The Last American Vagabond - Derrick Broze Interview - The MAHA Fluoride Failure & The Zionist/Technocratic Trump Administration

Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to the Last American Vagabond, Derek Rose, joining me today to get caught up on a ton of topics, sort of thinking about the way I discussed things with Charlie Robinson, as I'm bringing Derek into the show today. We discussed starting sort of around, I think it was a GMO discussion, something going on with Mexico in regard to the foreign policy of it all. And we may touch on that today. But so much has changed since last we decided to set this interview up that we decided to kind to broaden it out and just talk about a few different things, including his recent work,

Starting point is 00:00:51 which was one of the main focal points. But it really is just worth noting on how seemingly intentionally chaotic the news cycle Liz, which definitely works their favor. But Derek, good to have you back on, brother, to talk about some of your upcoming work and what you've already put out. How are you? I'm doing great, man.

Starting point is 00:01:07 Thanks for having me back. Yeah, actually, before we get into your fluoride work, as well as your technocratic Trump administration work, I want to give you a quick opportunity to address what you've been working on with the pyramid of power because we haven't much touched on that on the show other than a couple of points in, you know, later in the interviews to discuss what you've been working on.

Starting point is 00:01:28 So lay this out for people that haven't seen this on my show, maybe you haven't seen the work you've done on it, because we often talk about solutions. We talk about empowering yourself and ways to kind of circumvent all this mind control going on today. So I feel like this is one of the places that I often direct people. So you have the floor. Thank you. I appreciate that, brother. Yeah. So for anybody who doesn't know or hasn't seen, I heard me talk about it, this is a documentary series, a 17-part documentary series that I've been working on for the last five years.

Starting point is 00:01:55 It originally was a presentation I was giving back. in 2018, it turned into a two and a half hour presentation, focused on trying to answer, we're really trying to describe the various infrastructure, the people, the institutions, the organizations that attempt to rule our world. And as I said, it turned into a two and a half hour presentation. After a while, I realized maybe there's a better format to do this.

Starting point is 00:02:18 And so we started focusing on turning into a documentary series. And I began releasing the episodes in 2021. And we've released, as I said, six, episode so far. So we did it in seasons of four, four episodes at a time. And the general idea was that we would start really simple and basic. So the first episodes on the education system, second one's on the establishment media, big tech. And it gets progressively more complex and deeper as you work your way up the pyramid as I describe it. And everything I will say, as with all my work, is of course, backed with sources and documented facts and all the links are

Starting point is 00:02:52 there in my transcript. People can find it at the pyramid of power.net. I will mention we are in the process of rebuilding the website. So if you look at it on mobile right now, it doesn't look perfect. But if you look at it on desktop, I don't know if you can put it up, Ryan. It looks amazing. We've got this really beautiful 3D pyramid that people can, you can basically, you know, you can use the typical navigation or you can use this 3D pyramid to sort of select where you want to go. And as I said, each episode originally was intended to be 30 minutes or less. And I think we did that for the first 10 episodes. As we've gotten deeper and deeper into subject matter it's obviously got a little bit more complex and a little bit more difficult to keep with

Starting point is 00:03:28 that timeline so the rest of the episodes 10 through 16 are in the range of 35 to 45 minutes and now we're at the point where we're releasing the conclusion the 17th episode which is actually two parts and volume 1 and volume 2 volume 1 is available you can find it there on the website if you scroll down a little bit you should see an enter button there you go so we're still getting that sized up and formatted right but you can kind of see what I'm saying they're like if you click on any of those It'll open up the episode. It'll give you a little intro and show you kind of description. So we put a lot of effort into it.

Starting point is 00:03:59 We're going to be turning into it. I like the setup for sure. Yeah, we're going to be turning that into a DVD menu. Essentially, you know, what is this for somebody who's never seen it before? You know, so it's multi, multi-phase, multi-released, essentially not just about information and source material, right, but essentially trying to give people, you know, explain to what you think this would achieve if somebody were to sit through all of it and absorb all of it. What would they gain from that?

Starting point is 00:04:24 Well, I think they would gain, well, let's say, if you're, oh, I'm sorry, that was on my end. Hold on a second. You've probably been hearing this music play the entire time. Sorry about that. My mistake. I muted my end and I thought I was muted on yours. Sorry, go ahead. Please. Let me phrase that in case you.

Starting point is 00:04:44 Did you hear what I asked? Yeah, I did. I could hear you. The music was muted. I wasn't muted. I mean, I could hear you, but not myself. Yeah. So, I mean, if somebody goes to this series at the pyramid of power.net, we also have an honest.

Starting point is 00:04:54 Odyssey channel. That's got all the episodes there as well. And let's say they are completely new to this information. The idea would be you go from being just a normie trusting in the governmental corporate systems to by the end of it. At the very least, you're questioning everything. I mean, that's truly why I designed this and made it in this way where it could start out really simple and then progressively get deeper and deeper because ideally if somebody's consuming this by the end of it, they're going to be like, okay, yeah, there's definitely some things I need to rethink and I need to question. And what I was explaining before, one of the things that I really like about the way that

Starting point is 00:05:26 this ended up working out is, you know, I tried to make every episode 30 minutes or less. And that was very intentional because I wanted to make it for the, you know, the Netflix generation, for the binge generation. So you get sucked in now that there's 17 episodes and we're going to be releasing 17 part two in the next coming weeks, you could literally just sit down and watch every single one, one after the other. And I've had a lot of people say that to me and email me that once they discover it, because As I mentioned, I've been releasing it over the last five years, but I haven't really marketed it.

Starting point is 00:05:53 I've just been focused on finishing it. So now that it's coming to an end, I'm going to be doing more interviews. We're going to be turning into a DVD series. We're going to be releasing companion book version of it, doing a lot of work to really push it out there. But I've heard everything, you know, people say like this completely woke me up. This changed everything I thought. Or maybe people who are kind of veteran researchers like ourselves, it's information that's familiar to them, but they're learning new facts along the way, right?

Starting point is 00:06:16 because the whole idea was how do I take the best information that already exist? Because when it comes to a lot of these topics, like, for example, there's an episode on the banking cartels and the Federal Reserve and stuff. There's already G. Edward Griffin's book, The Creature from Jacko Island, James Corbett's got a great documentary. I wanted to take the best information that already exists out there and condense it down and then, of course, add my own original research and not reinvent the wheel when I didn't need to.

Starting point is 00:06:41 So show credit, do credit to other books and documentaries out there. Do it in 30 minutes or less. and then every episode also ends with suggested solutions. If you're concerned about big wireless, consider these things. If you're concerned about the food systems, look at these options, right? And so that's kind of the whole idea. It's not just to give people the dark, scary, bad information, but it's truthful, it's honest, it's real information, but also to try to say, here's some ideas and things we could do about it.

Starting point is 00:07:06 So now, as I mentioned, we've released all 16, and in the conclusion, Chapter 17, it actually turned into a three-hour documentary, so we decided to release that into two parts. Volume 1 is available already on the website and on our Odyssey channel and on the Conscious Resistance.com. That's about 45 minutes long. And in the final, final conclusion where we're kind of answering that question of, well, who is at the top will be out in the coming weeks. And that features everybody from David, David, Ike, Mark Passio, Larkin Rose, Carrie Wedler,

Starting point is 00:07:37 Catherine Austin Fitz is in there, Professor Richard Spence, Adam Green. I know I'm forgetting more people, but it's like Richard. Grove. I mean, there's just a dozen or more really talented and really powerful researchers in their own area. And what I like about it, which is surely to disappoint all kinds of people who think they know for certain who's at the top of the pyramid, I have a different, you know, we go through the Jesuits, we go through the masons, we go through the Jews, through all these different areas, the sort of the Satanists or, you know, people like David Ike, who thinks it's some kind of more otherworldly thing. And we give each of them a say. And I look at, hey, here's what we can

Starting point is 00:08:14 prove when it comes to claims that it's the Jesuits, here's what's less credible and here's what we can debunk. And so if people are coming into this, very certain they know who it is, they might be annoyed and say, oh, Derek's a shill. He didn't point at my favorite enemy. But if you're coming into this with an open mind and really wanting to look at all the research that's available, I think you're going to enjoy it because I strive to be as objective and to not shy away from any controversial topic, including the claim that it's the Jews. And to really look at that, what are the sources of those claims? What is there's a history of those claims? And is there any truth to that? And so I'm really excited. It's already completed. My editor's

Starting point is 00:08:48 working on it night and day right now. As I mentioned, we're turning all the scripts right now into the book version, which will hopefully be out by Christmas for people who want a physical book version of it. And I would mention the book actually, because the final episode turned into three hours long, we had to cut a whole bunch out of it to make it palatable because, you know, the other episodes are 30, 40 minutes long. This one, I figured it's the conclusion. We're going to go big but still it turned into two hours 45 minutes so we split it into two volumes but for the book version i kept everything i included my in my original script that was cut from the video version so for people who are kind of super nerds about this history and research and want to learn all those

Starting point is 00:09:27 extra little tidbits that we cut from the the video version that will be included in the book version nice yeah and that's kind of what i was getting at is the is the the culmination of like the power structure concept and i think that's just a fascinating and i love the way you're doing this in regard to not absolute, you know, but really just here are, there are multiple valid opinions on power structures and how these things work. As I think I've come to feel over the years, it's clearly multifaceted. I mean, there's just really no way in any sense it seems to come down to one ultimate thing. And so I just find this very important.

Starting point is 00:09:59 And so it's nice that people can, you know, have that gradual build into it. So that's that's bad. And I'm glad for Christmas, by the way. So I have to. That's what I'm hoping for, yeah. Yeah. I kind of feel like just one more thing on that. I kind of feel like this is, I mean, just in general, this is one of the biggest projects I've

Starting point is 00:10:13 ever taken on. I've done documentaries, individual documentaries, obviously articles and other books, but to have something this massive, which altogether is, I think we're over 10 hours worth of content and it's available completely free. I put it out, you know, there's no charge to watch it. It's not behind a paywall. Of course, if people want to buy a DVD or a book, there'll be cost for that. But I believe that I will probably be promoting this for the rest of my life because it's meant to be evergreen. It's not dependent on who's president at the time. or anything like that, the content will live and breathe, you know, as long as it's available on the internet or people have a DVD or a book about it. And the other just really beautiful,

Starting point is 00:10:49 unexpected benefit that I am just so grateful for is that people have told me that they've used it to homeschool their kids and, you know, that they literally have assigned them like, hey, watch episode seven and write an essay on it and things like that. And in fact, earlier this year back in May, when everybody was graduating from school, I actually got invited to go to the graduation of one of these homeschooling students who his parents literally used the pyramid of power for his government curriculum. And I actually got to go hang out in person and meet them and, you know, just hang out for a bit and wish this young dude well on his, you know, his life journey that he's about to begin. But it's just such an empowering, you know, really grateful

Starting point is 00:11:26 feeling to see that, okay, it's helping people. It's actually reaching people. And that's what I intended. Right. I love that. I mean, that's like it made me think of something and like the contradictions today more than ever. obvious ways today between what you're taught, like even like a Christopher Columbus type point to what we know and can literally discuss, but it's now, you know, the over-to-windows move. Like, we all know that that's generally not really how that went down with Columbus, for example, you know, but yet it's still, like these are confounding wellness. That's kind of what I was touching on.

Starting point is 00:11:56 I think before we went live, and it's like, you know, how do we just let that continue? We all know that's not accurate, but yet then you get pushed back from teachers. You know, so my point is that you have these situations right now where what you're teaching, the truth, and I mean, you know, sourced truth about who is involved in what and so on, and then conflicting or rather contradicting what's being taught in school. And then having that be taught to children and then having that moment where if they are, you know, the homeschool and this part makes the difference. But let's say they're in school and then bringing that information into a classroom.

Starting point is 00:12:25 It's an interesting conflict because you can prove that they're right, but yet they're being taught something else. It makes me think of a thing I'm seeing online right now between, I think it's Crenshaw with the iPatch and Dave Smith, whatever you think, of Dave Smith, the point is he's saying things that are correct about basic things of foreign policy or just generally speaking that like, let's say the U.S. government's not spreading freedom around the world. Like these are childish things we're still spreading. And he points out a basic fact and Crenshaw responds with like the cartoon U.S. government narrative that nobody believes. And it's just

Starting point is 00:12:55 entertaining to watch the response in the comments. You know, he thinks he's standing there with like the whole world behind him. And everyone's like, nobody thinks that anymore. You know, long point. But what's interesting is to see this contradiction right now between the mainstream desperate. trying to maintain that information and what everyone else is coming to terms with. I feel like that point applies to just like everything in the conversation right now. But back to the point, your pyramid of power is that actual information base versus the everybody else, rather the mainstream yelling about it. So it's interesting to see, you know.

Starting point is 00:13:22 Have you seen me that? Is it definitely not the Disney version of history for sure. Have you seen any of that in regard to the, you know, the. I haven't seen that with Dave Smith and Crenshaw going back and forth, but I'm not surprised because there's, yeah, there's still people out there who try to uphold. these different narratives. And, you know, I think that this might take us somewhere else, but we'll see where it goes. Like, I think that, like, what you mentioned there as far as Columbus, right? Columbus Day just passed. And some people celebrate, or, you know, Thanksgiving's about to

Starting point is 00:13:49 come, right? And some people celebrate Indigenous Day on Columbus Day. And for me, I can kind of empathize and connect to that because I think it's a way to sort of twist the whole narrative. We've been taught Christopher Columbus is a really great guy, but, you know, sort of historical revisionism, people taking an honest look at him, you realize, okay, he was kind of a plunderer, a rapist, you know, all this sort of things, a murderer. So there's a revisiting of who he was. But then unfortunately what happens is I noticed that the people who will say will embrace or promote indigenous people's day instead of Columbus Day, they might lean more left or progressive or, you know, just center even, right? And then the sort of right wing and even some people in the so-called freedom movement, they see that

Starting point is 00:14:29 and they kind of look at that as, oh, that's woke, that's all that woke garbage. So let's push back against that and let's embrace Columbus even more. You know, that's like he's, it's, it's just this kind of pushing pool. So if the other side's calling out something, even if they're correct, even if the facts are right, okay, Columbus wasn't what we were taught, then there's this like instinct to kind of cling to the narrative view and even tighter. Like, no, no, no, we can't let those woke people take our Columbus Day from us, even if it's like, is that really something we want to celebrate?

Starting point is 00:14:56 Right. I don't know. It just, it gets into that whole, you know, into the whole bipartisan fold that is everywhere. I think it's very much by design. and I think it works both ways. We could find examples going the other direction. And I think what's important to point out right there is, you know, it's a trap, obviously. And it's for, I think, weak-minded people to think that's, you know, we're Democrat bad,

Starting point is 00:15:16 therefore, whatever they point to is good. You know, it's very, very simple. But what's interesting, if you think of it like with Gaza and Israel, for example, is you have a lot of Republicans who in other ways have been calling for no war and peace president. And yet in a weird contradiction, it's everywhere, are like, yay colonialism like that because the left supports the other side of it. therefore we can't be weak snowflakes, so more war, but peace president.

Starting point is 00:15:37 It's like there's just so many confounding things in the conversation right now. And I argue again, as I'm a broken record these days, that's why the average people are very aware that it's not more being told, which is a positive thing, but it is an interesting time. But so I'll make sure include all that in the show notes, including from your website, and I'll include, by the well, as well, your thread and ongoing thread in T-Lab, all your different articles will get into. but here's Pyramid Power on your website as well as your general site.

Starting point is 00:16:06 Can I just mention one more thing about the pyramids since you have that link pulled up? Actually, that link you're showing there real quick before we move on. I just released that yesterday. As I mentioned, we're very, very close to finishing the final episode of the pyramid. But my editor, he's having trouble finding certain images because, as we know, the internet gets scrubbed and things like that. And so all that video is that you're showing there, the Pyramid of Power crowdsource effort, which people can find at theconsciousresistance.com slash crowdsource, all one word. It's literally just a list of some of the different scenes and some of the images and videos he's looking for.

Starting point is 00:16:37 And there's an email address attached there. If you're interested in helping us, you know, find some images as we're on the final stages of that final episode. Just go to the Consciousresistance.com slash crowdsource. Check out some of the things we're looking for. If you happen to see them or nowhere, we can find them, feel free to email us. And that will help us bring it to a conclusion. How funny is that? I've dealt with the same thing where I can't find an old clip from a show that I had because it was censored.

Starting point is 00:17:01 from YouTube or, you know, and you'll find somebody out there has saved. You know, it's just, yeah, credit James Corbett, I feel like he's the one that started all of that and it's fantastic. But so all be included, by the way, and I hope you will take the time to check this stuff out. I want to start before we get into actually just your work in general with the, both the fluoride discussion as well as technocracy, but you and I haven't touched on this.

Starting point is 00:17:23 I just wanted to get your brief thoughts, I'm sure we're probably somewhat in the same position, but there is recently an update around Epstein and Cash Patel. There was floating the idea that cash was going to be fired, but Trump today recently said that he's doing great. But who knows whether that's the case or not. I only include that because I do think the cash is sort of on the chopping block. But this is a clip where he's basically saying, I'll play it real quick. I think I have it where he's basically just reiterating that, you know,

Starting point is 00:17:48 well, we're only going to release what we are legally allowed to release, which is not inaccurate, but it's the opposite of what everyone's saying is about to happen. I'll play this. Then we can just kind of talk on where, you know, where you think this is generally going or it looks like maybe I didn't grab it. I'll grab it right now. But, you know, what your thoughts on where you think the Epstein case is going in general and, you know, whether you think it's ever going to come out,

Starting point is 00:18:09 all the different ways this is being used. Oh, sorry, this on the screen, huh? Sure. Yeah, I mean, I'll share some thoughts while you get that together. Yeah, I mean, as far as this whole, I see what the clip is saying that maybe Patel, you know, cash is not kind of being forthcoming if we're actually going to follow the letter of the law, which has been this whole, you know, saga going on, right?

Starting point is 00:18:30 I will say, I've seen people saying for a couple of months now that the way that Thomas Massey and Roe kind of wrote the law, I'm sure you've covered this, that there's just a single mention of unclassified in there that some people say, look, they've kind of already built it in that says they will only release unclassified documents, which is standard procedure. And Thomas Massey actually did address that at the press conference I went to a couple once ago. He basically said, yeah, he said, like, if I don't include that, then they're not going to pass the law. Because if we just say, we'll get any documents at all, and, you know, whether or not we agree with them or not, I mean, that's just, that was his argument. I'm just,

Starting point is 00:19:03 I get it. No, it's not inaccurate, but I hate that. That's politics and I hate it. Go ahead. Yeah, exactly. He had to acknowledge, he's like, look, if I don't play the game a little bit, if they think that I'm just going to release anything, then it will never, you know, see, it'll never see the light of day. And then, of course, the right wing and Johnson and all these freaking I these politicos they just they play the left right game and they were saying for a while the way the bill was written it's going to you know harm a victim's name release victims names even though the uh rocana and massey specifically wrote in protections for victims names and then of course once trump said hey you guys should all vote for this they all fell in line and the senate

Starting point is 00:19:37 did it unanimously i just hate how much of a freaking game it is and and what i hate even more is how the cue people which still are limping along and these other people and just in maga not even cute people but maga i know you saw the same things i saw we're trying to spin it into like no this is actually trump did this pretended to be against it because that's the only way he could get the democrats to embrace it which completely ignores the fact that trump was president in 2016 in 2020 he could have released the files at any point a president has that power like if he could have done it anytime this year he could have done it day one in office he didn't need to play some 40 chess of let me be against it to get the democrats to be for it so then we'll go ahead and

Starting point is 00:20:16 And Pat, like, he could have just released it if that was really his goal. So there's just a lot of bullshit going around when it comes to this conversation. And overall, like, yeah, I'm glad that things are moving forward. I did read an article yesterday how as part of this bill passing, they're even now going back to the grand jury records. The grand jury records related to the indictment of Gilaan Maxwell, which previously a judge had said, you know, wouldn't be able to be released. But now with this new law, they're, you know, they're saying within 30 days they're supposed to comply within the law. So now all the different courts which have Epstein records are being forced to kind of revisit everything they have and to adapt what can't be released. So I think something's going to come out of this.

Starting point is 00:20:55 I don't think there's going to be, and I've never thought this about the Epstein stuff, but there's going to be some brand new document with a picture of Epstein and Trump, you know, molesting young girls or Clinton doing it. Like anybody who's waiting for that sort of thing, I think you've been led astray. But sure, are we going to find more pieces of the puzzle? Yeah, we will. I mean, even with the recent documents that were released by the House over. committee, the 20 something thousand pages, which, by the way, there is one website I found that actually put that into a searchable format because of anybody who's actually seen the way

Starting point is 00:21:25 they release them, it's just file, file, file, file, folder, folder, you know, it's a whole lot to download. There's nothing searchable. I know some people feed them to AI and try to search, but I did find one website that put them in a searchable format so you can search, for example, Les Wexner or Jean-Loup Bernal, and you can see all the documents. I've been using that to kind of go through them and see if there's any interesting pieces of the puzzle. But overall, I don't expect any, you know, groundbreaking information to be coming

Starting point is 00:21:50 out one way or the other. But nevertheless, in terms of this being an issue that 10 years ago, people called crazy and nobody wanted to listen to us. And now it's front page news of all the corporate media. I know we have a lot of skeptical people and people who are pessimistic about anything positive happening. So they think, you know, we're being set up for a whole controlled limited hangout. Sure, probably, more than likely. But I still think that there's a little bit of silver lining the fact that they couldn't kill this issue. In fact that for all the team sports politics and, you know, I'm not saying like Thomas Massey, yes, put all our hope in him and Marjorie Taylor Green and whatever else, but the fact that Trump lost against his own people,

Starting point is 00:22:27 like, I mean, this is really a time where Trump couldn't make this go away and you don't have to buy into some he did this to secretly blah, blah, whatever. Massey and Rokana and Marjorie Taylor Green beat him. That's just what it comes down to. They beat him at this and he's pissed off. And, you know, again, I never really like Marjorie Taylor Green. I talked to her briefly in September at the press conference. But to see somebody like her stand on principle and there's other problems with her, she's invested in Palantir and all those other stuff. But in this case alone, I mean, I take a little bit of a silver lining to see Trump kind of get defeated here.

Starting point is 00:23:00 Yeah. And I agree that, you know, I mean, you can't make sense of it was a 40 chest move because you can watch the steps along the way. Not only is it not even like congruent. Like it's not logically like this was reactive, but it also made. them look really stupid more than once. I find it hard to believe that was the plan and it worked perfectly, you know, so it's, but, you know, of course we should consider that. But as it continues forward and also using the entire history of the Q conversation and all the precedents of how

Starting point is 00:23:27 many, how often it never comes to play. You know, it's just, it's silly to keep thinking this is the case. But also let's not forget that Trump right on time played into Q all day on true social retweeting all these Q memes. And I think there's obviously, I saw that. Right. And I think that was done. I said to somebody because every time something like this happens, the P, the Q people will tag me and be like, oh, yeah, so it's a sci-up. And I'm like, guys, don't you see that this dude is literally losing. He's getting defeated. His numbers are going, you know, poll approval numbers are going down. And all he has to do is post some Q memes. And in that crowd's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, look, here it is. It's confirmation. To me, it's just like, of course they know about what Q is. And they're just stringing along people. I mean, I've argued that for years that, yeah, Trump knew about Q, but not because he's part of some secret. super secret military operation, but because using all the data they learned from Cambridge

Starting point is 00:24:18 Analytica, which goes back to Steve Bannon in the first term, they realized how they could perfect their messaging to create this narrative that he was a secret, you know, agent against the deep state. And, you know, every time he seems to be suffering or, you know, suffers a defeat like in the obscene thing, you'll see the Q kind of narrative pop back up. And I think it's just a way to keep stringing his people along so they can try to explain away all the faults of Trump and the areas where he's falling short. Yeah, I still don't think that's a majority, to be honest, but it's definitely a rabid part of it, and I agree.

Starting point is 00:24:48 I think it's just stoked every time, you know, how easy is that? Something completely blows up in their face and they go, but Q and they go, oh, then it was planned. You know, it's like without even like a logical connection to that. It's just that must have been planned because what else would it be, you know, but yeah, this is typical team sport politics, right? It's partisanship. People fall into this.

Starting point is 00:25:05 They want a hero, you know? But here's the clip, by the way, that I was going to pull up. And it's exactly what you were talking about, by the way. It's either addressing the 30-day window and then the way he describes it. And I'm glad I just remembered. I wanted to point out that so the unclassified point is definitely part of that. And I understand the logic to what Massey said. I still don't agree with it.

Starting point is 00:25:23 I think it's frustrating. Let them push back on the bill. Let them stop it and then make that the point. You know what I mean? But either way, that on top of that, there was about three other things that could slow this down. I don't have in front of me right now, but I know one was the unclassified point. One, or there was two other examples of like if there's information that points to, you know, victims, for example, but let's not forget that Massey has this huge, I think there's 20 of them

Starting point is 00:25:45 that are there with them going, we don't, we want our information put out, right? They were in that press conference. They're like, we're public. We're putting our own base out there. We want that out. Now, there's other people, I'm sure, in there, but then release at least all of the information without their names redacted because they're saying that's okay. But I think they're using that as an excuse or just the idea of like violent imagery, which I'm just thinking like violent imagery. There's a genocide you're supporting and you go, look at it's on every news channel. So I think there's many examples within that that opened that door for them to be, you know, we won't release it. Also, just the term national security. I'm sure you saw that too, right? National security.

Starting point is 00:26:19 That's a huge one. Obviously, they can drive a truck through national security. Yeah. Johnson came out and said, and it was right before they went through this, but Johnson came out and said, well, the CIA is supposed to be the one to decide, so they can't even do it until the CIA checks off. So it's, and here's the clip, and you'll see how this seems to be obviously set up to be, we're going to give you some redacted pages and say that ends it like they've tried four times already. Epstein Files Transparency Act has a very tight deadline, 30 days to produce unclassified records. Will the FBI meet the 30-day deadline? Well, we are working with our partners at the Department of Justice to produce, as we've always committed to producing what we can

Starting point is 00:26:53 lawfully, legally produce, and we will continue to meet those metrics, reminding the public that there are court orders in place, protective orders, and orders to seal in place. Now, correct me if I'm wrong. I believe he's still referring to the Florida point, which Massey already proved as only applies to Florida. That's the sealing part, by the way. But I could be wrong and there's something new. But I think he's still pointing to that, acting like that's sealed across the country. Well, there's definitely some areas that have been sealed. And one of them is including what I mentioned earlier about the grand jury indictments related to Gilain Maxwell, because those have never been released. And it is true that typically grand jury indictments

Starting point is 00:27:35 and proceedings are typically secret. It's a big problem with grand juries. It's supposed to be for protection, but those never really see the light of day. But even under the passing of this new law, there was an article out yesterday at courthouse news. That was the judge basically responding. And she's apparently going to,

Starting point is 00:27:52 she's given, I think, both sides of the government and Gillane Maxwell's side till December 4th to respond. And then she's expected to rule by December 10th. So they still have some discretion in terms of what they want to release. which they could say, okay, we're going to withhold these three because of whatever reasons and we're going to release the rest. So there's some truth to that. But the bill, now that's been signed by Trump, it compels all agencies of the U.S.

Starting point is 00:28:17 government to release pretty much everything they have except for those few, or at least they're supposed to be few, very rare exceptions. And as we both know, that could be everything. You know, it's very easy to couch what you need to be in the places you're not supposed to see. Let me finish this and I'll make a comment about what I expect. that legally prohibit the disclosure of information related to any investigation when there's a court order of that fashion. So we're working with DOJ to say if we can produce anything more.

Starting point is 00:28:44 As FBI director, will you commit to as few blacked-out sections or redactions as possible? We always do. We have in our productions to Congress, which have been historic to this year, and we'll treat every matter in the same fashion, while also upholding always victims' rights, victims' rights in any case, whether it's President Trump's case, this case, or any case, the victim's rights statutes are preeminent, and we will protect those victims at all cost. President Trump told your boss, Attorney General Pam. The same victims who are calling him out right now, by the way. Bondi, to look into the relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and Democrats, including former

Starting point is 00:29:20 President Bill Clinton, is the probe limited to Democrats, or will you follow the facts wherever they lead? We'll just follow the facts. It's pretty simple for this FBI. So more charges are possible. in the Epstein case. Based on the new referral, we'll take a look at that and see what evidence comes. But there's an important distinction. The information that the government possesses versus the information that the Epstein estate possesses. Those are two separate boxes of information.

Starting point is 00:29:49 And the Epstein estate has not been willing to share information with the U.S. government. And so even though we've requested them to do so. Okay. Let's talk about that last part. Go ahead. That last part sounds like bullshit to me because the House Oversight Committee files that were just released last week or the week before, that 20,000 that I mentioned came from the Epstein estate because they've been subpoenaed earlier this year. And this is another point I've been making about the people who are claiming it's 5D Chess or whatever, that it is true that under the Democrats are going back to Bush, you know, Bush's the end of Bush's first second term. That's when Epstein first got arrested.

Starting point is 00:30:28 You know, nobody knew about it back then. but if he wanted to, he could have released them. And then during Obama's two terms, he could have released any files that were relevant. And then obviously Trump's first term, Biden, et cetera. So it's been both parties. People who try to make it a left or right thing, they ignore that both parties had opportunities. But finally, this year, they did subpoena the Epstein records from the Epstein estate. And the estate, I think, has been fighting the release of some files, but they are, that 20,000 that we mentioned, that came from the estate.

Starting point is 00:30:56 So his idea that they're not giving anything over, it's not. At least it's not entirely accurate, let's say. But I don't understand how that legally makes sense. So we're talking about an estate that was seized upon by the FBI because of a sexual blackmail criminal network, right? These are crimes being committed. And he's arguing that they're just left at the mercy of whether they decide to hand over information. I mean, I'm not a lawyer, but that does not sound like it legally makes sense to me.

Starting point is 00:31:20 No, I don't think it's accurate. And that's what I'm saying. I think he's just deflecting there and kind of trying to shift the blame and say, well, if Epstein and them don't release it, then we can't, if his estate, his brother and family don't release it, then we're not going to get access to it, but you're right. I mean, using the force of the government, the head of the FBI, right? This is supposed to be the nation's top law enforcement agency.

Starting point is 00:31:39 They can compel them to release all kinds of things, and they have been. I think that he's sort of, he's trying to add as many caveats ahead of time so that when the obvious, it comes up and there's certain redactions or a lack of files or people say, well, we got this, but not this, then he can say, well, I told you guys ahead of time.

Starting point is 00:31:56 I told you there's going to be these different restrictions and it just, he's trying to save face in advance. It's interesting, though. I mean, I'm sure there could be something that might make that make sense, but at the end of the day, you know, it's how that is used. And you're right. I mean, it really does open another door for him. Do you think that he is ultimately your opinion going to be thrown to the bus?

Starting point is 00:32:18 I think it's possible. I've seen the same rumors being reported that you mentioned about him being on the way out. And they said that the mainstream media said that a couple of months ago, too. We haven't seen anything happen. And there's, you know, apparently been conflicts between him and Pam Bondi and Dan Bongino and stuff like that. You know, I guess we'll wait and see, right? But I think that while the first time Trump was in office and he did get rid of a lot of people infamously, you know, there's people being fired left and right. What they tried to claim back then, well, Trump was inexperienced.

Starting point is 00:32:47 And so the deep state put people in there, blah, blah. So I think this time, though, since he literally got his, you know, his big, his mandate from the American public and built this coalition with all these. different people coming together. I don't think he wants to have that same kind of narrative of like, oh, Trump's just firing everybody when it's the people that not only he claimed he wanted, these weren't deep state agents, you know, that's what we were told. And then these are the people the MAGA base wanted. Remember how big of a campaign there was to put Dan Bongino and they're put Cash Patel, they're going to clean house, et cetera. I think that there's a, you know, it wouldn't be surprising to see him, you know, get tossed under the bus, but I also think

Starting point is 00:33:23 there's a potential where Trump is trying to also save face and doesn't want the people that he chose. to, you know, to look bad, right? Or for him to look bad for choosing them. Yeah, no, it's a good point. I agree. And I think they're playing that. That's their calculus right now. But, you know, is it worth it?

Starting point is 00:33:37 You know, but I think if they had to, yeah, I think that's, I would argue right now, someone like a Bondi or a Cash Patel are the ones that are the weakest link and potentially the ones that I don't think they would care to throw them out of the bus. But I think you're right. I think it's an effort to try to make it appear as if this is all going the way that they planned with the counterbalance being of the rest is just Democrat lies and narratives. But yeah, I do think that I would argue that if this goes worse, if this continues to hurt them, that he'll be the scapego. I think that's clear.

Starting point is 00:34:05 But yeah, it's a crazy conversation, right? I mean, it's like you said, this is a win no matter how you look at it because whether it's just this one topic or just the independent media in general, it's pretty clear that the independent media is setting the conversation in many ways. And that's despite having, you know, look, think of the resources and the influence and the algorithmic censorship. And yet these things are still breaking through. I don't know how we don't stand back and see that is what we're always talking about, Derek, that this is changing in front of us and they're just trying to hide that for everybody. You know, it's very interesting. But let's talk about one of those examples.

Starting point is 00:34:39 And this is one of these, this is one of these conversations that you are spearheading, you know, that what it is a window into the change, right, is that you could see this happening even before the maha momentum, right? Where there's something that, well, let's just even say before Trump, I'm looking at this is like a government, you know, not left or right, because I see it all as one thing, but people started to recognize that these things were not being done for your interest or that they were lying to or like these large ones, like chem trails or fluoride in your water, you know? And so this really did start to open that door. But now with the overlap of Maha and that Trump's administration, as you've been highlighting more than

Starting point is 00:35:14 anybody, is absolutely continuing the same thing. It's just, it's a powerful moment. And so you recently put this out, this was today, fluoride lawsuit plaintiffs pushed back against Trump EPA in ongoing litigation. So start wherever you like. Yeah. So I won't recap the entire past 10, almost 10 years. It's been nine years now since this whole thing started. But for regular TLAB viewers, you guys are familiar that there has been this big historic federal lawsuit taking place, really trying to get fluoride out of the water is what it comes down to it. It was led by Food and Water Watch, the Floyd Action Network, and the

Starting point is 00:35:47 attorney Michael Connett, who we've talked about quite a bit on the show. And I do really want to encourage people to go back to the TLAB archives and watch our previous interviews, read some of my previous articles, because there's a lot of layers here. And even just getting to this point where last September, a federal court said that fluoride at 0.7 milligrams per liter poses an unreasonable risk to neurodevelopment of children. That's a quote from the court itself. That was a huge fight. And everything I documented prior to that, which we covered on TLAB, includes the CDC and the the oral health division of the CDC trying to hide this report from coming out, the National Toxicology Program report.

Starting point is 00:36:25 We had scientists on the inside having to fight to get their report to have the conclusions they were finding. And the only reason we even know about that is because of this lawsuit. So I give a big, you know, big thanks to Michael Conant and his team and everybody who invested in it because without them being able to go to court and then file for discovery and say, hey, give us access to all kinds of documents. We would have never even known that these scientists in the background were fighting you know, tooth and nail to keep their conclusions while other influences, namely coming from

Starting point is 00:36:54 the American Dental Association and groups like that, we're really trying to smother this lawsuit and to smother the conclusions of the National Toxicology Program. So in September of last year, when we got this final ruling and Judge Edward Chin out of San Francisco said, fluoride does pose an unreasonable risk, the EPA must now act. This is at the end of the Biden administration, of course. And we sort of, you know, we celebrate. for a moment, but we all knew an appeal was coming sooner or later, right? So literally in the last couple days of the Biden administration, whoever was running the Biden camp, the Biden administration filed an appeal from the EPA. And again, that was not surprising, was not unexpected. But a lot of

Starting point is 00:37:35 people, including, I will say some of the people, not to, you know, not to talk down to them, but a lot of people, even including those involved in the lawsuit, were optimistic and hopeful that Trump partnering with RFK meant that, okay, as soon as Trump come in office, he's just going to end this appeal. He's going to close down. I absolutely felt the same way. Obviously, you know, not because I thought that he was, I just thought that this was such an obvious low-hanging fruit.

Starting point is 00:37:59 Like my mind, like, I didn't expect a Stargate platform in the first few days, right? My mindset was like, I think this is going to be the easy one they have to do to trick people into thinking, and they still didn't, right? Well, I see, that's why I agree with that is that it seemed like such an obvious choice for them, but they just didn't seem to care. Because it would have been so easy. I mean, literally, it's just, hey, let's diverse. that appeal and let's let the judge, you know, the ruling play out, the EPA must act. But that's

Starting point is 00:38:23 not what happened. In the first couple of months of the Trump administration, it became pretty clear, as I reported back over the summer, it became clear even before they actually filed their appeal in July. It was pretty clear that they were pursuing strategies for like how to continue the appeal. Instead of just coming in, like we were saying, and just reversing it day one or even the first month or first couple of months or anything, they continued to dial over the court and say, hey, we need an extension. We need a little more time to think about it. We need a little more time to think about it. And then in July of this summer, they officially filed their appeal and made it clear the Trump administration, the DOJ, because this is the thing for people to understand.

Starting point is 00:38:59 And I explain this in the articles, but just in case anybody's a little confused, the EPA is the actual agency, which the court ruled needs to act. And of course, the EPA is under the Trump, the Trump White House, the Trump administration. But it's actually the Department of Justice under Pam Bondi, who again was appointed by Trump, who is leading the lawsuit. So it's the DOJ attorneys representing the EPA who are fighting this. So really at any point now, as Michael Conn at the lead attorney tweeted, whatever he filed his response last week, he said, Pam Bondi and the EPA's head, Lee Zeldin, who was appointed by Trump, they could stop this at any moment.

Starting point is 00:39:32 They could literally just say, hey, never mind, we're going to drop it. But that's not what's happening. So the Trump administration under the DOJ and the EPA filed their appeal this summer. And then this latest update that I shared here is basically the plaintiffs, Michael Connett, Fluide Action Network, Food and Water Watch, and the various mothers that they're representing, this is their response. And what they're doing is they're responding to three different arguments that the EPA and the DOJ have made, which is basically to try to say that they don't have standing in court, that the judge improperly considered new evidence because

Starting point is 00:40:06 there was two phases of the trial. There was 2020, summer 2020, which we covered here exclusively, and then there was the 2024 phase. And so even though they didn't, object at the time and the EPA and DOJ's attorneys never said, hey, we shouldn't consider new information. In fact, they were the one saying, we need the latest data, the latest data. Now in retrospect, they're trying to argue, oh, the judge improperly considered new information that shouldn't have been considered. And then they're also basically just saying that the court, the judge Chen, that he went beyond his authority. So these are all kind of after the fact arguments they're trying to make. They never brought this up at any point during the proceedings. And now Michael Connett is doing his best to try to

Starting point is 00:40:45 debunk these these arguments. Well, and I think you, I mean, correct me, I'm wrong, but as you make clear in the article, they did. I mean, like, it's pretty obvious that the studies were very clearly allowed to be included unless I misunderstood that. And that's 100%. Yeah. And so they're just, I mean, this is like we're talking about the Epstein file. These are just efforts to derail and dismiss and drag this out. Even though it will or even with immigration, you know, like this is such a interesting thing for me to look, stand back of all of the government action or just, I guess, this administration and wonder how in the world they think they can continually, consecutively, just blatantly misrepresent the truth in front of a judge and yet they

Starting point is 00:41:21 and think that's going to work for them because it's happening in every one of these categories. Just on a big note, I think it's crazy. Thankfully, I will say I, you know, I don't have much faith in the legal system, but after having to interview him a few times and hang out with him at the trial and get to know him a little better, I have full faith in Michael Connett and his legal abilities. This guy is a brilliant attorney and brilliant, knows the fluoride fight in and and out, knows the laws, knows the toxic substance control act, Tosca Act, in and out. He knows how it's supposed to operate. And he even, in his responses, makes it clear that in Tosca, I think it's

Starting point is 00:41:54 Section 21, it specifically says that whenever there's a, because basically for those who don't know, this toxic substance control act was passed, I think, in 2015, 2016, and they pretty much immediately got to work. They said, all right, well, this gives citizens the opportunity to petition the EPA, if you believe there's evidence for chemicals that are, you know, available to the public and exposing the public to harm, you can file a petition. The EPA has to review the petition. And obviously, the hope was that this would give citizens more of a say. Unfortunately, the EPA pretty much always denies the petitions, as they did in this case. And that's what led to the lawsuit. But Michael Connett, in his argument, he points out that Section 21 of Tosca specifically

Starting point is 00:42:32 says that petitioners, quote, shall be provided an opportunity to have such petition considered by the court in a de novo proceeding. And de novo is a Latin term that basically just means that there needs to be a fresh or a new trial without considering any of the previous discussions. And as part of that, that they get to submit all kinds of documentation and make their arguments. And so he's just making it clear to the appeal court that, hey, like, we're not doing anything out of the ordinary. This is how Tosca is supposed to operate. This is how it was outlined from the beginning. And in fact, in the government's arguments, if you don't, if you were to follow their arguments, then that basically obliterates the whole purpose of having a petition in the process in the first place.

Starting point is 00:43:13 And so, I mean, again, I don't have much faith in the courts. I do think he's argued his responses excellently, and hopefully the judge is going to, you know, is just going to deny this appeal and we're going to continue on. And I'm sure there will be further appeals. I don't think the Trump administration is just going to let it go. But I will point out one of the other arguments that the Trump administration has tried to make is that, as I mentioned, it's food and water wash, it's fluoride action at work, and then there's three or four mothers who are the plaintiffs who have made connections between their child's

Starting point is 00:43:45 autism and health problems related to fluoride exposures. And so the government singles out one of the mothers, her name's Jessica Trader, and basically says that where she lives in Kansas, there's already naturally occurring fluoride in her water. And so they're trying to argue she doesn't have standing to be a plaintiff because since she was exposed to naturally occurring. water, fluoride in the water during her pregnancy, there's no way to determine if any harm that may have been caused to her came from the naturally occurring fluoride or from the fluoride that had been added to the water after the fact. And again, Michael Connick comes back and kind of argues against that, but also points out like, hey, even if you were to eliminate

Starting point is 00:44:24 her as a plaintiff, we've got three or four other plaintiffs who are, you know, have standing and are just fine to be a part of this case. But it's clear that the EPA of the DOJ is just searching. They're reaching for, you know, anything they can to try to get this case to be dismissed. And talk about wasting resources and time and, you know, like everything they claim they were doing, you know, we don't get into Doge unless you want to about the complete misrepresentation that was. But, you know, we're talking about reducing costs in governments and reducing government. You know, you're wasting everyone's time and resources to continue something you know you were lying about. You know, it's like this is, they just don't represent what they

Starting point is 00:45:00 pretend they do in most of these cases. I will point out as well that, you know, you, it's important to recognize that this was on May 16, 2025, is Trump's EPA planning to continue the appeal of the Florida ruling, which you clearly argue you think that's the case. So it's worth noting out that you were that far ahead of the story and to understand that whether conscious resistance or the West American Bagabond, if you're following this, you're going to be ahead of these stories, because that's the kind of work we're putting out. So excellent work on I appreciate that. Yeah. Thank you. And, you know, just to that point real quick, not to belabor the point, but because I'll see some people in the comments whenever I might make a similar point that

Starting point is 00:45:33 you just did like, hey, guys, I've been calling this out. And people will kind of try to chalk it up to like, oh, yeah, your ego is so big. You just want blah, blah, blah, whatever. It's not even about me as an individual. I think what the reason I think those points are worth making, because let's say when the next si-up or the next presidential candidate or the next politician comes along and tells you they're going to save the day, remember who told you not to trust Trump and who pointed out Peter Thiel and who pointed out all the technocrats.

Starting point is 00:46:00 And remember when it came to the fluoride case, who was pointing out and reporting this information objectively and then also remember who told you to go vote for them who told you to you know that they were going to give you everything and and the moon and you know to trust these people so it's about that it's not about me being like oh look at me i'm so bright and intelligent and i you know i'm the best ever it's about just remembering that if you're a consumer of content which so many people are you're watching podcasts you're reading articles etc remember the the people you follow and more importantly the people you donate invest to if somebody has led you astray more than once and told you to trust trump or trust

Starting point is 00:46:33 Biden or whoever else, maybe you should stop paying attention to them. Maybe you should stop following their advice and follow people who are consistently ahead of the curve and correct on these things. Yeah, I mean, it's an obviously valid point. And look, even if it is about ego, which I agree, it's not, at least in our conversation, that it's still pointing out that it's, you know, it's about correct information. So it's such a weird deviation to be like, you know, it's because the information is provably correct. And I not, you can, I just say it all in my show, I say this off, you know, you can, you can say I'm pat myself on the back, but let's just even say that's the case. It doesn't change the fact that what I'm highlighting for you is a long track record of

Starting point is 00:47:07 consistently being accurate about what's happened well before that comes to pass, not because we were assuming or because we were, you know, had some secret inside source because we just looked at the information and gave you our educated opinion based on what we saw before and what we see coming. You know, it's very simple. And your point is to see that consistently and see how continually people are doing that, not just when it's their team, but like we did. And it's not just us. It's tons of other people out there through COVID-19 and talked about Biden and talked about the criminal actions of the government or Obama or Bush before them. And we're criticizing them for the same problems and the same mistakes in the same way, not because of team. You know,

Starting point is 00:47:43 but I, of the mind, most people are starting to get to that, you know, I really am. But that's, you know, maybe I'm my positive wishful thinking. But yeah, I think that's important. Well, I hope you're right. Yeah. Yeah. So do I. But so let's talk about that very point in the in the point, focal point of the administration, you know, because I think, I'll speak for myself, I think you agree, but I see this as a long-term government problem and that whether there's varying parts of the partisanship that play different roles or drive in different directions that the long-term agenda has been pretty provably in a few different similar long-term directions. And one of them, as is, I like, you know, one thing I like you did in this in the series,

Starting point is 00:48:23 the technocratic Trump administration, it's not just about technocracy. It talks about Zionism it talks about without, I think, necessarily pointing to the word that kind of globalist interconnected point. And I very much think those things are interconnected in all this. And so this is an important series of three articles that highlights where this is going. So again, start wherever you like on this. Sure. Thanks for that, brother. So yeah, I mean, I was trying to think of something I could do to write for T-Lab that would be a little different than just, you know, sometimes we follow the daily news and the breaking news like we did with just the fluoride story. we just covered there. But also I think that because there's so much happening and things are

Starting point is 00:49:00 moving at such a rapid pace, I kind of felt like it would be important to do a series of articles and there might end up being a fourth one depending on where things go. That would kind of highlight everything that's happened. I mean, we're now here at the end of November, right? So it's been 11 months of the Trump administration part two. And things have gone so fast, so rapidly. And going back to you mentioned Stargate and day two, right, not to mention everything that happened this summer. So the goal of this series was to kind of take a step back and to highlight all the things that happen in case you guys have missed it. And even if you're keeping up with Ryan and his broadcast on a nearly daily basis, it's still hard to keep up with everything that's going on. And I made the point in

Starting point is 00:49:37 the first one, which is about public-private partnerships, to kind of just look at a little bit of why that might be the case, why things might be moving so fast that it's hard to keep up. And I made two main points there for one that Steve Bannon infamously said in 2018 to Bloomberg, I think the full quote is, the Democrats don't matter. The real opposition is the media and the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with shit. That was his, is a comment. People have remembered that. And then later on, he's sort of clarified and he said, every day we hit them with three things.

Starting point is 00:50:10 They'll buy it on one and we'll get all our stuff done. Bang, bang, bang. These guys will never be able to recover. So obviously, Bannon's not at least publicly in the current Trump administration, but he was very much an advisor and the first Trump administration. And I think that mindset really set the tone for the way Trump approaches things. And I didn't include this in the article, but I've since gone back and kind of remember that also Trump's mentor, Roy Cohn, besides being a pedophile, he was infamous for the way that he dealt with the media and his legal strategies. And he definitely taught that to Trump. And it was kind of a similar mindset of like just sue them into oblivion, just hit him, boom, boom, boom, right after the other.

Starting point is 00:50:46 And so we talked about that as well as now that Trump is starting to befriend, all the technocrats like this. Mark Zuckerberg, we got to remember that Mark Zuckerberg's famous Facebook model that he said all the way back in 2009 was move fast and break things. Unless you are breaking some stuff, you are not moving fast enough. And basically what I argue here in the beginning of this first article in the series is that when you combine that Bannon flood the zone with shit, hit them bang, bang, bang, they can't keep up with move fast and break things. And plus the influence of Roy Cohn, you can really kind of see the mindset that is influencing this second Trump term, which is just. to move as quick as possible. You've also heard it from other Trump officials like

Starting point is 00:51:25 Stephen Miller, Tom Homan and others who have said, like, you know, we're going to move fast, we're going to get as much done as possible. And so I just kind of wanted to set the stage that I think that's important. And that is kind of probably why on a daily basis, we're like, wow, this is so much going on. How can I even keep up with it? This ICE is doing these things. And then there's new developments with the technocracy and then the guys. It's a lot. And it's on purpose, guys. They're doing this on purpose because they want us to be overwhelmed. They want us to be incapable of keeping up. And Bannon, of course, frames it in terms of just the Democrats, but I don't think that's exclusive to the Democrats. I think this is just their strategy for

Starting point is 00:51:58 anybody that they see as their opposition is to move so quick that we just are incapable of even keeping up with what's going on. Yeah. Well, on that one point, I think it's very clear, and you're right. I think it applies to just anybody who might be trying to acknowledge what's going on. I think they're hyper-aware. That's not just Democrats. I think that's why that agenda's been so forceful. But it's very clear that there's an effort to, you know, flood the conversation with so many lies and obvious misrepresentations, and that's why I was actually just discussing more than once recently about it's a difficult decision lately for me, you know, where I draw the line on what's important to cover. Because I, like, I think it's obvious to see

Starting point is 00:52:35 that there is an element of that. And so you have to decide, is this, is this Stephen Miller coming out and saying they won a seven to zero ruling and they're saying they won a, like, it was the, immigration, they said they won seven to zero. The case was actually zero to seven. It was one of the earliest examples I saw. And I'm like, did he just say that? And he doubled down and he kept lying about it. And they, provably, they lied about it. And so I wondered at the time, like, was he just that stupid? But it drags you in to this effort and the time and the research.

Starting point is 00:53:01 And he's back to laughing that you're wasting time to point out something he obviously was false. That's definitely the point, too. I mean, that's, I think. And so I definitely, I can relate to that struggle you sat there, right? It's like on a, I don't do a daily show. I do a weekly show. But even every week when I'm preparing for my show, I'm like, okay, there's this there, and there's this there, and there's all this.

Starting point is 00:53:19 and like how much of it is worth giving airtime, giving screen time, how much really matters and what is just more distraction or just rage bait. And obviously the way we've seen the administration handling social media, they clearly get off on triggering people and upsetting people by just posting the most, just nasty things they can. I think that's the same thing. I think they do that in order to get people to kind of flip out and waste time on, you know, which like, again, there is a value, for example,

Starting point is 00:53:46 in pointing out even intentionally that they lied. Right? But as I think we both know, I think everyone knows they lie. So it's not really a big profound moment, but it still is some value to say yes, they are deliberately. Unfortunately, that's become the norm, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, they lied about something else, right? But or the point of something being, you know, insulting, for example, or like you're saying, you know, me using, you know, saying something to a woke crowd that makes them angry, you know, it's like there's a value in pointing out even that they did it in order to do that. But in my, where I weigh every day is it like, is it worth the time? Like if I got a focal point,

Starting point is 00:54:19 and I can include it and it's not taking away from other things. Oh, yeah, sure, why not? But that line comes into play where it's like, okay, you have so much to talk about, you know, and I don't know if you struggle with that, even on the weekly part of it, but it's been hard lately because you know that there's smaller, even like the social commentary where you see the next orders of Benny Johnson's out there, you know, like getting 10 million views on something that you can prove is false. Is it worth my time to prove that?

Starting point is 00:54:41 It is a daily frustration, brother. I definitely feel that one for sure. Yeah, and I try not to give it too much energy and, time, but I definitely, as somebody who is dedicated to my work, as I know you are, it's frustration. There's just the human element of it, too, right? That maybe some people in the audience can't fully relate to if you're just kind of consuming and not producing content. But, you know, I've been doing this for 16 years. I know you've been doing it for many years as well. And to sort of see these people come about and just blatantly, and it's Benny Johnson, Nick sort of or others,

Starting point is 00:55:11 and even these anonymous accounts that are really big on Twitter, they just say blatantly false things make up stuff about whatever the heck they want there's no accountability i'm not calling of course or supporting government intervention or something like that or calling for people to be censored but it is it's a it's a it's a very i think almost a spiritual challenge to to kind of feel beat up by that's like wow i'm over here struggling to be as objective as possible and stick to the facts and these people just don't give a damn and they'll say whatever they want and they rack up 10 million 20 million views yeah it's it's frustrating man and um it yeah one more one more quick point though is it's like this is, the point is that they are the mainstream media, right?

Starting point is 00:55:49 And it's pretty clear whether AstroTurf, that's the word I couldn't remember the other day, AstroTurf or not, it's clear that that influences people, you know? So as much as it is designed to trap us and ultimately is probably flimsy and obvious to many, there is still at some level of value to go, but let me break down for you why that is wrong for maybe the person in the room that just didn't smart to see through it. You know, it's like, it's just, so as much as it is a emotional drain and maybe designed to be as much, you know there there's a line for that thing and that's the struggle not necessarily because you know we all could acknowledge this stuff like realistically we should be focusing on the fact

Starting point is 00:56:23 reporting and ignoring those kind of people but if they are genuinely because they're being held up and because of the algorithms in some way influencing enough people maybe we need to find time to call it out you know that's a that's the hard part for everybody yeah i i do think there's a time and a place to dissect the siops like that and and the problem is and maybe this is just some people they choose to kind of make this their only thing, it's a full-time job. Like there's literally just so much bad stuff out there. It is a full-time job. If you wanted to be a content creator and say, all I'm going to do is just go through posts

Starting point is 00:56:55 made by the left and the right and just show you how they're demonstrably false, you would have your hands full for weeks and months at a time. But how is that, how is that in a material sense different than doing that with CNN and Fox News? Well, I think that they both have value, right? Because I mean, over the years, I've done videos debunking, you know, various memes and ideas that we're spreading in the alternative media. It's only gotten worse now that we have these influencers, which are clearly mainstream alternative media. They're being propped up, the algorithms control, you know, boosting them and stuff like that. And I think there is value for that because, like you said, there's some people who are easily pulled in with these kind of things.

Starting point is 00:57:33 And I see this on some of my pages. Just one brief example before we get back to the article last week with the whole Marjorie Taylor Green thing. I've made a post about it. I posted on all my social media, but on Facebook, some lady came and commented, and it was just like it was a long post. Clearly, she didn't write it by herself. She copied and pasted it from somewhere. And it was filled with all sorts of falsehoods that I kind of briefly looked into it.

Starting point is 00:57:57 And I said, you know, this doesn't seem to be accurate. I wasn't rude or anything. I said, can you tell me where you copied this from? And she said, oh, it's so-and-so, some account I'd never heard of on Twitter. And eventually I found it. It's some person that's got like three, 400,000 views. and this particular post about Marjorie Taylor Green, trying to connect her and her husband to Jeffrey Epstein

Starting point is 00:58:15 and just all kinds of stuff that when you look at the individual piece of the puzzle, there's a couple of facts throwing in there, but the majority of is it false? Like, you know, it's claimed that they owned a business, some businesses in Florida. That part was accurate, but the city was wrong, and that business never had any connection to Epstein, but it was trying to say, oh, the business that her and her husband ran

Starting point is 00:58:34 was down the street in Palm Beach from Jeffrey Epstein, and they hung out, blah, blah, whatever. And those things just get repeated, repeated, repeated. And I went into the comments and I kind of, you know, set a few choice words to the guy who posted it. But that doesn't get seen by nearly as many people as the people, you know, who saw the original post. But I did go back to that person and say, hey, like, this is clearly false.

Starting point is 00:58:53 Like I can show you where this fact is wrong and this fact is wrong. And maybe that just reaches that mainly that one person, a few other people who already kind of agree with me who come and like it or whatever. But I think sometimes there's time and energy for it. But as we know, there's so much going on. We have to conserve our energy and choose our battles wise. you know yeah yeah no I mean it's we could talk about it forever it's just it's and there's no I mean I don't even know I don't have an answer to the question it's just that's it's worth thought you

Starting point is 00:59:18 know and that's why I often bring it up just the where that is and where we put our attention into and what is truly influencing people you know what is it at this point with what you said there at the end point like I question how much of our content is truly being seen you know outside of people that know it's there and that's a that's a you know it's a hard topic anyway you know it's just it's something that we should be considering as and and I'll end this this tirade about the point about where other directions we should go in, you know, Whitney doing print and, you know, other kind of independent, decentralized kind of directions, because this is only going to get worse, as you and I both know.

Starting point is 00:59:52 But oh, and then it is, technocracy. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah, so I'll just hit a couple of points. Of course, I'll just invite everybody to find the article series. Of course, it's at TLAB under my name, the technocratic Trump administration. The first one, just I'll make one or two points about each article. And then if you want to share any thoughts, Ryan, but people can go and check. again the whole idea was like let's go back and revisit everything that's happened because it's just moving so fast like people probably already forgot if you even saw it but back in september trump had this big meeting with all of the the big technocrats at the at the white house and i point out that aspect but also in the first one i

Starting point is 01:00:27 talk about the public private partnership deal which as far as i remember there was a lot of people against public private partnerships because you know the world economic forum calls themselves the international organization for public private cooperation and now under trump And there's even more development since I wrote this article just a few weeks ago. But there's some that I pointed out that Trump under Trump, the U.S., bought a 10% state in Intel, which is $8.9 billion. Of course, the American taxpayers aren't going to see any of that money, but their money's being used for that. Trump is promoting this as like it's going to be good for the economy. There was also the Pentagon announced a deal with MP materials.

Starting point is 01:01:06 They called it a transformational public-private partnership, which would see the Department of defense become the largest shareholder in MP materials after agreeing to buy 400 million of its stock. And then Howard Lutnik, you know, he's, of course, Commerce Secretary with ties to Epstein. And there's reports recently showing that his sons, they're benefiting hugely when it comes to finances in terms of AI because of their dad's connections. And Lutnik has said that, yeah, they're considering buying more stock in Lockheed Martin and Boeing and Palantir even. And then there was one back in early October, $35.6 million. partnership with trilogy medals, so the U.S. could have a 10% stake in the company.

Starting point is 01:01:47 And that one kind of has its own drama around it because this trilogy medals, they're going to get access to this 211-mile access road in Alaska's Ambler mining district. And basically the kind of short version of it is that they've been trying to get access to that mining district for years because there's lithium there, there's copper, and there's cobalt. But it was blocked under the Trump administration or the Biden administration or whoever was running the show blocked it because native communities over there have been complaining and kind of resisting it for years saying that it was going to do damage to the environment and to sacred sites there. Trump came in not only like and this is the kind of like how you know that it was all planned is on the same day that Trump announces the $35.6 million partnership with trilogy medals. They also announce that they're going to open up this 211 mile road. gets access to the mining.

Starting point is 01:02:40 So they literally do a business deal with them, and then they, like, remove all restrictions and undo something that Biden had done that may have been one good thing and say, okay, now you have full access, right? So real quick, real quick, the regulation point, does that's what they're, everyone celebrated that because you act like that's going to remove government restrictions on your life. No, it's corporations and what they can do to you is what they're moving. Go ahead.

Starting point is 01:03:01 I just think that's very clear to point out. Yeah, and that's kind of one of the ways they'll try to spend Doge and stuff. It's like, oh, we're getting rid of things that are bad for the people, but it's not going to benefit us in any kind of way, right? It's not going to benefit the people. And then that first one, I also, as I mentioned, talk about the meeting at the White House with all the big technocrats and Melania's plan for the presidential AI challenge, which just they're embracing AI even more and embracing the technocrats. And I know that you had mentioned to be earlier, there was a new announcement that just happened in the last week

Starting point is 01:03:32 with this Genesis announcement. So that's even more of them moving further into AI and moving further to the big technocrats because they're going to make billions of dollars, if not trillions, off this. And while they tried to move us towards this agenda 2030, where they're controlling what we can put on our plate and what we have access to and what we can drive and all these sort of things, they're going to use billions of dollars, they're going to use all kinds of water, they're going to suck up local rivers and lakes and stuff in order to power these data centers that they're building under Trump to empower the AI future that people like Elon Musk say are inevitable. So, and then my second one, I won't go into the whole thing, but I do just, again, invite everybody to read it because there's just so much going on.

Starting point is 01:04:13 But it was focused on the media side of thing, Trump's efforts to pressure and consolidate the media, not just Trump himself, but of course with his partners like Larry Ellison. And we had the whole Jimmy Kimmel thing after Charlie Kirk shooting, where Brendan Carr, who's the head of the FCC, clearly was, you know, and of course he did this on Benny Johnson's podcast, no surprise, where he clearly was threatening. And he said, quote, we can do this the easy way or the hard way. These companies can find ways to change conduct and take action, frankly, on Kimmel. Or there's going to be additional work for the FCC ahead. And that all proceeded the temporary banning of Jimmy Kimmel. And then, of course, he came back. It's clearly showing that the Trump administration and their cronies will use at least the threats of legal action to get the ways that they want.

Starting point is 01:05:02 And then, of course, we have Pete Heggseth and his new restrictions. at the Pentagon, not to say that the Pentagon was ever some bastion of, you know, free speech and freedom of the press or anything, but definitely it's a, it's an unprecedented move where all these different agencies are being pushed out of the Pentagon. And in fact, the only people who bothered to sign his, what's been called a loyalty pledge was one America news, everybody else, including conservative outlets like Fox, like the Daily Caller, like the Washington Times, who've been there for decades, said, no, we're not going to sign this. This isn't, you know, This isn't journalism to just basically agree to only release things that the Pentagon approves.

Starting point is 01:05:40 Is that of the one of American news network, just the new media? Like just, oh, sure, why in support? Absolutely. Journalism. Well, and I think there was an even greater example of that, like literally the next day, I think I did include this in the article. Yeah, I did. There was a, the White House announced like a whole new round of, you know, after the news made that all the mainstream press,

Starting point is 01:06:00 left, right, center, all of them walked out. And of course, this is where I think very problematic because a lot of the people in the so-called freedom movement or MAGA, they're like, yeah, look at the pictures of all the media walking out with everything, boxes in hand and ah-ha, sticking it to the man. But that's not going to lead to more transparency. And that's not a defense of the corporate media. It's just to say, like, look, if the people who stay agreed to have a loyalty pledge, that doesn't mean there's not going to, that's not going to lead to more of truth, more freedom, more transparency for the American people. So, yes, we can call out the Washington Post, the New York Times for the lies they've spread over the years. And at the same time, we can recognize that less media in the Pentagon is not going to be good for us. And so the next day, the Trump administration, they announced they had, I think it was 60 new approved correspondence.

Starting point is 01:06:49 And it was bloggers, independent journalists, and foreign outlets who all agreed to sign the pledge. And of course, that goes back to some of those influencers we've talked about, like Nick Sorter and others, who are already making it. clear like they're only going to report things that the white house wants them to to uh support and then i go through some of the list of the different lawsuits that trump has filed the frivolous lawsuits you know there was a big thing made about the 60 minutes interview and the editing of trump of kamala's answer last year and however you feel about that the fact of the matter is trump clearly likes to sue people he's you know for all the power he tries to promote and and you know act like he has he's he's like a child I mean, this guy is just an insecure child who will sue people at the moments notice if he thinks it make him look bad.

Starting point is 01:07:32 And unfortunately, some of these outlets are complying because they don't want to face lawsuits. I mean, obviously, when the government's coming after you, it's probably even for a big outlet, a scary thing. So some of them are just like, fine, we'll settle. We'll do a multi-million dollar pay out of the options. It's like, okay, we can get this out of the way or he's going to make us spend $10 billion to fight him. You know, it's like they know what they're doing. And that's the point of why he's doing all of that to set that chilling effect. So whether they're not to threaten anymore, just they'll know not to do it in the first place.

Starting point is 01:07:59 Exactly. And then just one more thing on that or on the second one. I talk about the Paramount Skydance merger, which is, of course, done from David Ellison, who's the CEO of Skydance. He's the son of Larry Ellison, who is the head of Oracle, ties to the CIA, Stargate. We've covered him ad nauseum over the last couple of years, and particularly this last, this first year of Trump's new administration. And then that piece kind of ends with talking about the TikTok deal. And that's where the second part, the third part, picks up, which is focused more on some of the Zionist elements. And what I essentially write in this part, which is admitted by Netanyahu himself, that a big reason for this TikTok purchase and putting people like

Starting point is 01:08:37 Larry Ellison in charge at that, in addition to getting the Ellison's at the head of Paramount Skydance, I mean, I kind of breeze past that, but just to briefly touch on it, I mean, that puts them in charge of CBS News. That puts them in charge. They, you know, they bought the free press with Barry Weiss and she's obviously a very pro-Zionist. That puts them in charge of dozens and dozens of local CBS affiliates and Comedy Central, MTV News, things that are going to influence not only local news, but the culture. And so who's at the head of that? Father and son, pro-Zionist, Ellison, the older Ellison, is, of course, the largest

Starting point is 01:09:09 donor to the IDF, the friends of the IDF organization. And basically this article, I'm kind of showing how the purchase of TikTok and putting to Ellison's in control of it is very much about trying to beat back the fact that many of the younger generation, Gen Z and people on TikTok, have largely turned against Israel because of the virility of clips that were going all around TikTok in the last couple years. And so now they're trying to get control of it. And so we get into all the details of that. Some of it touches on Marco Rubio and how Ellison was vetting Rubio for Netanyahu and for Israel way back in 2015. I mean, So this is a long game they've been playing.

Starting point is 01:09:51 And then we also kind of talk about the so-called peace plan that Trump has been promoting, which unfortunately just got approval from the UN Security Council last week. One important point I think on that, because I was making the point that this 20-point peace plan, as Trump calls it, is truly just a technocratic plan. In fact, it literally says in the dang thing, point number nine, Gaza will be governed under the temporary transitional governance of a technocratic, apolitical Palestinian community committee, and then it says the Board of Peace, which will be headed and chaired by Trump, as well as other heads of state and former prime minister, Tony Blair,

Starting point is 01:10:25 and I get into some of that with Tony Blair and sort of his long-term connections to the Zionist and actually how Larry Ellison and Tony Blair have a pretty close, incestuous relationship. So, I mean, this whole thing, a big part of Trump's administration, the technocracy and the Zionism, it's coming together. Like, that's a perfect example, that peace plan, because you got the Zionist, And you got the technocratic discussion there. This isn't about giving the Palestinian people a chance to chart their own course or chart their own destiny. It's about very much putting more Zionist-friendly people like Tony Blair through the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change, people like Larry Ellison and others,

Starting point is 01:11:03 so that they can continue to guide the future of what's going to happen with the Palestinian people. And one thing I want to mention just on the peace plan that got approved, it was approved by the UN Security Council. And the only, everybody voted in favor of it. The only two people to choose, two countries that choose not to vote were Russia and China. So all the people who keep telling us that the BRICS nations are going to save us from the Western World Order and that the multi-polar order is here to save the day, well, they had a chance right there. They could have used their veto power.

Starting point is 01:11:33 Both Russia and China have veto power in the UN Security Council. They literally could have stopped Trump's technocratic peace plan and instead they chose to abstain. Yeah. I think it speaks for itself. I mean, obviously, you know, if you want to still pretend that they might have different intentions, you have to acknowledge that that was still a calculated political move to not push back in that moment and allow this terrible thing to happen because it probably benefits them, even for greater good in the future. I don't believe that.

Starting point is 01:11:59 But it's just that this is why I argue politics is always, you know, compromising politics is a dirty word. I think it always comes to pass. But, you know, I'm glad you brought up the gaza technocratic plan. It's insane that that's what it's literally called in the surface and how that's all going there. So I really hope people will check out this series. And you've done all the work on this as well as I wrote one of, I did a show called the, what was it called the technocratic Zionist coup of the United States?

Starting point is 01:12:23 And that's what I think is genuinely happening. So I hope people will check this out. So let's go ahead and finish with a part that takes us kind of to where we are now. And you mentioned the Genesis plan. And actually, let me just start with that. So I'll point out what it says, which is perfect to what you were highlighting, launching the Genesis mission.

Starting point is 01:12:37 So remembering the COVID-19, World Economic Forum, great reset, public-private partnership, as Derek rightly highlighted that this is what we all pushed back on, right? In this, it says, and this is generally what this AI plan is, the Genesis mission. It says this order launches the Genesis mission as a dedicated, coordinated national effort to unleash a new age of AI accelerated innovation and discovery that can solve the most challenging problems of this century. The Genesis mission will build an integrated AI platform to harness federal scientific databases,

Starting point is 01:13:08 and it goes on to talk about bringing in scientists and greatest minds. and as we've learned very recently, that's not going to be Americans most likely with what they're already showing you. But overall, it comes down to this part that highlights what Derek said. The scope and outcomes of public-private partnerships, including collaboration research, collaborative research projects, and any technology transitions or commercialization activities. And please read through this for the show because it gets into all of the buzzwords and the concerns that we've been highlighting. This, as far as I'm concerned, is one of the central beginning parts of the rollout of the control grid. So you want to comment on that?

Starting point is 01:13:41 I want to play the clip first. go ahead play the clip yeah i mean i've seen the presidential the action executive order there i'm not surprised yeah well let's talk about where it goes this is what uh uh no i wanted to come and be with all of you today to talk about the fact that we as the department of homeland security are going to be investing over a billion dollars in new technology and new advancements in the security systems at security checkpoints in airports across the country That is the biggest investment that we've seen in screening technologies in years and over a decade. And we know that it is our responsibility not just to keep travelers safe, but also to make sure that we're getting them to their locations and to their destinations safely on time and efficiently.

Starting point is 01:14:30 And as James calls it, you know, TSA security theater, which is largely what it is. Now, why this connects is, well, first, what this person rightly said, can you imagine if the influencers outcry, if majority, Marcus had announced this, you know, left first, right? But what's interesting to me is with all of this together, right, the rollout of the biometric thing that we all told you was coming with the drones and Palantir and surveillance and artificial intelligence. I mean, everywhere with Larry Ellison telling you, we're going to track every movement and you'll be on your best behavior because we'll be watching everything, you know, and then they roll out this AI grid that's supposed to, you know, it's just how do people not see where this goes?

Starting point is 01:15:04 Well, what are your thoughts on at first before I freak out about it? Well, yeah, I mean, I think like you said, you're right to kind of connect those. two things because there's uh i'm just looking at the details here you know it's saying a billion dollars for x-ray advanced imaging technology this is the same thing like you said security theater this is stuff that started post 9-11 that many people have rightfully called out and said the tsa's not doing a job i think at one point trump even pretended like he was going to try to abolish the tsa or the dhs instead they're giving them a billion dollars and i'm also looking at the announcement here from the dhs and this is something that you and i have talked about for a long

Starting point is 01:15:39 time that on that same day they announced that that billion dollar investment they also were finalizing the rule to advance the biometric entry exit system which will be effective December 26 2025 and this is at first of course it right now it says to collect facial biometrics from all non-citizens upon entry and exit of airports land ports seaports and other authorized points of departure so that's what Trump said we played the clip plenty of times you know by land by air by sea and right now it's just non-citizens, it's foreigners, but are any of us really going to believe that this is not going to be expanded? Because I know, as you're showing right there, these things are already expanding to Americans. Now they're monitoring Americans driving patterns looking for suspicious

Starting point is 01:16:19 behavior. Right. I mean, and this is what's so obvious about it, right? Bar patrols monitoring U.S. drivers. There's no way we can, what it's saying is we're using biometric tracking, face prints, and everything else to monitor you. Not for you, though. We're just checking to make sure you're not an illegal person, you know, but that's not true. to be quite honest, but the reality is it doesn't matter. There's still a privacy overlap right there. And as I have included here, and Jason Basso's been doing some great work on,

Starting point is 01:16:47 this is the flock camera overlap. And I may just play this really quickly, it's such a short. So this is all happening simultaneously. And so what this guy says in this video, this is something that Steve showed me yesterday. It's just insane to me. So they're using the same narratives,

Starting point is 01:17:01 and it's just kind of the normalization of the rollout of your control grid. And then unfortunately there's terroristic organizations, like Deflock, whose primary motivation is chaos. They are closer to Antifa than they are anything else. And that I think is unfortunate because we don't want chaos or I don't want chaos. I like law and order. Like a society that has a bedrock of safety. Now the simple point is he's calling the group trying to stop cameras that are legally spying on you,

Starting point is 01:17:26 the terrorist organization akin to Antifa because that, well, where does that go in your mind? Like even with the Antifa part, I mean, I think, I think mentioning Antifa has done very much on purpose. because we know which kind of people will, oh, Antifa, yeah, then I'm definitely against that thing, even if the effort of the Deflot group is just to track all the places that these Flok license plate reading cameras are being established. And, you know, I'm glad to see that there's more awareness on ALPRs, the automatic license plate readers, because I could probably pull up articles I wrote back in 2014, 2015, warning about the growth of these systems. And it may be too late in some cases, but I'm glad that there's organizations like DeFlock that.

Starting point is 01:18:06 are trying to at least know where they're at. And I've seen some cities, some smaller towns and cities, including Sedona, where our friend Grant presence is from, they actually did kind of beat them back. And so I know people are trying to stop this expansion. It's not a surprise to see that the CEO of the company, of course, would then use some really charged rhetoric like that in order to diminish the efforts of activists. Well, think about the claim. Like, even aside from the absurd, I'm glad you picked up.

Starting point is 01:18:32 You know, the designation of Antifa is a whole topic to get into. but it's so clearly politically manipulated, not to say that there's not, you know, manipulative issues about the groups, but like just a broad stroke label of anything is always abused by the government as we both covered our entire lives, you know? But the claim that you blocking

Starting point is 01:18:51 or even trying to stop or be, rather here, it comes down to the awareness of it. If you look at the group, they're not, in some cases, yeah, they're talking about action, but if you look at what they're basically doing, he's pointing to like the effort, the deflock group is here's where they are. Here's where the camera is.

Starting point is 01:19:06 They're just trying to map the locations. Yes, exactly. And so the point is he's saying by working to identify where a camera is, which by the way is invading your privacy is terrorism, like that's a stretch too far even for their arguments, but this is just where we are today. It's just worth recognizing the chilling effect of what he's doing right there. Something that in no context is a crime, in no context, it's like saying identifying what ICE agents, who they are is terrorism.

Starting point is 01:19:33 And they're making that same case, even though it's against the law. for them not to identify ourselves. It's just, it's confounding, isn't it? It is very much frustrating, man. And it's, I hadn't seen that clip, but I'm again, I'm not surprised, unfortunately. But I mean, this hopefully is painting a more clear picture of people who believe that under Donald Trump, this, we would see a reversal of the, the technocratic surveillance state, police state when, in fact, it's just been expanding.

Starting point is 01:19:57 And again, like the, that article there from AP and others talking about the suspicious driving behavior. when I see things like that, I mean, it's hard not to say I told you so. And it doesn't make anything better to say it, of course, but it is just like the writing was on the wall, guys. I mean, it was clear as day that the immigration argument, for one, it would be weaponized by one side and it would be exploited by the right wing to tell you all sorts of horrible things. The immigrants are rapists, they're killers.

Starting point is 01:20:25 They're eating your dogs. They're doing this stuff. Three million, 20 million, 50 million of them have come in with no facts backing those numbers that are just being tossed about. Right. And now you get people to the point where they're like, I don't care. Yeah, do whatever you got to do. Get rid of the, you know, surveillance, robbing, taking people in the streets,

Starting point is 01:20:42 mask men, whatever, you know, as long as we can get rid of those 40 million illegal immigrants that I was told came here. It's sad to see, but I think, I mean, it's not that surprising. And unfortunately, I think those of us who have been paying attention could see where this is headed. And I wish we were ending on a more happy note. But, I mean, this is the world we're in. And the only way we're going to change it is if we start acknowledging it.

Starting point is 01:21:02 And I just want to, I guess, kind of implore the audience out there, who I know tuned in, very dedicated to your show, share this information. You know, the whole reason that social media is called social media is because we're supposed to engage with society and with each other. And I know that the algorithms can, you know, downrank us and keep people like myself and Ryan from being seen. But that's where you guys come in. If you help us get around the sensors, help us get around the algorithms, share this information, whether that's, you know, clicking share on your favorite social media platform or, emailing it to your friends or just showing people on your phone or whatever the case may be because people can't keep up with it. As I said a few moments ago, there's so much happening that people can't even keep up with it. The average person who's not dedicated to this work full time

Starting point is 01:21:46 as we are that's at work right now. It's 2.30 in the afternoon. They're working right now. They're not going to get home until five or six, seven at night. They're going to be tired. They're going to want dinner. They're going to want to watch a show and go to bed. They don't have time to keep up with this. So all they're seeing is what their favorite influencer or Fox News or MSNBC or CNN are telling them, and even those outlets aren't keeping up with everything's going on. So we need to do our best, and we need your help, guys, to get this information out. Yeah, well said, man. And, you know, I'll leave it with an overlapping point.

Starting point is 01:22:15 And hopefully, maybe we should make a point to get into some of the immigration conversation in the next interview because I think you've got a good perspective on this. But just to end the conversation of Trump saying that the Democrats, whatever their manipulative agenda may have been, which I wouldn't even disregard, stating. very clearly that ignoring an unlawful order is legal. You know, that as a military person, you can disregard an unlawful order. And it's obvious. That is the reality. And then them not basically lying about that all the way to the point to where Vance came out and said that they stated you can disregard legal orders, just lying outright, as we just talked about earlier.

Starting point is 01:22:53 And then going to the point to where Trump comes out the next day and posts on true social a plaque that outlines that you're allowed to disregard unlawful orders. While, by the way, he's currently investigating, literally today and further, people who made that video. You know, like, it's just this very, we're in a really slippery and dangerous time where people are, you know, it's, it's meant, you have to understand, I think, that this is meant to confuse. It's meant, it's flooding the zone, whatever we want to call it. But interestingly, overlap with the time where I've never seen more examples of unlawful orders taking place in broad daylight and this kind of. mudding the waters of that. I think it just comes down to constitutional stuff, but, you know, lying about deporting or detaining U.S. citizens. You know, there's a lot of different examples we get

Starting point is 01:23:36 into. It's just a chilling time for Americans to realize whether Trump or Biden that they are aiming at you, as we've always been pointing out, you know? So any final thought, brother, and we'll wrap it up. Yeah, this is the war on so-called domestic terror. Yeah, just the last that I'll offer in terms of that point you made there, because I covered this on my show on Monday, just to add a little bit more to the hypocrisy. I hadn't seen Trump posting that plaque, and I'm glad Justin Amash is calling it out. But if those who can remember this group called the Oath Keepers, which in the last few years, of course, they've been associated with MAGA,

Starting point is 01:24:05 but when they first came out in 2009, 2010, 11, under the Obama administration, the founder, Stuart Rose, I actually interviewed him back in 2012. It was a group that I was kind of supporting, at least, you know, morally I wasn't a member or anything. But the Oathkeepers originally said, we are calling on currently serving and retired members of the military, of the police, and law enforcement to re you know retake their oath to the constitution and to take these 10 additional oaths which basically said like we won't disarm Americans we and the whole point was to say we won't obey unjust illegal unconstitutional orders and that was a big thing and then the

Starting point is 01:24:43 oathkeepers evolved into maga and they were there in january 6th and steward roads went to jail but the point was that was something that the right wingers were very much embracing and that the left and the center you know mainstream media was like oh my god these crazy group is trying to get troops to not take an oath to the Constitution again. And here you've got Democrats. And of course, like you said, there's definitely some funny business. You know, some of the people involved are ex-Ci agents. So they're not people I really trust.

Starting point is 01:25:07 But they're basically saying the same thing. Hey, military people out there don't obey unjust illegal orders. And then Trump flips out and acts like what they're doing illegal. So, I mean, it's just more, you know, what's good for us. But it's bad when the other side does it. And there's just enough hypocrisy to go around for everybody. Yeah, I'll add one last point on this, is that like we kind of mentioned about the consistency of conscious resistance of the last American vagabond.

Starting point is 01:25:31 If you've been paying attention over the last administration or even longer than that, you know, or maybe just started in this administration, just keep notice of the consistency of the principles of what we're saying, of what we believe in, what we're fighting for, regardless of what party. And only so much time can pass before you stand back. And anybody recognizes that there are people who are consistent in principles or their integrity and honor in what they do and those that don't. And it's very clear who stands out there and continues to compromise and continues to change and, you know, jump, ship and whatever else.

Starting point is 01:26:01 You know, it's impossible not to see that. And I think we're getting to that point right now where because of what they've done for so long, they've driven a lot of people to become politically motivated and almost is coming around to bite them now because people are before they would have been paying attention are now so aware, but have now become so aware that they're going, okay, but they're also lying to me. If I read it right, and I think things are changing to a very positive way but it's also getting a little bit dark and difficult and there's so much strife but don't miss the positive change that's happening within it all you know so derrick always thanks for your work man always out there doing a great job and i'm looking forward to talk with you next time and as

Starting point is 01:26:35 always everybody out there question everything come to your own conclusions stay vigilant we will finally complete the biometric entry exit visa tracking system which we need desperately Unfortunately, when there is action, it's always the wrong decision. Do you ever notice? In my administration, we will ensure that this system is in place. And I will tell you, it will be on land, it will be on sea, it will be in air, we will have a proper tracking system. Thank you.

The Last American Vagabond - Derrick Broze Interview - The MAHA Fluoride Failure & The Zionist/Technocratic Trump Administration

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