The Last American Vagabond - Kevork Almassian Interview - The True Origins Of ISIS/al-Qaeda & The "Iranian Sleeper Cell" Threat

Starting point is 00:00:00 Last American Vagabond, joining me today is Cabralka Macy and friend of the show from SIRIONA analysis to discuss broader topics of the Iran War, how Lebanon is connected to this, and a larger conversation about just the connections, the background between ISIS and Al-Qaeda, connections to U.S. and Israel, and how that plays a factor in all of this and how it's being discussed being involved in now in Lebanon conversation. Gaborik, how are you today? Pleasure to be on the show, brother. The pleasure is mine.

Starting point is 00:00:50 Thank you so much for having me on your show to discuss. is very, as we say, it's complex, but it's not complex at the same time. So let's go through them. We were, I mean, I was, we were just saying this off the air just a second ago. It kind of baffles me. My audience is well aware of this. I, you know, frustrating we talk about this all the time. The origins behind Al-Qaeda and ISIS and, you know, funding and involvement, you know, there's nuance very clearly, but it's just so clear that there's involvement that goes back to its origin point from the U.S. and even Israel. You know, and, you know, Ben Swan had a doctor. documentary a long time ago that I thought did a really good job on that. James Corbin had this three-part

Starting point is 00:01:26 documentary on that that just nailed it to the wall with like undeniable evidence. You know, but we, it's just how this tends to go. You know, it's so much pushback from the corporate media, mainstream alternative sort of kind of controlling the status quo. But it's important, you know, that we just keep bringing this to the table and hopefully new people see it. And, you know, on this, I've been talking about this a lot over the last year. I think we may even briefly touched on this last time we spoke. But, you know, I'm of the mind that I've never seen this many people start to ask these questions and start to open their eyes to things like that very point. Do you see that kind of growing awareness and do you think that's

Starting point is 00:01:57 becoming the majority or you know, where do you put that in your mind? Actually, I was part of the people who believed that the people who believed Al-Qaeda is somehow under the control of the United States Empire or managed by them or moved by them in certain places they are crazy not jobs. I thought they are conspiracy serious. And the only time the suspicions started for me, I was just like a normie person, like any other person. This was in 2012 when I started seeing the influx of weapons to Syria into the hands of what used to be called Jephetun Nusra, the Al-Qaeda of Yid in Syria. Now, back in the day, I still thought that the Americans would not really cross this line of basically arming a group like Al-Qaeda in Syria. And I thought that the allies of

Starting point is 00:02:48 of the United States are doing it against the will of the Americans. Because at the end of the day, Al-Qaeda is the boogeyman. Al-Qaeda is the enemy of the United States. As they flew these jets to the Twin Towers, they blew up several buildings, they hit the Pentagon, they did all these things. But this was the naive me for a very long time ago, and I wasn't really involved in really digging into these, let's say, security incidences that happened in the past.

Starting point is 00:03:17 and I'm not an expert on 9-11, but I have checked the recent history, for example, when it was in Afghanistan. Now, the convenient thing to do for an American empire fighting during the Cold War against the Soviet Union is to support the antidotes of the Soviet Union back in the day, the antidotes for the socialists and the communists, and those were basically the Islamists. And the Islamists have seen the communism and socialism back in the day as an absolute evil. And they fought against them. And they thought that communism at a certain point, they will also take over the Arabic and Islamic countries because in these countries, they were subjugated and subjected to a long history of colonialism.

Starting point is 00:04:03 So the people were excited about resisting against any sort of colonialism or neocolonialism, especially after independence, because the independence of these countries was at certain phases just ink on a paper. They didn't really gain their independence. They gained their independence through recognition in the UN. But on the ground, their political elite was captured. Their economies were captured. So these economies, when they were still dependent on, let's say, other countries,

Starting point is 00:04:35 basically these countries have had influence over them. So when the people tried to liberate themselves from any sort of dependence on outside forces, the Soviet Union came and supported these, let's say, liberation movements, right? They supported the PLO in Palestine. They supported in the revolutionaries in Libya. They supported many people also in South Africa, right? So the antidote for them was this Islamist and the most active force in this case were the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, who were, by the way, they were fringe group back in the day.

Starting point is 00:05:13 They were not very strong group. But the Americans found that it would be a brilliant idea, and this is, of course, I'm quoting Hillary Clinton, to support this Mujahideen there because they would carry on this fight, and they are very much motivated, and they would like to become martyrs. So they tasked Saudi Arabia and the ISI, the Pakistani intelligence back in the day, and the Saldi, bring these people multinational takfiri jihadists from all around the world to Afghanistan and form units to fight against the Soviet Union. And this was a successful strategy because they drained the finances of the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

Starting point is 00:05:53 And this was one of the reasons, let's say, that Soviet Union has withdrawn from Afghanistan and also later collapse. This is just one of the reasons, not the reason. The Americans found that this was a great formula, that they could copy in other places. So another example is Libya. Libya comes 2011 and then you see in Benghazi all the Muslim borderhood, Salafists, Takfiris, Al-Qaeda types joining the fight against Gaddafi, removing him from power, killing him in the most heinous way.

Starting point is 00:06:23 And then all these weapons and the people who received the training in Benghazi, they transferred them to Syria the same year. Once Gaddafi was overthrown, they sent them to Syria. And still I was, you know, because, I myself, I was so propagandized by the press that you still like, it's impossible. It cannot happen. You cannot believe your eyes that this type of fighters would receive funding and support and training and arms from who, the United States? But then you start like seeing the reality is on the ground because when you live in Syria, you have something on the press and then you have something on the ground in front of your eyes.

Starting point is 00:07:06 And you see that the driving force behind the insurgency in Syria were the same al-Qaeda times. Now, I have moved from, let's say, more activism between 2011 to 2017. This was the phase where I did a lot of activism on social media platforms into more doing research about these cases. In 2017, I started my YouTube channel. And this was the same year I remember Jeffrey Sachs back in the day. He was on MSNBC. Still, they used to host him on Maincy Media. outlets. And he said something like Donald Trump's gut feeling is correct. He has to withdraw from Syria.

Starting point is 00:07:43 Back in the day there was a debate about withdrawing or not from Syria. He said, we have done enough damage to the Syrian people. We killed half a million people. I was like, okay, continue. And he said, this was a CIA project called Operation Timber Sycamore. It was a covered operation and signed by Barack Obama to destabilize Syria and use this Takfiri jihad. is basically to Aus Assad. This was the first time I heard about Operation Timber Sycamber, and then when you dig in, you notice that, actually, this is the second most costliest cooperation in the history of the CIA.

Starting point is 00:08:23 They are basically spending, or they have spent $1 billion per year over this al-Qaeda, takfiri jihadists in Syria. And this was in 2017, when Donald Trump ended Operation Timber Sycamir, because Trump thought that it's too costly for the strategy, for the US strategy. And he said, we could choke Syria through economic sanctions, through economic warfare. Why are we spending all this money? So he didn't really end the war. He just replaced it from a military warfare into an economic warfare.

Starting point is 00:08:56 And this was more brutal for the Syrian people because these sanctions impoverished 95% of the Syrian people and sent them below the poverty line. Now, during this time when I was doing research, I found one document for the Defense Intelligence Agency of the U.S. dated in 2012. And this is a report that the American Defense Intelligence Agency basically submitting to President Obama and telling him in this report that the driving force behind the insurgency in Syria are the al-Qaeda in Iraq, the Salafi jihadists and the Muslim borders. And then we have the Wikileaks document, Wikileaks which published the emails of Hillary Clinton, and then you have the advisor of Hillary Clinton back in the day. He used to work for her, Jake Sullivan, who later became the national security advisor for Joe Biden,

Starting point is 00:09:47 basically saying, quote, al-Qaeda is on our side in Syria. Okay. Then in 2021, we have the former U.S. envoy to Syria, James Jeffrey. telling to the press to BBS, it's not like something leaked. He says, Jolani's army, which is a.k.a. Al-Qaeda franchise in Syria is, quote, it's a strategic asset. It's an asset for the U.S. strategy in Syria. This is what he told the press. And then you have the former ambassador to Syria, Robert Ford, basically. after the overthrow of Assad and Assad was ousted in December 2024,

Starting point is 00:10:28 in mid-2020-five, Robert Ford gave a lecture to some think tanks, and you know how arrogant artists people are, and the ego in them sometimes speaks because they think they're smart. They're not smart. They're vile. They're arrogant. They're criminal, but they're not as smart as they think they are.

Starting point is 00:10:49 And I will tell you why I think they're not smart. they're not smart. Basically, he said, guys, I trained this guy. Like, I trained this guy who is now the president of Syria. And basically, I took him out of the terrorism world. So we have lots of evidence in Syria that al-Qaeda has been a contract army for the United States. It's the boots on the ground for the U.S. Empire in Syria. And I'm quoting here, Professor Mikhail Hudson.

Starting point is 00:11:22 I remember in one of his interviews, I believe in 2018 or 2019, he said basically that we, the Americans, we supported the crisis in Afghanistan and we supported the crisis in Ukraine, the neo-Nazis, and now we are supporting the crisis in Syria. Those are the al-Qaeda. And he said, Al-Qaeda is basically a contract army for the United States. I mean, when something like this comes from an, you know, intellectual and academic authority, it also gives you more self-confidence to really come to this conclusion and say, yes, Al-Qaeda was and still is a contract army of the United States,

Starting point is 00:12:00 to the point that now, as we speak, the Jolani army basically, they're threatening Lebanon with an invasion to fight against Hezbollah, when Hezbollah is now facing a ground invasion from the Israeli occupation forces in the south. So what the Jolani hDS regime is doing, they're sending reinforcement to the north of Lebanon, and they are also on the Bikha Valley, where the Israelis are trying to fight against Hezbollah as well, and they're sending multinational Takfiri jihadists there, threatening Lebanon with this ground invasion, because they say, and they claim that Hezbollah has violated the sovereignty of Syria. First thing, Syria doesn't have sovereignty.

Starting point is 00:12:49 Syria's sovereignty is torn apart by multiple international and regional powers. We have five to six foreign forces on Syrian territories. And beside that, we have all this multinational tech freedom from all around the world. Israel violates the Syrian airspace every day. Israel expands on Syrian territories every day. Israel captures and kidnaps Syrian civilians and takes them to Israel, every day, not a single bullet is being shot from the Jolani government against Israeli occupation forces, not a single one. And please remember, Brian, that during the past 14 years, these people were so brave.

Starting point is 00:13:31 They were like rambos, right, against their own national army against the Syrian Arab army. And they have carried out thousands of suicide attacks, car bombs, rocket attacks, anti-tank missiles, the Americans gave them the, what do they call the stingers, and all these missiles that they have at the cornet rockets, for example, where are they now? Why are they using them against Israel? Because this regime is installed in Damascus after a consensus and an agreement between Turkey, Israel, and the United States.

Starting point is 00:14:11 They have brought these three powers, they have brought Jolani to power. During the peak of the conflict between Lebanon, Hellebanese Hezbollah and Israel, when Nasrallah was assassinated, they reactivated the regime change because they found that Hezbollah has been destabilized and has withdrawn its forces from Syria, and it was an opportunity for them to knock out Assad in this case. So basically Turkey, in this case, is 100% embedded with the Zionist project in the region by hitting one of the players in this. access of resistance to kick out or knock out Assad and break the chain between Lebanon, which goes through Syria all the way to Iraq and from Iraq to Iran. So what basically they did, they cut this chain between Tehran and Beirut.

Starting point is 00:15:03 And Erdogan has taken credit for it multiple times. Natanjano has taken credit for himself multiple times. Trump said that I put this guy in power in Syria. So it's very overwhelming. And just very quickly, these people like Robert Ford and the rest, between 2013, actually, to 2015 until I left Lebanon, I have participated in several NGO workshops in Beirut organized by these think tanks, American think tanks, John McCain Institute, President Jimmy Carter's, Institute. And when you were there, all these so-called brains that you see them on TV outlets who are giving prophecies about Syria, they join each other's workshops. They're there. And during the tea time, the coffee time, I found that these people think during my conversation that we are

Starting point is 00:16:09 idiots. Like we, when I say we, we, we the Syrian people, they think that we are intellectually below them, that they could treat us in a way like we are shippered and they truly believe that we are incapable of managing our own affairs and they're there basically to teach us how we can build a state. And once you start challenging them and showing them their limit, you're already being treated like this, you know, very annoying guy in the, in, in this workshop, because the rest, unfortunately, and this is something that I have to say, very disappointing, that many, many Syrian people who participated in these workshops, they loved to leak the boots of these people because these people secured them jobs, scholarships, and visas in America. That's why you see that there

Starting point is 00:17:07 was an incentive also for many people to join the anti-Assad wagon because you gain a lot from it. You gain jobs. You gain money. You gain fame, medals, prizes. It's a lot. It's a lot. But these people cared about everything except for their countries. And this is very shameful. And the Iranians nowadays, in my opinion, forget about these monarchists. I think they are the minority. Iranians have shown to the world how respectable people they, they are and how you can stand with your country and with your nation and put your differences aside with your government and defend your nation because this is your country. Yeah, I agree.

Starting point is 00:17:48 And I would compare it to the time before 79 under the rule of the Shah, right? Where there was plenty of people, Western and Iranian, who just benefited wildly at the oligarch, top elitist at 1%, you know, and it's funny how we misrepresent that, or rather the government and the narratives of the media. I mean, you could literally ask Iraq, a platform run by Elon Musk, and it will tell you that the vast majority of people who are living in poverty and squalor, you know, and you know this. But so that's the way that that gets framed, right?

Starting point is 00:18:15 Yeah, some of them, definitely. But it's clearly not the benefit of the Iranian people or the Lebanese people or the Syrian people or wherever this is taking place. Before I move it, I want to go into more of that. Thank you for that outstanding timeline. I mean, that's just, I think you'll even wait people up to that just by what you outlined right there. And we'll include source material. So make sure you check it out.

Starting point is 00:18:33 Before we go more into that, though, some questions on what you said, about Turkey. Because clearly, as you've seen, this is becoming an interesting talking point in the conversation, right, where Israel is threatening that Turkey will be next, for example. How do you read that with what you were saying? Actually, it's a love and hate relationship between Turkey and Israel in the region, but they share a similar goal. The similar goal is to keep the Iranian influence away from the Levant because it challenges Turkish and Israeli leverage in the region. So they agree on picking the Iranian influence out of Syria, out of Lebanon.

Starting point is 00:19:13 That's why they have cooperated in Syria. And they have cooperated also nowadays. They're cooperating in Lebanon in a bit to crush Hezbollah this time, right? But after, when you have a regime change and things are over, what about the day after the regime change? And this is the question that many people were asking. So what about the day after Assad? And nobody had an answer for it.

Starting point is 00:19:38 But because the Americans have found a formula in Syria and they said, look, Israelis in the south of Syria, this is your sphere of influence. And then we have the Turkish sphere of influence in the north. And in the central Syria, we will give it to, it's like a buffer zone that the Russians are having their military presence, where they would separate between. the Israeli and the Turkish influence there, right? It's a mockery for, to be honest with you, for geopolitics, for history, for our intellectual capacity,

Starting point is 00:20:11 that nowadays we live in an era that it's a direct and indirect occupation of your country and it's being sold to you as a freedom, as a democracy, as prosperity. Now, Turkey is the first Islamic country which recognized Israel in the region. region. Turkey, during the active genocide against the Palestinians, has not used its energy leverage against Israel. It has continuously sent the Azeri gas, which I believe is around 60% of the

Starting point is 00:20:47 Israeli needs, from through the Chiham Port to Israel. Nowadays, the Americans have given the Israelis Turkish made weapons through NATO cargo ships to Israel to use them against who, against the Lebanese, right? So I think one of the siops in the region was Erdogan. Erdogan has a big mouse against Israel. And the people of the region like rhetoric, like talking, like this strong man saying the right things against Israel. But when it comes to actions, Turkey has done, I wouldn't even say very little, actually.

Starting point is 00:21:30 Turkey's role was to bring the people, especially the Sunni people, who have felt after the invasion of Iraq and the humiliation that they received by the Americans, that these people have been humiliated and subjugated by the Americans, and now you need someone who pretends and comes and tells them, I'm here to uplift you from your misery. But the desire here is that the Arabic people and the Levantine people are not Turks. Now they're selling their agency to Turkey by trying to associate embed themselves with Turkey. And Turkey is an imperialist imperial power in the region with a long history of occupation of this country for 400 years and these people for 400 years. So Erdogan came, presented itself as the savior of these oppressed people in the region with, great pro-Palestinian talk and has taken them into his side and then shifted their anger and their alarm basically from Israel into the Shias.

Starting point is 00:22:34 Like you see in the region that there is this active attempt to turn this into a Shia Sunni war. One of the men who is actively playing this role is Erdogan and the second one is Qatar. Qatar has poured billions and billions of dollars in creating new public opinion and shifting narratives in the region and played a very dirty sectarian war, Sunnis against Shi'as against Sunnis against Al-Oides. If any of your respected audience understand Arabic and they followed the coverage of Al-Jazeera in Syria, you would be horrified to listen what they're talking and how they're inciting. sectarian violence against the minorities in Syria. And whose interest does this sectarian talk serve? It serves the Israeli interest because in the region,

Starting point is 00:23:30 if the Sunnis and the Shias are united, then their mutual enemy, it will be seen as Israel. So if you divide them and they turn them against each other, then the Islamic Ummah, so-called, turns against each other, fights against each other. And this is the exact same recipe now, that the other day I was listening to Senator Lindsay Graham, the pervert, who was basically saying this is a religious war.

Starting point is 00:23:57 This is like a holy war, right? And in his mind, he wants this to be a religious war. He wants to turn this war into sectarian war, because first, it brings all the Christian Zionists on the side of Israel. Secondly, it brings all these Sunni people in the region on the side of these monarchies. to fight against Iran. This is what they have been cooking for a long time. However, in the collective consciousness of the people, like when you watch these videos, those are just amateur videos, but they're indication what the people believe, right? You live in Jordanian, and you're

Starting point is 00:24:34 Jordanian and your government is basically siding with Israel. It's actually firing against Iranian missiles not to fall inside Israel, but then you see this amateur videos of people are recording these missiles and celebrating the missiles going to Israel. You see the same thing in Lebanon. You see the same thing inside Israel, which is Palestinian occupied territories, Palestinians celebrating in these amateur videos that these missiles are coming. Not out of hatred. This is something very important. I believe that many people we need to explain because the conversation is always, yeah, because they hate the Jewish people. They hate the Jews. No, these people have been living along the Jewish people for centuries.

Starting point is 00:25:18 And at certain historical times when they were kicked out out of Spain or Portugal, they came to the Arabic word, they came to Morocco, they went to Nigeria, they went to Libya, and they came also to the Middle East. They were safe in Iraq, they were safe in Syria, they were safe in Lebanon. The only time it has become this sensitivity among the people in the region, Jewish and the Middle East, and non-Jewish, when Israel was created as a political entity, and Israel claimed to be a Jewish state and represents all the Jewish people, so the Jewish people inside the Arabic countries have become like a natural suspect in the eyes of the people.

Starting point is 00:26:03 If Israel says that we represent the Jewish people and we're occupying your land and we're killing your own people, and we want to bring all the Jewish people from all around the world into this one place. So imagine the type of psychological, in my opinion, warfare they have waged in the region to bring this into the context of a Jewish against Muslim war. And this is not a religious war. In my eyes, it's not a religious war. For me, it's a war against the imperial powers and the people who stand behind the imperial powers. Because nowadays, somebody when identifies as an anti-imperialist, I think it's an understatement. There is even powers above this imperial powers.

Starting point is 00:26:44 We're talking about dynasties. We're talking about hidden networks above them that are feeding these imperial powers with money, logistics, and the cover-up for all these crimes that they're committing all around the world, including the recent genocide in Gaza, in my opinion. Yeah, well, I agree. And I was actually just going to pull up, I'll include the show notes, your article about the network above Epstein. Now, but back to the religious war part about this,

Starting point is 00:27:09 And this is really interesting to me because I agree with exactly what you were laying out there. But I'm sure you would concede that from Israel's perspective, from the religious Zionism perspective, and not even necessarily the Sunni Shia discussion, from Zionism's perspective, the way that they're, you know, greater Israel, that this is a religious war on everything else, right? And so this is what's interesting to me is, and you tell me what you think. I feel like this has almost always been at the undercurrent of what they've created the Sunni Shia, you know, the Shia kind of divide creation. And what's interesting is that seems to be the Saudi Arabian part of this. And I'm sure you're familiar with the history of that with the U.S. and Israel sort of creating this construct. So it's interesting is without Saudi Arabia as that entity, which is kind of confounding with the way they discuss things anyway about radical Muslim, you know, Islam.

Starting point is 00:27:54 And it's just interesting that without that that wouldn't necessarily exist. Tell me what you think about that. But then more so about the, you know, Lindsay Graham saying it's a religious war. Do you think he was trying to imply the Sunni-Shi-Shi point or that it was literally talking about Israel? and the Zionism part of it. That's how I read that. Go ahead. I think he was referring to both because in his eyes, of course, this is a religious crusade against the Persian Empire. This is how they see it from a historical perspective. But when you see on the ground, for example, if this is a crusade, then why would Saudi Arabia participate on the side of the crusaders?

Starting point is 00:28:29 Now, many people are asking questions about the American installations in Qatar, in Kuwait, in Bahrain, in Omar. in Saudi Arabia and other UAE and other Gulf, Persian Gulf monarchies. Those are not simply defensive weapons aimed at the missiles coming from Iran, because Iran has no interest in fighting against its Arab and neighboring countries. Those technologies installed there, the early alarm systems, is to help Israel. Like how does Israel know that these missiles are coming? Because they have, Americans have this early, how to say this, that they send them an alarm that the missile is coming. And those are on the front lines, not in Jordan, not in Palestine.

Starting point is 00:29:22 One of what they took out, as I understand, in Qatar, in Qatar. Yeah. In Qatar, yes. So, see, Qatar also represents itself as an anti-Israeli force. they have a big mouse in Al Jazeera, but this is again, it's a Sao. What they do is, on one hand, they gain credibility by verbally supporting the Palestine cause, and on the other hand, they fight against the people and the actors, let's say, who are supporting and giving tangible support to the Palestinians, including Syria, Iran, Hezbollah.

Starting point is 00:29:51 When you see now the coverage of Al Jazeera, which is a state on TV outlet, it's quite obvious that they are anti-Hizbullah and they're anti-Iran. And they have these military installations there. Now, the religious aspect of it, this is very important because Lindsay Graham is, of course, speaking from the context of trying to create this religious war that is going to bring the Messiah back. And this is something very weird for me because the Zionists have a different opinion about the coming of Messiah. For them, Jesus Christ, it didn't come yet. And the Christian Zionists want him to come for the second time. So even the goal, the end goal is different between them, which makes me believe that these people are just using religion for geopolitical purposes.

Starting point is 00:30:40 Because you can truly sell these talking points to the boomers, to the, sorry to say the idiots. The other day I was watching Donald Trump giving a speech telling his audience and these hundreds of people behind him and in front of him that we won from day one in Iran. everybody was like celebrating it. That means that these people have no clue what is going on around the world. But Israel portraying it as a religious war, it makes it very hard for us not to be accused of being an anti-Semit, Semite, because they take this into the religious war. They take it like, this is a war between the Jews against the anti-Semites, right? This is how they frame it.

Starting point is 00:31:23 So once we... In separate categories, really. Yeah. But we don't see it that. way. And we don't want to see it that way. We want to see it from our geopolitical perspective, but they, because they own the press, they try to have their grip over the talking points and the narratives. So the moment you're coming to criticize a policy, you turn into an anti-Semite because they wanted to become a religious war. And this is exactly why they have allowed

Starting point is 00:31:54 the beginning of Hamas. Hamas as an organization in the 80s in Gaza, it was a fringe organization. And the PLO was the bigger organization. Now the Palestinian resistance groups between 48 to the late 80s, they were mostly nationalists, left-wing, socialist, communist, Syrian nationalists, for example, etc. And they have spoken this universal, they have argued with this universal terminologies about colonialism, anti-imperialism.

Starting point is 00:32:30 They have connected the issue of Palestine with the issue of the South Africa and the apartheid. So many people around the world have understood the struggle of the Palestinians. And this was a counterproductive for the Israelis because they were losing the narrative in Western countries, where the people were saying we shouldn't colonize the rest of the world. world. We shouldn't have our presence in South Africa. We shouldn't support apartheid here. If we shouldn't support apartheid in South Africa, then we shouldn't support apartheid also in Israel and Palestine, right? So what they do basically, they go after every single Palestinian leader, political leader, intellectual, public opinion leader, intellectuals, writers, authors, poets,

Starting point is 00:33:14 everyone, they have killed, assassinated with car bombs in Beirut, in Syria, in Palestine. They have left no one, basically, to speak this universal language. And then in the late 80s, you have Israel, basically, because they want to finally kill these nationalistic, patriotic movements inside the Palestinian people. they have allowed and turned a blind eye and facilitated the spawn of Hamas as a counter way for the PLO to fight against the PLO. And back in the day, the PLO was not some bunch of traitors and collaborators like it is the case today with Mahmoud Abbas in the Fatah, right?

Starting point is 00:33:59 Back in the day, they were legit and they were struggling against Israelis. So they created an internal fall, basically, against the PLO, and they turned them against each other because as we started this conversation together, the natural enemy of the Islamists are these nationalists, are this socialists, are these patriotic people, because the Islamists believe in an Islamic caliphate. And the Islamic caliphate is transnational. It's not national. And these movements in Palestine were national movements. They believed in this border set, right? So the Islamists wanted to create a borderless like this.

Starting point is 00:34:39 Islamic Caliphate tried to do between Iraq and Syria back in the day. And this idea came in the mid-1920s in Egypt when the Brits were the mandate power in Egypt, and the resistance against them was coming from the nationalist and the left wings. So instead of fighting against them, you allow and facilitate the creation of an enemy for them, and thus were the Islamists. So back in the day, they supported the emergence and the start of the Muslim brothers in the late 1920s. And since then, Egypt has become like paralyzed. All the time you have, even during Jamal Abdel Nassar time, the Muslim borders,

Starting point is 00:35:27 they were the ones fighting against Jamal Abdel Nassav, although he was one of the most famous, let's say, and influential leaders in the Arab world. He had great ideas, which in my opinion on paper, they were great, but practically they were very difficult to implement. In any ways, all I'm saying is this Islamists have been instrumentalized for a very, very long time by the Brits, by the Americans, by the Israelis. Yeah, and what I find really interesting about what you said right there is this interesting arc of, you know, I mean, my opinion about any part of our government is they'll say whatever they need to say to get people to support them. I don't think they believe in just about anything, but you get this argument of, you know, America first, nationalism from the Republican side, you know, the more global perspective from the left. And yet what we look at is all of them have been supporting and arming and shipping around and, you know,

Starting point is 00:36:16 with the ISIS, Al-Qaeda elements, which the way you frame that is arguably fighting for more of a globalist perspective versus the groups that they want to frame as the bad guys who are arguably fighting for more of a nationalist. It's just kind of it's, if you understand it, it's, you know, I guess humorous in its own way because these people are so dishonest, but it's, you know, so real of what they're carrying out. One other point I wanted to get into about before we move on to some of the Iran elements and some sleeper cell conversation is Netanyahu in all this right now. I want your thought on why this is happening now because, you know, well, my thought, the way I see this right now and you don't tell me what you think about it is ultimately that you have what they've been wanting from the U.S. to go out Iran for a very long time. As we've all been covering, it's like self-evident at this point, how long Netanyahu has been trying to make that happen. And it's obvious that he's been becoming more and more and popular, even especially because of post-October 7th in Israel, because of the understanding they have about the way he handled that,

Starting point is 00:37:08 the warning, the whole thing. And so why suddenly, with how unstable this seems to be, do you think that Yahoo is suddenly kind of pulling Lebanon into this? And, you know, the other elements, do you feel like this is his, like, do you feel he feels like this window to accomplish this might be closing? And is maybe that why it's all happening? If not, why do you think this is all kind of coming down right now from next? I think Nathanieho believes that Donald Trump is a golden opportunity for him.

Starting point is 00:37:34 I have heard a conspiracy theory the other day from a friend. I'm not going to mention his name now because it's his conspiracy theory. Maybe he would like to share it later. He said in 2016, there was this Russia gate in the United States, and there was this hysteria that Donald Trump is basically supported by Russia and Hillary Clinton made a big issue out of it. And he said the real issue was that it was Israel. who was intervening in the elections in favor of Donald Trump.

Starting point is 00:38:02 But nobody dared to name Israel. So everybody was blaming Russia back in the day for Trump. And remember that Trump came, he moved the embassy to Jerusalem, and he recognized the Golan Heights as Israeli territory. He gave explicit right for the Brits and others to take out the oil also from the Golan Heights. he chalked the Syrian economy to the extent that Syria has become completely paralyzed, and then the regime change happened due to these sanctions. It was these sanctions which also Assad and not the CIA covert operation,

Starting point is 00:38:40 which was initially started in 2011. And he said publicly more than once that he gave that specifically because Miriam Adelson asked him to and gave money to his campaign. I think it's more than that, but that's on the record. Exactly, exactly. And now that after October 7, of course, I believe October 7, just for the record that it was a let it happen incident, that the Israelis knew that Hamas is going to do.

Starting point is 00:39:03 I'm not saying that Hamas was cooperating with Israel. All I'm saying is definitely Israel knew, and definitely they had spies among the Hamas elements. They knew exactly what is going to happen, and they allowed it to happen, activated the Hannibal Directive to kill as many Israelis possible. You can do atrocity propaganda, and you go for genocide. So they believe that these...

Starting point is 00:39:27 undecisive, let's say, victory in Gaza and undecisive victory in Lebanon against Hezbollah after the capitation of the leadership. And then the regime change in Syria, it's a decisive victory for them, that this is a golden opportunity now to go after Iran. And once you go after Iran, the entire region will be under what the people call nowadays the Pact Judaica empire. So what Israel is trying to do is to replace the Americans, basically, the Pan-American with the Pact Judaica in the region and extend.

Starting point is 00:39:57 from the Nile to the Euphrates to the extent that even American officials who must represent American interests, they're talking like they're Israeli officials. Mike Hacabee, when I watch him with Tucker Carson, I, like, if I don't know him at all, and I'm like no one, and you tell me, who do you think this guy is? I would say he's the ambassador of Israel in the United States, right? So when he was asked about the greater Israel project, he said he's fine with the expansion of Israel between the Nile and the Euphrates. So how would you do that when there is Israel?

Starting point is 00:40:30 Sorry, when there is Iran. Iran is the only state actor in the world. In the world, you can go from the far east to the far west. It's the only power, only state actor in the world, which is actively and with tangible actions, struggling against this project in the region. So unless you have this power diminished, or put at check, as they say, to minimize the power of Iran or do regime change, it's going to be very hard for you to expand in the region.

Starting point is 00:41:08 And this expansion, some people think that it can be through just military means. No, greater Israel project doesn't have to be an occupation through soldiers. It can be that it is under indirect Israeli financial control, under indirect economic control, that these countries are dependent on the Israeli and American products and Israeli and American protection and Israeli and American technologies. Like all these people, for example, speak about how the Emirates and Saudi Arabia are becoming advanced and they are buying all these technologies.

Starting point is 00:41:46 But they're just importing these technologies. How many of these technologies are created or invented or developed inside these countries? none, which means the greater Israel project doesn't really have to be like a map that Israel has stretched between the Nile to the Uphrates. All it has to be that this region is under the influence and the leverage and the patronage of these powers who represent the Pact Shredaica power. And in this case, if you knock out Iran, then you have from all the way from Iran to the Nile, basically, in Egypt, is under the direct or indirect control of Israel.

Starting point is 00:42:25 And this is why I think the Iranians also saw it as an existential threat. And that's why we can see the type of reaction that they have done, which surprised their friends and shocked their enemies. I mean, I was surprised. And I have also confessed on my show and other shows that I was wrong. And I thought that Iran at some point will bend the knee because they have to, their allies were decimated in the region. when we talk about the Palestinian, Syrian, and the Lebanese in this case. And I thought that when Iran comes to the point where they have to choose between a war or a compromise, they will compromise.

Starting point is 00:43:03 But it turned out that even during the negotiation when they were willing to compromise, that the Israelis were planning something else. And I think they have given Iranians a service by attacking them, that Iran now has to go to war and has seen it as existential to the extent that now the Americans and the Israelis are asking for a ceasefire. the Iranians are saying there is no ceasefire is the end of the negotiations, not the beginning of the negotiations. Cis fire means that we have to agree on the minimum and the minimum here that not now, not

Starting point is 00:43:35 in the future there is going to be war against Iran, not now, not in the future, there is going to be war against Hezbollah. We will impose our deterrence and most importantly all these bases in the region that Americans have established, they have to withdraw. And it doesn't mean that these forces. have to go home, because some people think that Iranians want for all the U.S. forces to go home. All they're asking is that these installations have to be pure defensive. If they are there to install air defenses, for example, that's fine.

Starting point is 00:44:06 But if you're there to spy on us, when you're there to have your fighter jets, when you're there carrying your Tomahawk missiles and pointed at gun at us, then that's the thing that we won't tolerate. And this is similar to what the Russians are telling to the Americans. we're not going to stop this war until a new security architecture is being established in Eastern Europe, meaning American NATO bases have to withdraw at least strategic weapons to Germany back 1991 line. And this is the same what the Iranians are trying to do in the Middle East nowadays. So this is very important.

Starting point is 00:44:43 Imagine that Iranians are fighting for the Arabs and for themselves, and these Arabic countries are fighting against Iran. What does that? As you rightly pointed out and added to back it up, that these governments, you get in particular, as you mentioned, have been normalized, if you will. And that doesn't mean their people support that. Their governments have been placed there, clearly do. But to your point before we go into the sleeper cell discussion,

Starting point is 00:45:07 and I will come back to, we can end with the point about, you know, the Iran war justification and when we were briefly touching on there, I want to play this clip that I play all the time. I'm sure you've seen this because it's very relevant to what you just said. First, not just, and I do think it will end up like this, at least as they see it with occupation of these locations, but you're right to point out that it's not just that. It's influence. It's, you know, security contracts, intelligence, you know, actual, you know, equipment on the ground. And so thinking of that, part of this worry for me is not just that it's Israel trying to seize these locations. I do believe that is the outcome. But what it means for them to basically control through these intelligence contracts and, you know, delivering their spyware and their equipment everywhere. in the world that they make these partnerships and that I think is very relevant to the sleeper cell point we'll get into next but i'm sure you've seen this to just set this in people's minds before we get into that how did you convince Hezbollah to buy this well obviously they didn't

Starting point is 00:46:03 know that they were buying it from israel who did they buy it from or i think they were buying it from we have an incredible array of possibilities of creating foreign companies that have no way being traced back to Israel, shell companies over shell companies who affect the supply chain to our favor. We create a pretend world. We are a global production company. We write the screenplay. We're the directors, where the producers, we're the main actors, the world is our stage. The fact that is publicly said is amazing to me. And there's a state really quickly for those that always, you know, rightly so question and push back about everything we should. But remember, remember this was this was set up by the Israeli government it was endorsed by these really government

Starting point is 00:46:48 so people often point out they they're lying or whatever maybe right but the point is they're stressing to the world we create fake companies to manipulate the supply chain which is a crime but also the point i'm making about this is surveillance spyware what we know is we mean there's two examples of just this administration or even going back to the first administration where they were caught putting stingright devices at the white house during trump's administration you know this is not new right Wilkerson will tell you they run the Pentagon according to his boss you know so it's crazy to me so first if you just have any comments on that and let's overlap this so with the Iranian sleeper cell point I just sent you I just sent your private message now on on this browser you can check let's play

Starting point is 00:47:27 also this video it's the former head of Mossad also talking about how they compromise electronics all around the world and this is just one and a minute this one this is I actually I believe I believe I shared those two videos out when this came out, so side by side, because the same thing, like these two videos together, I don't know how you ignore the reality of this. Let me grab it really quickly. Go ahead and set it up. I'll grab the video. Yeah. You know, the problem for me is the how they come with these ideas, you know, like this is the thing for me is the creativity in how to harm. not only your enemies, but also your friends. This is something psychological, in my opinion, that has to be studied. Because at no point I have seen this type of actions, even among allies.

Starting point is 00:48:19 Like, they spy on each other, but they don't compromise and put explosives inside electronics in friendly countries or send it deliberately to someone. I think it's unprecedented to see this type of creativity. in creating evil, you know, and for me, that is a terrifying part that it's not what they're capable of, but rather because if you invest enough money and energy and studies and research about something evil, you can do it as well. But you have to come first with the idea. That's the thing for me, that the idea of creating a fake supply chain and delivering what we call them booby-tapped electronics to thousands and thousands of people carry.

Starting point is 00:49:06 by, you know, this is something that is important for the people to understand. What is Hezbollah, you know? Like, they think that Hezbollah people are some masked people sitting on the hill, 24-7 hours, having their AK-47 guns pointed at Israel. And Hezbollah people are just ordinary people in Lebanon. They are pharmacists. They are doctors. They are engineers.

Starting point is 00:49:34 They are farmers. They are barbers. they are snack shop owners. They're just normal people, and their towns are in southern Lebanon, and they're fighting against Israeli occupation forces, and they receive training through Hezbollah. And Hezbollah also includes political wing, educational wing, health institutions, educational universities, for example,

Starting point is 00:49:57 small financial institutions, banking, and those are just civilians. They have not carried arms, and they were not militants in Hezbollah. And they also carried these walkie-talkies. And some of these walkie-talkies were basically at home. And all of a sudden it rang. And then the child came, oh, daddy, the phone is ringing.

Starting point is 00:50:17 And it blew up on the face of the babies. Those are, in my opinion, pure evil, you know, what they have done with this. And it has just gone. I'm not going to say unnoticed, but there is no. I mean, Ryan, I'm being. being very honestly, I don't really believe any longer that there is rules-based international order, international law and all these things. They're just facade. They can kill half a million of us. They can kill a million of us. They won't blink an eye. Like imagine for one and a half year,

Starting point is 00:50:52 Hezbollah has not fired a single bullet at Israel. And they were restrained and they followed the ceasefire agreement. Israel violated the Swiss War agreement over how many, How many times do you think they violated? Just give me a number. With thousands. That's what I heard. It's different reporting, but thousands. It's over 10,000 times. Right. Over 10,000 times violated the Sisar Agreement and killed 500 civilians during this time. In the past four days, they killed over 600 civilians in Lebanon.

Starting point is 00:51:25 And the moment Hezbollah fired rockets back at Israel, the EU, the EU comes and they condemn Hezbollah and like it has become scandalous for us because you don't have to like Hezbollah to at least acknowledge that Israel has violated this Israel agreement 10,000 times. And what is the use then of the EU? So what are you basically? If you are just parroting every single talking point of the US and the US is basically stepping over you, humiliating you and calling you like a useless vassal, this is how they see you. then like there is no I mean I remember back in the day when I was younger there was some still dignity

Starting point is 00:52:09 and there was some dignified politicians even in the West even in Europe you know like they used to say no for such humiliation nowadays like America is telling we will occupy your greenland you have your cars to play with the United States in Iran in in the Middle East with Israel but you're just copying what America says and now you expect what from America basically because they see you following them anyways. So they're committing strategics, in my opinion, suicide. And the EU is over, like at least in my eyes. I don't see like EU is as a credible functioning body any longer. They're just following anyways. So I think this will lead into the end of the, of, of the EU in a matter of few years, probably decades, some people say. Because the EU was built on the premise that

Starting point is 00:53:01 this is a free continent, you have free speech, we are the mediators, we could mediate when there is. I mean, Germany used to play a mediation role between Israel and Hezbollah. And back in the day, what was Hezbollah? Back in the day, Hezbollah was not a terrorist organization and now it's a terrorist organization. Why do you want to consider it now a terrorist organization? Why have you sold your previous role which you were playing an active role in the Middle East, right? So now you're irrelevant because you just sidelined yourself by calling everyone a terrorist, which basically fought against Israel. It makes no sense. But I mean, if I say more, then I will be in trouble. So let's use the surface change. I think it's clear how this has

Starting point is 00:53:52 gone over the years is it's a slow infiltration. It's not even secret. This is a manipulation of these entities in order to stop them from pushing back against this larger agenda, which I see at this point this border. It's this is the great reset. This is globalism. This is all, these are all different elements of this same kind of conglomerate of this agenda. Now just before we move past this, just the same idea, Israel's foreign ministry literally has the goal to come out and say that this was an unprovoked attack by Lebanon, you know, but this is, it's clear where these narratives are driving from, you know, they play this clip before we get too far away from the last one. So remember the setting up fake companies to affect the supply chain.

Starting point is 00:54:28 And this is the former head of Mossad making it clear that these technology, the technology that they were just discussing is in every country. It has been for a very long time. And if the numbers on a pager attack, as I remember correctly, was over 75% women and children. That's what I remember. Let me know if that's accurate. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:54:44 And it's a surprise. Many, many. Surprises. Yeah. Like the intelligence surprises. Pages, walkie, talk you. Do you know how many equipment, I mean, treated equipment, do we have in these countries?

Starting point is 00:54:52 You can't, you're not. I do. You mean booby-trapped equipment? Not only booby-trapped and spying. Manipated equipment. In which countries you're talking about?

Starting point is 00:55:03 All the countries that you can imagine. So that's them admitting that that's in the United States, right? And in this interview, there is something very important happened, and I think it deserves an attention, that this guy claims that they're spying everywhere around the world. Like, they have their compromised electronics, they're spying on friendly countries and enemy countries, But somehow they didn't spy on Hamas when they carried out October 7.

Starting point is 00:55:29 Like they compromised Hezbollah. They assassinated Nasrallah. They compromised people inside Iran. They assassinated the leader. Many of the top generals, including the Supreme Leader, they assassinated Hamas official inside Iran, inside his hotel room through WhatsApp message, which he sent. But somehow they didn't spy on the enemy.

Starting point is 00:55:54 me on the border here preparing for a parachute attack with some helicopter. You saw this with paddles. They were, it's unbelievable. Who can't believe that this was a surprise attack? Nobody. I mean, this is the thing, not even Israelis believe that today. That's what's so interesting about the control they have over the mainstream narrative that just refuses to budge despite the facts in everybody else's opinion.

Starting point is 00:56:19 You know, and it shows you. That's self-evident to me. You can decide the nuance about how that's being done. But threats, money, whatever, that's clear, you know, and that's my opinion, right? But so right here, this is so, it's obvious what we're discussing and this is alarming. You're talking about a foreign government that's committing genocide that clearly has control enough to stop these governments from acknowledging that, who is essentially threatening. You know, here, Trump, here's a golden pageer you can set in your office.

Starting point is 00:56:42 Like this is, these are meant to be in my mind threats. Netanyahu in his one America, one Israel 50 states forum that 200 something congressman came to sit at. He said, and I've played this so many times, I can't get passed out clear this is. He says, he's talking about something else. I think he's talking about weaponry or something has no connection to it. He just pivots and goes, you have a phone in your pocket? That was made in Israel.

Starting point is 00:57:04 And then it goes on to something completely irrelevant. And how do you miss what that means? That's my opinion still, right? But I know we have a limited time today, probably about maybe 13 more minutes. So let's get into the point about the sleeper cells. And just, you know, we can just briefly cover this. Let me just rattle off some points here, I think, irrelevant. and then we can kind of end with this point because, you know, my whole point showing this, guys,

Starting point is 00:57:24 is it's obvious there are Israeli assets welcomed by the U.S. government. I mean, Wilkerson, again, will tell you on the record that they have assets or Kierkao, by the way. Former CIA says they knew how many unidentified Israeli assets were in the country that they allowed to be there, right? So I'm not suggesting it's not possible. In fact, I would tell you it's absolutely possible that Iranian sleeper cells could exist in this country. But I believe with all this being said and how much we can see, and Iran, by the way, not yet attacking the U.S. as a country, even though they would have the legal right to because of what the U.S. government is doing, it makes me question all of this, right?

Starting point is 00:57:56 And whether they're setting this up to create a false flag or just to threaten this. But this happened before. And I'm sure you saw this one. This was back on the June 24th, 2025, where they came out and they said, we arrested 11 Iranian assets or sleeper cells. And they literally, you got had a literal army ID from Iran. I just laughed at that going because it's customary for secret sleeper cells to be carrying their identification.

Starting point is 00:58:17 It later turned out these were just people. I mean, it certainly could have been that we couldn't prove, but I felt like that was a lie. I'm not a huge supporter of some of the partisan elements here, but Ryan Mata pointed out that he interviewed some of these people, and it turned out they were just regular Iranian people. It's from the MAGA side of it. We have Hague Seths saying this. I'll play it really quickly. This is back from March 2nd. It turns about Iranian sleeper cells and kind of what has the Trump administration been doing to kind of monitor these drugs?

Starting point is 00:58:45 All across the interagency in full coordination. Of course, we're paying attention to any potentialities there. This is a former regime, a regime that seeks to export that ideology and try to sow terror. We're ready for that. We've seen these types of folks before, and the American people can rest assured that we're vigilant on that. Thank you. I don't follow up on that last question. There was just this, what appears to be a terrorist attack in Austin yesterday.

Starting point is 00:59:15 Does that change the operation at all? What effect does that happen? It doesn't change the operation at all, and I know. the authorities are executing exactly the way they should. Right. So just a non-answer. You know, even have quick comment and I go ahead. I'll all keep going through these.

Starting point is 00:59:28 I mean, look, the Iranians have carried out military and intelligence attacks against American interests in the Middle East. Iran sees itself as a regional power. And its periphery is known. Where is the rules of engagement and where they can have my maneuvering, et cetera. They spying on American forces in Dubai. spying on American forces in other Gulf monarchies, because the presence of this force in the region are, they're tasked to carry on offensive activities against Iran itself.

Starting point is 01:00:05 And Iran has not at any point carried out, let's say, terrorist attack in Europe, let alone inside the United States. Now, I am open, by the way, for discussion, for debate about this, that whether or not this would help Iran because this is the 101 of what I learned in my college, in my university, when we study political science and international relations or try to analyze the situation, is who benefits? Who benefits from this? Like, what is the point of Iran carrying a terrorist attacks through slipper cells inside the United States? It delegitimizes its cause. It paints it as a terrorist country.

Starting point is 01:00:54 Meanwhile, Iran has been the one who was showing a lot of self-restraint to the point that the people who were pro-accessing officers and started calling Iran like, what are you doing? Basically, people started criticizing Iran for showing a lot of self-restraint and patience, what they call the strategic patience in the region. And until this moment, when there is an existential threat against them, they have not carried out terrorist attacks. against the American interests in the region. Remember, they have assets in the region. They could carry a car bomb. They could carry a big explosion somewhere against American forces or not, or against civilians, if they like to.

Starting point is 01:01:34 Why would they come to the United States? It makes no sense strategically, politically, and also their reputation. But the easy thing to do is you paint your enemy as reckless, as crazy nut jobs, they are religious fanatics. It's all projection. It's a projection of what they are. They're projecting it on Iran. When they say they are religious, not jobs,

Starting point is 01:02:00 I'm not a Muslim, but I have lived among the Shia people for three years. And I was respected. I was protected by them. And at no point, any person accumulated my dignity or religious beliefs. and they were churches in Shia neighborhoods. You have a big Christian community inside Iran,

Starting point is 01:02:25 but they tried to portray Iran as this crazy, fanatic, nudge-ups. So you strip this player of its sanity. You call it like the Hitler of the 21st. Then any action carried out under false flag operation, for example, you could accuse your enemy and say, that they're the ones who are carrying these attacks because those are crazy people, right? But the crazy people are the ones who are in charge in Washington, D.C., nowadays. They're in charge in Tel Aviv.

Starting point is 01:02:59 And they're in charge in Syria, for example. Those are truly crazy not jobs who truly believe in some religious fanaticism, who chop off people's heads. But Donald Trump sprays him with a perfume when he comes to the White House. I think this tells you everything you need to know about this so-called. and alleged like we have the moral high ground you know we in America we have the moral high ground you've politicians do not have any moral high ground believe me like especially the Epstein class they don't have any moral high ground I think the world has become very very much aware of that now I believe we only have like a little bit time left so let me just play one more thing for you

Starting point is 01:03:40 and then we could wrap on this last statement do you have enough time for that yeah yeah okay perfect. So basically just wanted to show this, which I find interesting on the timing of all this. So that was the second, right? You have them basically some people claiming that Texas was the sleeper cells. There's no evidence really. A report came out showing that the White House sort of blocked the warning report that was supposed to go around. I felt like that was sort of like trying to draw attention to it. I'm not sure how that wrap worked out, but it's interesting. Iran's maybe activating sleeper cells we saw on the night that was going around. Even Grock will tell you that there's no publicly confirmed evidence at all. It seems to be

Starting point is 01:04:13 suspicions from the government. It just seems kind of like an obvious setup. Here's what Trump said. I'll pretty much end with that. We've got threats of drone stealing and Alex Jones. You know, it's all coming down. He says the warning, it'll end soon. The globalists. The globalists. The globalists, those Democrats. Exactly. I mean, this guy's just drowning in his inability to acknowledge what's really happening right now. But I'll have you said in general on this last clip. And I just think it's the nothing response from these people. This is what he said. sleeper cells there could be inside the US right now I have been and a lot of

Starting point is 01:04:48 people came in through Biden with this stupid open border but we know where most of them are we've got our eye on all of them I think they came in through the open border policies of sleepy Joe Biden one of the worst the worst president in the history of our country and we've got to rise on all of them but the war itself is being prosecuted a level that nobody's seen. So if he knows, if they know where they are and they have an eye on them, so they can't carry on any attacks, right?

Starting point is 01:05:22 This is what he said. This is what I understood. I guess. Or that he's watching them. They're watching them to carry on the attack. It's also just a nothing answer. Just we're strong. Shut up, you know.

Starting point is 01:05:36 Final thoughts on the way out. I don't know you have limited time. Final thoughts on like, you know, where this goes, sleeper cells, the Iran false, you know, the. unjustified start of it. Just give me your final thoughts on where this goes and hopefully we can connect again. I think for a false flag is definitely a possibility. However, what Iranians have done basically today, I wrote an article called Iran's

Starting point is 01:05:54 Samson Option. And Iran's Samson Option is not nuclear weapons. It is actually the straight of Hormuz and through blocking the strait of Hormuz and choking the, basically the flow of the fuel and the energy resources to the outside world. I think this was more effective in creating the conditions to hit or give a strong blow to the American strategy and Israeli strategy in the region through economic means rather than through the missiles that have been reigning over Israel and other countries in the region. I think what the Iranians have found now that they found themselves in a situation where they enjoy leverage over the United States after they were being pounded for in the past two years, jointly, we are the Americans and the Israelis in this case.

Starting point is 01:06:46 And once the existential threat emerged against them, and they basically blocked the strait of Hormuz and blinded the frontline spying technologies of the United States, they saw the vulnerability in the empire. So once you see any vulnerability in the empire, you don't want to strike a ceasefire agreement until you come to a new terms on the security architecture in the region. I think the Iranians are hitting the United States where it hurts the most, the energy prices,

Starting point is 01:07:21 and they're trying to turn the public against him inside the United States through this economic means. They don't need attacks, inside terrorist attacks inside the United States to turn the people or to turn the situation upside down. You only need for the fuel prices to increase and increase and increase until the people will be fed up with this war. And I think the Americans know it very well. I suspect, this is just my opinion, another week, give it another week and you will see that the Americans want to withdraw from this. And they want to withdraw from this. Whitkoff is offering a ceasefire agreement now. But Iranians will not accept. Iranians will accept the military cessation of hostilities, but they will continue choking the Strait of Hormuz until they reach to a new level of deterrence against the US and Israel and also new security architecture in the region, which would give Iran its basically rightful, because any power has a rightful right to have its influence in the region, or at least its independence. Iran wants to stay independence and not part of the Abraham Accords or the Greater Israel Project. And I think for the first time, and please correct me if I'm wrong since World War II,

Starting point is 01:08:29 I haven't seen the U.S. and Israel jointly receiving this type of blow that would show clearly with our objective eyes that there is a limit for the U.S. empire, and this was the limit. And from now on, we will see that the US will retreat from certain files because the military power is not the only means that you can achieve your expansionist aspirations in the region. There are different factors. There is history. There is politics. There is economics. And there is the psychology of the people that the American decision makers thinks when you have big guns, then you can impose your will on the rest of the world. but that's not how things work nowadays in the 21st century.

Starting point is 01:09:10 So I think this was a great lesson, and this had to happen. It's a wake-up call for America also to go back and do America first, which would help Americans and would help us immensely also in the region. Well, thank you for that very insightful discussion. I really hope people pay attention. I'll end with saying that I agree with you entirely. I don't think that in any way Iranian sleeper cells or any form of act like that, it benefits them at all, whether seen or not.

Starting point is 01:09:41 In fact, I think that's obvious what that benefits, and I expect that to go that route in some false flag direction, based on the obvious point that that helps Israel, the United States, just like the gassing in Syria was not Assad that was created for the same purpose. You know, this is old and tired. This is old hack, guys. They've done this over and over. So thank you for your inside, brother, and I hope we can talk again soon.

Starting point is 01:10:00 Thank you so much, Harvey. As always, everybody out there, question everything. Come to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant. Brzezinski was the strategist for Jimmy Carter and convinced Jimmy Carter to say, look, the Russians are dominating Afghanistan with a civilian secular government. Let's create al-Qaeda. Let's back Osama bin Laden and give his supporters weapons to begin fighting the Russians. And we can pull a coup d'et there.

Starting point is 01:10:26 And the Russians will fight back and then we'll say the Russians invaded. And it worked. Saudi Arabia made a deal with America that they would push the Wahhabi. extremists, the Al-Qaeda, the most right-wing of Islamic parties, and it worked. Essentially, Al-Qaeda is a contract army for the United States. Well, the same thing was happening in Russia. What Brzezinski wrote was that America is faced with a possibility of not being able to rule the world unilaterally. Any country's economic ability to be self-sufficient means potential military power. And in order to prevent any country from threatening America militarily,

Starting point is 01:11:10 you have to prevent it from developing economically. The American nightmare, Bersinski wrote, was that Russia would get together with Germany and with Western Europe, creating Russian raw materials, German industry, and somehow finally, Russia would become westernized. America, under Bersenski's strategy, said this would be a disaster because if Russia's westernized, If it becomes democratic, if Europe and Russia are prosperous, then we cannot control them anymore, and they will have no reason to be NATO. We've got to stop Russia, and the place to stop this Russian-European conglomeration is to split it right at the border down Ukraine. Let's do in Ukraine what we did in Afghanistan.

Starting point is 01:11:56 Let's back the crazies. Well, most of them are the former neo-Nazi groups that have been... so prominent.

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