The Last American Vagabond - IMA: The Growing Control Grid & The Prophets Of Technocracy

Starting point is 00:00:00 We're going to be discussing the idea of the false binary. What an illusion of choice does establishes the baseline assumptions and nobody questions. This is part of the fifth generation warfare that we've talked about, voting for the lesser of two evils. Definitely an emotional psychological trap that people are in. You're cheerleading for an insane ideology because you think you're winning. The role we have is media. How do we help everybody understand? This is theater. This is the theater and you need to get back into the real world. If you're opposed to the agenda, you should oppose it regardless of who's selling it to you.

Starting point is 00:00:49 Oh, fantastic. Welcome back to the Independent Media Alliance. We have a great panel set up for you today. We recently had a really great conversation centered around digital ID, which as we've all kind of expressed is like this is the as i put it the connective tissue between where we are and where that's where we're all being driven and it was a really great in-depth conversation really defining really discussing where our lines need to be drawn and a lot of other things as we know digital ID being only one part of the control grid discussion and so today what we're focusing on is katherine's solar report overview entitled trump administration digital control grid coming together at high speed and we've discussed this more than once what we're planning and what we've been doing is

Starting point is 00:01:27 kind of touching base every month, every so, you know, every so many weeks to discuss the different steps that have been taken, where it's going, and, you know, what we see happening in general. So if I'll just go ahead and put our names up so everyone knows who we are and let's just go ahead and get started. Catherine, if you want to kick us off with that, that post and set the table for us. Also muted, Catherine. Great start today, guys. You've been beaten them to us, Ryan. We're supposed to mute. So we started off the year with the new administration coming out and pushing digital control very aggressively.

Starting point is 00:02:05 So it started literally that were the first day and the announcement of Stargate and went on from there as the Genius Act started to be passed, which finally passed this summer that converted the push for programmable money through CBDC to stable coins and set up the pipeline to a social credit system while we watch Palantir and U.S. other government contractors literally collecting up and privatizing an enormous amount of data. And so the number of steps the administration was taking to aggressively build the control grid was so amazing. We started to just write a collection and update it every week because there's several different moving parts to this. And I gave you a picture to kind of help you understand the different areas. So the digital ID, as you point, pointed out when we started is at the very heart because you need a very high-quality digital ID for internal control within a country. We have passports to go across internationally,

Starting point is 00:03:09 but you need a digital ID. And of course, the real ID has been being pushed now through the DMVs but started with the Patriot Act and pushed ever since. And now they're really trying to get it adopted. And the digital ID is necessary for the surveillance and the use of enforcement to force people to do what you want. And then, of course, the critical issue is the programmable digital money backed up by a social credit system. And so the digital ID is needed for the other two pillars, and that's why it's so central.

Starting point is 00:03:45 And we've watched this administration, the Uniparty has built and pushed all the different areas of the digital control grid, but there's different, There's different messaging from different sides of the Uniparty, and the conservatives have used election fraud and immigration and now protecting young people online to really force the digital ID. We're just watching this week. I've just been paying or learning about what's happening.

Starting point is 00:04:17 We're watching an effort by the FCC and the telecommunications bill in the House to institute a process to completely overrule local pushback against telecommunications so that you can have a very invasive hardware structure of cell towers. And that's coming on the back of enormous pushback against the flock contracts for surveillance, the Skydeo contracts, as well as things that they, the companies are now doing to bring up data centers that are using enormous amounts of energy and water and raising energy expenses for many different areas.

Starting point is 00:05:03 So we're watching the control grid fight, you know, not only happening in the financial system with government IDs, but moving into local communities where communities are pushing back against everything from data centers to the flock contract and finally beginning to realize, Wait a minute, we as taxpayers are funding ridiculous amounts of money and carrying higher taxes to pay for a surveillance and control system, which is going to work against us. And so for the first time, I'm enthusiastic about two things.

Starting point is 00:05:38 One is seeing the local pushback growing, number one. But the other thing is I'm also starting to see the health and freedom groups understand that if we get financial control with programmable money, everything they've accomplished in the health and food freedom areas will be toast. So we're always, it's funny, we have a wonderful website dedicated to financial freedom, and we have a wonderful activist from South Dakota who describes how she gets through to the people in South Dakota who say, look, I have no assets. I don't care if they program my money, and she says, oh, really? Imagine getting this phone call.

Starting point is 00:06:17 It's 2030, and we've decided, Mrs. Jones, you have to transfer. gender your three children and if you don't we'll turn off your money anyway it's it's getting through to everybody yeah no i mean and i'll get we'll get to a point hopefully of talking about like the data centers in these local towns which is one of the parts you mentioned there which is just it is very hopeful to see i mean largely it comes to resources and water consumption in different parts that are immediately affecting their lives but it's just nice to see and i think that's kind of happening in a lot of these conversations where we're starting to suddenly realize what a lot of us been pointing out which is that the general population is not necessarily represented by the two-party illusion of it all.

Starting point is 00:06:54 Right. Well, here's the thing. If I'm up against a flock contract in my local area or I'm up against a data center going in, it's not some distant person in the White House who's approving it. It's my neighbor who lives next door or somebody that I know from the PTA. You know, it's somebody in my local area I can go talk to and have a serious discussion with. It's my sheriff who approved the flock. contract without telling anybody and is spending my money. So it's coming into an intimate level

Starting point is 00:07:25 where people really can take action. With the flock cameras specifically, this is something that Jason Basilor from Freethought Project and here in the IMA and I are going to be working on going forward in the new year. Oh, wonderful. So I'm going to post, we're keeping a collection of of pushback against flock and other things like this. So I'll put a link in the chat. Yeah, he's been doing some excellent work on that. I'm glad to see you guys are connecting on that. Well, she was here to talk about it today.

Starting point is 00:08:00 But the point is the general intrusion of all of this stuff and the data center point and flat cameras and all of it. Let's start just a brief point. And actually, in case, Catherine, you had thoughts on this that we didn't get to share in the last discussion of the digital ID overlap. So let's just briefly start with that. and move from there into other topics. But so digital ID clearly being a central part of this,

Starting point is 00:08:24 any developments in your view or anybody else that have shifted since last time we talked about it? So there is a coalition of people pushing back against the real ID who've asked Rand Paul to hold hearings. Rand Paul has sponsored a bill to repeal the real ID. And I think if that can gain momentum, we can start to get traction. We are hoping he will have a hearing,

Starting point is 00:08:49 because many people don't realize, you know, they think the real ID is just a little star on their, on their driver's license. And, you know, we've been encouraging people to go into their DMV, which they can do in 45 states, and get themselves on, you know, off the real ID. So in five states, you can't roll it back, but in 45 states you can. And I think more and more people are beginning to realize that the, that the real ID in the U.S. A digital ID is sort of at the heart of both the surveillance systems and the financial control. And so that is, to me, that shift in consciousness is a good development.

Starting point is 00:09:31 We just did another roundup show on the real ID, and I will post that in the chat as well. Well, anybody else noticed anything? You know, obviously there's movement here. I mean, it's coming around the world. Every single country that I can see is definitely stepping in that direction. But any thoughts from anybody that maybe addition? from the show or you know tim any thoughts and you know what's been shifting you know i'm glad to see pushback and i definitely do agree with that but any of the thought well where it's come from in the

Starting point is 00:09:57 global push of course last year you get the pack of the future the global digital compact and that's all about the uh accelerating dpi uh you know digital public infrastructure um and then what we just had uh the uh well the b20 is just starting today which is another one of those things that's uh pushing the digital public infrastructure and then that just goes whatever they suggest at the B20 gets rubber stamp at the G20 a couple of days later. Same thing happened with trying to want vaccine passports back in 2022. So, I mean, the global push for it, and plus you had the Bill and the Linda Gates Foundation working with the UN for their 50 and 5 campaign to bring digital public infrastructure to 50

Starting point is 00:10:39 countries within five years. They just recently reached a milestone of 30 countries signed up for that. So, yeah, it's a whole coordinated push for this. and it's been going on for a while. If I could jump in on the data centers, I know I missed the last time I may I was out in Chicago, but you are seeing an explosion of them trying to put them in. And one of the things that I don't know that was discussed

Starting point is 00:11:04 is Mumdani down in New York City. You already have congestion pricing. You already have a very automated system throughout the state where you just drive through the highways and they bill you. I've got one of those lovely. tolls right here, actually, in my hand from the last time I was in New York and nowhere near the city. And when we talk about these data centers in particular, you know, I do agree with Catherine, but a lot of these people are very underhandedly fast-tracking these things. And there is

Starting point is 00:11:34 one already being proposed. I think it's a smaller one at like 170 acres, right outside of Oneana, New York, where I lived on Otsego Lake. And what I see with these, first of all, they give you the canard that this is going to be great for the economy and give, you know, hundreds of jobs like a good steakhouse, like Texas Roadhouse gives hundreds of jobs. Who cares? It's not like they're going to be great paying. It's not like it's going to change your world. You've already had an explosion in pricing since COVID-1984 on natural gas, electricity in general. You know, that's my brother's highest cost. His mortgage, you know, he's now he doesn't pay a lot on that is less than what he pays in utilities every single month.

Starting point is 00:12:19 And if you've seen what's happened in other states that have put these things in, and remember, they want to move to many nuclear facilities for a lot of these larger ones later on. But right now, everybody's energy cost goes up in those localized areas. Nashville is a great example. And there is no benefit for you and I. Instead, large corporations get to harness and sift through this data at an incredible rate, many of whom pay little to no taxes. And unfortunately, it's a system where we're being set up to enslave ourselves.

Starting point is 00:12:58 And again, you are seeing some pushback at these local community meetings, but whether or not they're going to be able to stop this data center, I don't know. Like I'm very worried. I saw what happened during COVID. And there were so many people willing to sign off on some authoritarian nightmare check. Remember, they promised all of these communities. And I was at some of these meetings a decades worth of COVID money. It wasn't this year or next year. So a lot of these things come with a big front end for the people in charge that are voting on it. And Mamdani, when he talks about, you know, public internet or government. run grocery stores. The first thing that rings in my head, especially with the grocery stores, is the W-E-F project that they did. And this was the World Food Program where they put you on the blockchain. And it did have biometric identification. The first thing comes up is secure digital identity. So this is stuff that's already been beta-tested globally. And now I think that the big push, at least in the that regard is going to be New York State and in particular New York City with the data centers

Starting point is 00:14:12 being in upstate and central New York. And then the main moves being done in New York City for that control grid. Well, let's get into the data centers. I mean, that's a very large part of this conversation and the overlap to not just, I mean, the privacy aspect of what it's actually representing, but the resource draw on the area, you know, or any other thoughts anybody has about it because the data centers are a very large part of this that is an early part of it. People are discussing this as sort of a data center coup of our society or, you know, there's a lot of different views on this because it really is encroaching, not just taking resources, but towns are being destroyed.

Starting point is 00:14:49 People are, you know, people, towns cease to exist like spruce pine, we've talked about in North Carolina. So here's the thing. If you look, there's a lot of magical thinking around AI that makes no sense. And if you drill down, an excellent book is Karen. House book Empire of AI about open AI. But if you drill down, what you discover is that AI is good at certain things. And one of the things it's good at is processing anything that can be tracked or mapped or followed with mathematical data. And what is that? That's spatial movement. That's

Starting point is 00:15:26 use of our time. That's use of our money. So there's a lot of disappointment in the investment community because AI was sold to them as something that would improve productivity. And, of course, it's not doing any of that. 95% of the company surveyed say they've gotten no benefit from it whatsoever. Because in fact, the real benefit is supposed to be political and economic control through the data centers. And they are really there to track spatial movements, you know, and that includes self-driving cars and where we go and what we do, you know, including if you want to.

Starting point is 00:16:02 want to lock us down, but it's financial transactions. And if you look at the application of a social credit system to programmable money and financial transactions, you know, you're talking about mammoth amounts of data, just unbelievable amounts of data. And that's what you're watching is this enormous expenditure of land, water, and energy to build the infrastructure capacity you need to collect through surveillance and tracking and then implement control. This is what it takes for a very few group of people to control the many. And that's what this is. It's basically the data centers at the telecommunication wires, the drones, and the Skydeo kind of operations. You know, I hate to say that this is really designed to turn the United States into Gaza.

Starting point is 00:16:54 Yeah, you're absolutely correct. And shout out to fellow IMA member Richard Grove, who a year and a half ago, two years ago was referring to the digital prison landscape as planet Gaza. And I was a carpenter for a very, very long

Starting point is 00:17:16 time. And when you build a house, the first thing that you start with is the foundation. And that's exactly what the data centers are. The digital ID is the framing. It's the

Starting point is 00:17:32 the skeleton of the unit and once you've got those two things you know i mean yes there's utilitarian things that you add to it but you've got most of the hard part done you throw shingles on a roof you've got almost all of the hard part done and then everything else is no longer structural. It's functional to cosmetic. And that's what's going to be left over to build of that digital prison landscape where we may be allowed to decorate our own prison cells as long as we're the battery source and we're plugging in to hook up the decoration of our prison cells or to check in on how our AI avatar did on its date with somebody else's AI avatar for a dating service that we're paying

Starting point is 00:18:30 stable coin to be a part of. But it doesn't have to be this way. I maintain that. I maintain that in a hard and fast future. Yeah, I think the fact that it's we need to consider as well that this is a

Starting point is 00:18:50 global project. I mean, it stems from SDG 16.9. That's where the the policy trajectory started and if you consider that that some of the things that have been said recently so if we consider like the comments of bill gates who seems to be kind of backing off the climate alarmism message and we certainly seen the mood music change very much in the in the united states and it's starting to change in europe and in the UK as well because if you're going to

Starting point is 00:19:26 commit to the kind of infrastructure explosion, the energy requirements for that. I think it was the IEEA, which is the International Electrical Engineers Association, I think, but the people basically that gather the data on our grids, our national grid systems, the world over, they calculated that if this trajectory is going to continue and if the data centres that will be required for the digital transformation that is in prospect between now and 2050 that will mean adding and essentially adding a new japan to the um energy global energy requirements every year between now and 2050 so there's you know the thing that is probably most concerning about that is obviously that's not going to be done with windmills and solar panels that's that's

Starting point is 00:20:30 not going to deliver the kind of energy transition that we are talking about the scary part i guess you know i mean we might as well might as well talk about it is that that those calculations are based on the assumption that we are still using the amount of energy that we currently do so if you know the part of the equation that might be tempting for them to look at is how to reduce the amount of energy that we currently use. But I think there are two things that are running in parallel in terms of the narrative. And that is that, you know, we need to be more mindful of our carbon footprints and therefore consider how to reduce our own energy consumption.

Starting point is 00:21:11 But at the same time, if we're going to, if they're, you know, we're going to have this incredible increase in energy demand, then. then, you know, there also needs to be some recalibration of the narrative that they give about climate change, which is, which the European Union, a year ago, more than a year ago, was they changed the focus of their annual climate review. Instead of focusing purely on the rhetoric that they had used up to that point, they started talking about the importance of energy for economic development and how economic development was also a climate issue that was linked to energy so we are seeing that shift in the narrative and I think the reason that we're seeing it

Starting point is 00:22:07 is the thing as we all know 2030 is obviously a pivotal juncture for the global project And as we are getting closer to that, we are starting to see all kinds of changes in the way that we are being presented with our propaganda due to the necessity of what they are going to do as we approach that 20-30 point. because I think the plan is to have the infrastructure pretty well solidified, at least have that, as Steve was saying, have that foundation in place by 2030. Just to speak to that point about the propaganda leading to that, and he was talking about, you know, energy systems. First of all, the carbon footprint thing for any thinking person has to be annihilated once these things are put into play.

Starting point is 00:23:07 Like you said, the amount of resources that they're taking up, you know, I always, when somebody brings that up, I'm like, yeah, well, what's the, what's the carbon footprint of an intercontinental ballistic missile? I'm like, it's way higher than mine. And they don't seem to have any problem using those all the time because they're taking the lives of people that they're really concerned about the carbon footprint. But I don't know if anybody saw the recent commentary by the musker nuts himself talking about how in the future, when we're living under AI-driven, society, and a lot of this will be AI driven, there isn't going to be cash, and it isn't just going to be a digital ID or blockchain. It's actually going to be based on the amperage of the energy that we produce for the system. I mean, when I saw that, and everybody's chuckling and smiling, and I'm thinking to myself, talk about a bad episode of Black Mirror. This guy is hero sauce to a bunch of just unthinking, you know, rabbit enthusiasts. and he's openly talking about these things. He's even also talking about another part of this control grid

Starting point is 00:24:13 that would take AI-driven automation and data centers, and that's that you're not going to be driving your own car. Even the one that you own today essentially will be refitted with something that makes it an autonomous vehicle. So he's probably to me one of the most concerning figures because he is so out in the forefront and he is projecting these messages into the public arena. You're telling me that you don't want to earn your good boy points by getting on your treadmill every morning and jogging for freedom?

Starting point is 00:24:46 And A.I. Pete Hegseth will award you bonus points if you shave while you're on the treadmill. Very important to Pete. This is something that, you know, we can all take heart in, Jay. It's a future that we can be proud of, in shape, clean shaven, and slaves to the digital. unopticon. This brings up really important. Oh, go ahead, Catherine. Go ahead. I wanted to point out there's a great controversy going on in Maha, make America healthy again. So there was just a Maha meeting where Norlink, I believe, was a sponsor, but they got to give a presentation, as did the CRISR gene editing folks. And, you know,

Starting point is 00:25:28 there's been a big debate because Kennedy keeps sending out positive tweets on wearables. And then his supporters insist, no, no. It was the Susie Wiles, Chief of staff who really did it. But you're watching an embracing of wearables by the Maha group that is really making a profound contribution to trying to sell the control grid in a way that is truly gruesome. Because there's not, you know, one thing that is not being addressed by Washington is anything to really stop the mass atrocity that started in, in 2021 and still has not stopped. Well, there's an interesting overlap to, like you talk about the great poisoning and the reduction of the population. Jason brings up an interesting and inevitable point of, you know, using the human species as batteries or however which way you look at that. And that overlaps with what is also inevitable, as I was briefly showing before. And it's not just water, which is just the obvious issue with resources. So it almost brings up like a, like a self-fulfilling prophecy that, you know, they don't have the resources necessary to make these things happen. So they're going to have to fill that gap with something else. But it's, the same time, you know, the argument of depopulation, you know, and so how do we see

Starting point is 00:26:37 that? Are these different forces, you know, however you want to take that? I speak to that water issue really quickly. You know, a lot of my work is surrounded in transhumanism, and that has brought me to NASA and an individual Dennis Bushnell, who was their chief scientist for decades. He was around since Gemini before Apollo. He recently resigned a little over two years ago from that position. But many of his presentations from the late 90s up until he was done was the fact that our fresh water is oversawes. And you think to yourself, what are they talking about? Why would our fresh water be gone? Seems pretty plentiful, right? Even if you have a massive increase in human population.

Starting point is 00:27:20 And now it is becoming more and more apparent that that fresh water is going to be utilized in these AI data centers. And anybody can go and watch these presentations. And they're talking about you know, growing a certain biomass in saltwater and living off of that, et cetera, et cetera. But, I mean, he gets into things like transmutating the general populace. I mean, very openly. He also talks about, you know, we talked about productivity improvement, right? We talked about how they were sold on that. In these presentations, he says that that is a code word to let everybody else know that

Starting point is 00:27:58 our quality of life is going to subside and go down because we're not going to be allowed to use that much energy. So, you know, the subtext is already there via our government, via NASA, via Bushnell, and Bushnell very, very much a part of the Defense Department, etc., I guess the Department of War right now, as he was a rep for that and the NSA as well. So like I said, anybody can go and watch a history of this, but just watch NASA's position on natural water and how it's going to dry up. And one of the big booms that a lot of investors are looking at is the monetization of fresh water, even beyond what we have with bottles of water that we've been trained over the last 25 years. Wasn't a thing until the mid-90s, guys. The faucet was okay.

Starting point is 00:28:51 So I just wanted to speak to that really quickly. We're looking at floating desalination plants and a number of other different things that they can do with this. There's, sorry, Catherine, go ahead. So I was going to throw in two little factoids. I don't know if you guys have seen a presentation by Jared Kushner, the president's son-in-law. After the first Trump administration, he did an interview and said, given the biohacks available, he was going to be the first generation to either live forever or the last generation to not live forever.

Starting point is 00:29:29 And that was probably a year after Sean Parker, the co-head, one of the co-founders of Facebook, said, because he was a billionaire, he was going to live to 145. So if, you know, if in the framework of the mega rich versus everyone else, you know, the control grid is so the mega rich very few can control the many. Lagerich seemed to think that they're going to live for a much longer lifespan than we are currently living and that that's going to be a problem in the way to do that. The way to deal with that is to downsize us.

Starting point is 00:30:05 You know, the last thing they can afford environmentally is for everybody living forever, apparently. The other thing I wanted to bring up, before I left Washington, I saw an excellent presentation. I was invited to the Department of Defense for a briefing by the Defense Intelligence Agency. And actually, this one I saw in the city of London given to investors by a DOD intelligence officer. And what he said was that although the oil and gas in Gaza was very valuable, that it was nowhere near as valuable as the aquifers that Gaza sat on. And the big push to basically take control of Gaza was to get control of the water and aquifers. And if you look at the role that Israel wants to play, or that group that runs Israel, I should say, in running the control grid,

Starting point is 00:31:02 I'm assuming that to do that, they need control of those Gaza aquifers. So I think the aquifers are very important part of what's going on in the master redevelopment plan. One of the things Whitkoff said in an interview with Jared Kushner the other day, it was published on October 16th was the redevelopment plan had been in existence for at least two years. Poor Jared Kushner almost fell off his sheriff. Look at at Whitkoff, like, please shut up. But if you know how long it takes to build and create a master development plan of that enormity, you know, you're talking about a plan.

Starting point is 00:31:44 that would have been underway, you know, in 20, 21, 22. You know, and then the beauty of having that plan ready to go in October 2023 is then you can, you know, you can build the bombing around the clearance that's necessary. Absolutely. I also think we're going to see Elon pivot for what the boring company's role is. And you're going to see him going after underground water

Starting point is 00:32:14 sources that are quite honestly vast oceanic in size what's that right i just said i imagine that's already happening because of what we're talking about like it's clearly they're they've been aware of this coming you know like michael barry and and the big short movie kind of made that something people talk about with the end he made his prediction about water but well before that people write in articles i mean this has been a long time coming for the elitist circles you know well i mean Goldman, Catherine, you can speak to this probably better than anybody, but a number of Wall Street firms and investment firms have been using, you know, large language models and AI type programs to trade for 15 years. You would think that they would have the foresight to, you know, kind of scope out and plan out how they're going to be able to do that at scale at a rate that would make them competitive or better than everyone else going forward to. Yeah, as usual, the things that we end up getting presented are something that they've been using against us for two decades.

Starting point is 00:33:17 That's kind of usually the way it goes. Yeah, just that. Oh, good, go ahead. Just interestingly, Bernie Madoff's original electronic trading system was called artificial intelligence. That's perfect. Do you feel that there's any connection to that, or is that just a coincidence in your mind? But I think it's probably a coincidence, but it's ironic, isn't it? Yeah. You know, supposedly the biggest Ponzi scheming ever, although I would, I would question that, because I think the monetary system is the biggest policy scheme ever.

Starting point is 00:33:55 But, but yeah, it was called, he called it artificial intelligence. Well, so there's three, there's three things that jumped to my mind on this, the direction we could take. And Catherine touched on two very important points. The, the Gaza overlap to technocracy, which Derek just put a great article, about it's very important the the living forever mind in the cloud god complex that i want i want at least end with to talk about but also the overlap of stargate the data centers and like the vaccine biological like health side of it you know so we we're never going to get to everything in the show so who take it whichever direction you like pick one i got some with the sensing stuff with uh it kind of goes into the uh the panapticon not of just uh cities and and people and stuff

Starting point is 00:34:38 but what's going on inside, so their bodies. So this year's World Economic Forum, Emerging Technologies, Top 10, two of them. One was biochemical sensing. Another one was collaborative sensing. Collaborative sensing, that's for your smart grid. That's for, what is this guy from IBM says? It says, what if we have cameras virtually ubiquitous in a city? Similarly, what if we have every streetlight controlled ubiquitously through a city?

Starting point is 00:35:08 What if every vehicle communicates with a central location, again, throughout a city? And all this stuff is, they call it vehicle to everything technology. So we talk about digital ID. It's not just for people, their vehicles are going to have a digital ID. Nature is going to have a digital ID for biodiversity, as Jason was talking about monetizing, tokenizing, and all that water, land, air, and all that. Now, the other one for biochemical sensing, this one, freak me. out because, all right, so a quote from the report from the W.E.F. was while typical sensors

Starting point is 00:35:43 such as well-known COVID-19 tests are single use, the challenge in autonomous biochemical sensing is to achieve continuous monitoring and electronic data capture. You wouldn't even need to show papers. You wouldn't have to show a digital ID or a vaccine passport. If that's inside you constantly emitting those transmissions, that's game over. So the convergence of these things is insane. Talked about the data centers. You need 30 gigawatts of powers, whether they're going to generate 30 watts of power. Larry Fink said, you know, like you can't do that on intermittent wind and solar. You know, so they're looking at nuclear, small modular reactors, whatever it is. So they want, you know, renewables and reliables for the PLEBs and, yeah,

Starting point is 00:36:28 the AI data centers to fuel these types of surveillance systems. And when you said again about the wearables, man, just go back to you've all known Harari at the 2020. 20 W.EF meeting. You wear a wristband and you're listening to the great leader. You can clap and say and look like you're all for it. But all that data, all that reading, what's going on inside you, you're straight to the gulag the next morning. See, you talk about the internal biosurveillance. And this overlaps with COVID, Bob Langer, Charles Lieber, you know, the work that's been going on a long time. The only way I see that being possible, which I very much think is either already happening or about to is either some kind of nanotech or some kind of graphene oxide, maybe

Starting point is 00:37:05 both you know and the way that this they there's studies talking about putting graphene oxide like jason's talking about in nature in the water to be able to monitor and you know token i i mean these are real conversations you know and so that's that's why i think the the the covid 19 conversation is so important to all this but it's like in a way if we focus only on the vaccine you know we're missing the forest for the trees for what the real agenda was and where it's really going and with it good with the more of the transhumanism stuff and talking about living 140 years or whatever. The Pentagon, the brand corporation put out a report for the Pentagon, they're researching not just internet of body stuff, but the gene editing stuff. So they say that it has the

Starting point is 00:37:46 potential to make humans stronger, more intelligent, or more adapted to extreme environments. And they were even researching adding reptilian genes to humans so that they can see in infrared, and then increasing muscle mass and stuff. And so if you can do that to amplify or augment someone in a very you know, superhuman godlike way, you can do the same thing to reduce, to minimize, to make someone lesser than what they are as well. So before we get into, you know, we talked about basically those that think they can live either extended biological lives or possibly biologically live forever as opposed to the idea of the plebs euthanizing themselves and uploading their consciousness, really, and AI recreation, in my opinion. We should

Starting point is 00:38:32 touch on that, by the way. Keep going. I wanted to touch on because this month, one of my, one of my viewers sent me this lecture from 1984 called The New Human Race. It was by a guy named Michio Kushi, never heard of the guy. I watched this thing. And it literally, first of all, it really upset me at how accurate he was. So he comes out in 1984 when I'm five years old. And he starts talking about meeting a colleague that he went to university with in Japan, and that he's basically part of this bioengineering company that is already recreating organs. So think about what we're doing in the printing field. And I mean, he makes some big claims. And he says, listen, they're already doing this, but there's not a commercial market for it.

Starting point is 00:39:21 And by the end of this, not only does he give an amazingly accurate timeline where he starts talking about first the bio nation, okay, and this kind of experimentation going on, but then the psycho nation of them drugging everybody with SSRI type drugs and even the children, then into the 2020 periods where we're in the ultra-psycho nation, when everybody's unhealthy, they're being sprayed with toxic chemicals. all the time. I mean, the guy absolutely nails it. And basically at 2030, he says that, yes, we will be biologically controlled with this nanotechnology, utilizing frequencies that are manipulated by satellites. And, you know, I'd love to think that that is a fantasy, but there is so much

Starting point is 00:40:16 communication throughout human existence, really throughout our technological experience. that information is carried invisibly, whether it's our radio waves back in the day or our UHF and VHF bands of our standard definitions of what we're doing right now, where we are in all separate parts of the world in real time communicating, a lot of that is invisible. So what worries me is that we've already seen standard type technologies shed on human beings via traditional vaccinations. Lord knows what we really got with the DARPA-run bio-nano-technology that the musker nuts is Tesla and Kurevak injected into a bunch of people. And then the big question is with the geoengineering, yes, we know about the barium, the strontium, the sulfur oxide,

Starting point is 00:41:09 but what is stopping these madmen and women from putting other things in this? You know, I often go to a clip of Herman Kahn back at the Hudson Institute. For those that don't know, Herman Kahn was half of the inspiration for Dr. Strangelove, where he talks about spraying the general populace to calm them down. And he talks about, yeah, go ahead, Kathy. Yeah, Jason, I just want to mention we did an excellent, El Salvador Hamlin did an excellent interview with Clifford Carnacom of the Carnacom Institute

Starting point is 00:41:39 this year on the Salary Report. and Clifford documents in great detail why the bioengineered living material in the spray is exactly the same as what they put in the COVID-19 injections. It's basically the same stuff. It's just, you know, it's smaller and able to get, presumably get through the blood-brain barrier more easily. And it's clearly material that I believe it interacts with the cellular. and telecommunications. So I wanted to mention, we just published two really amazing pieces. One, we finally found someone who I think is the top scholar we've been able to find in

Starting point is 00:42:25 the world on military-grade neuro-warfare, you know, who's gone through all the patents. The other thing I could have mentioned is Patrick Wood and David Hughes and Lisa Johnson and Daniel Brody have done three Omni War symposiums where they get deeply into this military-grade neuro-warfare technology. And then we also published a very integrating piece of Josh Diamond talking about cognitive liberty and how are these technologies. He believes the number one issue of our day is can we maintain cognitive liberty and how do we do it? And I think that is critical because you can't, I don't think they can institute the control grid unless they can literally sufficiently brainwash people to get them in so you and i've talked a lot about

Starting point is 00:43:14 neuroscience in the past katherine and it may be i imagine self-evident to all of us here why what we just discussed ties into the control grid but katherine or any one of you like let's piece together for those that may not recognize why what jason just described is potentially a central part of what katham describing and how that actually controls our lives you know because i think to us we're right nanotech and everything else but to others it might not be as clear so so the you know the the the the First world population is ingesting through all means of digital technology enormous amounts of sort of online hypnosis and brainwashing. And it's very, very effective. You know, so you have entrainment technology which opens us up and makes us susceptible and then enormous amounts

Starting point is 00:43:57 of subliminal programming. And it's why you see people literally acting in complete defiance of their own self-interest on, you know, again and again. You couldn't poison people. people to this extent without that kind of mind control. Think of it this way. You know, if you look at the old movies on the Manchurian candidate and what it took to brainwash, somebody was a very labor-intensive experience. Now you're talking about being able to get kids on video games or people, you know, on slot machines, literally in casinos, and in remarkably short order, seriously brainwash them without them realizing what's been happening. And it's very much used to market consumer goods and all sorts of products and services.

Starting point is 00:44:42 And I ran into it because as an investment advisor, it is very successful at marketing financial fraud. And I would literally run into very intelligent, very well-educated clients who've been totally brainwashed either through their computer, through the smartphone. Smartphones, in my opinion, have contributed dramatically to it. and I would literally find a client who could buy silver at 2% over spot but wanted to spend 24% over spot and couldn't explain to me why and I know exactly why they've gotten you know ruthless precious metals dealers you know marketing to them using this technology and my point is just to overlap that with what Jason's discussing and like how all of this comes together I just did a discussion

Starting point is 00:45:32 about smart dust and whether COVID-19 was a part of that. But you consider the nanotech, you consider even the graphene oxide conversation, which as much as there's a lot of false things around that is a very real conversation. And then the neuroscience part of it, which is more through technology, you know, to what degree do we think this is already happening? Well, it's done. It's, you know, we are all organically chips. And here's what's scary to me is, again, I think that, again, I always say my biggest,

Starting point is 00:46:02 thing these days you know i used to think that we're going to take back the constitutional republic we're going to be rare and it stay human at least as much as possible right you know i didn't take any hate and lie shots i do wonder whether or not some of that material just from being alive and interacting with other human beings is in my body you know you talked about uh what they may or may not be spraying well you just said smart dust we've been utilizing smart dust publicly as the military since the War of Terror in Iraq. You know, Annie Jacobson wrote a big book called First Blatoon where they're utilizing that type of technology.

Starting point is 00:46:39 Then you look at that technology that, again, was publicly revealed over 20 years ago. You know, I just got into a conversation with somebody recently about laser technology. You know, they were kind of goofing on Marjorie Taylor Green. Who has grown on me significantly? who I didn't even realize in September held a hearing on geoengineering and introduced the Clear Skies Act. You know, her and Massey are kind of at the forefront of this thing.

Starting point is 00:47:09 And I bring that up is because, you know, when I saw, you know, the Babylon B making fun of Tucker Carlson for having Dan Wigington on, I don't know if you saw that one headline, but it's, you know, Tucker Carlson next to Bigfoot and Bigfoot's talking about the mind control, trails being sprayed by lasers and Jews or something like that, right? And, you know, just this week, iron, or not this week, last month, Iron Beam was revealed to the public via Israel. Is anybody aware of what that is? So that's their new laser interceptor program for missile defense. Of course, they have these technologies. You know, the Soviets and the United States had them in the 80s. Israel is an ally. And again, those type of technologies, laser technology, if you will, directed energy weapons. We don't know how they've been utilized for sure.

Starting point is 00:48:05 We can certainly speculate. But again, the general public makes a big joke out of all these things. So I think we're up for a big challenge. You know, Catherine just talked about the brainwashing aspects of it. And look, if we've been made to be less healthy, the big brainwashing out there is that we should have free health care. Yeah, free health care would be great if it was actually health care and I had a choice. And it wasn't a system where, again, you are going to have to have a digital ID. You are going to have to jump through hoops and do these certain things and pay into this system, et cetera, et cetera. And then the medicines that they offer you are going to be, quote unquote AI driven so you can't question them and are they going to be healthy are they going to

Starting point is 00:48:50 actually help you i would contend not so much but that other tier that predator class tier the one we talked about that wants to biologically live forever they're going to have a whole different system i mean google itself aka alphabet has had their own immortality division for well over a decade it's called calico and they're not just talking about living forever they're talking about de-aging as well. Yeah, and I definitely think that's a very important part of the overlapping God complex part of the discussion, right? So we're discussing a lot of different things that are shortening our lifespans or at least

Starting point is 00:49:29 using our lifespans for other purposes and this weird mindset of people that genuinely think that they can live forever. But there's two parts to it, right? There's the putting your mind in the cloud, that kind of idea, but also like the, what Jason I've talked about the past, like the transhumanism connection, where you're actually becoming something different and living in that sense. But, you know, this is the, like Peter Thiel, kind of like the mindset that they can become this

Starting point is 00:49:53 through some kind of like technocratic, you know, what do you guys think about that in regard to what that could actually materialize as other than just what they visualize it as from like a Peter Teal community? I mean, they're hardcore, bro. They believe it. Like, I'm very doubtful. I think that we have a biological lifespan span that could possibly,

Starting point is 00:50:15 be extended to a certain extent. I don't think that we can quote unquote live forever. I think that's the big lie. I think that it goes throughout human history. People of power have believed that, whether they can find the fountain of youth or the tree of life. I think they're fooling themselves. Now, the question is, do they fool the vast majority of us along the way that we're going to be able to upload our consciousness into this digital wonderverse that we can be anything on? You know, I've often talked about this transgender movement, any way they can biologically move you away from your reality and not only your biological reality, but your spiritual reality. And I'm not telling you what to believe. But again, there's a lot of invisible stuff out there, folks. Let me jump in on this too. It's more so about the, you know, it's possible like I think that they might let you think you can go into. The idea you put it out a second ago, I think is interesting that you might just be tricked into killing yourself thinking you're going into the cloud. But I think it's more about that they. will, I mean, I never see a world in which they're going to let this be something the average

Starting point is 00:51:15 populace gets to take part in unless it's like a little pen that we're living in inside of a digital, you know, scenario. I'm seeing it more as them creating a circumstance where they lord over us because they're, you know, in essence living forever, you know, like whether it's mine in the cloud or something. And like you pointed out, they truly believe this. Whether it's possible or not or whether they've been lying about it, they seem to in some cases believe that. So what does that end up driving it's the mindset that they can live generationally and control populations and they're bigger than one you know than everything really well i mean it's beyond that right like he's going to resurrect his dead dad he's going to become a being a light and travel the wonderverse

Starting point is 00:51:53 the metaverse like the whole entire universe i mean these people have put it on paper and i think the curswiles out there as a spokesperson very smart guy right uh but whether or not that's a reality Remember, he's kind of curved it. Remember when he went on Rogan, and Rogan kept challenging him on the idea of uploading your consciousness, and that's not you. And remember when he did the age of spiritual machines in 99, he actually admitted that these would be replicas. It would just be non-carbon-based life that we created. So it's not us.

Starting point is 00:52:25 They know this. And I think that's why that that predator class is trying to drive that we're getting experimented on. They think they live forever and we're the guinea pigs in my own. So can I just jump in? I want to get back to ground because every 80 or 120 years, we go through a currency reset. And we are, the central bankers have put us into a reset, and that's at the very heart of what is happening. And no matter how amazing and powerful new technology is, and no matter how unable we are culturally to handle it intelligently, at the heart of this is the leadership has to get that reset done.

Starting point is 00:53:10 And Ian just wrote a good book, an excellent book that describes how all of this digital technology fits with how we're evolving the financial system. So maybe, Ryan, could we turn to that because I think that will ground us back into, you know, sort of the steamroll that's rolling over us right now? To Jason's points, though, this is why you shouldn't give trust fund kids, ayahuasca. Yeah. You just, bad idea. Ian, if you want to jump in and discuss, you know, the overview here of your book. Yeah, no, I mean, it's interesting actually the conversation that we've had because much of this kind of notion of people thinking that, for example, you know, questioning whether people like Theo and. and Kurzweil and that thing that they can possibly live forever and the things that they talk about

Starting point is 00:54:09 and the you know they're already selling us a notion of AI that isn't true they're already making the claims for what AI is capable of doing that they that is frequently touted is not true AI is not capable of doing you know that even uh you know the the next stage of AI AI which might be theory of mind AI we're nowhere near that so so it's not as if the things that they're already saying are true they're not so whether whether the things that they that they that they speculate that they might be able to do in the future such as the assumption that there'll be a singularity that kind of thing um you know that's debatable it's highly debatable it's not set in stone and it's not you know they're using this this these kinds of narratives to to sell

Starting point is 00:55:00 Catherine's talking about here which is the which is the key the key game that they're playing which is a complete transformation of the international monetary and financial system that's that's what they're after at the moment that's why um you know the bank for international settlements for example i mean that the kathlans put that and sallaria put that thing together which is showing the digital idea at the center of a kind of progression towards a new control system which is very much going to be based upon, we only need to look at what they're saying, it's going to be based upon programmable digital currency of some type.

Starting point is 00:55:40 So whether that will be a mixture of central bank digital currency and stable coins or deposit tokens, stable coins, and central bank digital currency, these are all variations of the same theme. And they're very much being different parts of the world and different countries are going for a different model. But what they effectively know, need are trying to do is create uh you know something that we got mark carney spoke about in 2019 at

Starting point is 00:56:07 jackson hole which is a synthetic hegemonic currency so that doesn't mean a single dominant currency necessarily it's an interoperable network of of digital programmable digital currencies so that could incorporate all those different models of different types of digital currencies and there's no reason why it shouldn't the bank for international settlements has repeatedly has been working on interoperability it's been its primary focus in all of its development and innovation hubs for the best part of a decade or more so the notion the idea is that all money will be exchangeable across borders instantaneously no matter what the denomination is or what the or what the type of digital currency is, it will be instantly exchangeable for any other.

Starting point is 00:57:03 Now, whether or not that will be settled on a central bank digital currency wholesale layer, as in whether that will replace reserves, personally, I think that is probably where it will end up. But in order to get us into this place, one of the things that the Bank for International Settlement is also stressed, and they're not alone, the World Economic Forum and the other monetary institutions and think tanks have suggested the same thing is that digital ID must be first. Because as Catherine said, digital ID is the key to get us into this new control system because it's only with the robust digital ID that is fixed to your biometric data. And one of the things that that has happened in the UK recently is that our government has gone down the bizarre route of saying that it's going to issue us with a single digital ID app.

Starting point is 00:58:04 Well, that app is not digital ID, but they're introducing the notion of digital ID through the app. So, you know, personally, I think that the thing is so that we will protest against the thing that is not digital ID. But the infrastructure for digital ID that they actually want us to adopt, which is through something that they call the one login, the UK government's one login system, which is a login system that will require you to submit your biometric data in order to use any and all government services by December 2027. You will have to submit your biometric data. So that's going to be facial recognition. That will unlock the Gov.U.K. wallet, which the UK government has not been open about what the basis for that wallet is, but it's going to be a distributed ledger of some kind, almost certainly, blockchain. And that will be the digital key that systems like Palantir Gotham, which enables interoperability by linking all the different, what they call disparate databases together, by converting all the data from those disparate databases into machine-readable, exchangeable formats. So you can create one single unified ledger, which will hold all assets, including your digital ID token, enabling your assets and your rights and all your contracts to be linked to your digital ID.

Starting point is 00:59:42 That is what they are looking for in terms of a global monetary and financial system. that is that that is what they want to they are building and it's it's you know it's not that they're that this is this could be happening this could be where my where we're heading the only debate really kind of at the global level appears to be which which coin is going to be dominant how coins are going to how coins are going to be relate to each other feasibly we're heading i mean one of the things that the trump administration said about the reason for issuing dollar back stable coins is to protect the sovereignty of the u.s dollar or the system that they are of a completely interoperable international monetary and financial system

Starting point is 01:00:31 doesn't require and you know you can feed could feasibly see that it doesn't require any kind of of uh uh you know sovereign currency that because all currencies will be instantaneously exchangeable no matter what denomination they're in in the in the digital digital digital international monetary and financial system so if you the key to the problem that they've got and what mark kearney spoke about was this thing called a destabilizing asymmetry at the heart of the monetary system was the debt that's that's what he was talking about and he was he was talking about the fact that obviously we even when you look at look at the levels of debt it's not a recovery

Starting point is 01:01:16 situation you know there's no way that that that debt can be addressed and therefore that means changes to the monetary system which would mean the end of an expansionist monetary policy which has been the monetary policy that we've had since the 1970s so which is key to how how economies are controlled the debt levels and the expansion of the monetary supply is key to the centralized control of economies so that was a big big problem but tokenization in the new digital monetary system where you can vastly increase your asset base where you can have you know an asset classes natural assets such as the you know the tokenization of nature itself converting which is again that goes back to sustainable development agenda 21 which spoke

Starting point is 01:02:07 about the the potential for ecosystem services to be financially to be converted into tradeable financial assets well that's exactly what the the potential for you know feasibly has been mooted a four to five quadrillion dollar natural asset economy that's going to that's going to give you a very healthy asset side of your balance sheet compared to what looks like currently unbridled and unrecoverable debt suddenly vanishes in a puff of monetary so they're clearly they're clearly building this system but the key for it to work is us we have to adopt it so the game is on to get us to adopt it and different different current different countries have got a different approach the u.s approach is different from the british

Starting point is 01:03:06 approach it's led into the system whereas in the u.s it is more slowly slowly catchy monkey building it bit by bit in the UK they're in a rush in the UK and I think it's notable that the EU are in a rush as well and I think that's because of the stable coins that you know the potential the potential dominance of the US dollar back stable coins so Ian can I just can I just interrupt and ask you a question in the UK it's clear that, you know, so let's get back to carrots and sticks. In the UK and Canada, they're definitely using sticks.

Starting point is 01:03:51 In the U.S., they're using carrots. They're offering huge and hideous profits to just come in and finance the control grid. And they're trying to get everybody making money on financing the digital ID, making money, you know, they're promising. If you just get, if you'll just switch your money over to the distributed ledger, you'll make huge and hideous fortunes. And if you just put, you know, right now, Now, the top seven control grid stocks are 50% of the S&P, and everybody's 401K is up to their eyeballs with it, and they're making a ton of money.

Starting point is 01:04:24 So the Americans love the control grid because they think they're making a ton of money, and they don't understand they're making money building something when it's done. They just take all the money away. You know, what you said there, Ian, with Catherine's input as well, it's interesting that you're creating a circumstance that is the illusion of choice, which makes perfect sense to what you're describing. they like you said they need us to choose this and so if you give people multiple choices as you said it's interoperable so they don't care which one you choose and they'll pretend like it's completely free choice because we get to pick which shot or which you know like they did with the COVID thing and you know you can take this or go to the back the line we're not forcing you know it's it's the same kind of thing and I think that's really important to think about especially the choice part of it

Starting point is 01:05:03 and I think you know we're about an hour no no I'm sorry yeah go ahead a little delay go go ahead no no yeah i mean i was just going to say that in the in the uk uh to get people to go along with it that this this notion that they brought out this thing brick card is to they've decided that the way that they're going to my view because brick card is not digital id but everybody thinks it is digital ID there are protest movements there are protest movements and political movements building up in the UK against Brick card but the thing that they need to be protesting against is one login because that's where you'll submit your biometric ID and the government doesn't want you to think that that is digital

Starting point is 01:05:58 ID it doesn't want it it's fundamentally lying to every single British citizen because digital ID will be formed through putting your buy entry as it is like this isn't unique to the UK this is our digital ID will work everywhere it the key and we were talking earlier about what is your digital ID your digital ID is your biometrics it's your face it's your fingerprints it's your Irish scans that's your digital ID that is the key token that will link you into the system which means that you know for example example you can be spotted on facial recognition cameras because you've submitted your your digital ID your face if you don't submit your digital ID then obviously the cameras can't recognize you but the same is true with the systems that we will use and once we get once they have you know the other than saving their their monetary expansionist kind of kind of control scheme the real purpose of digital id is social engineering because if you can control what where when with who we all we all transact then you you've got this exquisite social control system so it's two

Starting point is 01:07:22 things it's it's it's it's uh it's it's the the necessary evolution of their monetary control system and and it is an exquisitely designed social engineering and control system so this is why this is why we cannot afford in my view and this is something that i've been arguing a lot for in obviously in the UK we cannot afford to cross that rubicon because even if we you know even if even if the short-term gains and as you know katherine was saying To start with, people will be making incredible amounts of money out of these investments. And consumers will get better deals with digital currency. That's how it will be pushed out.

Starting point is 01:08:15 You'll go into your store and you'll get a 20% discount if you use your digital currency. So people will be sucked into it. And as I said, in the UK, they're just lying. but people will be sucked into it anyway and once they're in this system you know in 10, 20 years time I think you know within a half a generation or a generation or so

Starting point is 01:08:43 that's when people will start to dawn on people the extent of loss of sovereignty and control they just won't have it anymore because it won't be programmed by some faceless bureaucrats sitting in an office somewhere it will be programmed by AI algorithm. That will be making decisions about your life in real time. So, you know, I think that we really need to kind of push back on this

Starting point is 01:09:11 by not complying with it to start with. Absolutely. I think once we started to comply with it, we're lost. Yeah. Well, and this is the essence of the show, right? I mean, today in general is the control grid and how it builds around us. So, I mean, we've had a really great conversation. And as always, there's probably a thousand points that we could get to to add to this,

Starting point is 01:09:30 and we will have plenty more panels to come. But let's kind of end with final thoughts, you know, where we're at with this and to wrap up, whoever wants to start. So I'll just jump in and say, I was just looking at the polls on money and markets with John Titus, and we were seeing that the greatest upset currently is, depending on how you phrase it, the loss of sovereignty vis-a-vis the Israeli networks and mega donors and Epstein.

Starting point is 01:10:01 But I would just say you're talking about instituting a program where essentially Epstein can go to the Unemployment Bureau, they won't need them anymore, because you're essentially turning over control of your children, you know, to the people who used Epstein to poach. So this is, you know, we don't have a financial problem we have a governance problem and if you look at who governs and not only their hypermaterialism but their lack of respect for the human race you are giving dictatorial literally slavery powers to the people who did Epstein that's not what you want to do and so you know Ian's right you have to turn the ship before you hit the iceberg and the time to turn the ship is now

Starting point is 01:10:53 I guess I'll jump in with my final thought. My big thing is I'm going to be following a lot of these AI data centers, the implementation of these type of congestion pricing and automated programs, along with a lot of the blockchain technology that we were talking about. You know, USDA essentially is the U.S. dollar via Coinbase. There's no conversion anymore. It just acts as money. And as Ian said earlier, I don't expect it to be one thing globally, but I do expect it to all interact through these different platforms. So that doesn't matter. But I think the data centers are the thing that we have to push back against the most along with a digital identity.

Starting point is 01:11:41 And I'm hoping that people grassroots can do so. I don't have a lot of hope for New York State, unfortunately. Yeah. I mean, all of this is 100% dependent on regular people adopting it or being pushed into adopting it. And the really great thing for us, the people who don't want this, is nobody needs any of this crap. Nobody needs it. So it is very, very possible to have multiple conversations. relatively simply on just a person to person level where talking about all of the different

Starting point is 01:12:29 ways you can opt out of this and not participate and directing, you know, people to the other people that have been putting in the time and the energy and the resources to have a landing place for people opting out, you know, that we're at a point now. where that's part of everybody should be a part of everybody's day to day, is having a couple of conversations with just regular

Starting point is 01:12:59 people or friends and family about not taking part in this particular form of enslavement and nonsense because they're still building, but they need us to be all of

Starting point is 01:13:15 the finishing touches. And if we're not, they've got stairs to nowhere and on for that and then in closing i would just say um you know the censorship aspect of everything yes of course the digital ID digital public infrastructure uh you got the technology you got policy um but yeah moving forward as well uh i'll just use climate change as one example you're not even allowed to criticize climate change policies now because that's disinformation goes against information integrity And so now with the B20 coming up, G20, and all those meetings and things, that's a big push, is this information integrity thing.

Starting point is 01:13:56 And so if they can just do that with something with, just talking about climate change, it could be anything else. So I'd be on look out for that. I know you had spoke already, but would you like to give us some extra thoughts to finish? Go ahead. Yeah, no, yeah, I was just going to say, do not comply because the cost of not complying is much less than the cost of comply. complying. We are now at the stage where complying with everything that is being erected around us is going to cost you and your family far more than not comply. Sure, in the short term, if you don't comply, is it likely that this is going to cost you some short term pain?

Starting point is 01:14:39 Yeah, pretty much because they are going to try and cut us off from systems. They're going to try and cut us off. Ultimately, they'll try and cut us off from finance. But so what? Because if you, if if you comply within a generation or so you the notion of what it is to be a sovereign human being will be a distant memory because this is a total control and surveillance and control grid it is total and i don't think people have really really grasped that yet but that's what they are building yeah and i agree i echo everything you know i just i just i I think my final thought is, you know, we talked last show on the digital ID about discovering where your lines are individually, you know, because it's going to be personal

Starting point is 01:15:26 and individual for everybody out there, where that line in the sand is for any one of these things, digital ID, face prints to go on Twitter, you know, not when it's confronted for you and you have to make choices about your every other thing, but now and think about where those lines are. But, you know, my thought today is, you know, I'm of the mind, as I say often, that I think the majority of people varying degrees on varying topics, but are starting to question a lot. And I think we all see that. whether it's about Epstein or the things, there's a big shift happening.

Starting point is 01:15:52 And I think what, yet what that seems to lack or where that lacks within the population is about this, you know, whether digital ID is just a thing that's convenience. You know, at least that's my experience. People seem to really see a lot of things, but then might choose to continue to comply for the grid because they like their Starbucks or whatever.

Starting point is 01:16:11 And I just think it really behooves us all as individuals who largely seem to want to, you know, who speak to liberty and freedom, to think about what this actually represents in the long term, even the short term, after what we discussed here and a thousand other points to where it goes, very rapidly you're going to start to see those things infringed on. Even if you think it's a partisan thing, what happens when the Democrats become in power or Republicans again, you know, it will end up pushing you into a certain place based on

Starting point is 01:16:36 the argument that the other is the problem. It always ends up that way. So just consider that. And I think we had a great conversation today, and I very much look forward to the next one. Thank you all for being here. And as always, everybody question everything, come to your own conclusion. Stay vigilant.

The Last American Vagabond - IMA: The Growing Control Grid & The Prophets Of Technocracy

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