The Last American Vagabond - Spyderland Interview - Revolution Through Music

Episode Date: June 4, 2025

Joining me today is the very talented group, Spyderland (Marie Litton & Drew McClellan), here to discuss their journey through the musical field, how they have evolved throughout it, and what changed for them after the COVID-19 event. We discuss the powerful way that music can inform the listener, often in ways they don't recognize, especially regarding contentious truths and how music can help lower the guard of those already primed to reject it. We discuss some current events, a bit of the esoteric, and the fight for the very essence of humanity.Source Links:(21) Spyderland (@spyderland) / X(8) Spyderland on X: "WE DON'T GO BACK | SPYDERLAND https://t.co/K6qYhktwVa" / X(8) Spyderland on X: "Spyderland - SMASH N GRAB https://t.co/xMky6y79of" / XSpyderland (@spyderland) • Instagram photos and videosDiscover the Art and Music of SpyderlandSpyderland - ANTI IDOL - YouTubeBitcoin Donations Are Appreciated:www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/bitcoin-donation(3FSozj9gQ1UniHvEiRmkPnXzHSVMc68U9f)The Last American Vagabond Substack is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to The Last American Vagabond Substack at tlavagabond.substack.com/subscribe

The command. About the conspiracy always. The fact is we act upon that with that check a false. The last American vagabond. Joining me today is Marie Lytton and Drew McClellan of Spiderland, a band that I'm just really enamored with that I've only recently come across over, you know, the kind of the independent media community and really just at the Third Eye Carnival, I got to see them live, and it really left an impression on me.

Very unique and just impressionable. It's a powerful band. And I wanted to invite them on to discuss something I've been doing with a lot of different bands. I actually have Derek Rose coming on in the near future to discuss his musical side of things. And it's something that we've been talking about a lot on this platform over the years. And that is the powerful use of both as I see it, comedy is an aspect of this as well, but music to sort of purvey important truths without people really understanding or really, you know, a lot of times people will put up their guard when it comes to a discussion of contentious information. and will push away from something that they feel is coming from the other side. And a lot of times music and comedy have a way of lowering your guard

and allowing people to absorb information without really feeling like it's about left versus right or contentious information. And I find that to be such a powerful part of the independent media community. So inviting them on to discuss their music, their perspectives on the world, and just that exact idea and how powerful that is. So thank you both for joining me today. How are you? Doing great. How are you?

Good, good. I think it's an important time to have this conversation about, you know, just media in general and how powerful it is and how you can get this information across. And I think now more than ever, we're at a time where this is, you know, it's dangerous to the establishment. Like I genuinely feel like things are changing in a lot of ways. And I think it's an important time to have this kind of information. So let's get into, first of all, just go ahead and introduce both of you, you know, if you'd like to say your background, where you come from or something like that in case nobody is,

if people out there aren't familiar. with your work. Go ahead and treat yourselves. Yeah, yeah. My name is Drew McClellan. I am 50% of Spiderland. Spend most of my life in Denver, Colorado area, but we've sort of hopped around as a duo. Marie and I have been together as an item for the past 10 years. We've been doing Spider-Land for about the past six, maybe going on seven now. So yeah, it's cool to venture out and, you know, be in these spaces. Awesome. Yes, my name is Marie Lytton and 50% of Spiderland. And similar, I mean, from Colorado, lived in Denver for most of my life, playing music. My whole life has just been being in a band and being a bartender, really. And yeah, like moving into the space of the freedom movement, or I like to call it the part of Team Light or the truth or community has been really, it's been really awesome. I'm also interesting and challenging, as I'm sure everyone can imagine just coming from that music world,

where you always felt like you were a rebel, you know, like, especially in punk rock. Always, and I've always been very rebellious in my music or trying to put a message through, but things really did change. I guess I'm just going kind of into it, like after COVID, you know, or during COVID, where I was like, what is happening and how are all these musicians? and punk rockers being total authoritarian. And going through that with Spider-Land is where we wrote, there's monsters outside,

which is kind of tame. I mean, the message is there, but it was not quite as hard as we are now because we are really testing the waters. And true fear of, like, getting completely, completely canceled from our community,

but still, like, had to put it out there, you know? And then I'm like, are people even listening? Well, let's say it harder,

you know? So it's just, it's just been quite the journey with kind of shifting our music to being really more focused on team light, truth. Yeah. Kind of exposing, exposing the darkness in like everything, really.

Where I feel like kind of me and you did do to a degree in our music in the past, but it was, it just, everything just changed, right? Yeah. For everybody, I think. Yeah. A moment. Go ahead. I think it's interesting how, you know, we look back

at some of the things that we wrote earlier on and there was always this sort of like subtlety in what we were writing in lyrics that was sort of based around all this stuff but I agree with Murray I mean I personally felt like the big conscious shift throughout my year in 2020 I was just it was just sort of you know full full 180 type of thing so that's when it you know yeah we started you know with the the focus of leaning into it more and you know like just sort of embracing you know I come to figure out now that it's like you find the thing that you're scared of and like try and embrace that and attack that.

So that's what a lot of this past couple years has been. And, you know, now I feel like we're having a little bit more clarity. I still feel really new to this whole world in a lot of ways. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think that it's a fight that we're all realizing is all of ours. You know, I think that's the things a lot of people are recognizing that, you know, and it's not just in independent media or even music or comedy. like people in every, you know, you're a cashier out there.

You know, there are ways that you can use your position to influence this conversation. You know, I think we're all beginning to see that in a lot of ways. Now, I definitely want to get into that overlap of that, you know, that COVID moment that really did change for a lot of people and then that overlap from, you know, it seems like I had a suspicion that you guys had a threat of this early on and then it kind of just developed into more so after COVID. But I wanted to read something really quickly that you had your website. And I wanted to actually touch on, you mentioned the restaurant side.

of it. And just briefly, before you got into, this was curious about the overlap there. But on your website, this is a statement and a quote after. It says, Spiderland is an indie electric electronic duo that vibrates both ancient and futuristic sounds. The group delivers musical concepts for those who still believe our destiny lies in a passionate free world. I love that. Quote says, our community spreads outside the art world and bleeds into a persisting interest for the truth of our place in history, including our role in shaping the legacy of our generation. It doesn't say the quote is you can tell me if you're like. I just love that. I think it's important framing. Go ahead. I think that's a quote that I that's that's a quote

that I that I wrote up one day and I for a while I think I had my name tagged after it but then I've yeah more you know no more mystique I think it sets a good tone for that and so I just want to make you put that out there for kind of like the feet you know that's that was written on the website I think it's just a really good encapsulation so before we get into the rest of it like so you mentioned the restaurant business I don't know if you were in the same you know kind of background field. I think it's a really interesting overlap. I come from that background. I'm a classical trained chef. I went to the culinary student of America. It's what I did before this. I was, immersed in that for high-end restaurants, so on. And I continue, even to this day, but while I was

there, I see this overlap like it's just everyone I worked with in some way was like an artist or a musician or, you know, or in this, the independent media field or some kind of a, which I see in the same way, sort of an artistic overlap. And I just didn't know, did you notice the same thing? Did you see that? Do you feel kind of a draw or an overlap between those two things? Just curious. Oh, yeah. I worked in kitchens for a long time as well.

And I finally, I almost never thought I would make it even to the front of the house. And I finally did. I got out of the kitchens for, you know, for the better and ended up, you know, bartending and serving and stuff like that.

But it was, you know, in Denver, in like, and it's probably still rides, but it's pretty much like everyone, everyone was a creative of some sort. You know,

it was just like, and you felt really good, you know, 15 years ago or whatever. It's just like everyone I'm around is super dope. Everyone hustles, everyone parties. And, you know, everyone's creating some cool art in some way or, you know, got great ideas. So, you know, very inspiring atmosphere in a lot of ways, even though, you know, the wages haven't really kept up with that. And we don't really want to be stuck there forever. Well, it's also toxic.

Definitely. Definitely. I mean, I think if I was still doing it, I'd be dead. I know. I mean, it's just you get so. you get in the party. You're up till six in the morning. You're, you're doing a lot of things you shouldn't be doing drinking and doing coke. And like it's just comes with, especially with rock and roll and the bar scene. I mean, kitchens are the same. I mean, all of us, you were there. As they say, it's a party like a rock star without the budget, right? You do. You do. So I mean, but all, all the friends, you know, such a deep community. I'm sure you can relate to this being in the kitchen. I mean, you're just, you're so invested in. everybody and everybody, I mean, you go to people's shows, you learn about their art. It's just, it is that restaurant community, the industry or the bar. It's such a community. And it was really hard to get out of that, honestly, because it was so much attached to our identity, you know. Many other places, you know, like, so you know, we all come from like this high school

dynamic where you have a community and it's, you know, your friend groups and then you leave that. And we all have that kind of, you know, where you don't, unless you rebuild that out in this different place, you know, people tend to long for that. like having that, you know, just be, and you find that in a restaurant community where you have that kind of same thing. And I learn that as now being away from it going like, you know, where to be even meet friends as an adult? Like, why does it even happen? Like, bump into people at the grocery store and like, hey, you want to be friends? Like it just feels weird. You know, it's like it's different when you're younger. And so it's like when you have that

restaurant community, you grow with each other. And as you said, as you support each other. And I kind of see it as like, you know, you're all rebels in a lot of ways. You know, like that you're kind of bucking a different system in the way the world sees as you should be. And like I saw I'm glad you see it the same way. I really see a line through that where people are, you know, finding a path outside of the normal, you know, and I really just enjoy that. And I do miss that too, that community. And you miss that when you leave, you go away from it, you know, but you also, I think grow into a lot of new things, which I myself grew into this and a large way because of that overlap, you know. But yeah, it's an interesting dynamic. Oh, go ahead. Do you ever say something else? Oh, I just totally agree with you. And it's such a sense of belonging in that, in that field. And it is a rebel field. It's like, we're going to make tips. We're going to stay up all night. We're making music.

We're like, and gosh, again, like that all really changed during COVID. Because, you know, every restaurant person pretty much lost their job. I don't know. I was working at a bar during COVID. And I, after COVID, I tried to go back a little bit. And I actually just couldn't. I couldn't do it anymore because I had such a change in, like, myself where I was like, I can't be serving people booze, poison, basically.

I can't be like I just can't like my I just changed as a person I even quit drinking you know it took a while but I mean but it was you get stuck in these things and as fun as they are man they will destroy you and but again yeah the with well the COVID thing you know with everybody just going so hard on COVID. Well after 2020 I worked I think I worked in four different bar slash restaurant situations afterwards and like I just, I started feeling old, like really, like it was like I snapped my finger. Then I became the old guy like over night. I'm 35, but like I was always the young dude like working in it. And then like I came out on the other side of 2020 on bartending. Like everybody I know and working around is like 20 years old. And, you know, I don't know.

I just became the grandpa of the industry. Yeah. And it did. You know, that's an interesting inflection point too. And I think the way you frame that is interesting that. that you changed after COVID-19, right, to where you suddenly started reflecting on more than just the job itself, but like a larger health focus. And I think that's such an important thing to think about that after that happened, it wasn't just that people suddenly started questioning vaccines.

That did happen. But I keep pointing this out in a larger way. That really was one of those moments that I think it was because of how clumsy and kind of disjointed it all was and rushed and forced, that it really shook a lot of people out of that kind of control mindset that they didn't expect that the hierarchy enslaving you, you know, the they, the power structure. And I really think that's an interesting way to put it, is that, you know, you started reflecting on even, you know, why should I be serving alcohol? Why should you be? I think we all did kind of go through that. So, why don't we go to that in general? And so, you know, so going that timeframe, well, actually, before we did that, that, that one more thing before that is to before you got to that point,

you said there was a little bit of an overlap in your music with kind of the, you know, whatever you want to call it, truth, independent media, you know, whatever, the, you know, truth community. And so you highlight that and how much was it? And was it COVID that really turned that switch to where you started doing it? Or do you already started to evolve before that? What was the process? I think, so I think me and Drew both had like rebellion songs against the system for sure. Why don't you pull up some of your examples and I'll pull of my.

Yeah. I mean, well, like I have a song called Children of Misfit Island, which is totally like being a rebel, not doing things by their rules. I'm not going to fit to their mold. You know, and I always had that belief. Like, it was just a, it was just a way I was. Maybe not even a belief. It's just, I was like, this shit's fake.

This is a system. This is a matrix. You know, I had that. But I think after COVID or during, during going through the COVID, for me, I was like, oh my gosh. I just started, my eyes started opening to so much more. You know what really? The floodgates were just open. There's no going back, basically.

And within the music side of it, I was just like, of course we're experiencing it. So we start writing more about it. Like it just starts becoming the focus because we're so passionate about it. Like I want to wake people up. I want to like get the truth out there. I want to just put light out there as well because there's so much darkness that we didn't even know about. You know, we're in this program and we don't even realize the darkness in the program. It's like we need to.

somehow put light back into the world, but also, you know, shed some truth on things. It was just all of it kind of crashing in at once, I guess, where we kind of decided, like, is this what we're going to do? Are we shifting this way? It's, it feels very natural. It might piss some people off. We might lose some fans. We might lose some friends, but like, no, we have to do this. This is a calling. Right. And that was just kind of it. We went in. And it was scary, to be honest, because both of us were so popular in Denver, too. like we are in this music scene i'll stop murray is like a uh low key Denver all star that's awesome well i'd love to hear more there go ahead go ahead uh yeah no i always like uh

i felt like you know in the early 2000s around like 9-11 i was a kid but you know soon after that i started i sort of like woke up and then i sort of ignorantly went back to sleep, I feel like, for a lot of my 20s. And, you know, I just sort of drowned it out. But there was kind of always that, that subtle notion in the lyrics I would write that are sometimes, you know, analyzing society and stuff like that. And like I said, there was a lot of ignorance still in it because I totally fell into sort of the left wing subscription for years and years. And it definitely was like for me like a like a large ending of 2020 was kind of like a personal like mental breakdown too and recognizing that just I had to take some action and establish some principles if I wanted

you know if I wanted to continue doing music with Marie 1 if I wanted to you know like continue to respect our relationship as that but also just give myself more respect and not just be sort of drifty and, you know, just sort of aimlessly reaching at the sort of like whatever, you know, delusion of music success I thought I had at the time. So I think, you know, what's interesting is it comes down to a, in all these fields, anything in independent media included, where you get to a point where you clearly, well, I mean, to me it's clear, but I think a lot of people, it's not as clear, but that you come to this choice between making more money, marketing, and the truth. And, like, or rather maybe just

doing what you think is right or doing the, you know, with lying with your principles and your values. And like you're saying, it's like you clearly chose the letter, right? Is that you realize that, well, this isn't as popular where people are going to hate us for some of this, but I believe in this. And this is what we align with. This is what's right. You know, and it's like, I hate to believe, I hate to point out that a lot of people aren't like that. A lot of people would choose to, to ignore what they believe in for making more money and getting more influence. And sometimes with the maybe I see as broken logic of thinking you can do that to get back to that, I just don't think that never really happens, you know, where you get lost in the problem and you never come back to the, well, you believe it.

But I think that's really powerful. And I do want to point out as well, the, you know, the left right kind of trap and all that is interesting. As you mentioned, the coming out and the left side of it is that I see that as like a minefield, you know, where you basically start to go like, I care about these things. I want to look into this more. Like, you know, whatever. Like you're, you know, most kids are completely ignore. ignoring a lot of it until suddenly they want to look into politics and whatever else. And that's where the left, right, where you basically feel like you have to ascribe to one side and then you get lost in that until you get past it later down the line. I just think that's important to point out how clearly that's lined up for us.

It's just like designed to trap us so we don't get past it, you know? Yeah. And I realize like how much of, you know, how much we reacted out of like rebellion too, you know? It's like for especially those years in 2020, like, like, I just like grew this like huge natural loathing for like Democrats. And but I was like, like it almost made me feel like I just wanted to be like a right winger just because it, you know,

it's like that the rebellious side was just like, you know, like I feel like I am aligned like how did I all of a sudden start aligning with conservatives more was blowing my mind. You know, don't worry. They, they figured they got back through it to me after a while.

I was like, yeah, they ruined that one. It didn't take long for them to ruin that one. Just out of angst. I was like, am I fucking conservative now? Like, I know. I mean, it's interesting though.

I get it's too, for me, it's multiple things. Like I genuinely have watched the paradigm and like what we call left versus right, completely flip-flop over the years, right? So then you, we individually have these identifying ideas that we get confused by. We're like, wait a minute. Am I? I'm this, but that's over there. And, you know, and it's, I think it's designed to get you in a place where like everything

means nothing, nothing means everything. You just follow along with the leadership, you know, where you're supposed to be a part of this team. That team sport politics today is everything, you know. But yeah, I definitely see that everywhere. And I think going back to COVID and over that overlap, that really did in many ways put in an overdrive, but at the same time destroyed it in ways that irrevocably, I think, to where we're still seeing it kind of cascading right now into the Israel conversation and everything else happening where there's a lot of people in this field where they're trying to drive back into partisan side. They're just, you know, they're not seeing it anymore, you know.

And so as you guys are going through the COVID-19 timeframe, you've moved. into more truth focus. So talk about that and how they affected it. Did people just start hating on you? Did you lose the overlap to that scene you had influence in? Like give me the background on that time frame. Well, it was pretty funny that somehow we really didn't get canceled. Like when I went back to Denver, I'm a loudmouthed to.

But when I went back, you know, and I started working on doing this festival with some friends of mine because people wanted the music so bad, but it was still like, what was it, 2022, I think. I think it was 20. I think it was 2020. And I mean, like, I had to be like, I don't get the vaccine. I would just tell people. I did get like we tried to play show at the Mercury Cafe.

They said they wouldn't do Vax cards, but they would do masks. And I was like, well, as long as you guys don't make people have vaccines, but then like a week before, they were like, no, because of Omicron, everyone needs a vaccine. And I just let them have it. So I burn that bridge. Like I was definitely. And I wasn't afraid. And some of my friends that they love me, they don't care. They're like, stop telling people you're unvaccinated and stop.

I was like, no, I will not. And I mean, I would run into friends. They're like, all these people that don't want to take vaccines, they should just stay home. I was like, so you want me to stay home? I'd get in their face. But they would think about it because I think I had been so prominent in that scene. They were like, whoa, Marie.

Marie didn't do that. I do remember one specific situation. where we were, we had met up at a bar and, you know, ran into someone at a bar and, and the end of the conversation was like, if this wasn't you, I would not be listening to what you're saying. That's wild. Yeah. I just, you know, but I also would, there are times too where I would be like, I don't even have the energy. I'm just going to smile and nod, you know, because it just gets to be too much or like, all right, this person clearly has.

has TDS or whatever, and I'm not even going to fight with them because they're never going to hear me out. You know, I'd rather just, instead of ruining that relationship, I think I'm just going to maybe dance around it a little bit or change the subject. But then there's also the friends that, you know, you would kind of put a little bit of information out there to see how they were feeling about the whole situation. And then you have that aha moment and you guys hug, yes. Finally.

I was talking about that passive conversation that, you know, like I said, I was still behind the bars and what I was. So it was like, you're, you're having these like sub-conversations while having like common conversation, you know, like the small talk's on the surface. And then you have sort of the layer underneath. You're like, oh, I think I can fuck with this person. Or it's just like, I'm not even going to walk down this aisle with them, you know, because it's just people sort of wear people, people wore that shit on their sleeves so clearly that it's like, just let's just save it. energy, man, you know, like I'm, I got a job to do. You know, I can't, you know, begin in a debate every time this comes around. Yeah. I was going to say my, my family overlap with that is I see, you know, I saw a lot of that and where, you know, you care about these people, you know, and it's like I just, you want to, you know,

you try to make that choice about whether or not it's important that they see what might hurt them or you, you know, or pushing that might hurt the relationship, you know, and it's such a difficult choice to be like, well, you know, isn't it worth ruining the relationship in my mind to maybe save him from killing himself with this thing? You know, it's like, it's just such a complicated thing. But I think that was one of the largest things that happened during that within the family unit was just, and I personally feel it was entirely weaponized, dividing amongst yourselves, you know, like drawing lines between neighbors and families and, you know, and it's disgusting, disgusting, you know, but I think it's a good example of how powerful the political push can be to, you know, ostracize you from your immediate family.

You know, that's just, that's powerful. But that's going back to this point, why, like, what you're doing independent media, you know, why this is also important is it really does have a way to reach people, you know, and kind of what you were saying there, the way I did anyway, is, you know, like planting the seed, as you call it, right? You know, is where you don't, you don't really push. You just kind of put something out there. You back away. And I tend to do you, one thing I used to say, too is you do it from a place where you don't come at it where you're disagreeing. You know, you come up, so let's just say they believe mass work or whatever, you know, which they're wrong.

And you come up and you go, oh, you know, yeah, yeah, master, I'm glad I got my mask because it's helping me. But did you see this study that seems to suggest that it might not work as well as we thought they did, you know, and you start a place where you're going, oh, he's on my side. Okay. And then they look at the study and they go, oh, yeah, you know, but if you come at it, like, you're wrong. This so's you.

They're going to go, you know, put the wall down. And it's just, it's this exercise and like understanding the way our brains work, you know, and I think that's an important lesson to take from it all, you know. The psychology is crazy, the gymnastics that we had to do, you know, with our family, with our friends. And I totally agree with you. And I did have some fights. And they didn't really turn out great because, yeah, then people are going to just totally

do this. I'm not listening to. You're a crazy person. So you do have to, I like what you said, you kind of have to side with them a little bit and then be, however, have you ever thought about this? It's a little concerning, you know, and then they kind of start thinking. It might open up their mind just a little bit. And just to have to even do that, though, it was kind of crazy.

You know what I mean? I just like to open like, you know, it's like a sort of like prow for like what conspiracy people can like latch on to, you know? And then it's right. And some people like the, you know, like the, the pandemic thing is the last thing they'll get to. But, you know, like they can get behind chem trailing and geoengineering and, you know, they can they can see the hypocrisy. You know, it's getting it's so transparent at this point in time.

It's like out in the open. So there's something, there's some amount of conspiracy that everyone can get behind who's probably calling you a conspiracy theorist, you know? Yeah. There's ways to open the door, but it's just like I said, sometimes it's just not going to be, not going to be COVID related. Yeah. Well, in your guys' experience, have you seen people that at one point were wildly resistant

that are now, and I don't mean the friend that you're talking about that like, you know, I mean like hardcore, like never, you know, like maybe you lost your friendship because of it. But now, after all this time, are singing. a different tune because I have seen a lot of that. And real quickly, the point is the stats are very clear. Even Badacharya and McCart, talking about the new shot they approved, by the way, we talked about that at the end part of the show.

But the idea that they're like 50% of healthcare workers are not taking these things. Like back to the earlier booster. I mean, like I was pointing out then, everybody, even the people that had taken four boosters were like, I don't know about this last one. You know what? Everybody changed their tune. So have you seen any people like that that suddenly have a different tune today? I have a friend

that changed their tune and it was so great and this is the only person that ever apologized to me too which I found that to be I found that to be pretty awesome you know what I mean that he rare

very rare that he actually was like I'm sorry because that's a huge shout out for him for being such a you know go ahead sorry oh yeah dude it's totally I was like

oh my God thank you so much you're the only person that has said sorry because this particular friend, I wanted to play a show with him. And I told, of course, my loud mouth, I'm like, well, I'm not vaccinated. He's like, well, then I can't hang out with you and you can't come here. And this is when we were doing like a Midwest down to Tennessee run. So we were like mapping dates and stuff.

And that whole, I think it was in 22 is like everything got like red zone in southern Indiana. And like it was just it was such a mess. And including in Tennessee and stuff like that. Yeah, but he like a few years later, he was like, I'm. coming to Denver to visit. And I was like, awesome. You know, I'm not going to not hang out with you because you said you would never hang out with me unless I got the shot. Like, yeah, let's hang out. And he straight up was like, things are crazy and I'm sorry. But now when we hang out with him and talk to him, he is, his eyes are opening to a lot of things. So he loves to just talk to us about stuff now.

And he might not align 100%, but he definitely aligns a lot. And I just think that's awesome. Because he's a reader too. He's an intelligent guy, you know. So he's kind of like, this is all seeming very suspicious. Yeah, there's definitely people you can go the extra mile with in conversation at least, even if they're still on the fence or whatever. At least they're down to have the conversation. They're curious. I had one of the guys that we worked with in that music video that you played at the beginning.

When we did that premiere, I had made a little statement. We did a little live event in the basement of the gypsy house that unfortunately just closed down in Denver. but we did a little live event maybe, I don't know, 50 people or something. And I spoke a little bit after it just about how anything that we were going to do for us, trying to just push the discourse on, you know, how we feel about the globalist society and the technocratic state. And one of my friends, I wasn't really sure where he sat on it. But, you know, he's sort of one of those guys, like went to coding boot camp, gotten sort of involved in the tech world and stuff like that.

But later on, he was like, you know, I didn't realize that was your whole, you guys were really, you know, standing up for this thing specifically. I think it's really cool. And so he's actually sort of reached out to me sometimes with,

you know, new COVID updates and just saying like, he's like, you know, turns out everyone who they're like pointing the finger and, you know, yelling, screaming conspiracy at are looking more,

more right as time goes on. So like I said, and I don't even know specifically where each person sits, but you can see some of that just, you know, and even if it's just reaching out in direct messaging, you know, I'm, I'm happy with that. Yeah. I mean, look, if that's on it, if you're an honest person, that's where you are right now. It's objectively clear, right? So it's another shout out to your friend there. Like, that's just, there's so rare, you know, like to not only to be able to accept that you're wrong, but to be able to go to that. like hey i was wrong i you know sorry about that that's just so rare and i love to see that you know

it's such a powerful thing i think we all got here because of some form of oh shit i got i got duped you know like that's what that's what opens the door that's what opened the door for me you know there's a lot of like grief that goes into that first wave of it yeah i i funny this a lot it was just my my brother's actually an example this where you know you get these two which i i think it's not even worth you know trying to like claim it but where they come back and go oh my god did you hear that these things were hurting people or like something you're like yeah i was trying to tell you two years ago or they come and bring the news to you about something that you were trying to tell them two years ago it's like hey great man as long as you see it you know it's like thanks for

the information that happens a lot these days you know because they have a mean that that's the seed you planted that's why they're you know it grew all of a sudden you know yeah yeah got to wait for people to wake up on their own terms because that's truly how it's going to be people are going to figure it out the way they figure it out. They're going to have amnesia. And we have to just be happy that they're figuring it out. You know, that's kind of how I feel. I'm like, man, awesome. If you're figuring this out, there might be a chance that this is just going to start a whole echo chamber of like people waking up. And that would be beautiful. And I really, I just want to say something that popped in my head about the left and right thing. Oh, my God. It's such a divisive tool that I can't even stand anymore. And when I see people fighting so hard for their team,

I'm just like, you guys, we are all on the same team. We're fighting them. Like, the more you guys do this, the less likely it's going to be that we're going to be able to, like, conquer these people or be triumphant against these people. And I don't know why. That's just kind of what I was thinking. Sorry.

You're pressing it because that's literally the next thing I was going to ask, which is, or it was pressing it, that, you know, when did you first start seeing through the, the two-party illusion and all this, because what's interesting is that's not always the same time where people can have these moments where they begin to like really break down some of these illusions, but the last thing they seem able to see beyond is what I think is the most obvious block, the false binary, you know, the two-party illusion. So when did you guys or maybe separately begin to see through that? Honestly, I never really believed in like, I always thought they were

working for the same team, you know? I thought like Drew, I thought the Democrats were a little better, you know, a little. There's still a lesser of two evils. Yeah. I even still feel lesser of two evils sometimes the opposite direction, you know? It's weird that oscillates. I really do think that changes over the years and I think it's designed that way, you know? So they, like I think the party in power is meant to always look like the more bombastic one.

I mean, like right now I'm with you. Like it's just insane what's going on. But during COVID, I think the left seemed more insane, you know. But it's, I think that's meant to do it like that. Yeah, yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's anything to keep the penit, on one side or the other, you know, like, and really, I mean, it's like, walking the tightrope in the middle is, is, it's like a daily grind, you know? And comes a lot of a, you know, I, I, I, I feel like

I'm always trying to avoid the black pill. So I'm like, you know, a lot of it just goes back into now, nowadays, I'm just like, you know, personal development, just like recognizing what I can do. And, and how, you know, it all starts here, you know, I've been so like sort of a, you know, I've been so like, sort of affected deeply and emotionally and physiologically by the news cycle. I'm just like, all right, what can I do to just get some of that fuzz and static out of my, out of my mainframe each day? Yeah. And I mean, I think it was like kind of a trap to be like, oh, you thought you were,

you were for team blue, but now you're kind of going more for team red. But then once the January 7th thing happened. January 6 thing. Sorry. Because I get it confused with October 7th, January. Okay. No, yeah. No, I get it.

You're not the first person to do that, by the way. I'm really bad of dates. Sorry. Don't worry. January 6 was that whole thing. I was like, oh, my God, right? But then it kind of made it look like these, the way they set the whole thing up.

And then we saw our friends be so crazy towards like a QAnonon people or the ride or whatever. Like, you guys are falling for it. You're falling for it so hard. And then you do, then I would be a little more. I'm like, man, I'm aligning a little more at the right, but I'm still way more libertarian than anything, honestly. But then going back to October 7th, when that happened, and then I saw what the right was doing,

I was like, oh, hell no. Hi, I'm Fox and Tony. Sorry about that. I was my finger at the button. Well, since I did that, I mean, I think that, you know, it's, it's, the trap is falling into feeling like you need to pick a side. You know what I mean? Like I tend to find that my personal, you know, I guess political stances,

depending on, you know, you pick a political topic, a wedge issue or anything. And I feel like my personal stance on it alters all. I mean, it goes from left to right to liberty to anarchistic, depending on what you're talking about. Like it's not unique to one. Because I think the trap is feeling like you have to adhere. And I don't even get why we think that makes sense. Because all it really does is you feel like, okay, I'm on the left.

And all that does is then when you basically check your feelings and thoughts along with what you think the parties aligned with. And that just seems silly to me. You know, like, shouldn't it just matter what you care about? You know, and I feel like that's where people are getting to today is to realize that the whole thing is just to keep you fighting each other, as you were saying earlier. And, you know, people like Colson-Habbard and others that are like, I'm changing sides. I'm like, all you're showing is that you have no principles because, you know, if your point is this side doesn't believe the principles that I think are the left and your argument is to change. change sides? Are you saying now the right has the left principles? No, like you're just changing sides. Like it's completely arbitrary. So I just think that's a, you know, crazy thing to see.

So I agree with you completely. Yeah, well, people are so devoted to the tribalism, you know, and that's just a part of human nature to, you know, like, want support from some social group, you know, so having that confirmation bias, like, even if it's not even really there, still like equates to some sense of security in each individual. It's the tribalism. Like we were, you know, that's what you're just talking about.

You know, people, it's almost like they're trying to recreate that, that need to have that community, you know, people that don't actually have it, you know, so they create this false idea that you are on this team that,

you know, it's teams for politics. And, you know, we watch sports or people that out there watch sports and you, you know, we all know the moment where some, you know, like let's say in football, where the person, you know,

didn't make it in, but you're hoping the ref will rule for him anyway. And you go, yes, see, even though you're wrong, that's, that's politics today. You know, people there, they know what they're doing is wrong, but they don't care. Like recently, I saw somebody put the framing out where they say right now, and I, this is, for me, it's no different than the people that were supporting Biden when he was in power, that they run it through one lens. Does this help or hurt Donald Trump?

And if it hurts him, they ignore it. But help him, you know, they promote it, regardless of it's false, you know, and that's the problem. And I personally don't think that's the majority of people. What do you guys think about that? Where do you think that line falls right now? what it needs to be is seen exactly like sports and entertainment honestly you know like that's that's kind of like the the underlying sentiment that i feel is just like just just look at

it like you look at entertainment it's a show you know recognize like who's pointing the camera and it recognized when there's like uh uh wrongful calls being made yeah yeah or who what do they say it in wrestling what do they call the guy that's the uh now i'm forgetting all of a sudden You know, there's a name for the guy that's supposed to be the fall guy. You know, like they're like set up to be the guy that fall. I forget what it's called. But you know, I'm terrible with sports lingo. Yeah, but recognize that it's be it's contrived is the point.

You know, like it is like you're saying, it is a show. It is arbitrary. You know, and that that's the hard part of it, though, is that people have invested their entire identities in this. And so now when you start going, but that's not true, it's like you're attacking who they are as a person, you know, and that's hard to decouple. That's kind of the same with religion, honestly. Yeah. And I don't want to get too into it because I don't, you know, and I've, you know, people are they get really tied to their religions and that's fine and if you have something you believe in

and it makes you feel good and it's you know and religion can be for good because there's so beautiful things in it but people get so tied to the idea of this is this is like what I have to be or this is the name I have to give it and then they fight that all that they're not doing it right over there it's kind of the same thing like they don't believe that you know like the Catholics against the Baptist or whatever it might be. It's like it's still kind of doing the same thing. It's dividing us instead of coming together. And I do think people are, I think more and more people are waking up to it because

it's just gotten so wild to all of it, to be honest. Like, man, we need to start investing in like peace and love and the truth. And honestly, being, we need to start investing in like cleaning up ourselves and being the best that we can be. So that, therefore, we can project that out onto other people. and then other people can start doing the work, you know? Yeah. Kind of the shadow work.

And then I think we can really make a change, but each individual has so much baggage. Yeah. And this is probably why we do tend to like go to the group think or I need to be a part of the side because we're missing something. Like it's a, it's a void. And I think a lot of the void, which we can go back into spirituality, is just not being connected to like source or it's like an ambitory. an empty emptiness. So we're trying to fill it up with all these things or fill a part of a group when really you have to feel good within yourself. Absolutely.

You know, and connect to that, that source energy, I guess I would call it, you know. You know, we talk about the, the 5D warfare and the psychological warfare all the time. Like to me, that stuff like really, you know, it's like the atheists out there will fight just in the three-dimensional realm. you know everything is here and that's it you know and that's like you can kind of see that as you know the the cages that sort of people get locked in when they when they view the world as it's all just the material budding heads and you know not giving any credit to even i even feel like you know like where where thoughts are born where consciousness where we gather ideas from like that that's definitely a different dimension in my mind you know like so there's

There's a lot of like evidence to the fact that we're dealing with sort of an onion of dimensional. But, you know, a lot of these, you know, just like linguistics and semantics keep us locked in, you know, this place where you, you know, you just got to fight fire with fire. Yeah. It's it speaks to the, you know, the unknown that whether religion or just, you know, the esoteric, like the idea that there are, there's so much that we don't understand. And that we have to, I think, accept that, that we never will, in my opinion. And a lot of things out there, whether that's religion or anything else, you know, that that's the whole point. Even from religious perspective, and I'm a Christian, that faith is what it ultimately is about, not proving, right? Simply making the conscious choice to choose to believe in it because I do, not because it's proven or because I'm supposed to.

You know, and I agree with you 100%. And this, interestingly, this causes people call it a contradiction. I'll point out why it's not or they, you know, call it out that the idea that, you know, my work in some ways, ways people claim is kind of, you know, the antithesis of religion, like the idea of question everything. And people even throw that at me, oh, yeah, do you question your God or religion? Like, oh, I do. You know, and they act like that's some kind of gotcha moment about like, here. Let me explain. The idea is that you think you're proving or you know that God is there, you're wrong, right? You have a, you have faith in these ideas. That's what I choose it personally, you know.

And so the idea is that, of course, I question that. Could it be false? Of course it could. Could it be wrong? I could. I choose to have faith. You know, that's the whole point, you know. And because of that community worldly-based idea, it has been used to divide us. I mean, forever. I make this point, it's weird that mostly Christians have a hard time being honest about this because I feel like they think it undermines the religion. I don't see why it would. But you look back through history. It's just looking at just a Christian religion. I think it's the same as all of them. It is riddled with power hungry people. You know, the families put their second sons into the church as cardinals. And just because they didn't know the first son was going to be the next in line.

It's not because they necessarily believed in God. You know, like the Borges are a famous power-hungry family that work their way through the church. You know, it's just so weird that we, you know, pretend like these things are beyond reproach today. You know, I think as your point is, they use everything. The power structures use everything in their power, everything they can to divide us and manipulate us. And I think religion is chief among them, you know. That's not to say that religion is bad or, you know, just that people manipulate anything in front of them. You know, and I think that's the, that's why what you're doing and what we're,

Everything like this is important because people, they fall in these communities, but they're still, you know, looking around and they still find your music and they ask these questions and those seeds will continue to grow. And I think we're at a very special time where, for whatever reason, you know, use the analogy of things have been fertilized, you know, that's growing. I think people are asking questions they never had before. It's a powerful moment, which is, I think, a great time for you guys to be doing what you're doing.

So let's go into current events, you know, unless there's anything else you guys want to get into about the music overlap or the history or anything else feel free to jump into it but otherwise let's you know what if i were to ask you right now what what is the most in your mind what is the news story the thing going on whether today or last year whatever that first jumps to your mind outside of the COVID point what is that today and let's talk about it honestly i i feel like it's more kind of the spirituality aspect that we were just kind of talking about because I think that is like that's it. That is like the last frontier. It's it I think it all has to do with personally like spirituality and our and our connection to source and what we really are, you know, because ultimately

this is a battle. There's a battle going on like I believe between good and evil. There's also so much like you said that we don't understand about the world we live in. I guarantee you most of it, would be a shock to people. I think we've just been lied to about everything, about even the power that we have as humans. If there's God in us, you know, if there's the divine light in us, of course, that the controllers would want to not ever let us know that, how close we are to God or whatever you believe, like to what you're saying, yes, if people have a strong faith in God or the divine or source or whatever, that's beautiful. We don't need to argue about what that is to each person. It's beautiful.

that you have a personal connection to that. That's beautiful in itself because that's really what I think we need to wake up to too, is that we are spiritual beings, you know, we're not just nothing. Some people believe that we're nothing, but I don't. And I do think when it boils down, this is kind of like it personally. Yeah, no, I think, you know, this is sort of recent development in us. you know, when, when we, when we met you a few months ago, you know, we, I can't really describe how we got there. Besides, we left Colorado to, to answer the calling, right?

You know, like, we're just like, our lives were not completely disheveled, but they just weren't, they weren't complete. And this is like, led to a lot of, like, internal journey just as much as it has, you know, out in the field. and I think that we're faced with, you know, there's just so much, there's so many things in the world that are pointing towards cataclysm and that it's all going down and, you know, like, that is like a, you know, everything to me at this point seems like a fear, some kind of fear mongering. And I'm just going to give like a shout out because, you know, we recently stumbled into the telepathy tapes.

And that to me is just like connecting this like conscious shift, you know, with this idea of futurism, with this like sovereignty based of what, uh, the sovereignty based idea of where we are going, like I believe this is where we are going as a species. And I think there will be a split of people who ultimately, you know, plug into the AI technocratic Borg and people who, you know, really search and find out what it, what it means to be, to be human. And if you're not familiar with the telepathy tapes, I'm sorry, I got to blast it, man, because this shit is really, really quite mind-blowing it. And it dives into cases for over the, some dating back to like even the 80s of basically non-speaking, heavily autistic, children. And, you know, different case studies of teachers and parents and associated communities around that.

them actually like hearing and communicating through a telepathic nature or like a shared consciousness. And, you know, the more you, whether you subscribe to that or not, I always said, I'm not going to do it justice by talking about it. But as these case studies that they do, you know, they've tried to be debunked, you know, hundreds of times just by saying that like, you know, some, you know, to get people started with spelling, spelling prompting and stuff like that, you know, a mom may have to, like, touch the hand, you know, of the, the autistic child, to get them to start typing. But over time, they have, there's like a mind, or to begin with it, there's a mind-body disconnect

that they have that they sort of explain as like a lot of them don't even realize. There's like spirit being stuck in human bodies, right? like they don't even realize they have bodies so that's like there's a lot of flapping you know like i flap my hands to know my to know that i have a body you know um anyways like i said i could spiral off of it no no i think this is oh go ahead go ahead but to me there's just this huge this huge bridge right in front of our faces where there's a higher potential of human existence and a like almost like a window to the to the destiny of what our our our purest or even lighter forms are in potentially into the not so distant future yeah there's a

lot of interesting you know discussion around like you know the like things like autism and whether or not these are what these are detriments or or some kind of like you know further refinement of of what this human species can be kind of a thing. You know, like the, you know, like the kind of the rain man kind of an overlap discussion, you know,

and I find that really interesting because it's, you know, I think obviously as a species, but I think it's just common for a lot of things. People fear what they don't know. You know, they push aside something that seems different. It's not normal,

but, you know, and that we lose a lot of things that may be, like you're talking about, something profound. You know, I, I'm not to look into that because I haven't seen those exact discussions,

but I'm very much of the mind that stuff, you know, whether telepathy or something, something beyond that. There's so much evidence out there of things we can't explain and things that we can prove that are outside of what we claim is possible, that it's wild. And there's so, you know, there's a small percentage of what people think they know, as the whole picture where that's just really a small percentage of what's actually out there.

It's wild. And it goes into the spiritual realm, you know. Yeah. I want to bring this up real quick. There's this other study going on called Lumin. This is Dr. Edith. You heard that. Ubantu Chan.

Yeah, she's basically, and this is not even with autistic kids necessarily, but just starting kids at a young age to tap into an intuitive knowledge and running studies kind of similar where, you know, like blindfolded and just putting colors into matching places and stuff like that. She's been doing some of these live studies. I think that confluence event. If you send me that when we're done, I'll make sure include that in the show notes so people can check it out because that's interesting, you know,

there's, especially when it being done like that where there's some level of evidence to be shown, you know, like you're going through a study and actually showing the responses. That's, that's cool. The telepathy tapes has kind of the same thing. They did all these studies. So the people that are really science-brained and they need all the credentials or whatever.

They need the data. Yeah, they have. They do have it. So it's overwhelming that it's like, I can't argue with this, even though people really don't want to, but it's evidence there. People will argue with every fucking possible thing. Like I said, it scares people. You know, like the idea that somebody could read your mind, you know, it's like that people will push away what they don't want to believe is possible because it's, you know, it's the other.

It's unknown. You know, that's too bad. Yeah. When people are threatened, yeah, our way of life is threatened, you know, like the natural response is like, you know, the fight or flight, basically. Right. But our way of life is we got to move forward, man, because like the way things have been, they don't work. They haven't worked. These wars, the blood.

It's, why? Like, when you really think about it, I can't even, like, I get so angry. I have to just, like, not think about it. But I'm like, I don't even understand how we could be murdering, blowing people up the way we are. Yeah. Like, I just, it's crazy to me that people are just letting this happen. Like, we, that's the darkness in that. I can't even understand.

So I think the only way forward is to get tapped into the spiritual realm. And that all has to do with love too. Like we really have to tap it to love because we're evolving. We're going to evolve. And in the future, I don't think we, there's no space to be killing people the way we do. When I say we, I mean the human race. Oh, yeah. No, I definitely.

We're not killing people. The split between. mean like what is i can't even remember what i'm trying to quote but like the the the the proportional amount of like human suffering in the modern day is like so wildly like out of balance like human you know quality of life to where you know like i said most of the signs point towards be afraid go to sleep you know so like if there's like a simple way of putting it it's like, you know, wake up and don't be in love, be in love, you know, like and and stay, stay awake, man.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, and that's, that's what I was kind of, I said jokingly. You know, like you said, people push back on these things. And I said, unfortunately, unless it's government, right? Like we're seeing like, and look, sadly, when the government is doing putting you in positions that are comfortable, weird, people seem to want to run from it, you know, or hide, you know, or rather ignore it instead of, I guess, I guess, I guess it's kind of the same

thing. But let's, let's, let's, uh, end with since you kind of pointed to it, the, like, in regard to like something going. on in the tangible like news side of it. You mentioned the technocracy point. You're right? Let's, let's finish with what I think is in an alarming sense, not to make it super hyperbolic is kind of like the connected point between what we're

talking about right there is like this trans, you know, it transcends what we know. It's, what's the word I'm looking for? Transhumanist. Well, yes,

definitely. But I mean like the point of like, so we're at a point now, what we're talking about is, you know, we're dealing with what we're all describing today. But then you get into this technocratic, artificial intelligence,

you know, you know, like you said, transhumanist, like mind, consciousness in the cloud kind of stuff, where then you really get to this point of like philosophical discussions of, you know, does that end humanity? Are we even what we, you know, that kind of stuff is that's the spiritual conversation like a technological side. And, you know, so let's just end talking about that and where you see it because you guys made a point that your work is really highlighted around highlighting the technocratic drive, AI. I mean, you saw the Palantir discussion in the news recently, which we've all been calling out. It's now being even called out by the Republican

inside of the conversation, you know, this centralized database surveillance, AI building, AI government behemot that's been folding out in front of us. So, you know, give me your thoughts on it. Yeah, well, you know, like the thing about surveillance is that like people, people don't react to it when it's when it's machines, the same way they do when they know there's a person doing it. It's the craziest thing, but there is like a disconnect there. So the whole like infrastructural AI surveillance and whatnot is like this huge threat and I think it's like it leads on to how we're you know pretty soon going to be I would like to say I don't think invited is the right word but you know pushed mandated is probably more what they'll try and do is is is fuse people with technology even more and fuse people with AI and you know that's one of the things that is it that will i think that's what i'd view is what the great split is you know there's going to be some people who adopt that without a problem and there you know there's that that is what it is you

know i i just think we're in this place where where uh completely different timelines and um what's i don't know what i'm trying to say completely different walks of life are going to be shoulder to shoulder in that sense where you know you you you have those people who have absorbed the borg and are becoming this new hybrid tech fused humanoid species and those who are kind of and i don't even this is a whole other conversation i don't even know we we traditionally are not hybridized uh to begin with but this this split of knowing what it is to be truly human and you know watching how the powers that be try to put their talents in and, you know, plant their chips and whatever

else it may be. It is especially terrifying when it comes to what the financial structure reform is going to be. And I don't even know what's saying about that. Yeah. It's coming. There's the money. There's no money. And they're going to change the system to be all digital. Like, it's going to happen, I think. And what's really interesting about, no matter what I want people to realize whoever's in power, it doesn't matter. This whole AI takeover was in place for for whoever. Absolutely. And we're seeing that. Right? We're like, oh, yeah, they're just doing what anyone, if whoever won the presidency was going to do. Right. You know, some people see it. I hope, I hope it's the majority. That's what I tend to think. But there's some out there that refuse to see it,

definitely. I mean, we have to see it. We have got to look at it and be like, okay. And it's going to be a personal choice for everybody. I really do feel that way. Are you going to go along with the program? Or are you going to be like, you know what? No, we're going to start our own society over here. And I know that's kind of like a pipe dream, but that might actually have to happen. Oh, I agree. I don't, I mean, I don't, I think it's very difficult, but I definitely, you know, Derek Brose, very adamant about that. I don't think that's a pipe dream. I think it's definitely worth pursuing, you know, but you know, you mentioned that what I think is important. You know, I always think of like the time machine book, the movie, you know, the was the Morlock

and the, forget the other term for it, but you know, the idea that over time, with what we're discussing, and I don't think that much as we, as much as we might think, the human species will become two different things. I mean, it's not, it's not, they make this point about genetic engineering.

I mean, it's the same idea in either, either direction, maybe both the same time. The point is that people with the haves and haves not, people with money who will be allowed to genetically alter their children to be faster, stronger, everything they want, you know, that they will eventually become a completely different species, and especially with the technological side of it, the same point. And, you know, just in a technological way.

And that's not even, I mean, that's almost like a foregone conclusion if this just continues in this direction. So I think that's a very important thing to consider. And my point about all of this is always like, you know, just like the false binary. They drive us to a place to where it's not if it's which one. You know, it's a foregone conclusion that we're going to get this. You just have to pick Elon or Sam Olfman. You know, it's just the same thing every time.

You know, go ahead. The same thing every time. And I just, that's why. us like we can change things people us people can change things we can be like you know what we're not going to do that actually we're not going to pick those choices we're going to do this choice over here and i think it's totally totally totally totally totally available to us we just have to act we have to do you know and we it is scary because they have all the bombs they have all the the military it's terrifying but i think if there's more of us than them there has to be right like

in my mind. And it also has to do with vibration and consciousness. Like if we're vibrating at a frequency where we're like, we're not doing that anymore, we're not giving that our energy anymore. When we start loving each other and we just start working on projects to better ourselves, who knows what could really happen. I mean, that force could be so strong that they couldn't, they couldn't mess with it. And maybe they will, you know, split off. And they'll be doing their dark stuff over here and we'll be doing our light stuff over here. Like when I think about the future, I'm like, is that, that's a huge possibility. Well, and I like how, I like to say how it does really just start with the choice,

you know, like a big thing that is talked about a lot is how like, you know, we, we are, uh, we're neural generating like basically until we die, you know? So if, if people are adopting brain chips and stuff like that into their bodies, like that, that basically cuts off like neural generation. So it is one of those situations where it will, you know, it's kind of one of the things that, like, will stop and, like, calcify if you have something replacing it. So making the choice always leads to the action that brings it into the world around us. So I truly believe, one, it's never too late to change and that making the choice can happen at any moment.

Absolutely. What, you know, what a great note to end on in general. I think that's, you know, it's just, what's crazy is that it's that simple. Not to mean that it's that easy, right? But the idea is simply just making that conscious decision to just do the right thing, be the better person, you know, decide to be. Like something I say to myself all the time is, you know, two things. We'll just be better.

Just be a little bit better than yesterday. Right? Just wake up today. You don't have to change the world. Just be a little bit better than you were yesterday and do the same thing every day. Or a thought that I had from something you said earlier, which is goes back to that classic overuse statement, be the change. The real, the real quote is, you know, if we change the tendencies of ourselves, the tendencies

of the world will also change. And I believe that profoundly. And I think it starts with an individual choice to change personally, to take small actions, to change the world around you. And, you know, it's not hard to see how profound and how prolific that could be if we all just made that choice. You know, and I do truly believe that most people, at least, you know, in the world, but in this country, since our government is the conversation we're having, want to be good, want the good things.

And I mean, like, objectively, like want liberty and peace and happiness. And I think that's obvious because the guy. government pretends to be those things. They wouldn't pretend to be all the things if they didn't think we wanted them at some majority level, you know, and I think that's something important to think about. They know that we're inherently good, right? Like, I feel like most humans are inherently good. We want what's good.

Now, maybe we're following a program that has been given to us that looks good, but underneath it, it ain't good, you know? So it's just kind of breaking through that program. You know, we're all doing it in our own way. Look, I'm. programmed. Like, I'm trying to break programs every day for myself. And I feel like I've gotten through a lot of them, but then there's another one. I'm like, oh, my God, dude, how many, how many programs do I have? But I really think inherently, I know that my heart's good, you know.

And I know most people I know. I really don't think I know any evil people. We all want love. And to what you said, yeah, and that's why they hide behind these fake, oh, this is better. we care about people. Of course. Or people wouldn't follow them. Like you were saying. Well, and then switching on that inherent good and that just nature in all of us, if everyone, you know, turns on to that and starts falling into alignment, you know,

that is how the whole issue is dissolved from underneath, you know? Absolutely. Well, I think this has been a great conversation, guys, and I'd love to do it again in the future. before we end with a performance that they have planned. You guys like to shout anything out before we leave? Any final words? Any upcoming events you want to talk about? Yeah.

First off, so very happy that we could come on and so happy to meet you, Ryan. It's been a blessing. It's been a blessing. Your work is amazing. And I mean, you've switched a lot of people on in your own stride. Thank you. We, yeah, I mean, I don't know what we're doing right now.

We're doing a lot of videos and content right now. We put out a recent music video called Anti-Idle. You can find it at Spider-Landmusic.com. That's Spider-Land with the Y. The song we're about to play is going to be anti-Idle, but we do a little strip-down rendition of it today, so that'll be fun. And we're just, yeah, keep your eyes out for some upcoming releases

and more videos that reflect this awakening species. Was there something that I'm missing? Are we doing shows soon? Well, we are playing the Third Eye Carnival and Pablo on July 4th. Nice, Buffalo, Colorado. Right now, that's kind of the only thing we have going on soon anyway, other than like releasing videos, releasing music and all that stuff like he said. We started up our own vlog about some of the, you know, we still want to have fun too.

So like, you know, we started up our own vlog talking about some of these things, trying to, trying to help people out who are in the same, you know, dance of, you know, I hate to use the term starving artists because that's one of the myths that we try to debunk in our videos. But people who struggle with, you know, their creativity and hopefully give some guidance too. So. And breaking up with this technocratic. program that we're all in. Just trying to

just trying to like decode it a little bit or just you know, drive and survive. Yeah. So we're in it like everybody else. Just trying to like get through it and figure it out. You know, and we're so happy to be here. And yeah, thank you so much, Ryan. It was such a pleasure to meet you. And it's just been wonderful to see what you're doing. And, you know, we just really respect.

you so thank you for having us and you know it's it's like and likewise guys and I'm here's hoping that you're going to move to Tennessee so we'll see if that works out but it's been great talking with you guys and I'm hoping to do this again in the future and I'm sure we'll cross paths coming soon and so I'll leave you guys with a performance they're going to do here live and we'll have some more interviews coming in the future so as always everybody out there and I'll leave it to you guys after this start whenever you'd like question everything come to your own conclusions stay vigilant I think that's... All right.

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