The Last American Vagabond - Derrick Broze Interview - The Zampolli-Melania Pact Allegations & It's Geopolitical Implications

Episode Date: May 6, 2026

Joining me today is Derrick Broze, here to discuss his recent TLAV article entitled, “The Zampolli-Melania Pact: Amanda Ungaro, Epstein Connections, and the Leaked Phone Call,” and why it is relevant to the recent press conference held by Melania Trump. We also discuss the major US foreign and domestic policy implications of this alleged pact and what it pertains to—what the former senior executive for Israel’s Directorate of Military Intelligence, Ari Ben-Menashe, called Israel’s metaphorical “nuclear bomb” used to compel American politicians to support Israel’s political goals:“They have photos of Melania with Epstein. Trump isn’t the point — Melania is.”Source Links:The Zampolli-Melania Pact: Amanda Ungaro, Epstein Connections, and the Leaked Phone Call60 Minutes - American Girls In Paris (1988) - The Conscious Resistance Network(21) Report on X: “n un audio esclusivo che Report è in grado di farvi ascoltare per la prima volta, l’inviato speciale di Donald Trump Paolo Zampolli rivela in una telefonata dell’esistenza di un patto stipulato tra lui e Melania Trump prima delle elezione presidenziali del 2016. Domenica su Rai3 https://t.co/amwvKutUz0” / XFormer Israeli Intel Official Claims Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell Worked for IsraelDerrick Broze, Author at The Last American VagabondTrump Says Iran War “Terminated” As Illegal Iran War Continues & The Zampolli-Melania PactLeaked email suggests Ghislaine Maxwell plotting to sacrifice big name for freedom: report - NewsBreakAmanda Ungaro on X: “@PamBondi Are you already aware of the situation? Do you fully understand the extent of the information I possess regarding you and the individuals associated with you? I strongly advise you to consider the seriousness of these matters. Any actions taken against me or attempts https://t.co/jB2rM8dRUF” / X(21) Amanda Ungaro (@AmandaUngaroA) / XNew Tab(21) The Last American Vagabond on X: “https://t.co/A2gTEocDNR” / XMore Indictments Designed To Fail, Palantir Further Consolidates Control & Iran Calls Trump’s Bluff(22) anthony andrews (@anthonyandrews) / XNew TabJoin Us for The Activation Tour 2026!Bitcoin Donations Are Appreciated:www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/bitcoin-donation(3FSozj9gQ1UniHvEiRmkPnXzHSVMc68U9f)The Last American Vagabond Substack is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to The Last American Vagabond Substack at tlavagabond.substack.com/subscribe

Last American Vagabond, joining me today is Derek Brose here to discuss this article. A very interesting article, something that I wasn't even aware of some of the points in this before he finished this article. And it's something that really was connected to a lot of different things. How are you, Dave, Derek? I'm interested to talk about this again. On my show yesterday, I went over it in depth because I needed people to see it early. So how are you?

I'm doing great, brother. Thanks for having me back. And yeah, I'm excited to get into this. And I say excited about the potential to expose. is it not necessarily the subject matter, but it's something I've been following. And I think that we might be early on this one still. There's only a few people talking about it, but I think it's not going away. Yeah, yeah.

And with her potential book coming out, who knows what's, you know, going to be stated within that. And, you know, so the entire point of this was that the premise was like, why did, why did Melania come out and suddenly speak about Epstein, you know, which a lot of people were very confused about. It just seemed like, you know, the obvious point was, it was something that I think they wanted to go away. And it wasn't going away, but to come out and be like, I'm not associated at Epstein, even though we know that's the case. You could prove it seemed like a very

weird thing to do. My first thought was like a lot of what we're seeing is that they're in a very bad way. I mean, they're, the Iran Blunder alone, but I mean, all of these topics, that some of this might be about just trying to use these other failures to deflect from something. But I thought the Epstein one was a little bit, you know, an odd choice. But your article was, it's entitled The Zampolia Malania Pact. Amanda Ungaro, Epstein Connections, and the elite. phone call. So let us know. This is an interesting story. Yeah. And, you know, on your, on your sort of intro there, I definitely was one of the people who, as soon as Melania gave her press conference, it's like, why, what is, why is this happening? So I think most people were,

because she's not a very public first lady. You know, she's actually known very much for her privacy and staying out of the limelight. She's actually doing more the second term than she did under the first. You know, a lot of first ladies do all kinds of stuff that you don't hear about. But She's particularly private, but this one, she's doing a bunch of stuff around AI that we've reported on in the past, promoting that in schools. And she's got different, you know, programs that she's involved in, but she hasn't really been involved in the limelight. She's definitely never spoke about her connections with Gilaena Maxwell or Jeffrey Epstein. And so the press conference just kind of came out of nowhere. And I remember when it happened, which was April night.

I was looking into how it was being interpreted, of course, in our alternative media space and in the mainstream. mainstream world, and pretty much everybody was asking this question. But I did notice that on Twitter, there was this conversation about Amanda Ungaro, who I actually wasn't previously aware of, but she's been reported on elsewhere. Whitney's reported on her, Whitney Webb, and others have in terms of her being one of the mini models that were associated with Jeffrey Epstein and his French connection modeling agent abuser Jean-Mu Cornell, that this model, Amanda Ungaro, who first came to the U.S. on Jeffrey Epstein's plane being brought by Jean-Loup Brinnell,

and she tells a whole story about them trying to give her drugs to transport, or at least what she suspected were drugs, and she turned it down, and how she briefly met Jeffrey Epstein, but beyond that, you know, she said she never said she was abused by him or anything like that. She just had associations with Jean-Loup-Rinnell, and then her eventual husband and now ex-husband, Paolo Zampoli, also around that time when he was 32 years old, and some reports say 15, she said,

said 17. I mean, I found multiple reports, including some claiming her words saying 15 and 17. So there's still some question, but it's in most places she would have been underage. When Paulus and Poli started to essentially groom her is one way I would describe it. She talks about how they met when she came over as a model and then she went back to Brazil. When she was in Brazil, he was sending her Easter gifts and presents and all kinds of stuff. So for years, you know, while she was, so if she was 15, up until she was 17, They claim that their actual relationship didn't start until she was of legal age. And, you know, they were married.

And there's many pictures you can find of Melania, Trump, Donald Trump, Paulson Polly, and Amanda Ungaro together, including with their now son, I believe his name is Giovanni. And you can, it's really interesting, too, because, I mean, I don't want to throw too much speculation in there. But it's just, to me, it comes across as weird. In these pictures, it's like they've wives swapped almost. not saying anything sexual happened, but it's just like Trump's staying there with Amanda. Melania is there with Apollo Zampoli. And the reason that's interesting besides just, okay, maybe they're just having a fun picture,

that there are claims that Melania may have actually not only, as we're going to get into and bit, had a relationship or some connection with Jeffrey Epstein, which she has very much denied and we're not trying to be sued here. We don't know that for certain. She's been very much suing companies and book publishers already for making these claims. But there have been some reports or rumors, however you want to put it, that she had a relationship with Paula Zampoli. I'm talking about Melania Trump and potentially Jeffrey Epstein before she ever met Donald Trump. And that that is one of the sort of secrets that may, they may be trying to cover up.

So we can't prove those things, but those are just how they all sort of interconnect, right? And again, Matt Maxwell is tied into all that. Quickly to your point, though, then this is in the article. And it's not like, you know, the point, the reality is that Epstein publicly state. did, and this is in the Epstein files, that he's the one that introduced Malani to Trump, right? So the idea that, and I think, I think it's obvious to see why this administration or anybody with this kind of philosophy will sue people that start to say things they don't like, you know, whether true or not, the point is that this is something that is

reportable, right? That Epstein made that claim. And so with all the other evidence, it's hard to sidestep that one. But that's something that's, that was one of the big pushes, right? And Zambole, as you write about, was very clear, you know, I'm the one that everybody knows that. But the way you wrote that in the article, by the way, on a side note was an interesting way he said that. Like, everyone knows that. They know that. We know that. But I'll give you that. Let's move forward. It's like what? You notice that. Yeah, that caught my ear too. So, yeah, I'm definitely going to get into outlining some more of what Polo's employee said. But like you mentioned, and as I do cover in the article, I kind of, I think I give three different

points of why Melania's story of, as she said in the press conference that we're discussing, I had nothing to do with Trump. I never met Jeff. I never had nothing to do with Jeffrey yet. I wasn't friends with Gillian Maxwell and she even sort of dismissed people saying that they were close. She called it, I think, a trivial note. But the email, I mean, they seem pretty chummy, pretty close, or at least Melania is pretending to be close and saying, you know, my love or, you know, you have my love and hope you're doing well, traveling around the world. I've seen this great article about Jeffrey Epstein. But Melania claims like, no, that was just in passing trivial. There's nothing there.

there and anybody who's saying that there is something there is just lying about me. So again, she gives this press conference. She's dismissive of all these different stories about her, but without saying specifically why. And so again, I'm just looking on Twitter, the chatter about this. And I noticed that Amanda Ngarro has started to post the day before, literally the night before Melania gave the press conference. And if you go back to her Twitter X account, you can see she was only tweeted a couple of times.

And she's actually tweeted and deleted a few things over the last. few weeks. But you can check the replies and see that she's replied and she started commenting I think right around this time April 8th, maybe April 7th on Melania's various accounts on Twitter saying things like you're into Pam Bondi as well, are you already aware of the situation? Do you understand the extent of the information I possess? I know you read some of the emails in your last report. People can find them in the article. But the point is Amanda and Garo starts speaking out and claiming she's got some inside information because again, Melania and Amanda and Garo were friends.

And as I covered in this article, Paolo Zambole was able to essentially at least assist or speed up the deportation of Amanda and Garo who apparently had some expired visa. There's also, I would say that's like a whole other story to dig into on its own, just because I want to make it clear because I don't necessarily think we should take the government's word for it and just believe what they're claiming. Because Amanda and her current husband, they had been arrested in Miami shortly before this.

and this is what led Paulo to say, oh, she's in jail in Miami. Well, let me see if I can get ICE. And so the New York Times reports that, you know, he calls some friends in the government, calls somebody at ICE and says, hey, this is a special case. It's important to the White House. You know, please move it along. But Amanda and Garo, she'd been tweeting and posting that that arrest was BS in the first place. They arrested them allegedly for fraud for operating a cosmetic surgery business without a license.

And, you know, I did read into that. There were some people alleging, or at least that's been the reporting in the mainstream in local news in Miami, because I did find local reports about this when they were arrested last year, saying that we found some clients who were operated on without a license and that some things had gone wrong or they had, not that they killed anybody, but some surgeries were maybe improper or that they had to fix things. You know, the details weren't clear. But the point is that's what she's accused of. But in the interviews I found, both in Spanish press, Brazilian press, and in the Italian media, Amanda and Garo is saying, excuse me, that those charges were trumped up from the beginning, and she believes Paulo's employee was involved in that as well.

And maybe with the help of Pam Bondi, so that's kind of where that tie in, why she's mentioning that. So again, that's like sort of a whole other thread. So it's unclear if we can even trust the government on their, you know, their claims of why she was being targeted in the first place. Of course, Paula's employee is like, well, Brazilian women are just crazy. This is my crazy ex-wife. and she was doing something illegal. I had nothing to do with it. And he does admit to calling ICE,

but he said he was just checking on her situation. Then he didn't do anything about it. Of course, they're in the middle of a custody battle, and that's one of the reasons why, at least the report from New York Times says that Paulo called ICE because he believed that this would assist him in his custody battle to say, hey, well, she got deported, so I should have custody of my son.

You know, it's, I mean, obviously that very well could be the way that it went down in regard to his phone call. But, you know, it's just insulting the way, like, it plays on the, I guess, willful ignorance of people who just want to pretend that it's not they would. If you're calling and saying, hey, look at her status. Is anybody confused about what that was? You know, it's obvious that that was, there was an intention there, do something, right? Now, whether they chose to or not, was the guy, I don't want to misquote it, the guy's

name, I can look at real quick, Venture, Venturella or something like that, the ICE agent. It's just, you know, the idea that that's not, there's something being done there with what's going on with ice, with what we. all been reporting on, it's pretty clear that there's a pretty fast and loose operation happening there. And so it's worth looking into, you know, but the idea of the cosmetic, uh, cosmetic surgery allegations, I guess it's just coincidence or convenient that they never had to follow through with that because she's no longer in the country, right? So the idea would be we might have been able to find out whether those were valid claims if they hadn't deported her in the process, you know? And so

the whole thing seems very, you know, and it's the corruption from left and right of this government is obvious historically around things just like this. So we shouldn't be questioning that. Like question, but we shouldn't be dismissing it, I meant to say. Go ahead. Yeah, no, absolutely to your point, I definitely did see at least two reports that were making that point clear that now that she has been deported, the case against her and her husband, who I believe he may have been deported to, her new husband, you know, it's basically,

it's Nolan void now because she's not in the United States. So she's not going to be that trial or that. accusation is not going to go forward about her committing some sort of fraud. So nevertheless, she's now in Brazil and she starts speaking out. She starts posting on Twitter right before, again, the night before Melania gives this press conference. So some people, if there's a few other people who are following this, I mean, literally, I think most of the people really following this are probably less than five to ten that I've seen, a couple of random videos on Instagram and elsewhere. But I tried to do this article was really collect all those pieces and make it a coherent story

of who these people are and why it matters. Because I want to say one point before we get further into the details. I know that there's probably going to be comments to this video saying they tend to pop up of this is just, you know, Epstein itself is a distraction. It's funny because before people are saying other things were a distraction from Epstein, but now it's Epstein's a distraction from other things. And you kind of touched on this, I know, in your show, and I've seen some others talk about this. And I think it's important to, at least for a moment, just pause there and encourage the audience, anybody listen to this, not to fall into that sort of, I think, incorrect framing that everything's a distraction from everything else.

I think there's times where we can look at mainly pop culture events, I would say. Like, for example, watch the moon landing or pay attention to this Super Bowl or whatever sort of thing that can be used as a way to distract the masses from maybe what we would argue are more important events. However, I think we're fully capable of having more than one thought at a time and that everything does need to be a distraction from everything else. It could be possible that we could care about what's going on Iran and care what Israel's up to and talk about EPSING and be concerned about digital IDs. you know, we can do more than one thing at a time. And so I don't really think this idea that, well, by talking about this, in this case, Epstein and Melania, is a distraction from us talking about other things. There's time to do all of it.

And also, everybody doesn't need to talk about everything. So I just want to kind of pause on this. I see that coming up a lot. Always, always. That's a very important point. Now, to what I was saying before and where we currently are, I think there's two points to make right there, I think. One, you're absolutely right.

And I talk about this often on the show. It can't just be a, you know, deflection. in a sense just because it's something, I agree with you. But what's important to highlight is that those do exist though. And I know you agree with that, right? There are things that are done purely get people down a rabbit hole to get you

looking a different direction. So we should always question whether that might be happening. But to your point, we shouldn't just be assuming that that's the thing because, you know, that's a bad thing to do in any sense. But I also would add that right now in this current situation, I think we all kind of sense were at least

a peak, like a peak here, a fever pitch. I mean, who knows where it's higher than it's ever been, but we're clearly at a moment. I think that is more of an obvious time for that to be possible. So that's why I was thinking about this. Like I try to avoid that in general because I think it's sort of a cop out, just to, you know, without knowing it rather,

just to make that argument. But where we are now, I am very much on guard to that. And I'm just thinking about, is that possible? Is that a moment? Like, because here's why my logic in this. There's plenty of things they've done that. I'm thinking like, you know, why would that? Like, why would she come out and say that?

It just doesn't like make much sense. Now, just because it doesn't make sense doesn't mean that then that's the reason. There might be something involved that we just don't know. But it's very much worth asking, I think, right now more than ever, because they are floundering. You know, I mean, look at Trump's, we may get into Ron a bit today. They just incessant lie after lie in ways that are just in possibly embarrassing for him. So you wonder whether that might be kind of the case, you know? But so to your point about the, which one was you were making right there?

Which point were you talking about not being the deflection? Which was the point? what just talking about in general like us discussing epstein because i know some people right now kind of feel like i've just seen a few various black pill takes of like look we all get it epstein is exposed at this point talking about it you're just feeding into the drama of you know whatever no that's sort of thing and it's probably go ahead just real quick probably particularly because in this case people might say well this is just some personal rich people drama like you know what does this have to do with the cost of living or the food that

I'm putting on my dinner plate, which I totally can empathize with. And the reason, as we're going to get into, is because if there is truth to these claims, which aren't just unsubstantiated, I mean, I wouldn't just be reporting on this, it was like, hey, random people on the internet think that Melania, you know, this and that. You mentioned, of course, we have the Epstein email. Now, of course, Epstein is a biased person, and we don't know if we could fully trust him, but that's at least one player involved in the next is claiming he was the one who did something. And then you have Amanda and Garo speaking up, and as we're going to talk about now,

talking to the Italian media and phone calls starting to come out. So it starts to add a little bit of layer like, is there some agreement between Melania, Trump, and Donald Trump, and Palo Zampoli and potentially with Jeffrey Epstein to keep things secret? And there's, you know, certain certain, you pat me on, you know, you scratch my back, all scratch yours, Palos and Poli being awarded positions, etc. going on. And the bigger question that we've all been wondering for a while.

Now, is Israel involved in that relationship? Because if that is true, And this is more than just some rich person's drama, you know, back and forth. He said, she said, which I understand if people feel that way because we can't prove it yet. But if it's true, it's not just thickering between ex-wives and husbands. It means that, as we suspected, there's a deal with powerful people involving intelligence agencies, keeping secret certain relationships. And that's made itself all the way to the White House, potentially the first lady and the president of the United States.

So to me, that's why it's more than an distraction. 100%. And make sure we talk about that in case. that just lives with mine because that seems to be, and it's not just because, you know, it's, it is a central part of this story because of how it ties in with a lot of the things we'll discuss, but the interesting part with the article ends. And I do want to talk about that. But back to your point quickly about Epstein, that's actually what I wanted to make sure I addressed is that it's interesting to me. To what you were kind of saying is that first, it was sort of like the

people that do that, you know, whatever, that's a distraction, this distraction without really thinking it through, have jumped from that is now to that is, or that other things are distracting from it, that now that is the distraction. The point is regardless of of any of the other narratives. Like, this is, this is what's so fascinating. I think honest people are already aware of this, that the Epstein file conversation was never brought to fruition. You know, you know this.

There's millions of more emails. In fact, whether or not even agree with what needs to come out, they broke the law in like four very fundamental ways, like provable ways in the way that they went through that process. And Massey, I think he's still calling it up, but I don't even sure if he's doing much about it. I hope he does, like actually go further. So the point in saying all that is that there's very much a story there.

And even aside from the fact that like the actual inner workings of how they processed it or handled it, it's a story about massive foreign influence about massive sexual blackmail networks that everyone knows existed now. They used to pretend it wasn't even real. Now that we got what? Some files that pointed to things that never got resolved. We're supposed to go, yep, it's over. Like that's not an honest argument. And I know you agree with that.

Like it's just insane. So it's important to see that it's like while addressing it objectively and considering that it could be, this is a story that needs to be fleshed out further. And that's why this story itself, even a tangential, is tied directly to that, to all the parts of it, from the blackmail network, to the political influence to the foreign power. And that's why I thought this was such an important article. So I hope people hear that. So go ahead.

Absolutely. Yeah. So getting back into the meat of the article now here again. So Amanda Engar was deported. She's in Brazil now. Paulo Zamoli has custody of her son and he posts on Instagram and post on Twitter because I don't know if we mentioned this but Trump did appoint him to the his official title is this US Special Envoy for Global Partnership.

So he's constantly tweeting pictures with him meeting of heads of state in Europe and elsewhere and cutting different deals. I don't know exactly what that position does. I did look up a little bit about it. It just seems like, you know, I guess as a diplomatic role, but it seems like another way that people who are related to the president or connect to the president can use these various influences to create business arrangements that I'm sure going to make them even wealthier into the future. And he seems to be doing things like that. So he was awarded this. He was officially made this in

March. He was also part of Trump's first administration, I think towards the end, which when we get into this new phone call that's come out, that kind of makes sense because this would have been after this alleged pact happened and he gets a position in the White House and then gets another position here in Trump's second term, which we mentioned he used apparently, he reported. to deport his wife. And so now Amanda Engaro is tweeting. She's posting. She's trying to speak up more vocally.

She has her messages closed on Twitter, so I haven't been able to get in touch with her, but I have tweeted at her and tried to communicate with her directly. There appears to be there's a gentleman called Anthony Andrews on Twitter, and I think he's got a substack. He posts a lot about her as well, and I don't know if he's in direct contact with her. It seems like he may be.

But other than that, she hasn't been speaking to any American. American media, there's been some teasing of, as you mentioned, this book coming out and potentially Anthony said yesterday, actually on Twitter after I posted my investigation that he heard and I don't know what his sources are. So take this, you know, for whatever it's worth, Grant Assault, that she is going to be speaking to a committee soon. That's all he said. He didn't say which committee, whether it's the U.S., whether it's political committee, I assume so. You know, there's, maybe it's something to come and some more Epstein hearings. I don't know. We did just get word that Pam Bondi is actually going to be having to testify in front of Congress on May 29th about Epstein, even though she's no longer in her position.

There was some question about whether that was going to allow her to weasel out of it. But it was just reported that yesterday that there's going to be a hearing on 29. So maybe Amanda and Garo could potentially be involved in some future hearings. We don't know anything about that yet. All I know is that she's been tweeting and occasionally retweeting people. And she seems to have kind of calmed down as far as like constantly, posting on Melania because there was a few days there where she was really posting quite a bit. And as I said, some of those have been taken down, I think by herself, just deleting things.

And she started, though, to speak to Brazilian media station, a channel called O'Global, and then the Spanish paper El Pais. And then most recently, the Italian media company, RAI, or just the report. And so she's- Make papers, too. Yeah, these are not just like random blogs or anything like that. Like, it's not just not to say there's anything wrong with random. blogs and that they can't report news, but these are legacy media outlets that are reporting

this information. It's just not happening in the U.S., but again, Portuguese media, Brazil, where she's from, Spanish media, and the now Italian media. So I've been kind of following those reports and there's been bits and pieces of it, but to me, the most relevant and I think potentially revelatory reporting has come from the Italian media in the last two weeks. And there may be more tonight, you know, this evening as we're recording this, they've been dropping this report every Sunday for the last three weeks. So the first one was called the Epstein War. Second one was called the Shark.

And then the third one, I can't recall what the name of it is. And it hasn't specifically mentioned anything about Amanda and Garo, but they're absolutely focused on Palo Zambole. So they're kind of, and he's Italian. Of course, I don't know if I mentioned that. His last name is Ampoly. So that's, I think, why they're interested in the cases. They're sort of using it as a way to attack him or investigate him and cover things about him.

And so their series has focused on his role to Epstein, Amanda Ngaros claimed as well as different things. And this one tonight seems to be more related with his relationship with the Harvey Weinstein case. And that's a whole other thing we can get into if you want. But it's those two reports that I started to see on Twitter. And of course, they're in Italian. And they're also behind a paywall. But thanks to two awesome volunteers out there, you guys know who you are.

If you see this, they were able to help me rip those videos and then get the transcript. And then we translated it and then added the subtitle. So I download those videos and I have them saved on my computer, watched and listen to them with English subtitles. I double-checked them with some Italian friends, so to make sure that translations are accurate. And then, of course, some of the R.A., their own reports, they do have some in tech, so I translated some of those. So just to make it clear, that's where these are coming from. This is not just me trusting what other people are saying about the Italian media. I did watch them and translate them myself and double-checked them.

So we know that these quotes that are being reported are accurate. That's the reason I share that. And what Amanda is sharing is that she believes that there is a pact between Melania, Trump, and Palo's and Poli. She's obviously very, very upset about the way that Paolo's been using his power and influence against her. And she, I think, feels abandoned by the Trumps and by Melania particularly. Like she says at one point, she said, Melania started being the first to wish my son a happy birthday. She was the first to send him a big gift delivered by a Secret Service. From that point on, we were invited to everything, New Year, Easter, Christmas, every occasion.

And again, you can find, if you search Amanda Ungar on Melania Trump, you will find a number of pictures with them and their husbands together. So the relationship does appear to be real. Of course, Paolo himself, he told the Italian media that that was false. And his claims, he says that they spent maybe 10 seconds together 10 years ago. So he really downplayed or kind of dismissed Amanda's version of events, but there are quite a pit of pictures of them together. And so Amanda Angaro seems to be, that's where she's first started tweeting at Melania. And again, this is why some people suspect or wonder, is this why Melania chose like, hey, we need to go ahead and do this press conference. And I want, we'll add this detail that I saw reported a few places in the mainstream that Trump didn't even know that the press conference was going to happen.

I mean, who knows if that's just part of a narrative, whatever, to kind of, you know, this came out of nowhere. and Trump didn't even see it. Maybe it's true. Maybe he didn't, and they don't really seem to have a super close relationship. A lot of people have commented on that. Like many politicians, their relationship seems to be maybe fake or these, you know, circumstantial, beneficial for other reasons for the both of them. And so it's possible that she just did this all our own and kind of surprised Trump. It's possible that's just BS. But either way, like that's when that's what Amanda I think is upset about is that she's abandoning her while her son's getting deported. She's acting like she doesn't know her. She's speaking out. Amanda is saying like, you know, she's full of it.

And she also said this. I'll just quote her here again about the story that Paolo's on Polly claiming that he's the one who introduced Melania of Trump. She says, Paula always says, I'm the one who introduced Melania of Trump. But now in the documents released by the DOJ, it says that it was Epstein who did it. So there's a lot more behind the story than it appears. And that's just a reference to that same email that we've already touched on. So she clearly is reading the files and seeing the same things. And for one reason or another, maybe she has no other.

inside knowledge other than that. She was obviously this guy's wife. They had a kid together. She's friends with him. That could be her subtle way of saying like, hey, there's something to this. Maybe she's being careful about just spilling out everything she knows. It certainly seems that way. And then again, she says that she believes that there's a secret pact, quote, behind all of this, there's a deal he, Zampoli, made with Melania because he isn't close to Trump. He's close to Melania. Plain and simple, his relationship with Trump goes through Melania. That's what she told Italian media. So, you know, this is, this is her claim. She says, quote, he goes to Melania. I want to be the ambassador to Italy. Melania, you have to give me a position of title. But I ask, how can Trump appoint

a U.S. ambassador, someone who does drug? She's just sidebar. She's accused of impole of being on cocaine pretty often. Someone who isn't even American, but an immigrant. So it's Melania who's supporting them. It's Melania who's pushing them between them. There's a pact, a deal. I'm 100% sure. That's her claim. Again, she doesn't say I've seen a written document, anything like that. But that's the basic claim that we have here. And I'll go more into a second how they, the second report that they just released, they actually released audio of a call that appears to have some polly discussing some sort of deal. One quick note, I think is very interesting. And I also want to talk about what they said in regard to the Christmas cards and whatever else. As Ampoly said, in regard to Trump, you know,

this is secondarily about the Daily Mail lawsuit, so on. But it says, I'm in this country, thanks to President Trump. He gave me a job. I started in real estate and built myself a nice house. I would never betray a friend. And so what I want to point out there is just really just my politics work, but in this sense, what this administration has done more than I've ever seen, at least publicly. And I think it's just, and I mean that in a general sense, not necessarily with this point, but then thinking of this, the reality of my mind is that these kind of people, you know, this is how this is how Trump operates, you know, that this person has been ingratiated. He feels that he owes Trump, and so he will never betray Trump. And so,

comes to something about whether there's a crime or whatever else, that the argument would be this person would choose to side with him instead of the truth. That's my opinion. I think that's what most people around this orbit do. We see that in the administration itself. Just an interesting point there. And to what she was saying about him, but then to the other point, wherever the paragraph is, my thought on the idea of what she was saying, I have another read on that, just an opinion, but the timing is interesting, right? So she says when they were elected, rather when Trump was elected the first time. It seems to suggest that that's when that started,

that then she started sending birthday cards and wishing him happy birthday. And I'm thinking to myself, why wouldn't it have been happening before? So it's like my opinion is that there was a moment there where she's thinking, okay, we got to keep this person happy. The same way Zampoli and the rest are being kept happy because they know things.

Completely my opinion. But think about whether that, you know, the idea of how this operates in a general sense and ask whether that might be part of what's happening here, you know? Could be. Yeah, it could be. I'm just rereading the quote again. And so it says, quote, but when Trump decided to run for president, Melania started being the first to wish my son a happy birthday.

She would send him a big gift. Yes. I mean, it could be, like you said, it could be related to that time. And just since you mentioned it here, go ahead. No, sorry, sorry. You're under a microscope at that time. That's why I thought. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. So since we mentioned, I'll just bring up the real quick, just the daily mail to kind of bring that into reference. So we have a timeline here. So we know Trump announces candidacy 2015. He's elected. He starts presidency, January 2017. So a couple of years back, there was a report. This is not the first time we're reporting.

This has been out there that there was a report that Paula Zampoli, that he had some knowledge or some involvement, or maybe it's just his friendship with them. We don't know exactly. But the point is Melania sued the Daily Mail in 2017. So this is as the Trumps are coming into office after being elected, based on some articles that were written, And I believe they were actually published during the election.

So this would have been when he was candidate Trump and she was, you know, potential first lady. And so, of course, people are digging up dirt. And Daily Mail finds, which again, daily mail we get that it's seen as like kind of a rag and tapley by a lot of people in the UK. I think they deserve that title in many cases. And I've seen them break stories as well that other people don't want to touch because they're willing to kind of go on a limb, maybe sometimes too far. But they've definitely, I think, were reported on a bunch of stuff that has also come out to be true. So just to throw that out there. But in this case, they get sued by Melania Trump.

The articles initially claim that she had been a, you know, it's basically an expensive escort, which kind of brings her into that world of, you know, the Trump's and the models. And we know she's a former model and Epstein and all that sort of stuff. And then again, this is a big part of the puzzle that I do focus on in the article a little bit, just the modeling and fashion. I've talked about this before with Peter Nygaard and Jean Lou Pernel, that there's something, John Casablanca's, I mean, elite management.

This is one of the things that Paoloz and Paule and Epstein were working on. They wanted to buy elite management. Paulus and Polly owned ID. So he's in that whole modeling world. He's the one who meets Amanda Ungaro after Jean-Luc Brinnell brought her there. So Melania being a model is important piece of the puzzle. Davy Mail was claiming she was also an expensive high-priced escort. She sues them.

And then this new audio, which came out last Sunday in the Italian media, Paulus and Polly can be heard saying, I wrote the document for the president and for the first lady. They used it for the speech. With the daily mail, we just want an enormous case, an enormous case. I can't talk about it because I have a confidentiality agreement, and I still have to cash the check. We won last week.

I am in this country, thanks to President Trump. He gave me a job, again, started what she just said, to start in real estate, build myself in my house. So to me, it's like all of that together, that kind of sounds like an admission of some type of agreement. Again, probably not a written agreement, but maybe just how these things work, a handshake of like, look, you know, I'll help you guys.

He says they used it for their speech. I wrote the document. So there's maybe different ways to interpret that. It could be as it relates to the lawsuit. Maybe he wrote their arguments for the lawsuit. There's a few ways to interpret it. But that's what he claims. And of course, he says he's under a confidentiality agreement.

Of course. He says, I'm in this country, thanks to the president. We won last week. So he's tying himself into the case by saying he's claiming there's some type of confidentiality agreement. and he's saying that he wrote some document for them, and then that because of Trump, he's in the country, he said he has a job. So that sounds like to me there's some type of arrangement, again,

whether a written, just verbal handshake. Now, is that related to Epstein? We don't know exactly. It could just be that, hey, I helped you out with this thing. And so we're going to reward you back by getting you a job and this and that. Amanda and Garo and others are claiming actually, you know, the pact is not just that he was helping. Melania with his lawsuit, but because he knows the secret that Epstein was the one to introduce them, that he will kind of, hey, I'll say I'm the one who did it. I'll tell everybody I'm the one who introduced y'all. We'll go with that narrative. We'll go with that story. I will testify in court to that. As he actually had recently, he spoke up again after Melania's press conference said, I'm willing to testify in front of the U.S. Congress to prove that I'm the one who introduced Melania to Trump and that it wasn't Jeffrey Epstein. So if that was the agreement, he's playing his role. If that was a pact they made where I will stand by this story and I will.

you know, whatever happens, I'll stand by. I'm the one here introduced you guys, help you out in court here. You get a job, you get rewarded, and, you know, here we are. That is kind of the crux of the whole claim here. That hasn't been proven fully yet, but that's what Amanda and Garo is claiming. That's what we have on the audio recording. But what do you think, man? I mean, how do you interpret what do you say in that call?

Well, I mean, I agree with you. And I think, I mean, for, I want to touch on the connections of the Trump circle to Epstein, which should be enough right now to go like, yes, that's very. weird. But, you know, the whole thing with him, the whole, I mean, it all very clear, you know, pay to play kind of dynamic, right? I mean, he first, well, actually, the thought that jumped my head while you were saying that right there was that's the kind of person that disappears, right? The kind of guy, not the person that's out there yelling, I know things. And that happens too. But the person who clearly is, you know, he's clearly not like, as you wrote in the article,

he's known for sort of just like broadcasting his, his ties to the Trumps and using that politically. That's not somebody who everyone enjoys, right? In my opinion, like not him personally, but that kind of person that's like flouting the relationship to get inside and the rest of the kind of, you know, the inner people, you know, anyway, the person that does that that, that knows something that plays ball, you know, that I just think that's something to think about if you were him, you know, you're the uncomfortable person that's in the way of that story. But so the obvious reality here is that I think most people in their inner circle and their orbit very much play that game, you know, it's an exchange of power, you know, and I think,

honestly, a lot of us have wondered this because, you know, post-epstein, but even well before, is just the way political, this political system works, or rather politics. You know, that I got something on you, you've got something on me, we can trust each other, or we can work together because we have that mutual, you know,

mutual insurer destruction kind of a game. So the point is that he has some kind of an agreement to not say anything. Well, whether there's a pact or not, I think it's quite evident that he does. And that's back to the point that, you know, look at this. So you covering the article as well, that he even admits that, well,

he did potentially start to get in this process of buying this agency because Epstein wouldn't have been able to because he wasn't in fashion. Well, fine. So whatever the point is, if misrepresented in the article, you knew him. We know that. You worked with him. And you were willing to become business partners with the guy. And you even admit that you knew that he worked with, that he worked, you know, had sexual operations with minors. He admits that in the quote you put in the article. So like, I'm going to stand back and look at that picture. How in the world are you going to frame that guy, even if part of what they're saying is more of an, you know, hyperbolic. He's, he's part of this, you know, and so it's weird. It's like we're ignoring a person who's

telling you he knew what Epstein did, telling you even besides that he's willing to work with him. And that's tied directly to Trump. And then my point is stand back and look at how every one of them are like that, like for a large degree. And then we're, then we're, imagine if that was Biden, how what they'd be saying about that. You know, the point is I think we realize it's all of it. But I guess I'm just trying to highlight that there's just this willful ignorance from certain people to see how objectively that he's compromised just like all the rest of them are, but it's happening

there too. You know, and so that this whole thing for me feels like an effort to I guess just kind of couch it in one conversation. Like the Epstein thing in general, like just put it behind us. I doubt that's going to happen. I think Republicans are calling it out more than anybody right now. Yeah, thankfully it's not

going away. I did want to mention I just checked while we were sitting here talking on the Justice Department website. And when you go to the Epstein Library, you search them Poli. It shows 18 different results. I've read through some of these. I haven't read all of them, but, you know, and not say every email, of course, is a sign of guilt for anybody who appears an email automatically, but in his case, we know he did have a relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. So them having emails is just for the proof of that. And it does matter. I mean, again,

we're not saying guilt by association because you got necessarily just because you have shady friends, you're a shady person. But in this world where these people only surround themselves with people who are in that kind of world, whether it's business, whether it's modeling, politics, the intersection of that, and then these trafficking networks, you know, you see these same names. And yeah, and like I said, there is Zampoli connection to Weinstein and him helping out Weinstein. And Whitney's covered that, and it's been reported in the New York Times. In fact, again, I think tonight that's what the Italian media is going to focus on. They have a recording that hasn't been released prior.

There's been just reports of this call where Zampoli himself basically was talking to a accuser of Harvey Weinstein. and said, look, I'm going to screw them over. We're going to get the most powerful lawyer. You just tell me what you know, what you know, and I'll help you out. Basically got, I think her name was Melissa Thompson, got her to share her old story, and then took control of it, and he basically was working for Weinstein's attorneys at the time. So just again, more kind of the way he operates and who he runs in. But there's deeper connections that I covered here as well, all going back to modeling,

modeling industry, New York City, the Trump's, you know, this introduction of them. And Zampoli connecting with Jeffrey Epstein. We already talked about the email from Ms. Trump and Melania Trump to Gilane. How are you? Nice story about Jeffrey and New York Mag. You look great on the picture. I know you're very busy flying all of the world. How is Palm Beach?

I cannot wait to go down. Give me a call when you're back in New York. Have a great time. Love Melania. Doesn't sound like a trivial note. You know, somebody who doesn't know somebody at all. And I saw also, this might be worth stopping here, Ryan, to go to the other one. you mentioned that while we're talking about Galang, that she's potentially, we've been hearing

and knowing that there's potential for her to get a pardon soon. You know, that's been in the cards and Trump's lawyer, Todd Blanche, who's now replaced Pam Bondi. Seems like they're setting that up for it. And you shared this report. I hadn't seen this one, but it's coming from Julie K. Brown, who was with the Miami Herald, who was one of the people who did the first mainstream report, at least back in 2019. And so she's writing on her substack. saying that she's got some, you know, leaked email of Gleine Maxwell emailing her sister. And it seems like she's kind of hinting at the potential for a deal coming up or that, you know, she's going to give up names and if she can get free and things like that.

And that's what many of us have suspected whether or not she gives up anything or not, especially in concern or relation to the potential of what she might know about Trump, that Trump would go ahead and reward her for her silence. And again, he's downplayed their connection, their relationship as well. But yeah, we'll see if that comes out, right? Because, again, I get that people are probably some people are look. We've got the Epstein files. We've talked about this.

We could go on this forever. But that's because this is just a small snippet of preview of this network. What I, you know, what I've called the Pyramid of Power, the Predator class, well, this is them. I mean, this isn't necessarily the top of the pyramid per se, but this is, as you were saying, a moment ago, right? How this world operates. And that's trading secrets. That's you scratch my back all scratch yours. And that includes.

pardoning people. That includes rewarding people with political jobs. It includes business contracts. It includes, you know, potentially helping with cover up your other crimes that you may be involved in. So this is this network is still very much running the show and still very much in power. Trump did not get rid of it. He did not clean house. I agree. Yeah. And I know you're just saying that to make a point with what you're saying there, but I don't agree. But to be clear again, we did not get the Epstein files, right? We got what they wanted us to see through that as if it was everything and even admitting we that the rest of it didn't even come out you know it's not important to understand but even

if we had your point would still be the same right it's like there's still more than just this one focal point you know so it's that's very important to this and i do want to touch on john luke for now really quickly before we touch on the israeli connection but you know this whole thing is so interesting now comer had recently come out in congress and said that they were like he again if you saw that as well openly stated that many of them are interested like considering whether she might get a pardon. Like right now in our Congress, I don't even know how in the world we can go from

what was happening before this administration to them flirting with the idea of a pardon as if that's something like nobody seems to want that. So I just find this, this to me speaks, we shouldn't assume, right? As always, we don't know. There could be something we can't even fathom driving this. But it's obvious that it may well be what we all think, right?

Did she knows something, that she has information on Trump, that obviously seems present in this conversation, and that ultimately giving her pardon will make that go away. I think that's, you know, and it might well legally be used to put this away, whether we all wanted to come out or not. So I find that just to be insane. And so whether or not she sacrifices a big name or even on top of that,

that could be used to go after an adversary. Why are we going to believe what Maxwell says? She could literally name something, you know, Biden and everything fits in place for what his narrative becomes, you know, and absolutely. Biden could be just as guilty. I wouldn't dismiss that possibility, but we should be skeptical. of what they're doing yeah absolutely i mean even if you imagine that trump um is guilty of nothing which you know there's there's not hard evidence for there's been accusations with uh the katy johnson case

and there's problems with that case and there's been other things of course we know his character in the way he speaks about women so it wouldn't be surprising to a lot of people but that's not um been proven yet but even if that's the case let's say trump is completely 100% guilt-free and his only problem was being associated knowing geoffrey upstine and not having said anything until it was after the fact, which is documented. Even if that's the case, as you mentioned, Maxwell could then just name whoever she thinks Trump would appreciate or would prefer to be like, hey, point the finger at the Clintons or point the finger at Obama or whoever, name one of my enemies, or maybe even just some

low-level person that Trump can say, see, it wasn't me, it was them. And she knows that that will serve her ends as well. So it's not even just the potential for covering up Trump's alleged or potential crimes if they do exist, but helping Trump, as you were saying, Ryan, to direct that energy towards whatever his enemy is. And a lot of people would laugh that up, especially if it was like the Clintons or something. People like, see, though we've finally proven the demonic Democrats, it's just them that are pedophiles. It's not our quote-unquote side. And I mean, why people would trust her word for it. I don't know. But yeah, that's, I think, probably where we're headed and hopefully

not. But we'll see. And to kind of bring that back to the article, the reason that also matters is as we know and as you've reported on myself, Whitney, and many people know by now, hopefully everybody, that Gilein Maxwell's father, Robert Maxwell had been suspected of being an Israeli agent and all kinds of different reasons to believe that was the case. And he was, of course, mysteriously fell off his yacht and, you know, some believe she took over the network that he was involved in with the Mossad and with his media empire. And so those connections have been around with this the ital uh excuse me the israeli uh accusations for a while now you were going to say really quickly i mean i you know god bless you for your objectivity objectivity like you know my same

the same thing people accuse me of being of you know irritatingly objective but couldn't we argue that maxwell was a proven msod agent i definitely think i mean they that you've seen the reports i'm sure that they came and they gave him like a massad funeral like or there was a massad agents playing music or they laid the flag or something like i can't remember the details but yeah There's there's definitely good reasons. I'd say that we could, we could say that comfortably for sure. I mean,

it just think it's worth noting that it's like those, this is what you're going to get from people in the genuine, objective, nonpartisan independent media is objectivity. And even when it's, you know, like I would argue that that's like something that's like all the call, almost collectively acknowledged. But, you know, proven. You know, that's fair, you know,

but it's just worth noting. But it's. Also, it's pointing one direction. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But what you're saying before. Go ahead. And then I. Yeah.

So. So, yeah, so we've been talking about, you know, the Epstein Network. And again, we started with Amanda Garo and her accusations against her ex-husband. And he's definitely a scientist as well, Paula Zampoli. So, you know, just to add that to the data points you got. And this claim of a pact between Melania and Paulus and Poli and potentially Donald Trump as well. And what that might entail, if it's just secrets about whatever, you know, this daily mail thing. or if it is, in fact, covering up of what Jeffrey Epstein claimed, which again, we have to take with the great assault, that he was the one who introduced the two of them, not Palo Zambole.

And if that is true, and if we also can surmise that Jeffrey Epstein was working with Givane Maxwell and her father's Moss, or tied to Israeli intelligence, the Israel narrative is hard to ignore, and we would be doing a disservice to not mention it. And so that's why it's interesting that in the Italian report, they do an interview with Ari Ben Manash, who has been very, vocal for a long time and you can find, and Whitney's reporting back as far as 2019 and others talking about how he, of course, for those who don't know him, he's the former executive director for Israel's directorate of military intelligence. So worked for the Israeli government. He's an arms dealer, you know, had this crazy life, and he's still out there speaking about this. And in this report from the Italian media, he essentially repeats what he said before that, you know,

Epstein was part of this Israeli network. but he's even more specific to the point in a way that I haven't seen him mentioned before. I could be wrong. Maybe he said this before. But his exact quote was, they have photos of Melania with Epstein. Trump isn't the point. Melania is. And he says this after kind of telling the story about, you know, a nuclear bomb.

He's like, there's a fiction book about a nuclear bomb in New York and Israel using that nuclear bomb to blackmail U.S. politicians. He's kind of just using this to tell the story. And he said, well, Israel does have a metaphor. nuclear bomb to use against American politicians, including Trump. And he says, in this case of Trump, it is that there are pictures of Epstein and Melania doing who knows what, but something that proves, maybe just them looking friendly and proves like, hey, that looks like boyfriend and girlfriend or something like that, and that is being used

as the so-called nuclear bomb against the Trumps. And so that is, again, it's separate from what Amanda Engarwell claiming she didn't say that herself, but this is somebody who's worked for the Israeli intelligence previously and has been saying for years that Epstein was part of Israeli intelligence or at least part of their networks. And now he's saying that the real metaphorical nuclear bomb against Trump is something, as photos that would prove that Epstein and her and Melania had a relationship, which obviously they wouldn't want out. So that's kind of where that goes from that particular part of the story. I just found this so, so very. I mean, this is like, you know, as you said,

Whitney talked about this 2019. It's frustrating, obviously, how these things, have been here, but it's, it's important in this timeframe. Like, that's what I'm, when I did my show yesterday or day before, I made, I made this connection to what's currently happening. Because look, this is not some, this is a person who has standing, somebody who is inside, right? Maybe not immediately, but I argue, you know, most of these people maintain some level of political influence, you know, and that this guy understands this and he's speaking, take question it like we should anything, to the idea that Israel has this. So let's just take it in a broader sense. just sexual blackmail material. Well, isn't that exactly what we're all, yes, that's what this was.

And many of us, whether R.K. or Trump or anything else, are going, you know, is there not something that's making these people act against their interests, make one of the most narcissistic, human, hubris-driven people I've ever seen do things that seem to deliberately make himself look stupid? You know, it's like, that's still maybe, maybe there's something I don't see. But it seems very clear that there is something driving people to take actions that are counter to American interest at a time when it's never been more important to do exactly that, when you've got like your entire political career of knife's edge, you know, and so he's saying they have pictures of Malani. And then that ties back into this bigger point of her saying

that, of what Ungaro is arguing about, the pact. I think, you know, I'm going to be clear. This is not, part of this is not proven, right? There's, all these data points are proven, but whether this is what it shows is not. But I've never seen in like an unproven data point driven story that seems more clear than this. Like, you know what I mean? mean like it's like everything seems very perfectly lined up i would argue if there's anything that we don't this probably just adds to the story the reality what i'm trying to say i think it's very obvious the opinion of mine is that this is exactly what we're dealing with the trump was compromised probably biden too by the way because you have to understand Biden during his administration

maintained the genocide did all the same thing so what do they have on biden you know see that's what we should be asking right now and i think that's what that shows you know so question it definitely but my god what an important thing to realize as we're as this country is literally being thrown against Iran in every possible way and, you know, I guess it's not slowing down. I mean, we don't even have to get into it today since I think this is an important conversation to focus on, but that seems relevant, you know, to what's driving this massive change in the world right now against his own personal wishes, you know? I'll just add to that. So in the, in the RAA, the Italian report, when they interviewed R.A. Ben Monash, he does mention that, again,

he's not providing evidence, but he says he believes that the Iran war, that the reason Trump is in the Iran war is because they're using this to blackmail him. He said that specifically, and he brought up the point that I know many people are aware by this point, that in the months leading up to the Iran, the initial attack in February, or not the initial, obviously has been going on for a while, but this year's attack, you have the recorded visits of Netanyahu to the White House, like, you know, I think six or seven times in the weeks leading up to the attack. So Ari Ben Manash was arguing that it is related. And he said, you know, why do you think that they're attacking Iran? I don't think he's, in his words, he said, I think Trump didn't want to go in there. But they have this leverage over him. And so they're going to get him to do whatever, whatever they want. Well, let's not forget in the last negotiation point.

What, I mean, this, I don't know, I'm surprised this even became a known point seeing us how it kind of highlights the problem, but it somehow became very public. Oh, I remember, I know because of the other mediators in the room that Vance got a phone call. But I guess how did it come out? that it was Netanyahu, because that's what happened, probably Netanyahu let that become public, that Netanyahu calls the vice president in the midst of this, and that's why it all fell apart. You know, these are points that you, I mean, at some point you have to really stand back and look at, as always, question that there might be more, don't assume anything, but guys, this picture

is pretty damn clear. You know, that's my point earlier about Trump and the, you know, embarrassing himself with the lies that we just keep seeing our lies one after another. I might have said that in the earlier interview today in the morning. But either way, the point being is there's obvious examples where he's doing things that just, that, you know, I mean, deliberately almost make himself look stupid. And I don't even see Trump as a person who's capable of that. You know, like, using his own, like, I would argue most politicians would always rather look incompetent than criminal. Trump, I think, walks that line because I think he cares more about half the time I see him make arguments that I think make him look criminal to make it sure he doesn't look weak. You know,

that's how I read him. So that's, I just, I feel like this is exactly what's happening. And I don't I don't argue, it's just Israel or Zionism. I think there's multiple. There are elements here, but it's very clear that there is some kind of pressure point. And you could argue that's being applied from not, you know, the anybody else just to make it broad, you know, against them. I don't disagree. Yeah. And so that's that's kind of where the, my article wins, I will mention, as I know you touched on in your report the other day, that Amanda Ungaro is, seems to be preparing for something. She's definitely tweeted and referenced having a book coming out.

There was also a tweet I saw her share the other day. and I don't know if it was because there wasn't really much context. I don't know if this was like a real cover. It was what a time, what looked like a graphic of a Time magazine cover with her on it and it said something like

ready to share her story. I went and searched because I was like, oh my God, did she just interview with time? Like this could bounce a break, you know, even bigger. I didn't see anything about that. I didn't see anything about any upcoming interviews. It could have happened. It could have just been some graphics she made in the hopes of like, hey, I'm getting ready to go to the media or something.

but I would not be surprised that this story is not going away. And if she does end up testifying in some way in front of Congress, it's definitely not going to go away. It's definitely not going to die down. So we'll see because, as I said, there's Anthony Andrews, for whatever it's worth, he seems to be another reporter really following this case over on Twitter. I think it's just at Anthony Andrews. And he responded to me yesterday saying that she was going to be speaking to a committee soon.

I'll try to get more info on that. But either way, I'll be following the developments on this story as it happens because, again, I think that it's not just some gossip and, you know, back and forth, he said, she said, but from some rich people from New York City and elsewhere, yes, it's that. And the implications of it being true are that the United States White House is being occupied by two people who've been blackmailed and most likely by Israeli intelligence, if not other intelligence networks. Because that's the thing is, like you said, Ryan, it could, it's not that it's just Israel or just the Zionist per se. If any other country had this information, they would love to use it against Trump's. They would love to black rail people on this. So it could even be the case that the Israelis shared it with other people.

And so the Trumps know, like, hey, so and so other countries have this. And so we have to sort of stay within certain parameters or wherever, right? We don't really know. I'm just speculating there. But the point is if there is truth to it, if there is truth to it, they're absolutely going to go to some lengths to cover this up, which is also why many people are concerned with Amanda Ungaro's safety. She's speaking out saying what she can. Maybe she's saving it for the book.

Of course, that brings up accusations from some people like, oh, this person's just grifting. They're just trying to make money. They don't really know anything. We don't know. We'll see. But I'm going to follow the case either way. So, you know, thanks for everybody who read the story and who's sharing it because I do think these things are important for us. These threads are important for us to pool upon.

Even if, like I said, at the beginning, this isn't necessarily going to affect the food on your table at the moment. It is important to know who's actually running things and how things work behind the scenes. Absolutely. Yeah. I did a great job in the article. I really, I think it, you know, kind of does a good job of fleshing out the bigger picture, not just the, you know, focal points. It's well done.

Well, I was going to point out the, excuse me, the John McBrenel point, just in a broad sense. Like, the interesting point I was going to make on that. And this is even a good place to end with is that, you know, you know this. Anybody was watching this, like, hopefully people that actually went, were watching this story as it was being denied, you know, the idea of any of these characters, even Epstein, you know, the idea or Weinstein or any of them where it's like, no, you're a lot. It's a conspiracy theory. It's not true. It's like, and as you point out in the article,

and 60 minutes comes out with a massive story. And the only time that actually ever comes to fruition where somebody, Luke Brunel, actually gets arrested is after Epstein's arrested, you know. And so there's an element there where it's obvious to the point to where even the corporate media for whatever reason can put something out that's going, yeah, there's some, there's some sexual manipulation happening here. And so think about that today, you know, in any of these conversations, whether it's

Israel, whether it's Trump, whether it's Biden, you know, that there's a, there's a damn that seems to break. And it's never really about whether we want that. It's about, I think, using that momentum to gain something else. You know what I mean? Like so, okay, that story's out of the bag. We know they see it no matter what we do. They're not buying our narratives. So we give them that. But we use that to change into something out. You know, we use momentum to get them into something new or some manipulation. Just be on guard for the way that works. You know, the release valve, the controlled demolition of things where they know we see. It's the same thing I see with Trump's administration in every sense. You know, well, you don't, you don't want the

Fed, we'll give you a CBDC and pretend we're taking it down. You know, that's everything, you know. And so what's, last point on it that I just wanted your thoughts on what I was thinking as I read this is okay, you know, so he allegedly hangs himself. And I'm thinking to myself, man, you know, remind me of the story because it was, is it up in the air with him in regard to people questioning whether he actually killed himself? Because I'm like, people off living on an island somewhere, you know, like all these different people connect.

Yeah, no. It's a similar situation. I definitely think that there are, you know, Jean-Lec Berenel Truthers in France. And I've searched for French media because, obviously, this is mainly being reported on the French. And I'm sure there are definitely people like us in France who are asking these questions. But there's definitely questions swirling his death. And obviously, like, it just seems so convenient. I mean, if you were writing a movie about this, you wouldn't do another hanging.

You would think that's too obvious. Like we already said, we already claimed Jeffrey Epstein hung himself in prison. And they barely bought that. You think they're going to buy it if we tell them the other guy and the French part has killed himself too. But that's what they went with. And I'm highly, highly suspect. And I remember when it happened because I've been reporting and talking about Jean-Loup-Brenel myself since my documentary in 2018 and was very aware of like, oh, my God. So this guy is the French connection and putting the puzzle piece together.

And when Epstein was arrested and then two years later, Jean-New Brunel arrested, it was like, oh, my God, this is actually, you know, I don't know what's going to happen. But I can't believe this is even happening in the first place. And then the report's out of like, okay, yeah, he's hung himself in prison. He's dead. It's just very hard to believe. But yeah, as you mentioned, I did link to in the article for anybody who wants to watch the 60 Minutes report. I have a copy.

It goes to my website, The Conscious Resistance, and it's out there on the internet. You can find it's called American Girls in Paris. Thankfully, it still survived, and we were able to watch it. But what's sad about it is that this is from 1988, almost, you know, what, 40 years ago? and it's and the accusations are the same. That's John, that's a still of Jean McBronel right there. And in there, you know, it's about Jean-Lich-Bronel and others. And there, I can't remember the woman's name right now,

but the head of the Ford Modeling Agency at the time is interviewed at the time. And she kind of just dismisses, you know, what was going on. And obviously, those accusations continue from 1988, which means he'd been doing it for some time in the 80s. That continued. And even before he was arrested, you can find articles of sort of just like with Epstein of like, yeah, rumors swirl about this guy being up to this thing and that thing, but up to this point, no charges have been brought forward, nothing has happened to him, and then eventually, you know,

they actually did it. If these really were, as some suspect, kind of rescue operations, you could say, from their point of view, and they just came to arrest and then kill Epstein and Johnny Brunel, they have been successful, unfortunately. But, you know, one can only hope that they actually are not living anymore. I'll say it the kind way because these guys were obviously up to some shady stuff. And it wouldn't be surprised. Let's just say that as well. It wouldn't be surprising if someone like Jean-Lucanel actually did kill himself with everything that he was facing because of his role in his stuff. Hopefully that maybe that is just the truth is this guy was just, you know, his life was a horrible life of abusing other people. And whenever it was time for him to face

judgment, he couldn't handle it. So he decided to kill himself. That is one potential, of course, but it does add up and a bunch of other evidence that make many of us suspect about the whole thing. Yeah, and definitely one of the obvious possibilities, right? You know, with like the, just as a hypothetical question

as we should always question everything, is it's seen, you know, if it is what we worry it is, you know, like, which I think the evidence clearly shows that it is a multinational, global kind of a network of sexual black male influence

and plenty of other things, that that would mean that these, you know, which we're demonstrated, we can see in the way it's affecting the world right now. So the leading actors on the stage are the ones that are compromised. So that would mean there's infinite influence,

money, resources. And so it wouldn't be difficult to have a location that would be, you know, I'm not even saying I necessarily think that. But I'm just saying it's certainly possible that these people could just be put somewhere where nobody would ever see, you know, and it's, and it's worth thinking about that and anything else we're talking about, you know, that there might be, you know, efforts that go well beyond what we think they're capable of or think they would do in order to keep us where they need us to be. And whether it's in foreign policy or anything else. The whole thing seems to be making sure that we are passive and allowing them to control our lives. And that seems to be something people are no longer okay with in the moment, you know. And so all of

this continues to kind of spin out. And the point with Jean-Luc Brunnell, which you made it clear, because I didn't say it when I was saying that he was guilty, right? This guy's a monster and he was defended and he was lied about. And it's just important to see how that, how often that is the case. And here we are now, you know, whether it's Trump or Biden or anything else. And so I think this will continue to be important. And I don't know about you, man, but I think people are, attuned to it. Left and right, aware of the lie. I'm happy to see that. I definitely think people are waking up, man. And, you know, I'm optimistic. I'm hoping we don't lose them all whenever election times swirls around and they start falling for the whole two-party thing again. But right

now, people are definitely questioning things. And this one doesn't seem like it's going back in, you know, back in the genie bottom. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Well, you know, stay tuned to Derek's work, TLAV, conscious resistance and the IMA collective work that's going to be coming out because remember that's why that was started about that exact kind of a thing and we were right about the direction like a lot of us a lot of people out there were so as the new midterm element or the next administration left and right and it continues forward stay focused on what we're talking about because our consistency will still be there you know it'll still be the same criticisms of bids or trump or whatever comes next because we you know it's not about partisanship or teams it's about the

truth you know absolutely and uh if i could just mention real quick brother before we sign off just a reminder to anybody who hasn't seen me talk about it on social media if you're not following my list I'm about to go on a U.S. tour just about 20 cities we just had the first one this past week in Prescott, Arizona with Larkin Rose and Amanda Rose. And I'm going to be starting things off December 13th in Denver. So I'll be doing a kind of southwest, west coast up to Portland tour the first leg in May and then back to Salt Lake City. And then I'll pick things back up in July in Texas and then we'll head up to the Midwest. We're going to go over to the East Coast as far as New York, maybe potentially elsewhere up north, and then back down to Florida

and then back down to Texas. And obviously, I'm coming to the Nashville area and we've got some people out there helping and hope to get yourself and others involved in different events. But if people are curious, you can go to activationtour.org. You'll see the schedule page right there and all the dates as we get the details with venues and all that sort of stuff they're getting linked to registration pages so people want to come hang out and you'll see on some of the cities we're doing volunteering where we're going to you know we did this in 2021 of course during COVID times we came out and did some action with you Ryan and the community out there and it was really great what's been five years since then and you know we've kind of hinted at Iran war

and stuff today the agendas are going forward everything we're talking about in 2021 is still happening even if some plan-demic scam-demic's not happening but it seems like lots of people have kind of relaxed or thought life has gone back to normal and this tour is sort of my way to come out and just try to ignite a little bit in people again inspire activate put a little fire under you again to say like look the digital IDs are willing for the facial recognition the technocracy has not gone away even if it's not in the in the version of a of a scamdemic or it could be a war it could be any of these other narratives they're playing alien stuff going on, whatever it is. The point is we should still, I believe, be focusing on what we can do in our own communities,

how we can take care of ourselves and not waiting for the politicians to save us. So again, we'll be doing that May, and then again in July, you want to come out. The events pretty much are all free. I think a couple of them we're charging five bucks to help cover some cost, but for the most part they're free. You can check out the details, come volunteer if you want, do some community garden work or farming or whatever sort of things we got set up in each city. the evening we have presentations there'll be networking there'll be a chance for you to connect

with other like-minded people if you're ready to get involved and learn more about exit and build strategy so i'm super stoked about it and uh yeah i look forward to seeing you on the road right outstanding yeah well let's touch base when we get to get another you know you know kind of a protest type you know like we did during the covid time you know when you're here let's turn let's see we important something to yeah let's do it beats again you know all right well thanks for thanks for doing again brother and you know look out more work coming from derrick on the Last American Bagabon as well as the Conscious Resistance. Make sure you check out this event.

Just an important time to lean into genuine independent media, guys. So thank you. And as always, question everything. Come to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant.