The Last American Vagabond - Grant Ellman Interview – Revolution Through Music

Episode Date: May 21, 2025

Joining me today is the very talented musician, Grant "Prezence" Ellman, here to discuss a very important part of what is often referred to as the "truth community" (of which Grant is very much a part) and that is the incredible impact that music can have, especially when used to present difficult, unpopular, or highly disputed truth. Musicians, as well as comedians, have a way of reaching people while their guard is down, and allowing them to consider if not process something they might have otherwise rejected. This can, and often is, abused by those in power, but there are those like Grant who are working tirelessly to break through with their message of truth, hope, and resilience by using their incredible talents, and often giving it away for free. Grant and I discuss his work, how he got into music, and why he is so passionate about helping people see beyond the propaganda. We also discuss many of his personal views on current events and perspectives on the future.Source Links:(20) Derrick Broze on X: "Prezence, 33 | TAXATION IS THEFT | Official Music & Lyric Video Brand new song from Prezence featuring 33! CREDITS: PRODUCTION, VOCALS, MIX, MASTER, FILM & EDIT BY GRANT PREZENCE ELLMAN LYRICS BY 33 | DERRICK BROZE https://t.co/zdSyle9pLG" / XPREZENCE MUSIC(17) Prezence Music (@prezencemusic) / XOn this Alfacast: Multi-instrumentalist, vocalist and producer, Grant 'Prezence' Ellman.(1) Prezence | PSYOP | Official Music & Lyric Video - YouTube(1) Prezence | Scam | Official Music Video - YouTubeGrant Ellman | SpotifyBitcoin Donations Are Appreciated:www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/bitcoin-donationThe Last American Vagabond Substack is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.(3FSozj9gQ1UniHvEiRmkPnXzHSVMc68U9f) Get full access to The Last American Vagabond Substack at tlavagabond.substack.com/subscribe

know that taxation theft and that government and slavery a false authority yeah yeah welcome to the last American vagabond that was Grant presence Elman with Derek Brose on a joint collaboration and some other amazing music that we'll hopefully hear more of at the end of the show today joining me today is Grant to discuss his experience with the music industry how he's come to see that overlap with the truth community. I think of before we started that I hate all the terms we use for this, but for lack of a better term, the idea of just getting into, you know, seeking the truth about things and trying to inform others through different forms of media, whether that be stand of comedy, what we do on this platform,

or just trying to find ways to connect with people using music. So thank you, Grant, for coming on the show. It's honored to have you, brother. How are you? Yeah, thanks, Ryan, for having me. It's an honor to be here as well. I really appreciate you having me, so glad to have some conversation. Yeah, I mean, it's something that I am passionate about, but ultimately, you know, it's something like my whole life I've really found, I've had an interest in music. And many different ways I have leaned into it one way or another, but then got distracted by something else in my life. And so I've never really ended up being the music focused. Like for me, it's more of a, it's something I enjoy on the side, you know, but I definitely feel connected to it in a certain way.

And so it's a way I long for that in another life, you know. And so I've always interested. I'm always fascinated by somebody who, you know, dedicates themselves to it like you. and kind of understanding what you think about it and how it affects the world around you, but then the intersection between that and the independent media, which, I mean,

it's something for me that is a really prominent part of this because what I was briefly saying to start, whether it is stand-up comedy, which is one of the ones I see the most, you know, between music and stand-up comedy being the most obvious examples of this, where people tend to not realize

they're absorbing the information. You know, like with comedy, they're laughing at something, but maybe they would hate in other context. And even though they disagree with it, it sticks in their mind. mind. You know, music is the same kind of way where they may not agree with the actual, you know, if you'd come up to them and just point blank said the words to them, they may, they push back

or be angry. But if it's in a way that connects with them and the music feels right, it, it sneaks through, you know, and I think that's such a profound idea that I want to get into today. But let's, let's just start with how you got into music in general and start from kind of before that ever, that overlap even came about or maybe it was there from the beginning. So let's start with that. Yeah. Well, first of all, I just want to say, I mean, I have mad respect for you for putting out music on the side as well. I know. you're so busy with everything you do here. You're putting out these insane daily wrap-ups of like four.

I think they're like four hours sometimes where I mean, I don't even know how one human's brain can process that information. So I just want to show respect for you in that regard. And the fact that you're able to do that and then put music on the side, you know, Derek is the same way, just processing an insane amount of information doing incredible journalism work and then somehow makes time for the music. So I feel like my job is easy to be able to make music my full-time passion.

But anyways, yeah, I mean, I've been a musician since I was a young kid. I started playing music at about the age of five. My parents forced me to take piano lessons all throughout my entire childhood. And for better or for worse, you know, I wasn't really that stoked on it at the time. But they always told me one day you'll thank us. And definitely I'm at the point now where I thank them. Started playing in rock bands when I got a bit older, like 9, 10, taught myself how to play guitar. And then I had a guitar teacher.

I taught myself how to play drums and then started playing bass. and rock bands and one thing led to another. And then I ended up in the educational system, which I am not a fan of. I kind of just got swindled by society and, you know, parents' expectations, thinking that that was what I needed to do in order to make it in this world, spent a lot of my time kind of getting derailed from music. And then when COVID came around, I was listening to Mark Passio. You might be familiar.

I'm sure you're familiar with Passio. You know, people, some people love him. Some people don't love him as much. He's extremely intense. But the one thing he talks about is he's not really, there to awaken everybody. He's trying to awaken other teachers of natural law, teachers of morality and stuff like that. And he said, if you're aware of what's going on and you're not doing something about it actively, then you're part of the problem. In fact, he said to know and

not to act is not to know or care. So he kind of set, and that heaviness really hit me of like, I wasn't really doing anything at the time to share a message of truth. And so that's when I started kind of creating freedom and truth focused music around 2019, 2020. Yeah, that's awesome. And, you know, it's funny how that, that moment, those inflection points, you know, it's, you see the surge of awareness or change in perspectives, whether it's 9-11 or COVID-19. And, you know, it's like, it's like the counterbalance to, you know, I think we, at least I would argue, I'm sure, I think you probably agree that these events are, you know, in some way manipulated or complete operations. And the point is that clearly it's an objective to kind of manipulate, but they always have the opposite effect in some ways. And, you know, people awaken to certain things and see things. And so it's interesting how that always happens. But going back to your. first point. I often think about that around I wish my parents had forced me to take to learn more instruments. And you know, what's funny though is that had they, and I would argue probably are a unique example. I find that most people when forced to do it, they don't love it or respect it the way they would had they had found it on their own, you know? And so it's like I stumbled into the guitar

and ended up kind of learning on my own. And that's why I kind of found this passionate. I wonder if I would have rejected it as, you know, sort of the contrary and I was as a kid, you know, If they just, no, I don't want to learn, could you force it on me? But man, I wish I, I have a violin, but I can't play it. You know, I wish I had learned all these things before. So that's really important. All the parents out there, force them. Get them to play these things.

Yeah. But yeah, the, and on PASIO as well, it's, it's funny that, you know, he is, I recommend his work, absolutely. And what's interesting is that he just has, is much more of a, he goes deeper and some esoteric things that tend to scare people away. You know, and I think that, I recommend that if you're beyond a lot of these, you know, just stepping into the field, look into his work because it's, you know, next steps, if you will.

There's a lot of important stuff there. So I like that what you said, awakening the teachers to, you know, the people that are already aware in a sense. Like I seem to look at some of my work, even though over the years it's gotten much more in depth, as you pointed out, as sort of a bridge between those that are starting to wake up to some things, you know, like the earlier steps into it to maybe gravitating to that in the end. But, you know, the COVID-19 is such an important part of all that.

And so clearly it shook you to change, as you, I think you said, to, do, do, go more into the true focused music. Before that, though, were you already in that mindset? Were you already sort of asking these questions? Or was that a moment that sort of shook you into asking these questions? Yeah, good question. I think my original awakening process started when I was around 16 or 17 years old. And that was when I started to, you know, experiment with cannabis.

And I started experimenting with other psychedelics. And I started going on journeys where I would go out into the desert by myself or the mountains by myself for an entire day. and I would take a significant dose of, you know, certain psychedelic compounds. And, you know, I would, that was the opportunity that I had to really take a deep look at my life. Because up until that point in my life, I was pretty much just kind of doing what was expected of me. I was doing what society had told me to do. You know, I grew up in a nice family background. I had a really great, really supportive family.

But I was always just kind of living this normal life, never questioned anything. And then when I started to open my mind through plant medicines, that was when I had the opportunity to say, whoa, hold on a second. There's way more to this reality that I haven't really even taken a minute to think about. And then that was when I started discovering people, you know, along the lines of Mark Passio and, you know, Max Egan and others who share esoteric and occult knowledge, but also are just speaking the truth about what's going on. And honestly, the slavery system that's at it placed in the world. And I think that's my biggest, my biggest takeaway and my biggest inspiration in a way for music is to do my best to use music as a vehicle for dismantling the slavery system. And to go back to Passio, like he's an extremely direct. And same thing with like Larkin Rose, people like yourself.

It's that directness. It's that on that, that courage that it's required to speak the truth in a direct way and not, you know, pussyfoot around it or dabble around it or ignore things or ignore things. certain things because you're a fan of this political figure, just conveniently ignore things. It's like, no, we want to get straight into the truth, the heart of the truth, directly, and speak things exactly as they are. And music for me is a vehicle where kind of like you were saying, I think before we went on air, you've interviewed Jimmy Dorr, I didn't realize that that's really cool. But, you know, comedy and music and things like that are a way that we can let people's guard down where, you know, the mainstream music industry is aware that music has this ability to

program our subconscious mind and and so they're using these frequencies and injecting it with a very very dark message of you know fuck bitches get money this kind of a message i apologize if i shouldn't be swearing on your show let me know but you know that kind that kind of thing and a message of immorality a message of every man for themselves a message of selfishness and and essentially satanism is what I would call it if I'm just going to be direct about it. And they know that the music is a vehicle that you can get messages deeper into people's subconscious because it lets down that guard of, you know, the reasoning, logical mind, if it were. So from my perspective, I'm working to counteract that by making music that feels good,

is empowering, makes people want to dance, makes people want to, you know, sing and dance along. And then that lets down their guard so that these seeds of truth can be planted. in a very direct way to maybe, you know, my lyrics are very fast and I rattle off a bunch of stuff really fast, but I feel like every time someone listens to one of my songs, they might pick up another nugget or another nugget of truth. And those seeds can be planted so that eventually more people will awaken. That's my intention behind it. Absolutely. Well, I mean, I would even go step further and argue that, I mean, like your subconscious picks these things up. That's kind of the deeper point that I'm getting at is that, you know, you're right, maybe on a conscious level,

they may not grasp it in the moment, but at some level, that information is getting into their mind. And so would you see what you do in a way as like the current, you know, your music focused on informing about these things as like deprogramming in a way, like the kind of counterbalance what we're doing? Exactly. Yeah, it's deprogramming. And I think that that stems from my efforts to deprogram myself. I don't know if you've had Jason Christoph on before, but he was at the, he was at the People's Reset in Morel.

We missed you there, by the way. but he was just talking about how like he he asked everybody in the audience to raise their hands and say what percentage of you think you're completely unprogrammable and i instantly like raise my hand because i'm like i'm on i'm like wait a second no i think we're all programmable you know and that's kind of our job is to is to know thyself on a deeper level and to see the programs as they're coming in and then be conscious enough to be aware of the program so that we can you know program what we want the message that we want you know a lot of people are programs that they're coming in and then have to be conscious enough to be aware of the programs that we want you know a lot of people are programmed. into a frequency of scarcity where they're always like struggling to pay the bills, always struggling to survive. That's a big program that keeps people locked in a lower frequency. And then there's all these different programs of, you know, especially that the music industry pushes, as I said before, and Hollywood and, you know, all the mainstream media. So I think deprogramming myself, working to do that inner work and then share that through music in a way that hopefully it can help to deprogram other people as well, if they so choose. So. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's what I

I call, you know, and I'm not, not that I create the term, but I forget where I first saw it, but learned helplessness. I think it's a pretty classic term, right? Like that, or phrase, that it is, it is about, I guess it would be term, but it is something that we are unaware of, you know, that we are being, like into the other point you made right there. I, I agree. I actually think that we are all always capable of being programmed, even, not even always in negative ways, you know what I mean? But we, like, unawares in a way that we don't recognize, you know, and I think that the best we can do is just to always be a conscious that that's always possible, right? Like that's like a question everything, kind of my mindset, right?

Where it's like, you don't always know, you know, but as long as you're standing back and going, could I be wrong? Yes. As long as you're in that mindset, you can always still be fooled, but you're at a whole other level where as long as you're always willing to question whether this is wrong or could be misled or whether you could be missing something, you're much less susceptible to the just larger manipulations, I argue, you know, and I think that's really important. You mentioned a frequency more than once.

Can you speak to, first, I guess, directly, do you tune your guitar at any specific frequency? And are you more aware of the, you know, I think we even spoke about the whole 432 hertz and how that plays back here. Would you go into that for me? Because I find that to be pretty profound. Yeah, I can definitely go into that.

So I'm not one of those people who, like, staunchly always tunes all my instruments to 432. And the reason why is because I have a lot of instruments, like, for example, this here, melodica, which it's not tuned to 432. I got a bunch of flutes here that, I mean, these are tuned to 440 and stuff like that. And so if I have to tune, if I start tuning one thing to 432, which I can do my guitar or my keyboard or something like that, then I have all these other physical instruments that don't work. And I like to play a bunch of variety of instruments. So I'm not one of those people

who's like, everything has to be 432. But that being said, I do think there is very, very occulted knowledge around frequency that is being hidden from the public. Whether the change of R.A. standard tuning from 440 to 432 was an implicit conspiracy, I'm not sure. But what I do know is that there's a lot of really interesting numerological synchronities around 432. If you add up those numbers, it adds up to 9. If you divide that frequency by 2, you take the, you know, one octave below that, that would be 216, also adds up to 9. You divide that by 2 again, 108. That's another octave below. that also adds up to nine. And there are people historically, like Pythagoras was an example,

where he would actually tune instruments not just to a specific central frequency of 432, but he would also be tuning all of the harmonics in the scale to precise frequency duplicates. So like, for example, a fifth, I'm going to get kind of nerdy here, but like a fifth would be 1.5 times the frequency of the root note. And he would make sure that those frequencies were precisely tuned, for example, on a piano, whereas nowadays, everything is like an approximation. All of the frets on a guitar fretboard are kind of frequency approximations of a note. On a piano that's tuned to equal temperament, everything is an approximation of a precise frequency

so that you can play in different keys. And what I'm becoming aware of over time is that there are people who are aware of this knowledge and aware that when things are tuned to precise harmonic ratios, that can actually create amplified healing states of the body, for example, and can penetrate our bodies and potentially the fabric of space time in a way that's an advanced technology. And it's my theory, my philosophy, that this is how all of the ancient or maybe not so ancient buildings were created,

that we don't really have the methodology to explain how these buildings were created today. I think a lot of it was created through a very precise understanding of frequency and perhaps these massive cathedrals and things that we see all over the world with these huge pipe organs. Maybe they were less for like worshiping a deity and they were actually more healing facilities where people could come into a geometrically harmonically tuned space that is harmonically perfect. And here a harmonically perfect organ resonate their body cavities in a certain way that might lead to healing cancers, for example. So that's kind of my theory and philosophy on the whole thing.

Eventually, I would like to get into producing all my music, you know, all tuned to 4032. Currently, I have some of it that is and some of it that isn't. Again, just because I have some instruments that I'm not able to tune to 432. But on a deeper level, I think it comes down to the harmonic ratios. It's not just that, it's not just as simple as it seems on the surface. Just like much of your research that you've done, you know, there's all these people putting out headlines and things like that. But when you actually dive in and dig into the research, you find that it's a lot more nuanced of a perspective than what the headlines say. So that's

kind of been my approach is like I'm trying to figure out what the deeper scientific nuances behind all of that frequency technology and magic, if you will. Yeah, definitely. And I would even say possibly to your point about one, you know, the true purpose of the Oregon and so on, maybe it's both. You know, maybe at that time, like lost knowledge about what that was doing. and it was, you know, one and the same about the, you know, their religious or even just spiritual connection to something and that that was used to add to that, you know, you know, it's just an interesting thought. But so you're, when you're speaking about that for those that don't know, and I mean, I'm limited on this, only the small research I've done around this.

So what is the difference in your mind between 440 and 432, regardless of whether it was like a decided thing for a certain reason, you know, there is science out there for people want to look into it, but from what you've read, what do you see the difference as? between the two. Yeah. Well, what I see, in regard to the way it affects your body. Right. I'm not as sure about the way it affects the body, but what I, what I have done some research on is, for example, the cosmological approach. And I'm not really sure. Personally, I don't know what this dimension is that we're living on. I don't really subscribe to the whole NASA ideology, but I also am not like, you know, I don't know what it is. I just think that we're

living in some kind of a dimensional hologram, some kind of a three-dimensional video game of some kind. But what I do see is that the numbers associated with frequencies like 432. Again, they always adds up to 9 or 18, which adds up to 9. And things like, for example, the Great Pyramids of Giza, they have certain dimensions that are encoded. They have certain numbers that are encoded into their dimensions that happen to correspond perfectly with these kinds of numbers like 432 to 16 108 2754 these kind of numbers are found throughout many many esoteric and occult traditions and religions and stuff like that a lot of the yogis would talk about you know doing 108 sun salutations which is you know again that's a lower

a lower octave of 432. So I think there's some kind of a knowledge that is occulted about how these frequencies interact with our dimension. And I think that our dimension that we find ourselves in is a lot more intelligent than we have been taught, perhaps, and that if we start to understand this frequency technology and magic, we might actually be able to interface with the dimension in a way that would give us greater creative capabilities, more ability to influence reality, potentially even the ability to build these massive stone structures that, you know, technologically or

impossible today, things like that. So I don't know exactly what the answer is, but these are sort of some of the thoughts that I have around it from the research that I've done. Yeah, it's a fascinating topic. And one of the central points in that is that the, you know, the theory around it is that the 440 decision was made because of whatever that frequency was allowing, you know, whatever it was reaching, changing, allowing you to see, you know, whatever that theory is, which is interesting to think about. Because, I mean, I'm never one to shy away from the possibility of some grand organized idea like that to suppress something that stops, you know, that ultimately suppresses

people from changing in a way that hurts the power structure, you know, whatever we're talking about it. I'm never one to shy away from things like that. Yeah. I recommend people look into that because it's, it is, you know, regardless of the possibilities, these the theories around it. I find it fascinating when you look into the scientific, you know, the verifiable science around what it does to the human body. It's fascinating stuff. But let me ask you go. Oh, good. Good. One more comment. Oh, yeah. No, I was, I agree completely.

And I'm just, my only thing is I haven't really researched that switch in frequency from 432 to 440. So I can't comment on whether that was an implicit conspiracy. Again, like you, I am conspiracy-minded, just because, you know, we study history and we don't forget things easily. you know, our type of our type of mind, but I haven't particularly studied that decision to change and when that occurred exactly. So maybe I need to do a little more digging and research and, you know, make up my mind on whether that was actually a, you know, overt conspiracy or not, I guess. Well, I mean, I would say that it's my personal opinion is that that's, you know, it would be our opinion, you know, like that ultimately one of these things that how we could possibly know,

like that's, if that was something that happened, that was a long time ago, you know, so it's hard to understand. But it's, it's just, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, It's my mindset on stuff like that is that it's worth considering, theorizing, going through both all perspectives. And then, you know, in most cases like that, it's going to be that we don't know. And here's what I think. You know, but nonetheless, take what you can from it. You know, that's what I like the science around it, the information, how it makes you feel.

These things are all important, you know, and that's when you get into the more esoteric background of whether it's music or information. You know, there are things that we tend to disregard in the modern society we live in that I think is completely shielded from reality in a lot of ways that are very important to our lives, you know, and I think that music is one of those things that it's not tangible, you know, it makes you feel a certain way, it changes you, you think, that's, you know, like you said, you go back a certain time, that is magic. Today we just understand how that actually works and the effects and the sound waves, you know, but it's, it's funny how, you know, things like

electricity, for example, you know, it's, it's time changes the way we perceive those things, and maybe that's all things are possible in time, you know? Yeah. I want to ask you about the, the music point again, in, in, in post-college kind of, uh, experiment, with your mind and music you evolved into trying to, and really you said more post-COVID-19, seeking information that was trying to inform people about things, you know, inconvenient truths, if you will, in truths, if you will.

So at what point did you realize, if you did it all, that the music, they're really highlighting these inconvenient truths was, I guess, an uphill battle to say it very kindly or just impossible in the music industry. Yeah. I mean, I was fortunate to actually go to a music industry program at University of Southern California, which is supposedly one of the best music industry programs

because they take professors who are very knowledgeable and very experienced from the actual Los Angeles music industry, which is where it's based. I know you're near Nashville, so that's also another hub of it. But I just realized the whole time I was there that everybody just seemed super jaded. It was just such this focus on like,

oh, if you succeed, if you make it, if you don't make it, this whole kind of thing. there was no talk about like stay true to yourself you know stay true to your message do what you think is right share what you think is right it's all about just like banging off these different artists the labels they're they basically just treat artists like they're disposable they'll put a huge budget behind someone build them up try to get them to fame as quickly as possible try to make a hit record as quickly as possible if it doesn't work out they either get discarded or they're basically owned by the label for another like six album cycles which can be you know, 12 plus years, they take a cut of every single one of your revenue streams through these 360 deals and things like that. And I just realized pretty quickly that, first of all, Los Angeles wasn't for me and second of all that I wasn't, it just didn't, it didn't feel like I was going to be able to make it in that environment. Like that environment didn't feel conducive to me. And I've always been a big fan of outdoor recreation. I like to spend a lot of time

outside, mountain biking, skiing, hiking, things like that. And so, So in that post-college time, I was just, you know, spending a lot of time outside. I lived in Bend, Oregon for a little bit. And yeah, it wasn't until a little while later, as I mentioned, where I was really starting to immerse myself in, you know, truth and knowledge and things like that and just realizing that I needed to speak up in some kind of way or else I was going to continue to be kind of eaten alive by the inside. I think Hennamaria recently said that that which she was going to speak up.

are born to do will heal you if you do it and it'll kill you if you don't do it or something to that effect and I was like yeah that's really on point because that's I've definitely felt that I'm sure you felt that too if you've been you know not going after doing something that is your purpose I feel like what you're doing now is totally on purpose for you otherwise you would not have the energy to be able to put out the kind of output that you do and you know if we're not doing that thing I feel like it can be really detrimental to our soul and it can lead to dis-ease, which can actually lead to disease, you know, later in the body. And I think that's why so many people nowadays are depressed and sick and ill is maybe not as much. I think there is an element of a that that's a lot of toxicity from

our environment and all the toxins that we're being subjected to. But mainly the biggest toxin is not living a fulfilled life. I think that's the biggest thing. And so for me, it's been kind of an effort to figure out what is fulfilling for me and music is the thing that brings me fulfillment. So to be able to bring that healing and fulfillment to others in a way that also brings shed some light on the truth. That's kind of my goal with it. Yeah. Well, and I know exactly what you mean. It's, I mean, it definitely there are days when this is, you know, overwhelming or, you know, tiresome or exhausting. But if I, there, it's much more difficult for me to feel like I'm not doing it. Like you're saying like you just feel like you're like you're you know failing in some way or not doing your

what you're driven to do and it's not just that you feel you're supposed to not not even actually that at all you know it's more so that like you're saying it just there's a there's a gap there's there's something missing and I know exactly what you're talking about but so at what point you know so you're going through this and you recognize that clearly in in that scene that just exactly we described it you know it's just it's just something's missing right there's not they they feel like just going through the motions or when you started going into that did you see an immediate, like after leaving that and you start doing music focused on, you know, truth and information, did you start feeling, did you quickly recognize that that was not going to be

accepted or rather, just to say much more difficult than the average path? And then did you correct it all or did you just say, screw it? I'm going to keep going. Yeah. Well, I'm for, one thing I left out of the story was around 2019. I started my own little side hustle company. So I was living in Aspen, Colorado at the time. And I moved there on a very limited budget and realize that if I wanted to survive, I needed to figure out a way to make some good income. And I had been researching different kinds of forms of passive income on the internet because there's so many people nowadays on the YouTube University, basically just teaching various different business models.

And I was like, okay, what if I can just figure out something that works? I can learn a simple business model. I can provide some value to the market, as Richard Grove says, you know, find some value that I can bring, bring it to the market, present my offer. And then that's what I did. I now managed seven Airbnb listings out there in Aspen, Colorado. And so when the whole COVID situation happened, everything shut down. I wasn't sure if that was going to continue.

And so I was like, there was no choice, really. I knew that I needed to be making music. And fortunately, I was able to make it through that difficult time with all my listings getting shut down, losing 40 grand and reservations. And the sweep of a, you know, click from Airbnb's. communist policymakers. And but yeah, fortunately everything panned out. And since then, I've been grateful to have that income as an ability to stay true to my music because, yeah, like you said, it's not always the easy path to tell people uncomfortable truths through art.

And I'm just dedicated to doing it mainly, as I said before, for my own soul's fulfillment because I feel like it's what I'm here to do. but knowing that if I stay in integrity with my truth and my message, that eventually that will bring me, you know, whenever I meet my maker, if I meet God one day, whatever, that I did the right thing and I listened to my conscience. And that's one of the big things that Passio talks about is this satanic system that we live in. It teaches people to ignore their conscience. It teaches people to ignore their implicit understanding, understanding of what is right and what is wrong. And that's one of the big messages that I work to bring through in the music is we all have a deep heart-driven understanding of what is right. And right is an action that doesn't harm other sentient beings, you know, doesn't initiate harm against others. And so I think really like the knowledge of volunteerism or, you know, anarchism, if you will, the idea that we should have no masters, no slaves, these kind of things that all of us believe here in this community. that was what drove me to want to focus my message on natural law and doing the right thing. And so at the end of the day, I don't really care if the music makes me a single cent or a single dime.

I'm just like doing it because that's what I feel the right thing is to do. And fortunately, I'm grateful now that that's paying off. And I'm able to do this professionally as well and be able to share it with people around the world. So that's why I think that, you know, I shouldn't say it like that. Because I think it's not ubiquitous that it works this way. But I was going to say, that's why I think that it's, you are a success because, you know, you're doing it for the right reasons. And I think that clearly, you know, you'd be doing this whether or not, which is your point.

And so that there's something special there. People sense that, you know, and not the marketability of it and what they decide can make money, but whether people truly want it to be popular or, you know, want to share it with their friends or want to listen to it repeatedly. You know, so do you, actually, one quick point before we go back to the music, do you think that most people in that, that kind of what we were just discussing, do you think that most people, let's just say, I mean, let's just say the United States are, I guess, you know, good people.

It's a pretty abstract thing to talk about. But I mean, like, I mean, here's the thing. I think that what you're talking about is that, I put it, I'll put it this way. I think that Pete, the way that our power structures always perform. project that they're doing altruistic things. And we're fighting for freedom and liberty. Shows me that most people want those things. Otherwise, why would they pretend to be that?

It doesn't mean that we're all agreeing on what is ultimately good and wrong and bad. But I agree with you. I do think that there's an internal sense of these things. And whether that's religion or not, you know, I think we all have that in us in innately. And so do you think that, you know, the whole conversation about this is that most people are like that, you know, wanting to see good things in the outcome,

but ultimately are like, past you're saying tricked into thinking that they should not be because that is weak or you know what I mean it's a really abstract kind of a thought but I'll give you my thought afterward but what do you think about that where do you think the line is on that with the way let's just say this country is right now yeah that's a great question and I think you know I think again it comes back to the nature of human consciousness being programmable from my perspective I think that people do have especially children I think they have an implicit understanding of right and wrong they have an understanding that like if what mark passio uses the example of if one kid hits another kid on the playground

and then the other kid defends himself then the teacher comes over and says hey cut that out cut that out and the kid will say that he started it right to the to the aggressor to the one who's initiating the violence they'll say well he started it and the teacher commonly will say it doesn't matter who started it and it's like actually it does matter who started it because one person initiated aggression and the other person was you know in self-defense and so it does matter. And I think children implicitly understand that. And then the problem is, is that we're programmed to ignore that, which is leading us to live in. What I feel is a morally bankrupt society for the most part. I don't think that, I think that people do have good intentions,

and they want to live in peace and they want to live in harmony and they want to do the right thing, but they've just been tricked, as you said, and trained to ignore their moral compass. And, you know, this is why the Gaza situation that you've been so aptly reporting on for, you know, well over a year now, probably longer. And these kind of things are allowed to continue because if people had a foundational understanding of morality, then we as a society would stand up and stop these injustices from happening. And so I think, yeah, I think we are in a pretty morally bankrupt situation in the aggregate, in the collective. But I don't think that that's impossible to shift. And that's why I'm using culture, music as a vehicle to hopefully shift that. You're doing amazing work by, you know, again, it's kind of like you did the same thing.

You followed what you felt that was your heart's drive to do. And of course, all the mainstream platforms were going to censor you. There's no way you would survive more than a day on YouTube ever in the modern day. But now you're like one of the top trending people on BitShoot on a regular basis. And there's tens of thousands of people tuning into your videos and stuff like that. So I think that's the important thing that people need to realize is each one of us does have the capacity to make a difference. And if we stick to our moral compass and we stand up for what we know is right, then people will be attracted to that energy and we can spread that energy and have the potential to shift the collective into a more morally just society. But the problem is, as you said, the government, they play off of that.

So they use people's natural tendencies, for example, like the greatest good for the greatest good for the greatest. number, these kind of things, to push, you know, communism and collectivism, as G. Edward Griffin says. So we have to be very careful about the mainstream's tendency to play off of our instincts to be good people. And we need to just stay true to foundational moral principles of, you know, do no harm, take no shit or right as an action that doesn't harm others, that kind of thing. Right, right. Well, you know, that's definitely a large question. So I really, I'm, what you, I just think that was absolutely fantastic. Like I think that what we, your response is what I'm saying.

I think that it's so, it's because it's really difficult. People tend to gravitate towards what, you know, the surface level. Because it's hard not to see all the terrible things happening right now. You know what I mean? It's hard not to feel lost in what I think is what we're supposed to be lost in right now, to fall into that and think, well, they started it, do it back to them, right? Might makes right. Like, I think it's overwhelming people right now.

And I think, I agree with you as the point. is I think that in the core of all of this, that they want us to fall into that trap where most people are bad. Everyone's lost. That's the black pill right there, right? And I think that what you're talking about and what you're doing with your music

or what we're doing with this media is just trying to show people that, you know, if you stick to your principles, your integrity, your values, even if we may differ on that and you just do what you believe, you know, we can overcome this, man, and it's happening every single day

and your music shows people that. And I think it's such a profound thing to think about. So, you know, it's difficult, but well, worth the effort, you know? And I think that what we're doing through this is showing people that that is changing minds every single day. I wanted your opinion on the music field in a general sense in regard to the people that are kind of like, let's just take that exact point. People that are going through this that may have their heart in the right place,

that want to make music because they believe in music and they have, whether it's a truth focus message or not, something that they're in their heart. They go through the school, the L.A. dynamic that you were discussing. And from that point forward, to what degree do you think, I guess those in that industry ultimately cultivate their music to meet the demand as opposed to actually fulfilling what's in their heart. Oh, that's a tough question. You mean in the mainstream music industry. I guess in a, yeah, I mean, let's just say mainstream first because I think that's, you know,

I would say it's obvious that most people kind of bend in that way. But like, let's just make it in a general sense. Like, do you think the majority, whether they're most successful or not, do you think that they're, you know, are more willing to sort of bend to. to what people will want to see versus what they believe in, in your opinion. Yeah. I mean, I think it starts with the fact that, again, a lot of, a lot of people are easily swindled by money. So, you know, we've been programmed in our culture that, you know, money is kind of the end all, be all.

And we've also been programmed that it's easy to be a starving artist that, you know, you're never going to succeed. You know, it's so hard to succeed in an artistic field these days and things like that. So when people are offered like a record deal, for example, and they're given a, you know, $450,000 advance to work on an album that's not repayable except through your soul, you know, the only thing, you know, it's not, you don't have to repay that advance, that loan. It's like a, you know, whatever, interest free, you know, repayment free loan. But at the same time, then that record label can completely mold and shape your lyrics to do exactly what they want. And maybe there will be some, a bit of that artist's essence left over. at the end but it to me it just doesn't feel uh it doesn't feel right so now moving away from that a little bit there is a massive resurgence of independent artists i mean it's easier and easier nowadays for an independent artist to be completely you know dub effects who i'm going on tour with is a prime example he's been doing it for 15 years uh 15 plus years of touring and making successful albums and it's just him and his manager kade primarily that's the team and they're

just do everything together they've been best friends since growing up in Australia and so it is possible especially with modern day media to be able to to be successful as an independent artist so i think there's a dichotomy where yeah the the music industry is a dying thing i also see that in the film industry i'm not that big of into film but it does seem like people are being able to make you know better and better independent films without the need for these ridiculous budgets you know even the cameras that I'm shooting this podcast on right now, we're not that expensive, but these cameras are, like, rated for being used on Netflix films or something like that. Yeah.

So the technology is becoming more accessible to us. And, like, all this technology that I have here, I'm able to make records that, you know, 10, 20 years ago, you would have had to go into a big budget studio to be able to make those kind of records. You know what's funny? Okay. No, no, all you, all you. Well, I just, it's interesting point right there, the overlaps with Nashville, where,

where I'm, you know, somewhat, I'm generally in the greater Nashville area, is that, that guy, a guy who, uh, a guy who, uh, it produced or whatever you'd call it, basically recorded and help, you know, my, my, my songs for SoundCloud. I don't know if you, I'll skip past that, but the point is that he has a studio that he put together in his home. And he's, he's, he's a Grammy Award winner, like, has he's a work with a lot of famous people. And he has a studio put together. And he was telling me that over the last so many years, and if you look this up, it's actually pretty prominent conversation in Nashville. And maybe you can speak to this. And places, they're now trying to make it illegal to actually record inside one of these local studios because they're clearly undermining the entire mainstream industry, you know? And so it's just like clearly what's happening as you described is that Pete, it's becoming more possible to just completely circumvent these choke points. And I think that's happening like you're saying, and all of these different things in it, I guess you can even tell me what you think, is that more about the control through the propaganda, or is it just the money, is it both, you know, but I just think it's fascinating to see that in Nashville,

which is such a hub, and it's obvious what that's about. You have any thoughts on that. That is fascinating. I've never heard anything like that. I know there's some huge studios there, like Blackbird Studios and things like that that you're probably familiar with. And, you know, a lot of times big artists with big budgets, they still love going to major studios because there's a vibe. You know, if you're sitting in a studio where you have like $5 million of outboard gear just in like a 10 foot radius sitting around you and you have like a mic locker stocked with $400,000 worth of microphone, and all this crazy stuff. I mean, people do, it does give off a vibe of like, wow, this is the,

this is the highest level of creativity. So I'm going to bring my A game. And, you know, we're on the, we're on the budget. We're on the clock. So we better bring our A game. So I do understand that. But yeah, what I call it, or I think what other people have called it is like the democratization of music production technology. And honestly, it gets into a bigger topic of all technology. Like the ability that we have to, you know, now live stream. I just got on Stream Yard from Derek's recommendation and I'm able to live stream to like five platforms at the same time from here in my studio like that to me is mind boggling and I know you're using that technology to your advantage and I think it's again it's everything like this is a double-edged sword the technology can rule over

us and we can live under this technocratic control system or we can use the technology to to our advantage and use it to uplift people and spread a message of truth so it all comes down to how we want to use the technology how we program it how we program it how we program ourselves to use it. Yeah, most definitely. I mean, obviously where we're going technologically, there's a lot to be concerned about. But like you're kind of highlighting there, there's always ways that these things can be applied to, like the internet itself is always the main point, you know, that this is

clearly a tool that's being used to push back against the same problem, you know? So it's always worth considering that. I think that through these forms of media and then other tangential technological developments that allow you to circumvent the mainstream choke points are very important because that That is like we're saying, very, very powerful ways to reach people. And I think that's why it's so important for them to suppress this, whether it's the sitcoms you watch at night, the music you play on the radio, you know, whatever it is, the news.

It's all very clear how important these tools are for them. And that's why what we do is so monumentally important. Yeah. I have a question for you if you don't mind. I mean, if we can bounce it back really quick, I would be curious to hear your thoughts on like bit shoot and Odyssey. and because I know that for you, I mean, as an independent media person, there's no way that you can, as we said before,

there's no way that you can really survive on any of the mainstream platforms. I know like, you know, Jason Bassler, Free Thought Project, he seems to be getting a ton of engagement on Instagram, and it does seem like there is a little bit of a shift happening on some platforms, but I would just be curious to hear your thoughts because, like, I don't really get any traction on BitShute or Odyssey or anything like that. And I'd be curious to, like, hear from a creator like yourself who has had a lot of success on these alternative platforms,

like when did that come about for you? How long did that take before your videos started getting traction on those platforms? Because I do think that that's a really prime example of circumventing the mainstream systems. It's like, hey, look, these main platforms are all tightly controlled. They're controlling all the search results. Let's create an alternative platform that's completely free speech. So I'd just be curious to hear your thoughts on those. and that story. Well, I mean, for me, it's hard. It's not exactly like, I mean, I've gotten a lot more reach on, on Odyssey, or actually,

to be honest, I get, my reach on Odyssey has been kind of consistently plummeting. I mean, I think I get a thousand views on video these days, which is just, I don't know what that means or why, but Bit Shoot, that has been increasing. They've been doing a lot of positive changes, in my opinion, both Odyssey and BitShoot being pretty much like the real free speech platforms, you know what I mean? like Bitsuit in particular has been taking actions that very clearly under, like basically by allowing what actual free speech looks like. And it either suggests that there are people that are just gross, which we know exist,

that are freely commenting, which then people point out and say, this is why free speech. It's hurting them, but they're doing the right thing, right? And then, or what I believe, I've talked with them about this is I'm convinced that that's being done, like that there are people that are being driven or paid or directed to go on there and just be like the worst, most disgusting comments every day, every time they can. So then they can turn around and say, this is why you can't allow this, right? Either way, it's the same point is that free speech is monumentally important. And I think bitch, you and the rest are really showing that they're willing to put their

money where their mouth is, right? But so I've leaned into them because of that, period. Now, whether that then, you know, has turned around, has ultimately helped me grow, I think it's obvious. But I think what's interesting is that I get more reach, but that doesn't almost rarely materialize, as to what that should turn into, right? Like in a mainstream sense, when you grow and get more reach

and influence and awareness, the reason that's important other than the main reason, which is why I do this, and anybody that does it for the right reasons, in my opinion, is just to inform people and get it out there, is that you get more influence and revenue,

and that turns back into the same thing, right? The problem is that the way we exist in this field is that it's two steps forward, one step back every time, whether you're being censored on those platforms, pulling revenue streams, or just interestingly, people being censored in other ways.

Like, so I'm on BitShoot, for example, and they're only just now starting a way for you to like donate through it. So in the past, it's been more like, here's my link, come over and donate if you like the content. And the problem is that on these other platforms, people are being turned away. And whether that's through their bank, whether that's through the platform itself,

like Stripe, for example, or even buy me a coffee. To be fair, they haven't given me a problem ever since, but when I first started it, two different times, they tried to bring my platform at my countdown. And one of the people commenting from the platform,

basically accidentally admitted, yes, they did delete it, but we brought it back. And so at least they corrected it, but somebody brought it down because of my content. And so it's like, that scares people away because I'm honest about it. I'll be like, hey, that shoots or buy me a copy still works, but here, they just kind of censored me. And so people go somewhere else. My point is over the end point, I think it's been a grueling process. And I right now have more revenue or less revenue coming in than I have in a long time. And that's not because people aren't still supportive.

of it's because one by one you lose different sources, you know, like Rockford, just went through some really strange things, right? And now, and rightly so, people are going, well, I don't want to donate through that, but it rarely then like repopulate immediately elsewhere. People that think that, and that's kind of how this works, as though there was thousands of dollars coming through that every month that just don't happen anymore, you know? And so I hate leaning into the people that are already out there, like the base we have

and just going, we need more money, more support. Because what happens is you get people that want to donate more when they don't have it. They shouldn't. You know, it's like, my point is that whole like, I think Adam Curry was really, you know, the value value for value idea, you know, that it's like if people could just do like one dollar a month and just never think about it again. Now, you're forever part of this community.

And if you just think of how much reach we get, that's, that's more than we could ever need, you know? And so it's weird dynamic. I get the larger back to the main point is that these platforms have allowed a lot of reach into certain avenues. But I think the problem is that we're every day finding ourselves closer and more inside this sort of like technocratic, technological control structure to where like, under the small example or direct example, gives and go.

I started a donation thing through that, hoping to get recurring revenue. And we got like $14,000 in one kind of surge doing like we did like an all day kind of thing. And most of them were set to be recurring. As far as I could tell, almost none of them were allowed to be recurring. I got all these emails people going like, I try it. It won't let me. My bank said no, and I went back and forth. And so just that alone would have been enough for me to go on forever. But the problem is that there's blocks like that everywhere.

So absolute crazy platforms. And they are making a difference in what really matters, which is just getting the information in front of people. But for us to be able to survive, I think that the problem is that we're, we need to find ways to circumvent that kind of control structure. Otherwise, we're not going to be here very long unless we can stop this momentum, you know? Yeah. That's a fascinating answer.

And yeah, really hits on a lot of things that I was thinking about. So yeah, and I know Max Egan also has talked about that too, where it's like he has this massive reach on these alternative platforms. But then he's been shut down out of every single type of payment processing platform, you know, which basically leaves like crypto is the only thing left almost for him and other people like yourself. It sounds like. So, yeah, having a large reach doesn't necessarily mean that you have the resources to have a sustainable thing. And I think kind of some of that comes back to ourselves. Like I've been thinking about this for myself is how can I take my knowledge of music and maybe share a course or share something else, some kind of other value add to people. Or maybe it's a weekly live stream that's exclusive for people who just want to have an exclusive live stream with me and be able to write songs together or something like that.

Like how do we come up with those value ads that we can be like, okay, we can take the reach and then turn that into something that creates sustainable. resources and revenue. I think that's it's an important topic because as you said before, it's not, it shouldn't be the reason driving anything we're doing, having a big reach on bit shoot or whatever, having a big platform. The reason we we do it is because we're dedicated to the truth and service to the truth and nothing less. However, we we have to figure out how to also circumvent all of the, you know, the technocratic attacks on on our ability to make it actually a sustainable, a sustainable lifestyle that we can share. So. I'm a firm, really interesting points.

Well, thank you. I'm a firm believer in, if you build it, they will come, right? And that's not necessarily, again, that's not to say you will financially succeed, right? But nonetheless, it's like, like you're saying, you know, there's clear ways to succeed. Go out there and spit left, right, paradigm talking points, right? Go on, Q and on and rush a gate and you'll, and you will succeed, right? The point is that if you're doing this for the right reasons, in our opinion, what I believe those are and what we agree on is that this would be, it's about getting the information out there

and in hopes that people want to see it enough or believe in it enough or feel it's important enough to find ways to support you. And I think that's why T-Lav is success. And let's be clear, T-Lav, in my opinion, and not to say based on anybody else's metrics, from my view, is a monumental success for no other reason that we have created a somewhat sustainable community, both financially or in a time when that is shockingly hard to do.

And it's like, that's because of everybody out there watching, everybody who believes in what we're doing, who mail in $10. Like, that's literally what's changing how we do this or cryptocurrency, you know? And that's a profound thing. And I, you know, argue that that's what we all need to kind of tap into is that that community, you know,

the, like what we saw at the, at the, at the third eye carnival or what you saw at the, you know, the, um, Blankin on the term again or the Derek's event. Yeah. What was it? People's reset. People's reset. Thank you.

Yeah. That's the kind of community being built there is how you, circumvent these things in my opinion, which is important to think about. Yeah, I completely agree. And I think that I think that when we can do things in person, when we can actually get together in person, I think that's when we really start to realize how powerful we are. And so that's why I wish I made it to your carnival. Sorry, I didn't make it out there for that. And vice versa, you know, life gets in the way. Yeah, but I think the more opportunities we have to actually get together. And that's why I love playing live music more than anything else. I mean, I do enjoy producing music and sit in here,

the studio and nerding out, but what I really, really enjoy is being able to, you know, be with a live audience and share with people in real time. And that's when we can build community and we can become stronger and realize that we're all here to support each other and build each other up and make the world a better place. Absolutely, man. Absolutely. Well, let's take a few minutes at the end just to get into, you know, some of the things that you're what, you know, there's a lot going on in the world, obviously. There's endless amounts of things to be worried about, discussed, to report on, to make, write songs about, in your mind, right now, you know, what do you feel is something that's on your mind, weighing on you,

something you think is important to talk about or maybe something you're writing a song about, you know, what's on your mind? I'm writing a song about the geoengineering. I've been wanting to do a song about it for a long time. And I'm just sick of it, man. I'm freaking done. I'm so tired of watching beautiful blue sky days get sprayed out, turned into this disgusting white chemical haze that covers up the entire sky.

The sun is, we don't know. I don't know what the sun is, but I know that it's the source of a lot of the life force on the planet. And whatever the reason is behind this, we can get into all kinds. There's all kinds of different reasons from manipulating the weather and weather warfare to potentially, you know, spraying nanotechnology, to poisoning the public through, you know, heavy metals that make us dumbed down and sick. And there's potentially a variety of different reasons why this is going on. But what I know for sure is that it is going on. There's soil samples to prove it.

Dane Wigington has done a lot of good work on that, finding the actual. soil samples and proving that this is going on. There's people who have tracked the flights. There's tons of unmarked airplanes doing this. It might actually be happening in commercial flights. And I do feel like there is an awakening happening to it. And what I like to do with my music is if I feel like there's a wave, like I try to ride the wave of something that people are talking about and try to create music that speaks to the problems that are on people's minds and on people's hearts. And that's really been a big one for me is just seeing the constant assault of the sky and and the chem trailing and the bombardment of chemicals and you know I take a lot of measures

to protect my health I drink really clean structured water that's filtered and I put clean food into my body as I'm sure you do as well you're obviously a healthy guy and I think those are things we can take personal responsibility for the chem trail issue seems like one of those things where it's difficult to figure out how we can take personal responsibility for it because it just is going on it's happening through these black budgets. It's unacknowledged by the government. Nobody really knows exactly how it's going on, but we do know probably that there's a lot of private contractors and weather engineering manipulation contractors and all kinds of things going on. So yeah, that's my little rant about that whole situation. And I think that we just need to freaking rise up,

man. I think that people need to just start speaking out about it and saying this is completely unacceptable. This is our sky. This is poisoning all life on earth. This is poisoning the soil, the water, our skin. It's poisoning our animals. It's poisoning all living things. The bees, you know, there's been a huge die-off in the bee population. So it's an extremely important issue. And I think that this issue, just like the Gaza issue, you know, Max Egan says that the way of Palestine will be the way of the world if we don't stop it. I think that the Kemptrail issue is kind of the same thing. It's like it's giving us, I think that everything that we experience in this dualistic reality is giving us an opportunity to show our full potential, to show what

we're capable of as humans. And I think the chemtrail issue, it's like that thing that's just blatantly in our skies almost every single day, at least here in the United States and I know other parts of the world. And if we as a population can realize that our own government that many, many people are paying taxes to and supporting actively and voting for. They are actively involved in poisoning us directly through this. And I know Derek also just exposed the, you know, was working on the fluoride lawsuit as well, which also it's, we literally have direct smoking gun evidence that the, the government is poisoning the water supply. It's like a smoking gun.

And literally fighting to keep it in your water right now, which is saying. Getting to keep it in your water and it still is in the water all over the country. So it's like if that's not enough for people to grasp, like I don't know what is, but I do think that there is an awakening happening. Maybe I'm overly hopeful. But I see people getting huge posts on Instagram with like hundreds of thousands of shares, hundreds of thousands of views, you know, showing what's going on in the skies. And I think it needs to stop immediately. And I think that people need to speak out about it fearlessly. You know, don't be afraid of being ridiculed.

There's always going to be those people who are like, oh, it's just. just this condensation from the aircraft. It's like, no, it's obviously not condensation. And we need to stand up and stop it. And if we can do that, I think that we could, we could actually, we could actually transform in a much bigger way than simply that one issue. Because it's that one issue that's like blatant in front of everybody's face every single day. If we can stand up and stop that, then what other amazing things can we accomplish if we come together and rise up? Well said. Yeah, I completely agree. And, you know, and there's, it's worth noting that, like in Tennessee, for example, there has been some positive steps, I would say,

even though, like Catherine calls it all the great poisoning of COVID-19, all of it, you know, but the point being that they passed, I think it's the stop spraying or skies legislation, but I see it every day. Every day, it's all over the place. And so the point she makes is that it is just one step, is that that was, you know, basically if they do it a certain way or do it over a certain elevation, they can still completely do it, right? But it's still, I would argue, is better here than others,

that there's at least some ways they're restricted. Or it's all a big lie, which is certainly possible too. But the point is that at least it's being called out. That doesn't mean we should stop, right? Or RFK Jr. is at least giving lip service to the idea of stopping fluoride. I haven't seen any real actions yet. But he is bringing it up, right? That is a positive, regardless of whether I think it's really going to come to pass.

You know, it is there are some, I guess what I'm saying is that I think what you're doing by saying this, music or us talking about it, it's obviously having an effect to the point to where they then need to either maybe they are trying to take positive steps i find it hard to believe but i'll cheer it what it does or they're trying to at least give you that impression but it's in the conversation you know yeah that's powerful man that's powerful it is yeah and it's like we're holding their feet to the fire kind of thing you know they're never going to change their ways unless we demand that they do you know we're never going to dismantle that the whole federal government and live in a voluntarious peaceful society unless we you know stand up and hold their feet to the

fire. Nobody's, I believe nobody's coming to save us. It's our personal responsibility. That's my biggest foundational principles. Like personal responsibility is the only way we can actually live in a voluntary society. And that's why people are so afraid to live, you know, they've been trained to be afraid of anarchy. They're trained to be afraid of volunteerism. All anarchy means is without rulers. It doesn't mean without rules. It means we are self-governing and that requires a high level of personal responsibility. And if we can take that personal responsibility, we can make this world a much better place. Yeah, absolutely.

And I think the responsibility is what a lot of people have been trained to fear, right, that they don't want that responsibility. You know, they want to just be able to have someone tell them, check the box and say, now, okay, you're the one responsible for these, you know, whatever we're supposed to do. And usually that's not even what's happening. So I think it's self-responsibility is a foundational element of any actual, you know, I would argue, let's just say peer to peer, you know, free society, right? Like, we, but a representative government, you know, in any context, the point is to have

real, you know, just responsibility that you know, your actions make a difference and it's not, you know, outsourced to somebody above you or your ideologue or whatever else. And I think that's very important today. So why don't we end today? And I really enjoyed the conversation, brother. And I wish to do it again. Yeah, me too. I really appreciate.

We haven't really had the chance to drop in like on a deep level. like this. So I really appreciate you having me on. And it's, it's good to be kindred spirits on this path of bringing the truth to people. So really appreciate you having me on, man. Yeah, absolutely, brother. I think I enjoyed it. We should do it again. And I think, you know, hopefully at some point, you know, even though it would be more so you, uh, maybe playing with my songs, since I can't just play along with anybody. I'm not that good yet, but we can connect to play in some way. But let's do it. Yeah. Yeah, I would love that, man. But I, let's end today with something you were going to play. Right. So whatever you'd like to play. And before you do that,

though. Give me anything you want to leave us with. Any shoutouts? Any last comments? You know, whatever you want to go ahead and play whatever strikes you in the moment. Cool, man. Well, thanks again for having me. Really appreciate it. And I'm just grateful to everybody who's watching and who's tuned in and stayed to the end. We had talked about me playing my song Sing and Pray because a year and a half ago, I guess it's just insane how much, no, it was a year ago now. I put out this song for the Palestinians because I just felt like, you know, again, it's, It's one of those things. It's like someone's got to say it.

You're saying it. Max is saying it. A lot of people are saying it. And I felt like I just needed to say something and express what was on my heart. And I think the song is still relevant because, you know, there's still bombs being dropped and still famine and all of the terrible things that Israel's up to. So yeah, I'm going to play this song, sing and pray. Just give me a couple seconds here to get my everything right away. As he's getting ready, guys, I'll just say, you know, thanks for being here.

And we'll leave you with this song. Make sure you check out his amazing music. And I'll include all the show notes. As you're doing that, actually, I'll bring up my hands. Oh, yeah, presence music. Presencemusic.com is where you can find all my music. I'll bring up all for free. All you're organizing that.

I'll show. So all these will be in the show notes. So you guys can check out his music, his accounts, and other, you know, his channels, is Spotify and everything else that you guys want to check out. So thank you all for tuning in today. And I'll leave you with this music. And as always, question everything. Come to your own conclusions.

Stay relevant. Be relevant. Making Soviets and Mao is Chinese. Iraq drone bomber. Let's who take the old. Got his dogs out. We had better stop and violations of natural law face the judgments of God. Invest in their schemes.

They lie hostages lit Hamas sensibly holding. They bomb the hospital. Death 10,000, 15,000. Manimoloss and the rubble is what they say. It's a genocide. Zion is once again, infersion the name of the game. Living, and we demand in peace today. We're walking peace.

We live in peace. And we demand in peace today. Wish for sacred lives. The lives that we've... This action is to sing and pray. We've got to sing and pray for all the lives that we've lost. Lives that we've gone. Yeah, thanks again for having me.

My name is Grant Presidents. Thanks again, Ryan Christian, Last American Vagabond. Really stoked to be here, grateful. Sing and pray for Palestine. Much love, y'all.