The Last American Vagabond - Greg Reese Interview - Pole Shifts, Partisan Revelations & The Digital Police State

Episode Date: August 21, 2025

Joining me today is Greg Reese, here to discuss his views on the chaos of the world and the political machinations behind it. We get into numerous points of discussion, including a topic that has many rightly concerned, and that's the prediction of a coming reversal of the North and South poles, or a "pole shift", and the fall out that would follow. We also discuss the growing digital police state and the mainstream alternative media that seems hell-bent on driving into existence -- as well as the potential intersection of the two topics.Source Links:Source Links:https://x.com/gregreesehttps://gregreese.substack.comhttps://x.com/gregreese/status/1957909107031331167Bitcoin Donations Are Appreciated:www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/bitcoin-donation(3FSozj9gQ1UniHvEiRmkPnXzHSVMc68U9f)The Last American Vagabond Substack is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to The Last American Vagabond Substack at tlavagabond.substack.com/subscribe

Welcome to the Last American Vagabond. Joining me today is Greg Rees of the Reese Report here to discuss everything going on in the world. We've yet to connect for an interview long overdue. So I decided to invite him to discuss just his views on a lot of the different things. If you're not familiar with his work, you're going for a surprise. He's an amazing researcher, really insightful. And does a lot of, you know, like many documentaries. I'll let him describe what he would call the kind of short reports.

But on some topics that few people cover that are, that are, you know, reaching a lot of I think he's doing great work today. So Greg, it's good to have you on the show, brother. How are you? Good. Thanks for having me on. Yeah, my pleasure. I was actually just watching one about the radiant energy discussion, you know, and it's a really, you know, an interesting topic that really, you know, actually, really, I think something that is probably supported by a lot of people in this field, but weirdly doesn't get as much attention as it should. What would you call, you know, like you consider that, you know, just I guess your reports, your daily reports, but it's usually like six minutes or so. It feels like a mini-documentary style. Like, is that how you look at it? Yeah, I try to do

like summer quick summaries basically and that's why I like to show like if I can't show links and stuff then I can't make the video because the the way I see it is if it's a subject that someone else is interested in then they can dig deeper you know yeah watch on a five-minute summary I love it yeah I think it's a good starting point you know what their appetite well for those that aren't familiar with your work you know introduce yourself where you know how you got in the field and you know what you're currently doing well Well, I can really consider myself more of an artist than anything else. Like music and making videos and music is something I fell in love with as a toddler and just been doing it for joy.

I've never really made, I wouldn't say I've ever really made any money doing it, although I have made some money doing the Reese Report. When the Reese Report came about was because in 2004, I had a profound experience, spiritual experience type thing where led me to believe that there was going to be. be a big awakening and there was going to be an opportunity where we could, you know, elevate ourselves to a better position in this strange realm that we're in. Yeah. So I started working towards it back then, but I kind of gave up around 2012.

It seemed like it was hopeless. And then in 2017, 2018, I got back. I started seeing things that made me think, okay, well, maybe there's an opportunity here. And so I got involved. That's why I got involved. And yeah, my small part is just to do my little, like, because, you know, you figure, what am I going to do to do my small part? I would imagine the answer is the same for everyone. You just do the things that you like to do and you work it in there.

So I like to make music and videos and stuff. And so I'm just working it in there to try to, you know, contribute in some way. Yeah, well, fantastic. I mean, like kind of what you're saying is, you know, we all have our, whether it's about what you love to do or just what you're good at. that, you know, they're just, we have our, in each of our special ways to contribute to what we think we're trying to accomplish. You're just, you know, achieving our goals and changing the world. And so it's, you know, you use those where you can. And I think you're at, you add a very interesting element to all this. I really do appreciate the reports you put together. The one, for example,

the police state for your safety. I included it in a, in a, kind of a important show I did called the technocratic tiptoe and really was just like a good middle part to kind of tie a bunch of this stuff together. And I think that's what a lot of them do is really kind of connect parts. You know, not just like here's a thing and why it's important and here, you know, but like why it fits in to the story today and why, you know, contextualizing for people, which as, which as, you know, it seems like it should be simple, but it's probably one of the most difficult parts, I would argue to, you know, not only accept people to, you know, get past their political blockings, but to make it make sense for people. So you do a good job on that.

Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate. So let's start with, you know, well, actually, before I get into some things that I want to talk about, you know, and I think are just, I want your, your thoughts on what's going on in the world. Right now with, you know, you're, you're paying attention to this like, like we all are, you know, you're watching the development date, you know, I'm not sure if you're into the 24 hour, you know, watching every day or not. But right now in your mind, what's something that's, you know, not necessarily like the most important story in the world, but to you. What's something right now that's on the top of your mind? What do you think is important story you'd like to discuss that you think is important? Well, I think right now,

there's only really one story I think which is closing us into this digital system to digital ID, the digital money. These used to be, you know, like I mentioned 2004, back in 2004, when I first started researching all this stuff, that was really the main concern. There were several movies made about it. The main concern was we're heading towards a police date, a digital police state, cashless society. It was pretty clear. And then over the past 10 years, they've created all this other drama, like the, you know, transsexual stuff and all that stuff, the pedophilia, really offensive, shocking stuff that I think was designed to get everyone's, not everyone's attention, specifically people to try to ignore politics, which is really a good idea. Honestly, I've done it most of my life. It's not a bad thing. But they wanted to get all of their attention so that they could get them part of this new awakening.

and now all they've got to do is get rid of that stuff for the past 10 years. But we are going into a cashless society, for sure. The only thing that would have ever stopped it, in my opinion, is a massive awakening where we stand up. We don't just sit home and watch other people try to stand up. We all come together, unify, which seems to have been the biggest challenge for a lot of people is the unity part. But without that, and that doesn't seem like it's happening, and I'm not being a Debbie Downer, I'm just being realistic. that COVID, living through COVID kind of made me realize I was a bit naive, I think, to maybe

think it was going to happen. But short of that, we are heading into it. So that's really the only story. And so if you're not going to, and I'm not saying that to be like fearful, I'm saying it to prepare. And if like the first and foremost thing that should be on everyone's mind is where you live. Are you content with where you're living right now? Because some places, you know, the president of the United States basically announced who has to look forward to this hell in the near future. And that would be after D.C., he said what, New York and Chicago and maybe Baltimore, you know, so those are on the radar. You know, I would clear out of there if I were there, if I were you, and if you're in a good place, because I do think there are

some decent places to be, all things considered, then you've got to start thinking about how you're going to prepare for it. You know, if there's not going to be this massive Bob Marley song Awakening, then what are you going to do? That's one of the reasons I put that Badini Wheel video out is because I built one of those back in 2010, and they're good for learning the science, you know, so you can actually do it yourself and understand what's going on. There's probably better ways of powering your home, but there are ways of powering your home, and if you're waiting to buy it in a store, you're never going to find it. But we're living in a time right now where it could be very valuable to get yourself.

self set up for the future. Yeah, and just energy independence. And I'll be, I'll be sure to include that video if people want to check it out since we've mentioned it. It's, it's interesting. And, you know, it really comes down to finding ways, you know, and what I felt most interesting is not just to find ways to become independent energy and otherwise, but that it's so suppressed. That's the, I mean, that's what always peaks my interest is how obviously so much effort has been taken to, like, not just make the information suppressed, but no one's making it. No one, Like obviously this would be a valuable venture if you could make it and sell it, right? But clearly that's blocks along the way to stop that from being because obviously it can't be something.

You know, it's the whole Tesla, Nikola Teslaverse, you know, the current idea of energy we use today where ultimately one can be monetized, the other can't. There's a lot more to it, right? But that's a huge part of that. But you mentioned, so I agree with you. I think it's obviously this whole direction is alarming. It's obvious that's bipartisan. It clearly is beyond partisanship. And so I want to go into more of that as well, including the DC overlap,

which I think is interesting and talk about like the Freedom City overlap, smart city, prosperity stuff. But you made a point about the trans, you know, that kind of the, which is still there, you know, which is not as much as it clearly as oscillated. And I think there's other partisan levels of the same kind of thing going on. But so you mentioned that, so do you feel that that was, I guess the way you framed, it was almost like they threw all that in your face to be able to tear it down, to rationalize why it looked like change?

Is that what you were kind of saying? I think that's a big part of it. I think we're dealing with entities that are highly sophisticated, highly intelligent. I think they know us better than we know ourselves by and large. And I think they're highly economical and efficient. And so I don't think they ever do anything for one reason. I think everything has multi-dimensions to it. But I definitely absolutely think that was a big part of it.

I remember, you know, in InfoWars, when I worked at InfoWorse, there was a lot of pushing out of trannies and images of trannies, hideous images of trannies and stuff. And I really tried to avoid doing it. I didn't know what was going on at the time. I really didn't get it at the time. But it was unsettling. I find it unsettling to share all the child stuff too. A lot of people share it. and they think they're helping.

They think, you know, well, we're exposing this and stuff. I don't really, you know, I don't see that. I mean, it's like the only way he, that's another good example. I think the reason they pushed all the pedophilia out, for example, with Q and on is, and I was confused for a while too. I remember thinking about it back around 2018, 2019 and being like, well, they are exposing all this, you know, but no, what they're doing is they're, they're freaking everyone out because the only way you're going to save the children, because most abuse,

happens in the home, in the family. The only way you're going to save the children is to monitor them 24-7 somehow. So that's that'll be accepted. That's one of the ways that grandma is going to accept the AI system. No offense, because I know there's some badass grandmas out there. But I'm just saying, you know, the people that are there, their hearts are bleeding for the children, which is not a bad thing. Obviously, it's not a bad thing. But, you know, they've created us that these people are clever or these things are clever, whatever they are.

But they've created a scenario to where it's, you know, good luck trying to tell people to do other than these, you know, than to save the kids. You know, what do you get? Like vote, like when a lot of people are mad at people that were pushing Trump in the last election. And I don't even see the, it seems like wasted energy and wasted because it's like, what were you going to do? Were you going to get people to not vote? I mean, that would be awesome. I think it would be great if you could get people to not vote. But you got to choose your battles.

Yeah. What is interesting, though, is, you know, clearly the, so like the Q on point and the pushing of that, you know, clearly, like we both agree, there's, there are things that need to be stopped and uncovered. But it's interesting because clearly like even today with Epstein stuff, it's obvious that from all angles, that's not what they're trying to accomplish, you know. And so it's, it's, so the idea is not only to make you feel like this is now being removed, even though something they, you know, are putting in front of your face, but that ultimately

it's about the surveillance around it, which we're obviously seeing, right? I'm on the idea of like, like, okay, UK and the online safety act, the same exact premise, right? The idea that we have to be concerned about the kids online, so we have to watch everything that's happening.

I mean, it makes perfect sense. You know, it's somewhat of both, you know, so I definitely agree with that. Do you think there's any overlap with the trans part of this and like the transhumanist overlap to that? Or is that just, you know, connecting dots that aren't there in your mind? I mean, sure. I think so.

I'm still kind of confused about the transhumanist thing just because for a while I was shaking my head being like this is insane and it's stupid and so they don't really want transhumanism. They don't really want an AI run world. That's a red herring or something. But now I don't think so. I think I haven't seen

it seems like that's what they really want. I have my theories as to why but it still does like it you know in most cases in most scenarios it just doesn't make sense like why you know and if and why is it so important to to have it so quickly on this timeline now but yeah well my thoughts are just that i think that what's happening whether because of a like a byproduct or like a you know like they shot themselves in the foot with their agendas you know they basically push too hard during covid and made people like wake up to larger things i mean who knows but that i think it's because people for whatever reason

are starting to question things they haven't. I think that's self-evident. I think it's happening all over the place. Why is, you know, like I talk about the Yuga cycles and every show and like the conscious, the evolution of consciousness. You know, who knows what it is, but people are definitely challenging partisan lines. They're questioning, you know, the Israel and Zionism. It's interesting to see.

And I think that this is an effort to drive us to a place to where that's no longer even relevant. You know what I mean? Like to where, okay, well, you say the wrong thing. Well, like you're boxed out. Your ID's turned off. Your money doesn't work anymore. You know, it's like there are so many mechanisms that it's 1984.

You know, you don't, you're, whether or not you even realize the problem, it doesn't matter anymore. That's kind of what I sense from this, you know, and that's why it feels like this control grid is just rapidly coming to fruition. Yeah, you know, it's funny. In 1984, like, um, it book, that book seemed kind of, um, kind of far out, uh, up until just the past few years. Like, uh, even in the beginning of COVID, it was still kind of far out, like allegory.

You know, that's what it seemed like. It seemed like some type of allegorical narrative, but it's turned out to be quite literal. Like, it really seems like that was the blueprint. You know, the smart city, that's what the smart city is. The smart city is the main location of 1984. And then right outside of the city, there was like the Wild Wild West out there. And that does seem like where we're going.

I don't know what that's all about. It could be societal collapse. Maybe it was known quite some time ago that it was inevitable. I think there's a geological event that's coming. That's the only thing that really ticks off everything and explains everything. That they're aware of some potentially like life-ending events, kind of kind of thing and that they're trying to point. I don't mean like the end of the world.

But like for example, you know, like in Russia, they don't talk about global warming. They don't talk about climate change. What they're saying is they say there's a poll shift. that's coming in the near future. They're preparing for it. They're spending billions of dollars in the Arctic. It appears that they're clearing new shipping lanes up there that are going to be the future shipping lanes. This is probably why America wants Greenland because they want to compete with that or they want those shipping lanes. They're saying that land is going to thaw in Siberia. They're saying they need more people. They're incentivizing to get people to come there and move. The church in Russia

has been prophesying this, prophesizing this for many years saying this is going to happen. Edgar Casey predicted a poll shift. He said there's going to be an event and the poll star will change to a different pole star. And he drew a map or described a map of how it would look in America. And this goes, I mean, I've been doing research since 2004. And every rabbit hole I go down ends in cataclysm, every single last one to the point where I thought maybe there's something wrong with me. Maybe I'm just seeing this because I'm a, I don't know, maybe I'm in love with doom or something. So I went through that process to question myself.

I came up being like, no, if anything, I feel like the grace of God has been whispering it to me, saying, get ready, it's coming, something's coming, you know. And I think it aligns with the shift of the ages. Like we're shifting into the age of Aquarius. These ages are roughly 2,000 years long. They're marked in the Bible symbolically, so they're kind of a big deal. They're calling this the Great Reset, or that's what they were calling it, you know. So in a way, I think that's, and it explains everything.

It really does. It explains a transhumanism as best as I can get it. It almost seems like that's part of a last ditch experiment. Yep. To see, you know, for like I said, there's not just one reason. And one of those reasons could be like, well, look, a lot of these people are going to die anyway. So now's our chance to just, you know, do everything that we want to do while it's alive. Yeah.

But I agree with you on the other point is like, or even the idea of, you know, making yourself eternal in, you know, putting your brain inside the cloud. You know, like these are the ideas of, it clearly seems. like where you're pointing to, and I agree, there's so many markers for this, that there's a level of people in the inner circle that, you know, the powers that shouldn't be that, that believe that there is something coming, some kind of an event that if you look back, like I mentioned, the Yuga cycles again, like that's, all these things are kind of highlighting things that you can actually prove that there are timeframes through which you've seen kind of consistent, you know, comets or conflict or, you know, flooding or any number of things that have happened.

And usually that's where like these stories, you know, we talk about the, you know, the floods and Noah and stuff like that. That's where the argument from the scientific side is that that's what that's highlighting is one of these moments of cataclysm. And so if that's the case, let's just say it is the reality. And clearly they're trying to build in a way that would either maintain their power, but also, as you're saying, maybe the last ditch effort to see if maybe they can circumvent the whole thing, you know, like technologically.

But at the same time, even if they're wrong, that they may think this. And that does seem to be that the choices are being made, like we all felt COVID felt very rushed, right? And what was, whether that was reaction to something or it was using, you know, making it up to, it all drew, it's driving us in the same direction that every other agenda is right now, you know? Yeah. Is that kind of, you know, do you sense that that like the AI and all the stuff they're trying to do is, you know, like that, like a life saving kind of, you know, like, what you're going to go ahead, go ahead. I think more so like you said, to maintain their power. That's what I think, that's what I really think it is.

Because if you look at the, if you follow astrology, which I would recommend, because it doesn't matter if you believe in astrology or not, astrology reflects itself on the realm that we live in. It's predictable. And it always has been. And it's a very interesting, if you, it's worth also studying astronomy, which is also sort of the modern day, a fraction of what astrology used to be. But astrology used to be what all science was under. And the reason I bring it up is because if you look at the age of Aquarius, which is what we're moving into, it does paint a picture of more control. It paints a picture of technology, in fact. It does reflect everything we're seeing right now.

But it also reflects a time of freedom, a time of freedom for the individual, a time of liberation. And so I think I like the Ying Yang. We live in a realm of light and dark that serves some type of purpose that's beyond me. And I think it's always going to be like that here. And I think as much as things are changing, and I think everything's changing. I think everything's changing. But as much as they change, I don't think there's necessarily going to be any more dark or any more light. We're just going to find them in different places and you can find them in different ways.

I'm sorry. I was just to finish what I was saying. I was just going to finish it by saying, like, I don't think the world's coming to an end. I think for some people it is. I think some areas are going to get hit really hard. That would explain a lot. I think the coastlines in America might get hit pretty bad or something. But once we get through that, we are living in an incredible opportunity to build something new.

And there are a lot of people that are pulling their heads out of their asses. And all we got to do is form little communities and enclaves and put our heads together and build things and do. And that's really, I think, the best thing we could do anyways, the idea of wanting your government to do it for you. is kind of lame. It's kind of like putting yourself in a position of being a slave or a pet, you know? Yeah. And it's in fact, counter to what we believe this country represents the first place. You know what I mean? It's like we're completely fun out with all this right now. It's like the rationale is always to like go back to something that like, you could arguably, you can even, people argue we never even truly had to begin with. You know, it's like this,

I think we're lost in that kind of like never ending. You know, back to the same point. Like the, what I was going to say is the yin yang is just the never ending battle between good and evil. Like it's almost not supposed to resolve. You know, it's like this never ending kind of back and forth. And that simply being a part of that effort to fight for the right, you know, what we see as the good, the light is in and of itself the point. You know, and I think that that is interesting to think about, you know, but so the pull shift point, you know, that ultimately that would in a very interesting way explain a lot of it, like with an actual scientific event that seems to happen every so many thousands of years. whatever it is. Do you know more about that topic in general? I'm not as versed as I should be, and I definitely should look into it more. It's my favorite topic, Ryan. Like I said, I questioned myself

for it for a while. I was like, is there something wrong with you, Greg, that you lean towards it, but I just end up finding it in all my research. It seems to be the biggest secret of the secret societies. It seems to be that there's this cyclical event. It seems to be one of their traditional purposes is sort of like to manage these events um to manage the herd through them and they you know like i said they're marked in the bible um they uh the bible even mentioned at one point it gave the year too where it said the sun shifted by like it gave the degrees 15 degrees i can't remember how many um interesting stuff and uh and like i said with the way like i said like russia is preparing for more land they're preparing to come out the other side of this in a very good way they're they're

investing money in it edgar case he even predicted that too he says russia's going to become like the the the the hope of the future and um the western europe and america and north america we are acting differently we're acting more like we're consolidating and liquidating um like a corporation getting ready for a bit to take a big hit and try to to survive that big hit that's how we're acting that's not and a lot of people like uh i know when i talk nicely about russia you know i have no love for any governments i'm just right right i'm just talking about what i a lot of people you know hate on that and they're like and they're like oh russia's part of the problem you are fine that's fine uh but there isn't there a possibly it

does seem as if um the earth is going to be affected differently in different areas when this thing comes up well i think the point is obvious that you weren't going the russian government you were simply saying that this location is going to be. It's funny the way that people responded. That's the point we were just making. People are so lost within these kind of, you know, whatever, whether it's politics or anything else. And we, you know, missing the forest for the trees, clearly in that.

Yeah. What you think you know what's going on? That's when you really need to be careful. Yes. What's that old quote, you know, that the biggest problem with the world is that something in fanatics are always so sure of themselves and why you're so full of doubts. I forget the first part of it.

But I don't know the quote, But that absolutely makes sense. That's exactly it. Because people that are, you know, more, more seasoned and intelligent are more ready to make compromise and be like, maybe we don't know for sure, you know, whereas the fanatics are out there going, we know for sure. And that's dangerous.

That's exactly what they want you to think. It's like, and, you know, I mean, I have no idea what's going on. Like I look at things mostly through a lens of what matters to me. And to me what matters is I believe that, that I'm, here to learn and experience things and to accomplish things and to be challenged and to overcome those challenges. And I believe this is for a spiritual reason. This is for a reason that, that matters beyond this life that I'm in right now. And so that's kind of like what I'm focused on. And besides that, I'm just trying to, you know, make, so anything's possible in that lens, you know,

anything's possible. This is all an illusion. This is all some type of matrix illusion for our spiritual growth benefit. It's like, okay, I can accept that. But then as far as like the details, all I've really learned is is the lies. I haven't found the only truth that I always keep coming to is love. Love is the one universal truth. Everything else you research are just lies. You're like, well, this is a lie and that's a lie and this is a lie. And then you get into why they lie about that. Why do they lie about that? I tend to think that's the biggest trick is to convince you of a lie. It doesn't even matter what the lie is. That's sort of the game is to, is to, is to, reinforce that because what that does when you're what you're doing when you accept these lies is you're

putting your faith in man which i think is always a mistake you're put it doesn't matter if it's a man you respect a man that you love a man that you admire they're telling you something you're accepting it as truth it's always a very bad thing to do i think yeah i mean it's i think that's part of the problem you're like the problem when it comes to look politics is that people are choosing to have faith or trust or belief in a person you know that's kind of what you're you're getting at there but back to the the the the pull shift part of it though so for those that don't familiar myself included like with the you know what exactly are we that are we talking about there and unless you'd like to talk about something else i find that really interesting

no i'm i find it i'm normally people don't want to talk about yeah well i mean it really gets into like um the with the heliocentric model it would be and there's a lot of um you know theories about with the heliocentric model of like you know evidence that the magnet like when they when they study core samples and they see that the magnetism of the earth has shifted throughout time so there's a lot of people have believed that there's this a recurrent pole shift going on like that um i don't believe in the heliocentric model when i um i don't really know where we are i do know that by every measure i've been able to apply the surface that we live on is flat i see no curvature um I don't know where we live, though.

I really don't. But on a flat motionless plane model, a pole shift would simply could mean all kinds of things. It could be all kinds of things. There's a theory that I've heard that I lean into because it actually ticks off all the boxes and it makes sense. But it's a little far out there for people that still believe in the heliocentric model. But in the model that I saw, if you can imagine, I like to use the term clock face. makes sense if you see like we're on the we're on a flat clock face surface the clock is facing up we're on this clock face and there's a section of this clock face that has a sun and a moon local

within and this sun and the moon creates this warm beautiful climate that we're able to not just us but billions of life forms are able to you know thrive in this little thing and so if you can imagine maybe on this clock face just like the astrological there's 12 different things on this clock 12 here. And every couple thousand years when an age shifts, like the Bible talked about, the sun shifted by 15 degrees or whatever, how many degrees, this ecosystem thing shifts. This would explain all the Tartaria stuff, why, you know, maybe when, because when it shifts and ice melts, that would mean, according to this theory, that it's going to reveal things that haven't been seen for 25,000 years. So whatever was happening in 25,000 years in that location,

all of a sudden, defrosts and melts. It's going to freeze other areas. So, So this would explain why certain areas of the world are anticipating growth and others are anticipating the opposite. And this is just this is just the theory that I lean to. But the point being is there's an infinite amount of ways that this could happen. And it appears to have in the past. What I do you have. So two things is the first, describe what that actually, what we're talking about. Like, so what is a, so we're talking about a magnetic reversal, right, of the different polls.

And so, and walk, we explain, you know, because I'm this, that's about the extent. Well, like I said, the heliocentric model is, is a magnetic reversal or, and that's still even a bit understood. There is, there is a declassified government document that talks about the pole shift on a heliocentric model. Well, so let me jump in really quickly, because I think that's going to, this is where my second part was going to be. So then, so what you're saying there, it sounds like is that as only is, do you maybe may feel differently if we're talking about a different model? So that's what I was going to ask is so this, you know, look, for I've researched the flat earth conversation and I might feel differently than you on the outcome of the facts. But I'm interested in how you see this is that ultimately that you, so that's what, so is it possible to have that? And it explain me the difference. So if it's a heliocentric model, that that's what I said would make sense.

Then is there another version then for the for the other version? Well, no, if you're going to, if you're to research pole shift and you're going to find pretty much all heliocentric model theories, that's pretty much. Okay. Interesting. Most flat earthers, and I don't really consider myself a flat earthers. So I shouldn't, I shouldn't say that either because that's derogatory. But most flat earthers will scream when they hear the term pole shift. They'll say that's nonsense because they can't, you know.

Interesting. But it really could. It doesn't, because the pole simply means the magnetic north. That's what pole or what is pole. It could mean magnetic north, which doesn't really matter on a, whether it's heliocentric or flat. Or it could mean like Edgar Casey said. All Edgar Casey said, he didn't call it a pole shift. He just said an event's going to happen and the pole star is going to change.

The pole star, what the pole star is today and what it has been for a long time is going to be something different. And that sounds more like the 15 degrees point you were talking about. Yeah, that sounds more like the biblical description when it happened in the past. But according to, you know, core samples and according to, you know, core samples and according to a lot of um this is kind of how uh joe rogan got popular joe rogan had randallson on all the time and me and that's really what grew joe rogan's audience or at least that's how i found joe rogan is is through the randall arnold carlson stuff which is always that's carlson's thing is talking about past cataclysms cataclysms in the past that have changed uh the face of

the earth and there's tons of them like i wasn't even aware of how many there are until i interviewed Bibhu, Dev Misra, he's an expert on the Yuga cycle. And it's, it's mind-blowing how much of it you can prove. Not necessarily like the wise and hows, but like that these events happened, like, and the timings between them are pretty consistent amongst most people who researched it. It's very interesting. But so cyclical. They're cyclical. And that would also explain why they would know. Like if it's cyclical, like, like, uh, like we can still predict, you know, a solar eclipse, uh, from data that we were given thousands of years ago. That's still accurate today. And so if you

were in the no and you knew, this is why I leaned towards, you know, the clock. The clock faces just a certain elegant thing to it. Because, anyways, but it doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter which model you're on.

It's, like I said, it's more, it's traditionally been explained on the heliocentric model. And it really does, like name one strange, unexplainable weird thing that's been going on in the past 20 years and apply it this theory and it explains it in my opinion okay well i haven't found anything that doesn't and it's um it's uh it's happening right now i think i think you can it's not i mean the climate is changing

a lot of people will argue that's the government doing it to to lie i don't really believe that i think they would like you to think that they were doing it but it is uh there is a lot of shifting that's happening now i think um i think i think i can feel it i think a lot of people claim to to to to be able to to feel. Some people are calling it space energy or whatever. I don't know what it is, but there is, it's, it's beyond the clown show that we're, that we're seeing. There's more to it than that. Well, so what are we talking about like the literal, so that we're back to like the, so not just a magnetic ship, but like so like logically the, the actual climate would be different, right? Like, so walk me through what that will look like if that's something that happens or is

happening. Well, according to the, there's actually several maps that were from several different sources. There is a famous U.S. Navy map that was classified for a while that's floating around the internet now. There's a famous Edgar Casey map. There's a famous, there's another guy's name. I can't think it was any. But if you start looking up like future maps, Polshiv, you'll find there are several sources, several different, and they're all unrelated. But they're all very similar. That's what's interesting. That's why I mention it, because the maps are all very similar. And what they're showing is what I remember really is where I live, because I, you know, that's what I'm most concerned about. But in America, it showed a massive loss of coastlines,

of not just the East Coast and the West Coast, but in a non-graduate way, right? Like it's going to be something like tidal waves and is that what I understand. Yes, it's going to be right in a non-graduate way. In a devastating way. So then back to the point about like the government reaction to it. So you believe that this in some way is what's driving their action, this mindset? I think it's what, well, that's, if I were to guess, like I said, I don't know. And I choose as a way of operating to keep an open mind. But if you were to put a gun to my head and say, what's going on, I would say that's exactly what's going on.

Yeah, I think that's exactly what's going on. I think this is why America is talking. This is why we're going after Venezuela now for the oil, get it now while it's hot. We're going to need it. It's why Greenland is on the, as on the Canada, all that stuff is because, is consolidation. It's because the American Empire is crumbling already, has been. This event isn't going to help at all. And so they're trying as best as they can, the entities who are obligated to run murder

incorporated here in America are doing as much as they can to try to survive this. I think, yeah. I think that's part of the transhumanism, because there are people that, that, I mean, there are people, you know, like Ray Kurzweil, he genuinely, I think, is psychotic. I think these people genuinely are afraid of death to a psychotic level. Yeah. And so I think part of it is that. Part of it is like, well, shit, maybe we can pull this off.

And then maybe we don't have to worry about it. Maybe we can be gods on earth and stuff like that. Yeah. The underground bases, which go way back and many of them are ancient. And then you can go down that rabbit hole. you're going to find underground cities that have existed that look like they've existed for a long time and they look like they could have like the one in Turkey where thousands of people, I think tens of thousands of people could live in there.

Like I found it in his underneath his house on a tunnel and his bathroom. It's just crazy how much information. I was like just casually looking past something online that was about the, you know, the miles of basically secret libraries in the Vatican of information, histories and, you know, Things that we just, you know, imagine the kind of information that's there that we just don't get to see or the, you know, I always like to reference the end of Indiana Jones where they're like carting the boxes into the endless, you know, full of top secret boxes. They're full of things, you know, at the end of, uh, uh, presades, you know, where they put the box away and it's just how many, how many things are we being hidden from? How many inventions as John Robertport covers? Have they been stifling because it's, it's just, it's amazing to think about what the world could be like if we weren't being controlled by sociopaths, you know?

Yeah, and a lot of it's happened recently. Like that's like I don't even believe. I can't accept history at all anymore. I used to, you know, I was very, my personality was was heavily formed as a young child on the idea of freedom, the idea of like the First and Second Amendment, natural rights, in alienable rights, stuff like that, really got me fired up at a young age and really kind of formed a big part of my personality. But I don't believe that anymore. I don't believe, you know, once I started like looking at the baby farms in the 1800s, in the mid-1800,

so much weird shit happened that doesn't make sense. It just left me being like, I don't know, I don't know what's going on. For all I know, the whole thing is, it's all just a big shoe. Well, that's how that's, I mean, at this point, it's, you know, and I'm sure you would agree, not at the same time, not dismissing anything either, right, but just questioning it all, right? That's just such a basic point of logic just to go, okay, you know, I'll, I'll consider this point, but we should question it, right? No matter how foundational it feels, you know, basic things because we've gone through so many

points of manipulation. So many obvious realities that are breaking down in front of us right now, we should absolutely be questioning these things to their core, you know? And I think that's just something that's been driven out of us, like as a species almost, you know, in so many different ways. The biggest tragedy is going to be like whether it was true or not, whether, whatever the motives were, the fact is, is that the American people were given a, and I'm no government lover. I'm probably closer to an anarchist than anything else. But still, the American people were given a constitutional government that was based on the idea that God gives us our rights and that government can't give us our rights. They call it inalienable or unalienable or natural. And that's,

to me, is extraordinary. They didn't have to do that. These powdered wig fairies that that everyone idolizes for being the founding fathers. They didn't have to do that. Or maybe they're good people. I shouldn't make fun of them. I didn't have to do that. And I find that very interesting. And what's going to be really tragic is if we lose that, which is, I think, coming fast.

Because that's something to really, I think, be ashamed of, I think. Because it's not just as an American, I see that. And I love that because, you know, anti-government, all that stuff. But I think most people in the world that are on our level and interested in these things also are looking towards America. You know, I remember back before COVID, like 2019, that was the vibe. The vibe was the world was cheering for America to beat the empire so that the whole world could follow along. You know, 1776 worldwide, which was a very popular chant at Info Wars. That's and I was a fan of the show since 2004 and I love that.

It's elegant. It's very, to me, it's very beautiful. It's basically saying, you know, from a simple person who just said, like as a child, I fell in love with the idea. I just loved the idea that we had, we were given, well, the responsibility, basically, to overthrow a tyrannical government, you know, and it was all set up for that. That's super badass. And so the idea of wanting to see that go worldwide, it was, you know, why not yeah no i mean i'm with you on the sentiment but the problem though is especially coming from somebody that i don't feel is genuine like the this the same anymore for sure it's become it's

become one of the most shameful things in all of american history i mean you know the guy used to paint himself as the new paul revere is the new benedict arnold it's a it's an absolute tragedy you're referring to los jones i yeah yeah i mean i i agree with you entirely but i i'm saying in a general sense using that is the point that like You know, because, again, I agree that was my, it's not, I don't think that's genuine coming from that platform. But the point was that whoever's doing it, 1776, you know, worldwide. The point was that, and again, actually first point about the founding fathers, it's right to question this stuff, right? We don't know, there were people in that room that didn't want what ultimately ended up.

You can prove that. That's right. So it battles out, right? So you could argue that we either won out with the idea of the Republic and ultimately lost that very quickly, which you can also prove, or it never really happened to what we thought it did. Either way, the ideas, if forced by. the way to live in a state of society, I'd like to find one without a government, but we're a little bit not there yet. But if we're forced to live with this, I think the Constitution and

what, you know, it is one of the most important steps in the direction of trying to live within a government and somehow check its power, right? Either way, the point is that that was the time for that, right? The idea at this point going forward, the idea was not, as you highlighted, inherent, right? Not the government can't give or take. It is something that exists the world around, but we, within these borders can, you know, enforce that idea. Hopefully others will follow suit, right? And so the idea from here, now we have people claiming that, you know, only Americans have constitutional rights and they completely have lost the plot about what this thing was about.

But so I'm of the mind, though, that it's, it's something that was always going that way. And today, it's like the, it's the insulting use of the original model to try to force you into the exact opposite, to make it as impossible. And that's so depressing. But I share your, your desire, like the idea of, trying to show people a path of which they can have inherent rights that no one can take away. Yes, I'm all for that. But this is more like control everything, you know.

That's the way it kind of feels like they're fighting for it. But so I just want to put that point over it all. It's so frustrating to see. But I agree with your sentiment. Well, what is now? I mean, I was there for, I was there for three years before I worked remotely when I did work there. And I think I think I can fairly say that overwhelmingly, the,

majority of the people that work there and the majority of the audience are are decent people they want tell the government to go fuck themselves you know i mean that's basically the gist um i mean this is a whole other subject to get into but for my if like and i don't know i just have anecdotal experiences but the way it appeared to me and alex actually made a confession of this he went on live and he seemed very genuine to me he was like having a nervous breakdown practically and he said his family's been in the deep state for generations and um and there's a good deep state fighting a bad deep state and he's working for the good deep state and i think that's probably the most genuine thing he ever said and i don't think he ever really got there until recently i think it was the sandy hook i think

he's mk ultrad i think he is uh half retarded like he likes to joke he is i mean anyone anyone who's met him knows exactly what i'm talking about when i say that he's like people like to use the word autistic or whatever i think he's mk ultra and i think he's been uh raised up in that and um and really figured out his role, which is, you know, like I said, it's super tragic because there's a lot of people that follow that show that, that have, you know, unfortunately put their faith in man. And now they're going to let off a cliff. And a lot of them were religious fanatics, so you can't really blame Alex for all that. A lot of these people like, you know, the Christian Zionists that support Israel, the reason they support Israel is because they want Israel to be destroyed. that's why because it's the prophecy it's part of they want two-thirds of the jews to be murdered because

that's the only way jesus is going to ever love them it's such an interesting overlap i brought this up so many times that we're you know so you've got the jewish zionists who believe the opposite right with the west has to be collapsed you know so it's like this weird like but yet they're willing to i guess like work in the same direction as far is just such a weird you know but it's all sociopathic like it's all just such a political manipulation yeah yeah it's wild but yeah and you know that's an important insight. You know, I think I,

I try to call out people in this field that I think are being dishonest in general, but, you know, but the, the, the bigger point is about anybody doing that, right,

that are trying to right now sort of use, like, like, point about immigration, right? Like saying that we, or just even the bigger point, we have to destroy the constitution in ways to help fight to put back in place,

like these kind of broken logic, you know, people, violating people's constitutional rights in order to stop a problem, because stopping that problem will bring us back to where we can do it's crazy it just doesn't make any sense it's republican again now like it's like the one thing that's really really heartbreaking to see it frustrating to see is that the two-party system is is more alive than it's ever been now like there was right i remember growing up

always being really embarrassed by the adults around me every four years because it just seemed so stupid and retarded um but i i still over time kind of saw more people like maybe getting on I don't know, but it's shocking, though, what Trump was able to do to bring it back. Because now we're like, there's like a whole reinvigorated group of Republicans, you know, ready to start wars and steal oil in the name of, you know, my country right or wrong. Right. And then, and, you know, as much as it looked like the Democrat party was destroyed, it's not. 2028's going to be Democrat all the way.

I mean, I still have of the mind that it's all part of the same thing. you know it's like it's just it's a power structure just never really stopped yeah it's psychological operation it's brilliant i mean it's that's why there's two if there is more than two it wouldn't be as effective but the duality nature of of human psychology of our preferences constantly our mind constantly i like that i don't like that i like that i don't like that it's it's worked it's weaponized against us absolutely 100 percent i mean we've been slaves to the crown as far as i can tell forever uh there was a there was a time in history where allegedly We had independence from them.

But even if you go by that historical record, it only lasted about a decade before we became indebted to the crown again. So this is a strong arm of the crown used as a proxy to, as a blunt object to beat the shit out of people in the world. And are you meaning the power structure or like the British crown? I mean the British crown and I don't even know what the British crown is. Like the British crown is a bit mysterious when you get into that. The British crown owns 80% of all real.

state on the planet, something like that last I checked. It's an important point. Matt Erich makes this point all the time. You know, like it's, it gets far, it doesn't get enough attention. How much. The British crown gets away with murder. No one ever calls them out. And they're still, you know, you could say the Vatican, the crown. That's pretty much the height of power.

A lot of people like to say Israel, Israel is there to be destroyed. Israel is there to accomplish a mission by using religious psychopath fanatics. And I don't exactly know what that mission is. is, but we're going to see it probably in our lifetime. But if it were not for the Vatican or for the crown, there would be no Israel. Right. But here's what's possible was that. I agree.

Here's what's interesting, though, and at least a consideration is that we, anybody paying, you know, even remotely looking into this, knows that the Belfort Declaration understands, you know, the Rockefeller through the UK basically gave them this land, right? And so the point is that you could argue that was the mindset to begin with. And who knows, maybe you're right to this very point. but it's also worth considering that that was the idea when it was originally given and that they have wildly lost control of it you know what i mean at this point now it's very clear that israel in its own way or just let's just say zionism has worked its way into these

like it's certainly just as likely that overall this time israel through all the same things we're seeing in the u.s has has you know arguably taken control or at least influences aggressively the u.k and the united states so it's like you know it's interesting it could be the way around people do argue possible but i i it's possible like i i i i i i just possible like i i i i i I just don't, the reason I don't see that is because it's off the rails. It always has been off the rails. If you track Israel back to, you know, 1666 and that whole thing, I mean, it was off the rails back then.

It's off the rails now. It's like, I think, I think Bill Cooper was correct. Bill Cooper said the purpose of Israel is to bring about this end times prophecy, nonsense story and then use it as an excuse to create a one-world religion, which, by the way, the Vatican's already prepared to do. Like they've already, they've, years ago announced their plans for the one-world religion church that will be in Jerusalem, you know, where these three Abrahamic religions that were all created by the same secret societies are now a waging war against each other.

And that's why everyone is seeing it now. We're supposed to be, I mean, according to this theory, they want. us to see it. They want us all to hate it. They want us all to want to see the end of all these religions. And we're there. Well, when you say, you said, I think you said 1666. Is that what you the date you said? Yeah. And I'm referring to, you know, the Sabbatian. Okay. Okay. That's what I was making sure I understood. Yeah. That's interesting. I interviewed David Ike about that overlap, in part anyway. The Sabatianism kind of overlap to a lot of this. It just, it goes back such a long time. And it's so interesting to see. But that's why it's so interesting today to see,

you know, the 77-year-old Zionist project, you know, and like wondering where that really connects back with these bigger pictures. And so that's, you know, that's one of the reasons why when we talk about like, is it the U.S. or is it is real? Well, to your point, maybe it's neither. You know, maybe it's a much bigger apparatus that it's behind a lot of this stuff. I would say, yeah. I would, I mean, because like they're not, that's my experience. And this is where a lot of people I think, you know, miss it is a lot of people think that these people are dumb and they're stupid and they're idiots. It's just like, you know, it's like a lot people are walking around as if all their ancestors are just the dumbest idiots in the world.

And I don't see, I see the exact opposite. I think these people are extremely clever. I've never been able to predict. I have hindsight many times after the fact. As soon as it happens, I'll be like, oh, I see it. I see what you were doing there, you know. But they're, I would say they're definitely smart enough to, to know that they don't want you to know who they are. So if you know who they are, you know, if the whole world's looking at Israel, the whole

world's looking at the United States. Yeah. I don't think it's the United States and Israel. That's a good way to put it. It's at least for consideration for sure. Well, and you know, the clear, you know, compare it like the Congress, for example. I make this all the point all the time is that people,

the average person looks at Congress and thinks to people in power. I don't. I think they're all a bunch of people put there. They're actors. Who don't really, well, whether actors or people, like, I think they think they're in power. I think that many of them are placated, you know, even to the point of the presidency.

I think that the people go, you know, here are your two choices, Mr. President. They're retarded actors then. Yeah. Yeah, the point is that you look at a lot of these people in Congress, and they really aren't that bright. I mean, look at half of Trump's cabinet. If a majority of them, these people are not,

these are the junior team, guys, they're not the best. These people are really bad at lying. They don't know how to handle themselves. And so it's like, clearly that shows me that something else is the real string polar there, whatever you want to think that is. And so that's kind of your point is that the average person looks at that, and thinks that that's what we're referring to. No, no, you were talking about something much, much larger,

that you don't see. You can't define, you know, and that's what's so hard for the average person to, you know, put their hands around. It's nothing you can do with that. I think it goes back to the yin-yang. I think it is dark and light. And I think it is, it's a never-ending battle, a war. It's Valhalla.

That's another way of putting it. And they'll never, that's probably what powers this strange round that we're in. It's probably a good reason I believe. I do believe in a creator. I do choose. I know, I mean, since I was a kid, I've had a personal relationship where I've experienced what I would call miracles over and over and over again. So, you know, but that's a personal thing for me. But that's just where I am. Yeah. So I choose to believe that this is, I'm here for a reason.

I'm here for a good reason and I'm just trying to do my best to get out of it. I'm starting to realize like I'm starting to question the idea of fighting in this battle, for example. Like, and I haven't necessarily even fought that much in it. I research. I make videos of pointing out things that I think are important to know to survive in this realm and to navigate in this realm. And I have at times thought, but I'm really starting to question that entirely. I think it's for me personally, I'm finding it's much more beneficial for me to to really focus on the beautiful, to focus on the good and to look for opportunities where they may come up, where I can maybe help my fellow man in some way.

And there's always an opportunity to help yourself. That might sound selfish, but maybe you've, or not necessarily you, Ryan, but maybe someone listening has mastered themselves completely where there's nothing else you could do to improve on yourself. I haven't. And that is the one power that I have. I don't have power over you.

I don't have power over anyone. I do have power over myself. and the more I can do the right thing, the more I can be right and righteous and kind, that will, you know, through the monkey see monkey do effect, that will have an effect on the people around me.

And I also think deeper than that, it will too. So I don't know what got me on that whole rant, but, no, no, I think it's a good, good place to kind of wrap it up to you.

I think that's exactly that, you know, all we can do is, is, you know, you got to follow your heart. You got to follow what you believe in. You got to stick with your principles,

your integrity, you know, That's, that's, you get, you know, personally, I definitely hope you continue to make videos and content and fight because I, you know, my mindset is always that, you know, just as I, as a person, even if I knew that this was fruitless that I wouldn't succeed, whatever I think that looks like today, I probably still be fighting anyway, because it's just who I am, you know, but we each have our own battle throughout this, you know, and it's like, and I, but I just, I really, I hope that you continue to put stuff out there, whatever you do, I really appreciate your work. And, you know,

just your, you're insightful, you know, just kind of, you know, genuine, you know, presence. You know, it's just, it's just unique out here. You know, you, you are a very real person and I enjoy talking with you about this stuff because it's clear that you care about this stuff, man. And, you know, and plenty of opinions that I'm sure people might disagree with or, but it's, but nonetheless, it's a journey that we're all on, you know, so I look for again with you, again, we should talk again on some, some deeper topics, especially the pollship thing is crazy. I mean, I'm just, it's, it's so hard to take time, you know, with, like, we're, we're

like, we're like, watching a genocide. play out. And you know, like this AI Pernopticon built around us. And it's like these things, that's why I'm glad that you're doing the work you are around it because it deserves time. You know, so thank you for that. I need to do. I should do more reports on the subject. Actually, I want to. And I know my substack wants me to as well too. But, but I think it's like the thing about the pole shift story is a lot of people think that's like the ultimate doom thing. It's really not. It's like, I mean, I think you know what I'm talking about because you're talking about the yugas. Just the fact that we're alive right now throughout this extraordinarily

rare time in history. You know, it's, it may be cyclical. It may have happened several times before, but still, there's really nothing quite like it. There's nothing in recorded history, I think, of what we're going through right now. So that alone is enough for people, I think, to be, you know, grateful that you're alive and make the most out of this life and be the best, you know, spirit in a human body that you can possibly be. Here, here.

Appreciate you, brother. And I'm going to, anything else you want to shout on the way out, and I'm coming events or work you're coming is coming out soon i'll include the links to your your accounts and your substack everything for people that's it that's a substack and uh twitter i want to check out these um i think you're you've been going to these uh an arcapoco things if i never never been oh you haven't i thought i heard you're talking about it recently uh darrick goes or had in the past um yeah it's uh i i like anything like that where people can get together and share ideas you know so yeah yeah we should we should we need to have more of that and

moving forward in the future. We need to get more off of the internet and more back into real life for sure. Yes, yes, I agree with that. Well, good note to end on. And as always, everybody out there question everything. Come to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant.