The Last American Vagabond - Dan Cohen Interview - The Manufactured Middle East Plight & The Zionism Lynchpin

Starting point is 00:00:01 Welcome to the Last American Vagabond. Well, the foreign policy scene is just rife with chaos, whether we're talking about the political dynamic in the U.S. and how that relates, or whether we're talking about funding in current disasters or just ongoing regime changes around the world. We've been highlighting a lot of how this might connect the discussion of Israel and Zionism and a lot of really deep conversations. So I'm honored today to have on Dan Cohen, founder of Uncaptured Media,

Starting point is 00:00:47 to discuss just how he sees all this fitting together or maybe not or how, you know, just simply why this is important for us to be paying attention to and how many lies there are surrounding just about everything we're going to talk about today. So, Dan, thank you so much for joining me. How are you today? I'm doing pretty well. Thanks for having me on again, Ryan. Yeah, my pleasure. My pleasure. I think you're a very insightful person in this conversation, and I think it's your take on this tends to be what I gravitate towards, you know, objective, nonpartisan. And I think that's something we should all be striving for.

Starting point is 00:01:17 So I'd like to start today with just a general point around, you know, right now I think the election. And I think, unfortunately so, even from the rest of the world, the U.S. election dynamic seems to kind of overtake a lot of things. And I tend to think it's a lot more of a distraction. My opinion, my audience is well aware of about whether this even translates to the outcome. But I want your just general thoughts on where that, how it relates to foreign policy right now with, at least in my opinion, whether Kamala, Biden, Trump, or R.K. or any of it, it all kind of seems to be leaning in the same direction. Now, do you, I'd like your thoughts on if you agree with that and how you see and really, I guess, what that might mean for the voters out there in

Starting point is 00:01:54 the United States. Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, domestically, people, it's, I mean, it seems to me, you know, at least from, I live in Washington, D.C. but just observing, you know, which is obviously extremely blue, like I'm in the belly of the beast. But I think people are not terribly excited for either candidate. It's, you know, the 2016, whether, you know, that era, whether it was like the Bernie movement or the Trump, you know, the Trump movement, I think those illusions have sort of disappeared. And I think, you know, if it is an actual free and fair election, if it were counted by the popular vote, probably Trump would win. I mean, but, you know, with that first debate, at his debate with Kamala.

Starting point is 00:02:46 I don't think he looked particularly strong. I thought, you know, the more recent debate between J.D. Vance and Tim Walz, Vance looked stronger and J.D. or and Tim Walz just looked totally out of sorts. And, I mean, his body language was just incredible. I mean, that was a meme all over Twitter. But, you know, nonetheless, I think people are not really buying in to, they're looking for an alternative. And there's not a huge amount of excitement about,

Starting point is 00:03:14 about either party, broadly speaking. What that means, you know, there's so much that can happen. I mean, the way that both parties really have undermined people's trust in the system between, you know, the Democrat saying in 2016 when Hillary lost to Trump that, you know, Russia put him in power. And then, you know, Trump, when he lost in 2020, saying, you know, that that was a rigged election, Which, you know, whether it's true or not, which whatever the merit may be, there's just so much, there's just such a lack of trust. And I feel like the political parties have the country very polarized and divided.

Starting point is 00:03:59 I mean, the cultural difference between rural America and, you know, the cities could not be starker. And I think you see that playing out in politics. And now, you know, we're at this time of crisis. with this hurricane that just did massive damage. I mean, it's an interesting, you know, the way you kind of brought it up, it's an interesting confluence of factors. You know, I mean, the main thing, it's, in my mind, of course, the most urgent thing is the, is the genocide in Gaza and this escalating this war, you know, nuclear Israel escalating

Starting point is 00:04:40 this war and what that could lead to. on one hand, I'm, so, you know, just in what, what's happened in the last week, Iran finally striking back after Iran and Hasbola basically played their hand very moderately attempted to use the leverage that they had from the, basically the, basically the kind of space that they had from the Israel's assassination of Ismail Han. in in Tehran to basically, where the world accepted and expected that they were going to strike Israel in retaliation for that. They basically used that to try to pressure and negotiate with the U.S. to force Israel into a ceasefire. The Biden administration was, it was a complete farce all along, all of the negotiations, as I think if you look at the actions rather than the rhetoric all along, you know, since October 7th. That's been totally abundantly clear, but, you know, I certainly don't blame them for, you know, they have to, they don't want to destroy themselves and, you know,

Starting point is 00:05:49 see Israel destroy their countries. They have populations still after. It's not, of course, only about the Palestinians for them, but they fundamentally know at the end of day that Israel's gunning for regime change and to subjugate those countries to Lebanon and Syria and Iran. So, When Iran finally struck back and unlike Israel did not target civilians, I mean, it was just such an incredibly calculated and perfectly executed military operation to launch these variety of missiles at military bases in Israel, the ones that were used not only to kill the Hezbollah. leader, Hassan Nasrallah, but also to carry out these horrible strikes in Lebanon, but also in Gaza. So it's weakening Israel's ability to not only attack neighboring countries, but to continue this genocide. And then just today, we learned it was just reported on Friday, I should say, that the Iraqi resistance was able to launch a drone strike on an Israeli military position, apparently in the occupancy. Golan Heights and kill two Israeli soldiers and wound two dozen more, which I think that's

Starting point is 00:07:14 unprecedented. So now, basically everyone is expecting Israel to carry out some kind of attack on Iran. But, you know, which you knows what it could be. And Israel's all about using overwhelming disproportionate force. Right. So it could be very... in and of itself. Yeah. Right, right, exactly, which is very ugly. And we've, you know, we've seen that, I mean, not just since October 7th, but for years and years and years, but now it's really, it's really at another level. It's surpassed even at the own, its own, the limits it even had set on itself before. Right. So what is that going to do to Iran, quite possibly kill a lot of innocent people? But it's certainly not going to significantly diminish or degrade Iran's, military capabilities, which we saw a fraction of when they, when they launched this retaliatory attack on Israel. So I think basically Israel is, you know, making bets that it, that it, it can't cash, you know, it's, it's not, it's fundamentally not able to defeat the resistance. And it's, and it's, and it has no ability to deescalate because of its own internal, um, sort of dynamics, its own,

Starting point is 00:08:28 uh, ideology and, and, and, and this kind of thing. So, I mean, I would just call, call it desperation and dishonesty. I mean, like, they've built an entire, I mean, this entire illusion around their identity around, I'm talking about Israeli government. You know, I mean, everything about it to this point to where, you know, your narrative is you're the one defending for the moral, you know, acting within the law, which we all see that's not true. And then whether Iran has been doing that in its history, which I would disagree with, in fact, by and large, they choose to calculate response to calculated and make sure we're only aiming at these military sources, which everyone can acknowledge. And all they can do is just

Starting point is 00:09:01 continued the narrative. Why, they hit civilians, we didn't, and it just continues to snowball. I don't see how they can pull their way out of it. They've already trapped themselves in it. But let's come back to the larger foreign policy point. I want to touch on a few things you said first, and we'll get to all of that. I mean, I think what's interesting sense you, and we'll come back to it is, you know, that Iran publicly warned about this.

Starting point is 00:09:19 And then yet they still got through the defenses and still hit these locations. And it just shows you an interesting way that this has all gone down. And coming back to the hurricane and that conversation before we come back to the larger foreign policy point, it's interesting. So coming from the election conversation, you know, both of every entity, it seems kind of leaning in that same direction. So then we have the disaster. So it brings it back to a local conversation for Americans, right? And what's interesting, as you mentioned, and I want to make sure I noted on this. So you said the most urgent. And I made a point about this last night, which no matter how well I explained this, I'm sure somebody gets rubbed the wrong way as if I'm saying that this matters more than American suffering.

Starting point is 00:09:53 And however you want to play that. But like I was saying is it's, it's, everyone out there watching or listening, you can make your mind about what you think is more important. decide to not care about anything outside of this country. That's your prerogative. But what I think is interesting is from an objective standpoint, we're talking about a genocide. We're talking about hundreds of thousands of people that are starving and suffering and being killed. And I just think from a human perspective, that's obviously a more important thing going on from a human perspective and suffering, right? So I just think that's important. So I agree with you. It's an urgent thing that we should all care about, especially since American tax dollars are being used to do it and it's being done in our name half the time. But coming back to the United States, maybe I can even add one,

Starting point is 00:10:29 just to expand on that a little bit. I mean, And it also has the potential to escalate to a much, to a world war between nuclear armed powers. I mean, now Israel just struck an airbase in Syria. I think I can't remember the name of the base, but struck an airbase in Syria that the Russians had spent significant resources and, you know, spent a huge amount of resources and blood, preventing the collapse of Syria in the last decade. So now we have the potential of Russia becoming more, at least for now, indirectly involved. So this is also, you know, it's not just about the Middle East. It's not even only about, you know, Israel, Gaza, Lebanon, Iran. We also, you know, this is a much bigger, this is really a world war contained to that region for the time being.

Starting point is 00:11:21 So just in terms of human life that has already been destroyed and the capability, the capacity to escalate, to, you know, nuclear war or war of, you know, not even nuclear is a much, much greater threat. And that's not to downplay the horrors of what's happening in the southeast right now or the total criminal negligence. But, you know, that's just reality. Right. And I 100% agree with you. And we'll touch on that next because it's absolutely unreal.

Starting point is 00:11:49 And it's not actually, my big point last night is it's not even unique to this certain situation, which, of course, a lot of partisan people are trying to make that the case. But while obviously pointing out important things, but this is just what we've seen. going back from Hurricane Harvey or anything before. It's actually crazy to see how little the American government cares about its people. But yeah, but I think that, you know, it's obviously something that is a massive point that could boil into something much larger in the world. And I think that just has to matter to everybody.

Starting point is 00:12:13 And again, because our tax dollars are being spent to do this. And, you know, but so what's, what's so Americans are rightly concerned about what's going on North Carolina and Tennessee and in the greater area in there. And I think what's interesting is, again, just to that point, what's happening here demonstrates that your government, the main point is that. The main point that I think to highlight, and this is not to get into the valid questions about manipulation of weather, which I think is genuinely scientifically real or other things we could talk about, but just bringing it to the real point of the discussion today, that you could list off the billions upon billions of dollars that are flying out to governments,

Starting point is 00:12:43 as of right now, by the way, while we now have them saying FEMA won't be able to get through the next hurricane season, now you can add to whatever reason you might think that is, I frankly think it's everything, whether you want to talk about immigration or wars. And it's amazing to see in real time that your government's like, sorry, even though we know, know they could just print money if they wanted to or use helicopters or drones or any number of things they're refusing to do or take donations from the millions of people that want to they're refusing any comment on that i mean it's just we it's just a crazy story from an american perspective of how they care more about foreign wars they do about americans yeah i mean it's it's it's worse than negligence it's just total it's like treasonous it's you know they're they're yeah they're just sending

Starting point is 00:13:23 incredible amounts of money all the time to fund wars that, I mean, that they're even losing. I mean, this Ukraine boondoggle, which never was fundamentally, well, I think was about victory. They did want to achieve victory in Ukraine in the sense that what victory was was regime change in Russia. That was, you know, the goal of the Ukraine war. But it's, but in a secondary level, you know, for the military industrial complex, we're just making huge amounts of money off of this and getting government contracts. It's just about keeping, you know, a permanent war in the same way Afghanistan was, even when it became clear, you know, early in the war that the U.S. is not winning, that its stated goals are not going to be achieved. That was, that's been, that's been obvious,

Starting point is 00:14:13 you know, for a long time in Ukraine too. But it's just, you know, keep it going. Keep the, keep the blood flowing and the and the and the money and the contracts coming and it's sort of the same in a way in in Israel. I mean, basically the U.S. in a way, it's almost like sacrificing Israel in order to to, to, you know, keep this, keep this going. This being what? The, the, the, which part is to keep this war going. And so it's huge, you know, again, massive amounts of money going to Israel, which, you know, could not fight for like another day without blanket support from the United States, both financial, military, diplomatic, et cetera, et cetera. And so, you know, I mean, it's to me, when I look at, really, when I look at, you know, I think, I think one of

Starting point is 00:15:08 the questions that, that a lot of people wonder is like, why is the U.S. so attached to Israel? Is it just support it both parties in such a way that it puts its own, puts Israel's interests, what appears to be Israel's interests ahead of American interests. And I think it's because it's not, I don't, I think it's not just the Israel lobby and the, you know, a foreign foreign influence operation. I think that's kind of the infrastructure of it. But I think it's something deeply ideological that they, our ruling class, see

Starting point is 00:15:50 they see the Israeli regime Zionism and what it that that level of power and they want to be able to impose that anywhere you know that's that's like their ideal model

Starting point is 00:16:08 that basically you have a class of you know subhumans that are that you that have no rights, no anything whatsoever, and you can discard them into, say, the Gaza strip and then just exterminate them at your will, you know? I mean, I remember when Hillary Clinton was complaining about Julian Assange and said, can't we just drone strike him? Right. You know, this is the kind of thing. Not that the U.S. hasn't carried out, you know,

Starting point is 00:16:40 plenty of drone strikes in, you know, in the last few decades, of course. But I think pound for pound, Israel is it's it's it's the image that they that they aspire to implement. And so I think in a place like, you know, what's happening in in the southeast right now, I think, you know, North Carolina and et cetera, et cetera, in Georgia, I think that it's a similar model that those, you know, that underclass of America that's been abandoned by the political parties, by, uh, the political parties, our elites, they want to basically consider them, you know, they want to get rid of them. And, you know, so it's kind of like you take that, that model of Zionism of having basically a master race and then unter mentioned and then, you know, undesirables.

Starting point is 00:17:37 And you fit that to your paradigm. So it doesn't have to be along, you know, pseudo-religious lines, which, you know, is. Israel's, I mean, it's national lines. It's not really religious, but they call it religious lines. Right. You know, it can be about anything. It can be the unvaccinated. It can be, you know, anyone who does not comply or is seen as a, you know, a weakness or a, you know, load on the system that they want to implement that those people can be discarded.

Starting point is 00:18:11 It's interesting you frame it. Yeah, sorry. It's interesting you frame it that way, though. So you can see that applying to either left or right perspective, right? So it's like, and so we saw this during the peak of the MAGA, you know, Mago supremac, anti-Semitic, white, whatever they call them, terrorists, MAGA domestic terrorists, you know, it just flip-flops or, you know, the left saying that you, you can see how this works on either side of it.

Starting point is 00:18:30 During COVID-19, it was all about the people that were seeking misinformation around vaccines. You know, and so what I actually see this as to bring it to a global level, and this is actually how I saw it during like, let's just say the Great Reset, which we weirdly saw like a lockstep of just everybody, China, Russia, like a very weird overlap there, that I see it as how all of these governments, and I'm sure some people would disagree, I personally see government as the problem by and large, just governments in a general sense, which is my ideological perspective. But I think that you see like China and Russia, for example, that we're willing to kind of lean into something like that, even if it means brushing up

Starting point is 00:19:02 against what they would see as their adversaries, if it gave them more power over their people, but then sort of differ on how they ultimately see that playing out or where they're infringes on their sovereignty and that way they see it. So I just kind of see that always being the way governments operate. So I agree with you that our government is simply just kind of salivating at the level of control, even though it's now sort of imploding because they just played their hand terribly that they would want for themselves. And I think that's really important for Americans to think about and how both Kamala and Trump are actively competing over who more supports Israel. So I just discussed this last night, kind of the juxtaposition of the idea of Israel killing

Starting point is 00:19:36 an American, by the way, again, sort of highlighting the, you know, America first, unless Israel's doing something or the left ignoring it the same way, really, indiscriminate strikes on Lebanon continue. They killed an American. And then the lithium conversation and how that might overlap with what's going on there. Very interesting. But I wanted to overlap that with

Starting point is 00:19:53 and feel free to comment on the lithium part of it because that is a fascinating conversation. Here's Brian Mast. A U.S. representative who somehow serves in a foreign military and who is saying, I'm demanding Joe Biden and Kamala Harris immediately clawed back the millions. What's funny, by the way,

Starting point is 00:20:08 he actually first posted it saying million, deleted it and reposted it with an ass after millions. It's just funny to me. says set for Gaza and divert it to American families impacted by the hurricane. Now, to be very clear, if we're going to talk about funding going away from the United States and going to the people in this country that needed, I would say that as a blanket statement for anything going anywhere outside the country, which would apply to that. But here, the point is that obviously there's billions flying out to Ukraine, to Israel. So I just wanted to comment on what a ridiculous

Starting point is 00:20:37 statement that is in that context. What are your thoughts? Yeah, I mean, just the level of absurdity is kind of amazing. I mean, you know, I think probably your viewers know who Brian Mask is, you know, after October 7th, he showed up in Congress wearing his Israeli military uniform, which, I mean, it's just incredible that he can do that. And he wasn't, you know, accused of being a traitor that he's an elected official, American official, and he's wearing the military of a foreign uniform. I mean, it's, it's so obvious. It's almost like, assonine to say like imagine if you know he were if he were wearing a Russian military uniform or Chinese or something you can imagine. Or the backlash. Yeah yeah yeah honestly. Right. Right. Right.

Starting point is 00:21:22 Yeah. Um, so I mean, the guy is just obviously a complete puppet of his donors. But he speaks in a very fascist way too. You know, when, you know, people were confronting him like Code Pink would confront him. and, you know, different activists would go to Congress. And he would speak in a very, very fascist way. So he is precisely the kind of person that I think it looks at the Israeli model and is like, this is what we want. This is what we aspire to in the United States. So, you know, whatever it may be, whether it's, you know, if you are, you know, quote unquote,

Starting point is 00:22:03 pro Hamas, you know, like Donald Trump has said, we're going to, you know, crack down on pro Hamas people. And, you know, if you're not a citizen and you support Hamas, you're going to get deported and these kinds of things. You know, this is, it's that thing spreading into, it's this ideology and this kind of, you know, preference or demand for the ability to just impose fascist rule that people like Brian Mast want. And so, you know, it just shows how, I mean, he's kind of leveraging this argument about we should. send aid to we should help our own country rather than sending money overseas to fund foreign wars. He's taking that and like kind of flipping it to make it in the most absurd way possible to basically advance Israel's agenda, which is to defund UNRWA, you know, to just totally cut off Palestinians from any kind of the most basic amount of sustenance.

Starting point is 00:23:03 So, you know, but it's so obvious because, you know, he supports, of course, funding billions and billions to Israel and Ukraine. So, I mean, that guy's just, uh, he's, he's just, uh, you know, one of the worst humans on the planet. Yeah. He's hypocrite. I definitely agree. And what really just kind of unnerves me about the whole thing is, you know,

Starting point is 00:23:25 that we're, that obviously, of all the things we're discussing, clearly the people who are most in need in this conversation would be the people in Gaza. And they, and you, to be that the only one you want to pick out of it all. But what's even more interesting is that here's a salt, Saul, Rod pointing this out as of, yesterday seems like the story should be a bigger deal.

Starting point is 00:23:41 And this is from Reuters, food aid to Gaza falls as Israel sets new rules, ultimately continuing to decrease the amount. I think it's lower than 45 trucks a day now coming back from 500 a day before October 7th. They were still food insecure. And so think about it at a time when they're rolling it back more than ever. He's still going after that. I mean, it just shows you this kind of grotesque perversion of what we're really dealing

Starting point is 00:24:01 with. And so let's bring this to Gaza. You recently tweeted about this. And this overlaps with Elon Musk and the censorship on Twitter. feel free to comment on if you'd like. But Dr. Fidel Name posted a horrifying series of images around a school, or rather the Center for Orphans, that Israel had bombed in Gaza. While everyone's looking at Lebanon more so at this point,

Starting point is 00:24:21 getting away with even more. And you simply posted while Elon Musk and his legions of sycophans portray him as the savior of free speech, he straight up censors evidence of Israel's genocide in Gaza. So I think what we're seeing here is just this ongoing occupation, ongoing genocide ethnic cleansing destabilization of Gaza and people are paying attention. I mean, I guess let's put it,

Starting point is 00:24:41 the average conversation is largely shifted somewhere else. So can you give us some updates on what you see currently going on in Gaza? Do you see that going to be diminishing? You know, where do you see that at the moment? Because it seems like they kind of failed there and shifted away. How do you see it?

Starting point is 00:24:55 Yeah, man, I think for one thing, because of the war on now on Lebanon, the escalation there, the Israeli military is four. to, you know, shift some of its assets and its supply lines to the north. And so there is a decrease in overall Israeli military operations throughout the Gaza Strip, with largely the exception of the Philadelphia corridor, you know, which is in the south of Gaza along the border with Egypt, which the Israeli military claims and the government claim that this is Hamas's

Starting point is 00:25:32 oxygen. And so if they just occupy that area, then it will cut off Hamas and, uh, and, you know, will defeat them. But, you know, it's just a lie to, to maintain the war because the, you know, the, the resistance in Gaza is able to, um, has certainly, you know, at this point is not degraded at all. It's still operating. It really is an, as a national military. Um, there's a chain of command that's totally, uh, you know, operating in the same way it has been since October 7th. I mean, you know, if you want to see, you know, someone who discusses this in death is in, and pays attention to it very closely on a daily basis is John Elmer from the Electronic Intifada. I mean, I really enjoy his streams where he discusses and analyzes this stuff. But, you know, that's certainly, that's the reality in Gaza.

Starting point is 00:26:23 And so as Israel has shifted towards Lebanon and shifted its ground forces towards the national, north, it has just basically just continued bombing Gaza. It's just going to continue to basically, you know, thin out the population essentially as much as it can, just kill as many people from air where it has total dominance, where no Israeli soldiers are going to be killed. And that's, so that's what we saw when they bombed this orphanage. It's not only an, it's not just an orphanage, it's an orphanage that is been, that's now used as a shelter. So it's not only orphans in there, It's families who are, you know, trying to escape from the bombing, but of course, nowhere is safe. So, you know, these images came out a couple nights ago, and Fadl Naim, who's, you know, from Gaza, he's a doctor from Gaza.

Starting point is 00:27:15 He tweeted them and Elon Musk, you know, X censored them. So he reposted them. Apparently they're up until this point. So, you know, the point I'm making is just like how since Elon Musk bought Twitter, he is constantly heralded. as, you know, by people like, what's his name, Michael Schellenberger and, you know, these kind of suspicious personalities who just came to prominence in the last, really came to prominence in the last few years. Around Twitter files, right?

Starting point is 00:27:48 And the kind of thought that that was at the end of the day since we never really saw source material. Right, right. Exactly. Exactly. And, you know, how selective it was. And, you know, I'm not blaming the people who, you know, Taibi or whoever that got access to the Twitter files, but I mean, it was very obvious from the jump that it was a

Starting point is 00:28:09 limited hangout, that it was going to be, that it was about basically showing some dirty laundry in order to reestablish the credibility of X as the alternative media platform where, you know, Facebook and meta and Instagram and all these other ones are censoring. X is the place for free speech. So they want to funnel all of us into this one place. at least, you know, those who are like kind of skeptical and worried about free speech, whereas, you know, maybe your aunt and, you know, who doesn't think about that stuff is just happy on Facebook. But so, you know, whenever, you know, that stuff gets censored, I can think of so many important Palestinian and Lebanese and Iranian accounts that back in the earlier

Starting point is 00:28:54 days of Twitter, you know, six, seven, eight years ago, we're getting censored and we're just suspended and we never learned anything about how that happened. And it was, it's obvious, you know, the Israel lobby or, you know, the Israeli government was handing down, uh, orders to Twitter, um, the old Twitter regime. But none of those accounts were ever came, they were, you know, when so many accounts were unsusended that had been suspended during the COVID era, for example, those accounts were never unsuspended. And we never learned anything about that process of how they were suspended. suspended, why they were suspended, who ordered the suspension, who implemented it from the Twitter

Starting point is 00:29:34 files. And that basically remains the case. So it's like the new Twitter is even more of kind of a sci-op than the old one, which was just so much more blatant. And I think, you know, this is where we see it. And it's, I mean, and it's, and it's part, it's kind of very closely related to, um, the broader, you know, this kind of the, the, the Trump people who, who, you know, claim to be anti-war, but are totally, you know, voiced support for Israel from the very beginning of this genocide and spread all of the most heinous, you know, mass rape, hoax, propaganda and all this stuff and are totally silent as this is going on. I mean, I, you know, I live in D.C. And I went to the rescue the Republic rally over the weekend. I stopped by there for a couple

Starting point is 00:30:26 hours and, you know, I got a media pass and I tried to, you know, I waited in the media area to see if any of the kind of big hitters, RFK, Tulsi Gabbard, who, you know, any of them would come out, or Brett Weinstein, for example, who, you know, who denounced a ceasefire in Gaza in November of last year and also spread the mass rape hoax. You know, he, I try to. I, I try to. I, I, I try to, to talk to any of them, none of them would come out of their, to the media area, even though 99% of the media was totally just, you know, friendly and wanted to talk to them about whatever, they just steered clear of all media. So, and none of them have anything to say about, you know, this massive escalation in the Middle East that could turn into a, a, that's a regional war and could

Starting point is 00:31:16 turn into a world war and the U.S. is, and the Biden administration, you know, even if they want to blame it on Biden and play red, blue politics, they could do that. But they're in, They're in bed. I mean, earlier on, I think I kind of forgot to, you know, you sort of brought up and I forgot to talk about it. But, you know, maybe is there any difference, at least in terms of the Middle East conflagration with Kamala and Trump? And I mean, I think there is in the sense that, you know, it's totally clear now if it hasn't been all along that the Biden administration or, you know, the Biden ghost ship, their policy has just to say, has been to have no distance between them and Israel and just say the opposite of what's true.

Starting point is 00:32:05 You know, we're pressure, you know, I remember in November, and I tweeted about this the day in November, the, you know, there was a headline that Biden is getting, you know, saying that, you know, the public is running out of patience and you're going to have to have a ceasefire soon. You know, it's just been like lie after lie after lie. So now when I see, you know, Biden tells Netanyahu that he doesn't want to strike on Iran's, you know, nuclear reactors. That sounds like the U.S. and Israel are planning to strike Israel's, you know, nuclear reactors,

Starting point is 00:32:37 whatever, nuclear sites. So that's just been the lie all along, you know, AOC saying that, that Kamala's, you know, working tirelessly for a ceasefire. What were you going to say? I was going to say, and to your point before, remember that they, it already came out, that they were lying about that, to allow an Israel to, to let, to let, guard down so they could kill him or to use the United Nations of the ceasefire. So they're

Starting point is 00:32:57 using the lie to actually carry out illegal actions, like just to add your point. It's crazy. Exactly. This good cop, bad cop routine. And now everyone sees through it. And the Iranians and the Lebanese, you know, I think now, even if they were skeptical before, now it's like, okay, it's totally obvious.

Starting point is 00:33:13 It's undeniable. And so that's why Iran basically said, okay, so we have to attack. And they did. Whereas, you know, the Trump Trump is more unpredictable. He's like a walking contradiction. You know, he's, he's, he'll say he's, you know, he's said like, we're going to, you know, we're going to destroy Iran.

Starting point is 00:33:33 And he, you know, foams at the mouth and says this stuff. But then, you know, he'll say, I'm going to lift the sanctions on Russia. You know, and it's like, this is, this is not how the machine works, Donald, you know, like, you know, he's got Kushner, Jared Kushner, the ultra Zionist. you know, his ultra-zinist son-in-law, like basically picking out his appointments. So I think what's going to, what is more likely to happen if Trump were to win is he'll totally support the genocide. He'll probably, I think he might, you know, maybe he would give Israel something bigger, you know, symbolic, like allow them to annex the West Bank, something like that, officially annexed the West Bank. Miriam did pay him for it, so.

Starting point is 00:34:18 Right. Yeah, exactly. You know, $100 million from Muriel. Murielsen, who's late husband, Sheldon, said, you know, he wants to nuke Iran. So, you know, what does Tulsi Gabbard have to say about that? Isn't she supposedly anti-war? RFC, yeah, same thing. RFK, you know, any of these people who pretend to oppose neocons, and now they are, like, fully in support of the most the quintessential neocon issue. Which is funny now, they're pretending that the left has become the neocon, which doesn't

Starting point is 00:34:48 make sense. It hasn't made sense for a really long time, but it's just becoming clumsier and clumsier as You know, this drives forward. I mean, the point is we got like Cheney and others that are joining the left. It just, you know, I personally see it all is the same thing. But I think it just these are, I think there are desperate moves of trying to get people to perceive these things as, as you were just highlighting. But whether it's the rally or they want them to be perceived as the outsider, even though it's packed with eligarchs and technocrats, you know. Right.

Starting point is 00:35:11 And I wanted to add to about Twitter, ADL, the point is that, you know, despite all the changes, I agree with you that it is definitely more surreptitious than I think ever in very different ways. but they don't forget that even Yaccarino from the World Economic Forum and the rest, they're partner with ADL. They're actively still doing that in regard to Israel and censoring stuff. I mean, they've made that very clear. And then on top of that, to the rally, which I'm sure you saw, the only one to even bring Israel up was Jimmy Dorr. And if you watched the clip, it went over like a wet towel.

Starting point is 00:35:38 Like they were like, yay, like barely clapping. And he was even making a valid point, not even necessarily but Israel, but simply that free speech matters, right? So we should care that they were like barely clapping. And it just shows you that if they can't even get on board with that, you know, it's, and it's not even all, it's because of the narratives and it's coming from the rulership of it all. And so I agree with you. Um, you have a comment there. Otherwise, let's, let's bring it into. Yeah, yeah. No, I think I, I think you're right. I mean, the one other thing I would say about Trump is because Trump is such a contradiction, I almost wonder, you know, they know exactly what they're going to get with with Biden and Jake Sullivan and Blinken. Um, and, you know, Netanyahu will pretend to oppose them and, you know, oh, they're holding. up weapons delivery. So it's this whole charade where there's actually no distance at all. Or no holding up of shipments. There's like one point. Right. Right. Right. Um, I think I, I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. But I almost wonder with Trump is if it's like for the Israel lobby or for, you know,

Starting point is 00:36:39 they are like keep your enemies, you know, keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Because they're like, look, Trump, you know, he'll listen to Tucker Carlson sometimes. And Tucker Carlson told him not to go to war with Iran, and he didn't do it. So when, you know, after after the Pentagon, basically General Millie convinced Trump to assassinate General Soleimani and then Iran attacked the American airbase in Iraq, then it was basically like, okay, is the U.S. going to launch, you know, going to escalate even more? And yeah, John Bolton. Trump had John Bolton on one shoulder. and Tucker Carlson on the other. And he listened to Tucker Carlson.

Starting point is 00:37:22 And Tucker Carlson, even to this point, is saying, you know, this whole stupid story about Iran wanting to assassinate Trump that, you know, was obviously false from the start. But in the last couple of days, it was confirmed as false. And Tucker Carlson said, you know, no, you know, obviously this is, this is phony. So, you know, he's like, he has the devil on one shoulder and an angel on the other. And that's, you know, it's not to say I agree with everything Tucker Carlson says. There's many criticisms. But at least in that sense of like, are we going to launch a war on Iran that's going to destroy the all of our, you know, energy infrastructure and military assets in the region and collapse the global energy markets? and he decided not to because he has, you know, he's not from the D.C. cult.

Starting point is 00:38:16 So I guess I really wonder is Israel's real strategy to, again, to have, you know, your friends close, but your enemies closer because maybe they know that Trump is like, you know, less of a sure thing. It's interesting. Maybe I'm wrong. No, no, I definitely see the logic. It really comes down to the fact that none of us really know what they're thinking or feel or their intentions, right? We're basing on their actions. and that definitely logically could line up.

Starting point is 00:38:41 I would say that more so, like, first of all, I think you would agree, the assassination of Soleimani itself could have easily spun out into a war right off the bat. And so, like, the argument that, like the point is right there when they try to claim he didn't start new wars, like, so the Venezuela coup attempt

Starting point is 00:38:55 could have done the same thing, right? So it's easy to speed these things, just because they didn't, doesn't mean that that couldn't have been the same outcome. But what I think is interesting is that he just let out recently more than once, and it's the same thing Israel does, that because now it works for Trump to say, well, no, Iran's reached out and let us know, even if it was a lie now or, you know, who knows where the lie plays in? Because back then,

Starting point is 00:39:17 remember, the point was, we defeated them. They're weak. They didn't get a good hit in. That's why nobody was killed. Well, now twice in different interviews, Trump is saying, no, Iran let me know. They said, we're going to bomb outside. That's why I was the, he's trying to frame himself as the, at the other side of it now, which is the same thing Israel's doing, right? Iran let them know. And we'll touch on a second, but then ultimately still tries to make it sound like they're so weak, they couldn't even get a shot through, you know, which even wasn't the case. So to me, it's sort of the false, diopoly or the paradigm, the idea that Tucker and, you know, to me, I think that's a false paradigm, right? That ultimately I think that it's about either, as opposed

Starting point is 00:39:52 to just not having foreign wars or foreign invasions, it's about we destroy them or we carry on the psychological war, right? That's the two things that are being decided against. But I do agree with you. And I hope you're right. I hope that Trump, I would agree, is the wild card. I think his hubris can guide him to say things that are bombastic and clumsy, like coming out and saying things like Israel used to control Congress and rightfully so. He just said that in interview. And I don't think he should have said that. They're probably like, damn it, Trump, you're saying too much, right? But I think that's what I would read that. And so at the end of the day, how this goes forward, I would hope that's correct, but I think either one represents the

Starting point is 00:40:25 continuation of the same problem, right? Would you agree with that? Yeah, definitely. I think the thing is with Trump is he has the possibility. ability to you know he'll like the democrats are going to just try and maintain the charade as long as possible which is what they've done to this point um and now that's basically running out and so if trump comes in you know he'll say oh i'm i'm going to end this thing by just giving israel everything they want you know so i'm not going to talk about this phony two state solution like the democrats i'm going to you know we're going to have you know israel from the river to the sea or whatever and annex the west bank and and the israeli public and the

Starting point is 00:41:03 Israeli right wing is going to love it. And, um, and, you know, it's going to be a big feather in Netanyahu's cap for like 15 minutes until, you know, the whole thing falls apart. Um, so I think Trump could be the figure that basically, you know, gives Israel. It's kind of like last shot of whiskey before it like collapses on the floor. There, you know, it's that, it's that, that possibility. I don't know. Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, that makes perfect sense. I mean, in a way, like you said, that could even be more calculated to be, to me see that change. But, you know, I, I think that the problem is that either one of them support the end game of Israel, or at least are, for whatever reason, incapacitated or influenced enough to allow it. And it really does worry me. But again,

Starting point is 00:41:48 I think we should all be hoping that the outcome, you know, like, it's weird how people in the paradigm will almost want the country to fail because they don't like Trump, as opposed to just hoping that he is the person they want him to be. You know, it's like, we should all. be hoping that they all actively are the ones that their people think that they are. I just personally don't think that's the case. And going into Lebanon here, I think it's the same dynamic, you know? I mean, maybe you could wrap your mind around out there listening that they just didn't see what's going on in Gaza, which I just frankly don't think is possible. But now this has shifted to Lebanon, right? And again, as Robert's written about, I mean, and by the way, same point,

Starting point is 00:42:22 it didn't begin on October 7th. This has been going on a long time. It's an occupied territory as well, as you know well. But now they've shifted the narrative. the genocide is now expanded into now they're just carpet bombing Lebanon and bombing civilian locations. And they wrote here, Israel caught massacring Lebanese civilians that are the same false claim of tunnels and other homes. And so just talk about that shift in there, what that does to this dynamic now. Because I mean, obviously this is, and my point where I was starting with there is that how in the world you could pretend like this is not what I just said. And then how they could continue to ignore this. This is not Gaza.

Starting point is 00:42:54 This is not the conversation of hostages and held and, you know, and what happened on October 7? this is a local a civilian location where there's lots of people filming this where you'll be able to prove the claims after the case i just don't see how they see this going forward unless the u.s either side of it are involved with taking the territory entirely that's kind of what i see coming from this so what are your thoughts before i go further yeah i mean i think you know in israel it's interesting because the ongoing war on gaza is uh there's you know division in israeli society because of the captives, the prisoners of war there in Gaza. And so people that normally would totally support just bombing Gaza to smithereens are basically, there's, you know, say roughly half the country who is basically like, no, no, no, we need a ceasefire, you know, just for a day to get all those captives out.

Starting point is 00:43:50 And then we go back to bombing them. But they want a ceasefire. They don't understand that once there's a ceasefire that's, you know, Israel has lost. And that's what the right wing gets is like, no, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. So where there's division in this in Israeli society over Gaza, with with Lebanon, it's basically everyone in Israel supports this war because, you know, they see, you know, Hezbollah's presented this threat for so long. And, you know, why does Hezbollah exist? Well, you know, from the Israeli occupation in the in the 1980s that went up until 2000 and then you know Israel invaded again in

Starting point is 00:44:29 2006 so right and you know not only because of the Israeli occupation that's why it was born but of course it played a major role in preventing the collapse of Syria and fighting you know Takfiri militias CIA warlords there that threatened that you know would have not only collapsed Syria but would have collapsed Lebanon too and would have been you know genocide against all you know religious minorities, et cetera, et cetera, or ethnic minorities. So in Israeli society, everyone supports this war. It's, it's pretty amazing. Would you say they support the civilian deaths? Is it? I would agree. What do you think on that? Oh, yeah, they totally supported. I mean, they see it as like, you know, this is our, we took out, you know, everyone's focused on,

Starting point is 00:45:16 they took out Nasrallah. And they, when they dropped, there's, there's one Israeli, Israeli, report in Israel's Channel 12 that said 83 munitions, which are basically one ton or 2,000 pound bombs, 83 of those. And then there's another report in the Jerusalem Post where a senior Israeli Air Force official said they dropped about 100. So that's, I mean, that is just unprecedented in like modern history. That amount of explosives dropped on one place. It's, you know, they hadn't done anything like that before. They haven't done anything like that in Gaza. So the amount of destruction that Israel is carrying out in Beirut, particularly in the Dahlia neighborhood where Hezbollah has a, its base of support, is just an incredible

Starting point is 00:46:14 crime, a war crime, crime against humanity, and the amount of civilians that they've just been slaughtering is is is just shocking um and you know and also throughout villages in southern Lebanon uh you know again through this whole just moronic propaganda campaign that you know the missiles are in people's kitchens you know these like 30 foot missiles are in these are in these kitchens and that's where they're going to launch them from so that's why we have to destroy these houses so um so i mean you know in it in israel there's total consensus for it in the u.s i mean you know keep in mind, the U.S. has very much wanted to destroy Hezbollah for a long time, going back to the, what was it, the 1983, Hezbollah bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut. I mean, the Pentagon, you know, the generals have, you know, part of my language, they have a hard on for just, you know, destroying Hezbollah, which is, you know, blowing up Lebanon and just making Lebanon suffer. So it's not as if it's like only an Israeli thing that they want to take them out.

Starting point is 00:47:24 But at the same time, I think the Pentagon, you know, of course knows that fighting, starting a war in Lebanon can easily escalate. And so they've been basically, I think the calculus has been, let's do this good cop, bad cop thing where we'll publicly say, well, we don't know if we're going to be able to, it's going to be really hard to help you, Israel. And then just like, and lul Hezbollah and Iran. asleep and then when they're you know when they're not expecting it launched this major strike and that will like decapitate them and degrade hasbollah now you know so they killed like the entire

Starting point is 00:48:01 senior leadership of hasbollah um you know not only nassarla but it's something like the top 17 guys but what they don't understand is that yes that was a shocking day but it doesn't fundamentally uh degrade um hasbala's military capabilities uh it's it's a very very horizontal, it's very horizontal in its structure. And, you know, Nasrallah has been the leader of has, the secretary general of Hezbollah for most of its existence going back to the early 90s when they when they killed the founder, when Israel killed the founder of Hezbollah and Nathrella replaced him. So, you know, since he was kind of a young man, he's been the secretary general and he is very much in the, you know, he's like a father figure for a lot of, you know, Lebanese, not only,

Starting point is 00:48:54 you know, Shia, but Lebanese, you know, patriots in general. And so for Israel to just assassinate him in this way, too, in such a cowardly act of mass destruction, the shock is going to wear off real quick. And, you know, that kind of, the ice has been broken. And now, Every single Hezbollah is, like, just waiting for their opportunity. And we saw when Israel tried to invade, they got eight soldiers smoked in a second of, you know, supposedly like they're special operations guys. And then just turned around and murdered a bunch of people in Gaza, right? Essentially, as a retaliation.

Starting point is 00:49:38 Exactly. Briefly, is there any indication you see that the claim that they killed that many Hezbo members might just be a ploy? Now, I don't have any real reason to think that, but I just thought it was interesting that there might be a lot. Actually, I do. The original point was there was a report both from Iranian media, but then actual journals on the ground that were claiming Nisraela hadn't been killed. But then it quickly turned out that they claimed he was. But any thoughts on if that might be some kind of a ploy for something future act? I mean, I doubt it.

Starting point is 00:50:06 I don't think that Hezbollah would try to pull some trickery about, you know, some kind of slyop about their leadership being, being, being killed. And there was, you know, a piece that came out about the guy who found Nassarala and he was still alive and he basically put his oxygen mask on, I mean, that's why. On Nassarala in order to save him and he sacrificed himself and Nassarla ended up dying too. So I haven't seen any indication. What I have seen in the last 24 hours is the Israelis are reporting that they've killed, you know, like 300 or 600 or something, has Bala members in the last week, which, like, I think is, you know, I mean, you know, I don't think, I haven't seen any evidence of that, you know, anything to substantiate that. What's that?

Starting point is 00:50:54 Well, they tend to, I mean, like, really in any war situation, as you know, both sides tend to kind of either decrease or overshoot the number to, you know, usually someone in the middle. Let me ask you this. So, yeah. What is Esbalah? Is there more to just a military aspect of it? And are they terrorists? Well, it's a, it's a political party. Um, certainly. their origin is as a resistance, a military resistance to the Israeli occupation. But, you know, I mean, I'm not, I don't want to say that I'm an expert on this subject, but from what, you know, everything I've read, everything I understand about Hezbollah and kind of what I see is that where, you know, Lebanon has basically been in many ways a kind of aid state for decades.

Starting point is 00:51:43 Um, Hezbollah has filled that gap in a lot of ways, at least, uh, in the south of Lebanon and, and has become, um, you know, one of the most important, um, political forces in Lebanon. Um, and certainly the most, um, militarily capable and defended Lebanon's sovereignty. So it's not, uh, so, I mean, uh, you know, when people say it's a terrorist group, I mean, I mean, you know, And, you know, what terrorism does it carry out? I mean, it was killing literal terrorists in Syria, you know, who were totally dedicated to collapsing the government and imposing some kind of Wahhabi style, you know, ISIS caliphate and exterminating minorities. And, you know, so, and in terms and I mean, in terms of what it does to, I mean, what has it done since October 7th, for example, to Israel? It is specifically, I don't know about 100%, but almost exclusively hit military targets in order to degrade Israel's military capabilities in solidarity with Gaza, which has been suffering, of course, genocide. So, I mean, only the Israeli and U.S. governments and maybe the mainstream media would say it's a terrorist organization, but it's, you know, I don't think by any stretch of the imagination. Well, here's a good point to add to that.

Starting point is 00:53:13 And so my thought, the point is that people don't, I discussed this recently, that there's more than just a military wing for people to understand that. There's other aspects of it. So when they just bomb anything Hezbov, I mean, there's any warfare that's about military active, you know, entities. But then on top of that, the idea being that if you're going to, like just a blanket statement, if you're going to pretend that this group is a terrorist organization, let's pretend that everything they've ever claimed about them is true,

Starting point is 00:53:39 by that same metric than the U.S. government, the Israeli government, would be the biggest terror organization in the world using that same metric even if the claims they say are true what the u.s. military has done around the world is exponentially documentably worth so i find that really interesting that it's that an equal point but another good point to add to that and i'm sure you saw this it's even c and end just reported this and it was even brought up in front of matt miller which he just kind of shrugged it off like usual but that apparently they entered into a 21-day ceasefire with hesbola and then they used that cover to attack and kill people right and so just shows you that whether you think there are people out there can decide for themselves what you

Starting point is 00:54:15 think a terrorist is and whether that applies to them. But I would argue apply your logic equally. And the point being, if they're the ones agreeing to these deals and they're the ones acting underneath it, I mean, or even with Iran, as we pointed out, which could talk about being the warning them, clearly trying to de-escalate, give them an opportunity to step back. Like I said in my tweet, that's the adult in the room. Whatever you think about them. That's not good or bad guy. That's just showing you who seems to truly want this to be pulled back from the precipice. And I find that to be just incredible and obvious. But I wanted to ask your point about the occupation of this. And so this is, I'm going to play this clip really quickly.

Starting point is 00:54:45 It's the first time I've seen this being stated so explicitly. But I think you might have seen, well, actually first, this is, uh, Hadi posted this. And you might have seen this. There's now the official settler movement is now posting flyers about occupying Lebanon. They have graphs now showing the different names of the locations in, in southern Lebanon where they're going to be occupying. I mean, it's all very real, right? So it's obvious. That's a part of the conversation. And then I saw this clip today. And I'll just play this really quickly. This is somebody, it's the old sign on the Caroline Glick Show. And she's simply saying that Lebanon is not a real country.

Starting point is 00:55:18 Just like we heard about Gaza. Some of your thoughts on this. Let's talk about Lebanon because there's no such state as Lebanon. It is a forward operating base of the Revolutionary Guard Corps that has four million people living on it, who call themselves Lebanese and pretend that they live in a country. They don't live in a country. They live on a forward operating base of the Revolutionary Guard Corps against Israel. All right.

Starting point is 00:55:39 That's the gist of it. he gives his opinion on it. And so I just think that's really fascinating that we're at a point now where we're just not only the human shields, tunnels under every home, jets in their living room, they just kind of going, well, they don't even exist now. Can we go with that? What are your thoughts on that? Yeah. Okay. So I actually was in Israel recently working, filming for this documentary, and I interviewed the family, the parents of a soldier who was killed in. Gaza, who they are part of that movement to settle, to conquer and settle southern Lebanon. I haven't talked about this publicly.

Starting point is 00:56:21 So I've been kind of keeping it under wraps, but I think, you know, here it's fine to talk about it. I don't think it's going to reach their ears and kind of blow my cover, at least I hope not. But that movement is a, you know, it's, they founded it several months ago, early on. in the war. And their whole idea is, yes, to ethnically cleanse southern Lebanon, build settlements there and install a collaborator regime. Like a, you know, there was the South Lebanese army during the Israeli occupation, which was basically a collaborator regime of the Israelis that had the, they had like, you know, prisons they ran and these kinds of things to torture,

Starting point is 00:57:08 you know, anyone suspected to be affiliated with resistance, whatever. So they want to reimpose this kind of thing and not only to to conquer, but build settlements. And so, yeah, you know, I think other people have shown these images of like fancy condos and, you know, we're going to sell them in southern Lebanon, the same way that they that they talked about in Gaza. And so, you know, southern Lebanon is so like, okay, in Judaism, there is the biblical land of Israel, which is, you know, Palestine, southern Lebanon, and it is considered, it is holy land for Jews. It is, you know, regardless of who controls it, whether it's, you know, the Ottomans or the French or, you know, the French mandate or whatever, or the Israelis or the Lebanese. It is, it's, it is considered holy land. That doesn't imply any claim to sovereignty or

Starting point is 00:58:05 anything like that. It's just land that's, you know, considered as it is for Muslims and Christians as well, right? Yeah. Okay. Right. This is the Holy Land. Exactly. So Zionists from basically the beginning have, you know, I mean, the whole concept of Zionism was to nationalize the religion. So to empty it of all theological meaning, all religious meaning, and to turn it into and to fill it in with, you know, 19th century European nationalism and to transform. Jews into a nationality from a religion to abandon everything about God and all

Starting point is 00:58:41 this stuff and just be basically fascist nationalists. And David Ben-Gurion and Hein Weizmann to the early Zionist leaders, Ben-Gurion, of course, who became the first prime minister of Israel, they in

Starting point is 00:58:56 the 1910s, I'd have to look exactly what year, they wanted to include southern Lebanon as part of their proposed state. That didn't happen because of Sykes-Picot. So they didn't end up getting it, but they wanted it. And they saw the Latani River as a natural border, you know, which runs basically

Starting point is 00:59:21 east-west. And to this day, there is a faction or a kind of ideological stream in Zionism that they've always coveted this. and that kind of is bursting forth now. So this movement that began not long, was officially established, not long after the Gaza War started the genocide on Gaza, has, it was so much, it was just on the back burner. It was kind of marginal because the Lebanon War wasn't, you know,

Starting point is 00:59:55 at the front and center. But what's happened is you have a huge amount of Israelis who are displaced from northern Israel from the Galilee and are living in, you know, hotels funded by the government and around Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and are just living in terrible conditions and they want to go home. And many of them are very right wing. And they demand that the Israeli government destroy Hezbollah.

Starting point is 01:00:22 Okay? So they are, you know, for their own security reasons, they embrace this too. And they say the logic that they, tend to present is we can't live in northern Israel. We can't return to our settlements in northern Israel unless there is a buffer zone inside Lebanon. So we have to clear basically southern Lebanon. Now, you're basically done like 90% at that point of what the settlers, you know, the settlers who want to, you know, who think this is their ancestors land and we have to conquer it and build settlements. And this is not,

Starting point is 01:00:57 you know, this isn't about security. It, you know, security is secondary. This is, I mean, mean, for them it's the same, but first and foremost, it's because this is land that was literally, you know, given to us by God. So that is now becoming a much more, or the British government, but go ahead. Right, right, or the British government, you know, whatever. Same thing. So now this, this, you know, what began is kind of this marginal stream, uh, around, you know, maybe December, January, January, 2004, has suddenly become a kind of, you know, a flood or a major, there's a huge amount of support for it in Israeli society, especially as, you know, the entire country supports going to war against Lebanon. So, so, you know, maybe half or most Israelis see it as like a security thing, but it just becomes synonymous for, you know, this is like,

Starting point is 01:01:57 God's conquer, we're conquering this land for God because God gave it to us. So, you know, but it's, I'm actually finishing a piece on this right now. I'm going to publish hopefully, you know, in the next, over the weekend or, or I don't know, as soon as I can. But it's, you know, I basically show how this, this broad support is, is, is, has come to be how this kind of, how this has developed. and man i forgot i forgot exactly what i was going to say but um you know basically you see yeah you see how this movement has has unfolded oh one of the one of the things that this there's this one of the parts you'll see in the piece is there's this group of reservists who are ultra hawkish and they basically lay out a plan what's here's where it's really interesting actually they lay out a plan

Starting point is 01:02:51 for what they say is you know the swift basically a swift a very fast victory in Lebanon. And I think this is a totally delusional plan, but it just goes to show how poor their understanding of reality is and how detached they are. Basically, what they say is, they correctly understand that Israel is now in a multi-front war that threatens its existence. And if they get into a prolonged war in Lebanon, that can be the end of the state of Israel. So what they say is we need to Instead of like, okay, let's take a step back from the brink And let's negotiate a ceasefire and go lick our wounds for a year

Starting point is 01:03:32 And then think about, you know, what we're going to do They say no, we need to go to the next level We need to have a very fast victory in Lebanon Which, you know, and they say like they lay out a series of steps like for kind of four parts And one of them, you know, I think the second one is we're going to we're going to bypass the Hezbollah fighters

Starting point is 01:03:59 on the ground in the border. You know, how are they going to, how do you just bypass that? Like, we'll just skip over that part. It's like, I'm going to do this test and I'm just going to skip over part B because I didn't study that. You know, I don't have any.

Starting point is 01:04:12 If I can comment, this is just so funny to me because one thing I keep highlighting about just the way that they present themselves, whether it's the Knesset or leadership and rulership, I get the sense, these are people that didn't earn the power that they have, right? It's like this kind of childish way. And what you're highlighting there is it's

Starting point is 01:04:26 like, step one, win the war. You know, it's like what you're writing. I don't think, I mean, it could just be like a propaganda element, but I think it's more about the fact that they don't really grasp the true seriousness of the situation. I mean, that's my personal opinion, but I just had a comment. I think that's crazy. No, I think it's, you're right. You know, they have, you know, their products of their own. It's like they're getting high on their own supply, you know? They're like, they're you know they're not they don't understand reality that's going you know what's going on around them they don't understand the natives to the region um you know so they think that like we're just going to beat them so hard that they're going to decide to stop resisting they're just going to bow their heads to us and you know we're going to go back to what it was you know in 1967 or whatever it is but the you know the rules the situation the equation has completely changed and that formula does not work anymore. So the more that they try to, you know, just fight and fight and fight and fight and

Starting point is 01:05:29 and we're just going to hit harder, the faster they're going to lose. I mean, there's nothing, you know, I think probably, you know, for those like Hezbollah resistance fighters, there's nothing they want more than the Israelis to try and invade. That's their strength. That's what they've been preparing for for years and years and years. So, you know, they're like, yes, please come in. We are going to smoke you guys. and that's, you know, the trap that Israel is walking into, and it cannot only bomb, you know,

Starting point is 01:05:58 but this, this document that this group released, this reservist group, they say the destruction of Dahlia, you know, they want to destroy the Dahlia district of Beirut, and that's, you know, what Israel is doing. But even if you do that, that doesn't change the question of southern Lebanon, which is what they want to occupy and ethnically cleanse and colonize. which requires a ground invasion. And so no matter how many, you know, babies and kids and moms and dads, they kill in Beirut itself, at some point, their logic is going to make them really try to enter southern Lebanon. And when they tried it the other day, it just immediately went terribly for them. And, you know, that's one of the, that's like they're an incredibly sophisticated and capable fighting force that Israel's just not ready for. And Israel, you know, last thing is they've been, you know, Israel's been in a protracted war in Gaza.

Starting point is 01:06:58 They can't even beat, you know, Hamas, which is, has less experienced than Hezbollah and is under siege. So certainly, and that war is still ongoing. They're still, you know, losing soldiers. They're expending resources. Their economy is, is, you know, just hemorrhaging. It's, you know, they've been downgraded by the major. You know, American credit rating agencies by Moody's and by S&P.

Starting point is 01:07:29 So, I mean, you know, these little victories that Israel thinks it's getting by, like, taking out, you know, blocks in Beirut and, like, bombing orphanages in Gaza, it's just all an illusion for them. Not only are, you know, just killing people, but there's nothing. it doesn't actually gain them anything. It just weakens them. Exactly. And I mean, look, one of the most common characteristics I've seen in history from supremacist

Starting point is 01:07:59 mindsets is that they don't recognize that they're weak or, or rather overestimate their own power and influence. And we're exactly seeing that. I mean, I would even say from the government, maybe say for the indication of Netanyahu's shaking hands while he's reading that piece of paper, but the sense is something is to point that out. But I think ultimately, you know, just like any historical thing, fascism, whatever, we we can see that kind of same decline where it's that, you know, death throws to the very end,

Starting point is 01:08:26 kind of dying animal in the corner kind of a scenario. And I will point out that, oh, back to this one, actually, that what Douglas Greger pointed out, which just because he says it doesn't make it true, but White House now pushing for regime change in Lebanon, officials say they want to take advantage of their attacks on Hezbo, on Hezbo leadership. And I have seen the, you know, the Lindsey Grams of the world who are belligerent to their own right, basically saying that. But the fact that he's claiming is coming from the White House, I do sense that this is going to shift into some other justifying more regime change occupation. And what you just said

Starting point is 01:08:55 very clearly outlines why that makes sense. Now, I'd like to finish today with the conversation of Zionism, which I definitely think is a linchpin to a lot of the stuff we're talking about. And so we don't want to start with this point here, but just in general, I want to get into, you know, from your perspective, right, as a Jewish person yourself and what you've talked about in the past, the two sides of it, the aggressive misrepresentation of Jews in this conversation around how Jews run the world or, you know, in my opinion, very clearly is a Zionist ploy in and of itself. And on the other side of it, the complete disregard for what Zionism truly is when basically people saying it's racist to point out what this political organization is doing.

Starting point is 01:09:34 So kind of go at that however you'd like. I just want your thoughts in the audience to hear how you view this. You know, what is Zionism? Why is this important to what we just discussed today? Yeah. I mean, I think I think it's actually extremely relevant. and you really can't understand what Israel is if you don't understand, you know, you can judge it by its actions and you can look at patterns, but you have to understand its ideology in order to understand, you know, where it's going, what it really is. You have to understand what motivates its actions. And it is not a, it is not, you know, obviously Israel is not. a normal country. And that's not because it's ultra aggressive or has so many weapons. These are, you know, it's, or because it bombs babies and, you know, even, those are symptoms, the occupation,

Starting point is 01:10:29 the genocide. These are symptoms of the real, the real fundamental issue, which is Zionism. It's its ideology. And I think, you know, one of the sort of, I think we're, seeing a number of kind of siops. I think basically more and more people are, you know, when you when you basically have the, what Zionists believe or what Zionists claim that Zionism is Jewish self-determination or is, you know, Israel's the state of the Jews, Israel is a Jewish state. Then as people and, you know, in the U.S., basically, it looks like everything that the U.S. government does and Europe does is for Israel, aka the Jews. Then some people will say, yeah, yeah, yeah, we have to support them because look at what happened to them. You know,

Starting point is 01:11:29 look at the Holocaust, look at all the historic persecution. They're our closest ally. You know, this is what we hear all the time from both political parties and, you know, they're surrounded by terrorists and all these things. But people more and more then begin to understand And wait a minute, what are we actually getting? How does America benefit from this? From, you know, basically helping, quote unquote, the Jews by doing this stuff for the Jews. The Jews, if we accept the Zionist definition that Israel is the Jews, well, then they're actually sabotaging us. They're getting us into more and more wars that we don't benefit from at all that actually endanger us. We're sending more and more money overseas. know, we're not helping the people here in our country. And look, so look what the Jews are doing. This is like Jewish influence. That is what, that's kind of the, I think, the other side of the sciop.

Starting point is 01:12:26 So as long as, so basically, like on X, since Elon took over, I mean, really since the Gaza war started, there is a huge, huge, huge amount of accounts. And I, you know, I kind of bookmarked some of these tweets. that are, you know, openly anti-Semitic, that just, you know, the Jews, the Jews, the Jews, all the time. And they're capitalizing off of what Israel is doing and the Zionist conflation of Jews and it's, you know, and Israel or and Zionism. And the thing is, this actually serves Zionism because it, it maintains the basic Zion, it reinforces the basic. Zionist definition that Israel and Jews are synonymous. So, you know, Elon Musk early on when he took over, he said our policy is going, he said,

Starting point is 01:13:27 we're not going to, you know, overtly censor unless, you know, there's calls for violence. What we're going to do, what did he say? It's freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach. Right. So if, if, you know, Elon Musk, who is, works with the American, the anti-deaf defamation league, the Israel lobby outfit, to, uh, it works with,

Starting point is 01:13:50 works with ADL and is close with Benjamin Netanyahu and as a Zionist himself. If he didn't want or, you know, whatever, the real powers that control X, um, did not want that to be out there. That stuff would be, um, shadow band or silenced or, you know,

Starting point is 01:14:08 you, you, you would not be able to see. I mean, it's just viral and these huge, there's, there's a number of very big shady influencers who, you know, promote this stuff all the time constantly. And I really think this is actually, well, objectively, it serves Zionism because it, it, you know, it reinforces this paradigm that Jews equal, equal the state of Israel. Can I say one thing real quickly? Just to add to the point being that what he's trying, what he outlined right there is really

Starting point is 01:14:40 important. that Twitter clearly has been censoring people saying from the river to the sea, right, or free Palestine. We have examples of that, but yet then allow overtly, you know, Jews do this and they're controlling that. And so his point is that there's no way you can pretend that that's not an allowance kind of situation. And not only does it allow, you know, continue the conflation as you're outlining,

Starting point is 01:15:00 it's what Zionism wants that perception to be. So it uses it, it justifies its existence through that illusion. So go ahead. I just want to make sure that was precisely, precisely that. And so it's, you know, Zionists don't care if you like them. They actually want you to hate them. Right. But only in the correct, in a certain way. They want you to think that they are Jews or they're acting out of Judaism or, you know, they're following the Talmud or something like that. Because then that's where they derive their legitimacy from. Then they can say, well, you're an anti-Semite. You know, you just hate Jews. The Holocaust happened because of people like you.

Starting point is 01:15:43 And, you know, there's a long history of that. And this is, you know, this persecution of us. When in fact, the, so, so, so, you know, that, so that serves their agenda for you, they feed on hate. These, you know, the Luke, I mean, I'll just name name. The Lucas Gages, the, the, what's, what's the, the Twink guy, the Nick, the, Nick Fuentes of the world. these guys that are, you know, and Nick Fuentes, he started in the Mossade operation daily wire, you know, that's very shady. Like, how did these guys, you know, what's his name, Lucas Gage, he got banned temporarily. He got suspended for like a month. I've never seen

Starting point is 01:16:27 someone get suspended for a month. I've always seen if you get suspended, you get suspended. did. So to me, if you ever seen the departed, you've seen the movie The Departed where Leonardo DiCaprio gets put in jail, he's a cop, and he's trying to infiltrate the mob, and he gets the cops, you know, he goes to jail for a period of time in order to give himself credibility, and then he comes out, you know, this is to me what I think is happening with people like Lucas Gage, who say all this crazy stuff, you know, who, who like burn the Torah or whatever he was doing or burn the Talmud and then say free Palestine or talks about, you know, we have to slay them. And then he gets suspended briefly and then he's back.

Starting point is 01:17:07 And so it actually, it makes him look like he's censored when in fact he's not. And it may be that, you know, Lucas Gage really believes that stuff. And he's not working for the Israel lobby, but he objectively is because the dominant paradigm, the hegemon is not white nationalism, is not neo-Nazism. It is Zionism. So it's not like, you know, the Zionists are serving him. He is serving the Zionists. He is an asset of Zionism, no matter how much, you know, he's, the more he says, you know, Jews, bad, free Palestine, the more he serves Zionism.

Starting point is 01:17:42 I'm glad you said that because I see the same things. And I don't, I think the Nick Fuentes of the world are a much more obvious standout red flag. But like, I have the similar thought. Like, let me just ask it in general sense, whether Lucas Gage or anybody else. To what degree do you think that that is the case, that there are, people that maybe see what they're doing as good intentions. Maybe they genuinely think it, but I would agree with you regardless, are being played by Zionism. What percentage your opinion, but what would you, what do you think? What, how much of the conversation that is? I mean, I think

Starting point is 01:18:12 probably, you know, I think with sciops generally speaking, there are a few key influencers that are, you know, knowingly doing it, are wittingly doing it, are actual, you know, agents. And then, you know, they cultivate a following that is unwitting. So, you know, again, I don't have any proof that Lucas Gage is a spook or anything like that. I'm not saying that. But objectively, he is 100% serving Zionism. You know, he is an agent of Zionism 100%. And he's working to, you know, and he says, you know, all these terrible things about Jews.

Starting point is 01:18:48 And, you know, I got to get Jews out of my life. And then free Palestine, what he's trying to do is sully the free Palestine, you know, movement or the ideas. as anti-Semitic. So then it's like he's like a walking ADL report. You know, it's like he's doing the ADL's work for it. They don't even have to, you know, go into a bathroom stall where somebody scrawled free Palestine and say that.

Starting point is 01:19:08 They're like, look, we got Lucas Gage. We don't need to waste our time with that, you know? So I see, you know, there's there's a lot of that. And I think it's a total, a total sciop. And I mean, you know, if the irony of it all is that if you actually take the time to look at what Zionism is, it is the complete opposite of Judaism, of Right. The antithesis almost.

Starting point is 01:19:39 Like the complete 100% the antithesis of Judaism. There is no greater violation of the Talmud, in fact, than Zionism. If you look back historically, the whole logic of Zionism was to imagine. emancipate to reject, to rebel from Orthodox Judaism as it had existed for thousands of years. It was, let's get, you know, this is antiquated, all this theological stuff. We don't want to be religious, you know, pious religious people who live separately. And, you know, they said they embraced, the Zionists embraced all of the anti-Semitic stereotypes in Europe at the time about Jews that, oh, they're, they're filth. and disgusting and they get attacked because look at them and you know you can read um

Starting point is 01:20:31 theodore herzell the you know founder of political Zionism had a um uh like a pamphlet or a book called mauschel which like is widely regarded as a totally anti-Semitic text um and all of the Zionist leaders at that you know in the main Zionist leaders were total anti-Semites they hated Jews for what they were and they blamed them for the conditions that Jews had been in. So what they said is, look, the way that we are going to defeat anti-Semitism is not by changing anti-Semitism. What we are going to do is change ourselves from a pious religious people of, you know, the book,

Starting point is 01:21:15 of God's book, and become nationalists. We're going to empty Judaism of everything theological and holy and sacred that it has been all along, we're going to completely change it and fill it with nationalism. And that was the milieu in Europe at the time, of course, around the 19th century. I mean, after the French Revolution and then the American Revolution, the Spring of Nations, that all inspired Zionists in a big way. And so they created this fake definition of Judaism. Now, that definition of Jews as a national movement, they needed a

Starting point is 01:21:55 you know, if you're, if you're basically inventing a national movement, you need a mythology. You know, it's a, oh, we are an ancient people and all these things. So they just took the Bible and started, they basically started partway through the Bible when Joshua conquers Canaan and saw themselves as conquerors and said, that's us. We are them. We are, you know, we are, you know, in the new. incarnation of these biblical figures and we are going to basically, you know, relive this mythical era. And it's not, it's not like real in the sense of, you know, God or any of the stuff that Jews actually, that the Jewish religion believes, but, you know, it's our national

Starting point is 01:22:45 mythology. So, you know, we're going to, you know, David Ben-Gurion, for example, he called, in 1948 he called the establishment of the state of Israel the third temple the third kingdom he spoke in totally messianic ways and so basically but only but he didn't really you know believe in god is the irony so what they did is they put Zionism on this track um of of basically using this kind of like messianic language um and taking from the Bible, but rejecting all of the supernatural aspects of it and just making it it until regular old nationalism. So they set this on the path that eventually it would reach a point where, you know, to strengthen that point even more, there's a really fascinating

Starting point is 01:23:44 book by an Israeli-American professor named Shai Haskani that I recently came across called Dear Palestine and its letters from the 1948, you know, 1947, 1948 war, the ethnic cleansing of Palestine, the establishment of the state of Israel. And he looks at, he got his hands on letters from, you know, people who participated in different ways. And one of the things that he finds is that the chief education or, you know, propaganda minister of, I think, the Israeli Army's Golani brigade. I can't remember if it was Golani or Givati, but the chief guy was spreading, was distributing materials, propaganda at that time among these, you know, new Israeli soldiers, some of them who had come from, you know, the death camps in Europe and were now, okay, you're going to fight,

Starting point is 01:24:36 you're going to, they needed to instill a fighting spirit in these soldiers. And so they started telling them that, you know, these people are Amalek. They started saying, it's okay to rape. You know, you have to kill, you can rape, you can do all these things. And it's the same thing that's being said today. So where a lot of people, and this is partially true, say that Israel has become so much more right wing. It's like the extreme religious right wing that has taken over. Yes, that is true. However, that was always there. Zionism always relied on this, you know, talk about Amalek, going back at least to, you know, that's the first instance of it in the, in the Israeli army, you know, where they're openly using, you know, genocidal language in order to

Starting point is 01:25:24 motivate the soldiers. Now, they don't really, you know, have as much of that problem today. But basically what it did is it's so this whole logic of Zionism taking Judaism and nationalizing it, completely changing it into a national movement and using the Bible as a mythology, it set Zionism on this track of, well, fundamentally Judaism is a religion. And so there was a small strain of Zionists led by a guy named Rabbi Kuk around the turn of the century in 1900, the beginning of the 20th century, who synthesized religion and Zionism. And they said, actually, no, these secular Zionists, these sinners who violate the Sabbath, who do all the things that they shouldn't do, these guys are actually building God's kingdom. And so what we will do is we will eventually take over. once they've built the state

Starting point is 01:26:16 we will take over and so what he came up with was this idea called the Messiah's donkey which is a biblical term that he completely reinterpreted and he said you know the secular Zionists are the don't actually know why they're doing what they're doing and we are the Messiah and so it was a tiny

Starting point is 01:26:36 stream and after 67 that you know the conquest of the holy cities in the West Bank and East Jerusalem you know the temple Mount and Hebron and, you know, these are like the Nablus, you know, these are like the biblical cities. You know, Tel Aviv was not a biblical city, so it didn't stir the imagination in the same way of Zionism. When that happened, 67, everybody thought the Messiah is coming and like, you know, it's all happening

Starting point is 01:27:02 and we're going to build the temple. So that stream of Zionism, of religious Zionism, which basically took nationalism and just made it into a religion, that started to grow. The settlement movement was established. And after the 1973, Yom Kippur War, when the establishment was discredited and the Zionist spirit was basically weakened, that's when religious Zionism really started to take over the reins. And over the decades since then, they have become the absolute hegemon in Israeli society. So that's why you see these like whack jobs, you know, that are wearing a yarmulka and look like, religious Jews and are, you know, talking about Amalek and slaughtering, you know, babies and,

Starting point is 01:27:52 and, you know, putting like, you know, they're carrying around Torah's in Gaza and, you know, making a synagogue in some house where they, like, exterminated a family. This is religious Zionism, which is the absolute 100% inverse, even more than secular Zionism, from actual Judaism. So it's a very tricky thing. and you have to really examine this stuff in order to be able to deconstruct it. So, you know, really Judaism sees these people as like idol worshippers

Starting point is 01:28:27 as like, you know, guided by Satan, these kinds of things. So what I realized really in the past year is that the ultimate, the real ultimate ideological resistance to Zionism is Orthodox Judaism. I'm not an Orthodox Jew. I'm like, you know, I mean, I grew up in a totally secular household and background, and I still live that way. But it's made me very, very interested in learning more about Orthodox Judaism so I can understand, you know, if it's the opposite of Zionism, I want to know about that, you

Starting point is 01:28:59 know, especially as a Jewish guy because that's like what I, you know, that's like my whatever history or whatever it is. But, and that's the truth of it. And that's, you know, you won't understand that. Yeah, that's why you see these accounts, you know, Torah Judaism and you see these big demonstrations against, you know, these are people who are maintaining the actual Jewish religion, not the fanatics in Gaza, you know, who want to settle Lebanon and, you know, kill Amalek in Gaza.

Starting point is 01:29:25 In fact, Judaism says, real Orthodox Judaism says that Zionists are Amalek is the amazing thing. Interesting. It doesn't mean that you go and like kill them, like the same way that Zionists talk about Amalek because Amalek is a biblical nation that no longer exists. exists, but the idea is that you can change your, your soul will become like Amalek. So it's, it's not, you know, it's not a call to like kill them or anything like that. But in terms of religion, right? What should be counted to the religion is the point is that they wouldn't do it.

Starting point is 01:29:58 Right. Because that would be against their religion. Precisely. What's interesting is, I'll show this. I was saying what you were talking, Muhammad Shihada just shared this 12 years before October 7th. I, you maybe pronounce his name better than I could, ran an article calling to to build extermination camps for Amalek. Netanyahu made this person a Lakud member, right?

Starting point is 01:30:16 And so just showing you how deep this really runs. And I do want to point out what's interesting to me is that one of the things that really stood out to me reading some of these older documents, even ones from the United Nations covering like different outlines 48 forward, like what was happening, is that there were a lot of Jewish people that were pushing back against the Zionist conversation going, like, what are you doing to these, to these Palestinians is, you know, like basically calling it out as against their religion. And there's many examples of that.

Starting point is 01:30:42 And it's just demonstrating your point that they were just forcing that in nonetheless from a counter to the Jewish population that they were arguing what represented them. And so I really thank you for breaking that down for people because it's just, it's infuriating. And I'm right there with you that like I see people that bailed that fall for it. And some cases I think might have good intentions and are thinking this is the problem, but I still think are being completely manipulated, but I personally find it repugnant, kind of the idea.

Starting point is 01:31:07 But then, but you know, at the same time, people that would call you racist for saying Zionism is doing this, you know, and it's just people get trapped in these ideological bubbles. And it's so important that we, just like you said, or really any conversation, maybe you should do your due diligence, take time to research these things like Dan is doing. But really in general, I think it's probably a good place to wrap. But I wanted to, I just point out some of the things that you included in your discussions, like you pointed out going back a long way that Zionism during the final solution, for example, was aligning itself with Nazi Germany and like these classic things that people would reject

Starting point is 01:31:40 without looking, but if you understand there's actual documentation to this, and it goes back to show you that the foundations of this were rooted in manipulation, in deception. And I think that's one thing you just highlighted very well. And so I just hope people will take the time to look into your work and Zach, Zachary Foster, for example, with a PhD and Palestinian history from Princeton, you know, a very educated person on this topic. And so I just, you know, thank you for taking the time to highlight this. And I was going to get into some other foreign policy points, maybe we can discuss that in the future because, you know, we've gone pretty long so far today. But don't want to take up all your time today, Dan. I know you're busy. But thank you for

Starting point is 01:32:14 breaking this down. Anything else you want to talk about before we leave or anything you want to shout out before we wrap today? No, no. I think, you know, I appreciate you, you know, having me on to talk about this stuff very much. I mean, I think what you just said that, you know, I see people who are well-meaning, who get caught up in this. People, you know, people who I wouldn't expect. And I'm not going to name names, but I think, you know, it's that, it's that, If you do not challenge the fundamental deception, the big lie of Zionism, that it equals Judaism, if you don't take the time to examine that, then you will basically inevitably as Israel becomes, you know, does what it does. You're going to be like, man, these Jews, like, I like Dan a lot, but, you know, he's like the one exception, you know, or whatever. You know, these Jews are insane.

Starting point is 01:33:03 and you know so so but that's exactly what they want you to do um you know even it may be a sinking ship for them because reality is going to sink in that you know they're not able to militarily dominate the region but you know i mean i was in i live in dc and i was you know out in uh i was downtown this is a few months ago getting a beer with a with a friend um who is visiting and he wears a yamoka and we walk out of the bar and some other people who are sitting next to us they down the street and they yelled at us like, you know, stop bombing Gaza or something like that. You know, so it's like they, I mean, you know, it was like ironic because this guy's a total anti-Zionist and, you know, I think you know my position. You know, this is what Zionism wants.

Starting point is 01:33:52 Is that, you know, you turn your anger against, you know, Jews, your Jewish neighbors, Jews, you know, people like, people in Brooklyn, you know, who think, who like dress different and have their insular society. You're like, those people, you know, or whatever. And it's the same, you know, it's kind of like the same anti-Muslim hysteria post-9-11. Like now that has been turned against Jews. And, you know, I think most people would understand that, you know, ISIS does not equal Islam, you know, but it's, but it's much more, you know, because of a success. of Zionism, you know, ISIS never reached the level that Israel did, then, you know, the SIEP becomes much, much more powerful. So, um, and we see both happen, right, actually from Zionism.

Starting point is 01:34:42 We get the same thing as causing a lot of the right wing conversation to be irrationally and disgustingly calling out Muslims as a problem, you know, and it's the, it's the same thing from, and interestingly, as you say that, I'm seeing a both drawback to Zionism. That's fascinating and terrifying. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, I think it's really essential to kind of, you know, understand how, I mean, it's really just a sort of basic propaganda construct that, you know, the same way with the Republicans and then the Democrats. If we only had the Democratic party, you know, eventually people would get tired of that. You know, if we just had a dictatorship, it would, it wouldn't work as well. We need a two-party system to make people think that they

Starting point is 01:35:19 are choosing, that they have some freedom. So, you know, they need, you need to either say, you know, oh, I love Israel and I love Jews and they're great and it's all the same thing. or I hate Israel and I hate Jews because they're terrible because look what they're doing and it's all the same. As long as you stay within those two, you know, somewhere in between, then as far as Zionists are concerned, you are perfectly good. They're happy. If you break out of that and you realize that Judaism and Zionism are actually opposites, then what you end up doing is, you know, you pull the curtain back on the whole thing. And then it's, you know, the man behind the curtain. What's what's, you know, what's the line like, so.

Starting point is 01:36:00 Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's exactly what it is. It's that line, you know, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, right? Right. That's just like, you know, he's got his anti-Semitism, you know, handle and he's pushing that and, you know, and it's like, it's all completely phony. Like, it's, you know, there's, I mean, you know, look at what the ADL, for example, you know, which is like is a hate group and they gin up anti-Sysmese. Semitism everywhere they can. Look at who, you know, they, I remember during COVID, they said that

Starting point is 01:36:33 anti-vax is a new variant of anti-Semitism. Right. So it's like any corporate interest that pays the ADL will say that like, you know, criticism of that corporate interest or whatever it is is anti-Semitism. It's just so obviously fake. And so if you buy indignism or, you know, anywhere in that narrative, then you're going to, you end up supporting that thing, you know, that whole paradigm. It's just like you just got to, once people understand that it's completely fake, there's nothing real about it. It's like artificial flavor. It's like comparing, you know, artificial, you know, like a watermelon jolly rancher to an actual watermelon. It's like, this is not the same, you know? Then then it just all falls apart and you can really see through the sciop.

Starting point is 01:37:21 Yeah, yeah, well said, man. I genuinely think that more people than not are starting to see it. And maybe still getting kind of trapped in some of these misunderstandings because they do jump in their circles and their sides on Twitter and elsewhere. And they see some large account trying to draw them over here with flashy claims. But I genuinely think that most people are, you know, because they do. I think a lot of them, I mean, I have more of a hopeful perspective right now on whether it's the two-party illusion, the U.S. in general or the world perspective.

Starting point is 01:37:48 But I'm leaning more towards people are seeing it. And I think that's why a lot of this is happening. It's kind of a desperate kind of implosion because what else they're going to do besides double down in the same lies and it's not working. And I think your work, Dan, is it having a huge effect on that. So thank you for taking the time today talking about this. Hopefully we can connect again in the near future. And I'll include, by the way, as always, all of your links and for people to check out

Starting point is 01:38:10 your different accounts as well as your link tree. Make sure you support the work he's doing. It's very important. So thank you again, Dan. And as always, everybody out there, question everything. Come to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant. Zionism is racism. Israel cannot be both. Israel is either a racist, Jewish state,

Starting point is 01:38:31 or it's a democratic state for everybody. And that's what I would like Israel to be. I'd like a democratic solution, one state with equal rights for all its inhabitants. Your organization, Human Rights Watch, issued a report last year about Israel and the conclusion was it is an apartheid state and the four major human rights groups in the last two years who issued similar reports which the same conclusion Israel is an apartheid state so apartheid is racism apartheid is discrimination but Israel is the only member of the United Nations that I know which is is officially racist. And I say this because of the July 2018 nation state law, which says,

Starting point is 01:39:33 the Jews have a unique, unique right to self-determination in Israel. Unique means exclusive. It means Arabs have no right to self-determination. It means even if Arabs became a majority, they would still have no right to self-determination. So most certainly Zionism is a racist ideology and it is largely responsible for the Anakba that has unfolded throughout the last century and continues today.

The Last American Vagabond - Dan Cohen Interview - The Manufactured Middle East Plight & The Zionism Lynchpin

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