The Last American Vagabond - Derrick Broze Interview - Manufacturing Consent For The Incoming Technocratic Control Grid

Episode Date: December 16, 2024

Joining me today is Derrick Broze, here to discuss some of his recent articles and how they relate to some of the current stories dominating the headlines. We discuss the new contracts between SpaceX and the Biden administration for rolling out an all-encompassing satellite spy network around the world with the NRO and how this overlaps with the rapidly growing control grid that is being implemented. We also discuss the Israeli government dominated spyware field and how this is set to explode in the next Trump administration. We also consider how the current drone craze might fit into all of this.Source Links:Derrick Broze, Author at The Last American VagabondNew TabMeet the Spyware Companies Preparing to Unleash Their Tech During Trump's 2nd TermThe Biden Administration's Legacy of Migrant Children TraffickingTrump Confirms Plan To Declare National Emergency For "Mass Deportations" Using "Military Assets"(34) Robert Skvarla on X: "New docs obtained by journalist Jack Poulson confirm an Israeli spyware firm was marketing its software based on its ability to "target" the social accounts of everyone from BLM protesters to J6ers https://t.co/CVDgMjgJet" / XThe SAVE Act, REAL ID & ID2020 - Using The #TwoPartyIllusion & The Election To Usher In Digital IDsSuspected Terrorist At Texas Border Works For Mossad & "UNRWA Is Hamas" Exposed As Israeli OperationWhether Through Biden, Harris, or Trump - Digital ID's Are Coming to AmericaDigital ID: The Foundation for TechnocracyAmerica's Frontier Fund: The Venture Capital Firm with Ties to Peter Thiel and Eric SchmidtNew TabElection 2024: Zionist Technocrats vs Zionist Technocrats'You Can't Hide': Elon Musk & SpaceX Are Helping US Intelligence Build the World's Largest Spy Satellite NetworkElon Musk | Tesla Investor Relations(31) Evan on X: "SpaceX’s Starlink now has more than 5,000 satellites orbiting Earth 🌎 up from 0 operational satellites at the start of 2019 Here’s what that journey looks like 👀 https://t.co/ZPTXcXOhjg" / XSpaceX Wins First US Space Force Contract for Satellites - BloombergNew TabIsrael Connection To Drone Psyop & Netanyahu Government "Unanimously Approved" Plan To Settle SyriaNJ Drone 'Invasion' Just In Time For Congress To Reauthorize Orwellian Law | ZeroHedge(21) Palantir on X: "“For more than two decades, we have been providing warfighters with mission-critical software and production AI capabilities – including Project Maven,” says Aki Jain, Palantir’s CTO & President, US Government. “Deploying Palantir’s Visual Navigation atop Red Cat’s drones and… https://t.co/cvbhq6cfSm" / XNATO - News: Ukraine joins NATO counter-drone exercise for first time, 10-Sep.-2024The Drone Wars: You Are Not Prepared | The Corbett Report(34) Truth Seeker on X: "Palantir aired this commercial during the Army vs Navy game showing drones being released from a ship..... Further proof this is all a psyop... https://t.co/ORT4XyPeQA" / XPeter Thiel: Palantir, Israel Agree Strategic Partnership for Battle Tech - Bloomberg‘Lavender’: The AI machine directing Israel’s bombing spree in GazaIsraeli Company Is Hawking Its Self-Launching Drone System to U.S. PoliceThe People's Reset - The People's Reset: Mexico 2025New TabWith Fluoride Back in the News, Americans Are Once Again Being Told to "Trust the Science"Fluoride Trial Archives - The Last American VagabondBitcoin Donations Are Appreciated:www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/bitcoin-donation(3FSozj9gQ1UniHvEiRmkPnXzHSVMc68U9f)The Last American Vagabond Substack is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to The Last American Vagabond Substack at tlavagabond.substack.com/subscribe

Welcome to The Last American Vagabond. Joining me today is Derek Bros. to discuss a couple of really important articles that he put out recently. One in particular around the spyware element and the growing reality of that, but in the context of Donald Trump's incoming administration. And overlapping that with an interesting point about the Israeli, as I would write, infiltration of this field, pointing out that close to 50% of the field of spyware is actually, Israeli startups, which are directly connected to their intelligence apparatus and talking about

how concerning that may be with what seems to be this kind of unfettered regulatory reality for the technocratic drive coming during Trump's next administration. And he also wrote about recently this new development between Elon Musk, SpaceX, and the national reconnaissance, the NRO, the group that is ultimately behind the majority of surveillance for even the NSA and other groups behind that and stating in their own conversations that you can't hide. And this is being done under the guys of the outsiders, the rebels, fighting the deep state. And maybe, maybe you can make sense of that. To me, it seems to be the same old thing being built out around us.

And so we're going to talk with Derek and the research you've done around this and maybe overlap it with some conversations of this weird drone story. So Derek, how are you, brother? Good to see you again. Oh, got you muted. Thanks for having me back on, brother. I appreciate it. Yeah, yeah, it's good.

This is a good, important take on an interesting developing story. What I find interesting is that during this, you know, really this weird, I keep talking about this weird limbo period that every four years, we get this like gap between when the president's no longer technical, well, technically still president, but the president-elect is in power. You know what I mean?

It's like anything good. They'll claim anything bad. It's still their fault, you know, and it's like this weird time. And so right now, the point in that is that in that time, you know, the partisan fervor is pretty crazy. And I think that's interesting that you're highlighting some very clear concerns. that I would argue even more so Republicans were highlighting during COVID-19,

the Great Reset Conversation, and are suddenly now, you know, in some cases, there's plenty of conserves calling it out, but in some cases just kind of cheering on the good guy version of the same thing, right? The good guy, AI, the good guy, technocratic control structure. So let's start with, okay, do you want to say it open with something? Go ahead. No, I just wanted to say to that point you were making there that just in case anybody is going to hear the rest of this conversation, and it probably will.

be more focused on the Trump, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Cabal side of things. You can go back to the articles I wrote before the ones we're going to cover today when I looked at Joe Biden's legacy as well. So we're looking at all sides at this point. You know, we're not letting Biden just, you know, kind of slip away into the night without calling out some of the things that he's been responsible for. Right, right. Well, you know, I was, it's funny. I do take issue with the idea that we always have to counterbalance the statements because it's objectively a clear thing that we pointed out, but it gets taken as, well, therefore, you don't point out the other side.

We all know that it's frustrating. The point is obvious that from our perspective, as we've been highlighting, that it's more so about the illusion of it all that is just the current power structure. You know, so we're highlighting the issues being rolled out by the incoming administration, not so much because that's right or left. And I think Derek's done great work on this. And this is one of the ones I was going to point out in a minute, whether through Biden or Harris or Trump, digital IDs are coming to America.

And that's what we're trying to get at. You know, and myself, I seem to be focusing more on that. incoming power structure because I just think it's obvious that they have more influence over the outcome from the political side of it. And I think that's what we can see with every, every house that, you know, executive Senate house. I mean, it's very clear that they have that kind of influence. So I'm glad you point that out, though, because same point, the fervor of the partisan side of this, people will tend to kind of reflexively push away from something they sense is highlighting the person that they support. So I'm glad you point that out. But yeah, even even before

we fully dive into that, just one other quick thing. We're recording this. the middle of December. So Biden's got just a couple of weeks left. And part of what I was pointing out with that article that you just showed there, I know we'll talk more about digital IDs in a few minutes, but part of what I was pointing out there is that there is a draft of an executive order that has been seen by, you know, more, probably a dozen or more people, maybe more at this point, which has been in draft form for several months now, maybe even up to a year, that the Biden administration is apparently holding on to. And I wouldn't be surprised if that draft executive order that I wrote about in that article does get, you know, put into place right before he leaves

office. And that would be an executive order about accelerating the push towards mobile driver's licenses or digital driver's licenses. Yeah, now, that's a really important one that I've been highlighting the dual aspect of the two-party illusion part of it, right, where you bring in the overlap to the Save Act, right, which ultimately opens the door to real ID compliant, which is digital ID, period. And ultimately then, but allowing other options and the bill. But then I pointed out if this if and when this comes to pass from Biden's side of it, but it effectively creates a circumstance where eventually, as they outline, your paper versions will eventually be null-noyed and the digital on-phone version is what you'll use, which then

when you combine these two things, then all you end up with is real ID compliant identification. And both sides point at the other for why they were responsible for letting this happen. And you make a good point about, or I'm glad you point out the idea of the executive order and how this works in the limbo period. So let's say Biden passes this on the way out. It's an easy thing for Trump to say, see, the Biden, Democrat, they're the problem. They pass this. But then how hard do they work to try to return that? You know what I mean?

Like you could just pass, write another executive order. I'm going to argue that's not what happens. I would guess that he's going to do what every other president has done before him and say, we don't need to look backwards. We need to look forward. Yes, right. It's all about unity when you want it to be, right? But I think it's important to see that that ends up being you give him an out because

he says they're the bad problem, but he doesn't actually try to stop it. My point is that's the illusion of how this continues to keep us divided into the guys they're fighting each other when really their plans seem to work in unison to achieve these things. So you wrote the article, meet the spyware companies preparing to unleash their tech during Trump's second administration. And again, the point being is that I would argue this was going to happen regardless of who, what selection was made.

That'd be my opinion. But so what really alarming about this is the first point in general, just in a broad sense before we even get to this point, is how crazy it is that we're in a position where this is still like it's like a, like a benign story almost for some people, despite the history of the NSA conversation that that in and of itself just kind of got kicked aside. Yeah, yeah, we lied 14 times over. Yes, we're spying on you, but it's for your safety and everyone just went on. You know, it's like, it's just crazy. And so here, that overlap is important that you see whether it's Israeli spyware or not, which we'll get to, just the fact that we're still in

this field, that Americans aren't recognizing how invasive this stuff is or just don't choose to. I just even comments. And I just think that's very crazy how we can't seem to get past these things. Any of them, it seems. Yeah. And, you know, the reason I thought that this article was important to write is not just, as you said, to kind of point the direction at what's going to happen with the incoming Trump administration, which is a big part of it for sure. I think to your other point, that it probably would have happened either way, like, you know, the acceleration of spyware by various U.S. government agencies, that's probably in the cards already, just because we're headed towards the surveillance state day by day. But I do think, you know, as much

I agree with you about the selection aspect. For whatever reason, the narrative being Trump won and now he's going to come clean house or whatever, his rhetoric around the largest deportation operation and history and all that sort of stuff, it's clear that the different companies that are involved with spyware, and I also talk about companies that are involved with, what do they call the, when you're on house arrest, like, oh, ankle monitors and stuff like that, that all of the industry behind that, including the private prison industry, who is going to stand a benefit to the tune of probably billions of dollars to temporarily or long-term house people who are going to be deported. Because it's not like, I think people have this image that they're going to just go find the local

illegal cook at your restaurant, you know, your local restaurant and put them on a bus and send them back to Mexico. And it's not going to be like that. There's going to be a whole process, which, you know, in some cases, it's probably better, right? You're not just throwing people across the border. There's going to be bureaucracy around that. and that bureaucracy is going to need more bureaucracy and companies who's going to build those shelters that hold the people temporarily. Who's going to monitor them to make sure that they come back for court

dates and all this sort of thing, which I discussed in my previous article about the Biden administration, how the reason there is a real immigration problem is because of decisions that were made during the Biden administration, the Obama administration. And I would think there's even some things under Trump that, you know, he could have easily fixed some of these issues if he wanted to. Real quick at a point. Don't forget that Brubio was, was, was, on record responsible for petitioning and driving more of the Venezuelan refugee program. Like, so just to your point, exactly. So it's both sides of this dynamic for different reasons. Go ahead.

Yeah, and as we reported at the time, like Trump was, you know, a big cheerleader for the attempted coup in Venezuela. And it's interference like that in other countries, which leads to the blowback that causes people to want to come to the United States in the first place. You know, they're not just leaving for no reason. There's turmoil and things happening at home. And they decide, you know, what? this potentially life, you know, dangerous journey, the life-ending journey is worth the risk, so we're going to go make it. But nevertheless, this problem of immigration has been building up for some time.

And so then Trump gets to step into this role of like, I'm going to be the one to finally fix it. The Democrats are crazy. And they did all these policies that clearly anybody with a brain, and I think it's true, anybody with a brain could look at these policies and say, like, that's not going to end up good. You're going to lose children. Why are you doing that?

Well, then it allows Trump to, and these various companies, to kind of step into that space and say, well, look, I'm going to do this better. And as he has signaled, and you can find this in statements made by Trump, you can find it in the Republican Party platform under Trump and just different speeches he's given, that he is not anti-technology, not to say that he should be or anything like that, but he's definitely going to use technology like facial recognition, like biometrics, et cetera, to create this massive system that he wants. So we shouldn't expect that he's going to like shy away from these companies. who are already coming to calling to the to the immigration customs enforcement to ice as soon as

Trump got elected as I point out in the article ice was petitioning different companies for contracts for technologies which will be useful for tracking people and which will be useful for housing people and things of that sort some of which includes these companies here that I'm highlighting these spyware companies that are have been around for years you know for those who aren't familiar with the term spyware Spire. It comes from the idea of software. Software is, of course, something like a program. You can load to your laptop, to your phone, your computer. Things of that sort. Spyware, as the name implies, is simply software or a program that is there to spy on you and to gather data from you. And as you mentioned, Ryan, we know about the NSA's efforts through tapping the undersea tables of the internet, through phone and cellular data collection. This is different in the sense that this is specifically companies, many of which who are associated with Israeli intelligence, who are developing software, spyware programs that they can remotely infect phones, computers, et cetera, and gather all kinds of data.

And then, of course, where that data goes after that, maybe to law enforcement, maybe to the government, maybe back to the same Israeli firms with connections to Israeli intelligence, like Unit 8200. and they are they are bragging that they can crack encrypted messaging on WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal, and Facebook Messenger. And not to say that those four that I just mentioned besides maybe Signal are like the pinnacle of, you know, encrypted messaging, but Facebook does claim that they have some level of encryption.

Telegram does have a one-on-one encrypted messaging option. And WhatsApp is allegedly encrypted too. And then Signal, of course, is seen as like the kind of the pinnacle or the, you know, the top encrypted messaging app. I think there's reasons to be skeptical and careful with that as well. But nevertheless, these are the ones they're focusing on. And if they're focusing on these ones, we can just assume that they probably have the ability of crack others as well.

So that's kind of what my article is looking at in a broad picture. We can get deeper to the details, but how all of these different companies that are starting to contract with ICE, specifically the one I start with is $2 million one-year contract from Paragon Solutions, which is just a company that when I started to look into them, Like, yeah, there's been a few reports mainly from the Wall Street Journal over the last couple years. But they're not a household name that I've really heard anybody else in our broader community mentioned. So it felt to me kind of important to not only highlight them, but to highlight just the danger of where spyware really is going.

Like the way I sort of see this is you could compare it to something like facial recognition or maybe artificial intelligence where, you know, I'm not the guy to say like, let's get the government to ban the things and assume that's going to fix stuff. but we are dealing with new levels of technology that is, you know, as many of the people that were referenced in the article I wrote here, some of the so-called experts, that were really an uncharted territory when it comes to this technology. I mean, there's just, how do governments even protect from it? Even if we believe the governments were benevolent and really trying to protect us and our communications, like let's imagine the U.S. government really did care about that. Well, you still got the Israeli government. You got the U.K. government. You got other governments who are freely contracting with these companies. And it's not just about spying on their own citizens. It's about spying on pretty much anybody they want.

And this technology does allow them to do so with pretty much anyone in the world. So that, I think, is the bigger, scarier kind of question and conversation around this is like, is there any way to stop it from getting worse? I really don't know. Yeah. And I think it's important to kind of break it into things because it's not just because the Israeli overlap. I think that should be concerning for obvious objective reasons in the world today and their invasive actions within this field. But your point, just about the the field itself and that it is a very clearly growing dynamic that overlaps with a lot of the things you just mentioned, which, so let's taking one step back to the border dynamic. And you've made

this point very clear that it's obvious, even with, you know, let's just say good intentions. It's just like hard even saying that with how clearly I think there's not, you know, but, but let's just say that, you know, doing this for the right reasons, whatever you think that would be. Well, they've already made it clear that that will necessitate camps or whatever you want to call them. So at first point, for people that have in every point, a conversation of the past been the ones to point out the FEMA camps or the different example, well, here you go. It's literally being outlined and displayed for what we need to do, but because, and this is what I was highlighted before. It's the good guy version, right? It's easy to go, oh, well, they're doing it

for the reason I like. So we, you know, and that's a problem, but all the rest of it, right? It's going to necessitate an increase in surveillance, an increase in biometric tracking, like they're telling you is coming. And this overlaps with all these conversations we're seeing. So they justify it saying that we have, you know, have to secure the border. We have to, shut this down, we've got immigrants, we have to deport. Well, that is going to be, as you've highlighted, in more than one article, the deployment of potentially military, as there's highlighting, and just state of emergency, which it's going to increase and solidify a, not a surveillance state, but a technocratic surveillance state, which is where this is going, that we'll never go back

from. Every time that's happened, Patriot Act never went back. COVID-19, never went back. All right, so that's where I see coming for this. And it even overlaps, which we'll get into in the next article and afterward, this potential drone conversation, right? Because let me play this clip, actually, this relates with all the stuff we're talking about. You guys have seen this, but this is what Trump said not too long ago. And it is very clearly something that, I mean, very, without, it directly overlaps with the supplyware, with the biometric tracking, with the border conversation, and even with the drone point.

Because how do you think they're going to be using biometric tracking? We will finally complete the biometric entry exit visa tracking system, which we need desperately. For years, Congress has required biometric entry-exit visa tracking systems, but it has never been completed. The politicians are all talk, no action, never happens, never happens. Hillary Clinton all talks. Unfortunately, when there is action, it's always the wrong decision. Do you ever notice?

In my administration, we will ensure that this system is in place, and I will tell you, It will be on land. It will be on sea. It will be in air. We will have a proper tracking system. Wow. You're muted, brother. What are your thoughts on that? Calgary what we're talking about today. Yeah. So, first of all, it brings up a few different things, man. And like, after I wrote that article about Biden and I was going deeper into the immigration issue, it is a complex issue. I'll give it that, right? There are some dumb, obvious moves that have been made. made that, like I said earlier, set you up for failure. And so there's, it's, it's like, okay,

change those policies. Well, one of the policies that the Biden administration changed, which Trump appears to be saying he's going to fix, of course, he's going to go above and beyond. And it's going to be completely, you know, biometric wall, smart wall, et cetera, though is the fact that the Biden administration, and I think it actually started during the Obama administration, but it continued for sure during the Biden administration, that they ended the practice of DNA collection for sponsors. So as I write in that article, you know, when there's an unaccompanied, a migrant child that comes across, they hold them and sometimes maybe they have notes or something or they have some sort of information, and they're supposed to find them a sponsor, which is, in the best

case, a family member that's in the United States, and they connect them, they prove, okay, this is your family member, you know each other, IDs are shown, they can do background checks. Like that those are all the things that the Biden administration stopped doing. But they're supposed to do background checks. And that is supposed to include some level of biometrics, probably a DNA test of some sort. And those policies were ended or reversed under Biden and Obama. So I ask myself because obviously we both see the danger in what Trump is talking about there, land, sea it air, biometrics, all the stuff that many of us are fighting.

And I understand that. And I can see that. And then from the other side of how do we fix it? the immigration problem, how do we solve this not knowing if a child coming across and the person that says, oh, yeah, I swear, this is my nephew or my niece or whatever. And there's all kinds of crazy cases that the kids showing up looking drugged. The kids like clearly trafficking situation going on and there was people trying to warn them. All those different mechanisms that are supposed to be there to protect the children failed or were ignored, et cetera. And I think we can, you know,

we can safely assume by design. But I guess what I'm getting at is here is how do we, solve that problem without promoting more biometrics. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't, I don't know what the perfect answer is in that case, because obviously I'm against Trump, you know, wanting to do full on biometrics. And it, because from there, like, you already said, it's going to expand, it starts with voting. And then it goes, you got to use it everywhere. Then it becomes you got to use it to get on the internet and whatever else. And at the same time, immigrants aren't going to stop coming to the U.S. even if they slow it down and, you know, Trump does a big deportation operation. There will always be immigration, legal and illegal. It's just

part of, you know, having a border. and how do we improve that situation? We're not going to solve that right here, but that's just where my mind goes. It's like, damn, we're like kind of stuck in between, you know, a rock and a hard play. It's like we don't want to promote biometrics. And at the same time, that seems like that might be one way, DNA testing or something, some level of, you know, more than they're doing now. At the very least, the background check, like prove, show a picture with this person and a family member or something, right?

So, yeah, that's kind of where mind went on that whole thing is just how do we not, how do we fix one problem without encouraging the, the solution we. know they want to promote, which we know will lead bad places. Yeah, that makes sense. Absolutely. What's interesting is that that is a good example of how a well-crafted psychological operation would work. I mean, you can, I'm not saying we can, I think that's how that's what that is.

You can decide if you think so, but hypothetically speaking, a perfectly well-crafted psychological operation or rather just specifically a like problem reaction solution dynamic, would be just like that, where like the question should be asked, first of all, it's important to wonder to ask in that context whether they're involved with creating that problem. that clearly would matter, right? Or then even if they're not, whether they even care to stop it. Right, those things really matter

because then the intention is very different than, you know, the point would be why are they then stepping in to do this? And clearly the point we're arguing is even if they want to stop the problem, it's the solution is a bigger problem in and of itself as it comes to our rights and so on. And again, back to the first point,

is if they are involved with creating the problem, that's exactly what we're talking about. But a well-crafted psychological operation does just that where you're going, I get the logic of it. Like, I get where they're putting you. Like, that does solve this to a degree. The question is, is there a bigger problem being created by being driven into what you see as all the choices?

But as usual, it's a false binary, right? That's, that's well done. Yeah. And you're right. Those are the telltale signs of a good psychological operation or just that sort of problem or reaction solution situation. Because the person who's manufacturing or sort of guiding that operation, they want you to feel conflicted. You know, and to the point of saying, I'm like, well, yeah, I do have these values and these principles, and I've held on to them,

but this situation is so bad, it requires me to let them go and to ignore all the things that I know could come from this because I want to fix this one problem. I totally agree, but I would even take it a step further and say a perfect crafted version of that would be where you don't feel conflicted, where it makes perfect sense, but you realize that, well, like, get the biometric issue, like, let's just say it was something that didn't conflict with what we wanted, but we would still be going, hold on, though, I don't think they're doing this for the right reasons and what are they going to drive around it, you know, and so it's, it's well done, though. Like, I think that that's the problem is that it's always about, you know, what about the children, you know, and of course we care

about the children. Of course we care. They don't care about the children. And that's where it gets very concerning for me. You know, I want to read some things you highlighted in your article. And I'm sure there are, there's more in this. Make sure you read this one that he was just highlighting the Biden administration's legacy of migrant child trafficking. I just want to pluck out some of the ones I just grab really quickly. There's more in here. You should check. out. But this is being quoted, and this was Tara Rodas from the volunteer at the Pomona Fairflex Emergency Intake site in California. He says, quote, if I had not seen it with my own eyes, I do not believe I could accept that a federal government agency is responsible for using billions

of taxpayer dollars annually to put children in the homes of gang members. Oh, did you lose me there? Do you lose me, Derek? You still there? Yeah, I'm here. It just froze for a moment while you're reading the quote. Anyway, so that's okay. It's a little bit lost connection. there on my end. That's interesting. Anyway, the point was simple that if you read the article and what she's highlighting, that it's very clear that it's like, you know, there's no like accident. Like they're going out there. She's calling them out for ignoring the process, removing it, like stopping the checks of what they might need to make sure that the parents, like, it's just grotesque. And maybe there's some of the reason, but I think it's pretty nefarious on its

face. And so this, but so the point that we're just making is that this is how you make a very well-set-up discussion to justify anything else, right? And so here we are jumping into this. So we have the back to this article, though, the spyware being rolled out of the administration. I want to make sure reiterate that in that field about, it was like, was it 46% in the article of the entire field in the world is Israeli startups directly tied to intelligence. And this is being rushed out around this country. And I think that's pretty terrifying. I wanted to note this one was about spyware. I just saw this online.

This is of October 10th of this year. It says Israeli firm. It's not showing on the screen, by the way. Oh, thank you. That was just my fault. So this is a tweet that's shared by Robert. I just looked up Israeli spyware to see what would pop up in regard what people are talking about. It's an article right here saying Israeli firm taught U.S. police how to target Black Lives Matter, Antifa, and January 6 protesters.

Of course, because it's nonpartisan when you really break it all down, right? And it's always being used against you. But so this is Israeli spyware that's immersed. So it's part of the official discussion of what our governments are using against us. and I find that to be pretty terrifying. And so we can roll this into, you know, the digital ID aspect of this is very important, but we can talk about the next article you wrote.

And the point is we get digital IDs at any point. We should talk about how it overlaps with all this because it's very obvious that that's, as we wrote in the IMA panel discussion, the foundation of technocracy. It'll be one of the earliest points in this, and that is the biometric aspect. So tell me about this article, Derek,

and how you think this overlap, if at all. Because I think there is clearly a connection, whether it's drones or biometrics, but does overlap with satellite and surveillance. But the article's entitled, You Can't Hide. So whether they connect or not, we're talking about the increase of surveillance state.

Elon Musk and SpaceX are helping U.S. intelligence build the world's largest spy satellite network. So tell us about this and why we should be concerned. Yeah. So, I mean, you're right. They both connect because they're part of the broader surveillance conversation. Before we jump into that one, I wanted to make one other point, though, on the spyware companies.

We were talking about how that relates to ICE. I mentioned that there has been a $2 million contract signed earlier this year by Paragon Solutions. I just wanted to make the point that that is actually just the latest in contracts that ICE has signed with various companies. They've actually signed $20 million worth of contracts for spyware, surveillance, and forensic tech, and just the last four months in the three months leading up to the election and then since then. And so like I said earlier, whether this probably would have continued and, you know, it picked up at similar pace, whether it was Kamala or Trump in all.

office. But it does seem like Trump winning and all his rhetoric about, you know, deporting and stuff has signaled to certain companies and to ICE, like, hey, we need to be prepared. We need to get ready. So one of the contracts I found was ICE was they're looking for methods to verify biometrics with a smartphone or a tablet using facial recognition or other means. And they're specifically looking for vendors who can, quote, provide devices that track participants' activities and movements via geolocation, offer identity verification, and offer one or two-way communication capabilities with ICE to assist ICE with ensuring compliance with release requirements and court orders. Now, that's what I was mentioning earlier, that when they hold people,

they might say, okay, well, look, you've been found to be here illegally. They might kick him out, but there might be cases where they say, we need you to come back to ICE's court and, you know, come check it out again. This is kind of the reverse of the problem they have when people are coming in, they're supposed to set the kids up with a sponsor and they're supposed to come back every 30 days and be seen. But that's where you hear this number about like missing kids. I don't think we can for certain say they're missing yet, but they definitely are not keeping up with them. And so, you know, we could maybe assume. But nevertheless, so these companies are now contracting with Trump or with the incoming Trump administration with ICE and anticipation of

Trump coming in for tracking devices, biometrics, et cetera. But the other point I wanted to make about this is that one of the companies, geo-groups, which is a private prison contractor, one of the biggest ones in the United States. After Trump was elected, he gave an interview where he said that he's expecting they're going to make $400 million annually under Trump by filling up the beds with individuals who have been accused of illegal immigration. This is where we're talking about the FEMA camps, internment camps, whatever you want to say, there's going to be housing and there's going to be a lot of money to be made on this. And here's where more of the swampiness comes in. Trump's pick for Attorney General, Pam Bondi, she was a former lobbyist at the geo group. So you start to see like, okay, so the private prison industry is about to benefit to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars a year because of Trump's rhetoric about getting rid of immigrants because of the situation that we know was allowed to expand to this point where people are literally begging to get rid of all the bad guys.

And the companies and corporations like geo group, I guarantee you these people do not give a crap about the sentimental stories that you're falling for and please save the children. they're carrying about the $400 million annually that they stand to make under a Trump administration. So you've got somebody going from being a lobbyist for them and then now being put in the highest, or nominated for at least, the highest law enforcement position in the United States, the attorney general. And in that position, she will be directly involved with shaping immigration policy. And obviously she could make it in a way that's going to benefit her former, you know, contractor, geo group.

So I just wanted to point that out that there's a lot more swapp on the Trump side, one to admit. And if people want to read the rest of this article, I do encourage you to just, I didn't go super deep with every one of these other companies. There's some that are more well known, like Clearview AI, but boldened, celebrate, magnetic forensics, pen link. These are companies that we should probably be aware of because I'm sure we're going to see them coming up more in the coming years.

And if I remember correctly, most of those are rarely companies, right? Or at least the majority of it works it off. Yeah. Yeah, and like you said, that there's a report that I quoted from the Atlantic Council, interestingly, from just September, and it was all about spyware. And it said that most of the vendors, because, you know, you've got like the companies that create this stuff, the spyware companies, you got vendors. There's just like a whole apparatus to this industry. Most of them are based in Israel, India and Italy. They call it the three eyes, but nearly 50% of them are coming from Israel.

And, you know, there's other companies like the NSO group who's probably made the most attention over the last couple of weeks. years because of the Pegasus leaks that people may or may not have heard about. I do do a little recap of that in this article. But there's others. And these names, like I said, they're not household names yet that you might have heard about like Palantir or something. But I guarantee you we're going to see more and more of these different names and we're going to see more and more spyware being deployed both by private companies because that's the other big difference, right? On one hand, when we talk about surveillance, you got the NSA. That's government surveillance, taking taxpayer dollars developing different tools to hack and spy or go to the courts and ask for FISA warrants or

whatever. These are private companies who are working with hackers who've been trained by the intelligence firms to develop tools specifically to crack encryption and messaging apps and then sell those those programs, that spyware, that software, two governments and to law enforcement. So whether it's coming directly from the governments and the cops or is being sold to them by private entities. We've just got so many people trying to get in our stuff. And I would encourage people to check out just one other note on this and encourage people to check out a documentary. It's by HBO. I don't encourage you to give HBO your money. But if you search around, you can find it. It's called Surveiled. And it just came out in the last couple months. And actually, I didn't

even know about it until I was finishing my article. And I decided to watch it sort of as part of my research. But much of what I discussed here is discussed there. They talk about the Pegasusus leaks and the NSO group and how this is just, it's, it's like I said earlier, it's rising to a level now where, you know, most experts in this field of digital rights and digital security are not sure how anybody's privacy is going to be protected in the near term future, if, you know, to whatever degree it already is, right? Right. Well, that's going to say, even not just an opinion, but stated by people in that very field that

it very well may have been, we may have passed that line a long time ago, right? And we're just not aware of that. But so, I mean, speaking of the problem, reaction, solution to it, you know, And it's a general concept that people tend to, you know, it can apply anywhere. But just think, just consider how easy it would be. I mean, my guess is to start with the fact that I think we should all acknowledge that our government has been very clear about the direction, both left and right, about the technological advancement, right?

These are things that they've been staying, they've been trying to remove rights every which way they can and from both sides. So think about how easy it would be to simply create this dichotomy, to say, to create during Biden's administration and influx, which nobody's denying, at least not not here about the problem that that's created. And then how easy it would be to have Trump swing in with this next administration and say, well, now we're going to bring them all back out and create the opening for exactly what we're talking about.

You know, and maybe they're not even aware of that, but just consider how easy that might have been to accomplish. And so now they're going to be the biometrics, the drone aspect, the surveillance, all the things we might talk about. So I just want to point that out. I know many of you probably already had that in your mind, but it's not something we can verify,

but we have to consider that that might be happening. That's how governments operate. Now, before we move past the next one, one thing I really think stands out when you read that last time, when it says accused of illegal immigration, I think that tends to get skipped over, right? And you made a point about that. And this is, they're erring on the side of the big boogeyman that we need to move from the country. And I think that's being broadly, like wildly overrepresented. But to the point you made earlier, well, then we should, we should care. There's people that were let in that were criminals or that are people that are here illegally, that should matter. But when you say accused, that opens the door, like a all the rest of this to a broad stroke, I mean, application of what, that they have a different skin color? I mean, how would you really imply that from a perspective of people on the street? So if you just touch on that point, I think that's the word. I think that is a hugely important point. And not only what you're saying there, but we already know that Donald Trump has been speaking in support of stop and frisk measures and wanting to bring back the horrible post-9-11

stop and frisk measures. And for those who either weren't paying attention or just didn't, you know, care at the time. But in the post-9-11 era, up until maybe the last five or ten years when I know they finally got rid of it, but there was stopping frisk in places like New York City, obviously, where 9-11 happened, where the cops could pretty much just go up to anybody. And yes, they typically were brown-skinned people who maybe looked, they would assume they were Muslim. They could be Palestinian. They could be Sikh. They could be whatever. But they, you know, they had a turban on or something. So they may go check them out and question them. And they could pat them down. They could bother them. They could take them to the station. They could try to turn them

into informants and all of that was considered completely legal. And I think you're personal for sure. Yeah, totally unconstitutional, but they consider it to be legal, you know, as far as they're concerned. And, you know, so when you mention that caveat of like they say, you know, people who are suspected of being illegal immigrants and things like that, another thing that I've seen Trump stating that does concern me in terms of how this whole thing's going to be carried out. And none of us know for sure. But when they're discussing using the military, he's like, well, maybe we'll use them. We'll see if it comes to that.

it's just not even a fun place to be where they're playing with that idea. And I might have mentioned this to you in the past, but when it comes to the whole immigration thing, I mean, this is definitely something that I do think it should matter to people whether you know any immigrants or not, because, for example, my partner, she's born in the U.S., Mexican parents. They came over. They were naturalized in the 90s, so they're legal, but they have some family members and probably friends of family members who come over who do a lot of work and work that Americans don't wanted to do who may not have their current paperwork because of how messed up the system is.

And Trump is, you know, they're asking him in these recent interviews he just did, well, what are you going to do when there's a child who came over illegally or one person, but then the rest of the family may, you know, may have the proper paperwork. And, you know, are you going to separate families? And he's like, well, we don't want to, we don't want to separate families again because that made such a big stink last time when he was in office. You guys might remember that. So they're saying, well, what will probably, he doesn't know, what Trump is saying. And you can find him quoting. him quoting him saying this directly,

we'll deport the entire family. You know, so what does that really look like? None of us know. Like, when you got a mixed family of some people who maybe have come illegally, some people who have, but you don't want to separate the family and his solution to just deport the whole family,

I don't know what the heck that means exactly or how that looks, but yeah, I think you're right to kind of zero in on that people being suspected of illegal immigration and how that could be easily expanded. And then we do end up in a place where stop and frisk is back.

Trump also wants to give police even more immunity and things of that sort. So you could end up in a really bad place where your civil liberties don't matter if you have a shade of skin that's slightly dark. If it's not just totally bright white, then maybe they think, or if you got a mustache, you look slightly Italian or something. You know, it could just open up the door to all sorts of profiling of people who are perfectly, you know, legal and doing nothing but exercising their constitutional rights.

Exactly. And really, to make it easy for people to digest who just pull away the racial aspect to it. I mean, that's obviously the relevant part of this, but it's really just about them saying, I suspect something. Nothing's proven. And so now I'm going to violate your rights.

So it doesn't matter what the real justification is. That's wrong. That's unconstitutional. And ultimately, going back to the same point from Maybury versus Madison, Supreme Court ruling, it is null and void. Something that is repugging to the Constitution

is technically not legal. Now they can pass a law all they want, but this, of course, is when we're in a illegitimate government position. It doesn't really matter, but that's important to remember. And so I think that's very alarming that we're now going back into the direction. I mean, even up 9-11 timeframe, that was also, and it was all just because, well, fear. And now we can look back and go, oh, you mean the people they were funding and if they were

working with that are now working with this area? You know, it's like, this is always how these things go. And it's not left or right. It's simply your government. And so this brings us into the conversation of the just ubiquitous surveillance satellite network, is being built around. I mean, even just this image, it really does just, it's unnerving. And like, let me play something really quickly, actually. This is, this is the image of mostly Starlink satellites and it gives you the time frame of 2019 to today to show us how rapidly,

completely unawares for most people that this is happening around us in space. We have no idea what's going up. For all, I know this is not even actually what's happening. Like, I think it's so alarming that we have no way of knowing what's actually happening. But here's what we're being told is the reality. And I find this to be terrifying in and of itself. this is 2019. And then it happens to go down. Now, you know,

minus the increasing red color, which makes it feel more ominous. It's actually pretty terrifying. Like, I don't, even if it's like a knot with negative intentions or it just, it's just like, it like makes me feel trapped.

It makes me feel claustrophobic. I don't know. That just pretty terrible. I think that is definitely terrifying, man. I hadn't seen that. But that makes sense based on what I was reading about the coverage of just how, how much it's been expanding.

And I definitely believe I touch on in this article how, you know, the thing that people don't really understand is that the SpaceX company has been partnered with the military for a long time. I mean, right after 9-11, they were launching satellites for the NRO and for other agencies of the U.S. government, which we probably are not privy to at the moment. But this isn't anything new. So from the very beginning, Elon's company, I mean, this is just another example of how he is a military industrial complex contract. Like this is all of his different devices, whether it's Starlink, which is just the commercial public version of what Star Shield really is. And I think maybe that's part of the goal, too. I mean, we can kind of look at the internet itself.

We can look at cell phones, GPS. We can look at social media. All these different tools being funded initially by the military or with help from NQTEL, the CIA's venture capital firm. And sure, they have a public use. Hey, the internet, it's fun. You can post memes and cat pictures and stuff like that. that, but then there's maybe this deeper militaristic intelligence use for it.

Same thing, right? GPS devices were used in military, military operations, and that eventually those GPS devices became connected with radios where you could communicate and track locations. And then once those transformed into what we call cell phones, smartphones, now those GPS devices, you know, radio communication. I was actually thinking about this yesterday. I was doing some research on the mafia yesterday and watch. this documentary about the lengths that they had to go to catch these mobsters in the,

uh, in New York in the 70s and 80s. And I'm talking about sneaking into people's cars, like being able to do this in 45 seconds, sneak in and put a bug in their radio, sneak into their favorite restaurant, all this kind of stuff. And now all they have to do is just get access to your phone and get the same information that they had to, used to have to work so hard for to get a bug in your house, get a bug in your car in your restaurant. They just turn on your phone and listen in. I mean, it's crazy. But yeah. Very quickly done that point, though, I would say that that's, we're past that point. Like, I legitimately think that that's maybe like the 90, like, or maybe 2000s, right, where your phone, like, they would have to add gain.

I think we're at a point where whether the phones are easily accessible or that were beyond that and we don't even understand that. Like, like, Wi-Fi 3-Mapping audio, like, we've, the World Economic Forum was doing presentations about how they can use your Wi-Fi device to like, like, not just map out what you're doing here audio, but almost like somehow, I mean, it gets crazy. But so how much. people are in a house or in a room and things of that sort, yeah. But relaying, but also like audio and like all sorts of different relaying, like spying levels that are near ubiquitous. And then talking about the satellite, everything, going into like Web 3, where all the stuff's going, like the new advancement of how the interconnected.

I mean, that's where I think we are. Sorry, I jumped in. Go ahead. No, no, you're making great points there. And, yeah, so, I mean, that's just what comes to mind when you show that video there because I've been writing about this Starlink and Star Shield. and everybody, for the most part, knows about Starlink. Like I said, they understand the public version of this,

which is like if you live in a remote place, if you have bad internet access, all you have to do is just pop up this little Starlink antenna and boom, like you've got the best internet in the world, and it's just beaming down to you from these low orbit Earth satellites, low Earth orbit. And I just want to say that because for those who don't believe in space or believe the Earth's flat,

even if you believe in that, because I've seen people say all satellites are just below, That is true. Some satellites are placed on balloons. But even if you don't, you think we're in a dome or whatever, you've seen Elon launches rockets up and they go about halfway up and they come down. The point that people need to know when they're sitting there and they're celebrating, they're like, oh my God, the space race is back.

We're going to Mars and all this sort of stuff. What he's actually doing on those Falcon 9 rockets is launching low Earth orbit satellites for the National Reconnaissance Office and for various agencies of the U.S. military and intelligence. These are, or other, yeah, I mean, the thing is we don't really know. The payloads are all classified.

We know that some of them are satellites. But on the, so the Starlink is like the public face. Star Shield is the military side of things. And so now that he's got people over the world celebrating Starlink, and we know Starlink is used in the Ukraine war there, and other aspects of that, and people are celebrating it and loving it,

and they're embracing the Teslas, which can listen in and spy on them at all. times and be turned off remotely. Now we're starting to get little trickles of information about this classified $1.8 billion contract that SpaceX through Starshield has signed with the National Reconnaissance Office. And that hasn't even been fully confirmed. It's just based on a few different sources who spoke to Reuters and to the Wall Street Journal. All signs point to the NRO. The NRO is the agency that is the U.S. government agency that handles the creation and distribution of satellites. They've been around since the 60s, but they were actually a secret

organization, much like the NSA until 1992, when they finally admitted that they were, you know, that they were putting up military satellites for different reasons. And there's a whole history that I get into in this article for those who want to know more about just some of the shady and weird things that the NRO has been connected to. But the big point here is, like you said, that they're creating that image that you showed was just the perfect illustration of that. And I did some digging. and I was able to actually find a quote, which is where the headline comes from, from the head of the NRO where he mentioned that statement that we're quoting from. So he's at this event by the Center for Strategic and International Studies,

talking about how the National Reconnaissance Office is using satellites from SpaceX, from Starshield. And this was last year. So he said from last June to December, we've probably launched 100 satellites. So we're going to going from the demo phase to the operational phase. we're really going to be able to start testing all of this stuff in a more operational way. What are they going to be doing? They are part of the proliferated architecture to go off of it and get us reasonably high resolution imagery of the earth at a high rate of speed.

Now you can't hide because you're constantly being looked at. Now, I pointed this out the other night in the context of whether it's the drone discussion we're having or anything else that we're seeing these weird developments. I mean, it's interesting he makes a point to say we're going from the demo phase to the operational phase where we're really going to be able to start testing out this stuff. So it's interesting to start seeing these things pop off. You know, like that's just one of the things to consider. But I want to ask you some questions about it.

Like first, this first is just a point to comment is that it's interesting to me that these were contracts made with the government with Elon Musk during Biden's administration. So I'd love people to highlight for me how that makes sense in the context of this outsider fighting the deep state dynamic, which clearly Biden's administration is supposed to represent. obviously you know what I'm getting at. I just think it's interesting that we can't connect those dots for some people that love these partisan narratives. Very clearly, he's a military contractor for the government. And if they were somehow different, they wouldn't be working through Biden's administration.

I think that's obvious. Did you want to comment on it at all before? Yeah, I mean, I think I referenced something to that extent. There's a line in here. I can't find it. But I basically say something to the effect of people who are defenders of Elon will just argue that he's just a smart businessman. You know, he's like, of course, yeah, who cares? He loves Trump, but if he's going to make money from the U.S. military or whatever, he doesn't care who's president.

You know, and that's smart. You know, he's just being a good guy, a good businessman. He understands his tactics. And they'll try to spin it however they want. But I think to me it more illustrates that he doesn't care who's in office because him and the people he runs with, the Peter Thiel's, the David Sachs, you know, the other technocrat class. And even now we're seeing some of the other, you know, allegedly left wing opposite side of the musk and Teal technocrat class in the last few days from Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, and Sam Altman, all donated a million dollars to Trump's inauguration, that the technocrat class doesn't care who's

in office, especially the billionaire technocrat class. They bow their heads to the Zionists, just like everybody else, just like Elon Musk did to go kiss the ring after that whole he's anti-Semitic thing last year. So yeah, they might be being smart business people, but not for the reasons you think, not because they care about us, because they care about their bottom line. They care about serving their masters. And, you know, I really think people think Trump's in control here. I think it's obvious he's being played. Now, they may stroke his ego enough to make him feel like he's the one, you know,

wow, I got the richest man in the world on my back. And he, you know, he listens to me. I put him in a position of power. Right. As if they're not, you know, already gathering so much data on everybody in all these ways. I mean, the other thing, too, just to tie it in, just in the last couple days before we recorded this, they announced that GROC is now, the AI on Twitter is now free for most people with some limitations.

And I kind of hint at this as well. And I don't know if this is where you wanted to go next, but the guy that I was just quoting from the head of the NRO, he starts talking about artificial intelligence too. And he because he basically said that now that we've got so many satellites and we have heaps of data coming in, there's no humans in the world that can keep up with this. So we're going to need help from artificial intelligence. and what I wrote here was, no doubt Elon Musk will be ready to offer some assistance in the form of data gleaned from GROC, the AI bot integrated into Twitter, which has gathered billions of

data points from the platforms, hundreds of millions of users. And I was just trying to imagine what that could do of like, you've got GROC and he's building this XAI and stuff that people are just, not only just the post they're making, but the people who are like legitimately having conversations with this thing and feeding it information. So it's getting all that data. And the military is now like, oh, we need help with everything. AI, how hard is it to imagine that the next contract from Elon Musk is, oh, hey, we'll give you access to our Groc large learning model, and you can use that to filter through all the data

you've gathered from your satellites? Or that's how it started. Yeah, maybe that's where it was already in the first place. But you know what I mean? Like, it's not that hard to see how these things connect. And I'll just quote from the guy again, he said, operating a proliferated architecture means that it's no longer possible to go off and for an individual sitting at a control Center to say, I know what the satellite is doing. So we have to have the machines go off and

help us there. We need artificial intelligence, machine learning, and automated processes to help us do that. And there's so many openings there for so many different things. But so to go back to the point to start that point, the part we just discussed, I agree with everything, but my point was more so about the idea that during Biden, that it should highlight that if the narrative that the deep state are Democrats or the Democrats are the evil side, it's important to highlight. It's important to highlight that if that's the case, then explain why they would be contracting with Elon Musk for the future of Trump's administration or why Trump and Biden are at the White House meeting, discuss how they're going to resolve Ukraine. Like it just, I hope honest people out there

who kind of fall into those circles can realize how obviously those things are being used for partisan reasons, not because it's true. And I think that's important. And that's not to say that some of these things might partly be true. It's obvious how that works. But back to the point, you had mentioned, well, you said some, some of the shady things about the NRO. Could you point that out, just at least one of the examples, because I can highlight them in the article, but I wanted you to at least give one of those examples. If I remember correctly, there were some pretty crazy stories, right, around what they were involved with. They're now contracting with Elon Musk. I think that's relevant. Yeah, I felt like it was important for people who'd never heard of the NRO to at least maybe know a little bit of the history. Like I said, they hadn't even been public till 1992, but pretty much within five years of them being public in 1996, you had a New York Times article titled A Secret Agency's

secret budget yields lost billions, officials say. And so apparently in 1995, they lost $2 billion in classified money. So that was kind of interesting thing. It made me think, of course, Catherine Austin Fitz and others who were always speaking about the trillions lost. And just here's another example of alleged money just being lost that they claimed later on, okay, we found a billion dollars of it. And there's no way to verify this as a public person.

Like obviously we can dig into the budgets, but we're talking about black projects here. These are classified above top secret budgets that most of us never have access to. And so the claim that they lost billions of dollars and then found that it's just funny. But it just as some reference to kind of give us an awareness of how much money this agency does use in 1996, so almost 30 years ago, the NRO was running a $28 billion a year black budget, according to the New York Times. So that was 30 years ago, $28 billion already being pumped into this. satellite agency here, the NRO, before, this is a few years, too, before as far as I could find their first contract with Elon Musk and SpaceX. But just the thing about that, I mean, a lot of us haven't been paying attention to these sort of things for 30 years. And while we were all,

you know, teenagers or young adults or whatever in the 1990s, mid-90s, they've got a $28 billion black budget already at that point. Most of us had never even heard of them. So, I mean, I thought that was kind of interesting. One other one that I think people may remember is, is this one of their launches of a spy satellite, which is officially known as USA 247 or NRO launch 39. This was December 2013, which was just a couple of months after the Snowden leaks were starting to happen. And they were launching this satellite.

It was being promoted by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the ODNI. And they actually tweeted out a logo for this launch, which was, again, taking place December 2013. and the logo you guys may have seen around, or there it is right now for those watching screen. The OD and I said, ready for launch, and Atlas 5 will blast off at just past 11, carrying a classified NRO payload. So that's what I mean.

They have these classified payloads. We don't know what they are. It says also CubeSats, that's satellite. So it launched satellites and in some other classified things that we don't know about. And the logo is this crazy octopus wrapping its arms all around the world with saying nothing is beyond our reach. And they have their own explanation for why they chose that. You know, they try to like, oh, well, octopus symbolizes this and that, blah, blah, whatever. But here we are.

Fast forward to what the 20, this was 2013, so 10 years later only. And we've got the head of the NRO saying with these new satellites they're launching, there's nowhere you can hide. Nothing is beyond our reach. I mean, it's right there. So just a little bit about, you know, some of the people that are, that the Elon Musk's of the world are partnering with. And, you know, one other just kind of tidbit on this is more directly related to Musk that and just to kind of, because I end the article with Hammering Home the point that he's a technocrat. He's not a hero for those who are still falling for that narrative. And I actually found this from another article when I was doing some research.

But if you go to the Tesla website and we do link this in the article on the Tesla like corporate website and there's a profile for Elon Musk, he calls himself the techno king, which, you know, he's a nerdy, weird guy. right, he's quirky, he's just being silly. He gave himself a silly title at his company. But it really reminds me of the historic technocracy movement. And I've talked about this before that what I call the technocratic state, they originally called the technate. And they said there would be a North American technate that would know how much energy everybody's using. It would allocate, you know, energy credits and all the sort of stuff that sounds real familiar now. And at the head of that would be a technocrat king at the head of the technate. And Elon calls himself the techno king. Okay, it could be nothing, but to me it's just like those little things that I feel like might end up being important in the long term.

Yeah, very much so. The last one I want to ask you, you mentioned in the article about specifically Starlink. Again, you kind of framed it as this like, you know, I'm sure in some cases it's helping people, right? I'm very suspicious about that. I don't think very few things are like that in this world from people like that. But you mentioned that the NRO or simply the government intelligence kind of apparatus is in some cases might be piggyback. on the devices. Could you explain what that means? I think that's important for possible, you know, especially if it turns out that this is not some new thing, but there's rather,

you know, like that Elon is another, oh, I'm trying to make a good analogy, but like, you know, like DARPA on the internet where it's like, he's a project of ours, kind of an idea that it was always like that from the start. So what do you mean by? Yeah. Yeah, and that's kind of what I was alluding to earlier is like, you know, like I said, the internet, cell phones, social media, these devices and these tools that are now ubiquitous in regular everyday life, they all have origins in the U.S. military and U.S. intelligence, and this could very much be another example of that. So what I was pointing out specifically is that just as of last year, SpaceX got its contract with the U.S. Space Force is apparently the first public one. There may be others, but the first public

one that we know about. And it was specifically to, quote, provide customized satellite communications for the military under the Star Shield program. And Star Shield is going to give the military access to the SpaceX Starlink satellites for one year so far. And there was an Air Force spokeswoman that told Bloomberg that this is going to, quote, provide for Star Shield, that the contract provides for Star Shield to provide end-to-end service via the Starlink constellation. So they call these satellites constellations.

And so basically they're saying, like, now that Starlink has gone up there and it's provided all this internet for different people, we're going to go ahead and now get a contract with SpaceX to let us have access to all that thing. Now, I don't know what those details mean. Does that mean that they would have access to the traffic that's being transmitted through the satellites?

I think it's absolutely possible and I wouldn't put past them. And that's another reason why to me, even if I thought, like, not that any other internet service provider out there is necessarily trustworthy, but knowing what we know about Elon Musk, it would definitely make me feel skeptical

of like having all of my data transmitted through his SpaceX network, excuse me, Starlink Network, which is part of SpaceX, which is a military contractor, and is now working even closer with the military than they ever said, they ever have before. So what I wrote was that the U.S. and intelligence will be piggybacking off the Starlink satellites, which are being sold to the average person as a convenient and fast way to access the internet. And the other point I kind of made earlier is when people are seeing, you know, like these, the rockets, Elon Musk will tweet them and they'll do a live stream all day.

Like, here's another rocket going up and I see all these people celebrating. They're not thinking about the payload that we just discussed. You go smile and clap and like, yeah, we're going to Mars because the rocket went up in the air, but you don't see where it's letting off its payload and sending out more spy satellites to help the U.S. military build the largest spy satellite constellation in the world. And I think that's what it's really about. So Starlink kind of seems like it was just the foot in the door. to get people accepting of that like what that picture showed put satellites all over the entire globe yeah it's going to help you guys have internet and we're going to end the digital divide and help poor african farmers and you know where have we heard this before uh just think of the global south and we're going to fix the world for them we promise and make it more equitable

or back to the vaccine or saving them that actually hurts them. Yeah, and then now it comes out, well, actually we're going to partner with the military and give them access to the same satellite network. Right. Well, to your point, it is a perfect example. Grock is something that is being thrown out there. You know, with something is free, it's usually, you're the product is the point, right? And so ultimately, GROC is out there, and we already know that GROC, they're using that data to facilitate their project.

So what would be the difference of him letting them look at the data that's coming through the satellites. You know what I mean? Like especially since he probably feels he's giving these things to people so he probably has a right to that. Are I willing to bet you there's something in these contracts? The problem is that people that lean into this more often than not are of the mind that these are like you said, heroes, saviors. They don't even think twice about whether there might be something nefarious going on there. And that's a problem. I don't think that's the majority, but I think there's a large group of that most definitely. So we could, let's talk about how this overlaps to kind of wrap up today, as long as we want, but about the idea of,

Not just this point, but any other points than in developing stories. Like, for example, AI being used in foreign policy situations, Palantir, Peter Thiel, and Israel, things like that. But specifically the point that seems to be really grabbing the country's mindset right now is the drone fiasco, which, I mean, I'm in no way suggesting, I mean, I think it's pretty obvious that there are drones and people are, you know, these are some of these, some of them, I think probably half. Most of the ones I keep seeing fake are coming from the Joneses and the even politicians that are sharing things that are debunked as star constellations.

It's very interesting, but there are actual real videos. So I'm not denying that there are drones, but it seems very clear that this is something that we're all being directed to focus on, almost obsess over. And whether that's the reality or not, it is clearly adding to what we just talked about. It is creating justification for surveillance,

for a satellite infrastructure that could potentially stop. These are our biometric system or any number of things that were being, or the point you made earlier, which I don't think we brought up actually. we talked about off-air, a discussion about whether this whole thing is meant to distract us from Orwellian drone legislation that's going through right now. Or I would even argue the NDAA, which gave almost over half a billion dollars to Israel for their genocide. We're not talking about these things.

So anyway, go ahead. Take the floor. What do you think about this? Yeah. I mean, as you were talking about this, I just decided, let me just go see what's happening. And over on CNN.com, like one of the top stories is what we know about the mysterious drone sightings happening over dozens of U.S. states. So right away, like this is, you know, it's kind of the messaging. Hot story of the day. Yeah, you know, that's what I'm saying. And because I've, I honestly,

we've talked about this before. I kind of, whenever there's a trending story, I'm just like, whatever, I'm not going to really pay too much attention to it. But this one isn't going away. And it seems like there's a reason for that that maybe hasn't been revealed yet. Real work. Yeah, exactly. And so, I mean, the main thing I've seen like on Twitter and elsewhere is people freaking out. Then I saw the FBI and the DHS, they put out a statement kind of downplaying what's going on. But then at the same time, there have been local officials in New Jersey and elsewhere, police and others saying, no, no, we know what we saw. We definitely saw something. You can see these images and,

you know, it's like all the different lights, which kind of look like to me, what UFO sightings used to look back the day. Like, I'm not saying all these lights are connected to one, you know, one ship or something like that. But I do, I would lean towards, the fact that this is like even this CNN article is referencing the War of the Worlds, which of course we know back of the day, War of the Worlds, there was a radio story being played and people flipped out because they thought it was a real alien invasion. I don't know if that's the kind of winking at us, you know, but I do think what you mentioned, that we saw that article that was coming from Zero Hedge and aggregated by Free Thought Project about this legislation

coming up related to drones. I think you mentioned earlier and I think I saw something on Twitter about a Pallentier drone contract that just got reported in the last couple days. There's a lot of, it seems like there's a lot of things happening with drones at the moment. It could be all just build up some panic so that whatever they're trying to pass gets through. It could be a distraction, like you said, because there's bigger things like giving more and more money to Israel and who knows what else is hidden in the latest NDA. I'm sure they didn't get rid of the indefinite detention mentioned since 2012. That's been there for over decade.

But the other thing I would say is that a lot of times these discussions are all about trying to keep people feeling scared. And what happens when people feel scared? The military gets more money. It allows the politicians to come in and argue and say, look, this is exactly why we need a space force. This is why we need to militarize space. This is why we need to have an iron dome like Israel has. You know, whatever the particular thing might be, it generally speaking in my view, like at just a basic level, not saying like because I mean there's deeper levels we could go in. Maybe this is Project Blue Beam. Maybe they are preparing us for a fake alien invasion,

things like that. But at a more base level, at the most basic level, I think it's going to give more money towards military industrial complex contractors who can come in and say, well, we can provide anti-drone equipment or we can provide better, you know, airspace protection, whatever. Yeah, there is the Red Cat contract, the one you were, that was what I was just mentioning there. So there's a lot of different angles. Overall, though, I think this is just going to be another way that either they keep us afraid and then the story stops being talked about and we never get an answer but for a couple of weeks people were afraid about it or it's used as a justification for giving the military more money and just continuing to militarize the space above us well that's exactly

the thing is you know again just like we pointed out many times today whether this is a completely random event whether they manufacture it or somewhere in the middle it the whole problem never let a good problem, go to waste example, right? Obviously, it's something that will be used. Like I pointed out with a shooting, whether, you know, sometimes there are just people that get shot. And my point is that when there's a large event, whether or not they manufactured something like that,

the government who wants to will say gun control, right? It's using something in front of you. So my point would be, and I do think there's very clear hallmarks of manipulation and all of this, but I think we're at a point where there's far less information than I'm usually seeing, like 90% of this conversation, even at like BBC and AP or like anecdotal narratives. Like the entire article is like what somebody said and what they saw.

And that seems very suspicious to me. But the obvious point you just made is that this very clearly seems to interconnect with the larger rollout of all of these things, right? The justification for, you know, their own deployment of drones that are always hovering over us to keep us safe from the bad guy drones, which is what I wrote in this, this weirdly time, just a post from Palantir. For two, says, for more than two decades, we have been providing warfighters with mission critical software and blah, blah, blah, it's drones, right? So they're literally going,

look at this new drone, you know, discussion, basically new contracts for drones for the U.S. and everybody else. And I said, hurry, hurry, rush out the good guy drones to save us from the bad guy drones. Thank you, Elon and Palantir. I just think it's very interesting. And so I recently did a conversation or yesterday did a show about this where I go over the bigger topic, but I also pinpoint highlighted some interesting connections to Israel specifically. Now, as I said in the show, I'm sure people will jump to the conclusion that I'm doing that because you think I'm focused on Israel, and there's some truth to that. I do think Israel is a very important, largely interconnected problem to a lot of the things happening in the world, but I wasn't

like I was just blindly looking for it. There were things that popped up that I think are very relevant. For example, you know, well, these are just general things. The point was I saw, there's an exercise we saw about drones with Ukraine and NATO and overlap, which was just a point about kind of a false flag dynamic. I saw that Israel is one of the leading drone providers in the world, but rarely as highlighted as that. And all these different points. And I just, I thought it was relevant. But I don't want to include in this. What you mentioned about the Palantir point is that this was just,

so this image, by the way, is from the Navy Army Navy game. And weirdly, Elon just shared this and the cropped out the Palantir thing, which I think is funny. But here's the video that they shared at that game. Did you see this, by the way, before I play it? I haven't seen this. Palantir advertisement they played at that game. Think of the timing.

Oops, where's my window. There we go. So, you know, it's just pretty ridiculous, the timing of this. You know, I mean, it's almost, like the more on the nose they make it these days, the easier it is to kind of go, that can't be the case. You know what I mean? That makes me feel more and more like this is a sci-op.

Yeah. If like, because I did, I didn't even, I didn't, I knew there was a football game and they were at it or something like that. But I hadn't seen that video. Definitely send me that tweet. I would like to share that around as well. But yeah, things like that, I don't think those things are coincidental. Elon Musk.

Like I said, the Pete Peter Thiel, the Trump, they're hanging out. There's a palliator ad. there's a Palantir commercial in the middle of the game. And think about that kind of people, the people that are there. Like, you probably got millions of people tuned into that football game just because Elon Musk and Donald Trump are there. And they keep showing them clips and they look, they're hanging out, they're waving. And all the energy that's going into that.

And the kind of person who would be at a game like that, and then they show them a commercial that, I mean, what was that other than war propaganda? I mean, that's basically just like, hey, there could be somebody coming to attack us, but don't worry, we got you. We got all these drones and they're going to save you at the same time that there's all this weird drone activity. And like your point to earlier about Elon mentioning drones before this started to happen, mentioning like a swarm of drones or something. Yeah, well, I was going to say real quick.

And the next day they post this advertisement showing that they're rolling out with some new drone program to help fight. You know, it's just problem reaction solution as lazy as you could make it. But yeah, the point was what we're saying. Oh, right here, the Zero Hodge article. So this is the, they came out the 14th. They put a new one the next day, which was saying, you know, new theory. It was about the potential nuclear bomb sniffing thing. We can get into it if you'd like, but it all seems very much up in the air right now.

And it seems like it's kind of set to manufacture this in a direction that rationalizes why this needs to happen. But at the same time, making it like bad Biden. It's a very weird dynamic. But the point was even Zero Hedge highlighted, well, let's take a step back and look at Musk's tweets. 2023, he says the drone wars are already a big deal, but we ain't see nothing yet. September 29th. Epic drone wars coming. September 30th.

Drones swarm battles are coming that will boggle the mind. Those are all there. What I find even more interesting? December 13th, this guy goes, hey, any thoughts on the mass drone sightings? So realize he's been hyping this as a very real incoming problem. And then when he asked, while it's happening, he says alien spaceships controlled by Iran, obviously.

To me, that was almost more revealing than any other answer because I keep, and this is personally, obviously, in my opinion. But I get the sense that this is a game that they're playing right now, where it's always real until it looks bad, then we were always trolling. You know, and they play that very middle line where it's like,

no, no, we were just trolling you with this thing. Either way, I find it telling that he's been telling us it's an incoming problem, the moment it starts happening, he kind of brushes it off as a joke. I don't know.

Putting it all together, I very clearly feel, at the very least, it's being taken advantage of for what they're all involved with rolling out. But, you know, anyway,

you know, any thoughts here on what you think, all the how this connects and, you know, whether we can hear about this. We are being sci up six, ways to Sunday. I can't even just like just putting everything together from you know the spyware companies from

Star Shield and the the satellite and everything. Obviously we've known drones we're going to be a big part of the the future scape for quite some time. Again, another technology that they tell us, oh, you'll never have to leave home because drones will deliver everything to your house and they only tell people the sort of public, fun, cool side of it. You'll have a personal drone assistant or a robot assistant or whatever. But clearly these things are intended to be used militarily and they will and they have been and they were during COVID drones were used against people whether that's shouting like hey make sure your social distancing go back inside or whatever I also just want to point out real quickly to a piece that our friend James Corbett also a member of the independent media alliance published last week on his website or on

his substack called the drone wars you are not prepared and it was a great timing by James because I don't know if it was related to the New Jersey stuff going on but I think he just was feeling like drawing people's attention, not only to like drones, like we're talking about unmanned aerial vehicles, but obviously drones like the quote-unquote robot dogs and they've got aquatic drones. They've got them hopping and running on things. And then now they've got, you know, they're making them. You guys might remember they've talked about making like drones the size of hummingbirds or the size of dragonflies and stuff like that. I think James does a good job in that piece pointing out just how much drones are going to be a part of the future and coming war on free humanity.

And not to make it any more alarming, but let's realize that whether, you know, kind of a fine line these days between smart dust elements to tiny drones. I mean, at what point do we lose sight of what that really means? And is it internal. I mean, my God, the world is going in some very scary directions and maybe we're already there. You know, so we're being slowly edged into what they've already done. You know, I mean, this is my worry. but so I'll just, you know, end with some points here that I think are relevant as we just talked about that ultimately Palantir very clearly is connected with the power structure and what they're rolling out.

and let's not forget that right now in Israel, they are testing this stuff. As we saw the clip from Peter Thiel like very, very uncomfortably being able to not address the fact that they're using AI to effectively kill children in Gaza. You know, in this case, their strategic partnership with Israel, this was in January of this year. This is very well into the genocide. And that's carp and teal in this picture. And that's the whole both sides of the paradigm dynamic, right? But what's worrisome is that right now in Israel and has had a rather in Gaza and Palestine,

as they have been for decades. And this is not even a secret, testing things in this area that then gets sold as battle tested. So I just want to consider and I'll even bring up this one, just the one that seems to be the most recognized, the lavender one. There's also the Habsora, which is the earlier one, but the AI machine directing Israel's bombing spree in Gaza. The Palantir, working with Israel to ultimately carry out an AI killing machine. And this is citing IDF members. So what I point is, is in Gaza right now, they're using drones. as we've seen. And I argue all of this right now is being real-time tested, and maybe we just

kind of stepped into that real-time test. And ultimately, we have the NRO highlighting that that, you know, real-time, it's operational at this point, and as well as what I showed earlier a moment ago back in just even May, Intercept was reporting, an Israeli company is hawking its self-launching drone system to U.S. police departments. And as I said recently in the conversation on my show was simply, you know, as we see this kind of Israeli tech startup deploying like chicken pox across our country, like just everywhere. We've got the carbine overlap where they're able to manipulate call center dynamics. We've got drone.

I mean, startup companies themselves, spyware inner-char. You know, my point is not to say that those are the drones, but just realize how easy it would be for something like this to become almost impossible to see with the influence coming from these foreign powers or just ask yourself whether we're being played like Derek was just highlighting. But either way, I do think it's concerning how all of this overlaps and is driving to more surveillance, more control. and so many seem to be blinded by it

because they believe the person about to step into power is on their side. I hope you're right. But leave it there for today. Anything you want to end with to leave us with on the way out, Derek? And really, I'll point out by the way,

the upcoming event that we're both going to be at. I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, yeah, that'd be great. No, I mean, I would just, I think this Red Cat and Palantir Partnership, I definitely want to look more into that and maybe I'll end up writing something about it

because I do think it's going to be intriguing because I see from one of the press releases, You mentioned Lavender, of course, but probably a few less folks remember Project Maven, which when it was first announced was a big deal because there was people from Google protesting that they didn't want to be involved and stuff like that. But Palantir, as well as other companies, were involved with the development of the Project Maven. And, you know, you've got Palantir's CTO and president bragging about how they have been,

quote, providing warfighters with mission critical software and production AI capabilities, capabilities, including Project Maven. And now they're looking forward to going forward. And interestingly, they have a program that is called warp speed. Their operating system is called warp speed. That's interesting. Yeah, who knows if that's just coincidental or not, but it does definitely feel an interesting nod.

And I tend to think there's more interconnection than we realize. But yeah, I'll include a link. I was just the people's reset link I'll include. But upcoming event we're both going to be at. And Derek, she's responsible putting this together in regard to the people. Reset, formerly known as the Greater Reset. I'm looking forward to this conversation and seeing your community, by the way, and everything going on there.

But as I said before, I think it's a very important time for this conversation. I mean, it's always been important. But the idea of, first and all, recognizing that there are alternative solutions for all the things they want you to think because there's only one path, which is their technocratic control structure, but also just that we need to actively look inward, right, into how we will improve our lives and not just call for somebody else to solve everything for us. So thank you for all that together. I'm going forward to that, brother.

Yeah, and I just want to say anybody who's interested, they can go to thepeeplemsreset.org or the greater reset.org. It'll go to the same place. We're six weeks away, pretty much as we're recording this. So there's still plenty of time to come hang out with Ryan, myself, and hundreds of other freedom lovers for more than 15 countries. Obviously, people from Mexico, it's just like Ryan said, it's a great time. If you're sick of just getting the information and just hoping that politicians are going to save you or you already know they're not going to save you and you're maybe looking for some ideas on how to get started for yourself. The People's Reset is a place to be.

And the entire event is streamed for free online for those who can't come in person. But if you can, I do encourage you to come hang out, get connected, attend some workshops, listen to some talks, meet some cool people and go home feeling activated. So thanks again, brother, for letting me come on today. And hopefully people are going to pay more attention to Paragon Solutions and to Star Shield because based on what I've seen from writing these articles, there's not too many people who are even aware of these companies. Yeah, I definitely agree, and I hope that this opens people's minds.

So thanks again, Derek, for joining, and we'll see you next time. As always, question everything. Come to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant.