The Last American Vagabond - Destiny Rezendes Interview - The MAHA Manipulation, Epstein Narrative Collapse & DARPA's xAI

Starting point is 00:00:01 Welcome to The Last American Vagabond. I'm excited to have back on Destiny Resendez investigative journalist reporter to talk about a lot of stuff that's going on in the world today. We recently had, well, sort of recently in the context of how crazy the world is, maybe light years ago. But this was a conversation around the COVID discussion and the military overlap. The interview with Destiny entitled The Military Intelligence Hidden Hand Driving the COVID-19 Injections. She's been doing really great work on just investigatory avenues about a lot of really important things that people are missing. And we talked about this point around the COVID-19 manipulation. We've talked a bunch of, you know, but a lot of different things that relate to transhumanism

Starting point is 00:00:59 about the way the direction of the government is going. Today we're going to get into, you know, what she's investigating now and a lot of other things going on in the world that we both find very interesting. So Destiny, it's a pleasure to have you back on the show. How are you? Great to be back. How are you? I'm good.

Starting point is 00:01:13 I'm good. I'm excited to talk with you today because I always enjoy your insight and your investigations on these things because when we talked about the military overlap to that and, you know, the different parts of it that either day I hadn't seen until I talked with you. You know, it's really, you know, it's interesting to see the different parts that we can pick up. And this is a good, a starting point is a good point to make about why it's important that independent media, you know, work together, collaborate and share ideas because it's like we get so siloed in these different directions. So it's great to have you back on today.

Starting point is 00:01:40 It is great to touch base because, you know, we always have overlapping, you know, investigations into things. And it's nice to check in and see who's got what angle and dig a little deeper. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, so let's start something I've been asking, you know, people I have on free reviews lately because I always have things that are my mind. And I can tend to kind of just, you know, I want to get into how I think, you know, what you see on the things that I'm seeing. But right now, what's what's the forefront of your mind? You know, what are you investigating?

Starting point is 00:02:05 What's something that jumps to your mind that is not, you know, whatever, the most important in your mind right now with what you're looking at. Well, most important right now is that, you know, I'm now and I've always been convinced, but now I'm thoroughly convinced that Modernus Shell Company is a CIA. company a and b the technology that they utilize that they owned comes from a long line of biological weapons manufacturing for the united states government and it's specifically from the baxter lab incident in 2009 the big h5 n1 live influenza uh went to 16 laboratories in europe from baxter international that technology was purchased by nanotherapeutics which became resilient. And so their new platform for this new vaccine for COVID and flu is based on that faulty technology that could have caused one of the worst pandemics in history.

Starting point is 00:03:00 We talked about this in that last interview, correct? With resilient? Yes. The Baxter thing is new. The Baxter thing was unforeseen. I had no clue that resilience came from, well, I knew it came from nanotherapeutics. I did not know nanotherapeutics. didn't have really their own technology. They had to purchase it. And they did it four years after that lab incident that they never were held accountable for. And it was a big incident.

Starting point is 00:03:25 And they kind of just brushed it on the rugs, sold it off for parts and nanotherapeutics reached the benefit today. Well, so since we go where you're talking about this, and I pointed the interview, and I know it's a big topic, but we give us just, you know, the couple minute encapsulation of the resilience aspect and then, and then, you know, flesh out what you're talking about. I'm interested. So the modern apart, because, I mean, we just saw the, interesting, Moderna, more than one, by the way, but the recent one for children approved by

Starting point is 00:03:49 the government, and we can get into the new story about how it was done on H.K.'s vacation and how it actually happened, which doesn't seem to change the reality of all the other MRI shot they support. But, you know, give us your thought, or break that down for us on the Moderna part. So, Moderna, I know this like the back of my hand. So of course, Moderna is a 2010 company started out of flagship pioneering by a whole bunch of essentially Harvard graduate. And a lot of them are still on the board. The Harvard people on the board of Moderna, they're also on the board of flagship pioneering. People like Stephen Hahn, former active commissioners on the board of that. So there's a lot of sticky people connected to it. And, you know, Moderna never had a viable product

Starting point is 00:04:24 that was FDA approved until after the pandemic. And so they had one, I think, right before December or something, but it wasn't for, I don't think it was a coronavirus, of course. I think it was for Zika that we're working on. And it was still hadn't been proved just yet before the pandemic. And so it just bothers me that the government invested literally 45% worth of the vaccines and this distributed in the country were given to this 10 year old company that had zero

Starting point is 00:04:49 products before but not only did that company get that incredible contract for a miracle contract in the largest pharmaceutical IPO in history but the fact of the matter is that they hired a company to do the job for them because they were unequipped to do it

Starting point is 00:05:05 and that company resilient underwent four or five different name changes over the years, but it started off essentially as a company called nanotherapeutics, which almost exclusively made biological weapon medical countermeasures for the United States government, like botulinum toxin and the plague. And it got bought up and changed the name a couple of times, like 2017, is a big one. And then in 2020 was the big rebranding where they removed most of the scientists

Starting point is 00:05:31 and replaced them with people that are connected to the intelligence community, like the vice president, Chris Darby had to have been QTEL until this last year. 20 years ahead of Incutel. Also on the CIA Memorial Fund, you've got Joe Lonsdale, which is, of course, the co-founder of Palantir sits on the board, and Robert Nelson, who's Council for in Relations.

Starting point is 00:05:52 And there's a whole bunch of just people that don't belong on this fake pharmaceutical company that they pretended was new. Just in reality, they wanted you to think it was new because if nobody would pay for a biological weapon manufacturer to be making your vaccine. Well, this is an interesting overlap to, you know, the Palantir, you know, obvious point of it, a Palantir overlap with the current direction. But as you mentioned, all the different other moving parts in this, that, you know, the thought should at least be considered that this was a moving part that led to this larger

Starting point is 00:06:22 agenda today, right? So this was all, you know, because there's a lot of the technocratic parts that were sort of initiated, rolled out, justified by what happened during that time frame. That's interesting. There's a lot. It's a lot of moving parts and it's still moving now. It's very sticky because we never really had to look at this medical world as the military intelligence apparatus like we have now. The reality is that's, you know, in QTEL is heavily involved in our medicine now, which is alarming. They have brought two new laboratories into existence that are working on, well, whatever they're working on. It's not really something we get privy to. It's hard. I mean, that's the scary part, too, is that what they do work on, I mean, it's clear that they don't really consider the consequences of what these things can do to the human species to, you know, any number of things. We've seen that throughout history. But let's start. Go good. You have a comment on that? Oh, I said, oh, yeah, like the, there's a crazy phenomenon that Ray Kurzweil, who I'm pretty sure everyone can consider the modern father of transhumanism. And these agendas that we don't want to go towards, you know, in his book, the singularity is near, which is Yuval Harare's by.

Starting point is 00:07:28 It's in chapter, I think it's in chapter five of that book, that, or 25, sorry, that he lists one pharmaceutical company that he said would bridge the gap between humans and technology and that company was nanotherapeutics. And so like the agenda is underlying for a long time and of all the companies in the world. It's just like it, you know, we really have to take a different perspective of what we mean when we say medicine today. Yeah, absolutely. And let's not forget, moderna and the early phase of this was the one that lot was called out as the like the one that would be the one because fouchy and his people around him were invested in that one you know so there's or or even pointing out even further that which you're familiar with that bob langer connected to

Starting point is 00:08:07 charles leber was the uh the scientific co-founder of maderna you know all these parts and that you're pointing out that nanotherapeutics as you know one of the elements that was the real backing or however you would frame that as the creation of this was the tie back to the trans technocratic kind of palatier universe you feel is really you know, like people don't understand this Palantir grip is so deep in HHS. I think it's in 27 different sub agencies in HHS with their

Starting point is 00:08:32 foundry and a million other, you know, Gotham, all these other programs that have different names, just like Tiberius. The same program is just like different names. And that's embedded and then you've got like Joe Lonsdale and Resilience. And Peter Thiel has been up to no good. I did a

Starting point is 00:08:48 big, big report on his funding of human experimentation in 2017. I was just looking at with that. That is a lot. To me, that's one of the most wild stories. Yeah. I can't leave it. Well, I mean, I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, we see the fat with the Fauci examples of the dogs. And I think they're all invested in these horrid, like things that they would do in places where they don't think people can see. That's changing today, unfortunately, I would argue, not that we see that, but that everything ever in the world is being seen that ultimately that they're not, you know, can't hide as much anymore. But I think they're doing that kind of experimentation all over the world. I think it's, you know, normal for these kind of sociopathic endeavors.

Starting point is 00:09:23 But, you know, the Maha overlap to all this. And then we can come back actually to the, you know, you mentioned, you know, kind of the overlap to this. And we know, as you mentioned, the Palantir was pre before that was the total information awareness. They had the NQ-Tel overlap to that, the only funder for a very long time. And you point out the into in Q-Tel connection to all the what we just discussed. So we can talk about the interesting overlap of the kind of DARPA background overlap

Starting point is 00:09:47 with XAI, right? But let's start with the Maha point because I think this is really important that I think Americans, in a broader point, both MAGA and Americans, or just anybody in general in this country, I think it's been shown that most Americans very clearly want good things for this country, one, liberty and freedom and democracy. And that's why they pretend, you know, whether you think that's good or not, the point is, they ultimately want good for this country and that they pretend that's what they are and what they're doing. And Maha was an example of that as they used what people wanted, sort of like Trump in his first term and his second, to get them to believe this was

Starting point is 00:10:19 going to be different, right? And so before I even bring them up, some examples. You know, what's your general sentiment of Maha and the validity behind RFK Jr. and, you know, what they're trying to accomplish? Yeah, I went and rallied up in D.C. for, for Kennedy. I went in, I went and I went and campaign for him when Maha joined forces of Manga. It was called the Resby Republic rally. I know Derek Rose is up there for a fence up there. And, um, I know I was, I went hard. I was so excited. I'm very disappointed. I think I share sentiment with a lot of the Maha people they were very, very disple. We feel very swindled. I think a lot of the maximum supporters feel the same way.

Starting point is 00:10:57 Yeah. I mean, I don't think I would say swindled because I was very skeptical and doubtful of it, but I definitely was let down. I mean, I always have hope that these people will be what people want them to be. I have hoped that Trump will still turn out to be that despite all the evidence. You know, so, but I very much still think that RFK Jr. has a background of work that is still worthy of phrase. And I think it still has positive effects. I still, every time it comes up, I still don't get it. I don't understand. when you come to that moment where you're like we don't understand why this choice are made don't let that stop you from seeing the obvious reality of the dishonest choices but you know it could be blackmail it could be he's always lying to us i don't really know but i was let down too because

Starting point is 00:11:33 i really wanted this to go in a positive direction even if everything else went bad that was kind of the logic of the voting process for a lot of people well at least we'll get this and sadly that doesn't seem to be happening and so i agree with you it was a big letdown but here let's start with this one this is the newest one we were just talking about briefly before we started again Again, to be clear, this is Trump and his administration, but the point is that people had hoped that RFK being present would sort of guide the health direction for all of this. But Donald Trump has recently just made it, or allowed $50 billion of investment from Astrozenica into the U.S. government or into the infrastructure, you know, whatever it will amount to be. And I'll play the clip first. Then we can talk about it.

Starting point is 00:12:09 A big announcement, AstraZeneca, the big drug company, is going to spend $50 billion, just announced $50 billion in the United States. in order to build various places all over the country, big manufacturing plants, pharmaceutical plants all over the country, so that's an honor. And he said they did that because of the election and because of the fact that the tariffs are placed. So they're building their facilities in New York. 50 billion. That's a big investment. And it's going to be a very good investment. I have no doubt about it. So thank you to AstraZeneca. interesting so what are your thoughts it just hurts to hear him say thank you to these companies right it's just it's because and you hear that money you hear 50 billion dollars and that's all good

Starting point is 00:13:00 and well for these companies i'm sure financially for the country it'll do well but i you know i advocate for the vaccine injured every single day and a lot of them you know this financial is a struggle because they can't sue they can't pay the bills and so i hear money like that being tossed around with these companies that are responsible. I'm just, I'm upset. I understand it from a, you know, manufacturing perspective that we need to make sure that we have medication stateside. I know that's a massive issue. It's also an issue they should have taken care of a long time ago and not let it get as out of hand as it is in the first place. But regardless, the reality, like you said, we have to look at how things are necessarily and how things are. We do

Starting point is 00:13:40 need manufacturing in the United States. I'm not necessarily happy about it because I hear that money and I know that um you know just you know astrozenica too i just have a lot of issues with asresdenica their early work on coronavirus work they worked with a lot of people from moderna in the early days kenneth chan worked at astrozenica for of all things he wanted to make like a vaccine for myocarditis before joining the board of moderna so and he worked astrozenicca for many many years and so it's concerning but yeah and it's disappointing you know i mean to your point of manufacturing like I mean I in a fundamental sense yeah but I would agree but you don't need asterzeneca to do that you know so it's like you could argue that the money is you know but to me that then the argument

Starting point is 00:14:24 that would then be that would be willing to sell out to have the money for that and I would argue most people in the even just the conservative side of this would disagree with that as I think we both do you know it's not the right choice but you wonder whether that's Donald Trump just being a businessman and saying this matters and not maybe not hearing which I find it almost impossible what is base thinks about that or this is where I come back to it, like the Stargate platform to start. Like how, you know, there's an obvious disconnect between what people want, what he told them what happened and what's now happening, you know, and that's just very hard

Starting point is 00:14:55 people. I just think people need to start recognizing that either it's, he's just, same as all the rest of the politicians. He promises you what you want and then does what the government wants anywhere, what they want to do anyway, or something else is driving these choices. But it's just not what people were promised. And I think we need to start being real about that, you know, because that's, we all, I think, want the real positive outcome.

Starting point is 00:15:14 You know, we want the better health, We want the right things for this country. And it's just if we believe in the ideologues, I don't think that's ever going to happen personally. But there's one. I think part of the reason why there's a massive disconnect between what Trump promised in terms of the Maha perspective and what we're seeing. I think a lot of that problem is I think too many people in Trump's inner circle

Starting point is 00:15:37 are either intimidated or being overly polite. And they're not certain conversations about this. I think that, you know, Susie Wiles, of course, keeps anybody away from Trump that she thinks would hurt the image. And I know something that probably would hurt the image of Trump is him admitting he was wrong with Operation War of Speed and rescinding a few things that he has done. Because he's not the kind of man. Do that in general. And it's part of his image and brand to be a certain absolute kind of man, very populist, you know, strategy to do. You're very on your own and independent.

Starting point is 00:16:11 It's well respected. that doesn't include a lot of apologies and withdrawals from things. So from a PR perspective, I can understand the hesitation, but from us as the voters who really put our money where our mouth is in terms of supporting Trump, this is something that is a big problem. Well, as always, and again, this is just politicians. It's not unique to Trump, but this is putting PR before the real outcome. PR before what Americans want.

Starting point is 00:16:43 And even if it's secondary, like just barely behind that, maybe even of the logic that the PR will lead to that positive choice, is still putting PR before the actual choice. And I think this is what we always see in politics, you know, and it's just sad. And, you know, even people that want to go into politics who somehow believe they can work and maneuver through it, I think throughout history, shown ourselves, that's just not the case. And plenty more examples. I'll just kind of rattle a few more off that, for example, this is Jason Bassler points

Starting point is 00:17:07 this out. I just saw this one today. Section 453 was approved yesterday. It provides pesticide companies, including Monsanto Bayer and others, Syngenta, near total protection from lawsuits. And this is coming out through the current administration and the EPA. You know, I'm hoping this won't pass. This is the free thought project talking about this.

Starting point is 00:17:27 But it doesn't seem like it's official just yet, but these are the directions that are happening. And I'm worried about these. You probably saw this one about the Moderna shot. But RFK's claiming that he was on vacation and they fired them. you know, it does seem to be what happened, but it doesn't change the Stargate platform, the self-amplifying MRI

Starting point is 00:17:44 M or N-A shot. This was the EPA release about fighting or in regard to a guide on geoengineering where Trump 2.0 is basically, he says a, it says right here, federal government is not aware that there's ever been a contrail intentionally formed over the United States, basically denying geoengineering,

Starting point is 00:18:00 but that we already know is real. Don't we have legislation in Tennessee that banned it? So, you know, they banned nothing. It's like the end of the end of the list. It just doesn't exist. Exactly. The point is it's obvious that everyone knows that there's,

Starting point is 00:18:12 I mean, they Harvard has a program for stratospheric aerosol injection. Like, it's obvious, right? Yeah. But they're just trying to distance it by using definitions and names.

Starting point is 00:18:19 The point in Tennessee, by the way, is they did do a positive step, but it's only a certain area of, of, uh, elevation, yeah. Elevation, thank you.

Starting point is 00:18:28 And if they simply go above it, then it's not classified as that and so that's how they're still doing it. This was the, the language is going to kill us. I swear. That's the, that's what's going to hang us up

Starting point is 00:18:36 to dry as the wording. of say that people all the time. If we are not careful the way they use this news speak, it's just, it's going to be our, it's going to be our end, I swear. I agree. And it's utilized by left and right,

Starting point is 00:18:48 just your government constantly, right? They play these word games and they abuse things. So we get kind of lost in the minutia of it all. This one is about the fluoride aspect, which is a huge stance for RFK. And now they're appealing the ruling about removing it from your water. I don't know if you saw that. That's frustrating.

Starting point is 00:19:02 I did not. Yeah. The Trump administration is now appealing it. But Michael Connett, who was the lead behind this as the lawyer, He's from the Florida Action Network. That's what he just discussed this on the 11th. And that's what we expected.

Starting point is 00:19:13 Derek wrote the article about this. Are they going to appeal it? And we both argued most likely, even though they said they would lean into getting it out of our water. And now they're fighting to keep it in our water. Like now can't people see that like the studies have been released and acknowledged by the United States government. Right. Right.

Starting point is 00:19:28 And water lowers your child's IQ. That is that has been submitted and approved by the government now. And now they want to now. So now I see this as an attack. If you know now, and I know you know, now if you're trying to force it on me, now you're hurting me intentionally. That's people need to see it that way because that's what it is. I wholeheartedly agree. And the shot's the same thing, right?

Starting point is 00:19:49 I mean, we know that. And interestingly enough, you have children's health defense now actually suing Senator Kennedy or Secretary Kennedy. Now, excuse me. No, I did not hear this either. Yeah, I was surprised myself. This is from yesterday. And because, you know, they've been, they've been criticizing some things he's done, but they pretty much kind of stayed that we still support him. And maybe they still do in a general sense, but they're saying, yes,

Starting point is 00:20:07 CHD is now funding a lawsuit against him because their first priority will always be children's health. I just think that's an important stance to take. Good for them. Yeah. Now, one positive note is that we have seen the U.S., at least they're stating this now, pulling out of the Gabby. You know, you've covered this a lot. What I stand for again, the global and immunization right there. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:30 Thank you. And so that's a good thing, but I wanted to end with this on this point of the segment, the conversation. That is a good thing, period. right? I'm glad to see that. But the question is, you know, what do you think about that? With everything else we're seeing, do you think that that is, you know, maybe we're beyond the COVID-19 el-19. Like, we're, you know, they got what they wanted from that. We're moving on to technocracy. And so it's not important anymore. Do you think that it is, the money will just find a way around it some other way like it did in the past. You know, what are your thoughts on that and in the general directions and, you know, with what we just looked at. I think that Davy is, it was never really the United States concern in terms of what it was doing. It's a more international. thing. It's affected more like African countries, Southeast Asian countries and South American countries. And it

Starting point is 00:21:12 you know, and also with the amount of funding I'm imagining they're losing from the cutting of USAID that they're going to have to resort to less programs, less places and pick and choose. And since Gabi seems to exceed internationally, I would imagine that they're going to just stick with that and they'll withdraw from the U.S. anyways.

Starting point is 00:21:29 I think SEPI is more the concern I have in terms of their direction and their effect on COVID. The whole you know, make a vaccine in a hundred days idea of what that came from SEPI. That came from the AI direction, right? And they're going AI direction. They're going MRI direction. So Gavi is more of those, you know, tropical diseases that they want malaria, polio vaccine.

Starting point is 00:21:51 You know, and same with JEPI. Those are very, to me, very similar in the fact that they're not necessarily as impactful in the United States. Of course, for other countries, I'm concerned for them. I'm glad we're pulled out, but I'd rather see us pull out a stepi a lot faster than I would, you know, because they just don't affect this as much, I think, stuff you done. Yeah, yeah. And that's kind of my mindset on is that it doesn't seem like that as much as that's a, I just in a general sense, I think that's the direction people want to see from them. But what's the real material benefit? You know, like did we, well, you know, and there's some in the larger sense, but what you're saying is there's much more,

Starting point is 00:22:22 it doesn't really change what's actually happening in a larger sense. And I think that's important to think about. And maybe that was sort of a head fake, you know, like just here's a bone, positive step, but it doesn't really, but we're still rolling out MRI shots. We're still doing, you know, that's, that's my concern is that, you know, might not. the whole administration right now. That's, that's what this whole administration so far as felt like is like, yes, that's nice,

Starting point is 00:22:42 but that's not what we wanted. It always feels like this kind of compromise with absolutely everything that has been presented to us. Like, okay, it's not an outright war with Iran. You're just going to drop some bombs on their nuclear facility. Okay, all right,

Starting point is 00:22:53 it's not, you know, closing the borders down completely. You're finding all the children. It's slowing it down and we'll work on getting people out of here. It's, you know, getting some,

Starting point is 00:23:02 it's just it's not a satisfying meal. Yeah, yeah. And then, And then within all of those partial efforts, there's all sorts of technocratic rationale and, like, things that are rolling out to make that, you know, partially happen, you know, biometrics and scans and Palantiers, you know, and so it's clear that that's, you know, like seems like the primary agenda, if you want my opinion, I think that's obvious. But let's talk about that overlapping point. So this is what we brought up a moment ago. And this is actually really, I can't believe this doesn't get more attention. You know, it is a really crazy reality.

Starting point is 00:23:31 I was actually surprised, like for the post. I mean, I, you know, Whenever I just find something randomly like super interesting, I'm like, hmm, and I didn't even look for it. I was looking at Peter Heinem from DARPA, and that's from his testimony, that first image there. And I was reading it because that's from 2019. And I was looking at, like I always do all the things in 2019 that indicated COVID was coming, which is, it's enormous the amount of indications that are, you know, findable. And Peter Heim is one of the contributors to that evidence. And that was from, I think, November 2019. he had a testimony before Congress

Starting point is 00:24:06 for the emerging threats with the Armed Senate Committee. So I were just reading his little thing and his testimony and there was XAI and I was like, what? Like Elon's XAI? And they're like, no, they're different, but they are essentially the exact same.

Starting point is 00:24:27 Right. Well, my audience is familiar with this. We did that report on December 2024. I watched it. I watched when you sent it to me. Yeah, I just called it the quiet transition from DARPA's XAI to Elon's XAI. And just the quick breakdown is, you know, so we have the applied AI letters post on online library.wiley.com and it says DARPA's explainable AI, XAI program. And so the quick breakdown is that this ended right before months, a matter of months before

Starting point is 00:24:53 Elon took over. So they say that this is done. And the whole thing was about them finding, you know, basically having an AI system that could explain its actions. It would ask is kind of the general idea. There's more to it. And so then they ended. it. Elon takes over Twitter and then right away starts XAI and that's supposed to be a whole new

Starting point is 00:25:09 thing. But if you even look on anything Twitter related, you'll note that they have these things up here where, or where was it somewhere where you can hit a thing that says explain this. And it's like that's the whole point. And so either way, if you hit the grok button, that's what it does. Is that what it was? Yeah. Yeah. Either way, the point is that it's the same general concept. And so then you can go through even further and find that they're, you know, and also to your point about total information awareness that becomes Palantir. I mean, there's more examples. This is what they do, right?

Starting point is 00:25:38 But you can have then overlapping points about this. You have BlackRock investing in XAI. Then you have XAI merging with X, which was already the point. And then, of course, you have XAI merging or at least working alongside Palantir. You know, you can see these steps going forward. And then the bigger point around it was that Alon Musk working with during, this is Biden's administration, working to build the largest spy satellite network in the world around the whole world.

Starting point is 00:26:01 and that the NRO, the National Reconnaissance office, working with him and utilizing his AI to build it, literally says, after we do this, this quote was, now you can't hide because we have eyes, or now you're constantly being looked at, Elon helping that. We have space forces contracting with SpaceX for a new secretive Milnet Satcom network. This is a low Earth orbit network that they're building out. It's the same conversation. The difference Israel is involved in this one with SpaceX, using SpaceX to launch their own version of this same problem. So bringing it back to the larger point, we have this kind of all-encompassing technocratic AI satellite.

Starting point is 00:26:35 You know, that's what the XAI is. This is his AI, right? And so it's all intertwined in this. And now they're building out this basically all-encompassing Earth sort of spy network for everything. Starlink, all of it. Skynet, you know, like a new skynet. Exactly, exactly. The point of the DARPA origin point I think is so important because this is where it all stems from.

Starting point is 00:26:54 This is the mind behind all these things. So that's where I have seen. So go ahead. Give me your thoughts on where this goes. And, you know, I really find this to be an alarming kind of step in the direction of the technocratic kind of prognoptercon structure that's building out. Yeah, you know, I really started getting concerned right when the, about like November when the elections was going on because I was noticing some of the picks Trump had with his first nomination. And with Michael Cretzios. And that was the very first red flag I had that had this combination of heavy X influence and work.

Starting point is 00:27:26 And then also having this heavy DARPA-esque background. and not seeing them come together because Michael Kratzio's, for those who don't know, was the CTO or the chief technology officer under Trump's first term. And then he was considered the fourth most powerful person in the Pentagon, which, and he's quite young for, you know, for his position. And he was the chief of staff. I think it was it at Mithril or the teal. It's one of Peter Thiel's top companies.

Starting point is 00:27:52 He was his chief of staff for Peter Thiel for 10 years for a decade. And then he goes in this administration, he's back in. as the even bigger directorship with Office of Science Technology Policy. And he brought in, he's the one he brought in the mainframe for the 5G and the quantum computing initiative in the United States. He brought in all those major technology issues. And he also sits on the board for a company called Scale AI, who's ran by a whole bunch of people that sit on the board for XAI, same people,

Starting point is 00:28:20 a lot of them. And so, of course, they got brought in with Doge. And I was very concerned about this merger of Elon in DARPA. You know, that we're seeing with a few members of, you know, either somebody from scale AI that works with XAI or XAI or from Peter Thiel, but they're kind of overlapping and tossing these people between, but they all have the same goal. They're all government contractors.

Starting point is 00:28:44 They all want to essentially make the control grid and be, you know, get their piece of the pie on that because it is being created and everyone wants to get their paycheck. What do you think about the difference of the AI is? Like I wonder how much these things are separate. Like what you're kind of highlighting there is, Like open AI is what's tapped for Stargate, except at that same moment, Donald Trump's working directly with Elon Musk, and he's the one saying that Sam is going to, his AI is going to destroy the world.

Starting point is 00:29:10 And so it's like, what a weird choice. But my question, I guess, is do you think that these things are one ultimate program and these are different parts of it and they're more working together behind the scenes? Or how do you see the different buying elements of AI right now? Well, I think we have very few examples to go off of in terms of the scale. So it is really like new territory. The only thing close to it that we have essentially is like Interpol in terms of how widely connected it is with one unified system. I think Interpol, in my opinion, is probably the best kind of thing we have.

Starting point is 00:29:40 And I need to investigate how Interpol came around exactly to get like a good answer for that because I think that would be the, you know, the most likely answer is usually the correct one. So seeing how they've done it before, the government's not, we're not that smart, like, to be honest with all the resources and people they have, they tend to, you know, repeat themselves that even when it's to their detriment and our detriment, right? often. So I'm not sure how it's going to happen. I would imagine that at the rate of kind of this monopolization that has been the trend for the past 20, 30 years in the United States, even though we used to admonish that, the capture by just one singular entity seems to be the trend. And I think that they don't have a problem letting Palantir do the whole work on this. I think it might start with a few companies that maybe don't necessarily have to do with the certain software products that I think Palantra was

Starting point is 00:30:29 care of all in all. There'll be other I think, you know, pieces of this because it's going to be massive. I think the control grid, I fear it being the day that like Elon Musk owns all the satellites that are going to be communication. It's going to offer free universal Wi-Fi. Like this is my vision

Starting point is 00:30:46 of worst-case scenario. And everyone's going to get it. Everyone's going to use it. It's going to be wonderful. But then you know, market crash or whatever reason, stock, you know, stakeholders upset, whatever. They're be like okay look because we give it for free you know we got we have to kind of stop doing that we're going to let you still have it free but you'd have to get the nerling right and there's going to be

Starting point is 00:31:08 people in this world you know after 10 years being addicted to free wherever you want perfect internet there are going to be people and i think that'll be dumb enough in my personal opinion too like actually get that and so like my biggest fear is that it it results of course at the end of the day in my mind in the government's hands that's going to be the old unifying connector it we live in the the world of public-private partnerships. And it's just fascism. It's all it is. It's just that it's a pretty way to say fascism.

Starting point is 00:31:32 But that's where we're heading. Palantir, I think, will be a big proponent of that for the government. And smaller, also, you know, military and sexual complex companies. I don't see it any other way. Yeah, I agree with you. I think that's a very clear. I mean, a lot of facts backed that up. And then the Palantir element of it, you know, why that would be given so much influence.

Starting point is 00:31:51 It could just be. And you're right. I think this is not new. The government, I think, has been allowing that kind of that dynamic for a time. But Palantir, you could argue the logic is just that they think that the only way they could beat China in that race is by letting them just have every possible access to every data point we have. And, you know, that's what they did. They just pulled out all the stops and who cares about the constitution, who cares about your privacy, clearly, you know? So what do you think about the overlap

Starting point is 00:32:13 of Doge and like, you know, just your thoughts on Doge in general and how that just kind of disappeared and like the AI overlap to that, right? Like my worry was AI government and was that just what Doge was meant to do? And is that still happening? You know, where do you? you see all that i think you know i'm not the biggest fan a of elon musk in general so and and it's bizarre i know no one would ever believe me but you could find proof of this like on my bit shoot way back in 2021 or two i predicted doge trump and elon would be a thing i didn't know how but the signs were there and sure enough it happened and that was just mind-blown when it came together because i i literally had videos where i was like guys i don't know what's going on

Starting point is 00:32:52 but for some reason i just know those trump and elon are going to be a thing and i didn't even know was going to be an agency. I meant the coin at the time, but like, you know, it's so that kind of red flagged me because it's like, why would I even remember something like that and pick up on something like that. You know, it's usually a sign that's like, you know, I should have paid attention more. In my, I take that as a sign. I should have paid attention more because it probably wasn't a good thing. And a lot of people, myself included, were very happy about the USAID portion of D's where they went after them because everyone, I mean, I've known this, you've known this for decades. So, like, everyone knows the USAID is cut out for CIA.

Starting point is 00:33:29 They have been for a long time. So many other agencies are. But they didn't really cut USAID, really. That was the part that was, like, my first hang up with Doge was like, but they didn't really get rid. Everyone's like, they did. I was like, no, they had just reabsorbed it. They just took off the name from the agency door and said, hey, Rubio, this is your place now.

Starting point is 00:33:52 Like, that's it. And I don't trust Rubio either, which is, um, And it's for the most silly reason, but it's just, you know, certain things get under my skin that I just, my discernment says just don't look good away. And what really quickly is voting in was problem for me. One of the many reasons that I respect your work and respect you in general, right, is that you, you know, it's, it's such an interesting thing that so many people in this field are willing to, like we talked about to begin with, just to ignore that little detail because it doesn't look good for what they want to be the case or who they want to support, you know, is that you, you want

Starting point is 00:34:21 these, you know, we all want the good thing. We want this to change. We want spending to be cut. But then when it obviously is not what happens, you're willing to call it out. It's shocking how there that is in this field right now. I'm just wanted to point that out. Go ahead. Thank you. I find the same with you and same with Derek and Whitney. There's very few, like I said to you earlier, there's very few, and I don't mean it to

Starting point is 00:34:39 like sounds snobby. It's just like when you were our researcher and you're our reporter, you're working on your own stories a lot. It's very hard to take time to enjoy each other's work as good as we all find each other's work to be. And I do particularly, if I talk to anybody highly, it's because they're impartial. And I think that is the only way through this,

Starting point is 00:34:59 like the only way through this is to be impartial. And you have to be the person that says, that's not, you know, it might be, you know, a little inappropriate for the conversation. It might be uncomfortable, but somebody has to say it.

Starting point is 00:35:12 And I do, so I appreciate that comment. And I feel the same towards you as well. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, it's my thought on it to get one step further is, let's just say it came down to something that is the truth.

Starting point is 00:35:24 And it's, And it is, it's, you know, you can prove it. And yet that truth will be detrimental or just damaging, maybe just, you know, uncomfortable, inconvenient for the group that you support. And maybe even a group that genuinely wants to do the right thing. It is still the, you should still point it out. It's principles and integrity. In a moment we lose that, the moment we start making rationale about why you should do

Starting point is 00:35:44 the wrong thing for the right reason, we're lost. And that's politics for you, right? So I just think that's important to think about. Yeah. And I wish more people would adopt it. It's very difficult with the polarization that's gone on in politics lately. I understand. I also think we're just so desperate as a nation for any sort of normalcy or just to get a break.

Starting point is 00:36:04 I think we're so desperate for that. A lot of people have resorted to that ideologue that has this whole, you know, populism or whatever kind of cult mentality. Because it's comfortable. It feels good, you know, to have a group to belong with. But I strongly believe in the words of Mickey Mantle. where he's like gangs or where cowards go to hide. You replace gang with bipartisan party or whatever group you identify with. To me, it's, you know, it's one of those things.

Starting point is 00:36:33 You actually pointed out a quote by Theodore Roosevelt in that DARPA video you did. I very much, I have adopted it. I love it. And I do think if you can't criticize your own, you know, and criticize the government that your ability to claim Americanism is very difficult. Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree. And this is one of my favorites. Yeah,

Starting point is 00:36:53 it's to announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Very, you know, extreme and good, and rightly so,

Starting point is 00:37:06 right? It's like you, there is a line. Once you do that, you have lost the plot. And I'm, and as a Republican saying this, I think that's important,

Starting point is 00:37:12 you know? But yeah, I love that. And I was like, I'm glad I saw it because I did not know that quote. And it's very reminiscent, I think, and I would love to visit the lives.

Starting point is 00:37:21 like, ask him if, this weighed on his speech, but the April 27, 1961 speech by John F. Kennedy with the newspaper Publishers Association talking about how important it is for the transparency to the American people, because of course he's talking to journalists and publishers about that, that responsibility that they had. And that, you know, he said, I not only, you know, I don't dissuade any criticism. I welcome it, you know, because he said that Salon, the Greek philosopher, Salon had said that for those who don't criticize, essentially, don't have it.

Starting point is 00:37:52 any part of society. Like, what's your point? Because you're just here to be ruled essentially. If you're not going to, willing to criticize and make sure you stand up for yourself in terms of what you deserve to know. Yeah. Yeah, most definitely. You know, but I am always, you know, lately pointing out the positive spin on this.

Starting point is 00:38:09 And I very much think that people are starting to come around. I really do. And I think that, you know, as always, though, there's always another tripwire. There's always another minefield to pass, you know, the Q&N on and Rush your gate. There's always something that's grabbing people pulling them back into the partisanship. But I think moment by moment, I mean, even over the last couple of decades, like it's been a chipping away at this. And I think that's kind of what the end game is here, which I point out often, is that they need to get to a place where that just no longer matters, right? We're going full dictatorship, full authoritarianism.

Starting point is 00:38:35 We're going to get back to that position. But framing it as we have to get there to save democracy, you know, save the Constitution by destroying it on the way. That's what I think is happening. There's a political phenomenon. I've written threads on it because I think it's not only that wildly important to understand, but it's, it's very telling. There's a political phenomenon called democratic backsliding.

Starting point is 00:38:57 And it's a term utilized in politics and in civil discourse about what happens to a government does a democracy initially, any form of democracy. And the systematic detraction of its validity to the point that it turns into a totalitarian regime. And now it happens many countries,

Starting point is 00:39:17 happen like Venezuela, have been lots of countries, where they have a democracy of some form, And from within, there's, there's like four or five manifestations of it in phases that it goes through. We're currently in this. We have been for years now. The scary thing about this process is so far, they've never found a country recover from it.

Starting point is 00:39:37 So that's the scary thing. So they're not saying that we can't. There's just, well, we just haven't seen that yet. But we are indeed in this process. And what's even more alarming is the definition and manifestations on Wikipedia in 2019. changed. They were deleted two of those manifestations of criteria in 2020. And when you look at what those deletions were, one of them is the government creates a sense of emergency, a state of emergency, and acquires more power. And that's one of the ones they deleted. And the other one was, I think it was something along the lines of immigration, flooding immigration and like kind of babying the minority class over the majority class. And especially through the judicial. system so like making laws for the small groups like transgender or whatever you know right those things um that largely the entire population is against is a symptom of this and they deleted it so that we wouldn't

Starting point is 00:40:33 know how closely like how deep we were into it but that's what it's really a new um it feels new and different because it is new and different what's going yeah it's just you know i you know i think it feels like we're in the midst in the kind of process of like a dying empire not to say that america's going to go away, but like we are watching the structure breakdown. And that's a good thing if you understand that we are not represented, in my opinion, by this broken system. Like American people can change this and go back to whether you want it to be a democracy or hopefully in my mind, we get beyond the idea that we need a government, but I know we're not there yet. But I think we're in this process, you know, and I think it's positive. It's definitely progress. But like,

Starting point is 00:41:14 there's also this kind of pendulum effect. I'm sure you observe this. And just in politics and social society that we have this very sick pendulum of things where it goes left and right. It goes extreme to extreme. And so as much as there are people waking up and I do see that like every day. And it's phenomenal. It's really wonderful to see. And I watch it just like over time, friends of mine space hosts on X. And I watch the opinions go, you know, from pretty radical ideas to like softening up becoming more multi-perpective and being more impartial. And I'm very encouraged by that and I see myself becoming more encouraged as I continue to try to do so because I think it is something at some point you have to kind of take it consciously. It can't happen naturally,

Starting point is 00:41:59 subconsciously, but there comes a point where you kind of have to be conscious about it because there is so much opposition to that kind of thinking. You have to take it seriously, but there's also this group, the opposite of those who are kind of enlightening, as you will, that are doubling down, tripling down. They are, they're, you know, biting down on the hook of that is caught in their lip and they will not let go of it. They are, you know, if some of them, because like the extremes are getting more extreme, but a lot of people are also coming to more rational terms. So it's like, it's just a pendulum right now and it's really interesting to see because

Starting point is 00:42:32 by and large, I think more people are becoming more reasonable. Yeah. But the few who are holding out are becoming increasingly dramatically unreasonable, like the Mark Levin, like people who are not aligning with the people are really buckling down. And they stand out like crazy. I think that's important, right? You know, and it shows you, like, you just can't, well, you have to acknowledge, one, that they're not aligned with the group.

Starting point is 00:42:54 They keep pretending they're aligned with, which is just, you know, whatever, conservative, whatever it is. And I see the same things happening on the left in similar ways. But, you know, just this is breaking down. And I do think that's very positive to call out. Let's talk about the example of this that I think is clear. I mean, it's more than this. I think COVID-19 was an obvious example.

Starting point is 00:43:12 I think Israel's genocide is causing that in a large way as well. But the Epstein conversation, which is connected to Israel. in obvious ways as well, but just what this is doing to the partisan kind of, you know, let's just say the MAGA movement in general. And I don't mean the influences we're discussing right there. Like we said, that's team sport politics. They're going to do whatever Trump just said, that's the best thing ever. You know, that's what they're doing.

Starting point is 00:43:32 No matter what, it's just embarrassing. But there's a huge, the MAGA movement, which I argue most want good things for this country, who just been tricked or believe what they claim, what they were promised. I don't know. But this did have a very interesting kind of breakdown that there's no client list. There was no suicide, no blackmail. Now it's a complete hoax that Obama did himself. So just on that, you know, give me your thoughts on what, you know, what would your take on this?

Starting point is 00:43:56 Immediately, and again, I said it to you before we started, the language, the words are like the whole, there's no client list. That is clever. That is such good word manipulation or well himself seems to have written it. It's wonderful. Wonderful in a horrible way. I mean, of course. Yeah, right. But the client list thing was my first.

Starting point is 00:44:18 indication that like, okay, this, this reminds me of COVID with gain of function. We did know gain of function. There is no client list. Okay, but like describe what there is and let's see if that matches what I'm asking you about. Right. Right. That it always does.

Starting point is 00:44:34 Is there, is there names of people who hung out with Epstein that may or may not have been doing things with children on his island? Do we have, is there, is there a list of that? Yeah, there is. That's what I'm talking about when I say, I've seen list. And it's the same thing like gain a function. Like, okay, did they gain function? and the change of his experiment, did that happen?

Starting point is 00:44:51 Yeah, well, then that's a gain of function. You know, so this, we really have to get a hold of the language and shame on the, on the government for taking such cruel, but very simple to point out propaganda tactics is very, it's rudimentary, but it, because it works. And so, right, right. So, and you make an excellent point. Go ahead, go ahead.

Starting point is 00:45:11 No, I was just saying that was my first thing, red flag, right? Yeah, yeah, and you make an excellent point is that, you know, the idea that there is a, I mean, You could even just get rid of the word list entirely. Do you have data? Do you have evidence of people who committed crimes through this network? Obviously, I mean, the court documents from before at the 17, 2018 say that. They explicitly say that that they claim that Bondi, not when she claimed it's on her desk,

Starting point is 00:45:33 but in other interviews, as you saw, list that we have hours and hours of porn. And not just the porn she claimed it was after the fact, but like the actual evidence. And so you just can't, you can't hide from this, you know, that it's very clear. And so they say that you're right. There's no list. well, they're just pretending like there's no one list in one place. Okay, fine. Give us the evidence.

Starting point is 00:45:52 And this is why I think most people on the conservative side, I think I have it up right here. Even Rob Schneider just put this out. I think this was today. I just said, you know, it's the Chris Farley. Yeah. What was his name? I forget the character. For love of God, just a rest of one already.

Starting point is 00:46:06 Well, yeah, but Chris Farley as well. The character, the down by the river guy. Yeah. Yeah. What was this? I can't be crazy. But, you know, the point is like, these are hardcore supporters of the team of Trump. And it's like, look, just like it's not even just about Epstein.

Starting point is 00:46:20 How about Fauci or Bill Gates or anybody they claimed was altering information since he got elected or people that were in Social Security stealing, all these things, all the claims they made of all the crimes they're breaking out from Democrats. Not one person. It's crazy. You know, this entire Epstein, this has been, you know, Maha has been disappointing, but I will say, Epstein's been divisional. There's a different.

Starting point is 00:46:44 Yes. We're bigger about Maha, but we still all support RFK. We still have hope. We, we are still trying. You know, and I, I could say this from being in COVID spaces every single day. Stop the shots community on X. I'm a single day. And we don't, we haven't lost hope.

Starting point is 00:46:59 You know, we will take whatever we can get. And in hope, we're upset, we're frustrated. But, you know, but when it comes to this Epstein thing, this was not the same as saying, oh, well, we're not going to take the M RNA off the platform completely. Like, this is not the same thing. This is a long, this is prior to COVID. even like this has been going on a long time and resonates with one of the most obvious topics of whether it's sex trafficking sexual manipulation pedophilia like from the conservative side and rightly so

Starting point is 00:47:28 this has been a huge point of of i don't say interest but you know politically that we're going to stop and for him to just turn away from that and call it a hoax that's there's no one's going to buy that and they aren't well it already wasn't looking good with his first term and i think a lot of the the copium as though i'll call it not the hopium the copium the copium with the first administration, how we dealt with, you know, all those problems was that, well, it was his first time. He's a businessman, not a politician. So he got a lot of bad people around him in his first term. A lot of those people happen to be tied to Epstein, like Bill Barr and people like that that were, you know, Alex Acosta.

Starting point is 00:48:03 Right. You know, and so the idea now that he didn't have a good enough idea when it was his administration that the climax of the story occurs where, you know, Jeffrey Epstein, you know, I guess killed himself in prison. I have a hard to believe in that. But, you know, that's the narrative. And so to botch it now, like, of all things, you know, your fans really, really are the strongest base I've seen. I think only rival to that could be Obama in my lifetime was how dedicated of a base. And I would say Trump has a stronger base than Obama even. Because, let's be honest, a lot of the people are ideologies.

Starting point is 00:48:42 And a lot of them did it really based, like, on race and did not feel like they were racist. I've heard that for many people like I didn't want to be pinned to racist. Of course I voted for him. Well, that's not real loyalty. Like Trump people, they are loyal. Like they're not in this to lose. They are in it because they, a lot of them really have a kinship and a big admiration for Trump.

Starting point is 00:49:01 So it's a different kind of love, but it's very strong similarly. And this whole Epstein thing, you know, rightfully so. And I said this rightfully so. If the truth kills anything, I think it deserves to die. And if that's how it happens with,

Starting point is 00:49:16 Magga, then so be it, in my personal opinion, because I think the kids matter more. It's just super been a big, terrible letdown. And it's dividing Maga like I've never seen before. Yeah. I mean, understandably, you know, this is a jarring moment, you know. And of course, it just goes into it's all fake now, which, you know, my thought on this is like, okay, there's a hundred other ways. And like, where's his team, you know, a hundred other ways he could have handled this with a lie included.

Starting point is 00:49:43 That could have gone in entirely different direction. People would have bought almost anything he sold if he made up another excuse that just pushed it out another year, you know, or whatever. But he went all the way to it's not even real, you know, and then these people are like, well, you just told us otherwise. And then just gets spins into. And previously before it actually came out from Gabbard, he was already floating, you know, well, they faked Russia Gate. So which I think everybody knows, including most Democrats. And, you know, and so then they roll out this thing about Obama right in the middle of it, which my point quickly is that, okay, well, yes, lock him up. Obama's a criminal.

Starting point is 00:50:15 I think he should be. And him too. That's what I'm saying. Like, go ahead. Yeah. Right. But it's very conspicuous to do it now.

Starting point is 00:50:21 And secondarily, I don't think he's going to get arrested. And as, as Spiro says, it's, you know, we've been here before. We've seen this episode before, you know? And I absolutely love Spiro. He's fantastic. Me too. Original OGs, one of the very few. I've got to talk to him plenty of times and spaces and meeting the interview with him one of these days.

Starting point is 00:50:39 He's so, it's refreshing. Like you, Derek, Kim, like, there are very few refreshing people on the boards. Like, oh, okay. People aren't crazy. Thank goodness. Right. I absolutely adore him. And here's another additional point to that same thing as Nick's order comes out and says,

Starting point is 00:50:54 I don't think people realize just how much danger Gabbert is putting herself. It's the same thing we see every time. I said, no, now we're on to this entirely expected part of the partisan performance. How dare you criticize the obvious lies and deflections? Can't you see how much danger they're in? They loudly assume, sure, unless, you know, they're all one team pitting us against ourselves, but that's not possible. You know, at the same point when they go, why wouldn't have Biden really?

Starting point is 00:51:15 did if Trump was the list. Oh, I love that excuse. I love that. Good. That's my favorite excuse when they say, well, if it was, if Trump was on the list and they hated Trump so much, then why wouldn't they go ahead and out the list then? So obviously, you know, like if Biden wanted to, well, has no one considered the fact that maybe more than likely a lot of people close to Biden are also on this list?

Starting point is 00:51:39 Isn't that what conservative claim anyway? Why does it have to be like there's nothing, you know? Right. It's the copium is like the hope is the future for the copium is how are you dealing with it? And I just, the cope is so bad on on X especially with this Epstein thing. And people are like, oh, well, how much do I have to care about this? You know, like, oh, so I'm a pedophile. It's like, why are you going to be so extreme?

Starting point is 00:52:03 And it's a sense of desperation to maintain the narrative, really. It's the point you made earlier. It's they're being extreme because that's what they do. Moments ago, they were being extreme in support of it. Right. Like, oh, anybody who doesn't want. this coming out as a pedophile, like Tim Poole did the same thing. Like days before, going like, we need to release this because everyone's protecting pedophiles.

Starting point is 00:52:21 Then a vote goes through Congress to release the list, which I don't think Democrats wanted or thought would happen. I think they just wanted to make it look like they did. But the point was he then posted Democrats literally just voted to release pedophile and child porn. I'm like, I mean, it's just it's lazy partisan game. He just jumped to the side that that's what they're now saying. And I think that's what we keep seeing. It's just the now it's, well, why are we even talking about this?

Starting point is 00:52:43 Trump came out and said that, right? While we still talking about Jeffrey Epstein, it's just insulting. It was, right? Nobody's buying this. And now, of course, the kind of Clinton overlap. We can go to the tweet that you posted out. Here's Tim Pool today. They knew the Russians were not trying to get Trump elected.

Starting point is 00:53:01 In fact, it seems the Russians may have wanted Hillary elected. Oh my gosh, it's literally Russia gate reverse now. It's like this all the way back the other way. And then let's play the clip you shared. Then let's talk about thoughts on this, how this connects. He caught Hillary Clinton. I said, you know what? Let's not go too far here.

Starting point is 00:53:19 It's the ex-wife of a president, and I thought it was sort of terrible. And I let her off the hook, and I'm very happy I did. Wow. I did. Like that, I really, I went on a rant after that. I was like, are we talking about the same Hillary Clinton? Are we talking about the 30,000 and, you know, illegal servers, Hillary, the $65,000 pizza party, Podesta, Obama, Hillary, that Hillary, the killer,

Starting point is 00:53:43 the kill kill list the clinton kill list Hillary the same one you're happy you let her go you're you're happy and how does the base could make sense of this right if it's a word being told that and rightly so look there's plenty of evidence around clinton and some like even even the NBC chuck todd did report back in the day about potential pedophilia allegations in the state department she was there and they got kind of whisked away but there's very clear evidence but the point is that people in the right would accuse her of being a pedophile you know and here we are covering up another trafficking network. And it's just like there's more than enough evidence to suggest that he's either, you know, somebody's forcing him to hide all of this or he is implicated. I mean,

Starting point is 00:54:19 those seem the most like Occam's Razor, the most logical points right now. Occam's Razor, I think a lot of it is that he's, you know, and this is not a very popular opinion. People I know some of some people do share with him. But I do think that Trump has become quite compromised in the second administration. I don't even think it's from within the swamp necessarily. I think a lot of this is a foreign influence. Yeah. I think Israel's playing a large part in this. And of course, Israel is the other member of this big, you know, franchise that was going on with Epstein. That, you know, Alex Acosta admitted to that, that he at least was intelligent. You know, you've got the mega study group that ties him with Mossad.

Starting point is 00:54:54 So there's, you know, there's more than enough. Like one of the last things he did before he had his arrest, his original arrest, back in 2006, he flew to Israel, right? Right? Right. Right. Right. In the midst of trial, flew, flew on to him. So it's very clear that he's got some tie, quite clearly in Israel, the amount of money, the people he hung up

Starting point is 00:55:11 out for exclusively Jewish billionaires of the study group is exclusively Jewish billion. And so, um, to see and that's where the money came from after his affiliation with mega is when he really started gaining a lot of traction in terms of property and finances. And so, um, to, to just ignore that correlation out of fear being called to anti-Semite, I think is a huge mistake. Yeah. And I think Trump obviously is just heavily controlled by Israel's unfortunate, but um, I think to deny it at this point is just copium you're coping a lot i agree i agree and that and that you know the idea that becomes something about jews at large is just ridiculous it's stupid that's not what we're saying and the obvious reality

Starting point is 00:55:52 is about a government and its actions and the political ideology that drives it you know it's it's frustrating that we even have to go through all that every time but that speaks every time right right but it speaks to take that breath disclaimer and you be like by the way i'm specifically talking about benjamin nal and the government's actions is you have to do that and it's it's it's the same thing like when you criticize Trump, if you ever do go to X spaces in a Trump room and you feel like the you shouldn't say anything that's slightly critical about Trump. There's this thing I've noticed, I noticed myself doing it first and I noticed other people doing it too where you make this disclaimer. Look, I voted for Trump. That will always be the sentence that precedes whatever slight criticism

Starting point is 00:56:28 you're able to, you know, courage out, you know, but you always like, look, guys, guys, I voted for Trump. But don't you think this is weird? Like you always, I always hear it. And when you think about it, you'll, you'll notice it every time. And it's that to me, you're, that to me, is a clear red flag and an indicator that there's something terribly wrong here. We have to disclaimer and self-censor. There's a huge problem here. It's my mind is because the person doing that who's willing to point out of criticism knows that the gatekeeper cat turd Benny Johnson types are going to shout you down in the

Starting point is 00:56:57 moment you come in. So you come out like, look, look, look. I'm on you. I also think that there's a level and that's part I would agree with. It's the problem, right? That's why that's happening. I do agree. But I do think there's an element that I always talk about, which is if you want to

Starting point is 00:57:09 kind of, you know, coming from an honest place, with a slight maybe white lie, if you want to frame it that way, is come at it like, look, you know, I said this during COVID. And let's say somebody is just, you know, we know those walls came down. Oh, you're on the, you disagree with me. Then you're the enemy, right? And so you go, maybe you want to show them that masks don't work. And here's a study.

Starting point is 00:57:24 You come up to him and go, hey, I'm sure glad we have masks because they're protecting us. But did you see this study? You know, so they go, oh, he's on my side, right? And then they, oh, what's the study? I have to say, doesn't that seem crazy? I know, we're on the same page, right? but this is weird, you know, and then they start to look at it more. You know, it's like maybe there's a doing that, okay, maybe he is on Trump's side,

Starting point is 00:57:40 so I'm more willing to hear the criticism, you know, but I agree with you. It's a very clear sign of a problem. Back to the, back to the Epstein part of it is that let's also point out that, I mean, right up to Netanyahu, every prime minister, not every one of them, but I think back, at least to Ihu Barak and before were tied to Epstein. Ewebara showed up, I think, seven times. And there's that one picture of him with his coach covering his face, trying to sneak into seeing him while he's under house arrest.

Starting point is 00:58:04 you know, it's just clear that there's an interconnection there. But don't assume out there, you know, to take our word for it. Look at the data points. Look at the facts and recognize that this, as you pointed out, Acosta, who before he went to the last, the first Trump administration, he's asked and he said, they told me to back away because he was, you know, intelligence paraphrasing. And that was enough for them. So they liked that answer.

Starting point is 00:58:23 They brought him on the team because he overlooked that concern, you know, and now we see all the connections here. We see all the actions playing out. I mean, it's a valid point to be made and ask whether or not there's something happening, especially because the point that was making before. I mean, how do you explain all this? I mean, how do you explain any politician acting against their interest seems crazy right now? But let alone, like, against everything that he's built,

Starting point is 00:58:43 against what the interests of the American people, and clearly for the benefit of Israel with anti-Semitism attacks. And, you know, it is kind of alarming. But I'm glad people are starting to call it out at the very least. And I think that is shifting. Yeah, I think people just need to be very fearless and be, you know, be like constant in your belief in the First Amendment. and that it is our right until that is stricken,

Starting point is 00:59:06 that is something we are entitled. And I truly believe that, you know, like I've mentioned it many times with John of Kennedy's speech in 1961 about the importance of media and the importance of telling the truth and transparency. Like, you know, if you're going to tout to be the most transparent administration in history, then I'm going to be the most critical and forthcoming citizen in history. That's the job I'm going to have to have if you're going to make such a, a claim I'm going to hold you to it and you know people need to not be afraid of that the labels are

Starting point is 00:59:37 whatever I'm very fortunate that I'm a woman of color in this country because I feel like I get made a pass on certain things which is not fair I'm not saying it's racially or ideologically fair but you know I know that they do filter and they do have algorithms that try to you know that put people in different labels like oh they're white nationalist or extremist or you know toxic or whatever and and if I can surpass any of those based on the old DEI thing that are logged in there and I can get my voice out there on the truth and I I'm I will use that as a as a means of kind of manipulating the system to get the truth out there better because I know I'm less censored than somebody like saying Jake Shield you know who um there's like the last

Starting point is 01:00:18 person they want to hear any criticism from is like a white male right now and so um which is just horrific to think that that's just the way it is that there's this such as racial problem but this whole anti-semitism thing has got to not be uh kid gloved um you you know you're you know, foreign relations is a real issue. They need to be talked about. But seriousness and not under the threat that you'll be called some sort of bigot. That's ridiculous. You know, like I'm every race pretty much in the world.

Starting point is 01:00:43 I couldn't possibly be racist if I wanted to. I'm literally too much of everything. And I, you know, have no bias on that. So whenever I've been called it plenty of times because I did a thread, I did a big thread that has been used on Sue Peter's show before Stu used it lots. and of course, the few leaders. But it was just me going through the individual states

Starting point is 01:01:05 using the Jewish virtual library. I didn't use any non-Jewish sources and Israeli sources to just see how much we sent them collectively from the states. For each state, I just wanted to know how much that was, because we sent 3.8 trillion, you know, or not trillion, sorry. Billion.

Starting point is 01:01:22 That would be a whole other issue, but it's already been $3.20 billion. Federally, but the states, it's so much more. I think with the states total, with federal, it's closer to 17. and a half billion annually. And that, because it made such a big deal, stupass that are all

Starting point is 01:01:37 around and was tagging congressmen in it and stuff on a show. And so I got a lot of attention from a lot of people in like ADL. Very, very upset with me. And, you know, I'm just, and I was like, this is not, I'm not even picking, like, it's not like you pick like Hitler.com

Starting point is 01:01:55 for these sources. This is the Jewish virtual library that is, you know, ran by Israelis. So, I would assume that you guys would be okay with your sources. And it's not factual information. Like so, you know, that's the whole idea when you're not dancing,

Starting point is 01:02:10 and you used to say, sorry, go ahead. No, I was just saying, it's just how much we spend. It's not even saying anything negative. It's not an opinion.

Starting point is 01:02:17 It's just like, it's just a, it's literally a receipt. That's all I'm saying. It's just a receipt for, you know, how much the cost looks like. And it's just interesting to see that.

Starting point is 01:02:27 And for me, because I found out when I realized my state, Virginia, since 40 million and i was like we have like a lot of problems here we have a really poor education system here our roads are horrible um we have a lot of military here a lot of traffics we have a lot of bad roads and it causes a lot of you know problems with your cars of course and it costs all the cost everything just goes up and so i was like how can we're spending this outside of our state when we have so many state issues and then i realized it really was a

Starting point is 01:02:54 national issue on a state level there's only i think two states that sent less than a couple hundred thousand and that's very few i think hawaii was one who sent the least about 11 grand um but some of them are up to two two and a half billion dollars some why the rationale you know why in the world that even makes sense to send i mean in any case like clearly they feel like they have to you know what i mean like there's no that's very strange especially when there's very clear pushback all over the country about this stuff yeah i'm i'm gonna have to make sure i do a point about that and you know and highlight your work so send me that link and i'll make sure we talk about i i absolutely will it's just like it bothered me that the states that's on the most are typically ones that you would think

Starting point is 01:03:31 based on just demographics and people within the state there is high Jewish populations in the states of the most in general, which makes a lot of sense to me because that would be within the interest of, you know, people possibly back home in different companies. And that's fine. I don't have a problem of that. But the problem is that those states also happen to be the ones with the highest incidence of homelessness. They're like Oregon, California, New York. And that money, those billions within the state, That's state money billions. That really right now, those places, I don't have you seen downtown Portland recently,

Starting point is 01:04:02 but it is, my brother lives. It's the last time I visited, it was horrific and it's almost unrecognizable. And to think that $2 billion that could have really solved Oregon's homeless problems left to another country in such a time of dire need is just, it's not a matter of the religious aspect that don't care about that at all. It's that we have American suffering.

Starting point is 01:04:23 Yeah. Well, I mean, to understand the reality, it's not a religious aspect. It's a political aspect. Zionism. It's not Judaism, right? And the lies around that are coming out everywhere. But, you know, what's frustrating is that, you know,

Starting point is 01:04:32 even if we're talking about Israeli Americans or the weird argument that somehow because you're Jewish, you're connected to Israel, which is not the truth. Ask Orthodox Jews around the world. But the point is that you're, you know, that money, if you're Israeli-American, why wouldn't you want that to be helping America with the tax dollars in the United States? Like, you know, and then to have people suffering that don't. Like the argument clearly is that that is more important than your interest in this country. And that is the whole thing we're trying to highlight right now is that the government

Starting point is 01:04:58 is taking actions in the interest of a foreign state over your interest, conservatives, right, in America. Like, that's the reality. And it's, it's so hard to get people to see that sometimes. But, you know, to kind of wrap up a long time. I took me. It took me while. I was not here. This, this conversation, like, wouldn't, would have not been flown with me at all a couple years ago. But, but it was two months before October 7th, I had a good friend of mine. She is, like, dual citizen. She's Israeli and American. and she's Jewish and and she has family there and she just told me one day about how she, how her religion was and she, you know, just thought I'd be interested to find out.

Starting point is 01:05:36 I told her I was absolutely interested because I really, you know, it was only, I'm raised Christian. I still am a Christian. And so I, you know, I share the similar beliefs that a lot, like the Ted Cruz is of the world. There's a lot of Christians that understood and had no problems what Ted Cruz said because that's very common and evangelicals. she answers that there's this kind of narrative that is not really detailed very well when you're growing up and and i come from a long line of pastors in my family so like we build our church in our community back home so this was you know and she told me over a course of a couple hours one lunch

Starting point is 01:06:10 that what she thought and and the ideas within her nation and what her people thought and what they thought of my god and and and our ideals and i was i was very shocked she was very candid with me to this day it gets me tongue-tied just thinking about that conversation because it's so not what I thought I knew. Yeah. And hearing it from somebody who I like, do I consider a friend who was just casually

Starting point is 01:06:35 chatting it with me was just, it was very alarming, very alarming. I think, and for that kind of shock for certain people, it's like the vaccine thing too when you find out that vaccine hurt people. And you're somebody who gave your kid vaccines and stuff. Like, you know, you believe this narrative without questioning your

Starting point is 01:06:51 whole life. And then when you have that moment where you realize what you knew is not reality. It's very jarring. It was very jarring for me. I was very distraught. I couldn't believe. I still can't, like in a lot of ways. And I think a lot of people are struggling with that,

Starting point is 01:07:06 to kind of having to deal with that. And I understand that because it was a lot for me as a Christian to understand that, you know, the belief that they made us believe that we were super aligned on everything. It just, it does not compute in reality. And it's a hard pill to swallow. And I think until that happens religious, because we are a dominantly Christian. We have the, you know, we have the most Christians.

Starting point is 01:07:28 I think we're competing with China at this point. But in terms of how many, but per capita compared to any other religion, we're definitely prominent Protestants here. Even our government is well over 60% Protestant of some form in denomination. So, which is not the same kind of case in Israel. Israel does not have multiple religions within their government. We do. We do have 2% Jewish congressmen.

Starting point is 01:07:50 We do have like 4% of. Islam. We've got, like, we got very small percentage of everything, but that's, that's because, you know, we actually do value democracy. And then to find out that Israel's government does not have any non-Jewish people in their government at all. And then they want us to believe their greatest ally, their democracy represents their people, but their entire population isn't represented in their government. Like, ours is not well distributed. I'll say that. Like, we have far more other ethnicities and religions that should be better represented. but we do have some representation for virtually every type of group in this nation. And that's a blessing of the United States. But it's also something to consider when we look at this wordage that we mentioned earlier,

Starting point is 01:08:34 of how they just simply say, oh, if you're against Zionism, then you're anti-Semitic or if you're against B.B's actions, you're anti-Semitic. And it's that language that is put there to dissuade people from getting further into the conversation to point out the reality is like, well, I actually see the separation of church and state. I'm an American. We've made that a part of our culture. And we try to do democracy to represent all people

Starting point is 01:09:01 so that we can maintain that, you know, where we have the separation between these personal beliefs and our government. We believe that here because we support all different ones. And so we can't support just one. And yet, you know, our greatest ally supports just one. And if we say anything about it or even negatively about them at all, We have laws now that have passed that will punish us.

Starting point is 01:09:23 And as when we're the most accepting nation, there is per by our government. Our government says we're the most accepting because we have all sorts of people. We have Buddhists. We have atheists. We have all sorts of representation in this nation. It's not a brand new thing. We've had lots of different colors of racist religion. So for us to be very transparent and accepting type and then to be told you're a bigot because you're,

Starting point is 01:09:48 questioning laws that are going to hurt you. It's this language thing that's really disturbing. And this has been, I don't know what Trump is thinking. I really don't. And that's what makes me think he has to be compromised. Because I don't, I just can't see any other rational reason for a lot of these actions, whether it's Palantir and Palantir's work with the military, with the IDF and killing innocent Palestinians and gods.

Starting point is 01:10:18 Like how come the children is what's falling through the cracks in all these situations, whether it's DARPA, the control grid, the vaccines, the war mechanism. It's all kind of just comes down to the children. And they're just getting Epstein. I mean, they're getting the real bad end of the stick. But thank goodness, they're not transgendering them in schools anymore. That's like the one win, I guess, that we have. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:10:39 Well, I mean, definitely, definitely win. I mean, that's one of the darkest things that were seen happen in this country. But my gut tells me it was kind of a means to an end. And it was not really about the pronouns and the ideology. It's just like, as we talked about, the USAID, it was just a foot in the door for regime change. And whatever the narrative is that day, whatever the narrative dejor is that can be used, that'll be used.

Starting point is 01:10:59 That's why I often point out that even right now, the current Trump administration is still funding in ways they don't want to make highlighted circumcision in Africa to fight off AIDS in multiple places in Africa, South Africa, one in Mali. And when they made this big stink about how crazy that was from before, I'm like, well, here's two examples of them currently funding that, or climate change related aspects.

Starting point is 01:11:18 Now, I don't think it's because they care about those things. I think it's because wherever those locations are, that still serves the purpose. You know what I mean? And so it's clear, but there are plenty of people that absorb this ideology and dangerously still think it matters. But the point is the real big picture, you know?

Starting point is 01:11:32 And, you know, it's hard to look at all that and not see that there's a big problem happening, you know, and that they're lying to us about the way it goes. There are plenty of people that would disagree about, like, their government and what they're doing there, but the facts speak for themselves. And what's actually happening? And ask Ethiopian Jews how they're treated,

Starting point is 01:11:46 inside of Israel. Oh, I read about that. It's horrible. It's horrible. And there's so many examples of this stuff. But again, I think people are finally starting to ask these questions. And I'll end with the point of, you know, that I agree with you in regard to whatever it is, something's driving these actions that's not an American interest.

Starting point is 01:12:01 And so the idea that he's floated six different times now that American citizens could be next. Two of those points, he mentioned people born here. So not just naturalized U.S. citizens as much as that's just as concerning. And so the problem is that I think there's something that's being driven, either the collapse of this country or against American interests. And I just think it's worth our time to call these things out. And like you're pointing out with, you know, everything you do is to not let it be, you know, we'll blind ourselves to decide that doesn't help our current agenda.

Starting point is 01:12:27 We just have to start being honest about these things, you know. So any final comments on that and just any, you know, wrap up points you want to make? Yeah, like I just want to put like some, if people are looking for things to look into, like, prediction-wise, kind of here. I feel like the, what's going on with space and the space efforts right now, Now, I think it's really important people to start paying attention a little more to what's going on on SpaceX and the United States Space Force. We don't hear a lot about them. They don't make a lot of stink about it unless it's a launch.

Starting point is 01:12:56 But there's been just, there's been a lot of having the number of launches alone have increased almost 60, 70% every year since COVID started, you know, since we started launching again on American soil. But there's definitely a lot in terms of DARPA's aspect for what they're trying to do with a lot of these satellites. They're working on a lot of these satellite technologies with people like Palantir and with, you know, Starlink. And I think that, you know, that's where a lot of the money is going, even though they just did a 24 and a half percent decrease in the funding for NASA. There's also these other weird kind of things going on where you've got Sean Duffy now, director for NASA slash Department of Transportation. As I mentioned earlier, there's just a lot of happening. And, you know, personally, if you ever get the chance to look into it, look into May 30th. 2020. I know it was a long time ago started the pandemic era, but there was a launch that day

Starting point is 01:13:50 called the Demo 2 launch that Trump attended during the highest threat level a president has received since 9-11. And he dismissed his security staff to attend that launch, which was just a restock. I just urge people to go look at that instance. It's very unique. And something is there with the space, something's important with Elon 2, the whole doge, something there that I think people need to look at and pay attention. You know, I'm glad, and just a thought to end on for people to look into. I really agree with you. I've made this point about, I mean, how do we ever confirm what the hell's going on in our space?

Starting point is 01:14:24 It's like the Wild West right now because if we believe what they claim, they have the ability to go and build bases and fly around. So what is going on? Are other countries doing similar things we're not hearing about? Are they competing? How is that not possible? You know, I mean, how is it? It seems likely that there's some kind of engagement going on that we're unaware of or what they're doing from, like, what I played this,

Starting point is 01:14:42 this little graphic here for the podcast to show the, that's a, in the last, what, like since 2000. The NERlings. No, yeah,

Starting point is 01:14:48 that's satellite. Not NERlings. Sorry, Starlings. It's both really. Oh, yeah, you said NERLinks.

Starting point is 01:14:53 Sorry. Space X or Starlink, you know, the satellite point is, is, you know, that image makes me feel claustrophobic. Oh my God, that scares me.

Starting point is 01:15:02 But it's like, we're being, you know, there's so much that could lead from that. And so I agree with you. We should look into this, what's going on and, you know,

Starting point is 01:15:08 and how that can be used within this country for surveillance or any number of other things. But yeah, there's so much going on that I think we're in ways, even with stories that are valid and important, like an Epstein story, are still almost in their own right being used to keep us from looking at other things. There's so many ways to look at all this. And I will again, shout out your work and all people will continue to look at your investigations and what you're talking about on your other platforms on Twitter and everything else. And thank you for coming and joining me today. I really enjoyed the conversation.

Starting point is 01:15:35 Thank you for having me. I always enjoy the conversation. It was a little all over the place, but, you know, like my mind, my mind works my ways. I'm more than happy to do it. That's my favorite. I think it's just rapid fire kind of conversation about different things going on because, you know, we get a little limited time, you know, and I think it's important to see people, you know, kind of contextualize the larger opinion about things. And, you know, so thank you again for being here.

Starting point is 01:15:56 And anything else you want to shout out before you break, wrap today in the upcoming events or anything? No, I just want to say, you know, thank you. Of course, I absolutely should make time to do more of these with you. I do enjoy them very much. And there's, there's so many, like you said, there's so many stories to talk about. And it's just never ending. I don't know. I'm beginning to think it's all by design to have so many massive, like, when is ever

Starting point is 01:16:17 life in this like interesting? This is so much. So, you know, I try to look at everything, but I know I miss a lot. But I definitely love talking it over with you. Thank you. And I look forward to the next one. And as always, everybody out there, question everything. Come to your own conclusions.

Starting point is 01:16:33 Stay vigilant. In some respects, it's just as bad now, the authoritarianism that is coming, Gerald. I am really, really fearful for the president of the United States of America to suggest, as he did on Air Force One on Sunday night, that American citizens could be deported for his press secretary to say, we're looking into a way to see if this is legal. We don't know if it's legal or not. A, it's terrifying. B. betrays such a profound ignorance of first principles to which he is warning is sworn to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution, and to enforce federal law.

Starting point is 01:17:15 You mentioned that you're open to deporting individuals that aren't foreign aliens, brought criminals to El Salvador. Does that include potentially U.S. citizens fully naturalized in America? If they're criminals and if they hit people with baseball bats over their head that happened to be 90 years, old and if if they rape 87 year old women in Coney Island, Brooklyn, yeah, yeah, that includes them. Why do you think there's special category of person? They're as bad as anybody that comes in. We have bad ones too. Profoundly un-American, utterly unconstitutional, and I'm sorry to say, is coming.

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