The Last American Vagabond - Charlie Robinson Interview - What The Hell Is Happening? (8/22/25)

Starting point is 00:00:01 Welcome to the Last American Vagabond. Joining me again for another, I guess, what the hell is happening episode we've been doing lately between Charlie Robinson and myself to discuss what the hell is happening, all the madness that's going on. It's been kind of a recurring discussion of ours to just kind of go over the kind of rapid news cycle

Starting point is 00:00:41 and the weird evolution of these stories lately how things seem to be evolving in our opinions around these, sometimes differing, sometimes the same opinions around these different stories. How are you, Charlie? always going to talk you, brother. R-I-P Cracker Barrel.

Starting point is 00:00:55 Right into it. Oh, my God, the important story of Crackle. You know, it's so funny, though, what was it, Crackle Barrel? And then the other one was the Lando Lakes. There's plenty of examples, right, of the shift. It's interesting how that's become this, you know, or even stories like that become, you know,

Starting point is 00:01:11 I honestly don't know what the, is there more around it, were they pressured? I don't know, maybe you can tell me, but it's just like the idea of these evolving kind of shifts. It's like woke left kind of a thing still is what it's attached too, right? Like we're insulted by the Indian lady or the, you know, whatever it is. Have you seen it? What's your take on it? Like, is there more of that? Well, yeah, I have a sort of a comical skin in the game in the sense that the running joke that we all had with my mom was that

Starting point is 00:01:38 she loved Cracker Barrel. And whenever we saw one, we'd be like, oh my God, there's a, there's a should we pull over? Are we good? You know, one of those situations. And so when it's in the news, of course I have to kind of dig in a little bit. And what you find is the usual suspect. They hired some woke left CEO who decided to reimagine the brand without consulting with their demographics and getting everything wrong from botching the logo to the way they've redesigned the interior. It's, it's part of a kind of a much bigger, it's the personification of a much bigger problem, which is that the elitist left believe that the people in flyover states are just a bunch of low-a-kewed country bumpkins that need to be told what they're supposed to like.

Starting point is 00:02:30 And so they come in and go, yeah, yeah, you like this place with the chotchkes all over it and the crap on the walls. But we're going to do away with that because a decision's been made that we're cleaning this up. We're going to go to a modern logo that some 14-year-old kid with a word document could have created. And we're going to get rid of all the stuff that you love. of about this place that you've been coming to on the side of freeways for the last, I don't know, 50 years. We're going to get rid of all of that and reimagine it.

Starting point is 00:03:00 And then you'll just love it. So it's being forced on people. You know, is it a big deal? No, it's not in the grand scheme of things. It's not a big deal. But it's just one of those things that you see that didn't need to be changed. But is being changed because it kind of reminds people of like the old timey Americana stuff. And we can't have that.

Starting point is 00:03:28 And it feels like if I were to be like put on my tinfoil hat a little bit. I mean, it feels kind of like an agenda to get rid of a lot of Americana type stuff and detach us from any sort of pride or any sort of remembrance about the way it used to be. I mean, it's one thing for to wait for the boomers to die off. the meantime, they're really trying to kill the culture surrounding that as a way of freeing you from the shackles of America and corporatism, of course. But so clearly there's an agenda here. And we both agree. I mean, I agree with you entirely on the, you know, and largely at least these examples coming

Starting point is 00:04:07 from the left very clearly, right? And I want to ask you about the, even the logo about Crackle Barracks. I think there's a, I'm just, I'm not sure what the image was. We'll come back to that. But the, you know, there's clearly an agenda. That's undeniable. But do you really, do you. genuinely think that not the average people, you know, whether the people online or even just

Starting point is 00:04:24 people in Congress who may think that it's about some, you know, battle against right versus left, but from the top, do you really think that that's what it's about, about just simply, you know, some, you know, surface level kind of like ideological point, or do you think there's more to that behind it? Let's leave it there. I think that the CEO is, is an ideological zealot. I think she's I think that there's you know did they all have a big meeting probably not but does it come from the top yeah and they want to get rid of this stuff and reimagine listen the cracker barrel logo is an old white guy in like overalls in a rocking chair leaning up against a barrel right like if you were used that with a one-legged transgendered Eskimo then I guess we ticked the boxes

Starting point is 00:05:13 but nobody's going to your restaurant after that. Yeah, but see, this is my point, though. Like, I worked at an ad agency. I understand, at a big one too. And I understand, like, how much time and effort goes into thinking about it. Like, they come at this from every angle. The fact that the Jaguar ad came out made me think, this is an agenda. Because no universe would people look at that and go, oh, this is exactly what we need to do to sell cars.

Starting point is 00:05:41 Right, right. It would be about more than that. Exactly. And there's clearly more to it, which I think we all can see. But it's like the, like, so here's my point. So if there's clearly something more to it, saying that it's just about or, you know, seeing it as just about the woke left point makes it feel like, I mean, how does that, I mean, look, we both agree. There are people that are completely absorbed in this. They believe, you know, that everything matters about it. You know, woke pronouns or the world matters more than anything. But I don't believe that's what the real agenda is about, like to the point about like, so it's not like they went to some character. of a whatever you said of one-legged trans, whatever you said, something like that, which is funny because it makes the point. But instead, they went very blank, right? It's like a symbol. So it's like, okay, so is it, it's not the other, you know, it's not the extreme opposite. It's sort of like somewhere in the middle, which I still disagree with. But at the other side of it, you've got the Landau-Lakes, like the Indian, you know, Native American woman. They removed. It's like, same kind of thing.

Starting point is 00:06:36 It's like, it's not going, like, it's weird. So one side of it's removing like the black caricature and this one, it's removing the white caricature. So you see what I'm saying. It's like it doesn't seem like it fits in with the idea that it's left versus right or their ideology versus the other. It's like kind of what you were hitting at more about an all encompassing, you know, I don't even know how you'd frame it. Like you said, like removing American ideals or like classic idea. I don't know. But you get what I'm going at. I think there's something bigger than that.

Starting point is 00:07:03 Oh, it could have been much worse. They could have said, we're taking the cracker out of Cracker bear. Yeah, right. With all you honkies. But it's almost like that should have been exactly the point. If it was really about it's like, no, we like. We like the derogatory word in there. It could just be a branding oversight.

Starting point is 00:07:21 It could be a woke CEO who's out of touch with their demographics. How that's possible? I don't know. I mean, I'm not, I didn't go to Harvard Business School, and I know you need to figure out what your demographics are before you start a radical overhaul. And you drop the ball. But when it happens over and over again,

Starting point is 00:07:41 Bud Light, Jaguar, Target, Gillette, Gillette, over, you just keep going, okay, so I understand that there's a Black Rock influence, an ESG component to this, and maybe they're trying to tick some diversity boxes. And that's a very devious way of corporate manipulation, changing culture through corporate pressure from your board of directors who's run by BlackRock. So here's a point like this is just this is exactly what I'm getting at. So as opposed to it being a diversity box, that's the narrative. BlackRock is doing this as a way to control your speech or use these mechanisms as a way to censor and surveil. And like, you know, that's kind of what I feel like the real point is. But yeah, from left and right, yes, clearly there are the surface level or even the Congress level people that like have absorbed that bought into this. But the real agenda, I don't think they really care about checking diversity boxes or may it,

Starting point is 00:08:40 having to use woke pronouns or stopping anti-Semitism, whatever we're talking about, whatever side. I think it's really at its core about much more than that. You know what I mean? And so do you think at the highest level that's what it is or do you believe that it really is just that they're obsessed with ideological differences, you know? Well, I think all of this at its core is about control. Yeah, right.

Starting point is 00:09:02 Controls of speech, control of thoughts, control of narratives, control of ideas, you know, allowing this is this is the new version of reality where everybody might be trans i don't want to feel that way but if you go in and every store is reinforcing this it it feels it's artificial it didn't exist before it doesn't need to exist now and yet here it is and you go why is this happening this is and also especially when you take a look at it from like a a business standpoint because so much of you know they make they spend tons of money making calculations on how do we increase our stock price by a little bit. And then you, and then you see some curveball that in no possible way, could you ever think this is going to do anything but have a detrimental impact on

Starting point is 00:09:51 your stock price? As an example, target, putting tuck pants, you know, and embracing the whole pride thing. How many tough pants do you think you're going to sell? A hundred nationwide. How many people do you think you're going to piss off? A hundred thousand, that's on the low end. You know what I mean? It's a, it's a poor calculation. And you start looking at things and you go, guy, you know, like, you go and get your MBA and they teach you how to run a business. And I just, I promise you, none of this is happening. And that's, that's the bigger point, right? So at the end of the day, we have, we have people like, I think, I don't remember as you and I, I talked about this to somebody that you, so you could explain away political leanings, you know, ideological obsession.

Starting point is 00:10:34 but when it comes to like the board, people that shareholders that, you know, in many cases, don't even care about the product. That's about I want my bottom line. I want my return. And so how you can argue that they were sold on that or that these people agreed with something that is like objectively counter to their business model,

Starting point is 00:10:50 like literally under my, you know, like Gillette is the point that I always make more than the rest of them. Just it's because it's such a male, you know, demographic. And they went with like the beat like, it was like bad masculinity or something. Toxic masculinity. Yeah. It was like,

Starting point is 00:11:04 It's just there's no way that they were like, that's a good business model. So what's the answer? Well, we don't know for sure, but we know things like DEI or the background where it said, okay, look, this is not even about what we're changing the entire model. You don't even need to sell product anymore. We just need you to sell ideas, control, and we will then supplement you. We or rather, you know, what's the way I'm looking for? Not subsidize.

Starting point is 00:11:25 Subsidize you, you know. And so that's where I think, and that doesn't even have to be about DEI or whatever it is. It's just about that control mechanism. It's the same way I saw with like USCIS. ID where, you know, at the end of the day, clearly it's, we've seen the narratives and the justification shift under administration. But, you know, I think it was it, they were, they got their foot the door using certain woke ideas or funding, you know, AIDS treatment. By the way,

Starting point is 00:11:48 both of which are still happening on the Trump administration, people just don't want to point to it. You know, so it's all about really the, the agenda, you know? And so it's like that, that bigger picture, like, what could that possibly be leading towards, you know, in your mind? Continuity of ideas is what I'm thinking of. here, you know, just to keep this ideology going. And I think you're right on the DEI front. It's like, how could you get these corporations to act against their own self-interest when they're so driven by dollars and cents and profit margins and things like this, that's how they're trained. And it has to be an external source. It has to be, we'll make it up on the back end. Or you'll be in

Starting point is 00:12:26 the club. You know, you'll be in the World Economic Forum Club, Circle of Excellence or whatever it is. You'll be in the group. You'll be the company store. Right. So take a short-term hit now in order to get on our good side, we Black Rock slash world economic forum, inseparable at this point now with Larry Fink's promotion. Yep.

Starting point is 00:12:50 And you do, you slit your own, you slit your wrists a little bit here, right? Maybe not your throat, but your wrists. And we'll patch you up on the other end, but you'll be in the club and we'll lock everybody else out. And you'll have no competition. Right. And so, but we need you, we need you to show us that you're on board with this. And this is, as you said, it's not, it's not about selling razors.

Starting point is 00:13:16 It's about selling an ideology. It's about selling the concept that, well, maybe men are, yeah, they like to shave, but maybe they're also toxic too. And you go, God, why would you ever do that to your, to your audience? This is, your customer base is just completely made up of men and are insulted and just immediate. There's, you just shake your head and you go, this will be taught in business school for eons, right? Right.

Starting point is 00:13:44 Right. Do not do this, this, or this, right? And yet, and yet you think that people would learn from the Bud Light treatment and yet here we are. Yeah. Again, which is even more so speaks to that it's more than about the current ideological point they're using, you know, which still is involved. But so like same kind of point. So we, it's clear that this is, it's just absurd. You know, the idea that these things are, that from a business or an individual,

Starting point is 00:14:09 whatever it is, that this is even driving people's actions. And I think we can all acknowledge that the woke left side of it is just the most transparent part. You know, it's just very, very obvious. But people are beginning to recognize, I think have for a long time, but more so today than usual, the same problem from the right side of it. So at least from your perspective, I can give examples, but do you see that kind of thing in the reverse way coming from the right.

Starting point is 00:14:32 Like, do you have any examples you can think of? Yeah, I think that the left is more cartoonish in their, in their belief system. But the right shows classic signs of this as well. Like, they make excuses for their guy. They, they, they look the other way. They, they fall into traps all the time. I mean, one of the, one of the prime examples, you don't see. this on the left at all, but you certainly see it on the right is the concept of Christian Zionism.

Starting point is 00:15:05 If ever there was just like a group of people that you go, oh, wait, hang on a second. All of you are under some form of mind control. You need to snap out of it. Like, you know, that stuff you accuse the left of being? This is your, this is a version of it. Like, you're in some form of group think here. You need to break away. And you can't, you can't see that your leaders are cartoon character preachers that are with megachurches and the whole thing feels very righteous gemstones to me and you know and and and and yet you you can't get their attention you feel like they're under a spell the same way you want to shake the left and go what are you doing why are you doing all these things that are incompatible with reality you know like are you

Starting point is 00:15:49 ideal like are you subverted in some way are you captured mentally is this the what you're I've talked about. I mean, have you been broken to a point where you can't be fixed? Some of all of it. Yeah, but the right has their own flavor of it. And it's in it, it has to, it's hero worship,

Starting point is 00:16:07 you know, in embarrassing fashion. It's authoritarian worship. Yeah, get John Bolton, go kick his door in at six in the morning. Listen, I,

Starting point is 00:16:17 I despise John Bolton. But the idea of the state using this, here we go, it's like you've got to be ideologically consistent. here. If you're against it when it's done to Roger Stone, not because you love Roger Stone, but you think he's gross too, but just because it's a, it shouldn't be happening. Yeah. You don't get to then enthusiastically cheerlead when it happens to John Bolton just because he's the war walrus and you, and you think that he deserves it. Yeah, I think he deserves something like

Starting point is 00:16:45 that too, but I don't want the state to be the ones doing it. I want it to be his next door neighbors. Yeah. Well, and I would argue more so like, maybe less ideological as just principle. You know what I mean? Like, logical is like, you know, the side versus side. But I agree. It's like if you, if you care about the idea of it, you shouldn't matter who it's being done to. It should be wrong and principle, you know, and it's like, that's what's so frustrating.

Starting point is 00:17:07 But, you know, even bigger than that too, though, you know, the idea, it's the same kind of model, you know, whether it's about anti-Semitism or even just the overlap which we can get into around, you know, like you said, the good would just broad church authoritarianism, but like worship, it's weird. Like, it's overlap, whether it's D.C.,

Starting point is 00:17:24 the constitutional discussions, you know, And so it's like they have these, you know, mechanisms through which they can, they see that it's easier to make the things they want to move. And I think it happens on both sides of the paradigm for a joint goal, ultimately, you know. And so let's, actually one more thing before we, I wanted to talk about some partisan stuff that I had just thought that was interesting. You mentioned Blackrock. I want your thoughts on this. It's really interesting. So now that, you know, the head now had of the W.EF, right, which is not surprising. But what's, what is very weird to me is how how, how can completely immersed Black Rock is with the Trump administration, just like the last time, by the way, with the COVID-19 overlap, as well as, you know, like even like a Bill Gates character, who's also very much overlap with Fink in many ways and how Palantir is overlap with all.

Starting point is 00:18:10 That's different point. The point is just Black Rock. And the obvious concern that mostly conservatives have around that, but how it doesn't seem to matter when it is like, you know, the West Trump overlap. Like, how does that not just spin this whole thing out? You know, it's very weird how clear that is. What do you think about that and kind of choosing to ignore it? Yeah, well, I just recorded an episode for macroaggressions that'll go out next week about the dark heart of the financial system, which is BlackRock.

Starting point is 00:18:38 And when you dig into what they really own, I mean, you know, people say like, oh, they own everything and you go, yeah, yeah, yeah. But to be a, to be 0.01% of their portfolio means that they've got at least a billion and a half dollars invested in your company. It is staggering the amount of money that they have. They have $12.5 trillion of assets under management as of this quarter. So it and growing at rates that are staggering. They were $9 trillion in 2023 just to put it in perspective. So we're talking about a 33% growth in just two years when you're already at nine. trillion dollars under management.

Starting point is 00:19:27 And you're growing at startup rates. That's so insane. It just becomes the idea of that money, like, have you ever seen one of those videos that do like the visualization of money? Yes. Once you get past like so many million, like your brain can't even really, it just becomes like this blends together. Oh, you built trillions.

Starting point is 00:19:45 You know, it's like it's you can't even really understand it. You know, that's why it's called a shadow bank. That's what's so weird about it is that it's literally called a shadow band. And it is, it is basically the U.S. government finances at this point. You know, it's just so wild. But so it's, it's very alarming to me. We can, you know, be talking about the Great Reset. We can watch how all of this is just completely fully arched back to where they're running out the Great Reset.

Starting point is 00:20:07 And maybe it's like a barely different PR campaign. You know, it's just a little bit different slant. And now Fink is, is head of the W.EF and now pushing out more and more about the same future. And now he's, you know, it's just, I think I'm shocked to see how few people have made those dots connect. I'm actually really feeling good about how many people are choosing to call out the Epstein cover up, call out a lot of this stuff. But that one to me is just like that needs to happen. Like we need to recognize that this is in full blow. I mean, what do you think about that? Do you think the Great Reset is being completely executed right now or is there something different

Starting point is 00:20:40 happening? Well, when you've got build back better and you rebrand it with a big beautiful bill, right? It feels like you're using the same ad agency to deliver the message. Yeah, it's hard not to see that. So I mean, when you know that both of these red team, blue teams are the same team. When you understand that, then it all makes way more sense. So the idea that like, well, here comes the red team. Well, what are they going to do? Well, they're going to do something kind of similar. But it's going to be, it's going to have red team terminology.

Starting point is 00:21:19 It's going to have their ad. It's going to have all their stars in it. It's going to be geared more towards them because they're the winners. So this time we're still doing the same stuff. It's just a different flavor. It's Coke or Pepsi. And so the tyranny, in fact, if you want to sell the tyranny that the people on the red team would rightly call out, then you're going to need your guy to do it. Because you can't have the opposite guy try to sell the, it just doesn't work that way.

Starting point is 00:21:48 You've got to have your guy. So what the Trumpers didn't realize was that when he won, then what that meant was that they were going to get a whole bunch of things coming their way that were going to be against their own self-interest, but they were going to be made to support it because their guy was there. So if the Democrats, you know, all broke down and cried, you know, when Trump got in again. But if they understood the plan, what they would see is that for the next four years, they're actually going to get probably a little bit of a break. while he targets the conservatives and removes their rights and does the things that had Obama done it, he would have been caught, how Joe Biden or whoever that was done it or Kamala,

Starting point is 00:22:33 there would have been, you know, they would have been locked and loaded ready to go. But because it's their guy, they all put their guard down. They allow that Trojan horse to be brought inside the gates and then they get the world economic forum in the form of Larry Fink. well, you were going to get the World Economic Forum either way.

Starting point is 00:22:52 It didn't really matter. You just got it this time. But now he's Trump's guy because of, I don't know, Lutnik or something. I don't know. Many, many different overlapping points. But yeah, I guess more what I'm asking is, do you think that the great reset as it was laid out is actually still happening? Or do you think they've deviated from the, you know, bigger plan? That happens.

Starting point is 00:23:15 You know, we've seen it. We've seen them shift entirely to something new, at least momentarily. So do you think that's still what's happening? Are they going to shift? Well, define the Great Reset then, exactly. Yeah, I mean, I guess the campaign that was laid out, right? Like the all the different market, the points of the Great Reset laid out by Klaus Schwab, you know, the Fourth Industrial Revolution and all of that kind of stuff.

Starting point is 00:23:37 Like, do you think that's like an earnest still marching forward or are we, or maybe that was the head fake itself, you know? What do you think? Well, I think in Europe, they're for sure getting the World Economic Forum treatment. I think that with Trump, he's probably less enthusiastic about it, but I don't think that he has a say ultimately in this. I think that when you're talking about this globalist group, it's settled in boardrooms more so than in Washington, D.C. You know, once they've incorporated the major corporations of the world with the interlocking boards of directors, and then you bring the granddaddy of them all BlackRock in and have their head guy sit down and drive policy,

Starting point is 00:24:28 my guess is that it will continue, but it just might look a little bit differently. It might not be, you know, the overt bad guy, Klaus Schwab with the German accent and the spacesuits that he wears. But it could be more like, you know, it's definitely going to be as bad, probably even worse with Larry Fink, but it'll be handled in, you know, through these interlocking boards of directors where all the major decisions are made. And whether Trump wants it or doesn't want it, I think this is above his pay grade. Yeah, that's a good point, too, is it kind of does now slant the flavor towards more of the, what we're seeing a lot of actually. Like the CEO run country, the CEO run Liberty, Freedom City that's actually a technocratic nightmare. You know, it's like, it's, so maybe that's the new push. We're selling it to you as the CEO run version that will be business wise.

Starting point is 00:25:23 You know, it's like it's interesting, even though that's clearly not even what's happening. More spending, bigger government, you know, it's frustrating. I personally, I think it's very much still happening. Like the very plan, you know, but just slightly different framing. But I guess, see how it plays out. But you mentioned John Bull. So I think this is interesting. Just a couple overlaps on this rating the whole of John Bolton, which is just on its face, interesting because I think it's funny to see how the, you know, the, what the word they use.

Starting point is 00:25:52 The friends of the past become the enemies of today. You know, it's like constantly off like that, you know, where he was the team player, him and Bill Barr were going to save the world. And now they're the monsters. But like, you're, you already addressed this. And I agree. I think it's wildly inconsistent. And just the idea of the authoritarianism itself, like what's happening here. Do you, I haven't gone into this.

Starting point is 00:26:10 in depth. What's the argument, do you know, of why they don't know? I haven't looked at it. I mean, it's getting right now, but I haven't got a chance to look at it. You know, I mean, if we're talking about like what crimes could John Bolton be arrested on. Right. I would imagine there's a variety of them. But in terms of what they're looking at right now, why today, as opposed to last week or three weeks from now, I don't know. I did read this earlier. If they're claiming or there are part of a larger search for classified records, doesn't that become like the catch-all these days? Classified records, you know, and then no one ever gets in trouble for anything.

Starting point is 00:26:43 It's, but then now, let's see, here's where it gets interesting. The narrative becomes that it's more than that, even though there's nothing to go on, and that's what I find interesting. Excuse me. Alis Jones says, DOJ sources, which, you know, his quote unquote, DOJ sources have been wrong more often than not, say more raids are coming ahead of dozens of indictments. So, you know, I don't, this feels a lot more like we keep the whole Q thing. But, I mean, I think we both agree, to your point actually before.

Starting point is 00:27:08 there's so many crimes you can arrest his people for, but you do, then you open the box for all of them. You know, Trump was in there when he was doing these things. I mean, they're all war criminals, you know, so I doubt that's what it's going to be about. I don't even think John, I don't think John Bolton or anybody is going to be held accountable. This is FBI raids, Maryland home of John Bolton.

Starting point is 00:27:26 Of course, Patel says, no one is above the law. You've got to love these fake statements that like you said here, Barnum statement, public corruption will not be tolerated. In fact, corruption will always be tolerated inside the American Empire. It's part of the glue that keeps the whole thing together. That's Dan Bongino for the podcast. Bonnie, go ahead and comment if you want to.

Starting point is 00:27:45 I can't see your face right now. So jump in if you want to. I was going to read some of these. You have a comment? No, I just think that it's such a, it's such a laughable statement when the FBI is out there talking about how nobody's above the law. Like, what have you been watching for the last, oh, I don't know, 25 years? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:03 There's clearly a segment of society that is above the law. And even more so clearly right now in this administration. I mean, they've shown us that with Epstein, Maxwell or anybody else, or Gates or, you know, and the people are supposed to be trotted in front of us in handcuffs, you know? Yeah. And then there's a couple more of these that just this one is. So, you know, saying that, you know, Patel is telling us no one's above the law.

Starting point is 00:28:26 Over here, though, and this was the day before, Trump administration was preparing to fire Patel or replace him with Andrew Bailey. There was a whole conversation there if you want to get into it. But it's interesting. Like, it's the way that this report. reporting has been going from a lot of them is very interesting. You know, kind of like, I don't know. Just it's weird the way they recovered.

Starting point is 00:28:43 This one says whistleblower reveals how Patel and Bongino are actually being thwarted by the deep state. Right. So it's like, this is my point of how he's coverage out. You're covering all your bases. You throw out every possible thing. And then whichever way it goes, we knew it, we were right. You know, I just find it very interesting.

Starting point is 00:28:57 But the idea that somehow President Trump's kryptonite has always been a corrupt DOJ, what a stupid thing to say? Yeah, because I don't know, what do you think before I jump in with that? Just theater. You know, it's like, and cue, you know, the, you know, the actors to the stage, you know, and then exit stage left. It just, it just feels like trust the plan, arrests are coming, deep state is in trouble, it'll all be exposed, you know, all this stuff. I mean, is John Bolton being led away in handcuffs? Did they, I mean, raiding his house?

Starting point is 00:29:33 this could be theater for all we know. I mean, maybe they're trying to rattle his cage, but is John Bolton going to go to prison? No. If he was going to go to prison, he would have gone to prison for, I don't know, being involved in war crimes, for facilitating the sale of chemical weapons to Iran or Iraq

Starting point is 00:29:55 or some foreign leader. Remember the video of him, like, walking down the street in the United Arab Emirates, some people filmed him. They're like, John Bolton walking down the street, he was like, walking down the street or he was in like Doha someplace. And you're like, what's going on here? He's so he's a, he's a scumbag arm salesman and has been for a long, long time, a bloodthirsty Zionist who never saw a war.

Starting point is 00:30:19 He didn't want your kids to go die in. So there's plenty of reasons to want to hate John Bolton or to think that he should be locked up. But what, what this is all about in the end is it's, it's like Trump porn. for the right where they go, you know, he's rounding him up. He's just going one by one. I mean,

Starting point is 00:30:39 at this rate, there'll be dozens of people in the, by the next four years, out of the thousands or tens of thousands who should be let away in handcuffs. I mean, it just feels, it just feels like more theater to fill the news cycle.

Starting point is 00:30:56 And then, you know, football's coming up. It starts in two weeks. So it'll be out of the, we'll be talking about it. Right. Well, I mean,

Starting point is 00:31:02 clearly your point is, this is the same thing I've said in the past about others, right? Or Obama or anybody. The idea is, okay, so you're telling us, you're going out, you've raided his home. So you've got something, right? So why isn't he being arrested and let away? The idea that, so you're on a fishing expedition that. You're going there to look for something. So that clearly does not mean what they're trying to lay it out as. They're framing it as, it's all coming down. Well, then they would be arresting these people, not diving into their home and making a big show like you're talking about. You know, it's, it's insulting to our intelligence at the end of the day.

Starting point is 00:31:32 And the idea of the, you know, the Trump porn thing is it's clear that they want that momentum. They want you to feel like, to distract from many, many different things. I mean, isn't it weird how the Epstein story, it's every day we get further from that story. Every single day, there's no, it's not, I don't even see momentum anymore. They keep acting like, well, the courts, they said no. And there's so many other angles through which they could put information out. And they are just letting it drift away. It's very obvious.

Starting point is 00:31:58 Dave Smith, even just. called him out in some recent thing he was on stage saying, you know, they covered this up, or even the, what's the other ones that was just talking about? Like, whether it's the Maha, complete dismantling of this administration, but all these different moves where they just keeps getting further away, you know, it's, do you think there's going to be any accountability for any of that or any of the different, you know, larger points? No.

Starting point is 00:32:18 I mean, I, and they, you know, if there, if there was a little bit of accountability, it would go a long way. That's why John does. They haven't made that that connection. Like you've got to show some of the people going to jail if you really want to get away. But they, they don't care. Much in the same way, they don't care about the Epstein stuff. You know, he just left them, he hung them out to dry, you know, cash and Bongino,

Starting point is 00:32:48 he just says, we're not releasing it. You guys go out there and fall on your swords, look like idiots. I don't care. We're not going to. I just know that, you know, I'm going to take it for a while. and then we'll move off of the news cycle. And I've been around long enough to know that eventually, you know, summer will be over. We'll be talking about something else and we'll forget about it.

Starting point is 00:33:07 And you guys get to bear the brunt of it. You guys, that people, anybody who's loyal to Donald Trump, why, this is like being loyal to the psychotic king. You know at some point he's going to turn on you. He turns on everybody. And to think that this time you're going to tame him or you're going to be different or you're going to get to get to the bottom of it or whatever. Like it's, it's not happening. There's no loyalty with this guy at all. And so the, the cash, you know, the Bonginos and the bondies of the world, he views them as

Starting point is 00:33:38 disposable. The way he's seen people, contractors, you know, through his business world, I'm sure executives with NBC probably saw them as disposable. You know, he doesn't value people. So if you want to work with this guy, just, you know, don't act surprise when things go or I mean, I don't know why these, these guys are acting like they didn't see it coming. Like, we all saw it coming. Yeah, I agree.

Starting point is 00:34:03 I mean, I'm of the mind that more and more people who haven't in the past are. But I wonder here too, like, you know, it's certainly like because of what you said and how long this has been, the can has been kicked down the road, if you will, you know, it wouldn't surprise me if somebody like a John Bolton does. I mean, again, I don't think it's going to happen based on past events, precedence, you know, and just the reality of the facts, I'm arguing, I think it's unlikely. But if it did, it would make sense because they know that people need that, some kind of a bone. But look, we are doing it.

Starting point is 00:34:32 Bolton was everybody hates John Bolton. Everybody. Yeah, you could do that to universal approval. Seriously, but John Bolton does know where the bodies are buried, you know? And so, like, you wonder how this ultimately plays out. But I simply said, you know, who's got the odds on whether this is yet another hype, false story in a long line of hype false stories that leads nowhere but the

Starting point is 00:34:51 but the sale of penis bills on Info Wars as we all should I certainly hope these criminals are arrested but history suggests that we're being played. John Bolton will never go into a prison cell. If John Bolton is ever going to be taken off the chess board, it will be

Starting point is 00:35:08 that some two men enter his room, hold him down, inject him with a substance, slip out the back door and John Bolton has a heart attack in the middle of the night. Right, right. They're not going to leave a guy that who knows where the bodies are buried, as you rightly pointed out, to sit around and get himself in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a pickle, and then have to start talking. That just he, and, and John Bolton wouldn't know that. Yeah, exactly. That's a great

Starting point is 00:35:33 point, which means he's going to act accordingly, or logically speaking, that's what you'd assume, you know, but, you know, a overlapping point is the Maxwell point, which I didn't have necessarily set up to talk about, but the interesting discussion I recently saw, I don't know if you saw this, where now the statement's coming out, whether being released by people of supporting of her or the prison or herself, I didn't really see, I've got into it in depth,

Starting point is 00:35:55 but that she's in danger now, right? Which interestingly makes sense, right? You're clearly, with the whole overlap to all of this, you've been moved to a lower security prison and everyone just kind of stops talking about it. It's like, was that set up that way? So she could be taken out? You know, it's worth considering, right?

Starting point is 00:36:10 But it's interesting to think about that now you have this situation where she is, you know, in limbo. It could work out in her favor if ultimately this, you know, I don't know. How do you see this playing out? With her in that position, it seems they're grifting further or further away from any accountability. The courts have stepped in and said at least twice now that we're not, the records can't come out, even though they could do it if they wanted to.

Starting point is 00:36:29 Where do you see that going? I mean, I think we talked about this a couple of months ago. What if they made her into a victim? That's already happening in some places, news masks, for example. You could see her, well, I mean, I guess you could go one of two ways with this. You could either see this as they're moving her into position for her to be easier to be taken out. which a case could be made for that. But I think people who know the prison system will tell you,

Starting point is 00:36:54 if you want to get somebody, you can get them. And if you want to get somebody as high profile as her, you're going to have to have connections to do that. And of course, the people who would want Galane Maxwell dead would have those connections. So I think that she's always been in danger, but she also hasn't been talking in the past. And so the more that the FBI visits her in jail, I mean, that obviously puts a target on your back because it implies that you're in some way communicating with them and nobody can be sure what you're saying.

Starting point is 00:37:26 So that would automatically put a target on her back as if she didn't have one already. But maybe it kind of died down and, you know, they made a calculation. But if you want to come at this from the other direction, is that she could be one step closer to getting out for talking to these people about the, what she knows, about who was involved. She could be in being pressured in some way to come out and say, all these people over here were involved, but Trump wasn't. Right. Obviously, that's, that would, you know, if she did that,

Starting point is 00:38:02 if that was part of some sort of stipulation, the left would never believe it anyway. So I don't know who you'd be convincing. You might be able to settle the minds of some of the people on the right, but they're already convinced that he's innocent of everything. he's fine. I don't know, though. I see a split down the middle, though.

Starting point is 00:38:21 I mean, I see a lot of really prominent people on the right who are, you know, in many ways even still supporting him, which I continue to find confounding like with the COVID shot thing. But they go, you know, yes, bad, but he did cover up the Epstein network, you know. It's nice. It's a crack. Yeah. I like that.

Starting point is 00:38:37 Right. I do like that they're starting to break away and say, well, I supported him, but I don't support this. Okay, good. That's a great first step. It doesn't mean you don't have to sign on to everything. You know, you can like one of these candidates, but it doesn't have to, you don't have to sign on to everything that they do. You can say, I like them, but I don't like what he's doing right now, right?

Starting point is 00:38:55 That's the first step towards recognizing that they're all, they're all criminals. But if you can at least see the flaws in your guy or you can, you know, you can say, I draw the line here. Like, this is something, this is wrong, or we voted for him. Or I was kind of on the fence and I didn't really care one way or the other, but I leaned towards him because it would be nice to have some resolution to the episode. stuff and a lot of these people need to be in prison. So he said he would do that. So if there's a chance that he'll do it, I'll vote for him. And then he gets in there and goes, yeah, we're not doing it. You go, God damn it.

Starting point is 00:39:27 Yeah. You know, I fell for it again. One of those, like for those people, yeah, I think those people are genuinely starting to be, to feel like they've been had. And, you know, but, but if Galane came out and just said, oh, Trump wasn't involved at all. I mean, how much, I don't know, would that, would that do, would that do anything for the damage control of those people who are frustrated with him if he came out and would it be, would that be good enough? Or would they say still doesn't change the fact that this was done to somebody's kids? You might not have been the person doing it, but somebody was.

Starting point is 00:40:06 And for you to not investigate this or to call us all stupid for still talking about it is is not only insulting to my intelligence. but it's immoral or it's, you know, it goes against my, my sense of morality or something. You know, so I can, I, I don't know what she's going to be used for in this whole play.

Starting point is 00:40:31 But, um, you know, she's got cards to play, I would imagine. She's in prison, which is not a good spot. But,

Starting point is 00:40:39 you know, she knows a lot. And that information is valuable to a lot of people. And I think at this point, with where they've bungled this thing so far, I think that they, the best case scenario for the Trump administration or just Trump's personal perspective

Starting point is 00:40:54 would be to go that route. To have her come out, you know, folded in over the next week or two weeks, you know, some kind of over new, new stories come out that she's the victim, right? That somehow that it was all abuse

Starting point is 00:41:06 and that she was played and, you know, it finally comes out through the court. And if you, using that and then her saying, Trump was innocent, they were trying, it's a Democrat attack. Like, I could see far. too many in even people you know people that are maybe calling stuff out but want to believe in Trump falling for that because it's an easy low-hanging fruit to be like I knew it he wasn't bad

Starting point is 00:41:26 it was always the Democrats you know and and it puts back to that's what I think the best case scenario is but that would be difficult to manage I think but we'll have to see how plays out interesting though so let let's talk about this last point on the partisan thing I think is interesting this this has been going around in regard to an interview that um Tucker Carlson had. And what's the guy's name again? It was, is just weird? Thank you. Yeah. And this everyone, Laura Loonerl, dog piling. Look, and you know my, I'm not, I'm very, very, very suspicious of Tucker Carlson, but how, and I think there's a lot of very obvious reason to be, but he has been calling things out, even though there's things that have been public knowledge for a long time,

Starting point is 00:42:04 that have been getting a lot of attention to them around Israel and so on, which is positive, but we should continue questioning all of them. I hope that's importantly heard, but it's funny to see the loomers of the types kind of like dog piling on. to him about anything they can, which says a lot to me. This one was about him saying, I think the statement was, one can make the argument that we should have sided with Hitler. Now, you know, I've seen his work. The idea to claim that he's advocating for Hitler support is absurd.

Starting point is 00:42:28 If you look at the rational arguments that are being made, as I understand it, and I watched the general part of it, is that ultimately the argument is, you know, that based on this information, should this be true, you could argue that that was the side that, you know, was, you know, fighting the evil, you know, whatever. not to say that he goes, I think we sport Hitler. It's a very nuanced argument. And look, I'm not, let's just even say he was making that statement.

Starting point is 00:42:51 My point is around all of it is how insane it is for somebody to say, Tucker is now bad for letting this person express their opinion. You know what I mean? Like, isn't that the woke left, right? Isn't that what that was about the same thing? And now here's the right, doing the same thing, which is always the point to make around this, but just the way that it's like this language control point. And I mean, in no way, to be clear, am I arguing that there's somehow an argument made

Starting point is 00:43:13 that we support. I don't think that's the reality. I think he was a monster like a lot of people that worked in many ways overlap with the very powers we're fighting today, by the way, both U.S. and others we could talk about. But what are your thoughts about this and how it's being applied? And like, especially with the overlap of Zionism and where this all is, it's an interesting thing. The split right here, rumor, Tucker, you know, what do you think about it all? Well, they did the same thing with Daryl Cooper when he came on talked about Churchill, right?

Starting point is 00:43:37 And he was like, well, Churchill isn't all that great. What are you talking about? How dare you? He had a cigar. and you go, well, there's more, it goes to an underlying point that there are more questions about World War II now than there have ever been. And people are starting to reexamine history and look back on this and go, all right, well, given what I know now about the way the media operates and how dirty politicians are

Starting point is 00:44:10 in our modern world, isn't it reasonable for me to think? think that maybe what we in the West are told about World War II is skewed to benefit us and make us look better, make somebody, you know, history is written by the victors, as they say. I had a conversation with a handyman who is Russian and who works with me on things. And I asked him, oh, he couldn't come one day because he was at a celebration with his family. And it was a, it was the World War II celebration. He said, it's a big deal to us, to the Russians and in my community here in Denver. He says, do you know about World War II? I said, well, I know, I mean, I had to unlearn what I thought I knew and learn the new version of it. And what I know is that you guys

Starting point is 00:45:05 lost a lot of young boys. You lost a lot of people during that war. And that and that the bulk of the heavy lifting was done by the Soviet Union against the Germans and that America's involvement was greatly exaggerated. He just looked at me like, okay, yeah, I mean, so you know a little bit more about it. And so there's a, it depends on, on, it depends on where you grew up and what you're taught. Because here in the United States, I mean, America saved the day in World War II. We dropped the bombs on those dirty Japs, you know, and we, and we, we came in and we defeated the bad guys. and you go, okay, well, what if they're all bad guys? Right, right.

Starting point is 00:45:46 Have we considered that? Like, there's this idea that it's like, these are the good guys and those are the bad guys. It's like, well, okay, but the reason why it all started in the first place was because of all these other things that nobody talks about. Doesn't that make the good guys kind of the bad guys too? Well, okay. So when Dave Collum or Daryl Cooper or somebody is saying, talk, you know, goes and says something like this that creates a firestorm.

Starting point is 00:46:15 What they're really saying is World War II is a lot more complex than we have been told. Right. It's there's the stories of what led to it, what happened during it. And then the things that were done in the aftermath of it, there are a ton of lies surrounding those stories. And it is worth a reexamination. Now, you know, it talks, you know, it just kind of harkens back to the, the general patent quote about, I think maybe we fought on the wrong side here. And you go, why would he say that? You know, what did he see? Did he see something that we didn't see? Is it, you know, they're all banker wars, you know, was Hitler a gay British spy, as Sam Tripoli says? You know what I mean? Like, I mean, what's really going on? Because because to examine a comment like that, just on its face, even if he said, you know, even if he went to the most extreme, requires you to unpack a whole new version of history that you probably didn't know. And you're not going to ever get to a point where you're saying Hitler was a good guy, right?

Starting point is 00:47:21 You're not going to get there. But you're going to get to a point. You're going to go, well, now I understand. If I was in Germany in 1937, I would have given the middle finger of the Nazis and I would have never joined up anything. And you go, yeah, you live through COVID. didn't you? You saw what happened to people during COVID, right? I don't know if you, you know, do you know the conditions inside Germany that led to a lot of this frustration? What was happening? Who was doing it? What was being done? Like, there's a whole lot to unpack here. So I think that

Starting point is 00:47:51 when you're, you're in a headline driven society, social media fueled, sound bites, clips, two minute thing. I got two minutes a Tucker out of three hours or whatever. If you use that, you can paint whatever picture you want. You can make Dave call him look like a rabid Nazi if you'd like to. Or you can make him look as like an intellectual, who he is. You worked as a professor at Princeton. And what he's saying is that we have to examine all the information, not just some cherry-picked information that goes in your textbooks that's controlled by

Starting point is 00:48:24 some guys that you don't even know. So I think that whenever you get something like this, it's probably good for ratings, good for clicks, you know, probably gets a lot of people watching that. that interview. But if you're looking to drag some guy out in his jackboots out of an interview with Tucker, this isn't it? Well, on top of that,

Starting point is 00:48:42 it's not even, it's largely directed towards Tucker. How dare he sit there and let this man express his voice? And after everything that Charlie just said and what we just looked at, now listen to the statement again, the argument could be made that this was the, like, to make the,

Starting point is 00:48:57 to put out the idea that you're not like framing an alternative argument in any context is somehow wrong. It's weird how that is only really ever happening in conversations like this. And certain points and certain historical, you know, it's, this is not allowed. You are not allowed to look at Zionism. You know, it's very weird how all that happens, you know, but I think it just speaks to the control of a lot of important things. Like your point about World War II entirely, you know, there's major aspects that people

Starting point is 00:49:22 don't look into. They don't want to understand. And even the idea of like the most contentious parts by design, the Holocaust, you know, the different aspects of the way that went down. The idea that we're not allowed to have a conversation about nuances or how somebody, like, even from the perspective of maybe they just got the data wrong. You know, it's like, how dare you? You know, it's like whatever it is. And it's just so insane.

Starting point is 00:49:44 That speaks volumes. And I think today people are finally, you know, more than ever recognizing that it's not to say that we're trying to make the argument that this is good or that's bad. It's just an analytical point. You know, it's just like you're saying, he's an intellectual making an argument about the historical misinformation. And that's what it all spins out into. It just shows you the control that we are under in the world. And it's not just Israel. There's a lot of other parts around this, you know.

Starting point is 00:50:09 But thank you. That's insightful breakdown on that. It's very, very weird, though. It's coming from Ted Cruz, you know, and like watching this kind of split down the middle of these parties. It's fascinating to watch. You're not allowed to make the argument that there could be questions about World War II, but you are allowed to make the argument that men can have babies. Yeah, right.

Starting point is 00:50:26 Or going the direction based off your COVID point, right, that we don't need a COVID-19. we're watching a genocide play out and people are citing, you know, the same kind of idea. But to your point, you know, it's, it's about a bastardization of the information, you know, using the misinformation to drive us into places of control, as always, every possible thing. But then always within that, there are multifaceted agendas, you know, individual congressmen, let's say, that have their own agenda about the way they want something to go down or people in the military or different governments, you know, there's always, that's why it's so difficult to put a pin in one thing. This is what it was about, you know, there's always so

Starting point is 00:51:01 many things happening. Let's take this into, you know, well, I was either going to talk about ICE, DC overlap or let's say how much time we have. Let's talk about this first and then we'll go into some DC stuff and ice if with how much time we have left. So I thought this was interesting. So you might have seen this. This just kind of speaks to the larger agenda. Elon Musk on how to avoid being replaced by AI. I'll just play at the beginning of it. vision for a society where human effort is no longer required for survival or productivity. How do we avoid irrelevance? Right, I think that's a central question.

Starting point is 00:51:42 Well, if you are symbiotic with AI where there's essentially a merger of human and machine intelligence, then we may be able to address the relevance question. So he goes on to clearly continue to point out that we should merge with machines. Does sound familiar. I'm sure we've heard this before. What the fourth industrial revolution will lead to is a fusion of our physical, our digital and our biological identities. Now, to us, this is not new, right?

Starting point is 00:52:22 We've seen Elon Musk make very similar points before. We've seen this building well before Klaus Schwab, you know. But kind of the same earlier. point. And I'd like to even get into some Elon weirdness and Doge and stuff like that. But he's clearly pointing to the direction this is all going in. And this is not like 20 years from now. This is happening. This is the weird part for me as somebody covering this. We're literally watching this happen. You know, right? We can see the building infrastructure, building out. I mean, we have bots running parts of our government at this point, if not entirely, for all we know. You know,

Starting point is 00:52:52 and he's outlining this merger for the future. I just, you know, just want your thoughts on that. Where that goes, the overlap with the China perspective. It's alarming. Well, I think it's important for people to get clear on what the fourth industrial revolution actually is. He talks about the blending a man with machine into something known as transhumanism. And that word matters. The reason why they did not robot future or whatever, no, it's transhumanism. And that word was coined in 1957 by Sir Julian Huxley, the head of the British Eugenics Society, when he rebranded eugenics into something else,

Starting point is 00:53:30 into a different word because it had a lot of baggage. And the word he chose was transhumanism. And it sounds futuristic and kind of cool. And if you go with the sales pitch from Schwab, which will now be Larry Fink, you know, this is an upgrade to your physical body. It's robot arms, it's implantable devices, it's pills that you swallow,

Starting point is 00:53:55 that map and make sure that every, everything is working. You know, it's, it's benefit, benefit, benefit. That's you sell the benefits. This is a timeshare sales pitch and they're only going to show you the glossy images, right? They're not going to talk to you about what it really is about. What it really is about is depopulation because that is transhumanism is eugenics and eugenics is depopulation. So, but you can't just come right out and say that because people won't walk into, you know, they won't, they won't walk into the cage if you, if you say it's about that. So it's got to be about something more and something that they can sell. And who better to sell it than Elon Musk. You know, he's got Neurrelink. He's a trusted guy with your car. You know, you get your satellite

Starting point is 00:54:39 internet from him sometimes. If you're out and about, you know, I mean, he's, he's, he's relevant. And so, so he's the guy who's selling the future. And the future, unfortunately, that these guys want to push. is what he's not going to say when asked the question about relevance in a world of AI is that the truth is you're irrelevant to them. And that actually, as part of the fourth industrial revolution, it's the blending of man with machine, but it's then the subsequent removal of man because they're no longer needed for these tasks. So it's It's just that most people will never dig

Starting point is 00:55:28 Beneath the surface I mean maybe Maybe what is necessary to wake people up to this I mean you would think a cartoon character like Klaus Schwab And his whole get up would be the thing that wakes people up Maybe they just need to see known bad guy Larry Fink In charge there and they go wait a second Like he's not Uncle Klaus

Starting point is 00:55:48 He's Larry the evil banker Why is he in charge of this? like, wait, he wants me to implant devices, the scary banker billionaire guy who owns all these like, what if, what if it has the exact opposite effect? Yeah, yeah, I certainly hope so. You know, you just wonder if kind of the point of made before is that maybe they've created a, you know, a situation, a climate where people are more amenable open to driving towards a CEO run anything, you know, Trump, the business.

Starting point is 00:56:20 And this is the same model, you know, I just hope that. we're not that simple, you know. I'll include this too. This is to make that point. We've covered this many times. James Corbett did a great breakdown of this. This is the one from that basically the Klaus Schwab and the rest in the U.S. government overlap are pointing to converging technologies for improving human

Starting point is 00:56:40 performance 2002. This is the one that Corbett covered from Canada exploring biodigital convergence that it literally says biological and digital systems are converging and could change the way we work, live, and even evolve as a species, which I think is important, seeing as how in this report from 2002, it overlaps that, but this is how I covered it on the show. The government docs from 2002 reveal a 20-year plan to alter evolution with nanotechnology. It puts us right at 2022, right in the middle of the COVID-19 overlap, you know? So it's like I think that there's a very clear effort that overlaps with this that's like a whole,

Starting point is 00:57:13 you know, not just like evolving technology, digital IDs and surveillance, but like something internal, you know, and that's why I think that there's a whole part of this that is being done without our knowledge, you know, and I think that's the COVID-19 overlap, a different point entirely, but I think these obviously connect, you know, and I think a lot of these stories are about trying to get us to look anywhere other than what's literally in front of us, sadly enough. Yeah, well, they're not going to tell the sheep they're headed to the slaughterhouse, you know, they just, they just can't do that. And so they're going to, it will constantly be disguised and hidden or sold to us as a benefit.

Starting point is 00:57:48 And, but for those of us that, that are suspicious about these sorts of things, I mean, and I think we are, we're right to be. The sales pitch is going to look a bit cartoonish. So I always kind of keep that in mind when I see things like this, when I see this Elon, the sales guy. And I always wonder, like, well, maybe this messaging isn't for me. When it's obvious to me that it's crazy and, you know, diabolical, and I look at it and I go, well, maybe everybody else isn't seeing it the way I'm seeing it.

Starting point is 00:58:18 Maybe the way they see it is some other way. I need to read that 2002 document. I'm sure you've seen it before, too. You know, it's the premise for a lot of this. The whole, because, you know, what it's talking about is the merging of the nanotech, biotech, information, and cognitive. So it even talks about like the neuroscience overlap, you know, and this, it's like, this is, what's crazy is how long ago this has been mapped out, you know, and this involves,

Starting point is 00:58:45 the United States, you know, it's, it's a, I'll definitely send it to you. And James, James Corbett did a really good breakdown of this one and, and the whole bigger picture, which I think I'll say that to you. I think I haven't saved as well. It just kind of shows you where this has been mapped out, you know, and what's weird is that half the store, half that conversation, even today is considered to be conspiracy theory. And here they are in 22, like mapping out how these things will converge. And then, of course, when Klaus Schwab steps out and goes, this is when it's happening. You know, it's just, it kind of all clicks together for people that have been watching this build.

Starting point is 00:59:14 You know, it's very, very strange. Well, on a final point around this, you know, what do you think some of these next steps will be? Right now, it feels like a lot of the coverage, the media. It's, we're being pulled. I mean, in obvious, accurate ways, like the genocide is very important to highlight and see in cover, but it's, you know, it's an ongoing kinetic war. My point is that we seem to be focusing on things that are in front of us that we can

Starting point is 00:59:39 cover as opposed to some of these deeper points, like the Great Reset, like transhumanism, technocracy, political machinations, you know? So like, what do you think some of these next larger steps will be that pull us into that direction? You know, that reset. You know, I, I've been, I've been writing recently a lot about eugenics on a new book. And I, it's just a reminder to me that these people, when you get these very powerful people in large groups, they have these.

Starting point is 01:00:12 There's two overriding themes. The one is we should all be in charge. And if we were to work together and form some sort of world governance structure, we could run the world. And secondly, this whole thing would work a lot better if it wasn't for all these people. And as we start to, as you mentioned earlier, the acceleration, it feels like we're at the point now where they're going to start, the culling process. I mean, the vaccines over the last couple of years, whether they were

Starting point is 01:00:48 meant to do it, you know, within hours as some people suffered, or whether it was more of like a 10-year time bomb set on the immune system, it feels like if you're going to push everybody into Agenda 2030, and that's been on their calendar, not my calendar, but their calendar for a long, long time, if we're getting to the final stretch here in the last five years of this. And if you're going to make it happen, it's going to be done through these digital means. It feels like that's the calculation that's been made. So my eyes are always on the technocracy side of things. I talk a lot about the CBDCs and the money and all of that.

Starting point is 01:01:34 But watching that, whether it's the space fence being built or whether it's just the push of AI or the dependency already. A lot of people have on AI, which is crazy. But that's where I'm, I'm keeping my eyes on for the, for the, for the, you know, from here on out, I'm watching the, because in the, in the reason why I feel that way is because on day two of Trump's administration, he walked out some of the most dangerous technocrats in the planet. And so I think it pays to watch that.

Starting point is 01:02:07 Now, there's a lot of things going on. It's not to say, don't worry about what's going on overseas. because I do. But if I have to prioritize what's likely to impact my life, the truth is what's going on in Israel doesn't really factor. But the technocracy, the digital side of things impacts all of us. And so if they can get that lockdown, then we're in real trouble. So I think that that's where my focus has been. I think that it's a reasonable place to put your focus when you see the likes of Sam Altman and Larry Ellison and Elon Musk and Peter Thiel and Alex Carp and of course the role of J.D. Vance and you wonder,

Starting point is 01:02:48 why is that guy there? Yep. We know he's one of them. They created him and he's been installed. He's got an unusual rise to power and it looks like he'll be the next one. And so what are these guys have going on with him? You know, so if we're looking for something like, what are we working on in the future? Well, I'm working on in the future is watching J.D. Vance to see what,

Starting point is 01:03:12 sort of Trojan horse he's going to become. Yeah. Because it feels like he may be, you know, Trump can all for far because he's polarizing, but maybe Vance can sweet talk people. Well, there we go. I lost you for a second there. Yeah, but I agree. I think that Vance is a very alarming character.

Starting point is 01:03:36 He very much, you know, it has a very, you know, I was going to say has a very kind of Obama-esque kind of presence, but then I almost take that back because he's not as, you know, And it shouldn't be taken as like a praiseworthy thing. They're all monsters. But like Obama was very good at presenting himself as somebody who seemed like he cared or, you know what I mean? And Vance has a little bit of that. But at the same time, it's a little bit more, I don't even know the right word,

Starting point is 01:03:58 but it would be for clumsy at it, I guess. But he is better than Trump. Let's put it that way. You know, so I definitely worry where that goes. And I've already seen people in the Republican side of this, like almost already setting this up. Like the idea of, you know, he's going to be better. You're right.

Starting point is 01:04:13 It's already being laid out and very. well may have been the plan from the get-go. You know, it's hard to say. But I definitely agree with you. I think that that is a very obvious focal point. Now, I mean, I would argue, though, that I think that the warfare, specifically in Gaza is much more interconnected with this agenda than most, with the whole plan for like maybe the first Freedom City, Gaza, whatever they're talking about.

Starting point is 01:04:34 But I do agree. I think that right now it's obvious. I just did a big show about this called the Technocratic Tipto, where I kind of laid a lot of this out in one long, you know, one quick little four-hour video where you can just, you know, put it all together, but important to think that how all of this kind of comes together and is building out in front of us. But I always a pleasure talking with you, brother. I look forward to the next one and breaking down. You know, as always, I've got like 50 different things we could get into, but I just, I like walking through these with you and kind of sharing our thoughts on it.

Starting point is 01:05:01 I really do think it opens some, you know, sometimes my eyes to some of these things that I wasn't thinking about. So thanks for joining me again, brother. I look for you. Thanks for having. Anything else you want to drop for relief? Any upcoming events? I would like for people to go to activist post and and bookmark that and and find you know i've got a podcast section on there too and we rotate in great interviews for from people all over the world and we've got great writers you know it's just one-stop shop independent media alliance you can go in there and search through that link that tag anything that comes up um we'll uh you know we'll pull anything that's been tagged with that and so there's what 18 of us

Starting point is 01:05:42 in that group. So anything that they've written, you can find it all there. It's a, it's just a, there's a little bit for everybody. And of course, if you're checking it out on mobile, we did not build an app specifically because we did not want to centralize control into the hands of the app store. So you're going to be on your own to go to a browser and just pull it up, bookmark it and do it that way. But, but please and thank you as far as going to the site. You know, Activist Post has been in business for 15 years. I take it seriously that they, entrusted me to carry it the next step. And I think that we do a pretty good job over there of curating some information that this audience. I mean, it's not for everybody. Let's be fair.

Starting point is 01:06:25 But this audience, 100%. You'll like what we're doing at Activist Post. I'm willing to bet you it's more often the more people than you think today. I really do. But yeah, please make sure you support an activist post. It's been going on a long time. And Charlie has taken the helm. And it's an important aspect of the independent media. there's a lot of good content there. But the attack on all of this field is just constantly, it's ever present. You know, everyone is constantly being, you know,

Starting point is 01:06:50 it's all two steps forward, one step back in this field for people that are doing it the right way, in my opinion. So thanks for keeping that going, brother. And I'll leave it there for today. Looking forward to the next one. And as always, everybody out there, question everything. Come to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant.

Starting point is 01:07:05 From the president's office in the White House in Washington, D.C., we present an address by the president of the United States, Dwight D. Eisenhower. In holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific technological elite.

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