I think the most devious form of censorship is self-censorship. I agree. You can never measure that. You can't quantify it and does something to you.

When you know that you wanted to say something, but you didn't, you held back. Then once you do it once, you can do it again, easier and again and again. And then the next thing you know, you're just not being honest with anybody. about who you are or what you think. And then what is the point? You know, what's the point? You're going to just sit in your pod and suck your thumb and wait for the government to tell you when you can come out or be happy. I mean, I just, these are very flawed human beings that are trying to tell us how to behave and how to act in this world.

And I just have no respect for them. So I don't know why the rest of us don't just stand up and tell them, you know, we're not going to take moral authority from the likes of the people in Washington, D.C., which is not going to do it. Exactly. I mean, and that's, that's even coming out in mainstream for crying out loud, which never means honesty to me. It just means that it's that obvious that they have to somewhat address it. But, you know, the standing of the U.S. government in the world. You know, what right do you have? I saw that in the Pentagon briefing. Like, where do you have to speak to anybody about morality when the girls' school bombing or, you know, whatever else it is. They can deny all day the world is aware, you know.

It doesn't go away anymore. And I'm glad to see that. I do think this is emblematic of, you know, we're seeing change, whether grudgingly or feigned or not, it is happening. And I just think that's worth pointing out is that we have been censored and, you know, sidelined and suppressed. And, you know, now with AI and algorithms and financial attacks and lawsuits. And I mean, all of us. And yet we're still making this happen as all of it. Independent media.

It's like, I say it all the time. That's a win, guys, take it for what it is. And we can, it's never going to be over. Probably never. But that's definitely a win. Yeah. I'll, I'll end with a couple of points I saw here. and we can, you know, kind of discuss on where we think this will go. But this one of these, I can show them real quick, just breaking, breaking news stuff.

This one was reported earlier that Iran, like we were discussing, Iran's military warned that any ships belonging to the U.S., Israel, or their allies passing through the straight could be targeted. So you're right. I mean, it's explicit now just coming out of the gate and saying it. There was reports now that a projectile hit a cargo ship. So here we go again, right? So is this Bolton's limpid mines? Are they faking this again?

Or did Iran find a reason to attack them? I mean, both are very possible, you know? but I think it's interesting after they, after they stress the mind-laying conversation and they're now in the area, right? And I think lastly, just I think it's interesting reports of Iran. Iran's military says it will hit economic targets, banks, which by the way are crime. That's a war crime, no matter who's doing it. Those are non-military targets, right? And then this one says Iran announces the facilities associated with major U.S. technology companies.

That's very relevant. Like Amazon, Microsoft, IBM, Oracle, Palantir, may be targeted. That's their AI agenda. And it says, Iran says, they are switching from reciprocal hits to continuous strikes because, you know, they're responding, which is what they've been doing since they were attacked in the first place. And now they're saying, you know what, they're not stopping. They have no legal justification. So we're switching into full, you know, I don't think anyone has declared war, essentially, but this is now more than ever a direct back and forth, you know, war. But what I think to end with is interesting is, you know, all of this, military targets, you know, banks, this, none of this was happening before they initiated this.

and they started targeting civilian locations. They'll lie all day about what Iran willing to do. The evidence is not there. Look around the world. However, we have the evidence of what Israel's doing of what the U.S. has always done. Hey, Seth can yet again say, we'll never target civilians.

And you could bring up the 100,000 articles of them getting caught targeting civilians. And in some cases, admitting it, whether mistakes or targeted, whatever. And so what I want to point out to end is that they've driven this year, right? So whether banks get targeted or, you know, palanteer, whatever it is,

the U.S. government in Israel have literally driven this into reality, into reality with their unquestionably illegal actions. We didn't touch on it today, but War Powers Act hasn't been met. It wasn't eminent. Trump said it himself. There's no congressional authority or approval, and there's no authorization. So it's like no matter how you spend this, this is a crime that's taking place,

but no different than every other government administration in our past. So I just wanted your thoughts on where you think that's going to go. Do you think this is going to, you know, like we said, maybe Trump's seeing it? Does he try to pull back? It's just going to stall out in some way? Or do you think this just literally goes where it seems it's going to go? It's pretty alarming, you know, from whatever way you look at this. It's so funny that you'll find most of the Americans cheering on the destruction of AI data centers from Microsoft and Amazon and Oracle and all that.

It's like, oh, would you like us to tell you where they are? We'll draw a map for you. So make sure, you know, you don't miss. This is where we've become, you know, and Trump has nobody to blame. He's a second day in. He had Larry Ellison and Sam Altman standing there next to him, pledging half a time. trillion dollars to give to those guys. I don't blame the Iranians for thinking we need to target these tech centers as well, because you would be right to. And the banking, the banks as well.

I mean, look, if the Israelis are going to launch missiles or the Americans, I don't know who did it, and blow up 100 plus school children, then I have no problem with Tehran taking out a couple banks. Well, I mean, I get your point, but I think what I, what I'll continue to argue, and I'll include the school are showing that as well, you know, is that I understand completely the justification in their mind for doing it, right? And I argue, I argue, mark my words, that I don't believe that they will bomb a school or a hospital. Why watch? I doubt it'll happen. But banks and technology, those are still war crimes regardless. And they would say the same when the U.S. is targeting theirs. So I hope that line doesn't get crossed because they could take

a stance that would show that they're not falling at that level. But if they do, you know, do you think the U.S.? I mean, look, I don't have to. the question. They're already doing it. The U.S. and Israel do it every single time. So it's justified in their mind, but I hope that line doesn't get crossed because that, that's what we talk about what we're doing every day in this field, right? Or whatever we discussed, you fall to that level, you're the same thing. Regardless of how you got driven there, you are the same thing. And I think that's an important lesson for all of this, you know, don't lie because they do. Don't fall to that level, integrity, principles. It's important. But, you know, I think that where it's where it may go.

I mean, that may be where they feel like they have to go. And again, that will be the responsibility of the people who started this illegally. That's my question is, yes, you're right. To do the things that the Israelis and the Americans do, you would be lowering yourself to their level. But maybe Iran has made a calculation that this is the only way those people will respond. Maybe we have to. Like, we can't negotiate with them. You want to get their attention.

Do the things to them that they do to you. Maybe not schools, because I agree with you. That's not their style. And I don't think that the American or Israelis would care if you bomb their schools, as much as if you bombed their AI centers. Probably. Yeah. And so, oh, that's actually an excellent point, right?

So that's the chosen lined across because of how much that's clearly important to them, or even just the threat may actually change action, right? But, you know, it's just, it's such a horrible reality because it's, something that is being driven into reality and they may like you said believe that this is the only path i would still call it a war crime no matter what but i i genuinely hope we don't get to that that that that that line being crossed but you know i i believe that right now that's being all of this is being driven because of this ideological push and i think iran very much sees that and so you understand the you know even like the samson option element you know what i mean like these

are things that they're this is you know how do you respond to that what do you do knowing that that line is crossable for them. And that's what worries me, is this may become, like you said, well, you know, the logic then becomes that we have to take irrational action, otherwise we will end up being removed. And it's like, you know, and again, this needs to be repeated. Like, that only exists because of what's been driven by these people claiming they're fighting for freedom and liberty.

You know, who knows? Maybe Iran was the one that, or maybe they have this mindset of the radical, but there's no evidence of that. The world does not show that. Their actions do not show that. So the only thing we're left with is, looking at what the people claiming good or have been doing the entire time. And it proves who they actually are, you know.

So as always, people need to stand up, call this out, you know, take the effort to show it to other people, right, do what actions you think makes difference. You want to protest. You want to call your, your congressman. Do it all, right? But do something, right? What do you think people should do, Charlie? What do you think is the, you know, conscientious objector conversation?

There's a lot of stuff that's been going on. You know, Mike Prysner, people saying they don't want to go. You know, like, what do you think people should be doing? Well, I saw in Israel that a lot of people at Ben-Gurion Airport were opting for the Samsonite option. What's this? The Samsonite option, which is getting on an airplane, getting the hell out of there. That's what they were doing. They were leaving.

I think for Americans, I mean, this would be such a deeply unpopular war. The idea of a draft. No, I was freshman in college in January 91 when they did the, or, the first Gulf War. And that was a question that everyone was asking, sure, are we going to get drafted into this? Is there going to be a war? And so that was a real conversation that was being had by people my age when I was in college. It didn't wind up happening. Of course, if something like that were to be rolled out now in an era of social media, in an era in a post-Pat Tillman world, good luck. Good luck trying to do that. We would be, we would be so.

I would be working 20 hours a day trying to do everything I could to throw a monkey wrench in that plan. You know, the idea of suckering in a bunch of 18 and 19 year olds who don't know any better to go die for Israel in Iran, deeply unpopular. I think that might be the end of the Trump administration if you tried to roll that. Maybe. I mean, maybe like it would be so unpopular that the right and left join together in opposition of that. You can imagine that. And a mafia point, right, where that's self-regulation, where they recognize that Trump or whatever they're doing is is exposing the game for everybody. And that's how that tends to work. Right. So they go, we got to get him out of here and we can go back to play in the same game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's an important time to be paying attention. And to not get suckered into these emotional responses to things, especially with the, the mainstream media. They want you to feel a certain way. They want you to hate certain people. They want you to think that, you know, they want you to be inconsistent in your beliefs and bombing. When we do it is fine. It's spreading freedom and democracy. When they do it, it's terrorism.

And if they can get you into that frame of mind where it's us versus them, then they've got you. And I think it's just so important for us to pull back, to try and take a look at the big picture, get good information. you know and and and and and not be so reactive i i know that there's a tendency especially in america you know let's get them there before they get us here and i worry about a false flag of course we worry about this sleeper cells thing that they're at our pitching you know um so so so what would that look like well it would you know what if they tried that in it in it backfired and everybody immediately went israel did it and and on social media it was just such a dud that they couldn't roll that out anymore. I mean, maybe that's not already happened. Yeah. And that is that those

sorts of things have happened recently too. Yeah. So we're getting to the point where they are the boys who cried wolf and people just aren't really paying attention anymore. And that's good. That's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a better place for us to be now than 2005 when the Iraq war sales pitch was happening. And you, all you had to do is be the Dixie chicks and say, you know, shoot, we should give this a second thought. And it's like, out, vanished from the country, have to change your name, do all that, you know, so, you know, this is sort of where we are. I just hope people will, will take a moment and not be reactive and, and understand that there's propaganda, on both sides, you know, both sides propaganda.

And to be mindful of that and not be reactive because they're going to get you emotional and because you'll, you know, because then they can get you to act a certain way. Yeah, right, because it's circumvents logic. I know that, you know. But to your point about they're not paying attention. And I know what you meant, but I would, I would frame it differently. It's they're paying more attention than ever. They're just not paying attention to the people that are proven liars over the years, right? You know, and I even argue that we should be watching and considering everything we can,

but question at all, right, vet at all. Question if you can't verify it, you put it to the side. But I think that's what's happening. I think more people than ever are asking questions that they've never thought were even, like they didn't even realize existed, you know, like this is truly starting to evolve in a way. And I think we've been here to. a smaller degree more than once. And it's our opportunity.

It's our obligation to do something, to try to take advantage of this change, especially since it's so clear that none of us like what's going on. None of us like this. It's like if we're literally every time talking about the lesser of evils, how do we not realize where we are? You know, it's like, we can genuinely change this. And I think that's finally becoming clear to people that it's not just pick the other side, but, you know, how do we evolve or literally rebuild or build something new?

You know, it's important that we start asking these questions. We're going to have a great conversation a month from now. I can tell you. Yeah, yeah, hopefully sooner. I mean, we should, you know, like just if there's something crazy going on, we'll jump on and talk about it, man. But I always appreciate our conversations, brother. It's just important to be able to flesh these thoughts out, you know, just have a dialogue and think it through because a lot of this stuff is, you know, as always. You know, you adding new things to my thoughts and vice versa.

And hopefully we do that for everybody out there, you know, because some of this stuff really is ridiculous. and until you put a fine point on it, until you openly say it out loud, some people don't really see it or put it together, myself included. You know, I've had conversations with you where I go, you know what, and then I go do a show and it's talking about something you and I discussed, you know. Yeah. Yeah, well, we're all, we're all helping each other. Nobody has it all figured out. And that's the beauty of it. I mean, it's a big jigsaw puzzle. And you bring a piece and I bring a piece. And after a while, it starts to take shape. And we start to see the, you know, what's out there. but I'm just, I'm glad that, I'm glad that people are starting to ask some questions now.

Yeah, I would agree with you that maybe they're not paying attention to the mainstream media anymore, but they are paying attention. Maybe it's just as simple as getting lied to. That's what did it to me. I got lied to so much by the media that it, it infuriated me. I just wanted to go out there and prove them wrong. And now, you know, went from despising the media to now being a part of it with activist both. I suppose that's that's sort of how it goes, right? I wanted to prove them wrong so badly that I'm like, this is how you do it the right way. Right, right.

You want to prove them so wrong so badly that you go out and do it every day. Yeah, every day. Every single day we get to do it. I frankly enjoy it. I like, you know, I'm glad we're at a point where we are in real time watching people, whether mainstream alternative or mainstream, get seen for what they really are. There is a level of enjoyment there because they deserve it, you know,

and I think that accountability is nice to see. And hopefully we can get more of that. Charlie, always a pleasure, brother. Thank you for being here. And as always, everybody out there, question everything. Come to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant. I frankly think that crisis initiation is really tough.

And it's very hard for me to see how the United States president can get us to war with Iran. Which leads me to conclude that if, in fact, compromise is not coming, that the traditional way of America gets to war, is what would be best for U.S. interests. Some people might think that Mr. Roosevelt wanted to get us into World War II, as David mentioned. You may recall we had to wait for Pearl Harbor. Some people might think Mr. Wilson wanted to get us into World War I. You may recall he had to wait for the Lusitania episode.

Some people might think that Mr. Johnson wanted to send troops to Vietnam. You may recall we had to wait for the Gulf of Tonkin episode. We didn't go to war with Spain until the U.S. Until the Maine exploded. And may I point out that Mr. Linclair, Lincoln did not feel he could call out the Federal Army until Fort Sumter was attacked, which is why he ordered the Commander at Fort Sumter to do exactly that thing, which the South Carolinians had said would cause an attack.

So if, in fact, the Iranians aren't going to compromise, it would be best if somebody else started the war. But I would just like to suggest that one can combine other means of pressure with sanctions. I mentioned that explosion on August 17th. We could step up the pressure. I mean, look, people, Iranian submarines periodically go down. Someday one of them might not come up. Who would know why?

We can do a variety of things if we wish to increase the pressure. I'm not advocating that, but I'm just suggesting that this is not a either-or proposition of, you know, it's just sanctions has to succeed or other things. We are in the game of using covert means against the Iranians. we could get nastier at that.