The Last American Vagabond - Stargate, mRNA, And The Internet of Bio-Nano Things

Episode Date: February 14, 2025

Today the Independent Media Alliance brings you a panel focusing on the new Stargate Project, its focus on mRNA and artificial intelligence, and how this connects to the Internet of Bodies, the Internet of Things, and where they intersect, in the Internet if Bio-Nano Things. This is where our world has been for some time, unfortunately many are still unaware of this alarming reality. Today we will be discussing our concerns regarding this project and where this all appears to be going.Source Links:Stargate: Trump Partners with Technocrats to Promote mRNA Injections, AI, and TranshumanismMeet The Peter Thiel Acolytes in Donald Trump's 2nd AdministrationBiden admin invests $24M in researching mRNA to fight cancerThe Biden Cancer Moonshot: Ending Cancer As We Know It | OSTP | The White HouseStudy Finds mRNA Platform Itself Driving Myocarditis & France Releases Terrorist Faction Into NigerTesla's Vaccine 'RNA Micofactories', COVID Jabs Cause RSV & Gates Funded Time Release MicroparticlesMake American Healthy Again (With GMOs, Pharmaceuticals, AI & Nanotech) & The Partisan ImplosionInternet of Bio-NanoThings Is Upon Us, US Bombs For Genocide & Israel Kills Hostage w/ Poison GasCharles Lieber's nanoscale transistors can enter cells without harming them | Harvard MagazineBiosurveillance | Homeland SecurityIs Smart Dust Already In Use On The Population & Was "COVID-19" An Attempted Experimental Next Step?Donald Trump Rolls Out The AI Bio-Medical Control Grid Backed By Israel And The Deep State - The Last American VagabondCompulsory moral bioenhancement should be covert - PubMedPurdue Engineering launches world's first Center for Internet of Bodies (C-IoB) - News - College of Engineering - Purdue UniversityInternet of Nano-Things and Wireless Body Area Networks (WBAN) - 1st E(21) Spiro on X: "Elon Is Not Joking When He Says He's White House Tech Support At The World Governments Summit... A Front Man To Sell You The New & Improved Digitalized System of Control... https://t.co/50QMOO8kAc" / XBiometric Identity Based on Intra-Body Communication Channel Characteristics and Machine Learning | Office of Justice ProgramsEnabling Covert Body Area Network using Electro-Quasistatic Human Body Communication | Scientific ReportsSeeing Through the Crowd: Molecular Communication in Crowded and Multi-Cellular Environments | IEEE Communications Societywho coined Internet of bio-nano thing 2008 - Brave Search(1) dustnetworks - YouTube(1) MakerCon: Alasdair Allan and "The Inevitability of Smart Dust" - YouTube'You Can't Hide': Elon Musk & SpaceX Are Helping US Intelligence Build the World's Largest Spy Satellite Network(33) Tim Hinchliffe on X: "Tony Blair: How important is Digital Public Infrastructure [Digital ID, Fast Payments, Data Sharing]? Larry Ellison: Biometric logins are the future. No more passwords. Keep the data in the country. World Governments Summit, #WGS25 #WorldGovSummit https://t.co/OSWTWvEjM6 https://t.co/eH0A4bXX06" / XWhile You Were Distracted by Will Smith, the International Elite Met at The World Government Summit(35) The Last American Vagabond on X: "Just broke this down in a recent show. The newest misdirection from "we are the media now". This was NOT Reuters the news agency, but still obviously matters, as it should equally matter that this was funded all through Trump's last admin ending in 2022. https://t.co/GEMiWwuCLQ https://t.co/qAcikT65SW" / XThe Technocratic Coup Is UnderwayThe Trump Admin's Missing Ethics Pledges & The New Ceasefire Agreement Israel Already Plans To BreakTrump Administration: Digital Control Grid Coming Together at High Speed – Solari ReportMark Goodwin Interview - Was Bitcoin A Government Operation & Can It Still Be Used To Fight Back?Google & Oracle to Monitor Americans Who Get Warp Speed’s Covid-19 Vaccine for up to Two YearsTickets for 3rd Eye Carnival in Portland from TicketLeapThird Eye Carnival Nashville 2025 - The Anartist CollectiveBitcoin Donations Are Appreciated:www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/bitcoin-donation(3FSozj9gQ1UniHvEiRmkPnXzHSVMc68U9f) Get full access to The Last American Vagabond Substack at tlavagabond.substack.com/subscribe

You can literally scatter this stuff like dust or embed it into a sheet of paper. This was commercially released 10 years ago. It's a tiny computer and it features data processing, data storage, wireless comms, and it's probably as close to the true smart dust vision from the early DARPA days as would come so far. They're designed to harvest energy from the environment around them and to communicate by a mesh network. You saw the longer version of it, but the shorter and more technical version is into another by and other things, and which the terminology I coined back in 2008 with my PhD students, and we did a lot of work the last almost 20 years.

And the last stage of this research was or is how to detect avoid infectious diseases, and that's what I will present you today. all departments in the U.S. were looking for nanotechnology people. I want to know how these devices will communicate when everything is out on the market. It's kind of like biology-inspired nanomachines. And then also we said we can also create nanomaterial base like graphene or metamaterial-based nanoscale machines, and we look at their communications problems. This is the work that by nanonotings, as you see here,

the human body has all these nanoscale machines inside the body, like neurons, hormones, and calcium signals, and bacteria, molecular motors. And when you are interested in these Nobel Prize, a majority of the people in the medicine are receiving Nobel Prize within these concepts. And so these nanoscale machines in the human body are communicating in the human body. And so then, you know, how can we get the information from the inside the body outside, number one, number two, can we also create nanoscale machines like as neurons, like artificial neurons, artificial calcium signals, artificial bacteria? Cancer diagnosis using AI has the promise of just being a simple blood test. Then beyond that, once we gene sequence that cancer tumor,

you can then vaccinate the person, design a vaccine for every individual person, to vaccinate them against that cancer. And you can make that vaccine, that MRNA vaccine. You can make that robotically, again, using AI in about 48 hours. All right, welcome back to another IMA panel, the Independent Media Alliance. We're here today to discuss a very important conversation, something that you guys, pretty much on every one of our channels has seen conversations about. And this is the larger point is around the Stargate project, how that intersects publicly

and obviously with the MRNA cancer shot and the platform that that's going to build on top of everything else, the overlap with artificial intelligence and the many different characters we can get into that are aligned along that, not even including Elon Musk, which I clearly think is involved in all of this,

but the main point is the intersection between all of that and something we've been talking about, which is the Internet of Bodies, the Internet of Things, which are technically two separate concepts, one meaning your refrigerator and your devices being connected to the Internet, which is alarming in and of itself, in my opinion.

Then you've got the Internet of both, bodies, which is talking about somewhat devices that are on your body or interconnected in some way. Then you've got something called the internet of nano things. And this is the, what's interesting about this, and I've got some videos queued up we'll talk about today. This is where it's been for a long time, at least the conversation. And I think we should partly discuss whether some of this might be like a ploy or feigned or not actually there. There's a lot of that in the conversation as well. But this is the focal point of a lot of the leading science and conversation, and yet it doesn't seem to be a part of much of the conversation

at all. It's kind of alarming in its own right. And that becomes the overlap of nanotechnology, having an interconnection to the internet, and being internal in your body, flowing through your bloodstream or floating through the air and landing on your skin. And these are very real conversations, DARPA being a main part of this conversation, which is interconnected with much of Trump's administration. So today we're going to be talking about how all this connects and our concerns and where it may be going. So thank you all for being here today with Evorke, Steve, Derek, and Catherine who discuss the alarm, the concerns we have for all of this. So, Catherine, if you'd like to start it off with what you were concerned about and where you see this going.

Oh, you're muted, Catherine. Catherine, you're muted. What we're watching with the new administration is they're responding to a series of changes that need to, fundamental changes that need to be made. But one of the things they're doing is they're getting rid of the old tools of empire and building new tools. And that includes taking the next steps and building the control grid. And Ryan, you and I talked about this before the election. And that is there are four things that need to happen if you're going to build a complete control grid of the kind that we've been hearing about for the last couple of years.

One is you need digital IDs, and we see them certainly forging head with that. The second is you need the fiscal side of the house to be controlled by the central board. bankers not by the Congress and the people's representatives. The third thing you need is you need an all digital monetary system. Now, a digital ID and a digital monetary system need extraordinary data capacity. And that's where Stargate comes in, which is the funding of $500 billion of data centers all over the country and the energy capacity you need to do those. And we see that as one of the first announcements of the new administration.

And that included MRNA technology, which we know is very toxic and dangerous for humans. Interestingly enough, when the president announced the Stargate Initiative, Purdue University announced its Center for the Internet of Bodies. And of course, one of the big questions on MRNA technology is to what extent, is it part of injecting into our bodies nanoparticles of the kind that would help hook you up on the Internet? And we've seen, you know, if you come to the Salary Report for years, we've been covering the mysterious ingredients in the injections, the mysterious ingredients in the spring, the mysterious ingredients in the food. This has been going on for a while. But we are seeing a move to literally invasively track, surveil, control, and influence the population.

And of course, if that can be integrated with financial transaction control and a social credit system, then we're seeing the ability to turn on and turn off people's payments in a way that, you know, for example, during the pandemic, if they had that system in place, that if they don't want you leaving your house, your money or your car won't, you know, your electricity and your money won't work. Or if they don't want you buying pizza, you know, your credit card won't buy pizza. So again, this administration seems much more intent on doing. doing it with crypto rather than a CBDC, which in many respects is even more dangerous than a CBDC. The CBDC, if the Fed does it, then they still have constitutional obligations to the

Congress. If private infrastructure does it with an all-digital monetary system, then you've got private and secret controls. But either way, it's something that we don't want to live with. So what we're watching is a rapid accelerating movement. to institute a digital control grid, certainly in the United States, but with systems like Starlink invasive surveillance all around the world, which we've had for decades through five eyes. But this just makes it more intent. And clearly, one of the things that's happening, if you look at their policies, is they're planning on very significant land and asset grabs along with it, which is, you know, even more disturbing. So I would say what we're looking at is, you know, and I

I credit other people with saying this. You know, we're canceling the old tools of empire and moving to new tools of control. And, of course, that makes what's happening in Gaza or the genocide we've been seeing in the Ukraine even more disturbing. Because if you look at the land grabs currently underway, whether it's abroad in the Ukraine or Gaza or in North Carolina or Lahaina or Northern California, you know, the tools and tactics being used to simply take assets is pretty scary. Yeah, very much so. And I do want to get into that overlap in the points you made on that recent article about Gaza and the kind of central location, like the kind of like the Technate seems and how they're all discussing this,

as well as the land grab overlap, even some touching on like neuroscience and how you may think that will play in. Before we get to any of that, though, what are your guys' thoughts who I would like to jump in next on where you see this going with Stargate and kind of the general picture? I'll jump in with some thoughts here. Catherine already really outlined it very well, but I'll point to the article that I wrote recently for T-Lav about Stargate and Trump partnering with the technocrats and MRNA and all the fun stuff, the promises of cancer cures. I think in the last week, I know we've got that clip pulled up from Tim Hinchliff. More and more people are paying attention to who Larry Ellison is and his role at Oracle.

And we could talk about Oracle's own connections to the CIA and contracts with them from the very beginning, we could talk about Larry Ellison's 2002 New York Times op-ed, only months after 9-11, calling for a biometric security state to keep us safe from terrorists. We could talk about him just six months ago at another event saying facial recognition and AI will keep citizens on their best behavior, et cetera. So we kind of have an understanding of who the people are behind it and what they're involved about with. But I wanted to, I'm going to drop these links in our chat, if you can share them real quick, Ryan. I just remembered while we were sitting here talking about this that you some people out there might remember that Biden had launched something called the moonshot

and there's those links if you want to put them up but this was a program by the Biden administration talking about the same thing using mRNA to fight cancer you know using mRNA vaccines and I'm sure I remember at the time I know Whitney talked about it I know we've reported on it and I'm sure there were some conservatives right-leaning folks Trump supporters who were like oh my god Biden's bringing about the mRNA cancer vaccines this is something we should be weary of and you know the amount isn't nearly the same. I think it said it was like a couple hundred million or 24 million. So it's still a lot of money, but nowhere near the amount that Trump has been able to secure or is allegedly coming from Oracle and from Open AI and others. But nevertheless, I just want to make that point that this is, Trump is really in a way just kind of continuing and picking up a trend that the Biden administration started with the moonshot M RNA cancer vaccine program. I don't know if you remember this or not there, but both Biden and Trump had like fake cancer charity. And both of them were exposed to be just giant money laundering operations.

It's Biden's was because of his kid that, you know, Bo, I think that was the one that died from cancer because of exposure to burn pits in Iraq. And then Trump had a fake cancer charity too. So this is kind of an ongoing grift that has now merged with the broligarchs. the tech bros shout out to Jason Basler for that one and it's been the cover for it has been provided by the people that I've been calling

broflakes because they're not snowflakes anymore because Trump's in but it's the exact same mentality where there's an inability to see past I don't know in this case I guess liberal tears and then you wind up cheerleading for an absolutely insane transhumanist ideology because you think you're winning. And we see so much of that going on right now where people will just grab the pipe,

packet full of opium, take a big old hit and tell you that, you know, it's okay that all of the AI stuff is happening. It's okay that the digital prison grid is being built out. It's okay that we're entering into an era of the internet of nanow things because, you know, we're winning. Yeah. Oh, go ahead. I just want to add one more thing real quick, brother. Just about up to pick up on the thread, which I do think is the larger, kind of bigger, broader, long-term picture that people should be paying attention to that Catherine alluded to. And I know that we have in the title, the Internet of Bodies, Internet of Things.

For those out there who still haven't, you know, the Internet of Things, I think is the most basic level. That's, you know, your house, your smart TV, all these sort of interconnected devices. The next level has been for years, Klaus Schwab, a lot of these organizations and technocrats have been saying, well, the next step is we're going to put the chips or whatever, the RFID devices in our clothes, and then eventually it'll be in our bodies. That's what they call the Internet of Bodies. And then there is the Internet of Bio-Nano things, which is what many people have concerned about, that there's graphene or other sort of material being placed, you know, either secretly or surreptitiously,

through the shots or other means, spraying, stuff like that, in human bodies already, or at least plans to do so very near in the near future. And I just wanted to point out that the MRNA, the whole thing does relate to that. For those who went through the entire COVID operation and didn't quite get that, the MRNA, the mod RNA that TLAB was reporting on, is about trying to begin that process of turning human beings into something beyond just, you know, what we've been and starting to begin that process of modifying. And it also leads, of course, into the transhumanist dream of genetically modifying humans in different ways.

And I just wanted to point out that as a reminder, for those who are still hanging on to Elon Musk train, that Musk was, it was his company working with the German company, CureVactor in COVID, to help make the MRNA injections. And he said they were making little RNA micro factories. And then also point two in 2020, Musk was receiving something called the Alex Springer Award. and he was talking about how excited he is about synthetic RMRNA, and he said, you can basically do anything with synthetic RNA DNA. It's really like a computer program. So, I mean, I think with enough effort, you could probably stop aging, reversed if you want. You can basically, you can turn someone into a freaking butterfly if you want with the right DNA sequence.

So again, that's sort of language that we saw during COVID about like the injections weren't just typical vaccines. It was a program that needs to be upgraded and updated over time. And this is kind of not only in terms of language, but in real practice, getting people used to this idea that the human organism is a type of software or computer program that can be upgraded. And if we can get people to accept that, then getting your latest booster or your latest update from the MRNA is not a big, you know, it's not a big step. And if I could just add, I try to track this all globally. So it's not just, it feels like America is spearheading the technocracy, the algocracy, but. I'm tracking all the places that I used to live and that I still visit.

And it's going on down here in Mexico. Many years ago, I visited the actual home of the head of Oracle in Mexico, long story. But, you know, Oracle is, they all have a deep presence here in Mexico. Amazon is throwing in now billions with the data centers. They're building in places like Mexico. It was at the market supermarket yesterday. And for the first time I saw smart bulbs, you know, in the Mexican supermarket. I never saw those before.

So they want us to start buying this stuff, as you say, Derek, install, you know, start bringing online, the internet of things. I saw the stories in Russia now. Russia had just developed protocols or regulations for smart homes. So like in Russia now, they're developing these regulations and Kazakhstan where I used to live. Now they're bringing in the ability to block your smartphone if you don't, you know, register correctly. And so this is really a global thing that I think the West is spearheading.

And to Steve's point, I'm getting some of my listeners tell me, I've made a meme out of it. They tell me your pessimism is unbearable. And I think you mentioned Laurel Canyon 2.0, Steve, which I think is great. Amazing Polly brought up the other day. She started making videos again. She said, podcasters are probably not paid by the regime. I guess we won't name names. We know who they get all the big attention, but they're just promoting this regime propaganda.

And I think some people just, they're like soldiers in the World War I trench who just can't take the bombing anymore. And they need some good news. And I think we're just looking at things factually. You know, now that we brought this up, of course, this is something that's circulating around these conversations. It's impossible not to touch on. But, you know, like Derek brought up and to touch on everything we're saying here, I think it's a really important thing. Like what you just hit on there is really important. I don't, it's important, I think, not to make this all about like everyone's willingly deceiving everybody else.

know we all know there's a huge part of that. But I think there's a lot of people out there that are either willfully ignorant and unaware of that. Like they, they, you know, it's like it's an uncomfortable. It's like cognitive dissonance, right? People box it out or some people that just don't realize they're being played. But like Derek said, or at all of us pointed out, like this kind of conversation, it's incredible to think that we can't acknowledge that this is, you know, obviously something that all of us were calling out and Republicans primarily going Biden, that's bad. We can't do that. And now the same thing's happening. And a lot of those same people aren't calling it out. Like that's a very obvious contradiction.

The point I'm making, though, to back go off what all you're saying is that there is a huge sentiment in this that is about how somehow we're over fixating on negatives, which is I'm sure that's out there. But what's crazy is a lot of us, I mean, we're going out of our way, especially the people in this group are going out of our way to make it a fact-based investigatory direction. And we're considering other things. And what's funny about it is almost as if we want the bad things. I'm willing to bet everybody here would be want more than anything for what they're claiming is the reality to be the case. because that would be good for everybody. So it's like this interesting dynamic where they're projecting almost what they're,

it's hard to frame. But I think the truth is that we're trying to break this down based on the facts and presenting what we think we can see holding out until we can see the outcome. And that's somehow being claimed blackpilled. And I think that's important to highlight. But we can see these problems. And it's the same problems that were being called out

in a previous Democrat administration. Go ahead, Catherine. Right. So I think everybody here is holding out solutions. So, you know, one of the most important things about solutions. So I know Derek's been doing the reset. You know, we've been doing sort of what the states can do. Everybody's been putting out a ton of solutions. The tragedy we see is so much energy gets spent on dead end solutions and not on real solutions. And it's remarkable where real

solutions pick up and go viral, how much gets done. And that's why so much effort is spent to encourage people into dead-end solutions. And that's why, you know, if you think about how you explain to people that, you know, the Trump administration is just leading them into the control grid, you do want to give them real solutions. So, but I think we're doing that. And I do think you have to constantly balance it because here's what's happening. So let me use MRNA technology as an example. In the summer, early summer of 2020, so the COVID, the first COVID injections hit in December 2020 and really came out January 2021. If you look at the MRI technology, I get a business newsletter, which I find to be very accurate. And in the early, I think it was early

summer of 2020, but it was early in 2020, long before the COVID injections had come out. You know, Trump did his vaccine executive order in 2019 at the end of 2019. And then I forget when he put in the big orders, but it would have been after the first orders went in. So in the summer, the newsletter comes out and says after the COVID injection, they're going to roll out vaccines, MRI vaccines for all these different kinds of diseases. And it was clear from the diseases they were listing that they were the adverse events from the COVID. And you realize what a fabulous business model, because the more you poison people, the more you give the more poison is the solution. And around you, round you go. You just keep doubling down on the profits.

And what the newsletter said was investors, and remember, this is summer 2020, expect to make a great deal of money on MRNA technology. And so they were planning even then on huge investment and huge profits in MRNA technology. technology that was going to go on for a long, long time. Well, then in 2021, I started to hear from investors around the world that they were being approached with major private placements to do mega vaccine factories in all their different regions of the world. And so you had mega vaccine factories for mRNA vaccines coming up all over the world. And investors were being promised huge profits on the notion that. we were going into world of biow warfare and these vaccines were going to save their populations

from being killed. And you needed to be able to make vaccines, lots of them very quickly, in response to, you know, rolling pandemics from here on out. And so when we look at this infrastructure or look at the president bringing up the Stargate initiative, this is something that started with the going direct reset, which is the reset that started in 2019. And it's going on. and on and on and on and we're simply seeing the rollout. You know, it's what you said. You know, this is going on globally and it's rolling out and it's a much deeper, longer, you know,

plan than anything to do with one single administration. Yeah, absolutely. And I think that's the important part of it is that it's getting couched in a partial conversation. And this is what I think all, I get to kind of, I hopefully end on this larger point. I think we're all calling out, the good things happening as well as the bad things,

but simply going, but look, if you're only going to couch this on like only this administration, it's just not true. And we can easily prove that. And then that becomes you're just reigning on the parade. And so it's very clear that this is a long span. Like the continuity of this project is very clear. Welcoming Mark Goodwin to the conversation.

Thanks for joining, brother. Good to see you. Hey, everybody. Nice to be here. Hey, Mark. Hi, Catherine. Hi, I want to pick up right there where Catherine was just say, for one just to reiterate to anyone hearing this who does still hold out this view that anybody here is

somehow blackpilled or just negative whatever um i just to reiterate i think everybody here has various ideas on what solutions are they might not be the same and they come in different forms but the key there of what katherine said is that we are not focused on promoting what we believe are dead end solutions which is following trump just blindly or following anybody blindly or just trusting that politics alone is going to fix things so i just wanted to reiterate that and uh thank you And thank you, Catherine, for the mention of the People's Reset. And I just hope people out there who hear these talks with the IMA and just our individual content we're putting out there recognize that it's not that we are, we think, that I'll

speak for myself. It's not that I think things are hopeless or there are no solutions. It's just that I don't think trying the same old thing over and over and just putting your, your hope in these people is going to get you anywhere. In fact, this morning I was just posting to my social media. We saw just yesterday, RFK officially got confirmed. and I noticed that during his hearings, he said that he stood by and believed the childhood vaccine schedule was a positive thing. He also said that, you know, he generally supports the shots.

He just wants good science. And then in another section, he praised Operation Warp Speed as an extraordinary accomplishment from Donald Trump, which obviously we know he did some great work over the years at CHD and elsewhere calling out those very things. And every time I point this out, I'm basically, again, being called blackpilled and people are saying, he just needs to say whatever to get into office. That's how the game is played. So you have to lie and do this. If he was real or stood on the truth, he would never get in there.

And my argument has basically been he was never going to get support from certain Democrats anyways. So trying to kow to like, okay, I'm not as extreme as you guys think I am. Isn't, in my view, a winning strategy. I think we should stand on principle and truth when we have it. Others call me idealistic or, you know, naive or whatever. But I just want to point out that I think winning in their terms or winning on their field, if it involves having to compromise yourself, I don't personally

see that as a win. And of course, I am skeptical and hesitant about what's going to come with RFK in relation to the MRNA shots. I wouldn't be surprised if we end up seeing him praise them. I mean, Trump, we just started the conversation talking about Stargate. And as I mentioned, this is a picking up from what the Biden administration was doing with the moonshot program. I wouldn't be surprised in the coming weeks or months or years if we end up seeing RFK praising MRI vaccines. And the other thing I want to just mention on that whole black pill term, I do think this is the new conspiracy theorist, whether it's being seated by intelligence, agencies or just people who are picking it up on the internet, this new term that as soon as you hear it,

in the same way conspiracy theorist was meant to dismiss people, okay, this is a crazy person, not to be taken seriously, et cetera. Now in the sort of broader truth freedom community, when somebody hears, oh, don't listen to them. They're just blackpilled. It's meant to send a signal or message of this person has nothing worth hearing. This person is just negative. Don't actually look at the data they're sharing. Just dismiss them out of hand. And I think that's a dangerous place. Derek, I said the exact same thing. I think Tuesday when Ryan's on on AM wake up. It's the people who had been called a conspiracy theorist for the last four or five years, especially because they were rightfully calling out, you know, the transhumanist ideology on the left and all of the COVID nonsense, know that they can't weaponize conspiracy theorist as an insult anymore. So they have to find a new word. That word is black pill. And I don't I think all of us have gone pretty deep in the paint over the last several years exposing the sciop that the black pill is in general. You know, that whole dumer mindset where well, it's going to happen anyway.

So we can't do anything about it. And what are you going to do? Why does well make a shekel or two off of it? And that's exactly what's happening with the people that I've called broflakes. And just to add, I guess, on the real quick, you're talking about MRNA and Stargate, which was a wonderful movie back in the day with Kurt Russell. And I've been thinking of Gattaca recently because, you know, Larry Ellison, he's thanks, shout out to Tim Hinchcliffe, who's sitting through all of these long weft meetings. And isn't it funny how they change World Government Summit, the name to World Governments Summit, to be less obvious? and all of these clips.

And Ellison is saying now, I use that meme from that video game in the 80s. All your bases are belong to us. And he's basically now coming out and saying, all your databases are belong to us. And Tony Blair, of course. And they're aggressively pushing to put our health and DNA data onto one database.

And I think there's maybe to get people's thoughts on that. I think one of the purposes is these guys are transhumanists and they believe that they can live forever. I don't think that is possible at all with whatever technology. And so they need our data to try to get information to put into their formulas to see if they can get a solution to extend their lives. But also, I think, for Gataka, like in the movie, to create a case system, basically. So people who will be injected, modified, and it's social credit.

I think it's one of the final pieces to get our DNA sequence for that. social credit system. So just turning it that out. I love Gattica, by the way. What a good movie, but definitely not a good look for the future. I'm the both those are probably seated to prime us for where we are today. Sorry to be the conspiracy theorist. But let's go in before I get into some nanotech stuff that I want to connect on this. Mark, since you haven't, you weren't here to start, any kind of overview thoughts on on Stargate, artificial intelligence, even like the cryptocurrency You overlap to all this and the CBDC, which Catherine referenced. Any thoughts to kick that on?

Sure. Well, just right off the bat, I think it's interesting, you know, the background of Ellison and an Oracle, you know, it literally started as Project Oracle, which was, you know, under the umbrella of the CIA. And then, you know, they incorporated it as a private business and then their first, you know, customer was the CIA, which it seems to be sort of a running theme with these, you know, huge data brokers, like Palantir and, you know, even PayPal. And so, you know, there's that, again, that movement into the private sector always is, is, is, it's an interesting dynamic to note because they run that playbook quite a few times.

And Allison, too, interestingly enough, you know, wrote this very disturbing essay right after 9-11. I believe it was an op-ed in the New York Times. And he talked about how, well, if we had a big database of everybody's information, we could have prevented this thing. It's like, okay, sure, sure, we could have. Why is the answer to all of this stuff? stuff, always digital IDs and databases of citizen data. Why is that always the dialectic outcome that, you know, that they, you know, push? It's the answer, whether it's, you know, the Trump technocracy or, you know,

2001, Patriot Act stuff. So they run these playbooks a lot. And so us doom pillars as we watch it over and over again. And, you know, and I'm younger. I'm relatively new to the independent media scene. You guys have been holding it down for a bit longer. I've noticed the cycles. The cycles are compressing and getting quicker and quicker.

And I think it makes our job easier to be like, hey, six months ago they were saying this. Now they're saying this. You know, it does make it easier when you're not working on decades long, you know, phase shifts. So I just want to jump in and point out if you read people who are working with the AI. you know, the thing that builds the greatest AI is not the smartest software developers. It's the guy who has the most data. And so if you're trying to compete with China, you want as much data as possible. So I'm assuming one of the things that Doge is doing is they're hooking up all the government data.

I mean, it's a treasure toe of data. They've already said that. Somehow hooking it up with the AI. Yeah. And there are various reasons to do that. but AI is a, it's like a data vacuum cleaner. And, you know, part of the game is keeping the Chinese from getting our data, but the other is getting your AI to get access to the most data possible.

That's, it's really, it's, by the way, just to reiterate that, that's something that I've already seen kind of floated out. And it's already, there's even a Daily Beast article, surprisingly enough, talking about the elite recording of them discussing how, you know, it was going by consolidating all of the different logins from all the different locations and to make it easier. And the main point was like, I'm pretty sure that's against the law. And the privacy act.

And he's going to start it anyway. And it was leaked. So we didn't think that would come out. But that's definitely what's about. And the whole point is using AI to make it more efficient. Derek recently pointed out an article, the whole efficiency movement is a precursor to technocracy. You know, it's really hard to miss all these overlaps.

I'd like to comment quickly on what Mark said. Can I just insert one thing, Ryan? Yeah. So one of my favorite new solutions, and I have to look more into it. Some of you may know more about it. The Swiss are putting forward. There's a group collecting the petitions now to put forward a referendum to the Swiss government that a Swiss citizen has the right to live a non-digital life.

Nice. That's fantastic. Anyway, so I'll try and find out more about it and publish about it. Yeah, let me know on that. Well, that's just great to see. You know, and this is like the point you've been to past, Catherine, and I think it's important not to forget is, you know, I'm a huge example of how this, you know, I have a hard time trusting anybody in government in any form because, I mean,

we have very clear history to back why that's a good, you know, thought, but it's never good to make it a broad stroke. Your point right there is that I would still always point out, maybe it's just that they see an opportunity in doing it that way because everyone else is going the wrong direction, but it's nice to see that there's still somebody in a position of power who's making what appear to be right choices. But I what's going to say really quickly about the cycle, that's fascinating to me because I see it going to be going to both ways, right, where we can see that it's gotten so rapid to where it's easier to kind of go timeout, like what we just did. Here's Biden in January of this year going cancer shots,

MRA, and they're like, bad, bad, bad. Now, you know, it's interesting. It's very easy to see. But at the same time, it almost makes it impossible to catch everybody because by the time that gets in, they're 14 stories down the road and some new drone fog, you know, whatever the next thing, Elon Musk is jamming 45 times a day on Twitter. You know, it's interesting. But it's, it's a mixed bag. You know, and I, to mean what that represents is this kind of rapid push to get us so kind of just

like flower. We don't know what to look at and what's going on and we wake up inside of what, what's being built. During a period of acceleration and inversion. Yeah. And it takes the opposite administration to put forward the concepts that the previous administration would get righteous and correct pushback for. Right.

And we can. And we've got examples of this all over the place. My favorite one is NAFTA. That was a George H.W. Bush program that got stomped out by the Democrats because they were like, why are you selling out American manufacturing? And then Bill Clinton got into office and they were like, hey, I can't wait until we sell out American manufacturing. And we've done this over and over and over.

Joe Biden wrote the Patriot Act. the omnibus crime bill in 1995. But, you know, Joe Biden was one of the co-authors of that. No way in hell it was going through under Bill Clinton, but as soon as 9-11 happened and George W. Bush was in office. All of the sudden, we have the Patriot Act. And this happens over and over. Donald Trump banned bump stocks that Barack Obama allowed for open carry in national parks.

it's just it's so clearly inversion and I think that it's definitely incumbent and I'm I know I'm preaching to the choir here I really do but it's you know incumbent on us to call this out as we see it and as it comes down the line but it's getting increasingly more difficult to do that because of the algorithmic censorship

that we all face, the kind of like inverted opium that most of the mainstream alternative media seems to be operating on. And so I'm very, very grateful for everybody that's here today and everybody that's in the Independent Media Alliance, because it really does represent the pushback on all of this acceleration inversion and insanity. Yeah, no, I think that's important stuff to make sure people, just because we're all on the same page doesn't mean anybody else is, you know, thinking about it that way. And so I'd like to bring this back to kind of the main focal point,

just what you're saying, those important, because, again, I really do think that what that is, and we saw the same thing during the COVID-19 mania, which I felt was just as rushed. And I think what we're seeing is this is interconnected, as Catherine was talking about, is that this is all about getting everybody, you know, just kind of all confused and basically falling back. It's called shock and all. Exactly.

Shock and all. I mean, we've been doing it all around the world while we've plundered assets. And one of the reasons you, you know, everything that Doge is doing could be done perfectly lawful and it could be done speedy. You know, you can do neurosurgery with a scalpel instead of a chainsaw. So this has nothing to do with not. You know, they can cancel all the corrupt stuff. They can do it lawfully.

You know, so it doesn't have to be done this way. The reason you do it chaotically is because you want to put people in shock and awe. And we just did a great interview with Richard Wernon on case studies of basically plunder capitalism around the world. And when you want to plunder assets, the first thing you do is you put everybody in shock. So they're doing shock and all. Yeah. And I think it's important, too, for folks that theoretically are on the vanguard of understanding what's going on. And it's like, I don't know, I look at COVID stuff.

I didn't know that going direct happened. You know, I feel like I'm one of the most informed, not in an arrogant way, but it's just my, well, my job, you know, to be very informed about specifically how government policy affects macroeconomics. And I didn't find out about going direct until like 2022 until Titus and Catherine told me about it, you know. And that's scary, right? But what did I spend all my time researching? You know, I was living in the Bay Area and I spent my whole time researching about MRNA and shedding and this and that and why I can't go into a bar that I helped open and, you know, all this stuff that was going on. You know, I was distracted by the hyper-normalization, the shock and awe, all these things. And I was hyper-focused on this stuff.

And a lot of that stuff that I was researching turned out to not be true also, right? Even though I was sort of in the dissonant counter-narrative, that is also controlled too and also has a shock and awe. to it. So I spent my time when I should have been researching, hey, wow, why did X trillion dollars go to BlackRock? You know, as the petrodollar dies and oil futures go negative and gold goes down to $1,500 and Bitcoin goes to, you know, I noticed pretty good. I did okay, but I, there was still so much that I missed that this stuff happened, the repo market failure in August 2019, you know, the going direct money manager, Fink and Trump stuff. Like, I missed a lot of that in the moment. And it's like, it's good to admit that and tell people. It's like, hey, even I

got pulled into the counter. And I was reading three hours a day about vaccine stuff and this. And not to say that it's not important, but I kind of missed the bigger plunder capital play that happened. And that was the point. So even the most dissonant aware people can still get distracted in the spin cycle, in the shock and a hyper normalization, whatever you want to say. So, you know, if we get sucked into that stuff, how does a quote-unquote normies, you know, stand a chance, you know? This is a really good point, though, about how the best manipulations use truth, sometimes mostly truth.

And I think what you're talking about is not, I mean, it may be not even called a deception, but things that are like, they're very obviously important to research and break down, but as that was happening, there's another whole bigger layer like what Catherine highlighted that had been going on a very long time. And this was one part of a much larger agenda. And so it's just that that's kind of what we're all trying to. to highlight today in a larger way is that, look, there's a lot of things happening just, you know, just because it's not trending on Twitter does not mean it's not a major part of what's

going on. And I think that's a lot of the manipulation. And that's again, not to say that RFK being confirmed is not somewhat a good thing or that there's other things that happen that might be good or bad, that it means that that's everything that's happening. It's a lot of multifaceted dynamics. And so to bring it back to the larger point today, we're talking about like the Stargate, artificial intelligence, the whole technocratic point being what most people, aren't really seeing or at least we're being shouted away from even talking about so if you guys in their comments i'd like to play a couple of things to kind of talk about this nanotech overlap can so i'm gonna just comment real quick right because i got to leave in just a few minutes but um just

to pick up on the thread and then i'll add one other thing uh so i started calling this as i think steve said a moment ago the great inversion um in or late 2023 and i borrowed the phrase from another person but i do think that is in addition to the shock and all that everybody here is describing that the great inversion is just a handy way to kind of think about what's happening. And on the most basic level, it's just the passing of the baton from left to right and back and forth that we've witnessed, you know, over decades at this point. But it's obviously deeper than that because what people are being sold is that this is the Great Awakening. This is the golden age of America. We've won Trump's in office. RFK's been appointed now. There's nothing else for us to do.

We just need to sit back and enjoy the show, which is like a big, one of the, Q and on phrases is, you know, enjoy the show, trust the plan, et cetera. So that's what I think is to me most dangerous within the alternative independent media landscape, truth, freedom movement, health freedom movement, even crypto, et cetera, is that people are being sent this, this line of thinking that says you don't have to actually be striving to create freedom and liberty in your own life anymore. You don't have to actually take any steps to prepare yourself for the incoming technocratic state because the good guys are now in control and everything is going to be taken care of. And that to me is an extremely dangerous mindset to be passing on to the audience

and just really, I think it's demoralizing. They think right now it's something to celebrate and this is why we're all being called blackpilled because, yeah, you're pointing out negative things. We're just trying to have our celebration of RFK or Musk or Doge or USAID being cut. And even with that, just a side note, I think the whole USAID story, there's obviously some positive information coming out, but it feels like did people just discover USAID? Did people just discover the foundations and these organizations that mean you can go back to Giawood griff at griffin who's you know legendary researcher and one of the people who's been around before most of us and he was one of the only journalists in the 1950s reporting on the reiss commission when they first pointed out the influence of the Ford foundation these other

organizations so in many ways what we're seeing this grand reveal at least so far if you've been paying attention none of it's really that particularly like like surprising so I just wanted to make that note and then before I do have to bounce I don't want to change up the subject but I just want to mention this article that I just published at TLAV, which was kind of picking up on some of the research that Whitney had just done in her latest article about Jim O'Neill, the deputy secretary at HHS, who, you know, the framing of our article, and I think it's legitimate, is that he might be in this position to stifle any potential good RFK may do. You know, that you said, Ryan, there might be some good coming out of this. I do have on good authority from my sources that there is going to be,

if not an executive order, definitely some action regarding water, And for those who followed my work, I've been reporting on that trial, the lawsuit for years now. So obviously, that's something I could get behind. But at the end of the day, the federal government doesn't control water fluoridation. So at best, RFK can just make a recommendation and the CDC will no longer recommend it. That would be a positive step in a step in a positive direction. For me personally, that doesn't excuse the Zionism. It doesn't excuse the praising of Operation Warp Speed and other things.

But nevertheless, in this article, I point out, I think it's at these 10 different people, including J.D. Vance and Elon Musk, David Sacks, Howard Lutnik, Jim O'Neill, Ken Howrie, Jacob Helberg, Michael Kratzios, Vivek, Ramoswamy. Of course, Alex Karp, who's not officially in a position, but is connected to Teal through Palantir and a Bilderberg steering committee member. And just pointing out that these people are all in, you know, they're in Trump's cabinet now, they've been nominated, they've been approved for the most part, or they're on the way to being approved, and they all have either worked directly with Peter Thiel, and I don't mean like they were his secretary 30 years ago or they worked in some sort of small inconsequential position, but deeply ingrained in his fellowships and his foundations,

in his investment firms. And again, what Mark was talking about, always the connections with the CIA and all that fun stuff. So I just want to point that out again, like this is not being black pill to acknowledge that 10 years ago, 12 years ago, as one example, I'll name a name, Alex Jones Infowars, would be calling out and raising, you know, the alarm bell about the Bilderberg group is infiltrating the administration. if it was Obama, if it was Bush or whatever.

But starting with the first Trump administration, they went completely silent. I did a video on this during the first Trump administration, selling how Trump had appointed Rick Perry, who used to be governor of Texas, where I'm originally from. Rick Perry was a regular attendee of the Bilderberg group, and you can go back and find Infil Wars reports from 2011 and 2012 saying, you know, Texas governor, Bilderberg, you know, freak out,

raising alarm bells about it. And then there's nothing reporting about it starting in 2016. and there's absolutely nothing on Infowars right now about Peter Thiel's influence, him being a Bilderberg steering committee member, or how many different people through him are connected to this sort of technocratic class. And I think that to me, it says a lot about some of this mainstream alternative media. It's not black pill to call those things out. It's just facts.

And we're just saying we should probably pay attention to these things. Dirk bros is where you're wrong because the globalists are getting beaten by unelected foreign billionaires. Well, wait a minute. Can we bring up the Epstein Network? Please. It's the exact same thing. If you overlay what Whitney and Mark have done on the Epstein Network, you know, there was a ridiculous move to sort of attack Whitney over Blackpil. And that's when I said, oh, they are really afraid of the Epstein Network. And they keep promising that the Epstein list will come out when Patel goes into FBI.

So I'm curious to see whether anybody thinks that. they really will let those lists out. I see, this is the problem with that. This whole administration looks like an Epstein client list, right? It does. But the problem with that is that even, and see, this is what you wade into the area

that gets mostly called blackbilled is that we're talking about just skepticism, which at what point did we stop being inherently skeptical against the power structure? Like, because your side is. So I don't see this is skeptical. So I worked in Washington for years. And whenever I would go into a congressman's office,

the first thing I would ask is who owns this, control file. You know, that's lobbying 101. Right. But the problem being is that ultimately it's right to ask these questions about whether or not, if they're going to release that, how do we possibly know that that's actually the full list? How do we ever verify that? Or the JFK file, they do it every time. Or how about with RFK Jr. in the same point? Let's say they do an EO and they get rid of all the fluoridation, or at least they state an EO that says that's supposed to happen. It's right to point out that this has all. It's, it's right to point out that this has already been on the rapid decline.

Derek's been breaking this down, the Florida Action Network. And so it's still what I, as Derek said, too, I'll say good. I'm glad that's being stated. But we have to recognize that these things are being presented in a way to almost pacify people. And I get that that can be seen as you just don't want to be happening. This is why I always come back to money. It happens simultaneously.

That's all I was going to say. Go ahead. So this is why I always come back to money. Because what I've said, you know, where I focus from the beginning of the, or from the inauguration on is. Trump instituted the financial advisory standards or financial accounting standards advisory board Statement 56, which was basically an administrative policy approved by Congress to take the U.S. financials dark.

So that was a policy that basically made the U.S. government and related contractors' financial statement secret. Now, Doge and the president could reverse that at any moment. they haven't even brought it up and they haven't mentioned it. You know, and it keeps not getting picked up, no matter how many people put that out on the, on the internet or on social media, it keeps not getting picked up. The second thing is there's $21 trillion missing as of 2015 before FASB, he took the financial statement start. So let's assume the number, if they just kept going, is now maybe $36 trillion. Doja is saying they're looking to generate savings on the current expenditures of $2 trillion.

Well, if you're cutting current expenditures $2 trillion, but you're not mentioning the fact, the $21 trillion as of 2015 and missing, and more as of today is missing, and you're not doing anything about that, and you're keeping the U.S. financial statements start, then you're just not serious. And that's simple, you know,

because it's just pure math. It's just money and math. And canceling a few NGO contracts at USAID doesn't touch it. Well, since that got brought up, and I agree, that's, and I've seen you bring this up more than once, Catherine, and it's clearly a cent, there's people in Trump's orbit, and Elon's orbit that point that out, and they just, it just gets brushed over. It's not a, and there's no partisan draw to it, you know, but what I think is important there, though, is the, hold, I was just going to, I just lost my thread there. Shoot. Well, go, go ahead, Catherine. So one thing I do want to point out is the Epstein Network was very critical, in my opinion, to helping wander and move all that money. And, you know, if you, if you, I've taken Whitney's books and, and mapped them up against sort of the different money moves and found amazing information. For example, I didn't know until I read her, her books on Epstein that it was Bob Rubin who introduced Epstein to the Clintons in 1995. He took them over to the White House.

And there were scores of meetings, Epstein, going back to the White House, and then as soon as Clinton left the administration, you know, Epstein and he got on a plane and started moving money around the world. So if we look, in fact, at how many people were deeply involved in the Epstein network then who were in this administration and are doing nothing to go find that $21 trillion. You know, I have to presume that we're just looking at the next step of the going direct reset by the people who, you know, engineered the first few steps. Yeah. To me, they didn't vote on the going direct reset until 2019 mark, but they could never have done it if it hadn't been for FastB 56 as well, I think. 100%. And you look at some of the parallels, too, of, you know, it really is the same. It's the same network.

It's the same players. and it's the same playbook. And Steve brought up, you know, NAFTA being this, you know, HW Bush plan and then Clinton implemented it. Well, what did Bobby, what did Rubin do after he left Treasury Secretary and lets, you know, Summers come in and take over? He goes to work for City,

and City takes over the biggest national bank in Mexico as the peso collapses and who, you know, shorts the peso down and makes billions of dollars. It's this currency speculator. Cabal that Epstein is a huge, you know, connected with. It's Soros. It's Lewis Bacon. It's Joe Lewis. You know, and these guys are all now directly connected to the modern version of this, which is digital currency.

And they're all heavily connected with Tether, with Bitcoin, with Ethereum, with Peter Thiel. And, you know, like Lewis Bacon and Teal are doing EOS, you know, they're heavily connected with Lutnik, with Tether. And Lutnik, you know, is buying mansions from Epstein. Why is no one talking about that? The guy who's running the guy who is running treasury, Besson, is a 30-year Soros lieutenant, you know, who's, you know, I don't care about this, but an adopted, he's a gay man with an adopted son. Imagine the right, if they, or the left, if Obama put in a 30-year Soros lieutenant, who's a gay man with an adopted son, the right would never stop talking about that. And yet no one person on the right can talk about it.

Never mind the Epstein connections. But I think the digital currency thing coming up is sort of the new money laundering is this, you know, you got Trump making a meme coin that goes to $10 billion, you know, the night before the inauguration. It's like, who needs BCCI? Who needs savings and loans? Who needs, you know, these. Well, but don't you think that's pay to play? Of course.

But you can't see where the money's coming. who bought on the initial offering or secret, right? Sure, of course. It's money long. So how is that not, unless you prove to me that's not a pay to play scheme, you know, putting money in Trump pocket for this and that. It should be one of the largest financial, I mean, much like the Doge takeover of these Palantier meta interns coming in and getting all access to the Treasury,

it should be one of the largest financial political scandals ever. But everyone is so distracted. and they're not paying attention while, you know, Musk is saying, hey, maybe we can replace the Department of Education with Meta's AI. Maybe we can, you know, replace some of these people with, you know, algorithms and, you know, we're going to be so efficient and make government smaller. It's like, no, you're going to consolidate and create funding mechanisms and create pay to plays where, you know, people that normally would never have any ability to legally on the record give Trump a billion dollars can buy a billion dollars worth of liquidity of his pre-mine token or his wife's

pre-mine token and and they get a billion dollars right in their wallet and the taxpayers don't care the voters don't care because well i he's in because you know when you can i i always tell people we used to give people presidential cufflinks we never gave them access to the treasury data in exchange for being the biggest donor so i want to engage before i have to leave i want to engage you guys in helping me stop what I think is going to be the scheme. Can I make one point quickly before we move past what you guys were talking about? Because I actually interject, is that it's important to also note on that not just the cryptocurrency dynamic, which is unaccountable. Nobody can see, which is what you were talking about, is that there's also foreign money flying in. And many people,

including Trump himself, have not fully signed the ethics pledges that are required by law that Trump put in in his last administration. Think about how wild that is. And so you have foreign dynamics, which we can see, like Mary Madelson. Well, they fired the White House ethics guy. That's what I mean. There's just zero accountability and they're not even claiming to have anything. People like many different people in his administration have not even signed these ethics pledges. And the person involved with that dynamic said publicly, like I think it was Newsweek that cited him saying they could be funded by a foreign government. We wouldn't even know.

It's like, Bing, Bing, Bing, like exactly what I'm talking about. And so I want people to think about that both with the crypto, which let's note was also pretty much a pump and dump, which is just completely collapsed. A lot of these different things did. I think that we're seeing the co-option of this country, financially and with technocracies, Zionism, all these. things it wants. I just want to make sure we point it out. And the ethics thing is really funny, too, just because, you know, when Yellen was coming in to, you know, brief the incoming Biden and Kamala administration on the GameStop debacle, you know, she had, she got an ethics waiver because she had taken six figures from

Citadel Securities the year before, which is the parent company of Robin Hood, which, you know, had played, you know, had been naked short selling. And so she's here coming in to brief the president and she had just been paid off by these people, you know, less than 18 months before. But what's the point of ethics at all if you can just get a waiver, just get a signature? You know, so the games, even that they're playing of fake, you know, sort of responsibility or, you know, I can't think of the word here. But, you know, this, what should hold these people accountability, you know, it's all Fugazi anyway when they can just get an ethics waiver and get this. And as we digitize and move further into that world, it's just going to get more and more insane. And obviously here we are.

So, sorry. They're the good guys, though, right? So I want help. Okay. So I'm asking for help here. There have been several trial balloons on two things that are sort of like a one-two punch. The first is you mandate federal and state purchases of Bitcoin so you can run the price way up. The second is you use the sovereign wealth fund to start swapping government land for Bitcoin.

So if you can run the price up, then the, you know, the initial holders, and I think you still got about 2% of the holders who've got about, I don't know, Mark, is 70% too high of the outstanding? Big position. Sounds about right. Yeah, something like that. So one of the things, one of the trial balloons was that you can do it secretly and tax-free. And certainly if you do it in opportunity zones, it will be tax-free.

So if you can mandate government purchases, and trust me, if I mandate government purchases of silly putty or jello, I can run the price to the moon. Okay, that's just how life works. So you mandate government prices, you run the price to the moon, and then you swap out of your Bitcoin tax-free for all the land and real estate and mineral resources. of the federal government. And you're watching David Sacks's crypto group looking at the quote unquote mandated government purchases. You've got Howard Lutnik and Bassan doing the sovereign wealth fund. And that's where I think they'll do the land deals. Is that also the foreign policy, Catherine? So that is that also being used in foreign policy like for other countries to say here's cryptocurrency value for your asset? It could be because they're trying to get the mandates going

all over the place. I don't know if they can get the tax-free going all over the place. But eBay is born IRS, you know, what I smell is a desire to pick that land up and pick it up cheap. And I'm grossly oversimplifying. But I think that one thing that the independent media alliance is perfectly positioned to do is bring transparency to it in a way that absolutely kills their game. And I'll tell you why. I was just looking at the state of of Utah, 63.1% of the land in Utah is owned by the federal government. 10% is owned by the states. The Western states have a lot of land. You've got a lot of really smart people and major investors in Utah. It's not like Utah to get picked off cheap. Okay. And they can do something about this,

as can the other states. But they have to see it coming. And that's where we come in. And I think if we can help people see what the game is, you know, this is. This is, this is. a game that they can't get away with but it means people got to you know bring transparency to it really early the the BLM land in Arizona and New Mexico is disproportionate to the private land ownership in those states too you're absolutely correct and we had Joe Lonsdale co-founder of Palantir along with Peter Thiel talking about how Doge is going to beat the deep state Joe Lonsdale, by the way, is connected to Doge. He's attached to Joe.

Am I taking freaking crazy pills here? How is this not obvious to everybody when you have the actual deep state coming out and telling you, we beat the deep state. And people are like, hey. Come on. God bless the president. He made it clear. He's a real estate developer.

and Gaza's a real estate play. No, I did touch on that before you leave, Catherine. I really would like to get to that part. Go ahead. Go ahead, Steve. No, no, no. I was just, I wanted to throw it to you because you and I have talked about this for years now. Yeah. Yeah.

No, I mean, I agree. And this, it's what I know it's unpopular, even in our circles, but I swear to God, I think that most people see this stuff. Like, I said the same thing during COVID-19, and I think we can acknowledge that that was largely the case. I think right now with Israel, I said this the first month in. Can we all acknowledge that the whole world sees what's going on? And yet somehow still, it doesn't change.

And I maybe you don't agree with that, but tell me what you think. But I think right now it's the same thing. This is objectively clear. Like you may disagree with who these people are, but it's, for example, the MRA thing, Trump's still supporting the shot. These things are black and white. And yet they just kind of go, well, there must be an excuse. Most of these people I talk to were like, what else are we going to do?

Like, that's not support, guys. just that they're checked out. And so that's where I think we are. And I think it proves us to not broadstroke all of them as on the other. But I get what you're saying. And I do largely agree, but I kind of think most people see it. But so the point about Gaza, I do think is really important because your recent work, Catherine, I think there's a few other people that were breaking this down in regard to how Gaza seems to be a central location for a lot of reasons. And whether Trump is doing that, what he's doing because he knows that and he's part of a larger agenda or like you said, He just sees a real estate opportunity, and that makes sense to me.

I think that this is a huge play for something much larger that ties in with the globalism dynamic, the Zionism dynamic, the technocracy, and this is sort of like the location where this will begin. And so I want your thoughts on that because you seem to argue first the water thing is a coup and at the central location. I mean, Nanyahu's been very clear. He wants a lot of the control grid infrastructure in Israel and that area. And I'm assuming, you know, they need the oil and gas. They need the water, you know, and they certainly would love to have the land. So, you know, and part of that is they just need those resources for the control-grate infrastructure if they're going to put a lot of it there. And also, how do you manufacture consent for everything we're talking about?

Right. You know, you have to champion, oh, it's the free market. It's just capitalism, baby. What, what, you don't like capitalism? What are you, Akami? I mean, that's basically the discourse, what, Kamal is better. That's where we're at. It's like, no, we're not talking about, this isn't free markets.

I don't believe. Plunder capitalism. This is monopoly creators. I mean, that's, T.L. straight up says that. He doesn't believe in capitalism. He says, find a monopoly and dominate. And that's how you get, you know, I wrote about this with Whitney and this piece tokenized

ink about Larry Fink doing this 180 on Bitcoin. And, and, you know, the, I called it phase shift dialectics. And I pointed out, you know, Malay going to Davos in a room of billionaires and saying, you know, Viva the free market and everybody cheering. It's like, well, yeah, of course these billionaires want, you know, now that they've stolen everything, of course they want deflationary money. Of course they want a free market because it enables them to get away with everything they did in this like sort of carmic washing way of, well, hey, you know, free markets are good. everything's good. So it's okay that we just plundered the world, raided the treasury, you know, inflated away your grandparents' wealth and all this stuff because, you know, you like free markets, right? And we're seeing that play, whether it's AI efficiency,

government efficiency, the real estate play in Gaza, whether it's, you know, necessitating and mandating markets for pharmaceutical products, you know, whatever it is, there's under this cover of this phase shift of towards the free market. as being the great protector. And that brings in so much of the private sector play and why intelligence has gone into the private sector. Palantir's stock is going up like crazy. Bitcoin's going up like crazy.

You know, it's such a win, such a win. Well, what's the second order effect of all of this stuff? It's, okay, well, the black books are gone. They are shadow books now. We will never find them again. So can I just point out gold skyrocketing because some people don't trust the plans. That's exactly what that's saying.

I had a great conversation with Tony Arterburn the other day about this exact thing. And what he's doing with his business at Wise Wolf Golden Silver is trying to like put these tangible assets into people's physical hands, even if you're not like incredibly wealthy. So I just want to give a shout out to Tony there. Yeah, I know I think what's interesting about all of it, though, is that it comes back around to the many different ways this is all playing out bipartisan direction, the long-term agenda. And right now, right in front of us, I've never seen this much of an obvious presentation of it. So before you go, Catherine, do you think right now that this is literally rolling out?

Are we going to see another cycle, another administration? are we going to see what you've been talking about in Trump's administration? So they're going so fast and they're making so much progress. You know, we may not see another administration. We could even see the United States break up. So I think, you know, radical changes upon us. And this can go in many different ways, which is why even though it feels like we're not getting our message out there, I think we are. And I think the more we can get our message out and the more we can encourage people to start taking lots of actions with what they can do at the state and local or network level, you know, we just need to keep doing it because you, you know, the nature of freedom is it always looks, you know, kind of bad or hopeless.

And then suddenly things shift. And what you're seeing all around the world, the U.S. is sort of walking away from their allies, leaving them high and dry. And now they're all sort of in a state of shock or looking their wounds. But what is coming, and Gaza's a big part of this is you have billions of people all around the world, including government leaders saying, something's wrong here. We're not playing. So what can we do? And we're in that interim period where a lot of people don't know what they're going to do or haven't coalesced yet. But I think the game is much more fluid than we think.

And that's why we just got to do exactly what we're doing. And I so appreciate everybody here also because we're from many different places and many different countries. And that's what we got to do. We just got to be networking so that we can see it whole. I found the comments on what's going on in Mexico really fascinating. But that's what we need. We need to be working together to see it whole. And just on Mexico real quick, I interviewed someone.

recently haven't published, he's a cybersecurity guy, veteran, and he was saying we might see US airstrikes on Mexico this year, and I've been seeing signals that maybe that's possible. Ed Calderon, who I've had on my podcast, I saw a clip of him yesterday saying that cartels might go after Americans in Mexico. I might have to get out of Dodge, but that plays into what you're saying, Catherine, about U.S. disintegrating, because if something like that happens, I think is going to have to do with what's happening in in Mexico. And I had a guest I interviewed recently at People's Reset. I'm starting with a Spanish edition of my podcast.

And he was saying, I had no idea, the state of Nuevo Leone in Mexico, there's a secessionist movement for some Mexican states as well. And I think that plays into this whole dynamic. Absolutely. Yeah, definitely. Great conversation. I got to go, guys. Thank you.

Thanks, Catherine. It's always a pleasure. Well, I was going to ask you guys in general. So we, it's funny, I really, this is what I love about what we, this group and, and just kind of setting out a conversation and seeing where it goes. We didn't really get to a lot of the things that we were kind of the title and so on, but I thought we had a great conversation about this general thing. Did you guys want to get into any further more technical stuff about the artificial intelligence, the nanotech, the internet of bodies, or did you feel, you just want to wrap it now? I thought it was a great conversation. I'll let you guys decide.

Well, I just wanted to say one thing that I think, you know, we cover this a little bit, Ryan, when we talk kind of this, the, the, the, bigger Bitcoin play here is, you know, it's not a mistake that, you know, the crypto and AI czar is the same guy and where there's this overlap here. And I think one of the main ways that David Sachs, by the way, for those don't know. Yeah, David Sachs, the founding COO of PayPal. He was kind of the guy that, you know, made PayPal the internet of money, basically. And he, he, initially it was, it was a Palm Pilot company where you could beam, you know, dollars between Palm Pilots. And he came on and he was like, I'm not going to do this unless we turn to email because, you know, we live in Silicon Valley and there's like eight people that own Palm Pilots, but everybody has email and that's where it's going. And he really was the literally an ex-McKinsey guy came in and sort of, you know, took the company from this like techno focus group into like actually scaling as a business.

But, you know, him coming in as the AI cryptos are and how those overlap. app. And I think it's also, you know, relates to the, the bioplay too. But, you know, AI really is a useless without large, you know, caches of data. And then also crypto, the way that it works with these public blockchains is there creates this asymmetric informational advantage to have, you know, the heuristics, you know, that you can do on public blockchains, which you don't need warrants for, right? It's like kind of this, this wonderful thing for the public sector to, to spy on us without warrants, you know, you need large amounts of analytical computation to be able to sort of triangulate and identify payments on these public rails.

So even though we all technically have access to the public blockchains because they're public, you know, to me and you, it's sort of a useless, you know, X, X gigabytes of data because we can't really parse it because we have nothing to, no context to set. And it's really pseudo anonymous for us. But if you pair that up with, say, a Palantir with, say, an Oracle, all of a sudden, you have warrantless surveillance of every single transaction on the blockchain. And that's a really scary thing. And, you know, I'm kind of this like coming out of the Bitcoin community a little bit and sort of,

you know, I'm the blasphemer now kind of, you know, saying a lot of these things that, you know, there's a lot of issues with public blockchains. There's a lot of good, too, that can still happen. And it's fun. There's a lot of things we can do that is cool. But, you know, the majority of people are going to get kind of run over by this thing. Whereas, you know, maybe 10 to, you know, 50,000 people are going to, you know, make some money here and have some funds to fight back. That's cool.

But, you know, the billions of people remaining are really going to just get stuck with, you know, warrantless, surveillance, programmable, seizable money. And that sucks. So AI is a huge part of that. And that's why they're connecting it at the regulatory level. And, you know, it's a scary hill to tumble down. But we are full steam ahead doing that right now at the onset of Trump's administration. And don't forget, real quick, Steve, that Ellison already said that they were going to be using the health data from Oracle, by the way, which was the Palantir, or the, like as Palantir was included. But the point being, that was the Monsef Salawi pharmacov vigilance for two years.

But nobody ever got to see, which I guarantee shows that they, killed people that now they're overlapping to train the AI that they're using to control our lives. And I see that as interconnected. Go ahead, Steve. It is 100% interconnected. And just one more like final thought on the whole, you know, black pill thing. When you hear somebody level that at any of us who are just trying to do what we've always done, which is our responsible due diligence for any civil. situation involving a government or the public private partnership know that that's a I don't know it did an okey-doke I know we're on YouTube and all that kind of stuff I've I've gone

almost an hour and a half without saying a cuss word I'm pretty proud of me I am but understand that that's a deflection that none of us did not cast a not Ryan, not her boy, not Mark. Nobody here, not there is blackpilled in any way, shape, or form. In fact, we're all going out of our way to get through it, to get together with people in real life, to highlight solutions every single day of how we can get out of this technocratic hellscape that's being forced on us.

And it's just, it's one of those things that, Like it's kind of, kind of twisting me a little bit in terms of having to deflect from that or defend it every day. And look, dude, I've got sharp elbows. I'll get in the pit. I'm ready for it. But man, we need you guys. Right.

We need all of you who are listening to go ahead and carry that message forward. We're offering solutions every day. Well, I would add. doing things every day. Go ahead. Well, just simply just don't, don't do anything other than the look at what we're saying. Come to your conclusions about the data presented. Don't look at it through a partisan lens. Don't listen to what, you know, like listen to what anybody else is saying.

But when you're looking at the data, don't apply what other narrative. Just look at the information and tell us that it's not worthy of concern. That's not to say that we know for sure the outcome. That's what we're all saying. Wait for the outcome. Not what the last flowery word was stated, but what they've done up until now and then what they do next, not what they say in between those things. And this is just basic logic, you know, and this is what we're.

And so if you actually listen to a lot of our conversations, you'll get that along with a lot of solutions. And it's, you get these bullet point clips in different side of the people misrepresent. The bottom line is come to your conclusions about what's going on. And I think it's very hard to miss that there's a lot of red flags right now. And I hear that from you guys too, you know. But I'm good, good. I'm not blackfield. I'm with legal men.

I'm cyanidefield. No, I'm kidding. I had two quick questions for Mark since he's here. one is, you know, with the Bitcoin stuff, I kind of listen to the Maxis and the skeptics and just try to form. I mean, that's what we're all doing here. You guys just outline. We're listening to everything and coming to your own conclusion.

I found this interesting account. I don't know much about him. Jacob King, who's skeptical on Bitcoin, but then he's hawking XRP. But, you know, I also had to sit down with. Yeah. And I had to sit down with Aaron Day last week. I published that chat with him for an hour. And Jacob just posted something about tether being the glue holding up the entire crypto market.

And, you know, Aaron Day sort of talked about that as well, that, you know, if tether collapses, everything can just fall down like a house of cards and just going back to what Catherine was saying, where, you know, they've got displayed to swap out assets. So I'm kind of seeing like there's two options here where I think you've written about this market, of Bitcoin dollar and all that, where they go to like a Bretton Woods 3.0. So they create a new Brettonwood system where the dollars not backed by gold or oil, but now by Bitcoin. And this is the new system that goes forward.

Or like as Catherine was pointing out, that it could collapse. So they might have a short-term play where they swap out assets and tether collapses and Bitcoin collapses or it becomes a new system. Just any thought on that. Or they say, but don't worry. Here's your crypto. So it's all good. We saved it for you. That's what a lot of us see coming.

Go ahead, Mark. Right. Well, first off, we, it's about it. a long time coming we should do a pot man we it deserves a long talk we we should do this because because we could easily talk about this for like i'd watch that three hours man um but um i i reject the the sort of the tether truther narrative i've always been sort of against it there's kind of like one main guy this account bitfinexed uh bitfinex is the parent company that tether is under their a bitcoin exchange they were sort of infamously hacked one of the largest deposits

of Bitcoin at the U.S. government, the U.S. Marshals right now is actually from BitFinex. They got, you know, six figures of Bitcoin hacked. But anyway, it's this exchange that then operates Tether. They're the issuer of Tether. And they tried to deny being related, but they're very related. But this account, BitFinex has, you know, been blocked me for years. And his whole thing is that, you know, for years that, hey, tethered is not, you know, will never pass an audit.

Tether doesn't have the T-Bills backing, you know, it's this fraud. It's this fraud. As soon as it collapses, Bitcoin will collapse. Well, they've been saying that for eight years. And all we've done is seen Tether go from, you know, under 10 billion in 2020 to 160 billion. And who holds their treasuries? It's Cantor Fitzgerald, which was, you know, is the CEO currently is about to be our new commerce secretary. And is one of 24 primary dealers with the New York Fed.

you know, the number one, you know, a broker for U.S. debt. You know, they trade more treasuries than anyone else. Insider of insiders. Exactly. It's like, I'm sorry. Yes, they set up tether to be this amazing, you know, misdirection of this offshore company and yada, yada, but like they are as nationalized as you're going to get. They have the FBI on their platform, the Secret Service, the Inc.

you tell fund a chain analysis are all onboarded. Yeah, exactly. So it's like, I don't think that they're going to collapse. I think that the U.S. government needs them more than they need the U.S. government. I mean, I think that they can, you know, service the demand and buy trillions of dollars, eventually of treasuries of T-bills at a time when, you know, nationals otherwise are dumping T-bills. So I think that the U.S. needs Bitcoin. It needs stable coins.

Lutnik is now our Commerce Secretary. You know, it's, you know, I saw this post the other day, and I'll leave it at this. But someone was, you know, this Bitcoiner was, you know, oh, man, you know, the president holds Bitcoin. The Vice President holds Bitcoin. The Commerce Secretary holds Bitcoin, billions of Bitcoin. the secretary of the treasury holds bitcoin the director of the national intelligence holds bitcoin the incoming FBI head holds bitcoin the head of HHS holds Bitcoin just listing all the stuff and bragging about it right being like look at what we've done and it's like okay is this

really this anti-state revolution if every single important person coming in in this administration is holding this thing that's about you know the head of the FBI being a bitcoin or is that really like a good thing. Like what, maybe that shows, you know, this idea of teal saying, you know, my friends at the FBI tell me they'd rather criminals use Bitcoin than a $100 bill, right? So we know they're phasing out cash. We know that they're moving towards, you know, a digital money. So how do you do it? Well, you set up this big dialectic, push tether offshore, where in reality, you know, they're actually this, you know, crucial figure and pillar in national security of dealing with our debt and dollarizing the globe.

So I think a lot of the people have kind of missed that and they're still stuck on this tether truth or thing of it's going to collapse. It's a Ponzi. It's this. It's like, well, it really isn't and it hasn't been. Now, they may do a controlled demolition and move in the next stable coin that's heavily regulated. You know, I think that PayPal has their stable coin that's ready to go.

And I've written quite a lot about that about how I think it will probably start to overtake tether. But I don't think tether is really going to pop in any way that wouldn't be a controlled thing to just set up the next one because the mechanism is way too important to dollarize to continue the economic hedgment of the U.S. government, of the U.S. dollar. They need a neutral reserve asset to inflate into, and they could do gold, but everyone else would get rich in the world. If they do Bitcoin, it's pretty much just the U.S. And so I don't see why they would monetize and inflate into another asset other than Bitcoin. And then they need stable coins to be the debt buyers of last resort. And if they can kind of do both, you know, they have a good chance of sort of establishing, you know, economic hedgemen for the next 300 to 500 years, depending how long this Bitcoin experiment can kind of last.

And that's a whole other cycle of reserve currency of the world, right? you know typically it's about a 300 year cycle so they might be able to double down and get a whole other one and i you know the u.s always does what it needs to do to preserve its it's its dominance and if that means inflating away the dollar individually they will do that because they've done that time and time again so that's the play that i think that i think will happen so i think when people are really pushing tether's going to collapse bitcoin's going to collapse by this other coin um you know who knows anything can happen. But I think the mechanism is really, you know, the only way the U.S. can really come out of

this really ahead is by embracing this technology. And it's very clear that they are. So I would take everything about that, the tether truth or stuff with the grain of salt, the Bitcoin collapse with the grain of salt. And then, you know, of course, buckle up and let's see what happens. Who knows? Well, what happens? How do you exactly, do you have a Fiat currency,

backed by something that's essentially another Fiat currency. There's no real back. I mean, that's what we have anyway, but it's weird to have one backed by another that they're both no real, tangible backing of value. It's just, I think there's so much room for manipulation in there, it's crazy, which I think is the point. Yep, yep, exactly.

So I think the CBDC that we will see is, you know, we'll see private sector stable coins, which is what we've, what we're seeing, on public blockchains, which is what we're seeing, backed by public sector debt by treasuries, which is exactly what we're seeing. And then, of course, we'll see this neutral reserve asset.

Wow, look at that. I'm officially a Tomista, the alternative Mexican currency. Wow. I like it. Oh, wow. I don't know too much about that. That's interesting. But yeah, I think.

Oh, go ahead. No, just the mechanisms that I just described there is the best outcome for the powers that be, you know, they get warrantless surveillance. They get private sector restriction of customer access. as a CBDC, they might have to accept everybody. They get a buyer of their debt and they get this public blockchain that they don't need warrants to surveil. It's sort of the best of all the worlds. And, you know, again, I do think it's an active game. I do think that there are some things that we can do.

Understanding that this is what's coming, we can position ourselves to fight back. But, you know, we knew the digital economy was coming. unfortunately I think it was just sold to us as this freedom movement and I think we kind of missed a lot of us missed the dialectic of you know well what is the second order effect of a bitcoin system and so we have to kind of just deal with that reality because it looks like that's where we're going I agree well I was going to say I think that's a good place unless you guys wanted to get anything else and I was going to throw out a the upcoming event that's going to be coming up in April that we're doing for our birthday and the carnival after that. But before we get to that, is anything else you guys want to throw out before we wrap? I'm going to go ahead and end with some of the clips I was going to play just since. All I was going to get into was the overlap of the nanotech part of it, but I feel like this conversation was really sound.

I really enjoyed back and forth, a lot of important things we discussed today. So I'll leave that for another time and I'll play them at the end. But anything else you guys want to get into? All right, Steve, go ahead and let us know with the upcoming event. We haven't heard about it. We're really excited about it. April 4th, 5th, and 6th. we are gathering in friendship, fellowship, and in the spirit of building community,

just north of Nashville, Tennessee on an 18-acre property that allows for camping. And here's what it's going to look like. All of your favorite podcasters, favorite podcasters are going to be playing music together on Friday night. Ryan and I have been threatening to do a co-covalued. birthday party for like five years at this point now we have an opportunity to do that he and i were born a day apart and so why not throw down so we're throwing down and we're doing that with uh jean owens from faithless town spiderland frank cavanaugh from the band filter uh actually if you go to an artist collective i'll pull it up the the whole thing um is

the flyers there and all that kind of stuff. Saturday, we're doing a day of live podcasts and live stand-up comedy featuring Brad Bankley from the propaganda report, Leonardo Joni, who has been really blowing up lately, and Sam Tripoli is going to be headlining. Again, live podcasts throughout the day, Charlie Robinson from macroaggressions is going to be there. T. Snyder, who is my co-host every Wednesday, is going to be there,

along with a ton of other people. This is really going to be probably the coolest party that you go to this year. I have a very blue-collar audience, so I do not charge a lot for these events. It's $90, including camping for the entire weekend. Let's all get there. Let's all get there. It's going to be fantastic. Sunday, the owner of the property holds Cowboy Church.

That's what she calls it. So we're going to have Cowboy Church on Sunday morning. And then we'll probably do another live podcast or two and then clean up and get the heck out of there. But for tickets, go to. to an artist collective.com. It's going to be a banger. It really is, dude. Scott Armstrong from Rebunk News and Rebunk Records is going to play on Friday as well.

I can't. I'm so excited about this. I really am. It's going to be such a good time. And I hope that everybody who's close can get there. Hervoy, I know that Tees was twisting your arm a little bit. If you can get there, my dude, get there because we all want to look short standing next to you. We all do.

I'd love to. I got to save up, though. I'm planning to be in Croatia for a really long summer. So it's kind of, yeah, you know. Are you guys going to play Neil Young's rocking in the free world? Probably not. We're probably not going to do the Andy Blinken. We're probably not.

However, I would play the weight. I would do. I would do that. I would play the weight. I would play jambalaya. The whole point of Friday night is that I wanted to do it like Willie Nelson's birthday where everybody that you know that plays music just comes up and plays some music. And we'll have some solo performances.

Ryan's going to do a solo performance. Gene Owens from Capeless Town that's going to do a solo performance. Spider-Land's going to do a solo performance. but we are going to have the independent media all-star jam where as many of us as we can fit on that stage in the barn, get up there and rock out. Yeah, it'll be good, man. I hope you both can make it. Anybody else listening, it'll be fun, and it'll be a great time. I'm really excited about it, especially since it's so close, so I don't have to travel that far, so fantastic.

But I think that was a great conversation today, guys. I really do think that we touched on, you know, more than even just the title, a lot of things that I think are relevant to what's going on today. and I hope that we reach some people that needed to hear what we talked about. So thank you all for being here, and I guess we'll leave it at that. And as always, everybody out there, question everything. Come to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant.