The Last American Vagabond - Charlie Robinson Interview - What The Hell Is Happening? (7/15/25)

Starting point is 00:00:01 It starts with a simple question and ends an objective reality. Through our journey from there to here, we find one another and ourselves. And as the next 24 hours breaks free from our last, we gaze onward in reflection of the day. Tell you're only, close, I'll have to stay in July. Welcome to the Daily Wrapup. Tuesday, July 15th, 2025. Thank you for joining me today. So I had this day all planned out.

Starting point is 00:00:46 I was ready, had to lining up everything for the daily wrap-up, which I was plenty of things to talk about today. And because I'm just somehow incapable of keeping my calendar in order, I yet again made a mistake in regard to the day I was going to have Charlie on to talk about, talk about what the hell is going on in the world. And of course, I've been looking forward to this as always because I really enjoy our back and forth. So I kind of merged them together today. So we're going to get into a.

Starting point is 00:01:08 off the kind of out off the bat like something he may think is important what he sees going on in the world that we're going to kind of go over some of the different things I had lined up and then we'll just have a good conversation about it today so as always charlie i'm looking forward to it how are you my friend i'm i'm good i'm our schedules are a fluid thing much like the gender of some of the listeners unfortunately so we well thank you're going to do what we got to do i i'm i'm glad you had me on there's so much happening here like these days it's feels like every day, it's like the, remember the movie The Jerk? There's a scene in there. Like, first day felt like eight days. And the second day felt like that's every day is like,

Starting point is 00:01:47 it's like groundhog day. And it seems like, you know, where we were a week ago is almost irrelevant compared to where we are today. So I'm glad I'm glad we were able to coordinate and get to the bottom of things. And by design, clearly. I mean, not literally everything. I mean, certainly possible, but the way this is kind of constructed is just, you know, you're just getting berated. You can't possibly focus on all the different things that they're jamming in front of you. And it's just people tend to check out. And I get it. You know, you don't, you, especially when it's almost like you're, it's kind of flavored with like the obviousness of how it's being used to manipulate you, if that makes sense. Like it's like you, you know, but you just get,

Starting point is 00:02:24 go, okay, I'm not even going to look. Like, I'm tired of being manipulated. And I think the Epstein thing is kind of a good example of that right now, which we're definitely going to get into today. But I wanted, as we last time, and that again, to the point of that's kind of the title, of the way, you know, we're going to continue to connect and talk about just what the hell's going on and the ideas like that, just trying to make sense of the chaos of the new cycle. But let's start with whatever is on your mind right now, you know, of the last, I mean, I look back actually, I'm surprised we didn't, we didn't, we didn't, we didn't, last month, did we? And I've planned to do every month. They just at the same point. So much going on. I didn't think about it. So over the last month and a half plus, you know, what is on your mind? What's pressing today?

Starting point is 00:03:00 What do you want to get into first? Well, I'm, I'm, you know, there's part of me that's, that's glad that the, that the, the MAGA right attach themselves so, so tightly to Trump and under the guise of, he's going to expose the Epstein files. And then it comes out and then he doesn't. And I'm glad that that's happening.

Starting point is 00:03:23 I'm glad that the, that his base is getting a taste of what the rest of us have, have been witnessing for a long, long time, which is they'll say one thing and do another. So it's, and that's frustrating in, general, but it's especially annoying when it comes to things as important as getting to the bottom

Starting point is 00:03:41 of child sexual exploitation by the people that he works with or the people who work for him in some respects. And so you could be willing to maybe excuse some of Trump's behavior and just call it politics, right? And I think maybe a segment of his base is kind of willing to accept that it might not go exactly according to plan. But when you turn your back on exposing what's going on to children, then you lose a certain segment of the base. And I'm glad that this is happening. Welcome to the party.

Starting point is 00:04:23 What took you so long? I mean, I suppose you get points for waking up to it. But this is how Donald Trump has behaved his entire life. and it's important now that whatever gets you to the party, I'm glad you're here, but this guy can't be trusted. Oh, and here's just the most current example of why he can't be trusted. And it has to do with something extremely important,

Starting point is 00:04:46 and that is the Jeffrey Epstein file. Now, I know that in our world of, we weren't really sitting around waiting for a file. I never thought I was going to get an Excel spreadsheet with an itemized, list of all the people that were there according to, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, these lists exist in a, in sort of a haphazard way in books and articles and podcasts that we've been doing over the last, you know, 10 years or so. So I'm, I guess I'm happy that people

Starting point is 00:05:22 are frustrated with Trump because for so long, there's been a segment that's just willing to excuse all of this. And it seems that we've found. finally found a line in the sand for some people. And that is when you are dismissive about what's happening to children. And so I'm glad we're talking about it. There's so more about Epstein to talk about than just this. But for what it's worth, I'm glad that this is the entry point into the conversation. Definitely. And what's interesting is the, you know, this is why I can't help but go back to like how these people, people, they're committing political suicide, career suicide, like what they're doing to a massive part of their base, they just can't understand.

Starting point is 00:06:08 Why would they do this? And that's why my mind goes to, well, there's plenty of things you could fill in to make that make sense. And one of them is obviously from some kind of outside influence. Maybe they're black men, but the pressure. You know, we can't assume any of that. But when you look at all of this, what I was getting to is why they would choose to, maybe this wasn't like by design, but this would be rolled out in the way it was,

Starting point is 00:06:26 when the Republicans are the ones that would be kind of stuck with it, when they're the ones that have been more than anybody, and rightly so in many ways, calling out the issue of pedophilia, the issue of the overlap with politics. And then this is, I mean, that to me is clumsy. I mean, there's no way you can think that was mapped out that way unless they're just, I mean, unless it's for some larger thing that we're not seeing yet, you know? And so it's just interesting to point that out that of all the people. And then that's actually why I use the picture I did today, too, that it's interesting, even before all this with like, with Diddy and how he owned part of Twitter. And that never really became a story despite the fact.

Starting point is 00:07:00 if it was anybody on the other side, you know, you know the same thing. It's just interesting, right? And so I'm with you on this. I think that it's an important moment to see how many people are just like, you know, and I don't think that it was that they were this entire time completely devoid of concern, that they've always been like, damn it, this is crazy. MRA shots are bad, but Kamala was worse, right, or whatever in their mind. Now this is the step too far. And so that's, this is the line we're seeing for this, okay, I can't let this be the case. This is too much for me. And it's, I mean, to what degree do you think that's happening? Because everyone's kind of, it's hard to really read it.

Starting point is 00:07:32 Do you think this is like a breaking of this movement? Or do you think there's just a part of it breaking off? How do you read it? Well, I always go back to this very bizarre television interview I saw on C-SPAN with Tom DeLay, the former House Minority Leader, I think, back in 2015, and then he did it again in 2016. And he said, I just got out of a meeting at the Justice. with the Justice Department talking about how they're going to normalize 12 perversions, including beastiality and pedophilia. And the interviewer is going, I'm sorry, what?

Starting point is 00:08:07 You said, yeah, I was in this meeting. They talked about how they're going to roll it out. Now, when you hear that in 2015, you go, oh, get out of here. You know, like maybe, maybe not. Right. But fast forward a decade. And now take a look back and look at what Tom DeLay was talking about. And understand that he didn't say I had this meeting with some guy in some committee. He said the Justice Department. So when the Justice Department is in charge of normalizing 12 perversions, including pedophilia, then we've got a problem that goes beyond red team, blue team. We have a deep state that is infested with pedophiles.

Starting point is 00:08:47 And of course, it's not a surprise to us. You want to control people. that's the best way to have never-ending control over them. I mean, it's one thing to catch a guy who's cheating on his wife or is a closeted homosexual, and you can get the goods on him for only so long, right, before he gets a divorce or comes out of the closet, and then that's it. But there's no expiration date on the sexual abuse of children. This is a card you can play forever.

Starting point is 00:09:15 And so it's, and listening to Tom DeLay talk about this, and he was kind of throwing his hands up. He did it in two different occasions. I watched two different interviews with him talking about it. So it wasn't anything that he was clearly bent out of shape about this, and I think rightly so. But when you understand that, the idea that Trump's going to get to the bottom of the Epstein files,

Starting point is 00:09:40 the red team is going to do it, or maybe the red team isn't going to do it. Oh, that's terrible. They're all a bunch of petos. He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, hang on a sec. It's both teams. And it is the common thread that runs through the control structure and inside of politics. And you may be a bad guy who's got the, they've got the goods on you, or you may be a good guy who would love to blow the whistle, but you can't.

Starting point is 00:10:04 Because you saw what happened to Madison Cawthorne or you saw what happened to any host of people who've come forward and said, you know, these parties we go to are crazy at night. And then the next thing you know, you're primaried or you're thrown off a boat. somewhere or whatever. So it's been a component that runs through American, well, international politics, really, but America specific, since we're talking about it, this blackmail entrapment operations. And Epstein is now the retail face of it. But it's been happening for so long that it's become, in fact, normalized by these people. They get into this. And then you, you come out of politics and they say, what was that like? And you go, it's it's dirtier than you can possibly imagine.

Starting point is 00:10:50 And then they leave it at that. And this is what we're talking about. You want to control somebody, you get them to vote your way, one way or another on some bill that you're proposing. Well, the best way to do that is to make sure that you've got never-ending a set of blackmail files without an expiration date. And then you use that to just to legislate that way instead. And clearly, there's one.

Starting point is 00:11:15 obvious culprit out there that is well, well known for its sexual black male and all sorts of blackmail. And it's kind of the point that I'm getting at. And we'll talk about this in a second, actually, just to start this category off. This is, this is writing me up when you brought it up. This is, it's the point of Israel and the overlap in this conversation. It's not hypothetical. You can see many reports over the years saying that it's become a safe haven for pedophiles. You can see the reports of the IDF where I think it was 2017. They said one and six girls in women in the IDF are being abused. And then you jump to 2020 and it's now one and three. You know, Like there's a very obvious problem going on.

Starting point is 00:11:46 This is brand new. I just covered this. It gets very little attention. Survivors testify. Members of Knesset participate in sadistic, sexual rituals involving minors. And this is large. There were members of Knesset that stood up and called this a watershed moment. They had many people testifying.

Starting point is 00:12:01 You know, it's a very big problem. And it's not just Israel, but I think it's worth noting the obvious infiltration, you know, what we're seeing in the world today. But before we get into all that, the point with Tucker and Sagar, I think is how you say his name, right, from breaking point. points, that point that he made, which I, you know, I'm glad the point's getting a lot of reach. I just, it's always so frustrating for the, you know, the people that I don't think are, I mean, it's not even relevant to bring it up every time, which is the Johnny come lately point to

Starting point is 00:12:26 where people are sort of like into this at the last moment when it's already become, you know, and then that kind of guides into the next manipulation. I hope they're honest, Tucker included. I just question it. But the point of they're signaling to those people that we have your back, essentially, to kind of paraphrase it, right? Did you see that point? No, I didn't see that point, but I know what you're talking about with regard to the timing of it. It's, it's, it's, you know, when in retrospect, people will ask the question, were you covering this? And the answer will be, yes, I was covering it. And then the follow up question has to be, when were you covering it? If you're Tucker Carlson and you're covering vaccines in 2025, I'm not impressed. If you're covering it in 2021, now we're talking. Right. So, so when, when are, when were we talking?

Starting point is 00:13:13 about the Epstein situation when it was front page news and somebody who who parachutes into the conversation at the last minute and wants to get into the you know i know about the epstein well where were you when it was you know as Sam triply calls it they're safe dangerous and then there's dangerous dangerous right where were you when it was dangerous dangerous to talk about Jeffrey Epstein and to do all of this and i know it's not necessarily a contest to see who is here first and but i think it can see it but if that's true But it plays into, it takes a while to really understand the depths of this network. And if you're just figuring out about Jeffrey Epstein now, good, I'm glad. I'm glad you're,

Starting point is 00:14:00 I'm glad you're at the party now and you're understanding that there are control structure set up like this. And once you understand, you know, get a good grip on Epstein, then just expand that out and find, you know, and realize that it's happening a variety of places. But you need to, that information needs to percolate for a while, you know, for you to understand the connections and where this comes from and how long it's been going on and where the players really go. That's why I, you know, I sort of half jokingly say, like, if you want the Epstein list, go read Whitney's One Nation under Blackmail Volume 2.

Starting point is 00:14:33 And if you do that, it's not a list per se, but it's an explanation of the organizational structure surrounding that system. And you can say, well, these people were involved. And it's not an itemized list of every single person who went to the island. But it gives you an idea of how the control structures work. Oh, and by the way, if you think the island was all that he was up to, you know, just wait until you hear about everything else that he had, that he had been doing for 40 years, too. Again, this isn't something where a guy just got busted. He went on a, you know, a five-year bender where he was pimping out children and got no no no this was going on for four decades he was involved in all kinds of things and it wasn't just trafficking it was ponzi schemes and financial crimes and

Starting point is 00:15:18 you name it so so so um you know so so i guess for for people that are just kind of easing into the upstein uh topic like it's a perfect topic to get into because it it is it is a spider web of rabbit holes man i mean you go down one and it connects to a bunch of other things. You think you're dealing with just Israel or sexual blackmail and then you pop up on the other side in transhumanism in New Mexico. And you go, how do these connect? You go, well, they connect because once you understand who this guy was working with in that network,

Starting point is 00:15:55 then you see that there's a much bigger play here and that the sexual blackmail entrapment, though great for headlines and definitely get your attention and is disgusting and worthy of examination, it's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this guy. Right. And it's also like in the context of the control mechanism, it is it is one of the most important points to how they control the rest of that in a lot of ways and the cover up of those stories, right? And influencing politics in certain areas that get them what they need in those, you know, this and they just again, not always the same group person, but the hierarchy, the power is around these things. And so the other point though in case that was lost other than the Tucker point was that what he said on that interview was basically his opinion and that Tucker, the way they responded about it was interesting. It's worked. watching, but that it is Trump's administration by doing what they're doing or signaling to the other Epstein's, the Israel governments of the world, that we have your back, right? That we everyone knows we're lying. They all know we know, right, the whole thing. It's very public. Everyone knows.

Starting point is 00:16:53 Tucker's call. They're all talking about it like we all know this and true. And it's about saying, and like that line in the sand, showing the people that we're on the side of you, not the American people or anybody else. And that we're willing to stand this line as long as you keep us in power. It's a very important thing to think about. But again, nothing new. If you've been watching, any of the work we're talking about, about how this all works. So let's look at this first part, and we'll go through some of the Epstein part, since I do agree this is, and again, it's not even just the individual moving part that we're seeing, like you're saying, Charlie, it's, this is a huge story for so many other reasons than just what's in front of you.

Starting point is 00:17:25 But this is so interesting, just as an almost entertaining in a way, to be honest, it wasn't so alarming and terrifying, that Trump has now effectively shifted this into, it was a Democrat hoax and is not backing down. This is the second time he said that. And so now we'll play this clip and we can look at that and talk about it as well as the, I mean, I don't know, the better word than embarrassing for the Charlie Kirk's and Tim Pools out there who are trying to act like, you know, let's move forward. And like, despite all of their statements before, it's, it is wild. So let's watch this and we can comment on it. No, no, she's, she's given us just a very quick briefing.

Starting point is 00:17:59 And in terms of the credibility of the different things that they've seen. And I would say that, you know, these files were made up by Comey. They were made up by Obama. They were made up by the Biden. And we went through years of that with the Russia, Russia, Russia, hugs, with all of the different things that we had to go through. We've gone through years of it. But she's handled it very well, and it's going to be up to her.

Starting point is 00:18:24 Whatever she thinks is credible, she should release. Your thoughts. You can just see the wheels turning, right? We've got this very fake thing, Russia gate. And Comey and Clapper and all the usual characters were involved in it. And we know it's fake and it was fake. And they were doing it. Now, all we have to do is take this Epstein file and then just move it and put it on the same pile as the rest of this other stuff.

Starting point is 00:18:55 See, it's all fake just like the rest of their things. This is how this is how the mainstream media lies to us on the daily. It's 90% truth, 10% lies. Right. And then good luck to you. you, you get to figure out what's what and where the lies are. It's it's it's blended in with all the other information in some sort of. I describe this in my one of my books is the way that with the Smith-Mut modernization Act of 2012, it legalized the it legalized disinformation to be used.

Starting point is 00:19:33 And I think of it like a peanut butter manufacturing facility, you know, like the EPA tells like, you know, you can, you can acceptably have this amount of bugs in your, in your peanut butter, right? It's a, you know, a cricket and a half per jar, whatever the math works out to. So you have to figure out where the disinformation crickets are in your peanut butter. You know, it's all blended in there somehow. And there's a certain allowable amount of nonsense that can go into there. And then you watch it. You turn on your TV.

Starting point is 00:20:01 You think they're going to tell you the truth. And it's your job to figure out where the lies are and where the truth is. So when Trump gives that statement talking about Comey, talking about Russia Gate, Russia, Rush, Russia. They did all that. That's all truth, right? That's what they were doing. But then he takes the Epstein thing and just adds it to that pile, which isn't true. And next thing you know, he's he's stashed it away and said, no, it's no different from the rest of this. We're, you know, it's time to move on. And I don't even know necessarily, Ryan, if that messaging is for you and me. because clearly it's laughable and we roll our eyes whenever we see something like that.

Starting point is 00:20:38 But for a segment of the population and for the social media influencers out there, the word has gone out. You know, we're charting a course forward. We're not living in the past of Epstein. That was last week, man. We're working on other things. By the way, that's all Democrats doing that. It's not. Despite all the same people screaming for the last two years that he would.

Starting point is 00:21:02 you know, this was coming, it's coming, it's coming. And now it's like, Epstein still. You know, it's a really weird, jarring shift. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and what's it and I'm glad, I'm glad these people that were saying for the last two years, he's going to release the files. He's going to release. And then the binders come out and everybody parades outside of the White House and takes their pictures with it. Good. Good. Good. I want you all to look as clownish as possible. You should have to own this forever. If you went out there and said, once Trump gets in office again,

Starting point is 00:21:32 then he'll release the Epstein files again, then you're a sucker. And you deserve the humiliation that comes along with believing that Donald Trump is going to say, is going to do what he says he's going to do, especially when what he says he's going to do is damage the empire that he is now, and has always been a part of this. These are his people. There's no benefit to selling them out to the general public. everybody who's on the Epstein list, when you can now instead

Starting point is 00:22:04 leverage them yourself. You become Jeffrey Epstein. Magnanimous. I could have released all this information on you, Bob, and it ruined your career and they were to put you in jail and you lost your higher level banking job. But I didn't.

Starting point is 00:22:19 I kept it quiet. Now you owe me one. So like imagine that times a million. Donald Trump in charge or his administration in some way controlling this, the flow of Epstein files and making a determination that they don't go out to the public, oh, if you're the guy who was on tape and he just spared you, congratulations. You now work for his administration in some way, shape, or form. So it's disgusting, but I think these people

Starting point is 00:22:50 that were cheerleading this and that we're saying, oh, this time it's different, I think they should have to stand in humiliation and own this, because you were wrong again when you said that Donald Trump was going to come in here and save the day. He's not that type of person. He's never coming to save the day. You're just an ideological zealot, and you've been had again. Yeah, definitely. I mean, the question is, why didn't Donald Trump release this in his first administration?

Starting point is 00:23:17 Right? Are we to believe somehow didn't he had all this in front of him? And, you know, I just didn't do that and then allowed them to alter it. Like, you know, there's just, there are pieces that just don't make sense, you know, or the idea of that, you know, interestingly how this has evolved with his truth social post he put out, which is kind of where this started. He didn't really say hoax, right? But that's what the clear implication was. What I think is interesting is how after they put the feelers out and you watch the Benny Johnson's and Alex Jones and all them kind of rush into it, it develops in the social

Starting point is 00:23:48 media field, right? And so what's interesting is now he comes back out and just goes hoax. You wonder if that was really what he was doing or he just does his usual kind of like, here's three different things. Right down the. middle. Like, how do you guys read that? You're mad at me? You know, how's this work? And clearly, I mean, he got ratioed on true social, which is pretty insane to me. You know, and so he clearly goes like, whoa, okay. And then now they're circling the wagons and those same people are just like, you know, moving forward. But I just think it's interesting to wonder whether that was really the plan to begin with, because how can you actually argue this is a hoax for a thousand different reasons.

Starting point is 00:24:20 And so that goes back to the original point that it's marching orders for me. Like he is going, this is how we're going to move past this. Not that we'll win. They'll all know you're lying, but this is how we're going to stick together. We'll just call it a hoax and move forward, right? That's what, and, you know, they, it's interesting how the left will read this. And there's so many different moving parts to this. But let's go over the different comments on this. And then what people have said, because this is just really fascinating to me.

Starting point is 00:24:43 Like, so Glenn Greenwald calls us out and it says, what is, what is in the Epstein document that is causing Trump now to insist over and over that they're all forged and fake documents fabricated by Comey, Obama, Hillary, and Biden? This is, this is you, which is about how I've noticed. account lately. It just exploded because they're just highlighting all the Republicans getting caught lying about this stuff. But there's DeSosa saying, you know, breaking in 2025 February, new confirmed U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi's calling for the Epstein client list to be released to the public. This is what Americans want, expose the evil. Then it says, it's time to move on for Epstein. You just can't pack that up. Like you look like a complete dishonest person, which you are. Here's Charlie Kirk. You probably saw this one. We mentioned it, right, saying that Trump told me. And so let's move on. Here's reset.

Starting point is 00:25:26 I'm done talking about Epstein for the time being. I'm going to trust my friends in the administration. I'm going to trust my friends in the government to do what needs to be done, solve it, balls in their hands. I've said plenty of this last weekend. So if you guys want to see my commentary on it, that's fine. Trust my friends in the gut. At first we joke in this this morning and wake up, like, you know, kind of like a,

Starting point is 00:25:50 like a groupie or something, you know, like he just wants to decide my friend. They're all my friends. I know them. I know them. They're friends. you know, they're how it feels, but also just this idea that you're going to trust people in the power. Like, nobody takes that seriously other than sycophants and followers, you know, it's very strange. One more thing in the comment.

Starting point is 00:26:05 And this is what he said after this. Keith Woods called it out saying, doesn't that seem like the best messaging for conservatives by Epstein? And he says wrong. Not what I said, even though it is. Also, keep up with the news. Things are happening. So go ahead and comment. This is them going, look over there.

Starting point is 00:26:21 There's your old news. This is what we're talking about, the different, the auto pen. bombshell, that's what they're actually pointing at. But go ahead. What are your thoughts on that? Yeah, the irony of Charlie Kirk deciding that he's done talking about Epstein. Were you ever talking about Epstein? Because I never heard any anything about that. I never. Oh, okay. Yeah. So he must be exhausted. He's ready to move on to the next thing. Yeah. I'm going to go ahead and just trust my government is the is what is like the last thing that goes through people's minds as they're put up against the wall and execute. by the government. This has been going on forever. The idea that people are going to just blindly trust the government is insane. But again, I actually like this. Yeah. I want these people to self-emolate on camera.

Starting point is 00:27:13 I want this to happen because the Benny Johnson's and the Charlie Kirk's of the world, they can never do. There's not enough people, but some of the people who followed them are going to go, get out of here. Like I, you're done, you know, how many people has Tim Poole lost from his audience? Half. I mean, people can't. People can't. Oh, you come out of a meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu. And then anything you tell me about that topic moving forward from that moment until the day I die, I'm not interested in because you're stained by that. Charlie Kirk is stained by this. Hey, aren't you the guy that said it's time to move on and not worry about. the Epstein fells. How would you feel if your kid, if your daughter was, you know, was a victim of the one of it? Well, how would you feel if your kid bought the little Sophia doll that Jeffrey Epstein and Ben Gertzell created? Same thing. Same thing. Right. What if it was your kid that was hurt by the vaccine, which is a fair point, right? Just the pop, the hypocrisy of the thing they care about versus what they care about. I always think it's interesting. There's no, there's no anchoring in any sort of belief system. Because,

Starting point is 00:28:25 if there was, you would be against child trafficking, whether it was the Democrats or the Republicans doing it. And if you ever turn that into a team sport, that's more of a indictment on the person than it is anything else. It's like, well, if you're willing to overlook the Epstein files, simply because your guy told you to overlook it, then you have to be honest with yourself and say that you're not much of a man. You're not much of a human being at this point. You're just playing team sports and hoping that they throw you a bone if you're Charlie Kirk or Benny Johnson. Well, I enjoy whatever this is that you have now while you have it because it's going away. Your credibility is done. It's embarrassing. One of the deviation points, too, is that remember, like the way that this kind of spun into the

Starting point is 00:29:11 conversation was because of mostly Tucker's speech attorney point, right? But the reason that started is because Charlie Kirk invited him and Megan Kelly had that whole talk on stage. And so now Charlie Kirk is being framed by like the Loomers as the one who's, you know, you're a trait. because you had Dave Smith and Tucker Carlson give a different opinion than we scream at everybody. But it's interesting that the argument is not that Charlie Kirk is this is kind of the same point to make about Tucker and the rest. I don't think he's waking up to this. It's been there the whole time. He recognizes, like I think a lot of them do, that they'll become immediately irrelevant if they don't start talking about the obvious thing that everybody sees. So they try to edge into it.

Starting point is 00:29:46 But their audience is captured and they scream at him. You know, the question is, how many of that do you think of thoughts? Tim pool, the rest of it. I mean, I really don't want, I can't, I can't, I don't want to believe. believe that that many people are that willing to ignore, you know, the facts or that they don't care, you know, so what do you think, estimation? What do you think is going on? That many bad people, dumb people, bots? Well, there are bots. We know that. The question is how much of this is bot related. And then maybe the follow-up question is, how many human beings have you interacted

Starting point is 00:30:18 with that might as well be bots? You know, their level of thinking is bot-like. They move in heard. They're not very anchored in any beliefs. They're sort of, they sort of go with wherever the predominant mass is taking them. I think there are a lot of very uninformed people out there. I think there are people that rightly believe that the Democratic Party is unhinged psychopaths. And so they're looking, so they're thinking, well, the opposite party must be the opposite of that, which is, of course, a miscalculation. So I think that there's, are a lot of people that are seeing what's wrong with our world and want somebody to come and fix it. But they haven't really figured out the game. That these guys are characters and that there's,

Starting point is 00:31:06 this is a bit scripted and not quite as organic as they'd like to believe. And that if a character does come out of the blue to save you, you should be very suspicious of that, especially if he's with the government as Donald Trump is. So I think that there are some people that are going to be ideologically aligned with Donald Trump, no matter what he does. As he said, I could shoot somebody in the middle of the street and they'd still vote for me. So there's that segment. I think there's a segment of people that just want somebody to fix this and they're going to get disenchanted with Donald Trump. And within the next two or three years, they'll be begging for somebody from the Democratic side to come save them, right? Because they won't figure this out. And then there'll be us. We're infuriated with both sides

Starting point is 00:31:51 because we understand the game a little bit better. We started looking into the game before, you know, some of the newer people that have come to this party. And we can see it all laid out right in front of us. We can understand the majority of the moves that are being made. I think it's an evolution for people. I think a lot of the people that are watching these right-leaning, Turning Point USA things, I think that I think a large percentage of them want things to be better.

Starting point is 00:32:19 And they think that this. is how it's going to be better. What they're what they haven't understood is that in order for things to get better, you have to remove your attention from the system, not add more to of it to the system because if you're trying to change the system from inside, it's it has protection mechanisms that just don't allow that. You have to build a better mouse trap outside and then suck people off that way, which might actually wind up taking us into a conversation about Elon Musk's America first third party that he's talking about. And speaking of a of sort of a Pied Piper strategy to peel people away from the establishment and funnel them into a new cul-de-sac, we have this America First idea, this concept of America

Starting point is 00:33:04 First, which I read a great article by Alexander Dugan today talking about that. And he was saying, you know, this MAGA component is really always kind of was a third party, if you think about it, because the Democrats are one way, and the Republicans are sort of a different version of this, but the MAGA people really are nationalists that want what's best for their country. And that really isn't represented by the red team or the blue team. And in fact, Elon Musk has a real opportunity. Might not be the best one, but it's an interesting opportunity to start this third party. Of course, you and I both know it'll eventually lead into AI governance.

Starting point is 00:33:42 It'll be like, oh, these human being politicians are so easily compromised with Epstein stuff and money. and whatnot. We need a better form of government, maybe a government that isn't biased in that way. And let me introduce you to GROC 5, now running your local government. So I don't think of this as being a solution. Let me be clear that Elon Musk's third party, I don't see it as a solution. I see it as a continuation of this play that we're watching, right? This guy's mad at this guy and then they fight and then Trump and Musk are best friends. And we all. saw that immediately like they're going to fight like they're going to break up no way these two hotheads are so volatile and then and then Elon leaves and says you know orange man is bad after

Starting point is 00:34:27 all let me do this I'll start this third party and it definitely won't be controlled by Peter Thiel and all those guys right wink wink but we'll we'll make it more it'll be fair and it'll be this and he does have money and he does have a long track record of getting things done but I do find it interesting that the guy who has made a living off of government contracts is going to introduce the third party to the government and then bring down the government that he himself is dependent on. So I'm always a bit, you know, I'm always keeping that in the back of my mind, that Elon is the biggest government contractor in the world right now. So I don't know.

Starting point is 00:35:01 Let's talk about the third party point, a little more. Let's go through the rest of these Epstein points. And I want to talk about the third party point before we overlap it with where I think it's really about like, you know, I'm very skeptical as I think we all should be with anything even politically related, especially the third party shoe that we wait for to drop for a long time, you know, the ploy knowing we want that kind of thing. But I think, you know, I get the sense, I'll jump back briefly, that it's, you know, even Doge.

Starting point is 00:35:24 I was thinking about this today. What I think we really saw there was that Elon, it's all, AI is what they're all about right now. Like that is a huge, you know, one of the major elements of everything that's happening. And I think they clearly needed all the information, you know, like the unfettered access, both Israel, Palantier, Elon Musk, everything they're doing. They were given open, unfettered access to everything about you out there watching everything in this country, right? And so now he got what he wanted.

Starting point is 00:35:48 So he doesn't need this anymore, right? He dropped this. I'm out of here. Moves over here. Let's pretend we broke up. Or maybe it's real. I don't think they like each other. And now we're starting this.

Starting point is 00:35:55 And, you know, Texas Star City, whatever it's called, the AXAI. And it's all kind of exploding. And, you know, now we're still over here digging through, you know, look at 2020, Autopenn, Joe, you know, we're like distracted while this whole thing is building around us. So let's come back to that. Let me just rattle these off really quickly so we can see the rest of these. This is funny. D.C. Dr.

Starting point is 00:36:13 know, this is Trump going, I've always suspected Adam Schiff was a scam artist, but yeah, they're all liars, but this is now a whole new scandal. Look over here at the Democrat cheating, you know, whoa, whoa, you know, president Trump just called on Adam Schiff, he's a felon. You know, these are them going, whoa, like, in my opinion, stop talking about what we're all doing, you know, shift for prison. See, here's Tim Poole. No one's above the law. Can you imagine saying that right now? What's going on? It's just wild. Here's Tim for about a Barnum statement. Seriously, molly. Tim says, this is what I find most hilarious. It's, almost like he's trying to play. This is what they do, like, am kind of trolling, but this is what

Starting point is 00:36:47 they're actually pushing, right? He says, absolutely insane that Democrats actually voted to have the U.S. government published child porn. Now, even Grock will tell you, that's not what they're saying. They're talking about them, we want the Epstein files. And now the Republicans are going, we can't do that. That's child porn stuff. And so there's Tim Poole outraged about releasing the Epstein files. And that's how he's trying to frame that. And here's funny, this is you. Tim Poole, February. Pombotti said the Epstein list is on. her desk, release the list, expose the criminals. And now I can't believe they voted to do that.

Starting point is 00:37:18 Right. You know, you don't comment that real quick, since that's just absurdly funny. This idea that the list is going to be full, unredacted videos of all these people involved in child pornography, nobody is asking for that. And as far as I know, nobody was expecting that or pushing for it. We just wanted to know who all the people were that are on the videos. not that we need to see the videos themselves. So this idea like, oh, we can't release that.

Starting point is 00:37:48 That would be illegal for us to release. We're not asking you to do it. Strip all the names of the people, you know, that you're watching in these videos. Give us those names, right? Or, you know, have a trusted partner who's, you know, go in there and, you know, watch it himself and make the list. But this idea that they were going to like release all this information, it's like, no, that is not in any way.

Starting point is 00:38:13 shape or form what the American people were waiting for. We weren't waiting for child porn to be shown to us on video. It's not about that. But of course, they conflate the two things. And what these mainstream alternative media people are doing is, well, it's embarrassing, frankly. But it's not surprising to try and control the narrative and to move on. And hey, listen, we've got Adam Schiff right where we want him. Didn't we have this conversation in 2016 and 2017, 2018, 2019? Like this isn't new. Adam Schiff's been a bad guy forever. This isn't some sort of breaking headline or anything like this. I just don't. It's just the distraction. And I think they understand how the mainstream media news cycle works that you've got 48, 72 hours.

Starting point is 00:39:07 You just have to wait it out. I don't know. The cycle's probably less on social media. because everything is amplified. But they'll just write it out. You know, next week or next month, they'll be a new thing. And then we'll be on to the next topic, right? And Epstein will be sort of forgotten in trash. And some group, you know, segment of the population will say, oh, yeah, you know, they'll live the rest of their lives thinking, yeah, that was some democratic hopes that they put.

Starting point is 00:39:36 Yeah, that was, you know, and they'll never have the intellectual curiosity to dig into it and find out if they or lied to. And frankly, it's never going to matter for them or for their lives. They're just going to live their lives believing nonsense, which is fine. But for us, it's important that we get it right and that we hammer on people like Tim Poole and Charlie Kirk's of the world that are trying to, like, if you're trying to clean up the mess of the Republican Party who's deeply involved in child pornography, then you are a bad guy too. You're not allowed to be anywhere or near it and helping out. It just, it's weird to me that the Republicans didn't say, hey, look, I, you know, I want the list too, but this is unacceptable, right? There's been no

Starting point is 00:40:20 breaking away from that. It's been, it's everybody is in unison on this. There's no, there's no outliers. The Republicans, I think, I've, now, this is off the top what I saw circulating today. So keep that in mind, but the headlines circulating were that the Democrats were essentially the ones that block this, right? Which is obvious when you think about it. But I just don't know who and what ways and the different breakdowns. But what's crazy about this is just that, you know, it's obviously not, I mean, you can read every, read for yourself out there. They were not going, we want the child porn released, right? They're saying release the list. So he's just in a very dishonest way, framing that as that's what they wanted. Why? Because he knows that the intellectual lightweights out there are going to go,

Starting point is 00:41:01 oh, the Democrats are pedophiles. So it all lines up. You know, just ignore the obvious thing that they just turned into the, they just shifted direction, you know, it's just really embarrassing. And it'd be, but there must be something driving that. Here's Eagle Guntherman. It's sickening the lengths Democrats will go to protect pedophiles. Here he is eight hours ago. F. FYI, the Rules House Committee just votes seven to five to block an amendment pushing for full vote on the release in the Epstein files. You know, it's, and the point is they're all in line with where this is going. Here's five times August. Charlie Kirk says, Fauci was pardoned in the dead of night by Autopin. You know, St. Fauci, the Trump gave a medal to.

Starting point is 00:41:36 we don't care about that. The use of Autopen was approved by White House AIDS, which again, nobody has proven or verified that this is anything other than Biden using an Autopent. I wouldn't surprise me if somebody else was using it for him. But the insinuation of the assumption is that somebody else did because he was out of his mind, which is true. But they don't have that proof. It'll never, in the court dynamic will never come. They're just using this to distract, is my opinion. You know, the Autopin point. And five times August says, if you think our government is going to do something about Fauci's crimes after telling you to forget about Epstein, I've got a bridge to sell you. Here's Alex Jones and I can't believe what Trump

Starting point is 00:42:09 world is doing to itself. He's, guys, this guy's the worst of it all. He's just very clearly trying to like ride this wave as if he's the one like he's independent of it all. You know, it's just so crazy. And this is something I thought you'd think is interesting. We can talk about this in the last part. Jeffrey Epstein's accomplice, Just Lane Maxwell is now claiming she's ready to reveal the truth, whatever that really means about the list. And what's interesting is that, I was reading through this yesterday, that what they're now arguing, Trump claiming it's a hoax, suddenly adds new light to her case, doesn't it? Because now she's going, oh, her lawyers are going,

Starting point is 00:42:39 oh, well, if there's no list, if it's a hoax, you can't charge her with trafficking because there was no clients. And so she's going, perfect, we're going to come back to this court unless Trump does, you know, works with that. That's kind of what's happening right now. And so they're trying to block her from being able to go back to court. I bet you they're working behind the scenes. Go ahead and comment.

Starting point is 00:42:54 This is just really interesting development. If you want to. I'd be very careful if the cameras in my cell turned off if I heard her. Yeah, you know what I mean? Right. she's a she's a she's a she's a she's a she's a she's a much bigger machine you know this is this is uh this this is something that we've been discussing for years uh this network and as they said you know jeffrey eustin didn't traffic children to nobody right there had to have been a client

Starting point is 00:43:25 like well it's like well what are we talking here are we talking about um uh videos are we talking about how many people who was on the airplane, who was showing up for fun with physics at the island? I mean, just because you were there doesn't necessarily mean that the worst potential, you know, the worst possible situation happened. I mean, I read into some of the events that were going on there with regard to the scientists. And, you know, the scientist, the scientific component of what was happening in Jeffrey Epstein's island was, was definitely bizarre. and his interest in physics was a huge curveball that I think a lot of people that dug into this

Starting point is 00:44:10 didn't really understand. I mean, they could get the child trafficking and the Ponzi schemes, but how does physics work into this whole thing? But, you know, the role of the Maxwell family, well, I mean, like I've got a stack of documents on them. And by the way, it's not limited to Galane. right there's there's other sisters uh isabel and christine and then they were up to no good uh as well so

Starting point is 00:44:37 this this i i can see it now i can i can see this now by the time the mainstream media gets done with their makeover campaign we're going to have galane maxwell as the victim in all of this where she was just under the thumb of epstein she was put in prison by the dirty deep state that wanted to keep her silent about a list that didn't exist and now we've got to free her because is she's being held there. She's a damsel in distress who didn't have anything to do with it. It was just along for the ride. You know,

Starting point is 00:45:07 maybe based on her childhood with Robert Maxwell, didn't have the greatest of influences and found herself. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. She's a dirty operator as well. And this whole situation was very real. But I can almost, I can almost see the media trying to, and then the social media influencers as well, trying to whitewash her reputation and bring her back as some sort of victim in this whole thing

Starting point is 00:45:32 and to come out and she's going to give us the list and she's going to make sure that the deep state is held accountable and blah, blah, blah, blah, and it'll go on and then you'll never hear it again. Yeah, it makes sense. I mean, and maybe that's all because she now has some leverage because they're seemingly incompetent, didn't think through the statements in front of the media. You know, like there's a lot of moving parts. Here's Jack Basobic and this is today trying to, this is where it's now turning. Now, what's funny is there was all these floated claims that Bonino and Casper had already stepped down. And that seemed to be a bunch of grifters online who were misunderstanding an Atlantic parody that went out or like a satire.

Starting point is 00:46:07 But either way, they seem to still be there. And even Bondi. And Trump's clearly backed her. But it says Trump says Bondi should release the files. So this is an interesting kind of, you know, he's still backing her, right? But you can tell this is what he does with Grubio too. He's kind of like, it's up to them. It's their fault.

Starting point is 00:46:23 It's their responsibility, which is just insane. You know, here is Dershowitz coming out now at the same time. and saying judges are suppressing the information. So, you know, it's like these things don't add up together. I just think this, as always has the hallmarks of what I've become accustomed to in Israeli propaganda. A lie over here or lie over there. Here's three at the same time.

Starting point is 00:46:41 Which one do you like? Right? Keep throwing out adaptations to the lie until you finally just ignore it or keep it. You know, that's what we keep seeing in all of this. Here is, this is from today, man who served time in same cell as Epstein says there's no way he was able to kill himself, which again, we already know all of this. We've already parsed through all this. We've broken these things down.

Starting point is 00:46:57 That's why we know largely that they're lying. Here is Guntherman, and this is to kind of push into the direction. President Trump said the auto pen scandal is, quote, the biggest scandals we've had in 50 to 100 years. That feels like obvious. Don't look. Don't look here. Lastly, at the same point, I just said, the only people now pushing this are blind followers and opportunists. Remember who they are.

Starting point is 00:47:19 Also be skeptical of those who suddenly see the light when it's been obvious for a long time. Hope they changed, but question it until they prove out over a very long period of time. Now, he says many of them will support Palantir Vance in 2018 and still believe voting is the solution, kind of what we were saying, right? This is his opinion. They'll claim Vance learn from his lessons from Trump and moved on. This is a thought to carry it off this, you know, that it's easy to see how this perpetuates as long as they just give you something that seems to make sense, you know, and people will jump on it. So it's just very, very alarming where this all goes. Any last thoughts on Epstein before we talk about the overlap to this, the AI point that I thought was interesting?

Starting point is 00:47:54 No, let's jump into AI. Let's do it. Okay. How much time do you have today, by the way? Much as you need. Awesome. Yeah, we'll probably go that much longer, but just because since there's a lot to get into, let's talk about this. This is, just to start it off, this is Thomas, Thomas Massey pointed this out. And he said, they blocked consideration of my amendments, the Clarity Act, which would have prohibited central bank digital currencies as well. And this is Marjor Tiller-Green pointing out the Genius Act saying the House has voted on this, which plays the groundwork for CBDCs.

Starting point is 00:48:26 So the point is that there's clearly effort right now to allow this groundwork through multiple either bills or stopping ones trying to prevent it to allow the direction of sort of this CBDC stable coin aspect. I just included that today, but it's definitely in the same wheelhouse as the AI conversation. It's all these moving parts to the building technocracy. And I thought this is interesting is that Elon Musk has this place in Texas. And this all relates to the AI water point, which we'll stop on to talk about, that Elon Musk has built this, this, Everyone wants to watch this actually. It's really interesting. This is a video about the town, and I believe it's Minnesota. And what we're talking about is how Elon Musk has created this massive sprawling thing. And with no really oversight, he rushed this through, nobody knew what was

Starting point is 00:49:08 happening. And now it seems as if they're not only as the title says, we went to the town, Elon Musk is poisoning. And you can see that not only is it what's happening around it. And same thing we'll talk about when it comes to these other locations. This is, I believe, Texas as well, their water tap ran dry when meta built next door. The point is, that they are using these turbines to massively increase this energy, which is causing all sorts of really terrible side effects. And to me, it all comes back to the same point, that there's an end game here.

Starting point is 00:49:35 They're rushing through to get this done. At a same time, when they're flirting with no AI regulation, you know, all these different parts. Like, this is what's going on right now, guys. And it's like it doesn't just involve one group. I think it involves all the people we're talking about. So I think it's really alarming when you realize that this just overlap with the weather manipulation. I don't know if you looked into the rainmaker guy who,

Starting point is 00:49:55 Alan's just on. He's kind of like this another Palantier, Lucky Palmer look-alike type. Palmer, Mullet guy. Yeah. And so he's runs Rainmaker, and he admitted more than once, I even showed his interview with Sean Ryan, where he said on July 2nd, they had weather seat, cloud seeded, they do it in Texas,

Starting point is 00:50:11 they do it in Tennessee, they do it all over the place, which is real, they admit to it, but he claims has no effect on what happened. I just went through that to think it was interesting and then stumbled into the larger conversation, which is weather manipulation for artificial intelligence or rather possibly creating more rainfall because it becomes very obvious that this is a major problem.

Starting point is 00:50:30 Like sustainable, like the idea that it's impossible that this will be sustainable unless we rapidly increase the amount of freshwater that we have. And so just to read this and then we'll talk about it, my point on this was just whether or not that's happening, you know, increasing rainfall because we seem to have record rainfall and floods happening all over the country right now. A megawatt is equal to one million watt. This is the article describing the amount of the energy in general. What is the rate at which energy is used and produced?

Starting point is 00:50:53 For example, 100 watt light bulb uses 100 watt hours, whereas one megawatt could light two 60 watt light bulbs nonstop for a year or run two fringes for a whole year. In 2021, the United States used 11,595 gallons of water per megawatt hour for cooling just power plants, according to U.S. energy information. Now, Sam Altman, co-founder and CEO of OpenAI, claimed in a recent blog post, which they dispute in this article, would say they say without providing evidence, that each chat GPT, same point for crock by the way if not even worse based on some other factors one the evidence they provide the evidence that each chat gpt a person enters uses 0.34 megawatts or what he describes as quote roughly 1 15 a teaspoon of water

Starting point is 00:51:39 and this is pretty much roundly disputed by people that have been doing this research studies were in this links right here to this study from 2023 different results a 2023 conducted by university of california that basically found the chat GPT to write one 100-word email consumed 17 ounces of water, one email. But taking the information from this other study and saying they used 11,595 gallons per megawatt hour for a power plant and knowing that's happening more, I mean, somewhere in there,

Starting point is 00:52:12 even if it's 0.35 or roughly 1 5th of a teaspoon in regard to how much they're using, that still presents an interesting problem. But the amount of water, and again, the larger point if you look into this, is this is coming out left and right, is that the amount of water they're consuming to do one thing is like, like gallons, if not somewhere with that range, just to go, hey, Grock, answer this question for me. And so that in general becomes insane to me. And the other resources we're talking about, like the courts stand from, you know, spruce pines, different things. They're like overtaking small towns for what they're using. I just think this is a setup to fail, if not just to create another scarcity resource that we're controlled by. I know I'm a conspiracy theorist, right? But what are your thoughts on that? That's where I was, that's where my mind goes with this. We all understand the energy, uh, usage is of AI.

Starting point is 00:52:57 We understand we hear meta talking about firing up third three mile island again. And like, let's let's have some nuclear energy facilities to produce, you know, to, to power these AI data centers. I think we understand that. The water side of things is a little trickier because I don't think that most people associate those two things together. Why? What do we need water for? what are we spraying it down with a hose or what's happening? And so my mind immediately goes to, oh, it uses this new thing that we've created uses a disproportionate amount of water,

Starting point is 00:53:33 which is a tangible resource that you could measure and, you know, another one of those measurables like carbon dioxide and whatnot, that eventually will become scarce, regulated, controlled by Nestle Corporation, who's obviously talked about this, talked about it at Bilderberg, Bush family owning that massive freshwater ranch in South America. And there's going to be water wars. I mean, we haven't got to that part of the play yet, of course, but we will eventually get there. And I can envision a scenario in which the United States has a variety of problems happening simultaneously with regard to AI. First, we have a power generation gap because somebody in California decided that they were going to reimagine the whole power grid there and never upgrade it, you know, over 50 years and try to run electric cars

Starting point is 00:54:33 and all those things and destroy that. So we definitely need power generation, but where are we going to get that? Are we going to keep burning coal? Are we going to do, you know, the nuclear thing? And then on top of that, okay, so we don't just have a power generation. Now we're going to get that. have a water problem too. So and in California as somebody who lived in California for over 30 years, there's always, I mean, right. Freshwater lakes, yeah, oceans running down the whole left side of your state, but no water available. And we've always had a water issue. In fact, had to buy it from the Rockies and have it sent in on a hundred year lease. And so there's always been big problems with the water system in California and and this would exacerbate it. I mean, the last thing in the world we need is

Starting point is 00:55:21 something like AI power generation systems using water in the same way that fracking is using water, which is just use it as a lubricant and then it gets completely contaminated and poisonous and then you can't use it ever again after that. So we have to think these things through. But of course, I believe they've thought them through and that maybe the scarcity component to this is a, is a feature, not a bug. That's where my mind goes with as well, at least what we've seen of them in the past. But for, important to kind of explain that for those that may not know or haven't seen my coverage on it, the basic point, as you were highlighting, is that it's both for like generation,

Starting point is 00:56:04 like using the water to power, which is the smaller part of it. But I guess the largest part is the like kind of the cooling aspect. And what's weird about it, and this is also important to hear, it has to be fresh water, which is like the entire problem with that, you know, and that they use this to cool this down and it evaporate. Like they uses a lot of water. And so it is a really crazy kind of development in all of this. And I think, I mean, it's clear that this is whether or not it's by design, they don't

Starting point is 00:56:31 care. I think that's always the case is it's not about what we want or they'll deal with our, like, look at my point was like, look at Flint, for example. Maybe this has been going on a lot longer than we think. And we've been watching these moves take place. And they're like, we don't care if you get hurt by it. Yeah, we'll deal with the stuff that fall out. But there's a much bigger play happening here, you know.

Starting point is 00:56:48 It really does concern me where this goes. And here is, again, the other article from, from, let me make sure it was what place it was. Oh, it's Newton County, Georgia. So it's happening all over the country. And this is, I was going to play in a video about this, actually. Their water taps are running dry. There's all this contamination.

Starting point is 00:57:08 This is happening pretty much around the country right now. Here's an interesting discussion from Texas. And I plan on doing a lot more deep dive on this, but I was going through this today. So in Texas, there's two things to think about, actually. We saw the AI point, right? And technically still, that could come back into play, despite them already removing it from the bill. Arguably, it can still find its way back in. I don't think it has officially happened yet.

Starting point is 00:57:29 But the idea is they remove the 10-year moratorium, right? Is it really just jumps back to states. It's kind of the ultimate point, which is what I would have wanted. States rights, it matters. But so that ultimately means then in Texas, for example, if we're talking about Elon Musk in Texas, then they now have the ability to try to regulate that. And I imagine he's much more immersed in this. So the AI side of it is one thing, just whether or not they're going to regulate that.

Starting point is 00:57:51 But I do think these overlap. It's in the same conversation. But in the water side of it, I found some interesting water legislation. This is from 2025. It's from May. Here's what it says. Relating to creating the Central Texas Water Alliance, which I'll be looking more into, providing authority to issue bonds, granting the power of eminent domain, providing authority to impose

Starting point is 00:58:12 fees. Yeah, that doesn't sound like it's related at all, right? I mean, that's just like exactly what I'd worry about. Go ahead. Yeah, that's a big problem, the eminent domain. See, it's one thing if you own your land, you may own your land, depending on where you live. And there's somebody, I spent 25 years in real estate, but you can own your land and there could be water under your land. But if you don't, also own the water rights, then you don't own it. And so that can be a situation where it's not just that Bill Gates is buying up farmland. He's also buying aquifers. He's buying the underground water, places, you know, pieces of land that have not just water, but water rights to it. And you do it legally in that, you know, if you do it through the system that they created, where you have to

Starting point is 00:59:01 have rights to the water in your ground, which sounds crazy to anybody who is. a free sovereign person that the state needs to get involved or finding you for collecting rainwater on your property like they do in Oregon. I was going to write that down in the chamber. You're done like San Francisco is the same thing. How you could be charged for a crime for collecting rainwater. Israel says Gaza can't do it because they own the water. There's a lot of overlaps to this.

Starting point is 00:59:25 Yeah. So we just take all of our, all of our negative thoughts that we have about how they do this stuff and then just say, you know that precious, clean, life-giving water, they'll do it to that as well. Because that's the next step in this. Yeah, they want to control the oil, control the oil, you control the transportation, you know, control the food, you control the people like Kissinger says, control the water and you control life and death. And that is unfortunately the direction that that they want to to take us. And by the way,

Starting point is 00:59:59 in a world in which the robots are running things and AI is made. Managing all of these systems, human beings aren't going to be as necessary as they currently are. And therefore, what do they need all this water for, Ryan? That's just useless drinkers. Yeah, right. And it makes you very expendable, much more than you are now. Imagine that, right? I mean, that's, if they don't care about you now, imagine they no longer need your labor.

Starting point is 01:00:26 Right. I mean, this is, I mean, this stuff like this sounds so crazy to some people. It's all about history, guys. Look, right? This is not new. Like the power structures, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the dying empires. You know, there's all sorts of things like it, we have been here before in history. It's important to understand how these things work and it's not new, you know. And here,

Starting point is 01:00:44 here's another alarming part that overlaps what you're saying before is AI, rather the direction of AI for this country, has now completely immersed itself with Israel. Israel signed an agreement with the U.S. to cooperate in all things artificial intelligence. And so as they were saying, don't forget, they just signed a policy to consolidate all of the data on all Americans and now Israel will have access to that. No problem there, you know. I just, There's so many moving parts to where this goes, the Pentagon's now going to claim they're saying you're going to start using XAI, which is just that DARPA program that became Elon's toy that now became a social engineering tool, which is involved with the AI direction, which now Israel is immersed with. I mean, Israel is completely immersed in Twitter. And now XAI is Twitter. And now the Department of Defense is going to be, you just, these things are not made up, guys. And we've, everyone watching the show knows. We've talked about all these. We have the receipts. This is an overtaking of our country, not to so jarringly switch topics, but, my God, I just so alarmed with how clear all this is. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:01:39 And the X app, the everything app on your phone, that's social media and eventually will be your money, just know whose group is partnered with Israel on all of this stuff. I mean, if you think that that, if you think, oh, I don't want Wii chat. It'll be like Chinese dystopia. I want the American version of it. Well, the American version of it comes with Israeli fingerprints all over it as well. So whatever you think you're getting away from with the Chinese group, you're walking right into if it's American, it might as well just have an Israeli flag wrapped around it. And so all of your data and say, I mean, shoot, pick your poison.

Starting point is 01:02:15 Who do you want to know the intimate details of your life? The Chinese or the Israelis? Because somebody's going to know it because that's the way this is set up to move forward. I personally am not interested in either one of those groups being involved in this. but my opinion really apparently doesn't matter any longer. The opinion of the American people doesn't matter. If it did, Donald Trump would have been having meetings saying, we've got a real PR nightmare on our hand with this Epstein stuff.

Starting point is 01:02:44 You know, we've got to figure out the right thing to say. They come right out and say, it's all fake. It doesn't exist. That's not the right thing to say. That wasn't workshopped through, you know, Hill and Knowlton to come out and tell you, this is exactly the best thing to say. So we're in a, I'll tell you what, Ryan, I'm, what makes me the most nervous about this is that it seems that that there used to be, you know, administrations worried about the perception management component of this. Like, how is the general public going to feel if we do X, Y, and Z? We're going to do it anyway, but how are they going to feel and how can we manipulate this? And with the Trump administration, it's like they just don't even care. It's like they don't care about the optics of it. They're just,

Starting point is 01:03:27 We're going to do it anyway. It's going to be bad. From a PR standpoint, Mr. President, you're going to have to deal with this. They don't care. It's like, or either that, either they don't care or they're not sophisticated enough to think a couple steps ahead and realize what this is going to have, you know, the ramifications, like you said, of Galane Maxwell's case now looks at, you know, her lawyers are going, oh, no clients, you say, hmm, let's get the judge back in chambers.

Starting point is 01:03:52 Let's let's have a conversation because apparently we've got somebody who's been locked up for a crime that didn't happen. So this is, I mean, I don't know if it's better to be ruled by sophisticated psychopaths or this bumbling group of morons inside the Trump administration that can't get the messaging right. It's all, it's all bad either way, I suppose. But, hey, but at least it's not Kamala. Right. You know, or you could add, or they're not in control. I mean, you know, I mean, it's hard not to. True. I was saying earlier is that, you know, there are people that can't get past that point that, you know, I don't understand why they're doing this. This is hurting their career. And they just can't move on, which is like basically a hang up to where there must be an

Starting point is 01:04:35 excuse. I'm not going to look further until that that makes them think maybe Democrats are tricking me. You know, it's like they can't get past. Maybe it's just that they're not the ones making these decisions. Maybe it's that they're not acting for your interests. I don't, that's my opinion, but you can't prove that, but consider those possibilities because I don't think there's anything that makes more sense there. Not that I know for sure, but if you look at what's happening and like we keep saying, you know, why? would he come out and do that? Why would he, knowing that his base, this was built on the idea that this was going to happen and doesn't come out and just go, oh, well, here's why it's not going to happen. Comes out and goes, it's fake. And anyone says otherwise you're dumb. Why would we talk about Epstein? You know, it's like, that's a, like a come to Jesus moment. People are like, okay, this is terrifying. You know, somebody else is controlling this or he's not our person. And so I still go back to that's because there's other things that are truly dictating this policy. And it's not just Trump or this administration. It's been going on a long time. I think it justifies or, you know, kind of intertwines with the outcome, the technocratic, you know, the build back better, all the things

Starting point is 01:05:32 that are happening while they're pointing back at 2020. You know, like, I think that's where it kind of comes together right now. And so, and we talked about this a couple months ago, the invisible influence, the black hole that is exerting its, its forces on people and making them behave in an unusual manner. And you just go, well, I mean, an explanation would be that an external force that is in the shadows is doing is making this person dance because they, they sure are dancing and they never danced before. And now they're enthusiastically dancing like their life depends on it. So I wonder why that is.

Starting point is 01:06:07 The answer is, well, because somebody has, has, the answer is that there's somebody above them. That's it. Who it is and what there's just, there's, if you think that you've reached the final boss, you haven't, this is a, there, there are layers above these people, obviously, you know that. But, but for people that are scratching their heads going, why is he doing it? Why is he operating against his own self-interest? Because he's controlled.

Starting point is 01:06:31 And this is, this is the part in the, in the movie where he gets controlled and has to do things that are incompatible with reality, completely goes against his, his, when he was running for president, the sales pitch he was giving how he's going to, you know, open the Epstein files. And simultaneously, boy, it's neutered a whole bunch of, uh, mainstream alternative media people, which is great. They've been stained by this, which they should be. And I think that in the aftermath of the Epstein debacle, he'll do what he always does too, right? He'll fire Pam Bondi or Cash Patel or Bonjino or all three of them and say they were the problem. I was trying to give it to you, but these guys were the bad guys.

Starting point is 01:07:19 Yeah. So expect more frustration, I would assume. Yeah, I agree. And it's worth pointing out. again, like, you know, cases was missed when we talked about it briefly a moment ago, right? So if we're being told, so Trump up until now, right before 2024, I'm going to release the files, right? He had said this. That's why it became a thing. So think about the timing. If Trump was saying that 24, so he was the president before that. So that means that he knew what was there to some degree and was telling you I'm going to release them. So now to jump to

Starting point is 01:07:49 it's fake, like there's just not somebody stupid enough to fall for that. You're either onto the team and you're willing to lie about it or you're, you know, think about the, that just doesn't work together. If he, if he was telling he was going to release the thing and now says it's fake, then that means he lied to 2024 maybe or he lied before. He's lying at some point. You know, it's like that's the really hard thing for most people to get past. Let me play this clip about the AI connection to what we were just going through, which I do think is a really alarming kind of glimpse into this, because even the Epstein thing, by the way, like, and then let's actually touch on some of the things that you thought added to the technological part

Starting point is 01:08:20 with Epstein. But the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, future, rather the immediate reality that they're building around us, you know, that, that is, it's not the only story. Clearly, there's a lot of things. The genocide and Gaza's happening. And we have to keep talking about it. But I just don't want people to miss that this is, I think what this, that's their like their long bet. You know, this is where this is going. And so if we're getting pulled into these old stories, which are probably still relevant too, you can decide for yourself. But make sure you're not ignoring this larger story where it goes, because this is where I think we're driving. I think we all know that.

Starting point is 01:08:51 In the long term, the plan is to pretty much lock up humanity in smart cities, which is kind of a super set of a 15-minute city. They've sold all the state and local governments and countries that smart cities are about sustainability and the good of the city. But in reality, the language from the UN and WEF and their white papers is all inverted. So, air monitoring is really about limiting mobility and no car ownership. Surveillance control via LED grid is why the smart lighting is death. Water management is about water rationing, noise pollution is about speed surveillance,

Starting point is 01:09:37 traffic monitoring is about limiting mobility, and then, of course, energy conservation is all about rationing heat, electricity and gasoline. Another concept one should be familiar with is called geo fencing and think of it as an invisible fence around you where you cannot go beyond a certain point and that will be related to your face recognition, digital identity and access control. Your smart contracts, software can turn off your digital currency

Starting point is 01:10:05 beyond a certain point from your house. Our world has been turned into a digital panopticon. That means you can be monitored, analyzed, managed and monetized. Man, oh man. And I know some people still think this is just an, you know, an impossibility. It's, I think this is the point that we're trying to make today in amongst others is this is happening regardless of which color you vote for. Like this is rolling out either way rapidly as that's the distractionary point.

Starting point is 01:10:35 And I'll include this article from Derek that I think overlaps with the exact point. And let's not forget that I think it was space force and space X just ended into a deal with this low Earth orbit new mesh thing they're doing. Israel just uses SpaceX rocket to launch their own, which I think is all part of the same. They're lower orbit dynamic. This is more spying, more surveillance, more control. And the same thing I just highlighted. Also geo-fencing. Fantastic.

Starting point is 01:10:58 And here is what Derek was talking about. Way ahead of this story, by the way, 2024, the NRO, which is the NRO is involved with that same thing. It is the same thing. I just want to show you this. Again, thinking about what they just showed you and how they need the satellite. Well, this again is SpaceX and the Starlink, rather the satellites. Just from 2019, just do it really rapidly, all the way to basically right now, or 2024. I mean, that terrifies me, just in and of itself.

Starting point is 01:11:24 Like, it makes me suffocate it. It feels suffocated with, you know, the reality there's that many, you know, that's the world that's being built around us. That's what I'm trying to highlight. So go ahead and comment on that if you like, and then let's talk about some of those overlaps with Epstein and the deeper technocratic stuff. Well, the digital prison is one of these topics that will get you, heavily banned.

Starting point is 01:11:47 I had a lot of free one on. We started talking about the space fence on one of my episodes. This was a couple years ago and I put it up on YouTube because I had a YouTube channel back then four hours. It only took them four hours

Starting point is 01:11:58 before the video was, I got a strike. It was thrown off. I mean, it was kicked off. And it's like, boy, space, I mean, of all the things we could be talking about, I get it, that YouTube is sensitive.

Starting point is 01:12:09 I always find it interesting to figure out where their pressure points are. And the space space. fence was one that, and I talked to someone else, I said, I had a lot of Freeland on. We were talking about this. And I said, oh, I could have told you. Don't have her on. They'll get you immediately. I'm like, wow, I'll talk to her. I want to talk to her again. I'm just curious as to why they, so if you're talking about those topics, it can be inconvenient for them. And I, you know, and it's not just, oh boy, well, it's the science and the blending of science and technology. We've, we've

Starting point is 01:12:44 always had this evolution of right as humans. We're trying to get better and better and hoping that the science and the technology gets better. And if it's in the hands of the common people, fine, great. But my fear is this evolution of technology and whose hands it's in, who's financing it, who ultimately controls it. And this takes you into, you know, I think we learned during COVID, it's just as easy to buy a scientist as it as it is a politician, right? What we saw with Fauci or anybody connected to the FDA or CDC, you can, you can, so scientists are for sale. And Jeffrey Epstein bought one, a guy named Martin Nowak, a doctorate in biochemistry and mathematics from the University of Vienna. He's on record saying,

Starting point is 01:13:35 Epstein has changed my life. Because of him, I feel I can do anything. And Epstein floated this guy, $30 million at Harvard, then visited him 40 times. And what was he working on? Well, he wrote a book on natural selection of cooperation and a desire for working on evolutionary game theory, population dynamics and things like that. He, he became, in 2003, he became a professor of mathematics and biology at Harvard and then became the director of this, what's known as the program for evolutionary dynamics. And this was funded by Epstein. And so you go, yeah, I get it.

Starting point is 01:14:20 He runs blackmail entrapment operations to catch politicians. What is he doing with evolutionary game theory? Yeah. And I, you know, why is he so focused on, on whether or not, you know, exploring the equations of life in Martin Noak's book in 2006, he writes about evolution with regard to infinite populations and how AIDS and infectious viruses can play a role and impact populations. Oh, really? You don't say. So you're interested in how viruses play roles in population structure and how when you insert variables, what that does

Starting point is 01:14:59 to the overall population. And Jeffrey Epstein is financing? It'd be one thing if like some altruistic scientific group was like, I'm interested in learning. more about this. It might be something fascinating to get to the bottom of and really see what happens here. We do this and people do that. But when it's Jeffrey Epstein financing this, you have to go, what is this really about? This is about eugenics. This is about depopulation. This is about a much heavier thing. So that's why I'm saying, like, if the sexual blackmail entrapment brought you to the party, brace yourself because it gets so much weirder than this, when it comes to this guy and and don't even get me started on the you know on on all the

Starting point is 01:15:44 little sophia robot that he was building with ben gertzel i mean this is this is the dystopian hellscape right well i mean and it's the thing that comes to my mind is whether or not you know so epstein was part of something larger like it's very clear and not just the intelligence aspect you know there's something a bigger and i again also just one part of that network right not you know that's the important thing to think about but the money aspect of it was probably just, I mean, you could think of it like he is a vessel to do all of these things, right? So you wonder whether there was money passing through him, which is easy to do in the financial world, but the way did they operate that just ended up in the hands of people that needed

Starting point is 01:16:21 it. He was just the middleman in a way. You know, however you look at it, the point is that they're all involved in these. If you look at the body of work and the direction it's going in, you know, they want to control life. I mean, that's what it really comes down to. And I always point out Charles Lieber, which I've never, I mean, there are connections that you could make, but it's, you know, the point is it's more important to highlight, you know, what Epstein was doing and, you know, the connections they're in, but Charles Lieber was at Harvard. And so I think it's important to think about the idea of the virus-sized robot dynamic. He was working on. He was the lead in nanotechnology and right before the COVID dynamic. You know, there's all these

Starting point is 01:16:55 different moving parts. And maybe they don't even overlap or aware of that. But the point is that these are all pieces to where I think this control structure is going. You know, and the eugenics part of it is terrifying to me because clearly they have an opinion who is, you know, it's a, supremacist perspective. That's what eugenics is. And so these people are guiding a lot of our policy. And I'm talking about in particular, like the U.S. government, which the overlap before was where even the Nazis brought that up to. Israel is very much in the same mindset. So it just concerns me where this goes and how they see that as they're making situations that make our resources by that, you know. Yeah. And if we want to make just a direct connection between these guys, we've got

Starting point is 01:17:31 Epstein's partner, Ben Gertzel, who was the head of, he's from Open Cog Foundation. He was the guy they were building the little Sophia robot with. This is a robot that is not the Sophia robot that you saw in Saudi Arabia that's six foot tall robot. This is a small 18 inch plush doll that's loaded with cameras in the eyes and microphones and geotagged and all that stuff. And it's reporting all this information back that it's for emotional support with little girls, right, from ages eight and up. Jeffrey Epstein financing Ben Gertzl to do this. Ben Gertzell runs, he's the He's the director of research for the machine intelligence research institute. And you go, oh, okay, he's the director of research.

Starting point is 01:18:17 Well, who's on the advisory board of that? Peter Thiel. Of course. Peter Thiel. So the guy that Epstein is financing to make Little Sophia robot dolls for children is the head of technology for a foundation whose board member is Peter Thiel. So these guys are all connected in one way or way. another. I mean, you don't have to go to six degrees of separation with these guys. It's one degree or

Starting point is 01:18:42 maybe two at most. But even teal is linked up into all of this. So what that guy was talking about a digital panopticon, he's correct. This is what's happening and being, you know, the prison is being built around us while the vast majority of people enthusiastically cheerleaded, I suppose. Yeah. And the point right again is that. That's why the effort by the main coverage is making Epstein kind of the end all deal, right? He was the one doing it. He's in control. He's responsible, which is not the case.

Starting point is 01:19:17 I mean, whether he clearly had a lot of influence in power. But that's the same point is that so who is driving this, right? Where is this coming to? That's the teal aspect. That's the higher level that we don't. That is what the actual deep state is, in my opinion, the shadow government, the, the unelected power structure that's never moving, never elected, never leaving, you know, that they have influence over all of this.

Starting point is 01:19:35 And I think we've long since been, through that rule, you know. And so today, they're just trying to kind of build out this new variation to get you looking in a different direction as they kind of cement in that control going forward is what we've been talking about, you know? So it is, it is, I mean, that really just comes up, you know, there's a lot of other topics we could get into, but it really does come down to all driving in this direction for a lot of different parts. And I do think, though, to end a slightly positive note, there's a lot of people out there, even involved in other parts of the world, not to say that any government we should be listening to a trusting, but that there

Starting point is 01:20:05 are parts in the world that I still think want control over their people like any government does, but it doesn't want that same, doesn't want that outcome. Sort of like we saw with the split during like the, you know, that there are people even in our government that sort of, I don't think wanted the kind of world that was being built, but they still wanted control over our lives. And so you get those kind of deviations. But I'm saying like from there are people that seem to want to stand up and stop this. And I think we need to start leaning into that, start calling this stuff out and very much take advantage of the moment right now where people are finally started to ask these questions. You know, shows like this will only help. So thanks for being here,

Starting point is 01:20:37 brother. Yeah. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. It kind of reminds me of the Solstinitson quote about, like, you know, you should have been shooting these guys when they were coming to get you a long time ago. You know, he's talking about the people creeping down into your, into the basements. You should have been beating them over the heads. You know, there should have been eight of you down there with clubs, beating those guys. Because if you don't, while they're building this digital prison system, they will eventually get it finished or at least finished to the point where where enough people are under under the thumb and it'll be a different world. So I think it's important for us to dig into these topics and recognize them,

Starting point is 01:21:15 not necessarily obsessed with them to the point where we ruin our own lives, right? Like understand the magnitude of it, but don't become overwhelmed by it. And talk to people who we can reach. that not everybody is reachable, but the people who you think you can get, ask them some questions. Hey, what do you make of this stuff? What do you make of this digital prison that's being built?

Starting point is 01:21:39 What do you make of this, this, or this? And hand a story over to him. Go grab a story off activist post and say, hey, there you go. I read this today. What do you make of this? And get your friends to start thinking. Yes.

Starting point is 01:21:52 Because we're talking about it because we're interested in it. So many people out there aren't talking about it. they might be interested in it, but they don't know to be interested in it because they don't even know what's happening because it's not the sort of thing that gets, you know, advertised by the, you know, by the mainstream media. Hey, look at what we're doing. We're building a control grid to keep you guys under our thumb forever. And it's almost done. Well, that, that conversation isn't going to happen until it's too late. But so it's up to us. We do have a responsibility. We play a role in this to have the conversations and talk about it and work it out and

Starting point is 01:22:28 move ourselves out of the way of this to the extent that we can. And I always appreciate you having me on to go as deep as we can go. Absolutely. And look forward to one coming up next month, guys. And I'll end with the point that you kind of on the point that came to my mind about what you were saying about kind of doing, you know, leaning in too much or becoming obsessive. You know, it's something that I struggle with with all that's going on and how, you know, this is what I care about is balance in all things. You know, I haven't written on my a wall. It's like, you know, you got to take time to get the hell outside and to put your feet on the ground and to find something outside of just obsessing over, which again, there's important

Starting point is 01:23:06 moments to, maybe obsess is the wrong word, but, you know, to just take all your time and put it into this. And again, I struggle with this. Like I am forcing myself to try to break away, but balance in all things. It's the, it's one of the most important things in life, in my opinion. So yes, it's important, but make sure that you're not losing yourself to it. Because that's I talk about people that, you know, who can, but it's almost like a good fault. You know, you care too much, but that I've worked with people over the years that, you know, came out hot. You know, they wanted to change the world and, you know, six months later, they just, I can't do this anymore.

Starting point is 01:23:37 And, you know, I get it. It's hard. But that's the idea. So balance in all things, guys, take that with you today and get outside. So thank you, Charlie. And I'll be seeing you next week or next month, brother. Thanks for having me. Everybody out there, question everything.

Starting point is 01:23:50 Come to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant.

The Last American Vagabond - Charlie Robinson Interview - What The Hell Is Happening? (7/15/25)

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