The Last American Vagabond - Faithless Town Interview – Revolution Through Music

Episode Date: June 29, 2025

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Welcome to The Last American Bagabond. Joining me today for our ongoing Revolution Through Music series is Gene Owens of Faithless Talent, a band that I'm very, very fond of, really for multiple reasons because they're amazingly talented, but somebody who has shown themselves throughout a lot of the things that we've seen, you know, politically and otherwise, but COVID-19 was a really obvious moment where people chose to put what they believed ahead of a lot of different things. In this case, a career, a prospering career. in the music industry and to do so because you believe in it because it's something that you think

is important and to see a divide in the community about people that will support you based on what they believe in, what they think you're fighting for, and that the music is fantastic versus those that will ignore everything else for a political agenda. And this is, this series is important to me because it really discusses, as we've discussed, where it's comedy or music, a way that people can be reached through music that they may not realize with things that are important. And we know that happens with propaganda every single day. And so inviting Gene on to discuss this work, his, his, this field and his music through that and what he's discovered and how he's got here. So how are you today, brother? Good to have you on the show. I'm doing great. Thanks for having

Ryan. I've been a big fan of the show for years now and following your work. So it's an honor to be here. Well, thank you, man. I appreciate that. Yeah. And likewise, I really do think that you, you know, your band really stood out to me in a lot of this, the, you know, like I said, choosing to do this because you believe in it. And in my opinion, a no way. way whatsoever diminishing your work, in fact, making it much better. But at the same time, like I said, people that would choose to ignore it just because of a message that's in there. It's such an interesting overlap. But so let's start with your background in all of this. When did you first get into music? Were there any kind of like early, you know, groups that kind of guided you toward it?

And at what point did you kind of start to overlap with this discussion? Sure. I discovered music at a young age. My parents would always, my dad was a big Elvis fan and Sinatra fan and my mom loved Motown and that's the music I grew up with was the oldie station so it was like the Supremes and

you know Marvin Gay and that kind of stuff and the temptations and Elvis and the Beach Boys and the Beatles and that's what I was first exposed to music and those were the first sounds that entered my mind and formed the concept of what is

music to me. And then when I was about 13, my father passed away, and it was a very heartbreaking moment for me as a young man. And it was at that point I rediscovered music. And music kind of became this very cathartic thing for me, where I could put all my emotions and my angst and my rage that I felt into music, to channel it into something productive and cathartic. And in a lot of ways, I mean, I feel like rock and roll really saved my life. It really got me through a very difficult time in my teenage years. And it gave me purpose and a way to channel all those emotions. And I think that's the beauty of music. It can really can really get you through hard times. And I think it has really this power to unite people, this power to kind of save people in a way.

So right out of high school, I went to a music school called the Musicians Institute in Los Angeles. It's right in the heart of Hollywood. It was a big. like guitar shredder school in the 80s I think Eddie Van Halen actually sat on the board of directors so I was a little out of place because I was always focused on and interested in songwriting and most of the guys there just wanted to like see how they could do like super fast tapping and Yingfei mouse team kind of stuff but I did learn a lot and I met a lot of great musicians and got to collaborate with them and kind of put together my first bands there in the late nine early 2000s in Los Angeles.

And from there, I relocated to Atlanta in like 2005, and then I shortly thereafter formed Faithless Town. And that's just kind of become the moniker of my musical endeavors. So now we have three full-length albums and a series of singles, including that one, you were kind enough to open the show with Stand Together, which we released last year. And we'll be ending with the full version of that,

of that just when you can even taste to start because it's you know we're just the showing you the political kind of you know messaging behind it you know and and so before i want to ask you know i don't if you want to speak for the remaining band members but we can get into what you know there maybe your impression of that same conversation for them but first just the name so faithless talent was that something that explained where that name came from and was that because of this mindset or was that before you were or was it always there for you kind of like the you know truth or music kind of mindset uh no the name just kind of came by chance we were originally called the easy hearts and it was a very americana um lineup of the band we had a fiddle player and it was very acoustic

very grand parsons alt country style music i love it yeah man it was we you know we did an ep back in 2008 with that kind of sound five songs you got to give me that but yeah i'll send it your way One of those things is you look back on older records, you're like, ah, I wish I could have done this differently or saying that differently. But it still has a special place in my heart. But as we were making that album, I realized that there was a band in the Netherlands that had that name, the Easy Hearts. And then we were kind of stuck with like, we're about to finish this record and we don't have a name for the, for the music, for the group, for the band. So we had a song called Faithless Town and that we took the name for the band from that song. And you know,

know i've thought read it thought about it more um you know i personally am agnostic i my my heart is open to faith and religion but you know i'm i'm a skeptic at heart and um i think that's why your work has always resonated with me and the tagline of t lav of question everything so there might be an element of that where like i'm still just kind of undecided and i i find it hard to put my faith into things that I can't see with my own eyes and belief. But yeah, but really it was just by chance that that name kind of became the name of the band and my musical endeavors. I sense that you were kind of hinting around there that like, so has the name become

more meaningful you, not meaningful meaningful for you now? Because before you answer, similar thing with my name is that it kind of came about in a kind of a chance way. Like there was feeling behind it. But I didn't really contextualize it. the way that I see it now. And people always ask me, did it, what does it mean to you now?

And it's really, for me, it's become like the ending pursuit of truth. The last American bagabond is, you know, it's like that we're bag of bond is not always, it means, you know, endless travel,

not necessarily for the end result, but just the travel itself. And I kind of relate that to that today, but that's not how I saw in the beginning. So is there something like that for you with the name today as it pertains to what's going on? I would say so for sure. You know,

it's kind of like band names are really unique things or the name of any kind of, you know, creative endeavor. It's, uh, it, it seems silly at first. Like every name that you think is cool of any band, whether it's the black crows or, uh, the wallflowers or the heartbreakers, everything. We just by itself, it sounds kind of silly. But once it's like, it has life when the music becomes a part of that brand or that entity, then it, then it takes on meaning. Um, but yeah, it's, you know, it's an ever-changing

thing. And, you know, the songs that I read, I think they're, they're living things. And they, um, That's why we love to bring them to life on stage and the name of the band and the music and the songs. It's just a constantly evolving living organism of sorts. Yeah. Yeah. What's interesting, like you're saying with music, songs in particular, that, you know, a song can come out. Same actually, no. I think you and I actually talked about this when I performed with you guys at the Cobra,

that the songs, I, you know, I wrote these, I don't know, some of them, you know, almost a decade ago. And to think about how relevant these songs are to, like, literally what's happening. Because, you know, the sentiment is kind of ageless, but it takes on new meaning when you start to go, okay, like with COVID-19 and these things starts to make more sense. So I totally get that. It's interesting how you're right. It's sort of a living thing that can evolve as things go along. Did you want to touch on, you know, any of the other band members, at least, you know, one of their names and, you know, does all start the same? Is that evolved over time? The line of the band has changed, like, countless times. It's really hard to keep a band together. You know, everybody has got their own lives and it's hard to just be making original music. I mean, anybody can do it now and, you know, everything is oversaturated with people making TikToks and recording things on their computer and their phones, which is great. It, you know, the advancements in technology in that sense and social media have allowed

people to create easier, you know, without having like $20,000 to go into a recording studio. But at the same time, everyone's just so busy. It's very hard to make money and make a living as just playing original music. So, I mean, most of the guys in my band right now, since I'm in Nashville, they're Nashville players. I have a really talented backing vocalist Mariah Morris, who plays around town all the time. Our guitar player, Nigel Briggs, he's originally from Canada. But now, you know, he's one of the hardest working guitar players and bassist in Nashville. But yeah, the whole

band lineup just kind of is a revolving door of sorts. Like I fashion, I think of it like one of my favorite bands is guided by voices. They're this indie rock band from Dayton, Ohio. And the band has gone through probably 50 members or more throughout since its inception. And the one main factor is Robert Pollard, the singer-songwriter. So Faithless Town is kind of like that. And I can't say that every person that I have played music. music with that has shared the stage with me as part of Faithless Town shares my views,

you know, and that we're completely aligned on everything. And I don't think we need to be, you know, I would really like us all to get back as a society to a place where we can collaborate with others, work with others that we disagree with, that we don't have to be completely aligned with on every political or social issue. That was, that's like what a civilization is supposed to be, a civilized, polite society. This nonsense of like, I have to be. I have to be. I have to be. I have to be completely in agreement with somebody else, somebody on every political thing for us to be friends, for us to work together. I think that's nonsense. I agree completely. And I think that's that one of the biggest detriments to, it really wasn't just this moment. It's been a building issue,

but I think we really saw this with the introduction of the Trump dynamic. And I don't even think it's about him. I just think it's how it's all being used, which we all saw this change from, you know, we disagree to you're now an enemy of the country. And that's all it is right now. You know, if you, like you're saying, you can't have an amicable disagreement. If you think that, then you're trying to kill us all or you're going to destroy the country or, you know, it's all hyperbolic. And so you're right. You know, we need to be able to get beyond disagreement and understand that we can work together

towards different chain. You know, it's, I think one of the reasons we are where we are right now. And I think that's by design. We can get in some, you know, current events toward the end of the show. I think it's important because a lot of that is all in that same conversation. But you mentioned something about TikTok, for we go back to that. I thought this was an interesting point that in regard to, the way the industry has changed.

You've been doing this a while, right? You saw the change of like, you know, basically where in Nashville in particular, I forget how long you've been here, but where at the time there was an industry kind of control over how you can get, you had to pay a lot to go to these studios and you wouldn't be able to produce to a certain level

if you weren't able to do that through connections to the money. And it sort of created like a box out of a lot of people that were talented until eventually we saw that shift into something like that where people could do in-home stuff or more so it became, You know, somebody I work with in Nashville,

exactly who has done this in a mainstream field has broken off and started his own home studio. And so that really did change the field a bit. And so there's like a middle ground there to now where it's like this oversaturation with people on just easy computer stuff on TikTok. So all that kind of transition, it's weird to see though.

Wasn't there a moment there where it was kind of like a liberating time, right? Where it was kind of like you were unbound by the kind of industry control over it. Am I wrong in that? Is that out felt? And then now it's getting worse because it's oversaturated? Yeah. And I think it's also,

I think there was that moment. I think you probably saw that in independent journalism, right? And also people like James Corbett, you know, seeing like his YouTube kind of blow up, get hundreds and thousands of subscribers in this very organic way where people seeking out the truth or seeking out alternative voices in journalism and media. And I think similarly, something was happening with music and art. But now we're at the point where not only is it like it's oversaturated, but I think that it's controlled. You know, I think all the, we know that like platforms like TikTok, YouTube, they will censor you. You know, we have a song called Do Not Compli that is still completely banned off YouTube.

It was up there for a few days. And it is, we got a strike on our account. They pulled the video down. It's on Rumble. It's a Rumble and X about the only places you can watch it. But, you know, we know that those platforms are controlled, are censored, and they're gained. So I'm very skeptical now when you see anybody that emerges as this viral sensation, I guarantee you that there is the same way that the industry was controlled before by, you know, big record labels and like Sony and Universal and the same way these platforms are being controlled now. When there's an artist that all of a sudden is being promoted to you on every platform.

Like for me, and I know people will disagree with this, but for me, a perfect example of this is Oliver Anthony. I know he was like primed is like he's the voice of the people. First of all, that song is about, he mentions people eating cookies. No great song is about cookies. I include Limp Biscuit in that too. And then two, it was just like an anthem of them consciousness. And of course, it's promoted on everything. I opened up TikTok.

It's him singing that song. You open up YouTube. It's him singing on it. Instagram, Facebook. The Republican National Convention, the debates were happening. It was the first question they asked the candidates. What do you think about his new song? People think that's really organic in this day and age?

I mean, it's wild. But let me ask you something, though. I mean, obviously it's all opinion because we can't prove one way or the other, but I agree with you. I don't find that even being possible. I shouldn't say like that. It's certainly possible, but highly unlikely that that was organic. My question is, do you think it's possible that he, that people like that in a general

sense could be used without being a part of that manipulation? You know, like, yeah, I think so. That's a song that they decide to capitalize on as opposed to him being a part of that lie. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think so. I just, there's so much, I mean, the whole industry is, it's just fake, you know, and it's, exactly. It's broken, you know, like the streaming model's completely broken, talking about the oversaturation and how the digitization. that's a hard word but how digital everything has become and you know people making music digitally and sharing it digitally it's everything's just so fake and games and it's really incredibly more difficult I think than ever before for musicians to to make money case in point I have a friend

here in Nashville who had a song of hers just hit a million streams on Spotify wow she owns it's just she's part of a duo so it's her and her songwriting partner. They own the master. They own their publishing. They have all the rights to it. They got a million streams on Spotify. That only earned them collectively $3,000. And they split that. That's $1,500 each. That does not even, $1,500 doesn't even cover one month of an average one-bedroom apartment in Nashville. That's insane. So that's, it's wild. So, yeah, thinking about what success is in this industry now, and I really have to think outside of that. I think that.

Yeah, I'll come. Yeah, I just think what's important is like being true to yourself, making the art you feel compelled to make, right? Like nobody chooses, I don't think anybody chooses the path of being an artist, like actually an artist that's creating art that sometimes has inconvenient truth. And sometimes it has things that rile people up that people disagree with. No one's going to really do that unless they feel like called to do it. And because it's not it's not about just making money, you know, the people that

they're going to make the money. They've been like groomed since childhood. You know, you see all these Disney stars, the Britney Spears, the Ariana Grande's, the Sabrina Carpenters, these people that were, you know, child stars and they've been kind of groomed through the industry the whole whole way to be this pop star. Taylor Swift's another example, you know, like he was the daughter of one of the richest men in Pennsylvania, you know, he's spent a small fortune making building her career and positioning her in line with all these corporate interests so she could just be this mouthpiece that she is this big like, you know, face of this corporate entity. Yeah.

Redefining success is something I think is a really important thing you touched on right there that I've talked about in this field and any of it, but from my perspective as well for a long time that, you know, we need to start recalibrating how we think this looks. Otherwise, we're going to be let down. Like I think, you know, that like in this sense, like from my perspective, it's like, I don't think we're going to have this watershed moment where it's like, we won. You know what I mean? Like suddenly everybody sees it's over.

Like I don't even think that's possible with where we are today. But we still have success in a lot of ways. And so it's about trying to redefine what that looks like. And the same thing from your perspective. And it's like, you know, it's so frustrating for that deep way possible that somebody could reach a million people. You know, I mean, what do we even calling viral? People think people call things like so many thousand shares viral today.

You know, think about a million. And having no real return on that, which shows you how much they've kind of capital. that market. The only way you can get that reach without going through other channels is do that, but then you get no return for it. You know, and it's like, so how do we then find a way to capitalize on that? You know, that's the hard part without selling your soul to all these different control factors.

It's so frustrating. I deal with a similar thing where, you know, I mean, from my perspective at the very least, you know, we interview the same people you're going to find half the times like during COVID and others, then you'll see on the highest levels of the conversation. We've got videos that get over a million views more than once in the past. But yet we are shockingly suppressed and restrained to where we don't really see the return from the work. And it's the same conversation, you know? And so it's like, how do we get past that?

You know, and it's such a, it's a rhetorical question. You know, I don't really know at this point. But that's my point about trying to redefine how we think the end game is. And that's where it becomes almost like by default selfless. You know what I mean? Like to me, it's like, okay, well, screw that then. I'm not going to even worry about it as my, insofar as so much as I can, bills and everything. I'm just going to focus on what the outcome is.

what we can do to change this, which is why I respect what you're doing and plenty of others in that field is that it becomes about the, you know, the resilience. Like, I'm just screw it. I'm just not going to give up, you know. And it's like, that's why I think it's so important what, what you're doing in all this, you know. Any comments on that before I asked the next question since I rambled there for two minutes? No, you're all good, man. Well, thank you for the compliment. And I think the solution is to build community, you know, and for that community that you connect with to support you as either not supporting the independent journal.

like yourself are supporting the musician, artist, myself, that's the only way that we kind of keep the thing going and get the return on it. And that's for a musician, it's buying physical media, you know, for I think for supporting independent journalists like yourself, it's like making a donation through all the various ways they can do that through your website. So, yeah, getting back to buying physical media,

or even just buying digital downloads, just stop streaming. If you really like an artist, especially a more independent artist, and maybe somebody that is a little more controversial or somebody that is going to face some kind of suppression or censorship, go out of your way to support them. Donate to them. Most of those people have some kind of gives them go or buy me a coffee or PayPal that you can just give artist contributions to. They also, you know, like ourselves, we sell CDs through our website, FaithlessTown.com, merch, buy t-shirts. Like one sell of a t-shirt is worth 3,000 streams on Spotify. You know, these people that own these streaming platforms, they have figured out the way to completely exploit the artist

and convince people that music should be free and easily accessible to them at all times without adequately compensating the artist. So I think that's the way to do it, you know, and go out to shows. Like get out of your house, go out, see a concert, see the band, buy some merch, tip them. Get back to like real life, real physical things. Get out of like the internet of things, you know, that they want to push us to you. It's such a hard thing to sell people on the, you know, it's such obvious logic. I mean, even people that would then retort with how

convenient it is or why they need it for their job, likely still have some inkling of the same feeling. Like it's actually shocking to me how prevalent that idea is, that the, everything. I mean, you know, touch on some of these things as like RFK Jr. discussing the idea of wearables, which is happening right now and all through Twitter. You know, it's like, I feel like everybody's pushing back on this stuff and yet it continues, you know, and it just, it shows you that we are being kind of trapped in this, this, you know, convenience security kind of dynamic. You know, what was this?

The quote that if those who would give up a little, give up liberty for a little security to deserve neither, you know, it's like, that's the kind of where we are right now. And so that is such a confining thing. And so how do we get past that, though? Because people now have been driven into iPods and iPhones and, you know, iPod, like it even exists anymore, but anything like that, you know, where then they have to use this. You know, so they go buy a CD player or a CD or something like that. They have nothing to play it on anymore.

You know, it's like, what would your advice for this point, this comment, this part of this conversation for those that want to go in that direction? You know, are there any groups out there they could follow or websites they could look to? Like, what would be your advice for those people? I think, you know, just buy a good turntable. There you go. And start investing in vinyl or, you know, even buy a CD play. there, you can still buy and they still make them, and start building a collection because the thing, too, of having everything in the cloud or everything on some subscription service that can be terminated.

It's always, you're basically giving your control over to some outside entity that at any point can just cut off your access to it. Right. Right. So it's like at any point, you can, if you have so many things down, you know, on your Amazon to your Kindle, I think that's how it works. I don't know. I still read like physical tactile books. But at one point, they could just cut off your library, right? So you lost all your hundreds of books. Now, if you have hundreds of books that you can read at any time, you can take with you no matter where you are, if you're out in the woods camping or you're in your living room, they can't do that. And the same thing with your music collection.

Don't let it all just, don't surrender your control and your power to somebody else, especially some douchebag that, like, the guy that owns the CEO of Spotify, that Swedish dude that looks like a troll, like a legitimate troll. Who was censored both of us, as I, I'm correct, right? You were censored on there as well, right? I wasn't, I haven't been censored on. Oh, I thought you were. On Spotify. Did I say Spotify?

No, I'm just remembering. I thought that was, you know, but not on Spotify is one of the culprits. I was censored there. A lot of people were. So to make the point, they're definitely censor happy on that platform. Yeah, I've seen even, I think, like, people, even like leftists, you know, like there's this songwriter that I followed for a while, David Rovix who, you know, is very vocal again, you know, in, in support of Palestine. And they've censored his work.

Yep. That's the new COVID-focused censorship dynamic right now. You know, it's like it always just kind of fluctuates on what you're not supposed to talk about. Yeah. Well, I want to actually touch on a bunch of those things. Before we get there, I wanted to ask you about a general thing about the industry, right? So because you've gone through this from a point where, like you're saying, like, I mean, in a general sense, you didn't start with this.

focus or this focus about, you know, informing people about something like unpopular truths. And over the time you got into that and it has affected your career in a large way, right? You know, I think I have always admired songwriters like Bun Lennon and Bob Dylan and people that were tackling social issues and political issues. So, you know, I think through my whole life, I've kind of written those types of songs. But, you know, it became, it was never really an issue. And I think a lot of times I was probably on the side of what the, I guess, the left would have been on the side of, right? Whether that was like being anti-war, which the left was for a long time until the last few years, you know, before Ukraine, the left usually was the side of the anti-war.

They were against the war in Iraq, against the war in Afghanistan. Or they said as much. Yeah. You know, and I guess I was aligned with those things and it was fine. But, um, you know now during COVID we really saw like the peak division and we saw like peak censorship and they made it so they pitted people against each other where not only like like you were saying earlier like you're a bad person if you hold this view if you question the official narrative coming out of the CDC and the NIH and the government then you are a bad person and you're a grandma killer you're evil um you would people like nomchomsky saying with the unvaccinated should just be like separated and put in camps we'll figure out a way to get food to them wild you know so i think it just

it was just a sign of how polarized things became uh got that the things I was saying were all of a sudden like so controversial I don't really think anything that I've ever like stood for ever like my position really hasn't changed it's just the world around me has changed like I I've never trusted the government. I've never supported war. I would never support like the forcefully like vaccinating people against their will, cutting people out of society because of their medical choices. You know, intruding upon women's only spaces and women's sports. Like all these things, my position is stayed the same. It's just like this agenda that they've been pushing to us through mainstream culture has changed. And now I'm at odds with it. A lot of my positions are at odds with it. And this is what I was kind of getting at. So it's interesting. So you have generally been saying and pushing back, you know, and at some point, how they dealt with that change.

And I do agree. Like it just became over the top. And it's always been there. As a lot of us noticed on YouTube. And there was a time when people thought you were a lunatic for claiming YouTube censored you. And now we all accepted that always been going on. But so that point, that timeframe after COVID, things got a little more intense.

So I want your thought on this in your experience to what degree before that. And it's your opinion. Do you think that the music, industry, you know, will kind of like choose not to sing what's in their heart for what they think will be more marketable. And then do you think that changed any noticeable way after COVID one way or the other? I think, yeah, I think since like the early 2000s, everything's just become so like corporate and controlled. And I think getting back to how streaming has really decimated the revenue for artists and kind of redefined and reimagined what the music industry

is. I think it was the labels and they saw like, we can't really take risks like we used to. Like in the 90s, a label would sign like 100 bands in a year or more. And if one or two of those bands became a success, then it was, it all worked out. You know, if they had one Nirvana, it made every other little band that they signed, you know, every super chunk or every magnapop or every other little band, you know, that was like kind of doing their thing and had some tour support and they were putting out records and they were still getting to go to a studio, but they weren't like the success of Nirvana or Allison Chains or Soundgarden. It still made it worthwhile and profitable for the labels because people were buying music. So I think at some point when...

Interesting. Napster happened and the streaming model took over and really piracy. Before the streaming model where people were just pirating music and you know uh i think the labels were like we can't take risks on on this anymore we can't just like give money to artists we need to have something that we completely can control that's formulaic that's packaged that's branded that is this whole like kind of PR creation artificial we start yeah and then we start seeing the all the boy bands and the yeah that's right christina aguileras and then that became the taylor swifts and then it became the Katie Perry's and then it became all this garbage that we have now, whether it's the bro country or it's the horrible pop music or it's even the things that they're trying to push to us as

like this is the blue-collar counterculture message that know of people that we've never heard of, you know, that all of it, even fake truthers, I swear, like this one girl that was getting promoted by everybody like six months ago that literally was a doctor pushing all the COVID stuff. And now she's like calling out the, the, the, gamemic and considering yourself a truther and they're playing her on Info Wars. It's like everything. It's all fake. Right.

I'm of the mind that most people are seeing this. That's my personal opinion. You know, whether they choose to speak out or they still side with their certain side, I just think it's becoming shockingly obvious. And that's, there's this whole kind of fake element to it. And that's the mainstream alternative media to all of this,

you know, where like it's like it's, it's in everything and I think in every facet of our lives where you've got like this second. secondary shelf of like, you know, it's like there's the reality and then there's like this fake half version of everything, you know, and I think that's like the media, that's the musicians, that's the media, and that, you know, they need us to fall into that. They kind of lose ourselves in this so we don't really see.

It's kind of abstract way to frame it, but I really do feel like that makes sense that we get trapped in this kind of like middle ground where they're giving you some truth, right? The best lies out there are wrapped in truth. That's usually how it works. So let's talk about like the two-party illusion element of this because I really have, I really respect you and a lot of, for this. more than most, but in a lot of ways. But because, you know, in our conversations and just what I see in your music and what

you say online, you know, it's very clear that you're not afraid to call out the duopoly, the lie on both sides of this, you know? And I think that's a really difficult thing for most people, even if they believe it, and then some that just don't care to look at it. But so has that always been something you've noticed? I really just am I wrong in that? Let me know your opinion on the two-party illusion and then where you notice that along along the path.

Yeah, for quite some time. I've seen that the, I believe that the American electoral system, our democracy, quote unquote, is completely rigged. It is just an illusion of choice. I don't know if it was, you know, probably some of the first elections I was even old enough to vote in. Or, you know, maybe like Bush versus Kerry, you know, just seeing like how rigged everything was. Like, do you have two guys both from, part of some secret society, right? skull and bones and they just

really behind the media illusion of that they're so different they really have the same values they represent the same class of people in our society they have the same interests so I felt like that for a long time

you know I really think the last president that wasn't completely controlled and co-opted was JFK and I think that's why they blew his brains out in broad daylight in front of everyone with the cameras rolling to let you know like they let you know they own these people now people want to continue to believe that there's some hero that they can that's going to save them like some a trump or obama and all you have to do is uh cast your your

your ballot every four years and everything's going to be fine that it's it's a really nice convenient thing right because people have lives and people have work and life's hard enough like what are you going to like is everybody just going to go start a revolution um are they going to devote themselves to community activism are they going to when they can just believe the lie and cast their ballot and it takes all that that burden of responsibility off of them and that's what they're counting on that's what the ruling class counts on and that's why they push this illusion to us but now it's it's never been so divisive you know in the 80s it was like we're all in this together we're again against the Russians and against the commies.

But now we're at a point where it's like, they've pitted Americans against each other, pitted Britons against each other. Everyone in the West is like, sees their neighbor as a potential enemy. And it's so diabolical. And it doesn't matter. It really doesn't matter if you, in my opinion,

if you vote for Trump, you vote for Harris, I don't think they count your votes. I think it's peak naivete to believe that the people that would orchestrate 9-11 that would murder a sitting president in broad daylight that would, you know, carry out something like the Oklahoma City bombing and murder children that would carry out Waco and burn women and children alive, that would drop napalm and Agent Orange on civilian populations in Vietnam. That same type of person and mentality, you think they were going to let you change anything

by casting a ballot. That's peak naivete. I love that now. It's the same argument I make about, well, other discussions, not to pull the mind away from what we're talking about, but it's so obvious to me that the very people that are in power and all the rhetoric they have and then turn around and just suggest that people they otherwise call terrorists and then they'll allow them to vote about

something. Or, you know, it's certainly possible, but there's so, I mean, we should question it is the point we're making. And I would even argue, and let me know if you agree with this, that clearly I think we both have hope for that possibility, right? Not say that we're just going to disregard that, you know, obviously we want that, we hope for that, but we're not naive enough to think, just make ourselves believe that that's what's happening, especially when all the evidence clearly shows us otherwise,

you know? And it's such a hard pill for some people to swallow because their whole identity left and right has been wrapped up in this simple idea that they just, because they choose that somehow everything that then happens over four years is completely their decision. Like the whole like mandate thing right now is whatever the current point is, that was what you all voted for. It's like, these are any things that were discussed in the election process. You know, it's just, it's, it's really frustrating. But, you know, what to right now in like the music industry that just popped into my head. Is there, is there a slant that you feel in, in the, in, at least in your circles that goes one way or the other or aware of it all? Oh, I just, in terms of like people being awake to like that illusion or

no, more so like a political leaning left and right or or maybe those that see through it. I'd love to believe that's the majority, but I don't think that's what it would be. Yeah, I think it's pretty. I mean, definitely the mainstream music industry is still leans very hard. towards the modern left view of things. You know, I mean, there's like drag queens performing at like the CMAs and, you know, the Chappelle Rowans on the mainstream of like, you know, everything is the kind of, uh, that leftist agenda, those social and, you know, gender ideology and all those things. That's, that's what we're seeing.

And I think, you know, that also, we're seeing that in film, too, like every film, every TV show now has to be, you have to be inundated with this kind of agenda at some point, it preaches to you. You know, you can't just go see a Batman movie. Like somewhere in the middle, like Catwoman has to have a monologue about how Bruce Wayne is a privileged white brat who's like, you know, the air to, you know, the, all the white oppressors of the world. Like, what? Like, I thought Batman was like trying to save people. No, you got to get preached to. Um, And really quickly, whether or not it's even a valid point or not is relevant because it's about them trying to insert some unnecessary political point that's that like jars you

out of the movie, you know, or like making somebody a, you know, a lesbian, trans, partner that has no relevant to the storyline, you know, it's just like it's so frustrating because it ruins the movie. Yeah, literally, they'll even take things that are like they established characters, build story arcs for them. And then in the fourth or fifth season, they completely changed. It's like, no, no, this guy actually isn't in love with that girl. he's gay and he loves this dude and everything you believed was just a lie to somehow because we decided that the agenda and the message is more important.

So yeah, getting back to that, I think, you know, the mainstream music industry is pushing all those same things. Just the same way that all the mainstream, you know, news networks and all the other media is. And I think if you look behind the scenes a little bit, you pull back the curtain, you probably, there's ESG involved. You know, like it's, there's a reason why like Star Wars ratings and, you know, all rate, you know, people aren't buying even some of these music acts. I'm, I'm sure they're probably being promoted up with like fake, you know, Spotify streams and stuff like that. People aren't necessarily buying it, but it's like they're pushing in anyway, like you were saying, you know, a lot of people see through it. They don't want it, but they're, the agenda is still moving forward. And, you know, it's like kind of we're not in this like consumer based economy anymore with a lot of these things.

It's like it doesn't matter if people necessarily buy it or get tickets to go see that movie. They're still going to keep pushing out, you know, trans lesbian Star Wars or whatever it is because they're probably getting more money through the ESG funding through Black Rock or, you know, whatever, then they're going to get from people consumers buying a ticket to go see the movie at the box office. Totally agree. But doesn't that in and of itself show you that it's not even actually about the principle? Like it's not like I think one of the, one of the, I know. there are people that get wrapped up in like the identity of these. There are people on left and

right that really believe the nonsense that's out there. But doesn't that show you or indicate that some of them are just doing it because it benefits them? You know, and that like my get my I often wonder and that how much of this is you know, like I make the point about USAID and and the woke stuff this push. I'm of the very clear mind. I think the evidence proves it that it's not about the fact that they really cared about pushing pronouns in Zimbabwe. It's about that they wanted that to get the foot in the door for regime change. And there were people in, wrapped up in it that probably thought they were doing the right thing. But I think that's what it comes down to. It's an agenda. In the same point they make is that you can prove that the current

Jump Administration is actually still funding circumcision in South Africa and Mali in different places. And that's still happening. I can look it up on USAID and no one talks about it. You know, it's for me, it's because those narratives still work in those places. You know, so it's about the long-term agenda. And so I wonder if, you know, these, let's put it in the question, do you think it's possible with what you've seen, how kind of fair weather a lot of these people are, that suddenly, if it became in their interest to push right leaning things, that suddenly that would overtake these industries? Or do you think they're just so ideologically captured that they push back to their detriment? Interesting thought.

Oh, yeah. I mean, like people that run like labels and like these big, like, yeah, you know, artist management companies and things like that are entertainment managers. Oh, yeah. They would in film studio heads, whatever they were told to push, whatever the money is telling to push that they would push it. That's why like none of this seems organic, you know. It's like it's not organic that Lockheed Martin,

who's made weapons of mass destruction since their inception, probably has the blood of, you know, millions and millions of civilians on their hands. Including Americans. Yeah, including Americans that they sponsor floats in the pride parades. Like it's nothing about that is organic. It's like wild, bro. It's so wild.

And it's just, it's sad that people can't see through it, that all of a sudden they think that like it's just completely swapped. Because it used to be, you know, the more Christian values and the more conservative values were the predominant culture in our society. And in a lot of ways, I think that that benefited the ruling class. And then at some point they realized we're headed towards this cataclysmic kind of monumental change in all of society with our economy, with modern technology, with AI, with automation. And the old ways aren't going to work anymore.

And that's why the great reset and these things that they discuss and the internet of bodies and the wearables and trackables and creating this whole kind of like technocratic future, I think they've decided they got to get rid of all those things that kind of held us together in this kind of moral fabric, whether it was right or wrong. And they have to, we're like in this color revolution period where they have to make everything like to make people question reality. I mean, we're like literally having arguments about what. What is a woman and what is a man? And can women like have a locker room without a man with a penis coming into it and sharing the locker room? Like insanity. Like I have a friend in the UK, Luis Distress, who's going to court tomorrow, possibly

facing five years in prison over speech because she spoke at a women's rights rally in the UK. Like what? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's where we're at. So yeah, I do think these people. people would just, they push whatever they were paid to push. And yes, there are some true believers

within those ranks. But the people at the very top, I think it's just about what's incentivizing it. And we also saw that with COVID. You know, a lot of that was done through incentivizing the local governments, the companies, you know, you want to get these loans. Make sure you push all the COVID mandates, push all those protocols. It's, you just kind of follow the money and you kind of see who is, how it's being pushed. Yeah. Well, two thoughts. my mind on that. First, I'm much more of the mind these days that I think more and more people are actually seeing through it. You know, and I think it's been happening for a while, but, you know, like we're painting there, I think has always been the ploy and it's worked for a long time,

but I'm of the mind that today more and more people are actually seeing through a lot of what we're talking about. And that's why it's getting more intense at the same time talking about, you know, Israel's playing a very real factor in all this, my opinion. And very clearly when you're talking about dividing and, you know, it seems like this is at the, to the interest of something other than U.S. interest. And so it's worth considering that. And on the points of that and the two-party illusion, and we'll talk about this. This was a clip of Massey, which is generally just the point of Massey.

We can discuss how I think Kim and Trump and Iran and Israel, we're seeing like a massive fracture through what appeared to be one of the most like lockstep, you know, the MAGA movement or the MAHA or, you know, conservatives in Trump. And so he's just simply, it's the post here says APAC is transitioning to do confrontational lobbying group where if you don't basically talk about APAC, I just want to use this to trigger my thought about Massey. So what are your thoughts on how that's all affecting everything?

The idea of APEC and funding and Israel and what just happened with Iran and like Tucker and Candice kind of like fracturing away from that. You know, it's just a broad conversation. Like what do you have any thoughts on where that's going? And if maybe we are finally breaking away from this two-party illusion in a real sense? You know, I think there's probably there's people in the political system. And Thomas Massey might be one of them that isn't completely controlled. You know, there's people like I think people get into that because they want to create real change. and they because they have core values and beliefs and they want to do good.

And so he might genuinely be one of those people. He seems like it, but who knows? Hope so. And yeah, I mean, I think that people, a lot of people are seeing through the two-party illusion. There's still a lot of people stuck in the fights of that, the culture war of that. I'd like to be optimistic and I'd like to think that people will kind of, to get back to real life and and see the things that we more of what we have in common instead of what we have you know creating this division between us but yeah I'm just not really sure you know

in the greater sense like with Israel and global politics I kind of feel like in a lot of ways there's already like the one world government is already here you know I agree we saw that with COVID all these countries fell in lockstep with with this insane protocol, this insane reaction to what was, we were told, a respiratory virus. It had never been done before. And the fact that every country followed suit, it followed China's lead is insane to me. And you could look back and find like the White Pager reports from the Rockefeller Foundation of talking about, you know, scenarios for the future and the lockstep plan. And it's like literally like a blueprint for it. But like they all did it. And the fact that they all did. And there was really kind

in nowhere you could escape in the Western world, at least. It showed to me, like, with just a few outliers, there already is this kind of global government. You know, our national sovereignty, I think, in a lot of ways, is an illusion. I mean, we do, I am very fortunate that we're in America. We still have freedom of speech here. Like I was talking about, my friend is facing criminal charges for speech in the UK. We have the First Amendment still, you know, and we have to keep fighting

and keeping those rights alive. So, but in a lot of ways, I do think that the global governance, at least the kind of the foundation of it has already been erected and is here. Yeah. I completely agree, actually. I see it as, and there's always nuance and there's always different aspects of this, but as a kind of a Zionist, technocrat, globalist kind of blob, you know, and I think it's not all just the same, you know, it's interwoven, but it's become kind of the same ultimate

outcome. That's how I'm seeing a lot of this, you know, and we can see the, you know, and we can see the, And on a side note, we mentioned things like InfoWars, the people in the past that have, you know, at least feigned to call out globalism and the North American Union and all these different things. And now suddenly I've never in my lifetime seen a more obvious example of them start to come to pass. And it's like can't point in other direction past enough. I think that's worth our time to consider why that would be happening. You know, like the North American Union with Greenland and Mexico and Canada. And it's just, it's exactly what we've been told for such a long time, you know.

And so I see that all it's kind of one thing or at the very least. that they all see an interest in lining for those things. Like you mentioned with Lockstep, that I don't think for one second that China and Russia were like, we're completely in line with exactly what everybody else wants, but they all are when it comes to controlling our lives. And that's what people are always trying to point out, I think, is that from, you know,

these governments will work together, even as adversaries, if it gives them one up on controlling the peoples of their countries. That's how I see all governments, you know? And so they were like, yeah, we'll go in lockstep insofar as we can use all the tools you're building, but we're not going to just give in to our sovereign for you versus this one agenda.

I mean, that's how I kind of see it. So I very much agree with you on that. And I think the issue right now is that Israel is playing this oversized role in a lot of things. And that's kind of one of these friction factors of what people are seeing, you know, that they're letting them drive this outcome, the Greater Israel Project, the occupying different countries, you know, and genocide and killing people. And it's causing people to be very uncomfortable.

And that's fracturing, fracturing this down the middle, which is where I think technocracy comes into play. So what do you think about that overlap and like where, you know, technocracy and the overlap of Zionism? You know, I don't really. I do think that like the same way that we're, I feel like we're in the throes of this color revolution culturally here in the Western world. I think on the global political side, there needs to be all this kind of insane strife. Because I think, you know, the, what they're trying to do is they're trying to destroy all the old ways and kind of erect this new, this great reset, this new global order under, you know, this just technocratic kind of system where people are living on getting UBI and people are just kind of, so many jobs are going to disappear just in the next few years. They already are. So how there's going to be just mass civil unrest.

but so they're kind of it's like a control demolition of the old system but that's kind of my point is that what i'm thinking is this from israel's perspective and and this is actually a very clear zionist mindset even like people like hecabi and haggsath in our they consider themselves biblical zionis and they're in the current administration where they actually have a mindset and nettingahu ben govier smotech leadership in israel they promote these are public discussions that they that the west needs to essentially collapse for the end times to come on. And so my point, you wonder if whether you believe out that that out there or not, that they do, and that might drive them to take the kind of actions we're seeing through weaponized

immigration, through, you know, the left-right divide and like what's happening. That's kind of our going with it as a general sentiment about whether these, you know, globalist kind of technocratic agendas are kind of leading to the demise of this country. And whether our leaders might be aware of that or not be smarter to see it. It's a broad thought. But I just think that we're seeing a lot of chaos right now in this country. Yeah. And I think that's, it's, it's. It's all intentional. You know, I think we are seeing like a controlled demolition of the West and of Western values for a reason.

So that these, you know, the technocrats and the, the parasite class can create this new system that they think is going to be the one that's beneficial to them. Because the technological train is not stopping. It's just advancing at such an incredible rate. You know, I think the abilities that AI has, we've just seen the tip of the iceberg of what they've shown us. But with automation and I mean, there's there's a lot of job sectors just completely destroyed and eliminated. And so there's a whole new economy that they're kind of creating, you know, at a new order of things. But yeah, I just, you know, there's a lot of,

I don't really think that it's like Israel controlling America. I think these people have had like, I think Israel in a lot of ways was, you know, was funded by Americans, the American government as to have an ally in that region. I mean, it's the number one recipient of our foreign aid for a reason. It's so we could have this sympathetic ally to our military and strategic and, you know, interests. And that's why they, but so I don't think it's necessarily Israel, you know, controlling America. think in a lot of ways it was started, you know, and what in the 50s or 60s, the 40s, 50s, but by a lot of people, big players in the American government to fund that and make that happen.

But I, you know, I don't think there's a lot of like anti-Jewish sentiment out there and there's a lot of and I just want to, and I just think that that's also another sci-up where they, it's another form of division is is kind of othering people saying these people are the cause of it. Zionism is what I'm talking about. Just to clarify that for those that might be new to the show for, you know, you watch and you know, the point being that, you know, what I, and actually what you're saying is whether that there's plenty of people that feel that the reverse of that, you know, that maybe the U.S. is like dictating what Israel does.

And that's just as possible, people consider the different opinions. But what I find interesting is whether or not who's controlling one of the other, that whether or not there are radical elements in any government. that might try to undermine or destroy another government. We all know that's possible. So that's more of what I'm getting at, but to your point of the Zionist point, let's clarify very clearly that as always,

what I'm discussing is the Zionist ideology. And whether you agree with me or not, there are a lot of, you out there listening, not, yes, or you hear, but the Zionist, there's a lot of Orthodox Jewish communities in the world that were in Israel, in fact,

you get beat up by the idea of every day, who are out there chanting. Zionism does not represent Jews, you know, and so it's a multifaceted conversation. I hope everybody will take the time to research it, But the point is about political manipulation, not Jews or Christians or Muslims, but how they manipulate all of those things. Just to make that's clear for those that, you know, you're kind of pointing to you right there.

And that's important. Very important to know that because it is one of the largest manipulations to convince people that it's all Jewish people out there doing everything, which is not true. Yeah, I think anything when you have a system where you are a fundamentalist belief system that tells you, your, are, your destiny is to have this land or have. this right over other people. And I think there's all that's always a recipe for for horrible things. You know, we saw it in the beginning of America with manifest destiny where it was this concept of we need to just kind of move westward. It's our destiny to take over this land from the people that had already lived here. And that caused incredible bloodshed and suffering and genocide here in America. So I just think when you have this concept of like, we are owed this by God and anything that stands in our way must be taken out by any means necessary.

It's just dangerous. Yeah, it's really dangerous. And that's how we see these horrible atrocities being carried out. And that's what these radical fundamentalist beliefs they propagate. Yeah. And that shouldn't be a contentious thing to point out. I mean, it's self-evident today. You know, and that's not about one group or one group.

anybody in any religion with any skin color that does something like that. You know, it's, it's so exhausting that we have to do that. But today, that's part of the, you know, the propaganda, the manipulations to get people to ignore the obvious because it might be, you know, you might secretly be a racist or, you know, whatever the, it's, it's, it's infuriating. But, you know, it's so important that we start to call these things out, like we said in the beginning, you know, that we cross the lines, that we just engage with what our, you know, our principles, our integrity, what we believe is true, you know, it's just so very important. Well, let's, let's end with a lot, the part we kind of touched on to begin with, which is the old

technocratic side of this. We kind of overlap that with the last part. But we mentioned this talking about the wearable thing. This is kind of one of these things going around yesterday today, where RFG Jr., I mean, not even get into the other 75 things you can point out that seemed to be like not just challenging the diametric opposite of what was promised, whether a Stargate MRI platform or CRISPR pig meat or just MR injections. But so the idea here is is wearables. You know, and I mean, I'll just point out the beginning, this is, I mean, if this was Fauci, saying this exactly the same way under Biden's administration, they would be marching through the streets. And rightly so, we should be concerned about this either way. But that's the

first point to make is that stark hypocrisy about not caring about it now from the right. But what are your thoughts on the wearables? And do you find that to be a concern and where, you know, where this can go in the future? Oh, yeah, I think we should definitely be concerned. I think that is the great reset stuff. These are the things like Klaus Schwab and Yvall, and Yuval Noah Harari, we're talking about, you know, the internet of bodies. Everybody wears a wearable thing that can be tracked and traced and all our biometrics are being sent to the authorities at all times and and that's how we can keep each other keep society safe yeah it's terrifying i mean it's it's something out of uh you know like a philip k dick you know uh dystopian future

yeah we should push back at on it at every turn regardless of who it's coming from and i think it's a there's a reason that's coming from rfk junior this guy that has been such a you know kind of a voice for vaccine safety a prominent voice against a lot of the COVID nonsense over the last five years I'm you know my belief I can't prove it but I think they got to this guy you know or maybe he was always controlled on some level but he seemed genuine and I just feel like I feel like they control him I mean literally they killed his father I in my opinion you know these same kind of factions maybe not the same act these same people were live, but the same kind of mentality of people that run things behind the show, I believe,

behind the curtain. They're the people that killed Robert Kennedy. They're the people that killed his uncle, JFK. So I think they don't have to really, you know, prove their point to him of what they're capable of doing. So I think he's controlled. And I think people, you know, people have to stop outsourcing their, their sovereignty, their control or their power to end to a political figure. Don't give it to RFK. Don't give it to Trump. Don't give it to Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsom. You got to just, you find that within yourself. We're going to create real change by ourselves and with our community and with real people in real life, not through somebody on a screen or somebody that we're casting a vote for. Right. This call to personality and all the identity.

We just got to get away from all that. Yeah. Woke left, right. Same thing. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, I definitely think that's the problem is. that people want to believe, and I get it, and we all get it. We all want somebody to be the one that's going to change everything. But I would argue that the person that would actually embody that would tell you never to do that. You know, like the ideas, you net, even the person that is that, you should, couldn't they still be fooled? And they still make a mistake?

Yeah, obviously, you know, so we should not be blindly leaning into any person, all these, you know, partisans out there going, I have full faith and trust and don't trust. It's like, that's an embarrassing thing to say right now in any context, left or right. You know, that's not how that works. We're supposed to be holding their feet to the fire, especially when they're who you believe they are. You know, it's frustrating. But this goes in a very dangerous direction with all this, the wearables.

We've all been calling this out for so long, you know, and I don't know if you saw this, Detachment 201, which I just called technocracy and uniform, but literally open AI, meta and Palantir. They've got people, their CTOs becoming actual lieutenant colonels in the military. That just happened. I mean, that's insane. I mean, that's real power. You know, I mean, it's like, I mean, they obviously already have real power, but this is a military level. I mean, this is technocracy.

You know, this is where all this goes. And I'll, I'm going to end with a clip about the overwrapping, you know, kind of wearable direction coming back to COVID-19 time. And I'll point out that Mary Talley Bowden, MD, says our next surgeon general, Casey means as a wearables company. What do you know? So, you know, you know, just give me your thoughts on this before we wrap in general. And if you haven't, you know, seen that 201 thing, like where you see all this is going. It's we've been calling it out. We've been calling it out.

Everyone's been calling it out. And here we are, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think they would, that's, it just gets back to what we've been saying. And they want to create this, uh, this dystopian, uh, this dystopian panopticon of, of, of control the system of constant surveillance. We're already halfway there with our, all of our phones or just these spying devices that we

right on ourselves all the time. And then we're encouraged to have this whole online identity and persona and persona. and life where we share all of our intimate moments and try to engage with people on there for connection, but all that is analyzed and viewed and probably, you know, all that data is collected. And there's probably some AI thing that just has like, you know, files on each and every one of us, especially those of us that deems problematic. Look up digital twins out there, guys. It's happening right now, like legitimately mapping out what you may do tomorrow using every data point you've ever put on the internet on some like sim city version and the dod that's real

stuff that's wild i haven't heard yeah no the bottom line is and this it's to what degree is the real question but that there are models that anybody can do i mean if you can do on scraping twitter if you want to do but the idea being that if you have access to it and think of what doge and palenteer just did with all the databases that they essentially can input that data into an AI kind of algorithmic thing and basically output, you know, like a SimCity version of you. So there's an O-N walking around, you know what I mean? Or a G-O-G-Walking around. And basically doing what the computer thinks you would be doing.

And then every moment, what we said just now, what you posted on Twitter today, then gets added to it and updates. And, you know, the point being, the argument is, and I've seen studies on this, that they can predict what you may do next year or Tuesday at 3 p.m. You're like, whatever it is, to like a, whatever, a high percentage. And the more of the data gets put in. And then this is before what Pallon. through just did. You know, that's scooping up of everything we've ever known. And so that's,

that's, and the question is, what is that being used for? You know, is this the real time, like pre-crime thing? Whitney and I've talked about, you know, it's just, that's a scary thing, but it's very real. And they sell it just on convenience. They can even like market that, right? Like, isn't it? Would it be enticing for so many people to be like, well, I don't have to worry about doing my social media. I can just have my digital twin do it. Yes. That's a whole different angle. You know, like that's like, Elon and the rest of them starting to use these bots that are like their AI version that are out there. are doing things for them. It's like, there's so many angles to this that it, this kind of,

honestly, this stuff keeps me up in that. This is the stuff that terrifies it. Maybe it'll come all full circles. So we can all just stop doing any of this stuff. We just have digital twins that just do it that are all AIs. And we just go back to like living real life. Like we're like planning crops and having picnics and like having music festivals and you know, that's a nice way to look at it. Wally, the movie Wally, have you seen that? That's the joke you make about everyone in the chairs, the big fat Americans all like driving around. It's like that's where they would want you to go with But yeah, if we could go like Derek's vision, you know, like exit and build while, you know, but even still, I know you're perhaps being half joking, but it's like the idea of being allowed to do that. But then how do they hack into your diddle twin and make you say whatever they want you to say?

But, you know, any way that gets us back to some level of not, you know, being consumed by all of this, that would be nice. But yeah, it's a terrifying. I think that's what it is. Everybody needs a step away from the screens, you know, every day, take some time, get away from it. Take a day. you can and just connect with people in the real world i mean i i encounter people every day here in nashville that i know we're so opposite and we're completely on different sides of of issues that but we get to we get along you know like i i know trans people i know people that call

themselves non-binary and a lot of their way of life i don't agree with um but we we get along we you know when people are polite in regular society it's on the all this division is being pushed through like social media and Reddit, you know, and things like that where this constant division, constant like partisanship, turning people against each other, people in real life find it really hard to like cancel and be horrible and vile to you when they can actually see the effect of that. You know, people, it will affect people's empathy. But living this life through screens and on this digital medium, it's a roeer.

voting our empathy. That's what allows like, you know, the social engineers to pit us against each other. We need to get back into the real world, really connecting with people regardless of our differences. And in that, I think, is where we can find optimism and hope for the future. And yeah, I do. You know, I follow some of Derek's work. And I think Derek Brose's work and the exit and build. I think that is a great way to, you know, to create, not be dependent upon these things and not look for any savior and a politician or an elected official. Just we're going to create the future that we want by ourselves. And it all starts right now with the community that you can foster and create around you.

Absolutely. And as you said before, it really comes down to, you know, you could have to agree with people's choices. You know, you can vehemently disagree, but you can respect that it's their choice. You know, that's really what it comes down to. And this idea that we've turned it into, you know, that your choice, like, offends me, You know, or like you're, it's just, that's again, that's like the woke element from both sides of the paradigm. It's really about, you know, being able to converse about it. Maybe you guys can talk about it later, you know, but allowing it to be their choice,

I respect that even if I disagree. It's a wild that we ever got away from that, man, but really enjoy the conversation today. We should do this again. Before I play the quick clip about the wearables, then we end with your music video. Anything else you want to leave us with, you know, upcoming events, upcoming shows. Anything you want to leave before we leave today? Yeah. If you're in Georgia, we're taking part in our favorite annual benefit concert called 500

songs for kids that takes place this Friday in East Atlanta, it's called the Earl. So come out and support that. We're going to be doing one of my favorite songs, Love Will Tears Apart by Joy Division. And then on the 4th of July, be back in Nashville playing at the Underdog with our friends, The Absurd and some other great bands. So if you don't have plans for the 4th, come party with us. It should be really fun. And yeah, just follow my work on faithlesstown.com and at Faithless Town on all the social media

platforms, all that stuff. Outstanding, brother. Yeah, we'll include these in the show notes down below for everyone to check out. Make sure you follow them. Make sure you support their work. They're really doing amazing work, very talented. And as we shown today, they, you know, maintain principles, which is wild today in the world that we're in.

So thank you for being here today, brother. And as always, everybody out there, question everything. Come to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant. Today, at the end of that, we'll talk about what we can't. It's when that? Certainly, in the 10 years to come.

And, first, we will implant in our our vettments, as we're able to, as we're able, as, as we can't imagine when we're implanted in our our cello or in our topos,

and at the end, there's a communication direct between our brain and the world digital. What we see is a sort of fusion of a world physical, digital and biologic. We think that wearables are a key to the Maha agenda of making America healthy again,

and we are going to... My vision is that every American is wearing a wearable within four years. They control the rock as in Tucky Witchie He said kick they want you to train their control