The Last American Vagabond - Stephanie Seneff PhD Interview - Glyphosate & The Engineered Sick Care System

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Starting point is 00:00:30 environment and we're going to get them out of our food supply. We're going to get them out of our bodies. We'll get them out of our body, right? Right. Welcome to the last American vagabond. Joining me today once again is Stephanie Sneff, PhD, to discuss glyphosate and the very frustrating and confusing for some executive order from Donald Trump. There he was talking about getting that dangerous stuff out of our food. We've seen a lot of these moments where maybe it was good intention. It's hard to say where things were stated, directions were set. that are not being kept. And glyphosate being the earliest example

Starting point is 00:01:27 or the latest example of a lot of those, like kind of turning back on the food diet discussion. So Stephanie Seneff here to discuss it, probably the best person out there to discuss glyphosate to kind of set the table for where we are today. So Stephanie, how are you? Thank you for joining me again today. I'm great. Thanks for having me.

Starting point is 00:01:42 As I said, you know, right when I saw that, you were the first person I thought of, I said we have to get around to talk about the alarming reality of this. So, you know, that was Trump back in, I believe, 2024 bleeding into and you know and he's had a lot of those same statements up until um i mean very recently really and rfk junior as well and so as we said he recently rolled out this executive order so we can start with this and you know just give me your thoughts on this what you know for

Starting point is 00:02:09 for somebody who's done the work you have and you know i imagine my audience is very familiar with your work from our interview from past you know just knowing your work in general but feel free to to introduce yourself and let us know what your work has been on glyphosate but then you know let me know what you thought about this when you saw it. And we'll start with that. Okay. Yeah. It's been a really interesting story with glyphosate over the past a year. All the effort of Bayer at the national level and at the state level, multiple states, they're trying to get laws passed that would give glyphosate a get out of jail free card like the vaccines have. I mean, that is just like really scary to say you've gotten on Hopkins lymphoma.

Starting point is 00:02:47 Glyphysates is the only chemical you were exposed to, but too bad for you, you can't do it. I mean, that would be really devastating. And that's where the Bayer has put tremendous pressure on the legislators at all the levels and even above the country level. You know, they're really working hard to keep glyphosate on the market. And they recognize that if they don't get this protection, they're going to go bankrupt on the lawsuits because there's just like so many now. And the big one, you know, Dwayne Lee Johnson was just such a breakthrough.

Starting point is 00:03:16 I remember so vividly when that happened. And I was so astonished that it actually worked that he got that, that the jury trial ended up with a big sum of money for his non-Hodgiansomphoma. And that opened the door. And then it's just been out of floodgate. And so I was really glad to see that, too, just that it showed change momentum. It really was a really important point in history. And it's the beginning of the end for Glyph State. I have no doubt that it will eventually be banned worldwide.

Starting point is 00:03:46 I have no doubt because I see how toxic it is. is. And it's not just cancer. And as you know, I've talked about so many other diseases that glyphosate is causal in. And I think it's the primary cause of the epidemic that we're seeing in basically metabolic dysfunction, which then connects to all these diseases that are going up. You know, we have such a terrible record in health care. We spend so much money. And people are so sick in this country, so obese, you know, diabetes, live fatty liver disease, all these problems. And of course, autism is the big one for me. I believe if we got rid of glyphosate and didn't replace it, by the way, with other toxic herbicides. That's the key thing. We can't just

Starting point is 00:04:22 substitute something else. You know, we need to figure out how to grow food naturally without using toxic chemicals. It makes no sense to me that you would pour toxic chemicals all over the food supply. You know, it just makes no sense whatsoever. And so I don't understand how we've managed to keep this going all this time. You know, I just think we need a revolution in food in growing food. Couldn't agree more. Couldn't agree more. And, you know, I, let's touch on, we're going to get to the health part of this. And that's a good point you made there that it can't just be, you know, it can't just be swapped out with something, even if it's lesser than it is still in the same beta problem. And that, that's a frustrating part. So maybe we can get into what you think they may

Starting point is 00:05:02 replace it with when that comes. But before we get past that, going back to the executive order, so you made an interesting point about lawsuits. And I agree. And I think this has been seen by most people that pay attention to this because Monsanto and Dalbert Monsanto have been fighting this for a long time that the lawsuits will bury them because there are hundreds of thousands of them. But give me your opinion on if you think there's an element of Trump's executive order, not just for just to make it clear for those that didn't read it, we're talking about not only trying to pivot to have like more production in the United States, also making it a national defense imperative, you know, not not rolling it back in any discernible way, but leaning into it.

Starting point is 00:05:41 support and then also talking about Bondi and the DOJ with giving them immunity of prosecution. Do you think that the government side of this is also worried that they may face lawsuits because of their involvement with all this? Well, that could be, but I can see his point about China. And actually, he's been pretty consistent about looking at things that we depend on China for, you know, the rare metals, for example. Right. Serious problem.

Starting point is 00:06:04 And so he's looking at what do we depend on China for and how can we get rid of? of that dependence. And I think he really focuses on that. And I think it's an important point. You know, why? And especially with toxic chemicals being put on our food, you could imagine, I mean, glyphosate's toxic all by itself, no question. But they could slip a little arsenic in there. I mean, they could do whatever, right? And they would, it's like the opioid problem in China in reverse. You know, China can poison us this way if they choose to. Not saying that they do. But, and of course, they could also simply withdraw it, which would be wonderful for me if they stopped selling it to us. that would force us.

Starting point is 00:06:41 That would be a forcing function that would be wonderful as far as I'm concerned. But I think his logic may be that he's looking at all the things that we critically depend on China for, and he wants us to lose that dependence. And that's the way he's thinking of it. So we need to make our own glyphosate. Of course, we're going to have problems with the people who live near the place where they're making the glyphosate, I suspect, because that's going to cause toxicity locally for them. And phosphorus, too, is another thing that I think we have a problem with making sure we have

Starting point is 00:07:09 the phosphorus and phosphorus is important also for the phosphate fertilizers that they put on the crops in regard to that point which is important right because this is in my opinion coming from a nonpartisan kind of look at this both sides of the paradigm will often use things that we want in order to trick us into or manipulate us into or however you look at it into something that they ultimately want and so in this case there's a valid point you made about the over dependence on this the interesting point about the foreign policy overlap and the point you made well there. But would you argue with that being accepted as the reality that this was the right direction to lean further into it?

Starting point is 00:07:47 Obviously, I wouldn't think that way. I mean, my thought would be, okay, we don't want this glyphosate from China. Let's figure out how we can grow food without glyphosate, right? That would be the logical thing to do, in my opinion. Now, I suspect that the farmers are saying they can't grow food without glyphosate. They've become so dependent on it. that they think they can't grow food without glyphosate, which is really crazy because you did that for so many millions of years, you know.

Starting point is 00:08:12 Right, right. So you said they think, right? So do you think, in your opinion, do you think it's more that they're manipulated in the mindset of that? And we can touch on the yield part of it right now if you want to get into that. And I do want to touch on it at some point today, the lie I think about the yield part. Or do you think it's that they're being threatened, not necessarily violence, but, you know, coercive measures that they have to, otherwise they'll lose certain allowances or permits or

Starting point is 00:08:34 whatever, if they don't use it. And so that's sort of like whether they demand, or not so much demanding it, but saying, well, we're forced in this. We need it because of that. Do you think that they would otherwise go a different direction, in your opinion? Well, I'm actually aware of in Brazil, there was a movie about a small town where they grew tobacco. And they had, and what's the tobacco company that they were selling to? They required that they use glyphosate on the tobacco. They could not not use it. And they had a lot of kids that were very sick. And that was a really interesting film that I watched. And there may be some of that going on here. The whole GMO system, kind of you get locked in once you get started with it. Right. And the glyphosate is wrecking

Starting point is 00:09:13 the soil and the soil bacteria and that it's decreasing. You know, initially when they first came up with the GMO crops, they got a really good improvement in yield the first couple of years. Right. So they were very excited. They got, they bought into it. And, you know, once they're in that machinery of buying the GMO Roundup Ready crops and then buying the glyphys, to put on them, they kind of get stuck in a situation where they don't know how to get out of it. You know, and of course, their soil is now contaminated with glyphosate. Another study from Brazil looked at the levels of glyphosate in the soil year by year in a crop where they were using glyphosate to control the weeds. And they found that every year there was more glyphosate.

Starting point is 00:09:52 So it wasn't going away. It was really just accumulating in the soil. And, of course, the glyphosate then kills the soil bacteria. And you get a dysbiosis in the soil, just as you do in the gut. And then it also keylets the minerals so you don't have enough mineral supply. It disrupts the ability of the minerals to get into the plants, which means plants become mineral deficient, and you become mineral deficient when you eat those plants.

Starting point is 00:10:15 There's a lot of things wrong that go wrong with that whole system. And eventually, and also the plant is much more susceptible to drought. You know, Don Hubert has shown pictures of organic farm next to non-organic farm, and the organic farm is all green and the non-organic is all, you know, what color would it be dried out? So very obvious that the, and glyphosate is a desiccant. They use it as a desiccant. That's one way in which it gets into the food supply with non-GMO crops like wheat.

Starting point is 00:10:47 I mean, there's actually more glyphosate on many of the non-geomo crops than there are on the GMO crops. So it's not good enough to buy non-GMO if you're trying to get rid of glyphosate. Right, right. And, you know, you touch on the Roundup Ready. For those that might not be familiar, this is actually. interesting to me because of how popular that topic was or just, you know, discussed. It was very, very mainstream. It was very, you know, the debate and everything about it. It's interesting to me how little it seems people remember that Glypal State became a conversation point again and people

Starting point is 00:11:18 seem to forget what that meant. So if you could just briefly give people the understanding of what it means, the roundup ready dynamic and why, you know, what needs to be done to the plan and, you know, not necessarily getting into the science, but just so they understand what that means and why they're sort of reliant on it. Well, what, What happened was they discovered this microbe that was able to resist glyphosate, was not susceptible to glyphosate toxicity. There's this one enzyme called EPSP synthase that glyphosate famously disrupts, and it's a critical enzyme in plants.

Starting point is 00:11:46 It's also a critical enzyme in many of the bacteria in our gut, which is an important point, because that's how we get started with glyphosate toxicity. And so where was I going with that? The Roundup Ready dynamic and how we... Yeah, so they came up with this idea of putting that. gene into the crops. And they did that very successfully for the core crops, the corn, the soy, the canola, the sugar beets, and the alfalfa. Those are the core crops that have this GMO gene embedded in their DNA. That's the genetic modification that is the GMO concept. And so, and then

Starting point is 00:12:21 these crops are expensive. The seeds are expensive to buy. But they allow you to pour glyphosate all over the crop. It doesn't die. So that makes it extremely easy to control your weeds. And so you don't have to hire people to pull weeds, basically, and that saves you a lot of money. So it makes your plant, it makes your food cheaper because of that. But it also causes all these other problems. And the soil ends up eroding more quickly. And also nitrate fertilizers end up spilling off more easily because they're not being taken up as it readily because glyphosate disrupts the microbes that facilitate the uptake of the nitrogen into the plant. So you get nitrate washing off. And then you get lots of problems with the waterways because of excess.

Starting point is 00:13:01 nitrogen. You get that overgrowth of cyanobacterio, you get sort of toxic, you know, red tide, all that kind of stuff comes out of glyphosate messing up the soil bacteria. Sounds borderline deliberate to me, but I mean, it's kind of hard to mistakenly make all those things happen, it seems, but you would know more than me. But the desiccate part, it's something that RFK Jr. spoke about. And this is a clip, I forget what year it was, but, you know, and he's spoken about this, his entire career. He's been on this topic for quite some time. Right, right. And he's just making it very clear. that this is the, you know, the not just what you describe, the use of it, which does have its own

Starting point is 00:13:35 clear effects, both the GMO crop and the studies around that, but also what the Roundup is doing rather the glyphosate, but then spraying it and drenching it in order to dry it out, that then very much more carries over. You know, it's, it's, it's very clear that there's a health overlap to this, which we can get into, but since we touched on the yield, let's talk about that because I think that's one of the huge, one of the most, like, the argument becomes it's a necessity because of our agriculture, because of our even foreign policy, but for the agriculture part, it's about the increase of yield that our food supply will collapse.

Starting point is 00:14:08 I personally, even in the earliest parts of the science, I didn't see how that even made sense. And, you know, just I'm not an expert, but there's been numerous scientific studies, peer-reviewed and otherwise that have come out and shown that that's, you know, in multiple ways, not actually the reality. So what's your opinion on that? Because there are industry studies that claim the opposite.

Starting point is 00:14:25 So, in your opinion, does it increase the yield of the crops? Well, I think it did the first couple of years. They first rolled out the GMO crops, but then year by year, the yield got lower and lower. And now I think that the organics cannot compete. In terms of yield, they cannot compete. Right. And the non-organic approach, the industrialized agricultural approach. And really, they also forced us to, you know, we ended up having all these huge farms with pure corn.

Starting point is 00:14:50 I mean, nothing but corn, the whole farm, monocropping, you know, monocropping is not a good idea. I think it's, I really like the idea of the small family farm, and I'd love to see those come back. they all got killed. The small family farms couldn't compete against those huge agricultural, you know, industrialized agriculture, lots and lots of acres growing lots and lots of corn. It just is not really the right way to do food. You know, we need to have a lot more variety of crops being grown. We need to be eating a lot more fresh vegetables and fruits, you know,

Starting point is 00:15:21 that come off these small family farms. And so we've got this whole processed food industry that's based on the corn and soy. and canola. You've got the oil, the soy is the protein, the corn, the corn's got the sugar. You've got the whole basis of the processed food industry there. And so people eating all these foods that have been, you know, and also synthetic flavor enhancers and all this kind of stuff so that people get hooked on these foods that are not at all healthy. When you say hooked, do you mean not just that they get, they like, but like there's an addictive overlap to that in your mind?

Starting point is 00:15:56 It looks that way. You know, people get to where they do. just the taste is so because when you have the synthetic flavors, that's also an issue because it's just, it's fooling your taste buds. It's not, anything that's not natural is not good, in my opinion. I always look for natural. Even when you buy supplements, you don't want to buy synthetic versions of those supplements. You want to buy natural ones that come from some kind of nature source, you know. Yeah, no, I agree.

Starting point is 00:16:23 And, you know, and one thing that we touched on on this in, in our previous interview, and Danny Van Kuah joined us as well, is the synergistic level of this. And so we can get into the health aspects, like the reason that glyphosate actually hurts you, and it's in a, you know, in its alone sense, but then also just how it, you know, how it functions through all the rest of it's being used. But this, what I found interesting in this conversation was the, that your argument about how the MRNA vaccination and the glyphosate, whether designed or not, we're essentially working in a synergistic way to hurt your body. And so that interestingly came to mind with where we're at today and a lot of different factors. And I'll point to a recent post that you shared.

Starting point is 00:17:04 It's onslaught on and you could pronounce these properly for me, both the, the, the, um, Chitake pathway and the rest of it are not Chautauke. I said it wrong again. That's the Japanese form. That's probably the correct. You can walk us through it. And, you know, why this is important. Because this for me, and if you guys haven't heard this stuff, I find this to be the most important part,

Starting point is 00:17:24 how it affects the stomach and the microbiome and the point about the wheat and the connection to everything. So go into this for us and how essentially it's synergistic and how it's hurting us. Oh, man. That's like such a huge topic. And it's really caught my attention for so many years. I'm still very deep into the research and I'm still discovering new things every day. I just am so intrigued by this chemical because it actually has a very unique mechanism of toxicity, unique to glyphosate. It's the only chemical in the world, if I'm right, and I have to say this is a theory that I have, which is being pushed back, of course, by the industry. They're denying that it's possible, in fact. But I think glyphosate is substituting for glycine, the amino acid glycine during

Starting point is 00:18:04 protein synthesis. That is a unique aspect of glyphosate that I don't know of any other chemical that has that property. And that is what makes it so toxic. And it's also insidiously toxic because it doesn't bowl you up. You don't get sick to your stomach when you're exposed to it. It's a subtle slow kill. So what does that mean exactly that replaces that? What does that, for someone doesn't understand the terms? What does that mean? Yeah, so proteins are the workhorses of the body, and they're made from the DNA code, the famous DNA code in the genome. And you have a sequence of a, of nucleotides that code for each, three-letter code.

Starting point is 00:18:38 So four different nucleotides, three-letter code, it's really elegant. And this is that whole DNA, you know, Watson and Crick thing that is just incredible, really fascinating, that the body works that way. But you just read off the, the machinery reads off the code and makes the protein. from the code and there's a code for glycine and and there's about 20 amino assets so it's this 64 possible combinations of those three letters four four letters taken three ways and there's 20 amino acids so this is some redundancy you know sometimes multiple codes code for the same one and in fact glycine's

Starting point is 00:19:12 code is GG X where X is a wild card so it can be all of the other all of four can go with this so it has four different codes for glycine but the first two are guanine in the this is getting too technical. I'm sorry. It's hard not to be technical when you're talking about this stuff. But people who have taken any biology know about this. And so the three-letter code makes glycine whenever you see this GGX. But when it's looking for glycine, it can accidentally pick up glyphosate instead because glyphosate is a glycine molecule. It's a complete glycine molecule. It has no sidechains, just like glycine has no sidechains. That's a unique property of glycine. It has a side chain on its nitrogen atom, but that is outside of the spot that has to fit the molecule.

Starting point is 00:19:53 The nitrogen has to stick out because it has to hook up with the other guys in the chain. And the nitrogen has this extra bulky thing sticking on on it, which is a methyl phosphonate. That's what makes glyclyphysate so unique. The methyl phosphonate looks a lot like phosphate. And so my theory is that whenever you have a glycine residue at a place with the protein binds phosphate, glyphosate can stick its methyl phosphonate in the spots. It's supposed to be there for the substrate, so the substrate can fit. But glyphosate occupies that space.

Starting point is 00:20:22 And then the protein can't bind phosphate. And when the protein can't bind phosphate, it can't work because it needs to bind the human body or the person that's happening to. I say that again. So what does that mean for the person it's happening to? So the protein gets broken. It gets severely broken just by that one change to have glycine replaced by glyphosate at that place, which is where it binds the phosphate at the active site.

Starting point is 00:20:44 That's exactly what happens with EPSB synthase. That's the protein that they've identified. The glyphosate severely disrupts. in the plants, that's what kills basically all plants. All plants have a dependency on that enzyme that binds phosphate at a place where glycine is highly conserved, exactly that pattern. In fact, the GMO crops, they don't have glycine code at that spot. That particular amino acid, that particular protein that they found in the microbe has an

Starting point is 00:21:14 aline instead of glycine. The code is different. So glycosate can't substitute. And it turns out that if you replace the glycine, so the doubt, the doubt, chemical did an experiment where they they can modify you know they have clever techniques they can actually replace the glycine with alenine in the in the in the plants version of the enzyme and when they do that the plant is completely insensitive to glyphosate in other words it completely kills glyphosate's

Starting point is 00:21:38 ability to affect that enzyme if you get rid of that glycine and the logical conclusion is that glyphsate substituting for that glycine there's really no other conclusion because if it were substituting for the substrate which is what they argue, it wouldn't be so black and white. So if I understand correctly, so the the genetically modifying mechanism they're using to create the situation where the plant can resist this, you're saying that that in a different way is happening or some different way affecting us, the same mechanism or the same? Well, yeah, I mean, it's happening to that particular enzyme, and that's a very big problem for the plant. But it's also happening to lots of other enzymes.

Starting point is 00:22:16 And I've gone through, you know, many papers looking for enzymes that. have glycine that's at the site where they bind phosphate. That's my sort of, I talk about that in my book. Here's my book, Toxic Legacy. And I have a whole chapter in that book where I argue this idea that glyphosate substitutes for glycine. I'm almost certain that that's what's happening. And they are denying it vehemently.

Starting point is 00:22:37 So there's a real battle going on between me and the rest of the world, basically. I'm quite confident that that's what's happening because it explains everything, it explains all these diseases that are going up dramatically. In my book, I show how you can find a disease, autism, for example, going up dramatically, you can find enzymes that are where genetic mutations in those enzymes, even glycine mutations in those enzymes, are linked to that disease. And then those glycine mutations are at places where bind swathletters. I mean, the whole system is so beautiful.

Starting point is 00:23:06 It's beautiful science. And that's how I can explain all these diseases that are going up dramatically exactly in step with glyphosate, including diabetes, obesity, autism, Alzheimer's, various cancers, pancreatic cancer. Right, right. There's a huge list. That's what I was getting to. And I was going to say, I recommend your book.

Starting point is 00:23:24 But I, this is what I was getting to is the, so what you were describing there leads to what you just listed off. It's just this litany of, or potentially anyway, based in your theory, all of these different, you know, cancers and, you know, and just a long list of problems. And so that's, I just want to bring that together for people to hear what you were describing in the scientific sense, but know that we're talking about all the things that we're dealing with. And so it's a really interesting kind of point there. But I had, there's one thing I was just going to jump to that I thought was, I'm very relevant there. I wanted to get into the part about the, oh, that's what it was. Before I get to that, I want to get into the actual additional parts to the, how it harms the body.

Starting point is 00:24:01 But you brought up something interesting that I think makes a point I'm going to add to what you said that makes this very specific. And you mentioned in that in your other post that you had shared about the 2006 forward use of glyphosate on wheat. And I looked up the relevance, you know, the incidence of celiac disease. And I thought it was very interesting that you can see this pretty, very, you know, linear graph basically breaking down how clearly this has increased. Now, that's correlation, not always causation. I know. There's a lot of correlations that they claim that can't possibly be causation. I think they're all causation, actually, all of them, you know.

Starting point is 00:24:36 Well, at least plays a factor. Then that back to your point of the synergistic problem. It's the only thing that causes. But you can say it's the cause of the epidemic. That's the way I see it. Well, what other things would you say would be synergistically working alongside Glenn? to potentially add to this? Well, certainly aluminum, for example,

Starting point is 00:24:52 and toxic metals in general, for sure. And of course, we have all these other herbicides and insecticides that are on our food. They're all toxic. They're all toxic. And so, you know, in the water, I mean, it's such a huge list. Even folic acid, it works synergistically with folic acid. Folic acid is a problem.

Starting point is 00:25:11 We're beginning to appreciate, the government, I think, is beginning to appreciate that. You know, we've got folic acid fortification and our wheat. And I think that's part of the problem with the gluten intolerance, along with the glyphosate. Actually, I've written about that in a web page article, not a peer-reviewed article, but just an article that I wrote on the web, linking folic acid and glyphosate together to celiac disease and other basically disruption of the methylation pathways, because folic acid is folate is critical for the methylation pathways. And what's found in the foods is a form of folate

Starting point is 00:25:46 that's very different from the one they put into the, the one they put into the wheat is synthetic. And you always have to be wary of synthetic because they don't understand the science well enough to realize that it doesn't work the same way. The folic acid, the folate that's in the food, the gut microbes know how to turn that into methyl, tetrahedralolate, which has a methyl group that's an extremely important part of methylation pathways. It's the source of the methyl groups in the methylation pathways. Methylation pathway disruption is a feature of autism.

Starting point is 00:26:14 and glyphosate is really, really tough on the methylation pathways. And I talked about that in my book, too, but glyphosate messes up critical. I believe it messes up critical proteins that have that glyphosate susceptibility motif that are critically involved in making that methyl group that comes out of the gut microbes. The gut microbes deliver the methyl group to the methylation pathways. And I should probably mention Deuterium at this point because I've really become obsessed with Deuterium lately. and I realize that the microbes make Deuterium depleted nutrients for the hose. Deuterium is heavy hydrogen.

Starting point is 00:26:50 Okay. And it has an extra, sorry, it has an extra neutron as well as a proton. Hydrogen is just one proton, one electron, tiniest atom in the world, most common by far in the universe. And Deuterium is a natural, heavy isotope of hydrogen. It has an extra neutron. So it goes everywhere hydrogen goes. Hydrogen goes everywhere.

Starting point is 00:27:11 So it's involved in every reaction that happens. And deuterium is in nature. So we've got lots of deuterium atoms in our body. But deuterium is kind of like a toxic metal. Because the mitochondria are very sensitive to deuterium. They hate it. And the body has developed this incredibly sophisticated metabolic process that tries to deliver as little deuterium as possible to the mitochondria.

Starting point is 00:27:36 And part of that, a critical part of that, is the methylation pathways. because those methyl groups, and this is going to be some science, but I really like to say this because the microbes make hydrogen gas. You know, you get gas, you get bloating, for example, you get bloating with glyphosate. And that's because the gases are not easily being brought back into organic matter. There's a whole cycle in the gut with a microbes where they take your food, they convert it to carbon dioxide and hydrogen gas. And then the hydrogen gas is used as a reducing agent to make new food.

Starting point is 00:28:06 And that new food, for example, is butyrate. and butyrate is an incredibly important short chain fatty acid. It's 70% of the food that the colonocytes take in is buterate. They love buterate. It's a very small fatty acid produced by the microbes and low in deuterium, I believe. Because you can source it back from that methane gas and the methane sources from the hydrogen gas. And it was hydrogen going to acetate actually if you want to be thankful about it to butyrate. But the hydrogen is very low in deuterium because you lose 80%.

Starting point is 00:28:38 percent of the deuterium when you turn it into a gas. That is a critical, critical point. And I've been writing about that in many of my papers. For those that, you know, to make that in layman terms as easy as possible to understand, what does that mean? What is that, what's the functional reality of that for somebody who doesn't understand the science? Sorry about that. People need to take more biology because a lot of people don't see what you're very much by how. Just going to say, I find it really important that that you include this stuff. I think it's very important because there's plenty out there that this will be, you know, you'll be connecting dots for people that very much do know the science. I'm

Starting point is 00:29:08 probably somewhere in the middle. But there's plenty. It is important to include. So please, continue. Well, I have to say Deuterium is extremely, very few scientists in America are working on Deuterium. We're a very small group. We're passionate about it. It actually was much more research going on in Russia and in Ukraine and in Hungary.

Starting point is 00:29:27 Those are kind of the three countries where the whole Deuterium thing kind of took off from way back. And in Russia, scientists identified some time ago that there were these people who lived in Siberia. who had a pretty, you would think they had a poor diet because they didn't have a whole lot of fruits and vegetables because it was up north. They ate a lot of animal-based fats and fish, of course, and I don't know, bison or something like that, but they were eating a strange diet. You would think it was kind of an odd diet, which would be missing some nutrients. But yet they were extremely healthy. Many of them lived to be over 100 and they were healthy up into old age.

Starting point is 00:30:02 And so the scientists were interested in trying to figure out why. And what they figured out was that they were drinking water that was low in deuterium because it was coming off the glacier. And the glacier water was what was keeping them healthy. And so people actually market deterium depleted water, which I believe in as a way to lower your deuterium burden in your body by drinking deterrent depleted water. But you can eat foods that are low in deterrent, and those are going to be fatty foods. So fats have the lowest levels. Proteins are in the middle and carbs have the highest level of deuterium.

Starting point is 00:30:33 So if you're eating a strictly carbohydrate diet, you're getting a high deuterium diet. And that's just going to make your problem harder because you're going to have a better chance of getting deuterium into your mitochondria, which is going to wreck them. Interesting. Is there any point at which you feel that there's some deliberate part of that? Or is that just an organic byproduct or, you know, side, you know, is there something, is there an element of where that's being added into our food supply or is that just a secondary? Well, it is interesting that we've had a kind of an obsession with low fat for many years.

Starting point is 00:31:00 You know, back in the 1970s, I remember they were, you know, pushing. low-fat diet, which I never bought into. I always liked fats and I always ate a lot of fats. And I believe fats are the healthiest foods you can eat. So you want to have a high-fat diet, not a low-fat diet. But people would try to avoid fats, you know, and it's ironic because you think fatty liver disease, oh, I better stop eating fats. And even cholesterol, you know, high cholesterol, I better stop eating cholesterol.

Starting point is 00:31:25 It's actually the opposite. If you eat fats, your liver doesn't need to make fat. And fatty liver disease comes from alcohol and fructose, you know? sugar, exactly. And they don't have any fat in them. So it's really interesting that you need to eat the things that are in the, you know, it doesn't make sense to you that you should eat cholesterol to lower your cholesterol. But I think that's true.

Starting point is 00:31:47 You know, your body loves cholesterol. And when you eat cholesterol, it goes into the chytomycaron and gets shipped straight to the heart via the lymph system. It bypasses the blood. And the heart loves cholesterol. So it is taking up that cholesterol right away as soon as it comes to the heart. and it's getting the cholesterol that it needs. But then if you eat a low cholesterol diet,

Starting point is 00:32:09 now your liver's got to make cholesterol, and it's got to put it into those LDL particles, and your LDL goes up. But it's very confusing to people that it's not, what seems obvious is not true. Yeah, you know, see, call me a conspiracy theorist, but I tend to find that that's something that's very well, you know, the other doctor, you know,

Starting point is 00:32:26 that people in the industries are aware of that, and yet we're constantly fed things that seem to be counterintuitive to the scientific reality. So, you know, it could be incompetence. I don't know if it's true, but it does look like they're trying to make us sick. I have to say. I agree. And, of course, the industry knows that if they can sell us all these drugs, you know, lifestyle

Starting point is 00:32:44 drugs you have to take for the rest of your life, and that's money in their pockets. And so I don't think they want us to know how to be healthy. And they give us disinformation, you know. They're telling us things that are absolutely the opposite of what you should be doing. So it's really sad to see that. The American health care system is really a mess. And I don't trust Farma at all. I mean, I think they're just out for money.

Starting point is 00:33:08 They like, I hated to admit this. And it took me a while to accept it. They like us to be sick. And it makes sense because they can make money as long as they can sell us their drugs. And there's numerous examples of people in, you know, even tangential industries, but from pharma, basically admitting that, you know, that their policy, their interest is not, you know, like many industries we deal with today, but is just keeping the problem dealt with not actually removing the problem because you're saying that you're never any stream of revenue you know and this

Starting point is 00:33:36 this is this doesn't even need to be sold on people today most people have come to terms with the kind of dark reality of how this all works yeah this pharmaceutical industry is not very well respected i have to say i want to get back to acromancea because you mentioned it and it's a very interesting microbe it's become a hot topic lately in the research literature a lot of papers you can show that one glit sits on oh there you go nice the gut club yes right i posted that And it's really interesting because acrimancy is a very important microbe in the gut that is suppressed by glyphosate. There's studies have shown that. I think there's at least two studies that have shown that acrimancy is suppressed by glyphosate.

Starting point is 00:34:16 And acrimancy is a really interesting bug because its only food is the sulfomucin's that line the gut. So there are cells in the in the gut lining that make these sulfomucin, which are these complicated sugar change with sulfates attached to them. and then the acrimancia eat those and they consume them and they break them down and they break them down into small molecules and then they convert them to fatty acids like butyrate so there's a complete cycle where the colonocytes are eating the buterate that's produced by the acrimancia and the acrimancy are eating the sulfomucin that are produced by the by the gut colonocytes you know so it's a it's a circle and the whole process is a distilling process to get rid of the deuterion that's what I think because when they do

Starting point is 00:35:01 that conversion of the sulfamucin's back into butyrate, they go through a cycle of hydrogen gas, and the hydrogen gas is 80% depleted in deuterium. So they produce buterate that's low in deuterium and feed it to the colonocytes. And the colonocytes in turn make the stuff that they can eat so they can do it again. So it's a complete cycle of stripping away the deuterium from the food source for the colonocytes to keep them healthy. And into the other part we were talking about in regard to how this connects, at least as I was understanding this, is essentially what you're what you're highlighting here as you ask, if you heard the term cancer microbiome and the discussion of whether this overlap is causing

Starting point is 00:35:43 essentially, well, why don't you better explain it for me? Because I'm just kind of, I read this earlier and I found this really insightful. And that's why I was thinking about the larger connection to how it was used and the wheat point. But so how does this then translate into the effect on the gut. So that's what I can. Well, there's another interesting thing is acrimancia produces a protein called P9, and that protein stimulates the colonocytes to release the L cells in the colonel to release GLP1. I don't know if you've heard of GLP1. Wegovi? How about Wigovie? No. So there's these drugs that have come out recently, originally to treat diabetes and now to treat obesity and people are going wild over these drugs. They're very expensive. GLP1 analogs.

Starting point is 00:36:29 They're called, you know, receptor. They bind to the receptor and pretend to be GLP1. And there's a huge market for these. And I think the healthcare industry is going to go broke. The insurance agencies are going to go broke on paying for these GLP1 analogs because people are taking them like candy to try to lose weight. And they work really well. And they can They can cause you to delete to get rid of a lot of weight. And as soon as you go off of them, you blow up. I mean, you very fast gain that weight back. It's just an ozempic overlap?

Starting point is 00:37:01 Ozempic, right, Ozempic and we go over it, yes. And there's other ones too, but they're very, the industry is having a ball with this stuff because they're selling it to huge numbers of people and they're trying to get the insurance to cover it, which it does for diabetes and sometimes also for obesity. And so, and then the person gets hooked on it. And then the insurance says, well, we can't afford to keep on paying this, we're going to take away your insurance. You don't have to pay it out of pocket. And now they can't afford it. And so they go off it and then they get fat again.

Starting point is 00:37:28 They grow back fat. They lose protein and they get back fat. So they end up with a higher proportion of fat in their body. It's just more weight than they started with. It's a complete nightmare. It's impossible not to see that as some kind of a design, you know. And I'm not going to name names, but those examples of very well-known people out there going through that process right now on camera, you know, and it's, it's interesting to me that it, you know, so do you find that dangerous, other than just the obvious danger of that happening with your, the rapid change and body weight and everything else? Is there the ozimic or whatever other versions of them? Do you find that to be dangerous to the body based on how you explain? I think so. I put it right up there

Starting point is 00:38:05 with statin drugs. I hate the statin drugs and I wrote about them, you know, years ago. That was another big topic of mine. I think they're a big mistake. I don't think anyone should be taking a statin drug. And again, cholesterol is so essential for your body. And to think that you would take a drug that would actually be toxic to the liver to prevent it from being able to make cholesterol is just insanity in my view. And the science backs you up. I mean, you were right when you made that claim. But as you probably documented yourself, peer-reviewed science, you know, it's, I mean, somebody who got a lot of attention for it during the COVID time was Dr. Mahlera, who came out and made that argument as well. But it's, I mean, do you think the body of science backs that up and it's just being disregarded?

Starting point is 00:38:44 Oh, absolutely. I think there's no question. And you look at the number needed to treat versus the number needed to cause harm. No question. I mean, I don't know that there'd be anybody who would have such a bad situation with heart disease that statins would be well motivated. I really don't for them, you know? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:39:03 I think they're basically a poison. You're taking a poison. Yeah. Well, I mean, isn't that the exact reality of how chemotherapy operates or any number of them? Absolutely. And that's another one I don't agree with, you know, cancer. Cancer is very interesting because I think cancer is actually, and I've written about this, cancer comes about because of too much deuterium in the mitochondria.

Starting point is 00:39:24 And cancer is a way to fight back. It's really, really interesting. When you look at a cancer, a tumor and how it works, you know that they have this very weird metabolism where they take in lots of sugar and they use glycolysis to turn it into lactate. And then they ship out the lactate and give it to anybody else besides themselves. If they're unloading a lot of lactate. And lactate is a low deterium nutrient. And then they have these immune cells that swarm into the tumor environment.

Starting point is 00:39:51 You know, the immune cells are in there. But the tumor tells the immune cells, stand down, stand down. So immune cells refuse to fight the tumor. They let it grow. And they do that because the tumor is giving them all kinds of good stuff to help them get well. So I think the tumor is actually, the tumor shuts down its mitochondria. It doesn't use them the way you normally would. And as a consequence, it's not.

Starting point is 00:40:13 really sensitive to deuterium. So the tumor doesn't mind if it gets a lot of deuterium in its mitochondria. And it actually concentrates deuterium in the cytoplasm. And it pumps out deuterium-depleted protons into the environment, along with the lactate and other things as well. It really the tumor is working very hard to try to suck up deuterium and deliver to the rest of the world things that are deuterium depleted, water, nutrients. And then the, the, the, the immune cells that are hanging out in the tumor environment, they're not there to fight the tumor. They're there to take advantage of what the tumor is giving them. And once they get healed, their mitochondria get healed because the tumor's been providing

Starting point is 00:40:52 them with all this good stuff. Now they're strong. They could go fight the tumor. So they will fight the tumor and clear it out. In fact, the tumor cells will decide to shut down once they notice that they've solved the problem. So the whole problem with the tumor is actually systemic deuterium toxicity in the mitochondria. So in that vein of thought, then the, is it the rest of the toxicity from the world that keeps these things becoming a problem?

Starting point is 00:41:18 So if somebody in the world has developed cancer and they flesh out all the negative things causing it, in that vein of thought, it would eventually just peterate itself out? I think so. I think if you just went on to a very, into a very, very healthy environment, if you have cancer and you go to a very healthy environment and probably drink deterrent deplete water, that's actually a very, the use for deterrent deplete of water is to treat cancer. And there's Somaliai is, I don't know how to pronounce it, S-O-M-L-Y-A-I. He's really the leader in this space. And I believe he's in Hungary or something. He's been really promoting the idea. And he's written a couple of books.

Starting point is 00:41:53 I read one of his books showing that he gave these cancer patients to Cherim-depleted water. And it really helped them to live a lot longer than their predicted lifespan. Through that water. And just the water alone. You know, but I think going to a very, you know, move to some place with there's no toxicities in the air. The air is fresh and the water's fresh and then eat organic food and eat lots of high density, high nutrient density foods. That's how I would treat a cancer if I, if I had cancer. That's how I would treat it.

Starting point is 00:42:25 Interesting. Yeah. I mean, and, you know, back to the obvious, you know, starting point of today is that what we're leaning into now is, is scientifically shown repeatedly to be causing cancer. And so, yeah, I mean, the chemotherapy causes cancer. And also, if you think about it, it, what it, they target the chemotherapy towards cells that proliferate because cancer cells proliferate. But the immune cells proliferate too. You know, their, their cells that do a lot of proliferation. And so the, the chemotherapy is very, is very dangerous, very damaging to the immune cells. And so it's killing off the immune cells in the tumor that are there to fight the tumor

Starting point is 00:43:01 if they can fix their mitochondria. And the tumor will fix their mitochondria if they let it. So in other words, you're killing off both the source, which is the tumor of the Deuterium Depleted Nutrients and the machinery to fight the tumor if you could fix that problem. So in other words, you're doing the exact opposite thing from what you should be doing in taking chemotherapy to try to cure the cancer. It's very counterintuitive, but what you need to be doing is fix the immune system. Right, exactly. And the way you fix it is by providing it with low deuterium nutrients.

Starting point is 00:43:30 So eat a high fat diet, drink deuterium depleted water. Get out in the sunlight because that can actually help to stimulate. a lot of good things. The sunlight is very, very health-giving. And as you just described, you know, the kind of a scorched earth attack, you know, in many cases can wipe out the cancer as well, but this is why it comes swinging back around at about six months. Of course, they only map it to four and go, hey, success, it's gone. It forces the tumor to metastasize is what it does. So the chemo increases the risk of metastasis, and metastasis is what ultimately kills you, usually. Yeah. I was just simply pointing out that what you described,

Starting point is 00:44:06 there creates that you know because it wipes out everything as well it just causes and of course if you do not box out all the negative things that caused in the first place it just inevitably comes back around and that's what it seems to be the the usual cycle of people in this the world it seems but more so in this country than anywhere i can see or it just becomes a usual process what i don't know off the top of your head you know last time i checked the numbers were something like one and every two people in this country will get cancer before they're so frightening it's really frightening yeah it's sad and and we've so poorly the pharmaceutical industry's understanding of cancer is completely broken. Also, of course, Alzheimer's disease, that's another one where they're putting these drugs together

Starting point is 00:44:44 that are not useful. And they're totally focused on amyloid beta, which is the wrong place to focus for Alzheimer's disease. They don't get anything right. I don't, it does look like they're intentionally trying to figure out a way to fool us into thinking that they're treating something and get us to buy these expensive chemicals that aren't working. I mean, it's just insane. It really is. I agree.

Starting point is 00:45:04 Well, what other, you know, because we talked about cancer, obviously, and that's one of the most obvious points around glyphosate or any others, but what other other ailments do you feel are being potentially caused by specifically glyphosate, but we can broaden it into the larger point of what these things are, herbicide, but in your mind from glyphosate, other ailments that are being caused? And then on top of that, are there other things that are being used that you feel are adding to that, that you know this kind of synergistic problem well what i'd like to talk about is glyphosate and melatonin because that is where i've really centered lately and i've just written a draft of a chapter for a book

Starting point is 00:45:44 that don huber is going to be editing the editor of a book on glyphosate and and so this is very fresh on my mind but i've really come to an epiphany uh lately that glyphazate's disruption of melatonin is central to glyphazate's toxicity melatonin and so uh and and and glyphysate's toxicity melatonin and so uh and So first of all, melatonin is also very, very interesting. As you know, melatonin produced by the Pineal Grand at night, it regulates the wake sleep cycle. Lots and lots of people. Sleep disorder is one of the diseases, one of the conditions that's going up dramatically. It matched to glyphosate's use going up, you know, a very strong match.

Starting point is 00:46:23 And so sleep disorder is that's also connected to autism. And many people are suffering from sleep disorder. And melatonin is critical for regulating the wake sleep cycle. The pineal gland is getting damaged by glyphosate, and I've written a paper about this where glyphosate chelates aluminum in the gut and carries it across the gut barrier, takes it up to the brain. The pineal gland is outside of the brain-but brain barrier. And the pineal gland tends to accumulate a lot more aluminum than other parts of the brain anyway.

Starting point is 00:46:52 But glyphosate delivers aluminum to the pineal gland. And the pineal gland gets more and more aluminum as you get older, and the aluminum wrecks it, and then the pineal gland can't work. and you can't deliver the melatonin. Worse than that, the melatonin itself is compromised by glyphosate. Now, melatonin is a product of the shikaze pathway. Triptophan comes from the shikramate pathway, which glyphosate blocks. The microbes can't make enough triptophan.

Starting point is 00:47:15 You have a triptophan deficiency, and that's going to lead to a melatonin deficiency because you need the triptophan as a precursor to melatonin. On top of that, this is a really interesting part that I had only figured out the last couple of years, maybe. And I have a paper on that that's available as a preprint, is under review right now. So I'm hoping to get that published on melatonin and the unique aspect of it, which has to do with the methylation pathways. And it's really fascinating. Let me see if I can explain this to you because, you know, you think of the pineal gland as the source of melatonin

Starting point is 00:47:46 in the body. And, but what you don't realize is that the gut in the micro, not the gut microbes, but the cells in the gut, the human cells in the gut, produce 400 times as much melatonin as a pineal gland does, 400 times as much. And that melatonin is shipped to the liver, and the liver metabolizes it. And one of the, with cyp enzyme, cytokrome people 50 enzymes. And one of those enzymes converts melatonin back to the thing that it came from. So in other words, there's a, it comes from serotonin, and serotonin, it goes to anacetyl serotonin and then to melatonin in two steps. And the enzyme that converts anacetyl serotonin to melatonin is in the gut, and that's the one that how they make the melatonin. And that comes from the triptophan,

Starting point is 00:48:37 which is deficient because of the glyphosate. The melatonin gets shipped to the liver. The liver consumes the, it's an extra methyl group that's added to the melatonin through that enzyme, through that reaction. And that methyl group gets taken off by the liver and metabolize completely to carbon dioxide and to four molecules of water. And that water is going to be deuterium depleted because the methyl group is deterrent debris. So in other words, the metals are produced by the microbes from the hydrogen gas. So that makes the metals very low in deuterium. And then the metals are attached to methamethionine. You have this Ascendental, SAME is the universal methyl donor.

Starting point is 00:49:16 But that methyl came, you can trace it back to the microbes. You can trace it back to the hydrogen gas. So it's very low in deterrent. And that's why the methylation pathways are so important. Because the metals are shipped all over the place and attached to all kinds of things, the DNA, the RNA, the proteins. It's a storage mechanism for the metals. But their metals are attached to serotonin to make melatonin.

Starting point is 00:49:39 and then the metals are taken off of the melatonin and turned into four molecules of deterrent diputa water. And that helps the liver to keep its levels low, its levels of deuterium low. And more than that, every, almost most of the cells in the body make their own melatonin. And then they consume it. They make the melatonin, they convert it back to serotonin back and forth,

Starting point is 00:50:03 anacetytel serotonin to melatonin, back to enacetytacetal serotonin, back to melatonin, back and forth, back and forth. And every time they do that, they produce four molecules of Deuterium Defebleted Water in the mitochondria, in pretty much all the cells. And this is something that's only become, researchers have only become aware of this recently. And so far nobody's connected it to Deuterium except me.

Starting point is 00:50:24 But that's what I think is going on. The melatonin is extremely important for distributing Deuterium depleted water to the whole body. This is bad. And melatonin does that. And it's taken back from the gut microbes with that hydrogen gas. and glyphazate disrupts many of the enzymes that are involved in that process, including the cytokrome p450 enzymes, which are the critical ones that actually metabolize the melatonin,

Starting point is 00:50:48 you know, and get and produce the deterrentsipaternity warths. Glyphysate suppresses Cytocon picof 50 enzymes in the liver. So you've killed that right away. So you've killed the melatonin on both sides. You can't make it and you can't metabolize it. And you said it also alters the melatonin itself that it's, you know, so basically all around it is affecting that, the entire process.

Starting point is 00:51:10 And so, and what are the outcomes of that? You said sleep disorder. Yeah, but melatonin, if you look at the literature, there is just a huge number of papers. I keep finding new ones going and going back quite a while,

Starting point is 00:51:21 but especially recently, so many papers trying to figure out melatonin is, is pure God. I mean, it's like so, many cancers are associated with melatonin deficiency, many cancers. And of course,

Starting point is 00:51:34 autism is associated with melatonin deficiency, sleep disorder. melatonin is important also for the GLP1 thing. So the diabetes, obesity. Melatonin protects from obesity. I mean, it's just incredible. It has an antioxidant capability. It can actually soak up the free radicals that are produced by the mitochondria.

Starting point is 00:51:53 So the mitochondria, they like to have melatonin, and they have a lot. They actually accumulate mitochondria. mitochondria accumulate melatonin against a concentration gradient. They have a lot more than the cytoplasm around them. They know how to suck it up. you know so they'll take it in but they'll also make it that the mitochondria have have the capability of making the melatonin and of breaking it down so they go through this cycle back and forth back and forth what they're doing is metabolizing those methyl groups and turning them into determ

Starting point is 00:52:21 depleted water in the mitochondria and that is so crucial for mitochondrial health it's right up there with glutathione you know glutathione actually does a similar thing doesn't that make your point for you about the the water point that if that's what your body's doing naturally then therefore that's obviously something that we should be seeking out in life? Of course, yeah. I mean, people are well aware that melatonin is incredibly beneficial to the mitochondria. And also deleted water, you were referring to it. Oh, the term deplete of water. Yeah, that's what melatonin is making for the mitochondria. So that would make you think that you might be want to give them some deterrent depleted water. Absolutely. Right. It's your body doing it itself. Clearly, that's an indication that's something

Starting point is 00:52:58 that we could probably do to benefit ourselves. You know, if I stand back and look at all of what you're discussing today. You know, as we've already pointed out more than once, that it feels deliberate, but it's like, I can't help but think if somebody was like, okay, I'm going to design this in a way that basically just attacked every biological, functional organic process of our body. It just feels like it's clearly cutting at the base of all these things and then each one of them seem to interconnect with each other. I don't know how you don't look at that as an individual out there and see that there's some

Starting point is 00:53:26 level of conscious thought put into how that works. That's my opinion, right? And I feel like in some way you agree with that, but we should all question that because that's an opinion. But to me, it feels deliberate. And I think all of this, I mean, and I go back to the beginning of why that's happening now. And, you know, I grapple with whether I think the current administration is trying to do what it can within a broken system or whether it's being, you know, I just, I look at the outcome. And what I see is a continual direction going in the wrong way. And, you know, I think that your work and all of this has become more relevant than ever because people are starting to come back around to see how right you've been, the entire.

Starting point is 00:54:01 entire time. And this is just one point, of one point, excuse me, of glyphosate. Now imagine all the other things that Stephanie's discussed or any other group about the health issues that we're hiding from and that RFK and, you know, all the rest are suddenly kind of walking back away from for whatever reason, you know? Yeah, well, they have a tremendous pressure from the industry. The pharmaceutical industry really has controlled the government for so long. And you see still people, you know, criticizing RFK fiercely criticizing him. I mean, it's just amazing to me that that people can't see that he's he's on the right path, you know, trust him, let him go. And Trump has been remarkably willing to let RFK Jr. go wild, is what he had said. And I think he's kind of honored that.

Starting point is 00:54:41 But there's just like so much resistance from the pharmaceutical industry and also, of course, from the farmers, because they can't envision how they could do agriculture without glyphosate. They need to, they need to figure that out. And certainly the government should be investing money in regenerative agriculture because we need to fix the soil. And if we fix it, the soil, we fix the plants. The plants actually would be more resistant to the insects and to the fungus. So we get these other problems because of glyphosate. Glyphsate causes the fungus problem.

Starting point is 00:55:09 That's one part we didn't even get into about the, I mean, you mentioned it, but we didn't get it in depth in regard to how it destroys the soil itself and how that causes these clifery. You did mention it, but there's a whole point we can get into and all that. But, you know, I will say I appreciate your object, your, I'm still the objectivity, obviously, but your optimism, excuse me, in regard to the Trump administration, I mean, I happen to disagree. my personal opinion on where I think they're going.

Starting point is 00:55:33 Well, it is true that Trump and RFK are not on the same page, is pretty clear with respect to agriculture. I'd like to hope, though, that what you're saying is the truth. Like, I'd like to, you know, I have hope that at some point, because look, we can all acknowledge that they're clearly maneuvering through a ridiculously broken system. And so if this ends up in a point, you know, regardless of the current reality, you know,

Starting point is 00:55:53 I'll praise the positive action. I just can't, I have a hard time seeing a, Well, I'll tell you one thing is it's bringing it to light. I mean, so many more people know about glyphsate now than did before, right? It's bringing it to light. So in a way, negative news is actually a way to publicize the problem. And then to get people to listen to people like me who are telling them, look, this is true. This is a problem.

Starting point is 00:56:16 We have to fix it. And if you get enough people interested in, and they can personally change their lifestyle by buying certified organic food. That's what I do. And we shop at the grocery store, we buy only certified organic food. And if you do that too, you'll be healthier. I can guarantee it. I agree. And you're right, that's definitely an obviously positive byproduct of all of this.

Starting point is 00:56:35 But why it got there, that's for everyone that aside for themselves. But regardless, I'm glad people are looking at your work and understanding the problem. But I think it just, it amounts, it ends up, it really depends on where it ends up, you know. And I like, I'm going to, as always, be objective and wait for the outcome, you know, but there's been a lot of, a lot of moves that have kind of went back to the direction. And, you know, whether it's industry or not, all I care about is, as you've been fighting for, is the positive outcome, the health, the reality of our system, you know, what our health could be like if we weren't being doused with all this stuff. And we could talk about dioxins and

Starting point is 00:57:06 P-FAS and just, you know, all the different things. I know, yes. It seems pretty hopeless. Sometimes you just wonder how you can possibly stay alive in this toxic world. It's really frustrating. And you have no control over it, you know, it's really, I feel sorry for people who live next door to a farm where they're using glyphazate, you know, and they just can't get away from it. Seriously. I mean, on that note, I'll hope people will look into your work because not only do you talk about the obvious problems and the research and science behind it, but what path people can take to solve that. And so maybe we can end on that. Is there, you know, with all we're discussing, is there, you know, a direction or a site or an item or something you could direct people to that might give them, you know, something to fight back? Well, I have a web page, StephanieSeneff.net.

Starting point is 00:57:54 They can check that out. I have links to various interviews and whatnot there, papers that I've written. Yeah, I'm really excited with what I'm figuring out lately. I'm very excited about it. And it's frustrating that I have to fight so hard against everybody else to convince them that I'm right about this toxicity of glyphosate because I think it's the most dangerous chemical in our environment today. And we have a lot of dangerous chemicals. But I think glad you say it's number one, partly because we think it's safe and partly because it's pervasive in our food supply, in our water, in the in the rain, you know, in the air, it's everywhere.

Starting point is 00:58:30 We can't avoid it. And because we think it's safe, we don't, the government doesn't try to stop it. So, and people have been so convinced that it's safe that they don't think it's a problem eating the food. Yeah. So we need to change all of that. You're here. And of course, I'll include plenty of different studies in here from, from Stephanie. and the different work around what we've been discussing and the reality of power.

Starting point is 00:58:52 Thank you. That's nice. Yeah. I've got several papers and they're growing list. I've got several of the review right now. So I'm quite excited about that. But we'll see if I can push them through. They're very hard to get pushed through review, as you might imagine, because it's a lot of resistance.

Starting point is 00:59:06 Yes. Well, hopefully we can touch base again as this continues forward. And, you know, thanks for joining again. And for anybody out there, as always, thank you, you know, thank you for being here. And really, I want to say, again, I stress that people make sure. you check out her work and understand the actual, you know, because we can sit and talk for an hour, but it's very difficult to get into the nitty gritty of this stuff, and it's worth reading those books for yourself. So I'll leave it there. And thank you for joining. And as always,

Starting point is 00:59:29 question everything. Come to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant. Thank you.

The Last American Vagabond - Stephanie Seneff PhD Interview - Glyphosate & The Engineered Sick Care System

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