The Last American Vagabond - The Last American Vagabond/Conscious Resistance Fundraiser 1/16/26

Starting point is 00:00:11 have no idea. Welcome to the Last American Bagabon Conscious Resistance Fundraiser, guys. We have a lot planned for today. I want to go over a few opening points before I already note that it looks like we have some censorship we're dealing with or some kind of a glitch with Brumble, but I'll have to break off and try to fix while we're doing this. But I'd like to open with a few things to get started. Derek, how are you this morning?

Starting point is 00:00:41 Let's say hi before we started. I'm doing great, brother. I feel good about this. Excited to do this with you. Happy to collaborate further with you. and excited that we have some guests and friends that are going to be showing up. So thanks to everybody who's here. We're live on my Twitter and my YouTube and all across Ryan's platforms,

Starting point is 00:00:57 minus Rumble. And we just got $100 donation. So things are going good. All right. Well, I already got somebody who's going to have a prize coming their way. So I want to get started with a couple of opening things. Just to kind of outline some of the things for today. Very excited about all this.

Starting point is 00:01:10 But I want to start with simply saying thank you to everybody. You know, however today goes, it already seems like it's going to have a, you know, It's already, we already have a bunch of donations coming in from yesterday today before you get started. Just, just, you know, honored and you guys already see that in what we're doing, you know. But I want to say thank you to everybody out there for all the support you've given us for over all the different years, both for a conscious resistance as a platform. The last American bag on the platform are overlapping work together and just how much, you know, as we've said off, oh, so many times of the year, we can't do this without you. And as much as, you know, I'm sure we could do work and we could post things. But without your guys support, this would not be the way it is.

Starting point is 00:01:45 So just thank you. It means a lot to both of us. Yeah, can I just add to that real quick, brother? I just, from my side, just want to also extend gratitude. Ryan and I have been collaborating together going on six years. It'll be six years of this May. We started working together May 2020, sort of had been aware of each other's work from a distance over the years, but decided to start working closer together. Really, Ryan, you, you know, offered me a writing gig, which is always, you know, valuable for

Starting point is 00:02:10 me as a writer and as a journalist. And over the last five and a half, almost six years, we've been. done all kinds of great work. So today throughout the stream, in addition to having guests and friends pop in, we will be reviewing some of the different investigations that I've written and things that we've collaborated, interviews we've done, including exclusive stories that we've broke specifically at T-Lab, that nobody else has touched on, that people like yourselves, sources reached out to us and said, hey, I have a story, I trust you guys with it. Will you write about this? Will you report on this? And I just feel grateful and humble that people trust me and trust our work

Starting point is 00:02:44 and feel that they can trust us and that we'll give it a respectful look, all the things they share with us and that we'll report on it honestly. So just really grateful to be here today. Yeah, absolutely. I echo that entirely. So I want to start with a couple of things in regard to the guide and where to go if you guys want to support the platform. So first I'll bring this up just to show where the kind of outline is and where to go. So we've set this up on Gibbs and go. Here's the actual location of this. It's posted on, I think Derek's website, my website, on the social media out there. So this is the T-Lab and Concertistence Fundraiser page where we're asking everybody to

Starting point is 00:03:24 funnel the, you know, to send their donations for today's event. Because what we're going to do is split this between our platforms. If you want to go donate to the Conscious Assistance directly, please do so. If you want to go to T-Lav directly and donate, please do so. But this will be the only way we split this from today's event. On top of that, what we're going to be doing, sort of like last time, two things. we've invited tons of people. We already have two ready to join us to start,

Starting point is 00:03:48 and really the plan was no set times other than a couple of specifics for people who have schedules. It's kind of a free-for-all. People come in when they can, say hi for a couple minutes, stay the whole time. It's going to be a fun event where people are coming and going, and we're going to just kind of engage as we go forward, talk about their work, our work, stories about what they've done with us,

Starting point is 00:04:04 and it'll be a good time. And what we're going to be doing with the prizes is essentially, I'll show them right here. I put an update on the page. Oops, on the button here. There we go. So here's how this outlines. Basically, like we did last time, we'll be keeping track of the first people to donate a certain amount since we've started. And so the first five people to donate $25 will get a T-Lap sticker. And these aren't necessarily representative of what they're worth. It's sort of like just donate this much and you get this as a benefit giveaway, you know, donate and a free thing we're giving away kind of idea. And so the first five people to donate 25 will get a T-Lap sticker. And what we will do is keep track of who donated it. We'll reach out to you the email if you were one of the first one. and we'll send those out afterward like we did last time. Derek is going to give away a book of your choice of his and the first five people to donate $50.

Starting point is 00:04:51 And you don't get the ones over the top is just pretty much to make this work. It's $50. If you donate that amount, you get the book. Zoe is going to donate a signed book. She'll be joining us today with a digital version as well. And first, I donate over $75. I have some seed packs that I'm going to be giving away.

Starting point is 00:05:06 First, 10 people are in over $100. And I've got most of the stuff sitting right here that I'll be showing you as we go. And we'll be saying that out as well. I have a survival kit that's sort of just like a put in your car, kind of all boxes check survival kit. And I just love those things. And I have one of those that give away for the first person to donate over $150. I've got two Logitech webcams that I have that I don't use anymore. And there are two of them that are about mid-rung. They're very good ones, in my opinion. But we've gotten some better ones over the years. So we'll be giving away these two for the first person and doing over $200, first two people,

Starting point is 00:05:37 signed microphone that we have signed from and we're going to give away last time but the person graciously ended up saying that they would just rather us keep using it it's actually one that we don't use so if somebody would like to take that the first person to donate over $500 will give that microphone signed and then I have listed a one-on-one meeting with me you know well we can define that amongst ourselves it's kind of a meeting we can get to touch base on news and everything else for the first person to donate over $1,000 and one is Derek one is me and so the first two people, essentially. And really, it's just all about donating and support the platform. You know, and so at the end of the day, we might add some more things at the bottom and

Starting point is 00:06:14 it'll be listed there for you guys. Last thing I want to say before we get started, for those who already donated over the last couple of days, just I can't even express how grateful we are that you guys are, you know, support our work that much. Unfortunately, for the way this works, it'll be people posting going forward. So thank you for your support thus far. And then on that note, I want to say one thing in regard to somebody who can't join today who decided to write something, Eva Bartlett. She wanted to make sure. her to join today and ultimately had something happened. And so she asked me to read this. She said, I appreciate the work that Ryan has done over the years at T-Lab and is supported

Starting point is 00:06:44 to two independent journalists, including myself. He has given me many opportunities to speak of my journalism in Syria, Gaza, Don Bass and Moore. And then she lists off a bunch of our different work, which I'll include the link to for you guys to see is just a link to all the different times. We've interviewed her over the years. And just, you know, her work is absolutely stellar. And on that note, guys, we'll go ahead and get into some of the guests we have. We have plans like Derek said to get into past work that he's done. Let me add it to that real quick before we bring on our guests just to reiterate that. I just wanted to just emphasize what Ryan was saying there as far as like donating and supporting

Starting point is 00:07:17 here. I went ahead before we started this stream and I added up all of the numbers that Ryan and I have, you know, we're both on Twitter. We're both on telegram. Ryan's on Rumble. We have Odyssey. We've got BitChute. And then I'm on Facebook, YouTube. Ryan's doing pirate streams on Facebook on on YouTube. We've got email lists, Instagram even. And when you add, add all that up between Ryan and I, we have a combined followers subscriber count of 482,000. So we're easily reaching 500,000 people plus half a million people through our combined work. And what we're doing today is really just asking those of you out there in our audience who support the work that we do, whether it's my written articles and investigations, Ryan's daily breakdowns of all the propaganda and helping you see through the lies and the interviews we do together and the documentary work that I've done and some of the things that we have planned for

Starting point is 00:08:07 this coming year. If any, if you're one of those 582,000 people who are 500,000 people who are following and supporting, if just 5% of you guys donated 25 US dollars, we would hit our goal because today our goal is, and it seems maybe big to some of you, but it's $50,000. That would be split right down the middle between Ryan and I, which is really $25,000 each, not a lot of money, but that'll at least get us so we can go through the rest of the year that I can be paid for my writing. Ryan can have some cash in his pocket to continue doing what he's doing. And then we'll see where the rest of the year takes us. But that's what we're asking for is if you support what we've done and what we have planned for the future, please just support how you can.

Starting point is 00:08:46 25 bucks from all of you would really, we'd hit the goal within an hour or two if everybody does that. So I just wanted to make that note. Thank you again, everybody who has already donated. Yeah. And I'll say, like I said, my discussion from the show is that my goal, and I believe our goal is to, is to, you know, not just make this a roundabout reusual thing. If it has to be, so be it. But the idea would be try to build something to where we don't have to keep doing this, right? To build some kind of a base where we're not reliant on, you know, everything we have so far. And because of all the censorship and attacks, which I'm sure we'll touch on the many different things. And I'll even note that, by the way, right now, I was just speaking with my lawyer.

Starting point is 00:09:22 Our LLC is under attack as well. Just, you know, every day there's something new. Right now they're trying to stop it from being renewed, which then makes me more vulnerable to lawsuits. And, you know, personally, it's just the way this goes. And we're going to keep doing this because we believe in it. But let's go ahead and bring in some of the. guests are already here. Looks like we have seven Cs and Charlie Robinson and Taylor Hudak already here to join. And while I'm doing that, guys, I'll say hi, but I'll have to break away for a

Starting point is 00:09:44 second and find out why Rumble is not letting us stream right now. So hey guys. Thank you for joining today already. And it's honored to have you here. So I will just, we can start with Taylor since she's a TLAV member, part of the TLAB community, a family, rather. And just, you know, throw it to you guys and talk about whatever you'd like, you know, your work, you have about working with us, just upcoming current events, whatever's going on. So, well, Taylor just pulled back. So, oh, there she is. Okay. So Taylor, I'll throw it to you first. Thanks for being here, Taylor. Yeah. Hi, guys. Thank you for the invite. Thanks for hosting this. And nice to meet you. Charlie, I don't think we have met before. I'm Taylor. Nice to meet you.

Starting point is 00:10:24 I love doing these streams because we can all connect. Also, you two, seven Cs. Good to see you. I just want to, I don't have too much time. If I could be here longer, I absolutely will. but I just want to extend, of course. Thank you to TLAB, to you, Ryan in particular. It's been a little while since I last posted or did some work for you. But my last piece, and we'll have some coming up in 2026, but my last piece, of course, the Arna Burkhardt interview, I can't thank you enough for sponsoring that,

Starting point is 00:10:57 for encouraging me with that report. It took a very long time to get that work done. And it is, honestly, to this day, probably the piece that I am most proud of, really. For those who aren't familiar with it, I had an interview with pathologist, professor, Dr. Arnold Burkhardt in Germany. And unfortunately, after we've recorded this interview back in April of 2023, I can't believe it's going on three years now. But we recorded it April of 2023. And then unfortunately, he passed away just a few weeks later under very mysterious circumstances. honestly, it refers to how he passed away because I feel like the answers.

Starting point is 00:11:39 We still don't have answers with that. But his work was extraordinary. He was able to show that many people were dying of the COVID vaccine. And then it wasn't caused by the virus, but the vaccine. And he was one of the first people in the world to do this work, which has since been replicated in various countries. So that was published through the Latin American Bag of, and I'm very, very proud of that work and for your guidance, your leadership, and

Starting point is 00:12:08 encouragement as well. And to work also alongside others here, including you, Derek, who has published really great work. And to kind of switch to a different note here, I saw something that you posted Derek yesterday that I agree with completely. And this also just reiterates why we need so much support from the broader community, the viewers, the readers, is that, you know, we are in. able to publish and put out work that is original content. It's not just reacting to the headlines

Starting point is 00:12:38 to the news. I mean, that is just so important because we know, and I know it's easy to say that so much of the information that's being put forth is largely a distraction. It's easy to say that, but truly that's what we're dealing with and can look towards potentially in 2026. So it is really good to have original content and I'm honored to be a part of it. So thank you. Awesome. Taylor, thank you for all the work you've done, just independently, but also with TLAV, obviously as part of the team, I'm always keeping an eye on what you're up to. And I appreciate that you are really trying to, you know, keep strong to the actual journalism side of independent media. I know we're going to talk to all kinds of people today. And amongst

Starting point is 00:13:16 our friends, not everybody does consider themselves a journalist. Some, you know, consider themselves commentators or podcasters. But I definitely feel very strongly myself about wearing that label of journalist and using it in the sense of actually breaking stories, like you said, not just commenting on the mainstream news from a different perspective or commenting on who's having a feud within who else in the independent media, but actually breaking, you know, real stories and getting sources and developing it. And that's something I take very seriously, and I know you do too. So thank you for being a part of the T-Lab team. And thank you for your kind of words, Taylor. It means a lot to me. And before we introduce the people

Starting point is 00:13:52 who just jumped on, I just will say on that note of your work, I agree. And I think this is easily one of the pieces of work on T-Lap that I'm most proud of and that you put all the work into. absolutely amazing work on this. And I'll just note from what Derek was saying, you know, this is one that was something, you know, it's what Derek is talking about. You know, we spent a lot of money to put this together in regard to the cameras and the filming and the whole thing. And it was a hundred times over worth it because this is probably one of the most important pieces within the COVID conversation. He was somebody who came back out of retirement to make this case, very respected. And yeah, he died very mysteriously.

Starting point is 00:14:25 The story is very much worth your time and it will blow your mind if you haven't seen it. She goes through piece by piece with scientific evidence. It's mind-blowing. So thank you again for that, Taylor. We have Ricky who's joining us as well as Tim Hinkliff, and you guys can jump in and say hi if you want. Anybody, it's going to be kind of a free-for-all today, guys. So feel free to make a note real quick, Ryan,

Starting point is 00:14:45 just to, you know, on terms of the fundraiser, I will say that Ryan Yeomens, he donated $100 a few minutes ago. So he would be the first person to claim the seed pack from your garden. and so congratulations to him. And then somebody else who just put anonymous, who I'm sure will get their information, they donated $50.

Starting point is 00:15:04 So they would be the first to collect a copy of any of my books if you're interested. And then another anonymous person, $25 to collect a T-Lav sticker. Well, if they're anonymous, I don't believe that we don't have in the background or we might. Oh, maybe I think we do. I think it gives you the info in the back in, but they just don't want their name public. Right, right. So we'll check with them afterward to see if they'd like it first,

Starting point is 00:15:24 make, you know, keep that running list. So Charlie, since you're here first, or seven Cs, you guys want to jump in and say something. Well, I'd like to contribute a book. I'll sign a book. If you want to sell an octopus of global control book, just message me their address when this is all wrapped up. And I'm happy to do that.

Starting point is 00:15:42 So Derek, we'll add that to the same listing of the other two. And so just make it a third one. And I'll include that. So if you guys listening, one more added to the book list, I'll add that to the list after we're done for Charlie's book. So thank you, Charlie. Appreciate that, man. Welcome. We'll go to Seven Seas. Why don't you jump in and say hi, brother, and then we'll go to the other two.

Starting point is 00:16:01 Hey, thank you guys so much for having me. Really an honor to get an invite here. I've been actually fans of your guys long before I actually started doing anything myself or, you know, providing any sort of content. And really kind of helped put a lot of things into perspective as I was sort of going into this and asking myself like the difficult questions of, you know, the different. obstacles that I would face just based on like the censorship and pushback that you guys have sort of experienced and shared your experiences with and Really just kind of feel honored to Call you guys like my peers and and associates in this space and The work that you guys have done and I've done my best to like sort of build on top of that and take it in different directions and stuff that I think you know is is necessary for all of us to kind of have these different areas of overlap and and separate coverage of things because there is so much

Starting point is 00:16:55 much truth out there that is kind of hidden, that it's important to make sure that we're hidden all of those avenues. And so I really appreciate the diversity of like the content that gets shared amongst my peers here and everyone's penchant just for truth telling above everything else. And you do some great, great mapping of the connections. Be sure to shout out where people can find your work to for those who haven't come across you. If you haven't, I highly recommend checking out his work. Because as I said, you do a great job of really just detailing relationships and connections that people might not necessarily always see from the surface level. I appreciate that. Yeah, I post mostly on X Twitter,

Starting point is 00:17:34 but I also do live streams as well on YouTube, Rumble, and Twitter, and it's essentially like opening up research and kind of doing it all like live and in front of a camera where we like vet and verify sources and that the audience can participate as well and provide different sources and different avenues to go down. So it's really, really a nice way to involve people that maybe have information that I'm not privy to and things like that. And then providing that visualization, I think is really, really impactful.

Starting point is 00:18:06 Just personally, like, going from article to articles, sometimes it can be hard to, like, keep everything into perspective. So being able to, like, have that and zoom out and reference different things and just always have those in my back pocket and sharing those out for other people as well. it's kind of become like a passion project of mine. Thanks, Derek. Yeah, awesome. Ricky, how are you doing, brother?

Starting point is 00:18:30 Thanks for being here, man. It's been a while since we've caught up, but thanks for joining the TLAV TCR stream. How are you doing, man? What you're working on? Good, good. Thanks for having me. I always appreciate, you know, helping out any way I can and trying to get people to support independent content.

Starting point is 00:18:45 So, you know, I'm glad to jump on and remind people that the only way we could continue is with their support. And it doesn't have to be financially. I tell my listeners all the time, obviously the algorithms are typically suppressing much of our work. So, you know, tweeting, comments, anything you can do to kind of just help the algorithms favor, hopefully some of our stuff that goes a long way. I know a lot of people are struggling or whatnot. So I know going into the piggy bank is difficult, but there are plenty of ways you can, you know, you can support creating clips, any of that type of stuff, you know, goes a long way. So yeah, keep supporting content creators like us.

Starting point is 00:19:22 I think during COVID, much of our work, I think people saw how important it was to, you know, just have people like us that are willing to go against the grain, willing to do what's, you know, not popular and say things that are truthful, even if it creates a little bit of friction in our own personal lives and online and whatnot. So hopefully people don't forget that when, you know, I know I can swear on here. When she hits the fan, you know, we're going to be there. And we're going to try to do our best to give you truth and honest, you know, information. And if we're wrong, it's not because we're trying to mislead you like many other people

Starting point is 00:20:01 we're wrong. It's because we're trying to find the truth. And in that fog of war, you know, usually truth is the first casualty. So sometimes it takes a while to kind of go through that. So, yeah, just, you know, I guess I just want to remind the listeners and the people out there who do enjoy much of our people. our work that, you know, the support does go a long way. And, you know, when you find people that are honest and really care and are sincere, support them. Because like I said, when she hits a fan,

Starting point is 00:20:29 we're the ones you're going to be out there, putting everything on the line, getting kicked off Patreon and PayPal and everywhere, just to, you know, do what we think morally is right. So, yeah, support if you can. That's a, I love that sentiment. And I'll add to that, too, that, you know, there are people out there that are acting with what they, you know, with good, intention, who believe what they're doing is right, who may be doing the wrong thing. And maybe we think that we think that we're wrong. But the point would be that I think it's an important thing to recognize with all the chaos today is that not everybody is inherently deceptive, or like maliciously is misguiding. And there's a lot of people out there that benefit,

Starting point is 00:21:04 would benefit from information that we might have if we can bring it in a way that might open their mind to it as opposed to, you know, right now it's just devolting it is so much hatred against each other. And I think it's important to note that. And so I think you're saying, genuine people is where it really matters and, you know, trying to, to, tap into that. I will say before we go to the next people, it looks like something at Rumble, they're claiming our API is no longer valid. I just try to start a new one, the same thing. So I don't know what's going on there. Rumble, so we're not going to have this streaming on Rumble today, no less than expected, I guess, right? Some things like this, as well as the YouTube

Starting point is 00:21:34 side seems to be having some problems, but, you know, so be it. So let's continue to go around to who we haven't talked to. I think Tim was next who jumped in. Tim, how are you today, brother. Hey, I'm doing great. Nice to see you all. Such a great cause, everything going on. You know, I was just thinking back of how I first come to know T-Lav, and it was through Derek Bros. There, because he was doing something. And I remember the first time I heard about it was in April 2021. It's the first time everyone came on my radar. And you're doing the, Derek was doing the greater reset. And I remember taking notes and I've got some, I put stuff in the WordPress of the sociable. I was about to do an article. I was like, actually, I don't understand everything that's

Starting point is 00:22:16 going on. I need to dig a little bit deeper. I remember in my notes, I put Derek's name as Derek Bozeman. So, yeah, I didn't know who he was. But then that brought me back to everything with TLAV, like when I started writing about stuff, you know, COVID-1984, the Great Reset, was just, I was a little late to it. So it was like around October, November of 2020. So then every time that I thought I had an original idea, or something, a scoop that I was going to go report on. I hated looking at TLAF because then I go see about five months back, you already wrote something about it.

Starting point is 00:22:51 Like, it could have been Whitney or it could have been anyone, cyber polygon, other stuff. So like, everything, I was like, oh, my goodness, who else is writing about this? Who else knows about this? And I'd start writing, and look, I see one of their headlines. I go, shh, dang it, they got there first. And ever since then, you guys have just been a beacon.

Starting point is 00:23:06 And also, Brian, with you on TLAF Tuesdays, you know, with A.M. Wake up. And so for the past five years or more, seeing all of you, it's just broad my horizons. It's always great information. And yeah, it's great to see other seven Cs come along. You know, and the rest of you, gosh, what a great group. And yeah, this is, you got a great thing going on. Thank you. Thanks for that shout out, Tim.

Starting point is 00:23:34 And yeah, for those who don't know, Tim, at Social, we'll check out his work. Because I count you kind of in the same way, brother. like whenever I'm if I'm busy working on something else, I can pretty much count that I'm going to go to your website and you're going to have picked up the latest news about digital ID or, you know, this sort of biometrics. Like that is one of the areas that I know that you focus on highly. And also I think being out of the U.S., you know, spending time in South America like you have, that that gives you another perspective as well that a lot of folks based in the U.S. don't have. So I just want to, you know, give you your props too, man. And thanks for being here to support us. And I think the group is a, you know, this is pretty much everyone that's going to be coming through here today.

Starting point is 00:24:13 You know, I guarantee there will be different opinions, things that we might even disagree on strongly. But it's the point made about genuine, you know, people that you're going to see coming through here are people that we see that way, you know, that are fighting for what they believe in with good intention. And I mean, that means everything to me, you know. So I agree with you, Tim. And thank you for noting on that. Destiny, how are you? It's great to see you here. You're muted.

Starting point is 00:24:35 I know, I know. I got excited ahead of myself. It's good to be here. Hi, everybody. It's really an honor to be on the stage with so many greats. I recognize many faces and many names. I am, I started like, I guess my journey was with Ryan, as who I first met out of this entire group.

Starting point is 00:24:54 And he was actually the first person to interview me, I think, like a serious interview ever. I think that was my very first one was in like 2022, I think, or 23. and with COVID research. And I was so elated to find somebody else that finally cared about the kind of complex situation that I cared about and diving deep into CIA and NQTEL and, you know, the whole manufacturing of the entire pandemic. And it was just, it was a relief because for a long time until you meet other pundits and you meet other people who enjoy research, you feel completely nuts. You feel like a psychopath? I did at least. And it was nice to know that at least if I'm crazy, I'm not alone. And so that made me feel good. But it's been a really great ride. And meeting Derek online has been a, it's been a while now too. I love Derek's work. I think I stumbled on to him with the finders, which is one of my passions. That story is an incredible one. And his work on it is incredible. And the documentary. And I was like, I got to find this person. I can talk them online and see if I can get. some questions out of them about it. And just one of the things that I've admired the most,

Starting point is 00:26:08 especially Ryan, Derek, just like what you said, the purpose was for the panel here today, there is very few voices I trust out there. I think I'm a full-blown conspiracy theorist in the eyes of the establishment. And so for me, I want the people who are going to, who don't mind getting that title if it means putting out what's real and what's true and trusting, you know, everyone's wrong. I'm wrong all the time. But when you really have that passion and you really have that need to break the barrier and to not be held down by the labels, it's really refreshing. And I really see this as the movement forward for media. This is the only path forward I see really is groups like this and people like you guys. Well, thank you, Dustin. It means a lot.

Starting point is 00:26:59 Thank you, Desing. Yeah. It's just, it's such an honor to be here with all of you right now. So thank you for all of your kind words. Brad, you were next in. Aetian, good to see you, brother. We'll go to you next. And I'll just say before you start in general that, you know, this is, like I said, sort of free for all. So we'll go through just kind of saying hi and everything.

Starting point is 00:27:14 But you guys feel free to stay as long as you want. Jump in, have conversations, you know, let's just see where it goes. Brian, real quick, are you live on D-Live? Is that still a thing? Very well might be somehow. But I know, oh, you know what? I am, actually. Somebody just donated from D-Live, 100 bucks.

Starting point is 00:27:30 Tom Luke, you just won one of the seat packs from Ryan. I just wanted to mention that because I hadn't heard a D-live in a while. I didn't even know it was still around. Yeah, you know, I noticed that it was still active because I had stopped using it because for some weird reason, they wouldn't list me under the news category. It's like even this platform. And then ultimately, I think it changed over a few times. And I noticed it was working and it was back.

Starting point is 00:27:50 It was, you know, the right way. And so I just put the tab back on. It's funny. It's, you know, anywhere it can go. See, one person sees it, then it's worth it, you know? Go ahead, Brad. Hey, what's up, everybody? Good to see, everybody.

Starting point is 00:28:03 Ryan, Derek, good to see you guys. Derek, I followed your work for a while, you know, a couple of years, though I don't know that you and I have ever corresponded directly, but glad to see you. I am familiar with your work and familiar with some of the latest work that you've done that I think is top notch. Ryan, obviously you and I have worked together a bit. You know, you've had me on your show a couple of times. And I first became familiar with both of you a couple of years ago. And it was as we were all trying to navigate, you know, all things COVID a couple of years. ago and most of us were trying to, you know, we all had more questions and answers. We were all

Starting point is 00:28:40 trying to figure out exactly what was happening. And Ryan, I remember tuning into a lot of what you were sharing kind of in that early period as we were all trying to figure out, okay, what are we being told? What of what we're being told is probably not true and why. And so one thing that I respect from you guys is, is one, the courage to go against the grain. And a lot of you, others that are in here as well. That's a trait that you also exhibit. You're not afraid to sometimes be the lone voice out there because often many people who think like us are ostracized by people who have bigger platforms or sometimes even in the real world with our own friends and families. We are sometimes ostracized. So I appreciate your courage. And also I appreciate, you know,

Starting point is 00:29:28 kind of the power of the question, right? Sometimes when we try to navigate these spaces, The answers are few and the questions are many, but we often can't get to the true answers without asking a lot of questions. And sometimes the questions don't necessarily yield what we want to yield. And again, it just goes back to the courage of saying, hey, I'm asking some uncomfortable questions and I'm getting some uncomfortable answers, maybe even answers that I wish were not so, but instead of turning away from those, I'm going to turn into it and embrace it out of a desire for the truth, even when that truth is uncomfortable.

Starting point is 00:30:04 So appreciate what you guys are doing and just urge you to keep doing what you're doing. And I'm here to applaud you along the way, both of you. Hey, Brad, shout out to you as well. I do see your work out there. And yeah, we haven't connected yet, but let's change that this year. I'd love to talk with you and do an interview. I always see you out there busting out there and doing your best out there. It's funny because I see everybody here on the various platforms.

Starting point is 00:30:27 And every now and then I might see one of you amidst the sea of craziness, whatever. the latest craziness is and it's like okay i see you over there we're there's still some sanity amidst all this this nonsense so thanks for doing what you do man yeah yeah yeah likewise awesome thanks brad and i really do enjoy our interviews i recommend you guys check that we've got three now i think and i think they're all very much worth your time and every time we talk we bring it to a new level so i'll have to do that again soon uh a tian how are you brother it's good to see you man thanks for taking the time oh absolutely absolutely for those that aren't familiar with my work i'm etienne De La Bouise squared. I'm the founder of the Art of Liberty Foundation. We're a startup voluntarious

Starting point is 00:31:06 public policy organization. And we expose the illegitimacy and the criminality of government from a principled voluntarious standpoint. I'm the author of a book called government, The Biggest Scam in History. And my brand new book is to see the cage is to leave it, 25 techniques, the few use to control the many. And, you know, what I'm doing is I'm really exposing the government is a technique used to robin control populations. It's always illegitimate. You can't have a legitimate government. And that is a, you know, that is a worldview that is very much against the grain because what I'm exposing in the books and through our foundation is that government is being indoctrinated into the population as a kind of a pseudo-religion. And so one of the things that I'm glad to be here

Starting point is 00:31:55 supporting is both, you know, Derek and the Last American Vagabond, because, these are a few of the platforms that are not afraid to say that government is illegitimate on its face, even though that is an unpopular opinion, and that goes against the indoctrination of the mandatory government school. It goes against the indoctrination of Hollywood, making government the hero in every movie and television show. It goes against the doctrine, the indoctrination of the monopoly media system where you've got a small handful of cartel companies running hundreds and hundreds of subsidiaries where government is legitimate on every single channel, even though it's not, and even though government is the system being used to rob and control the population.

Starting point is 00:32:46 It's the system that allows fractional reserve banking to steal the value out of everybody's money. And so I wanted to just, you know, pop in and support, you know, both of you guys for having the courage to say that, you know, that government is illegitimate in a world where that goes against this, you know, this, this monopoly, indoctrination and control of perception system, where a lot of people have invested themselves in the government. A lot of people work for the government. It's a, it can be a very unpopular position, but it has to be said, and I wanted to salute you guys for having the courage to say it. Thanks for being here, brother. Thanks for The work you do.

Starting point is 00:33:29 And I'll say, you, Derek, Larkin-Rose, were some of the earlier people that I saw that opened my mind to, you know, beyond just the critical of the government circumstance. But like maybe we can think beyond them existing. You know, that's an interesting thought. And my mind jumped right at that. Like, oh, I like something beyond the normal. And so really appreciate all of your work on that. It's very much worth your time to check out the work they've done. I will say really quickly, Zoe's in the background.

Starting point is 00:33:53 I didn't know we could only have 10 people. That might be something new. So just hang out Zoe until somebody comes and goes and we'll let you in. Ryan, if we could while we wait to bring on Zoe, I want it. Maybe we can get, I'd like to get some thoughts from everybody who's here now. And even I'm happy to pop off for a moment if you want to bring on Zoe. But maybe one of the things we could show just to highlight, again, for everybody who's just tuning in, we're doing a fundraiser between myself, my website, The Conscious Resistance, and Ryan

Starting point is 00:34:18 and the Last American Vagabond. And we've got friends and guests here who we've worked with and collaborated with over the years. I want to show just an example of the type of content that, that we, Ryan and I do and the team at TLAB does, that I believe sets us apart from a lot of the mainstream alternative media. Ryan, if you don't mind pulling up my latest article that we just released on Wednesday, and I just released an interview on Thursday, I'd love to get everybody's thoughts here because I know it's something you guys will be curious about.

Starting point is 00:34:43 So a couple months back, I had a source reach out to me, a United Nations employee. He's now gone public. His name's Alexander Ray. But he reached out to me a few months ago and said, hey, I'm currently working in the UN, and I have a story to tell. The UN, for those who don't know, they started rolling out their own internal digital ID program back in 2020, and it's been kind of getting more and more progressive. It went fully live in 2025. And so Alex, as an employee, they're starting to be notified that they need to sign up for this digital ID program.

Starting point is 00:35:12 And he starts to ask questions. And as we show there, there's copies of the emails that he sent me. And he basically starts to say, well, what about data security? What about privacy? What about consent and all these kinds of things? he's essentially ignored. He tries to file a complaint to the proper department, basically gets told it's not anything they're going to investigate.

Starting point is 00:35:29 He decides to do his own informal survey of his colleagues, and he sends it out to about 20 people. And, Brian, go to that survey real quick. If you can show that one screenshot, there's, just as a sample. He only was able to send this out to 20 people before he got an email from his superior and said, hey, you're not allowed to circulate surveys. Stop doing that. But as you can see here, the question he asked is,

Starting point is 00:35:50 what was it do you do you feel the UN needs and staff digital ID and of all the people were surveyed 84% said no and he asked them four other questions one of them was like are you aware of the terms of service the vast majority of them said no do you think it's necessary etc etc and overwhelmingly all these UN employees were not in favor of the digital ID and ultimately though they didn't investigate they closed the whole matter and he decided he needed to leave and so he quit his his employment after six years officially ended in December of just 2025. So a month ago. So we've been working on this story.

Starting point is 00:36:26 He's providing me with internal emails and communications from the United Nations. And on Wednesday, we finally published this exclusive story. Yesterday, I released a new interview with him on my website on the conscious resistance. And I just want to share that. Not only would I like to get everybody's opinions and thoughts on this, I mean, I know it's no big surprise to most of us here. But for me, the reason I think stories like this are important. two reasons. For one, as a journalist, especially an independent journalist, that doesn't have

Starting point is 00:36:52 the backing of the New York Times or something, it feels good when somebody says, hey, I trust you, I trust your work, and I want to, you know, give you my story. I want you to help me shepherd this out into the public, and I'm willing to give you data that I won't share with anybody else. That feels good because we don't have the big corporate backing and that, you know, most people expect from what they know is news. So that, I think also it kind of gives us more credibility to say, look, we're getting United Nations employees who want to share their stories. And that's just one example. We'll go through more throughout the live stream today. But also, I think it's important because even though the digital ID thing, everybody here

Starting point is 00:37:26 in most of our audiences is very aware of the concerns around it, I feel like stories like are good to take to your normie friend, mom, brother and sister who thinks, okay, you're just some crazy conspiracy theories. Well, look, here, mom, here's a United Nations employee saying, like, they're not putting proper protections in place for their own employees. So why should we trust them when they're funding, you know, digital ID programs around the world. And that's what we're going to explore in the second part of this series. He's got more information he's going to share with me. But I just wanted to bring that to the table as an example of the kind of work we're doing at TLAF,

Starting point is 00:37:55 the kind of journalism I'm doing at the conscious resistance. And, yeah, I would love to hear any thoughts on that story itself or, you know, what you guys think it might add to the overall conversation. Well, I'm going to go ahead and just pull myself back. I'm not leaving and I'll let Zoe jump in and she can give her thoughts and we can jump to her next. So go ahead, Zoe. Hey, everyone. Can you hear me okay?

Starting point is 00:38:18 Yep. Thanks for being here. I actually read that this morning. I thought it was a great article. And I'm facing a very similar issue with digital ID myself that I just ran into. So to kind of build on that, this is where I think this is going. I think it's kind of going to be a boiling frog situation. I don't think they're going to announce it.

Starting point is 00:38:37 And I think they're basically, they've been building the cage while we've been distracted with war and endless sciops and this like ridiculous news cycle. I think Operation Stargate is definitely very. well in effect. And what I'm experiencing is like just this last week, I decided I'm going to have to go back to work. And so I'm going to try and get certified to be a medical coder again for various reasons. And so I paid for my membership. And then I went to look at the criteria to sit for a test. Before it was just you had to give two forms of ID and then sit for a five-hour test at a testing center. Now they have a form that says biometrics policy. And when you walk in, you're going to now have to give a palm vein print, a hand signature, which they list is biometrics in their biometrics policy, and a face scan.

Starting point is 00:39:29 And I said, I'm not going to do that. So I'm just going to be locked out. So that's going to prevent me from getting a job. And then people, I think, are slowly going to have these kinds of checks and balances built behind them. So like currently, everybody that's in the field now has been grandfathered in because they didn't have to do that. But anyone else walking in is going to have to undergo this whole biometrics collection process. And they're going to make it so hard to live. Like you're not going to be able to rent anywhere.

Starting point is 00:39:59 You're not going to be able to get a home. You're really not going to be able to survive if you can't earn an income. And they're going to make it difficult in various ways, just like with the COVID thing, which was the template, they're going to enact it through different organizations that are the gatekeepers to the things that you need to survive in life. Yeah, I absolutely agree. Thank you for sharing that. I mean, like you said, they're implementing these systems all kinds of places.

Starting point is 00:40:31 I'm here in Mexico and even in Mexico where there's not as much infrastructure as there is in terms of digital infrastructure and much of the country, they're passing laws claiming that by the summer, people who don't get biometric, it's called the curb. It's basically like a social security, but they're making it biometric now. They're saying people who don't do that, that their phone service and internet service will be turned off. I'm highly skeptical. They're going to be able to implement it in Mexico because of just like I said, the lack of infrastructure. Sure, maybe in Mexico City or major cities, but so far, nothing has changed. But even the fact that that is being discussed and that is.

Starting point is 00:41:05 Oh, I already ran into that in Tucson. That happened to me. I was living in Tucson. This was 2023. So this is a couple years ago. And I went to get internet service and they couldn't verify my identity by my phone number or by my email because I have an encrypted email. It's not registered to my name. I have a phone number that's not registered to my name. So they couldn't verify my ID through the phone. And the lady on the phone was like, I've never had this happen before. I can't figure out what's going on. You're going to have to go down to the office, like to Comcast. I think it was a company called Cox, but same difference, your internet provider. So I go down there and I give them my ID and I give them my phone number and I say I'm trying

Starting point is 00:41:47 to start service. I have an account number and they told me I just have to show you my ID so you can verify who I am. And the guy disappears for a long time. And then he comes back and he has this big machine and he's like, okay, and he just puts it in my face, doesn't tell me what it is. And I'm like, is that facial recognition? And he goes, yeah, that's how we're going to verify.

Starting point is 00:42:06 your ID. I'm like, no, I'm not going to consent to that. And so he goes and he disappears again for a long time. And his boss comes back and goes, okay, there is an opt-out. We have a default face. So we're going to put the default face in. And then we can take your ID. And then you can get internet service. Wouldn't it be nice if they told you there's an opt-out before they put the dang thing in your face? It's the same thing with the airport rolling it out. If you don't, like if you step in front of the camera where they're testing it out in US airports, they'll take your picture. Like I always kind of stand off the side. here's my passport, you know, just because otherwise they'll take the picture without even say anything. Yeah. I had that, I had that happen to me. I made it a grand total of five hours into 2026 before I had my first argument with TSA. Same thing. I said, he said, you put your, you put your ID in the slot before, before you told us that you didn't want to take the picture. So who cares? And he said, I went through Miami two weeks ago. Same thing. So first, you know, coming from Columbia to Miami, a couple weeks ago.

Starting point is 00:43:07 First thing you do, going through immigration, they have five screens up there, cameras, you know, tablets. They said, step in front of here, five people. I'm like, nope, stepped aside. So then I went into the agent. There's only one agent stamping passports, or not stamping, just looking at that. The first thing he does is puts up a camera.

Starting point is 00:43:27 After I already opted out of the facial recognition, so that's two times in about five minutes. So I opted out of that. Then you have to go through security again and going through the metal detectors and whatever, it's once again, facial recognition opt out of that. And then before getting on the plane, facial recognition, I had to opt out of four facial recognitions in one go through,

Starting point is 00:43:48 just one connection. Yeah, actually, I've traveled several times between the U.S. and the EU, because I'm based in Hungary, and I was stunned at how advanced in such a short amount of time they have been with these new digital controls because I don't remember having to, or at least you could opt out of it. Not many people do, but I never remember in the past the face scan prior to boarding your plane, at least to get back into the EU.

Starting point is 00:44:14 But they're doing that now. And unfortunately, as I mentioned earlier, I mean, everybody is distracted about this argument with this person, this other distraction. And so, again, why it's so important to focus on stories like these. I know Derek isn't here anymore, but I did want to congratulate him on that report. so important because so many of us here have experienced these issues related to this very real threat, which is a digitization of our society. But I do need to jump off. So I will leave it there. I wish I had more time with you guys. It's good to see you all. Good to meet some of you as well.

Starting point is 00:44:48 And yes, please support the Last American Vagabond, everybody who is here, Derek, as well. And I look forward to collaboration in the near future. So take care, guys. I'm going to I'm head off. Bye, Taylor. Bye, bye. I'll bring, I'll bring Derek back in when he comes back, but I'll make a note on,

Starting point is 00:45:07 you know, kind of everything everyone was discussing. One of the main parts stood out to me from what Derek was, you know, what he, well, rather what the whistleblower was discussing

Starting point is 00:45:14 that Derek was highlighting. And again, a shout out to Derek for, for making these things happen, you know, like that's what he's so great at in this is making these connections, even when we're at a,

Starting point is 00:45:23 you know, imagine being someone in a position and everyone directing you towards mainstream and all these larger platforms and choosing to go with The Last American Bagman and Derek Rose. I mean, it's just, it's because of him and what he's doing and because of what we built.

Starting point is 00:45:36 You know, it's just that's powerful. But so he's discussing this. And one of the things that stood out to me is the, what Derek was highlighting is that the actual studies that they did show that there were issues. And ultimately, they disregarded those and just said, well, it's not our responsibility. And then everything we're talking about here, of course there's privacy issues. Of course, there's obvious issues that they're responsible for. But they're one, acting like it's not their responsibility, but not even letting people know that

Starting point is 00:45:58 those risks are there. And so that's, I mean, that's why this guy was so adamantly speaking out about this. It shows a deliberate willful, you know, I argue it's by larger design. I think we probably agree on that, but what that really comes back to. But at some people's minds, they just think it's not their responsibility. They shuck it to somebody else. It's where the world is going, you know. Ryan, I really want to talk about what that larger design is, because I think it really ties into what Derek just explained. And really, you know, why do they want there to be a digital ID? Why do they want you to have a digital ID to get onto the internet. And really, you know, the kind of the case I make in both of my books is that the most powerful weapon in the world is really control of perception.

Starting point is 00:46:39 You know, that's why they've monopolized the media. That's why they're algorithmically censoring social media that they've been caught. The House, you know, committee on the weaponization of government. It's not a speculation that the, you know, the intelligence agencies and government agencies participated in the algorithmic censorship of certain information on major platforms like Facebook, X, Twitter, you know, and others, you know, it came out in the, you know, in, you know, in House committee hearings. And so the, so that ability to control the information that the public receives really is the most powerful weapon. And here we are throwing monkey wrenches into their little program when major whistleblowers from the UN aren't coming out

Starting point is 00:47:30 to monopoly mainstream outlets where they would get more, you know, theoretically could potentially get more coverage because those aren't trusted. They're coming out to the authentic voices of what I call the developing alternative media. And so what I believe the digital idea is, is, you know, they're going to mandate a digital ID to get access to the internet and they're going to have the ability to turn off authentic voices the same way, you know, they turned off the anti-media, they turned off the free thought project, you know, and in some cases, you know, taking people off multiple platforms on the same day, okay? So they can take you off the, so they can take you off the major platforms, but through, you know, through websites and through streaming services, you know,

Starting point is 00:48:28 we're getting around that, you know, capability. So they have to turn us off at the internet. And I think that that is the broader, you know, program. And so I just wanted to get everybody's thoughts. Do you agree? Do you think that's where this thing is going? Because that's what it smells like to me. Not only do I agree, but I have speculated in the past that there will be some sort of of online false flag where some bad event will happen, a shooting, let's just say, of kids. And if only we had known who the shooter was, he was talking about this online, but he was using a VPN, and he was in these chat room. He wasn't using his authentic name. And if only, we had had some sort of internet ID card, then when this lunatic was ranting about how he was going to do

Starting point is 00:49:20 this four days earlier, we would have known who he was, we could have taken care of it. And all that, you don't want these kids to die, right, in the future, right? You don't want more dead kids, right? So you have to, you know, it's for the safety and security, of course, this, this new internet idea. And I can see how they could just walk you right into it, just problem reaction solution. Please give me the digital ID card before I get on the internet so that we don't have any more dead kids. Right. Well, right now, which is interesting, and these are arguments that are that are applicable to so many people across the spectrum. But as we know, it's, you know, conditioned to the current momentum. And so right now it's the same argument that needs to be flavored towards convincing

Starting point is 00:49:57 the Republicans to accept this. And immigration or any number of things, regardless of the importance of the topics around those points, it's being used to, you know, it's a rugpole. It's a manipulation, the bait and switch. And ultimately, we've been talking about this, the, the, what was it, the, the real ID conversation, the Save Act, right? And these different elements to can manipulate these things. Really quickly, I'm going to bring in Jason Bassler and let, oh, I think Derek's out too now, I'll have to figure out to manage the 10 people. Before we continue, I want to just make another quick shout out that while we're here today for those just tuning in, this is the fundraiser today for the Last American Bagabond and the Conscious Resistance.

Starting point is 00:50:33 And let's see where we're at so far. Update it really quickly. And then we'll keep going right now. So we're at 6,000 so far, guys, Amy and 50. So please donate if you think what we're doing is important. and appreciate you all being here so far. We'll be going over a lot more upcoming work and different things. We have prizes down below that we're giving away for a certain amount of donations.

Starting point is 00:50:54 So check that out. I'm going to go ahead and pull back and let who came in, Jason jump in. So keep talking, guys. We were just talking about Jason. Yeah, I'll throw it back to Charlie. Go ahead. Go ahead, Charlie. Sure.

Starting point is 00:51:10 Oh, well, by the way, the universe is telling me something because I have a sticky note right next to me that says to message Tim and let you know that I am republishing your work from the sociable over at activist post and have been for a while now. And I just thought of that because I was in the process of sending one of your articles to my assistant. And I made a note, I need to message Tim, let him know. And then I get on here and there you are. So the universe works in mysterious ways. Awesome.

Starting point is 00:51:37 Thank you so much, Charlie. And great to see Jason here. Man, you're just a couple days ago or a week ago, what you came up, one of those posts about 2020 to 2025 was laying the groundwork. In 2025 to 2030 is the implementation stage. So that's really, the man, that was spot on. Yeah. So I'll leave it to you.

Starting point is 00:51:59 Well, thank you. Thank you. And good to see so many all-stars here. I mean, geez, Louise, this is amazing. Great turnout for T-Lav and Ryan. And I guess I just missed Derek Brose. the editor-in-chief of the Freethaw Project, Matt Agarist, was going to be here and he got caught up in the last second so he can't join us, but he wanted to say hi to y'all. And, yeah, this is just amazing.

Starting point is 00:52:24 I know firsthand about a lot of the issues that Ryan's kind of had to go through financially just to kind of keep this work going. I don't know if you guys know or much the audience knows, but I've been making videos for T-Lav, maybe once or twice a week for, she's over a year now. probably a little bit longer than that, actually. And there was a time period where Brian actually had to let me go for a few months. I think it was maybe about five or six months where he just couldn't afford to. And it's very minimal pay, guys. Like this is very small. But I just wanted to contribute however I could.

Starting point is 00:52:57 And Ryan wanted to do the same. And when he got hit with the law fair, when he was being unfairly targeted, he basically just had to let me go. And it was heartbreaking. I wanted to continue to try to participate and, create content where I could. Unfortunately, I'm sure how many of you guys know this work is all encompassing. It's a lot to deal with. So trying to find a little bit of free time is always very challenging. But between him and Derek Bros., between Ryan and Derek Bros., I mean, you guys have done

Starting point is 00:53:27 such amazing work. And I kind of tend to focus more on maybe the hot takes, which seem to resonate a little bit more on Twitter. But these two guys, they do the deep dives. They do the work. they put out the information that we all need to know in the truest form. It's always nuanced. It's always very critical thinking-esque. And I couldn't be any more in support of everything that these guys have done. Very much leaders, thought leaders, and more so than that. So I'm happy to be here. And I don't have a lot of time today, but I did want to jump in and say hi and do whatever I could help out. A7, I pulled you back for just one second. I'm going to make sure one, Derek or I are here so we continue to engage.

Starting point is 00:54:12 I realize I pulled both of us out for our discussion here. But I'll let Derek jump back in because he was asking a follow-up. But thank you, Jason. I mean, honored to work with you, the Free Thought Project in general, Matt Agarist, you know, powerhouses in this conversation. And it's just, it's one thing that I'm so honored about and how this has continued is how we've grown. Everybody here is, you know, like I said at the beginning, you know, we're dealing with what, you know, what's most important to me is integrity and principles. And like I said, in this community right here, we disagree on plenty of things. But I know everybody in this conversation is principled and, you know, something drives them

Starting point is 00:54:45 other than just what's going to get the most attention, you know, and it means the world to me. So thank you. Let me bring Derek back in. We also have Jason Burmiss in the background. We only can allow 10 at the moment. So Jason, I'll bring you right in once we have an opening. And Derek, go ahead. Awesome. Hey, what's up, brother, Jason, Baster. And again, thanks everybody who's already contributed. As Ryan said, a couple of moments ago, we just passed six thousand. We're up to 6,200. He mentioned at the beginning, but if you're getting here late, there are all kinds of different prizes.

Starting point is 00:55:12 We're giving away copies of my book, whatever book you want. Charlie's donating one of his books. Zoe's donating some of her books. Ryan's giving away seed packs. I think I'm keeping track over here. I think we have already passed the amount of people who will get a copy of my book. There's still room to get Zoe's book, the Survival Kit. If you want to donate 150,

Starting point is 00:55:31 Ryan's given away one of his own webcams for the first two people who donate 200 or a signed microphone if you want to give 500. And really, whatever you can afford is always, is appreciated here. I was saying earlier on the show that I added up all of mine and Ryan's combined numbers between all the platforms and since we've been working together the last six years. And together we're reaching 482,000 people. I think probably more than that, you know, once the reach goes beyond that. But that's just the listed numbers.

Starting point is 00:55:57 And of course, we know the platforms aren't always showing all of those people who sign up all of our content. But that just shows you the potential from just me and Ryan, not to mention all the other great, amazing people who are here. And so we do appreciate everybody who is giving. If everybody, if even 5% of those 500,000 people following me and Ryan gave $25 USD, we would be good for the rest of the year and not have to come back and ask for money. And just to say on this before we get further to the topics,

Starting point is 00:56:23 Ryan and I sat down just to be full transparency last week and we brainstormed, like, dude, you're not doing well. I'm not doing well. How can we keep doing this work that we love? And I know so many people who try to make this a living, understand that struggle. Jason was sharing about that a moment ago. Etienne mentioned anti-media. I mean, I've been doing this for 16 years, and I've seen anti-media. I've seen so many other good websites, the mind unleashed, collective evolution, people covering, you know, the more esoteric stuff,

Starting point is 00:56:50 the conspiratorial stuff, the deep politics, Mitt Press News is barely hanging on. So many people that I've worked with over the years, and most of them are not around anymore, whether that's independent journalists or outlets, because there's simply not a lot of funds to go around. And so Ryan and I said, okay, well, what can we do? We could start doing sponsorships. You know, I've done a little bit of that working with companies that I appreciate. But, you know, sometimes that can create conflicts. Do we want to put ads on the website? No, neither one of us really want to go that route. And the previous, the sort of first wave of independent media, including the free thought project and anti-media, we learned right away that

Starting point is 00:57:23 after the purge that you can't rely on Google ads, even if you wanted their ugly ads on your website, which none of us really did, but it did provide income at one point. That model doesn't really work anymore, right? And so ultimately we just decided, look, people value our work. We get positive emails. We get positive messages. Why not just go to our audience and say, guys, if you want us to continue doing this, if you want to help us elevate and do more real breaking news, like I was sharing a couple minutes ago with the United Nations employee coming directly to me and wanting to break the story through TLAV. If you want to see more of that, guys, we need your help. So thank you to everybody who has contributed and everybody who will throughout the rest of this. I did want to mention just before Jason came on,

Starting point is 00:58:00 we were talking about the digital ID story that I broke with this United Nations employee. I just want to make it clear, too, to everybody here who does do interviews, that Alex Ray, Alexander Ray, my source for that story, who's now going public and he has a substack, he is very interested in talking to anybody in the independent media for those who would like to interview him or help get his story out further, just about him and his views as a UN insider and how the United Nations isn't even taking care of their own employees with their digital ID program. So why should we trust them about anything else? He wants to do more interviews. I know that Corbett's going to be interviewing him very soon. And so anybody who's interested

Starting point is 00:58:35 to be in touch with him, I would love to help facilitate that. And shout out to the anti-media, because it was mentioned briefly earlier. Shout out to all the old school independent media that isn't surviving, isn't here anymore, but for the work that was laid through the early 2010s, mainly on Facebook back in the day. It's funny because so often people talk about the reason we get into this is because it gets clicks or you're trying to make money off conspiracies. I'm like, if you only knew the actual struggle of, you know, of ours, right? Like, nobody is favoring our content. Like, we don't get to be one of those people who get lucky and get a viral video. Typically, we're putting in the same amount of work or more in many cases, and we're getting no help

Starting point is 00:59:20 from big tech and the media or anything. So this idea that, like, you know, we get into this work because we're trying to get clicks or we're trying to, you know, stir things up and talk about controversial topics for, for any other reason besides just trying to seek truth and share what we feel is important information is absurd. So, yeah, I mean, this is a real struggle. That's awesome that nobody had to show any skin and you guys ready at six grand. That is phenomenal. That, that is a keep keep. And like you said, like, if one percent of people who listen to your work or our work or whatever contributed a dollar, I mean, it would go a long way. So I know, you know, people out there struggling, like, no amount is too little.

Starting point is 01:00:01 You know, if everybody just pitches in something, I mean, we spend way more on crappy coffee at, you know, the gas station or whatever. So it's like, you know, anything you can't contribute, it does go a long way. I mean, I'm sure for many people who hate their jobs, you know, we're helping them get through the day or stay informed or whatnot. So I'm sure we're giving, you know, all the people on this show are giving, use some type of value. So any value can give back, please do. Hey, Derek, I just wanted to jump in and say that I've got a head out. But,

Starting point is 01:00:32 hey, happy to join in here. Really appreciate what you guys do and happy to connect further. But I know it's a bit of a struggle. But as I said before, just wanted to reiterate, you know, you guys are voices of courage, your inspirations to me. I know your inspiration to a lot of other people out there. So I got to jump now, but I'm going to share around because I want to make sure you guys are still in the fight doing what needs to be done and that your voices continue to be heard. So thanks and see you guys later. Thanks a lot, Brad. Appreciate your brother. Absolutely.

Starting point is 01:01:02 Ricky, go hang tight for a second. Unless you want to break off, I'll bring you back in one second. I just want to bring in James Burm. I think I might have a good. Burmiss. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I got that afterwards. hopefully everybody can hear me i just want to see big ups to you guys i hope this thing goes really

Starting point is 01:01:23 well um i'm willing to donate a webcam as well logitech probably 1080 p or we'll give out a razor no 4k everybody uh but let's add that to the mix i just want to say you know obviously i've been in this arena man for almost two decades and been following it since you know post nine 11 i can remember outlets like gnnnn gorilla news network uh that were around back in the day and And I just want to reiterate what you guys said. It is slim pickens in the quote-unquote alternative media world. Even if you think that you're like at the apex in something like an Info Wars or something that's been around for 20 plus years, you see how many people end up leaving there. Nobody there other than Alex is making millions.

Starting point is 01:02:11 And he's, you know, in so many legal battles, I'm not even sure that you can enjoy the money at that point. the vast majority of us that are in this arena really do not care about money. But at the same time, you need it to do on the ground reporting, distribute material, spend hours upon hours of reading these people's own white papers or watching C-SPAN hearings from the 80s, as I've been doing with Ron Paul recently with all the Fed Talk and Jerome Powell. So, you know, first of all, Derek, I think we've known each other now, what, 15 plus years? Yeah, yeah, about 15 years. About 15 years.

Starting point is 01:02:51 So he's no rookie folks. I mean, he is a grizzled veteran in this game. And Ryan, I believe you've got to be close to a decade with the Last American Vagabond. I think our first interactions go back all the way to 2017. And one of the things that I value about both of you guys is that we don't necessarily agree on everything. And that we can bring different perspectives to the table. and we can have an open debate where we're not at each other's throats and claiming this side is right or that side is right. When both sides, quite frankly, when we're talking about mainstream, are totally and completely full of shit and playing team baseball 90% of the time.

Starting point is 01:03:33 So if you got the money to give, I don't know if there's a better outlet other than the last American vagabond and Derek Brose and his conscious resistance. Maybe Corbett, and you already mentioned James. And by the way, Derek, I want that UN whistleblower on immediately. Please DM me. We'll get them on next week. So I'm sticking around. I got some of the conversation with the digital ID. Sorry, I was late.

Starting point is 01:03:58 My niece had midterms, had to pick her up from school early today at noon. But yeah, let's keep rocking and rolling. And hopefully, 2026 can be a big breakout year outside of the algorithm of X and Facebook and TikTok. and all these other avenues of, I think, really manufactured virility. Yeah. Maybe I get. Maybe it. Uh, because it's a good at a couple of room.

Starting point is 01:04:30 No, no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's just one. How about now? Is it coming in now? Well, when you talk, it's fine.

Starting point is 01:04:43 Check one, two. Now it's okay. Yeah. all right yeah hello everyone i know i've interviewed most people here uh but and those that i haven't i'm aware where work um i'm getting getting back you guys getting back one of those rest see is it just him no it's better now yeah maybe it was ryan i think it was jason i pulled him and it was good. It's okay. All right.

Starting point is 01:05:17 I'll take it. Go ahead, brother. But yeah, you know, some of my thoughts here. So I remember when I first interviewed Ryan in 2020 on my podcast, and afterward, if you remember, Ryan, when I was still on Patreon, I believe you became a $1 supporter for Geopolitics and Empire on Patreon, which for me, like you guys said earlier, $1 means a lot from supporters.

Starting point is 01:05:40 But just the fact that a fellow colleague, fellow podcaster, you know, gave me $1. that meant way more, that meant so much. So I think that attests to the values of people like Ryan, less American, vagabond, and Derek, and I remember when I went to Greater Reset at the time, right? People reset the first time I went.

Starting point is 01:06:03 I was trying to use the loophole because you guys said Mexicans can go for free. And I think you meant Mexicans, border in Mexico, not naturalized Mexicans. And some like, well, you guys said Mexicans. And so you let me in for free, but it was so good. I had so much fun that I felt guilty. And I paid the $100 or $200 or $200, whatever it was. And then later, all the opportunities that we get working together,

Starting point is 01:06:29 you guys support all of us, mutual support, even though we have different views on different things. And there's the humility there, giving opportunities for people to join different projects. And so, yeah, I mean, this is a lot of work. And so people should give a buck, five bucks more. If you're consuming this content regularly, come on. I had a Spotify commentator yesterday say, I'm a money hungry podcaster.

Starting point is 01:06:59 And I'm like, bro, this is not even a full-time salary. And I make no bones about it. Let's put pay. I mean, we have different approaches. You guys have the unpaid walled approach. But we should definitely not be shy when it comes to. paywalling, premiums, charging for documentaries. And so, yeah, I urge people to support.

Starting point is 01:07:22 And I joined this call late because I had a job interview because it's not cutting it for geopolitics and empire. I'm going to still keep at it. But I look forward to getting out of the house for the morning day job. But that tests to the emergency situation, how it is for everyone. Yeah. I want to add more to that in just a moment because just this idea of what he's talking about there, that there's people who I've realized this, Ryan and we were talking about this last week, how there's a lot of our friends and colleagues in different spaces in independent media who have pretty big following, some including in the millions. And that tends to give the appearance, which is often, I think, a false appearance, not always. Obviously, part of this is being able to handle your business correct. But a lot of people, they might have huge followings online. But they're struggling just as much as what we're discussing here. Like, you know, they can look have a presence on the internet and that seems like people assume, oh my God, this person must be making hundreds of thousands dollars, millions of dollars or whatever.

Starting point is 01:08:22 And it's not always the case. So I want to talk more about that. But 70s, I know you had something to add about the UN digitalize these stories. So let's get into that. Yeah, absolutely. One detail that kind of stuck out to me in that story was the UN employee speaking about like digital ID being entered into a blockchain. And I think that that's an extremely important thing to bring.

Starting point is 01:08:45 up because when we're talking about like this technocratic ecosystem, from everything that I'm kind of seeing from my end, and I'm sure you guys have kind of seen similar patterns, is that we're starting to get what seems to be like a decentralized centralization of all of the markets around the globe that are going to be basically recorded to like unified ledgers. There are papers and projects that are coming out right now from like the Bank of International settlements, the IMF and the World Bank that are talking about creating this unified ledger. And to point to actually a post that Jason Bassler made just a couple of days ago talked about Larry Fink bringing up like the tokenization of everything where, you know, it's going to be like

Starting point is 01:09:33 every asset, every currency, every transaction. They're essentially going to create like a digital replication of that onto a blockchain. And then we even have the SEC chair, Paul Atkins. He just yesterday or the day before said that all U.S. markets will be on chain in two years, which I think is really just like a statement to like how rapidly these things are being developed. And when you pair that with digital ID and some of the work that I believe Whitney is actually covered with like stable coins sort of becoming like asset placeholders for infrastructure. structure and natural resources and things like that, that it ends up connecting dots, I think, in an official capacity where a lot of us have probably connected those dots before, and it kind

Starting point is 01:10:21 of makes us look like we're crazy, and there's some like grand conspiracy, but then you look at all of like the official documents and the systems that are coming out, the deals that are coming with Pallantier, the biodigital convergence and the oncoming technologies of 6G, I mean, it just paints a very dire picture of things come. Yeah, well, I mean, I 100% agree with where it's all going. I think everybody here does. I mean, I think what's interesting about this, along with almost every other topic we could point to, is just how shockingly obvious it is right now.

Starting point is 01:10:56 I mean, I was confounded by that every day where it's like this. It's not even, at one point, it was like, you know, there's a factual point and then both sides like alter it the best they can to feed their agenda or to meet their agenda. Today, it just seems like there's like a factual base of information and there's just like the fake lie of what they want. You know, it's very weird and clumsy. But to this case, I mean, it's like take Pallantir, for example.

Starting point is 01:11:16 You know, it's weird the pushback you get from something that's so obviously involved in so many things today, you know, and there's debate about where and how, but it's obvious that it's central, you know, or even just like the term technocracy, you know, like there's debates about a lot of it. But to argue that it's not central to what's happening, I just think it's so interesting. But to your point about the way this is all going, you know, it's, I mean, we're basically in it right now, you know, I feels like we're once. step away from this being something we can't come back from and people are still debating whether

Starting point is 01:11:44 it's even happening. I think that's part of the design. So I wanted to jump in and kind of echo that because I feel like our legs have been broken at the starting line and the other side is cheating. And I mentioned that Matt Taibi in Rackett News did something called the Censorship Industrial Complex where they tracked, you know, 50 different either social media platforms, non-government organizations, fact checkers, and others that were found to be censoring information during the COVID. This is the same information that came out in the House Committee on the weaponization of government. But there is an active, you know, program to censor authentic voices. And the same time that they can turn up authentic voices, or they can turn down authentic voices.

Starting point is 01:12:35 they have the ability to turn up controlled opposition voices, mainstream alternative media voices. You know, they can give somebody that's willing to gatekeep. They can give them studios. They can give them producers. They can give them social media teams. They can give them big budgets. And they can turn up, they can turn them up on platforms like X, Facebook, and others at the same time that they're turning us down. And I just wanted to share my screen and just kind of like, you know, make the.

Starting point is 01:13:05 point and just kind of show, show, you know, like a show an example here. Hold on. This is a substack. So a lot of people don't realize, but substack has begun censoring as well. Are you guys get to add it for him, Ryan? Can you just bring me, put the link in the chat. I'll bring it up. So it's not a link. It's a screen. So I'm sharing, are you guys getting it or not? No, I think, Ryan, you have to add it to the. Oh, I see it now. I didn't see it was in another. There we go ahead. All right.

Starting point is 01:13:38 Are you getting my screen? Yeah, we got it. Go ahead. So this was our growth on substack. And for a while, substack was the only platform that we found that was not overtly censoring. And then in July of 2025, they announced a $100 million investment from a shady financial firm known as bond that is filled with X Goldman Sachs, X, Goldman Sachs, X NQTel, X Defense Innovation Board, X Kleiner Perkins Partners, plus the Churning Group, which is X News Corp, and Andresen Horowitz, which has funded other controlled opposition platforms, including Twitter, Facebook, Foursquare, BuzzFeed, and Medium. And essentially, as that happens, all of the sudden we get turned off.

Starting point is 01:14:27 And what had been, you know, almost kind of straight up growth, Peter's off. This is our main substack. We've got over 7,000 subscribers on that substack. This is another substack we have where we cover the daily news. And I just syndicated, you know, Derek's article. We syndicate TLAB articles. We syndicate many of the people that are, you know, that are on this call. And we had the exact same thing happen.

Starting point is 01:14:55 And so this is different audiences, different, you know, people. But just like that, like a switch was being thrown, you know, right after they got that million, we saw the exact same thing on our third substack as well. This is something called Five Meem Friday. And so if you don't understand that the alternative voices can be turned off on these platforms, you know, you're not understanding how the game is really played. And that's really what we're up against is we're up against, you know, in a in a true free market, we would be winning. But what I believe is happening is these is the banksters at the top are providing unlimited capital through companies like Bond and Andreessen Horowitz. They're buying up platforms

Starting point is 01:15:44 like, you know, like substack. And then they're turning off the authentic voices that would, that are exposing, you know, the scam of fractional reserve banking, the illegitimacy of government and everything that we're, you know, the ultimate goal of digital ID. And so those are the voices that they want to turn down. And it's not so much that we're losing as much as they're cheating. And we would be winning in a true free market. But the other side is creating digital dollars out of thin air. They're buying the world and monopolizing the media with these paper tickets.

Starting point is 01:16:23 And we're literally being turned off on these platforms. like the flip of the switch. Etienne, I just wanted to second that. I can attest to that my numbers on substack are exactly what you're showing. And I just released an article showing my book in a dumpster fire because that's a financial situation totally upside down. That's what happens when you tell the truth. You get debanked, you get shadow band, you get censored.

Starting point is 01:16:54 All the authors here, Charlie, Etienne, Derek, I'm sure you can. in a test to knowing what that there's going to your point, Derek, that there's this perception that if you write a book, you make all this money or if you run a podcast, you make all this money. And I'm actually going to write a part two article on the publishing racket, which talks about all the money that you have to give up and that it traditionally was something that was only done by wealthy people because of the whole publishing system. And I think we really do need to take Derek's decentralized approach. And I'm considering how to do that to publish in a way where you can actually be

Starting point is 01:17:35 financially compensated for your intellectual property because the system as it's set up is designed to monopolize your money and make it impossible unless you do the whole New York Times bestseller check thing, which it has to be by volume because you make pennies on the dollar. that that's the racket that they have set up. But if you look at any industry, there's a similar racket. Absolutely. Yeah, well, I want to just give a shout out to everybody who's tuned in. We've been live for about an hour and 20 minutes.

Starting point is 01:18:09 This is for the T-Lab and Conscious Resistance Fundraiser. Guys, we need your support. And it's been coming in. I just want to pay a little attention to those who have been giving. We just passed $7,000. So thank you to everybody who's done that. I want to read a couple comments here, anonymous, give up, Keep up the good work. I wish I could give more.

Starting point is 01:18:27 Doctor noticed, honest and integrity and journalism, even more now than ever. Thanks for all you do. Kelly McKinnon says the work that you both are doing is so very important, especially right now in these times of AI and misinformation. I consider you both trusted sources of pertinent information. Keep up the work. Thank you for everything you do. I watch Ryan all the time.

Starting point is 01:18:45 I'd love to get a copy of Derek's book and a sticker. You guys are doing fantastic work and on and on and on. Thank you guys, everybody who has given. We will be getting in touch with you to get the prizes we're given out. And yeah, just so grateful to everybody who's joining us here. We are going to have more friends showing up throughout the next hour and a half, maybe two hours more. We'll see how long we can go.

Starting point is 01:19:04 And this is all about trying to get the conscious resistance in TLAV. Give us the momentum, the financial support, just to be frank, that we need to continue on into 2026 to continue to break stories like the one we were covering my UN story. Also, I wanted to kind of shift to another story that I just published last week and get everybody here's thoughts on it, because it's a big issue of the day right now, and that is, of course, Venezuela. I wrote this article last week for TLAB, the Venezuela Technocracy Connection,

Starting point is 01:19:32 and I'm glad to see that it's being picked up by various outlets, and I actually was on redacted a couple days ago. They've got a channel of 3 million plus, so they're reaching a lot more people than most of us here to talk about this. I'm going to be on Jimmy Doors in a couple days to talk about this as well.

Starting point is 01:19:48 It seems like more people are starting to understand this, but I'd love to just do a nice roundtable whoever wants to share thoughts, obviously my thoughts in this article or that, yes, there's oil, yes, there's resources. We know it's not really about drugs, but even oil can't completely explain what we're seeing here. And what I discuss here is, as you're seeing on screen, those who understand the tech native America, the North American tech Nate map from 1940 by the original technocracy movement, what I talk about in this article is that their original plan, as you can see there at the tip of South America included the Caribbean, Central and South America, Mexico,

Starting point is 01:20:24 Canada, of course, Greenland up there, also in the news right now, and parts of Eastern Columbia and northern Western Venezuela. Well, the U.S. is now in Venezuela. Trump is saying he's the president of Venezuela. They're threatening Colombia. I think that what we're witnessing now, because of the technocrats surrounding Trump, Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, and others, is simply the playing out of this generation's old plan. So I'd love to get some thoughts from everybody around that. Well, I'll jump in really quickly. Well, I had an interview last week. real quickly before we'll go around. I've since I was already kind of jumping in, but the point that I think is relevant about all this is the transition, which I was hoping to discuss with ATN in

Starting point is 01:21:04 particular, because I know this is something that is an important topic today. So we can get into first the kind of larger point as Derek was breaking down of like the, you know, the land grab discussion, the technocracy element of it, but what jumps to my mind is what this seems to be doing to our society more than just the United States. There seems to be sort of a transition of, I see as the great reset Republican version. Really, as you know my work, I think it's all the same thing from our government's perspective. But I think I just want to include that in the starting point. And then I'll throw it to ATIN and just how that seems to be, you know, globally represented.

Starting point is 01:21:36 Go ahead, brother. Well, what I'll say is I interviewed the ex-CEO of Citgo, which a lot of people don't realize, but Citgo is 100% owned by the Venezuelan government. His name is Jose Piera. he was actually captured by Maduro and held hostage. He was a U.S.-based executive. They did a deal that someone in the Venezuelan government felt was disadvantageous to the government. And while himself, the president of Sitgo and five vice presidents were in the country on a trip in 2017,

Starting point is 01:22:16 they were actually kidnapped by Maduro. They were held hostage for five years. They were called the Sitco 6, and they were eventually swapped for two of Maduro's nephews that had been arrested by the DEA for drug smuggling, where the DEA caught them flat-handed on video, testing the purity of cocaine in a room full of, you know, cocaine. and after five years of imprisonment, Jose and the four remaining Sitco 5, one of them had been released because of medical issues. They're literally hooded up. They're thrown on a private jet. They're flown to an island in the Caribbean where another jet lands that has Delci Rodriguez, the current acting president of Venezuela, the former vice president of Venezuela, her private jet lands.

Starting point is 01:23:11 and then a third private jet, DEA jet lands, and they do a swap for Jose and the executives for these two, you know, two nephews of Maduro. And so, you know, what we talked about was we talked about the fact that, you know, oil is not just a commodity. It's also very much a currency. And that, you know, we're on a petro dollar system. And what has happened is the, you know, the last time that the government printed a gazillion dollars like they have now.

Starting point is 01:23:41 It was in the 1970s and they cut a deal with OPEC where oil would only be priced and sold in U.S. dollars. And so all the countries that were oil importing countries now had to buy and hold U.S. dollars. And that soaked up the inflation of the 1980s. And then any person that has threatened that any leader of an oil rich country that has threatened that system has seen themselves deposed. almost immediately. The first was Saddam Hussein. Saddam Hussein very famously in 2000 and I think it was 2003 was under a program called Oil for Food where he was he was under sanctions but he could sell a certain amount of oil. He built up $26 billion in his oil for food account with the UN. He very famously swapped those U.S. dollars for euros. He made money on the deal and they raised

Starting point is 01:24:41 ramped up an invasion. And two years later, we invaded Iraq, which is the number three, you know, oil-producing country in the world. And we took it down and now oil is sold and priced in U.S. dollars coming out of Iraq again. The next one that tried it was Libya. And so, Omar Gaddafi, very famously pledged $144 billion of Libya's gold reserves. He was going to create a pan-regional currency called the gold dinar that was and he was going to you know sell oil in in things other than the u.s. dollar he was going to transact and have a true commodity based currency based on gold and what happened a a nato-backed rebel force supported by nato airstrike uh you know took out his convoy and he was captured and killed and now there isn't and then all of the 144 billion dollars with

Starting point is 01:25:37 the gold that he had amassed disappeared just it's gone. Nobody knows where $144 billion worth of gold went, but now there's not going to be a gold, a gold, you know, pan-regional currency. And then the latest really was Maduro, who was actively selling, you know, oil in both cryptocurrencies. He created some called the Petro, which didn't really work, but was selling oil in Bitcoin, was selling oil in other countries, was doing weapons deals and swaps with other countries for oil, but he was selling it outside of that, that U.S. dollar system. And so what happens?

Starting point is 01:26:15 The United States goes in, and now, you know, that was the number one, you know, proven reserves in the world. And now that number one proven reserves in the world is now back on the U.S. dollar petrol system. And so I think that you have to take a look at that and history of that. And I think that that has a lot to do with what just happened in Venezuela. I will add something that Robert discussed in this, which, you know, to the point of oil in particular, because, you know, it's been an obvious, it's obviously relevant and is a factor. It has been for a long time. But at one point, it was like the only thing people thought was relevant in these conversations. Then it became like the passe point to be like, oh, you're still back in that old policy. It's always been relevant, right? And so today, though, I think we're at a point where it is still clearly important. But I'm leaning at first, you know, and Robert did open my eyes a little bit to what I think he, you know, I'll get into his point. But the rare earth minerals aspect, the lithium is one of the largest in Venezuela, as I know you know, right? These are major parts to this

Starting point is 01:27:12 point. But to your point about oil in particular, Robert made an important argument about this whether it's, you know, Iran as well, by the way, but Venezuela first, that if they, now that they've basically stolen this and even the production and the profit and oil continuing, that he argues that that that, and I'm sure we're all aware of this simple point for those that aren't thinking of the larger foreign policy dynamic of Iran and the straight of Phrmuse, that ultimately that then gives them the leeway should they shut down that pathway. aside from their other possible routes, will give them that sort of grace period to be able to go after Iran. And I thought just oil alone, that is enough. That makes sense to me to make your point, you know, that oil is a relevant part.

Starting point is 01:27:49 But I think bigger on this as it gets into the larger transition of AI, the data centers, and even like you said, even just gold alone, these are very valuable things. But I think that alone would be enough for a group or a government to like the United States to take advantage of this just for their profiteering. But I also think that this is about something larger than that. you know, in the transition that we're existing. And before we go to that, though, everybody else wants to get into the, you know, the land, because we talked about Greenland, there's Mexico, there's all these different elements to it.

Starting point is 01:28:16 And as well, in regard to the technate, but also the oil and Venezuela and how they're gaining from that. So anybody you want to touch on that before we move forward. I think the main play here is the regional union, which is the foundation for the world government. Back in October, I was an expat money summit. And I said, if we're going to see military, action is going to be Venezuela, followed by Cuba and Mexico now.

Starting point is 01:28:42 You mentioned Greenland. It's literally the map. And, you know, Orwell talked about Oceania in 1949. You've got the Technate in the 1930s. You've got the Club of Rome plan. And I like what Tim mentioned, him being down in Colombia. They have many iterations of these plans, Grand Columbia. And Frau, Ursula Gertrude Wonderline of the Fourth Reich out there in Brussels,

Starting point is 01:29:04 She just, they just made the deal of six, seven hundred, for the seven hundred million people for Mercosur, which is like the South American Union. Well, you know, they play. Are we going to do Mercosur? Or we're going to do Unasur. And so I think this is the big play. And then they need those resources. The minerals, lithium, gold. They took 60 billion in Bitcoin possibly for the to operate the technate. So I think they're going big or going home. Like this is the this is the final sprint. And it's our role to. try and put spokes in the wheel, no? I couldn't agree more. Before we go to everybody else, though, Derek, I mean, you wrote the article, right? So where's your kind of view on all of this? I mean, you know, the importance or what you think is driving it. Well, I totally agree with what Etienne said and just all the comments here.

Starting point is 01:29:50 I mean, I think that it is, it, what was coming to mind when you were speaking, Ryan, is it kind of reminds you of like 9-11 and most of the major operations. We've seen that they're multi-layered, multifunctional. It's not just about one thing. Yes, people benefited financially. Yes, files were destroyed. Yes. helps us launch a war, you know, all the different things.

Starting point is 01:30:07 It's like all the players of what I call the pyramid of power come together and they decide, you know, X move is going to be made and each of us are going to benefit and one way or the other. And they make that move. And a lot of different hands are in that. It could be the banking class. It could be the oil industry. It could be, you know, weapons industry, obviously. It could be the technocrats, you know, who want their vision.

Starting point is 01:30:27 And they're all collaborating together. So to me, it's not necessarily one or the other. And the main point I was making in the article, the first thing is to just, dismiss this idea that it's about drugs, which I don't think anybody here actually buys probably, but that's obviously the mainstream story that was sold. And the first point I made was that the claims of Venezuela having to do with fentanyl isn't even in the DOJ indictment. The DEA's report from 2025 under Trump's administration didn't say Venezuela had anything to do with fentanyl either. So then when they do grab Maduro, they change it to cocaine trafficking and maybe they're going

Starting point is 01:30:59 to be able to prove that. But regardless, and there's all these theories about whether he was involved or somebody in his government is involved. To me, what I'm focusing on is the bigger picture of like, okay, the reason they're giving us is garbage, but they're using that to justify it with the normies. He's a bad drug dealer. He's a terrorist, you know, et cetera. So we need to take him down.

Starting point is 01:31:17 Now we're going to take over the country. But what was really surprising to me is that, for one, the mask has fully come off, which, surprise, it doesn't feel any better whenever they're actually just showing how ugly they are. To hear Trump just openly say, this is about the oil. He's not even trying to pretend like Bush or anybody else that they, we're spreading democracy. He's like, we're going to work with the oil companies.

Starting point is 01:31:35 We're going to make a lot of money, and Americans might subsidize it. So they're being more blunt and open about that angle of it, which is, as Etienne, you know, eloquently outlined, it is a part of it. But I do believe the bigger picture of the Technate or the North American Union, whatever you want to call it. The main reason I've been talking about technocracy, like a lot of us here, obviously learned from people like Patrick Wood before us. But this is to me still the big picture. You know, this is the reframing of what has been known as the New World Order for generations. You know, the Great Reset was a term we were all using. I think technocracy and the building of this technate is the exact reason why Donald Trump was elected and the role that he is serving.

Starting point is 01:32:13 That's at least my perspective. And like I said, you look at my article, it links to some my other articles where all throughout 2025, I wrote half a dozen 2,000 word plus investigations showing each of the people in Trump's administration who either worked for Peter Thiel or allies of Peter Thiel, worked for one of his, funds, and there's at least 15 to 20, maybe more at this point. Some of them were involved in Doge. And so the point is Trump is clearly surrounded by these people who have this philosophy. We also looked at Curtis Yarvin, who is the guy that influenced J.D. Vance and Peter Thiel and his philosophy. I mean, this is the modern technocrat movement. And just one other point before I pass it on is, you know, I had somebody say, Derek, the map from 1940s is irrelevant to

Starting point is 01:32:55 today. You know, this is only about oil. Again, I'm not discounting that it is about oil in some ways. But I think to say that and just dismiss it, because that's what they would like you to believe. You go to the Wikipedia page for technocracy. It says it's a failed movement that petered off by the 1940s, 1950s. But you have to remember that in the 1970s, the big new Rosensky wrote his infamous book, The Technotronic era, where he went from calling it technocratic to Technotronic America between two ages. And he described essentially a revival of the technocratic movement, which is when he and Rockefeller started the Trilateral Commission. That is the movement that they've been building since then. So the 1940s,

Starting point is 01:33:29 is just the beginning, the technocracy, ink, all that, that sort of phase of the technocracy idea. Then the 1970s, and then, of course, this continuation of it with the Great Reset and everything we're seeing today. And to that point, Brzezinski's book, The Technotronic Era, excuse me, it describes a world police date. It describes the end of privacy, the end of liberty. It just pitches it like the technocrats did as it's going to be better for everybody. But also, the last point, the trilateral commission, which the big Zabrinsky was involved in before his death. In 2003, they said that was the beginning, the year of the New World Order. You can look it up, the trilateral commissions meeting. They said this was the official beginning of what they were calling

Starting point is 01:34:12 the New World Order. And I think we're just, as somebody said earlier, we're at the point of the acceleration. We all know about the date of 2030. Well, it's 2026, guys. It's not just going to happen overnight. Like, this is a progressive thing that we are witnessing. And it's just becoming more and more obvious. I want to say thanks for having me. I got to drop off. I hope people will consider donating. If people are in a position where they have more time than money, there are free things

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Starting point is 01:36:01 later. Thank you, Gerald. Appreciate you, brother. I'll bring this up. Corey might be joining today. I'm not sure if he has the time I reached out and he might be able to make it. But he's the creator of the independent media token. And a few of us are on the board of this as it grows and hopefully it'll become something. The point is simply just to basically give away free basically no interest or no, you know, free money, basically, not alone, but give money away to people whose projects we believe are, you know, going in the right direction or whatever else. And I think it's just, that's what independent media needs. So thank you for that. I'm going to go ahead and bring in Greg Reese, who just popped in as well. And I'll back out,

Starting point is 01:36:37 let Derek come, Derek come back in. But I just want to echo, you know, pretty much everything Charlie just said, first of all, I just I think it's important that we continue to help each other. But back to the conversation that I'm just fascinated by. And I think this is such an important one, where this goes. And it overlaps are something that I think is very important to this that we brought up before. And this has to do with – so Derek's point in his article about the larger technocratic drive around these different moves, Greenland and so on, and the threats of Mexico. My opinion, as they were outlining, is that this is about something much larger about – I really do think it is just the extension of the Great Reset that's happening under the Republicans like it was under Biden. And it's the same, same endpoint, really, with different flavoring.

Starting point is 01:37:18 And I can't stop seeing the overlap of this with the network state agenda. The charter city discussion, the freedom city discussion, all funded the same and really smart city, 50-minute city. It's the same point. And it's the same funding mechanism. And people have different views with this, which I'm happy to get into. I just think what we're looking at is an obvious transition of society being driven by technocrats and social engineers.

Starting point is 01:37:40 And it's very clear the funding from Pernamos Capital, which is, you know, Peter Tiel, Mark Endreson and Andrewsson Harrowitz funding these many different places. Greenland being one of the main locations that they brought up. Now, I don't know if that's the driving force behind why they're going after Greenland, but it was brought up before Trump made these statements that they wanted to turn Greenland into one of these freedom cities. And it's very important, the overlapping discussion in the United States of freedom cities. That's the same movement, the same people.

Starting point is 01:38:05 So I'm worried about this being framed as a freedom movement to people that think they're fighting for that and may even have good intentions and inadvertently supporting what was the Great Reset they were fighting 30 seconds ago. That's really my biggest concern. I'll open up to the table and I'll bring Derek back in. Hey, would you mind if I just hopping on what Derek was talking about? I know Hervoy has covered this quite a bit too about the tech, Nate. Do you see that link that I shared is from Gustavo Petro, the president of Columbia in the chat there.

Starting point is 01:38:35 He's got a map of Brian Columbia, and he's proposing to put that together again and to turn it into something that's just like the European Union. That's his exact words. And it came three days. Yep, there it is. Three days after talking with Trump, you know, so Gustavo Petro, the president of Colombia, was going back and forth to Trump for a couple years now. They had a phone call on the seventh.

Starting point is 01:38:58 Then Petro posted this on the 10th. And he proposes putting all this together. That's Panama. That's Colombia. That's Venezuela. Parts of Brazil, you know, the Orinoco parts. Ecuador, I think, is there as well. Peru. So everything you're saying like, man, it's really accelerating there.

Starting point is 01:39:18 But of course, Petro's going to be out in a couple months. They're going to have new president. Look how similar that is to the tech and crap map. I mean, that's nearly identical. It's ridiculous. So yeah, I just wanted to bring that up just because just how quickly those things are moving. You know, Maduro gets captured. Trump and Petro are going at each other. Then almost suddenly they have a phone call and it's like kumbaya. So I just wanted to put that in there. One thing I was hoping you could talk about Derek too is I know you're doing the people's reset pretty soon in in Morenia which is the capital of Michua Khan which has a level four travel advisory now since Maduro got abducted and I was hoping Charlie could talk about this too because I think Greg

Starting point is 01:40:01 Reese think you're talking in Puerto Vallarta and Arcapulco and they're talking about they moved it from Acapulco which is also in Mituwa Khan and there's a travel advisory there and lots of other places in Mexico right now. And I noticed that just happened after the Maduro thing. Sure. I can speak about Mexico, but let's, hey, Greg, go ahead and introduce yourself, brother. Thanks for joining us, man. Hey, everybody. Thanks for asking me to come. I was honored to have Ryan reach out to me and invite me on. So, hey, actually, and I canceled that. I canceled my engagement in Arquipoko. I had to. Well, thanks for being here with us, brother. I think everybody here is probably fans of your work.

Starting point is 01:40:39 for those who haven't come across Greg's edits in his short little mini documentary films, which have been inspiration for some of my own work. Definitely check him out, man. And we've been live now for about an hour and 40 minutes. We're just going through some of the work we've been doing at T-Lav. We talked about my story about the United Nations insider who just came out publicly on Wednesday directly to me. We're talking about my recent article on Venezuela and technocracy, everybody. We did just pass $8,000 a couple minutes ago.

Starting point is 01:41:05 So thank you again, everybody who is continuing. We're about to hit 9,000 while Brad Reade. just gave $400. Guys, this is all going. Ryan and I will be splitting this money right down the middle so that we can continue to do our operations. He can continue to do his daily four-hour epic breakdowns and pay me to do articles. And I will continue to do the other work that I'm doing, including documentaries and things

Starting point is 01:41:27 of that sort. And since you asked, I will talk about the people's reset in Mexico, unless anybody else wants to talk about technocracy first. Yeah, one thing, and then I'll throw it to you to talk about that. At one point, we will be discussing a few different things. at some point today more we're going to get into some future projects more of Derek's past work other things we've worked on in general before we go into something next Derek I want to throw it to you next I want to make sure we also welcome Matt Weinglass from the homeless left go ahead and say hello and

Starting point is 01:41:53 and introduce yourself brother hey everyone I thanks for having me uh part of this panel today I just want to say I've been totally inspired by you guys and I think they just to go back to the earlier conversation on censorship I think that's the thing that got me into this space uh with the channel we started, the homeless left just a few years ago. But it was a reaction to the fact that we weren't allowed to have conversations. That's, I mean, that was the starting point for everything. So all of these issues, going into it in an honest way with critical thinking skills, getting out of the tribal mindset.

Starting point is 01:42:27 I think that was my draw to get into this space. And then to notice that it really is across the board, the people like Ryan, Derek, all you guys, this is the people in this space that have to deal with censorship. on a regular routine basis, those are the people you want to listen to. That's just common sense. And it's just been fascinating for me to see that the relationships you guys have had for several years and the people that we're meeting here in this space from all sorts of places. And it's not like everybody agrees on everything.

Starting point is 01:42:55 I think that's also been the sentiment here in this space. It's not about agreeing with everything. It's about sharing principles and values that we are consistent with, with our critical thinking skills when things develop, whether it's domestically, whether it's, you know, global issues. We are looking at everything, whether it's COVID, whether it's any of these war machine agendas, the propaganda machine.

Starting point is 01:43:18 We are challenging it every day. And the people that have to deal with censorship are the people you want to listen to. And I think I have to say, when we started our YouTube channel, we got canceled right away. So the homeless left was terminated almost immediately when we started talking about COVID, started talking about Israel, started talking about these things immediately. And so I thought that, oh, we're dead in the water. We're done.

Starting point is 01:43:42 But I noticed that people in this space, they reached their hands out. And they said, this kind of qualifies you. It means that you're doing something right, that they're going to be sending you termination letters from Google. They're going to tell you that your conversations are dangerous. They're too dangerous for the community. We have to keep the community safe from conversations. And so I'm thinking that that kind of is a badge of honor that to be like that right out

Starting point is 01:44:07 the bat and I just have to say I'm just grateful for the relationships we've been able to make so quickly in this space and I'm totally champion what you guys have been doing and just thanks for having me on and yeah I just I appreciate that consistency and I think our audience does too thank you for being here brother great work that you guys are doing as well cool well we've we've got an awesome diverse group of people here I will talk a little bit about Mexico and then I will go to another story that we've done at TLAV just to kind of show again some of the stories that people have out. A number of the stories that I've broken with Ryan over the last six years, five and a half years have come because people have reached out and said, hey, I have this bit of information.

Starting point is 01:44:46 I have this experience. Will you report on it for me? I heard you talk about this other thing. And then it involves building relationship with that source and it turns into all kinds of different things, either the UN story and some other more controversial topics that I'd love to get some opinions on here. But first, as far as Mexico, so I do live in Morelia, Michoacan, Mexico, which generally year-round is a place that the U.S. State Department tells you not to go to because of cartel activity. It is a big state, and there is cartel activity and part of the state, mainly the western, southwestern part of the state where I'm from.

Starting point is 01:45:19 In the capital, in Moralia, I mean, it's like any normal city that you'd be in with 500,000 people and mountains around you. Your life is not in danger any more than it would be any other American city, maybe even safer than in some American cities, for sure, safer in some American cities. So I don't notice and haven't noticed any kind of changes specific to Venezuela, other than I will say there have been protests out here against the U.S.'s involvement in Venezuela, which is kind of cool to see. And I did some reporting because I've been starting to do more reporting on the ground here in Mexico in Spanish, some interviewing people in Spanish and in English with subtitles, stuff like that. And there was an assassination a couple months ago of a local mayor, about an hour or a half from where I'm at right now. And this mayor, his name is Carlos Manzo, was very vocal against the cartel and speaking out

Starting point is 01:46:08 against the current president, Claudia Shinebaum. And some people believe may run for president someday. But he was vocally opposing the cartel. He was going along with ride-alongs with his own police force, putting himself out there, telling citizens to arm themselves. And then he was violently gunned down and murdered. And when that happened, the country in many places, but especially Mexico City and here in Marelia, people came from Urapan, the town where he was murdered.

Starting point is 01:46:33 next day and protested at the governor's palace, which is here in Morelia, in the Centro area, and some of it got violent. You know, there's questions from locals about whether or not it was provocateurs or not, but there was definitely hundreds of, almost thousands of people pissed off in the Centro here making noise and basically saying the governor of this state is involved in the cartels, the president's involved. It kind of sparked a big movement and including protests in Mexico City. And I did some reporting about that because you guys probably saw the the video is going viral because unfortunately people like mainstream alternative news people like Benny Johnson and Alex Jones were sharing the clips like Mexico's in a civil war against its Chinese

Starting point is 01:47:11 communist president. And it was some violent looking clips of people fighting the cops that took place over about two hours one day. And the next day the square is filled with old people dancing. Like life was back to normal. But on Twitter especially, people like Alex Jones take these clips and they play them everywhere. And they just build up all this hype like Mexico's having a revolution. And of course, Trump has been saber rattling about wanting to get involved in Mexico, which is obviously fits into the technocrat plan as well. There's a lot happening. And, you know, to speak to that on a more personal level, living here, but also we're organizing an event two weeks from now, the people's resets, actually two weeks from yesterday. And there have been some people who, including our performers and speakers who are like, is it safe for me to come?

Starting point is 01:47:54 I'm seeing stuff on the news, you know, this and that. And it's because there's all that garbage out there. And honestly, I think most of it is just hot air. It's just saber rattling. But yeah, watching Trump go into Venezuela is like, holy shit, they might actually do it. It feels so kind of beyond the norm for me to imagine. Like, no, there's no way that they would put U.S. troops in Mexico, that they would actually do the drone bombing that they keep threatening. But at this point, I think anything's fair game.

Starting point is 01:48:18 I don't think it's going to happen in the next two weeks. I also think one important point to remember on that, and then I'm done with it, whoever wants to jump in here, is that strategically, Trump and Canada and Mexico, they're going to be renegotiating the USMCA agreement. this summer. I think that could be one of the reason Trump is making all this noise. Maybe he's not actually going to do anything, but he's going to use this as kind of a bargaining chip when they come to renegotiate over the summer. And using the USMCA, the US government has already forced, like, sued the Mexican government, because the Mexican government said they didn't want any GMO corn from the US. Like, we don't want your soy, we don't your corn. We're not going to feed it to our animals. It went from that like a really bold statement. A couple years ago,

Starting point is 01:48:56 we're banning all US GMO corn. The US said, hey, you're violating the USMCA agreement. We're to sue you and then they said okay we'll take the corn but just for the animals and i think they even got them down to just accepting it in general but so my point is these agreements are also a part of the the kind of the conversation they should be right now because maybe trump will do something insane in mexico i just can't imagine and yes you know i don't know i don't know how what we'll do or what what things would look like because people say well if cartels got scared enough maybe they'll start kidnapping foreigners and things like that to sort of send a message to the u.s government who knows or if it's it's all just garbage because, I mean, I think ultimately on the bigger picture,

Starting point is 01:49:35 these folks are all working together, you know, at the presidential and above level. As we know, presidents are just puppets. So, yeah, that's my thoughts on what's going on in Mexico. I welcome anybody else's thoughts. I'd like to jump in really quick and tell you what I think's going on. Just because I don't, I usually don't try to share my opinion in the Reese report, but I guess stuff like this, you can talk about your opinion. I think it's all about a cataclysmic event.

Starting point is 01:50:02 Russia calls it a pole shift. And I've been following this for over 20 years. And before I remember hearing about global warming, I was talking about pole shift and found that fast. You know, that's what gave Randall Carlson his fame, really, was because on Joe Rogan even, because that was the big stories they were talking about was histories lost, which is what?

Starting point is 01:50:24 Cataclysm. And so if you factor that, you could play a game with this. You could play a game, everything that's going on that seems weird. Well, explain this then, and you put it in the frame of not just cataclysm, but a cataclysmic event where somehow, now the big mystery here is, the official story is it's a pole shift, and that story has been going on for a long time. Magnetic North has been moving faster every year exponentially for the past hundred years, I think. They've been talking about that the 60s. And that's what Russia is saying. Russia is saying that it's about to flip. And so that's

Starting point is 01:51:03 why they're spending billions of dollars up in the Arctic because they're clearing, they're getting ready for a shipping lane. And that's why they're bringing in people and they're encouraging, the Orthodox Church is heavily encouraging children, children, children, children. We need more people. We need more people. And the church is even saying that site, well, the government's saying that Siberia is going to thaw. I was visited there for six months and even a 20-year-old bartender knew all about this. So this is like mainstream news in Russia. And the church talks about it too. There's prophecies in the church saying that Siberia is going to thaw. And if you look at Siberia on a map, it's crazy.

Starting point is 01:51:40 Siberia is bigger than America, I think. Bigger in the United States. And they're saying all this land is going to be accessible. And they already have a shit ton of oil and they already have a shit ton of minerals. And then with the Siberia thing, all that, they're going to have an incredible advantage for one thing when this thing. all goes through. And this thing is, I came up with this. I'm sure you've all heard this. You know, it goes back from many different angles, Edgar Casey to the U.S. Navy to, you know, on and on and on and on. And the way that the United States is acting, the United States is not preparing for a gold rush. United States is acting like a company, which it is, and they're consolidating and they're liquidating.

Starting point is 01:52:23 That's what they're doing. They're letting the infrastructure go to shit because they know they're going to just wait, for it to get hit and then they'll rebuild it then. They're building massive AI data center so they can hopefully manage the surface while who knows. Edgar Casey and the U.S. Navy both had maps that showed the East and West Coast lines being gone. Maps are written and there's a third one too. I can't remember the name of different sources of predictions. Who knows? But it explains everything. It explains why all the infrastructure is actually being moved inland. It explains the Denver airport. The Queen owns property around the Denver airport or the Crown of England. It explains why the bushes bought land in Paraguay, right in the center of South America.

Starting point is 01:53:06 The biggest aquifer in South America is owned by the bushes and the crown of England. And that was 20 years ago. And it explains why they've hired the vultures to come in as managers right now in America, in the United States. Trump, perfect example. There's a lot of things about him that doesn't make sense. Maybe that's what you to get the vulture, the vulture just comes with total gross like, you know, that's the vulture. But that's their job, I think, is it's not a pretty story, but that's what I think's going on.

Starting point is 01:53:35 And that's why I came on here is because what, what's going on in Mexico with Derek Bros, from what I understand, is the solution. The solution, if you don't want to ride it out, maybe an old guy like me who's all alone doesn't mind riding it out. But if it's really important for you to find a solution, and it still is for me, I guess, too, is that community. And I don't think the system cares. As long as you're not in their way, you're going to be fair, I think, to do your own thing, you know, create your own society where you can live and eat. And this is something, you know, I'm kind of half hippie. I've been dreaming about that since I was a kid of like somehow

Starting point is 01:54:20 fending for yourself, growing your own. own food, all that. I still dream of that. And so it's time, that's not going to be obviously given to us because the governments are trying to prepare for an event. And politically, like I said, China looks pretty good too, actually, I think. But Russia is going to be in control. Anyways, that's neither here or no there. But the solution is what can we do? And I think the truth to that is aside from being a hermit and just rioting it out, we need each other. We need each other. We need to connect. And so it's an absolute blessing that we have this ability right now to like connect worldwide. And we need to start, if we really want to thrive, I think, in my humble

Starting point is 01:55:04 opinion, because I could just be a whack job. I don't know. This is just what I think. But in my opinion, that's what we need to do is we need to make decisions, serious decisions. We might need to consider relocating. I'm certainly considering. I'm in a pretty good spot right now. I'm in Montana in a little neck of the woods that is probably a decent spot, but I'm still looking at Russia. Siberia seems like an awfully exciting adventure, you know. So I'm still open-minded, but I think we need to think about relocating if we haven't already, and we need to think about compromising and humility. And I'm not a Christian, but Jesus Christ to me certainly symbolizes a model to behave.

Starting point is 01:55:46 If you could behave in a manner like that and keep. yourself from getting killed, then I think you can go far in this world. But with each other, we really do need each other. Anyway, that's my long rant. No, great, great. It's a very interesting topic. I'll bring Derek back into to talk solutions because he's the best person in my mind in the world to talk about that. But to your point, and I'd love to get into this more after that is just the interesting point you're discussing. Now, first I always say that whether or not you out there believe that that's what's happening, it's worth noting that I truly think and think you can prove that there are people in power that do and are acting as if, right? And that's,

Starting point is 01:56:21 you can make that point about a lot of very wild things and, you know, where there are people in power that believe this is what's happening, even if you don't think it is, and they act that way and that can, you know, help you understand why they might be acting a certain way. But there's some interesting discussions to be had about whether that is what's going on. And I even broaden it out to something I recently had an interview about. And you and I, Greg, have talked about this, the Yuga cycle conversation, the Kala Yuga. And I interviewed an expert on their BWR and MISRA. And the point about this, basically whether you think this is some supernatural event or rather just the our ability as humans

Starting point is 01:56:53 in looking back and documenting history to outline, you know, how we thought things were happening, that there seems to be a cycle of these cataclysmic events that you can prove. And there's a lot of theories around it. And so maybe very well that that's what we're talking about. I find that fascinating, you know, but we can talk about that more. Let me bring back Derek to address your point about solutions. And really, his work around this is what guides me on this point. And, you know, the idea that we need each other or that we can.

Starting point is 01:57:17 actually succeed in that to go ahead Derek oh looks like i can say we lost somebody go ahead Derek oh i think you're muted i think seven Cs has to leave in just a moment so just want to give that brother chance to say something hey thank you guys so much for having me it's an honor um grateful to meet a lot of you for the very first time uh good to meet back up with a few of you that i've spoken with um really the only thing that i i had um to present was uh sort of like the standards and technologies that they're proposing for 6G that's sort of estimated to arrive in

Starting point is 01:57:53 2030 and it has to deal with basically a lot of the building blocks that we're seeing with technocracy, especially here in the United States and how it's going to be sort of standardized as a communications protocol across the entire world. So anything that

Starting point is 01:58:09 operates on 6G will be using a lot of these proposed technologies. I have a link in there. Standards standards proposed by like the I-T, the I-T, the ITU, DARPA, the NSF, WEF, and things like that. So if anybody wants to, you know, discuss any of those things, or if anybody has any overlapping research that they maybe want to talk about with that, feel free. And thank you guys again for having me, and I wish you guys best of luck.

Starting point is 01:58:39 And thank you to everybody on this panel that contributes in their own various ways and and doing what they can to get the truth out there just just on matter of principle. Yeah, thanks for being here, brother. And shout out to Jason Bassler. He had to go as well. Jason with the Free Thought Project. If you don't follow them, please do. They're always making awesome memes and also writing original articles and aggregating articles like ours.

Starting point is 01:59:02 Yeah, so there was some talk about exit and build essentially is what was being discussed there by Greg. And Greg and I talked a little bit about this on his podcast before. I did want to just take a moment real quick, just to jump back to the, the, the, which is why we're here and just to thank everybody who is here with us on the panel because and those who are donating everybody here who's keeping the interesting conversation going on because we're about to hit $11,000. Thanks to everybody who is donating. I'll just read a couple of the comments. Ronnie four minutes ago, $100. Been a staunch follower since 2019. Thanks for all the

Starting point is 01:59:32 hard work, Ryan. Anonymous, $1,000. May you go in his grace. Brandon, 50 bucks. Cody Reed, $1,000. Thank you so much, brother. He says, much appreciation for my family. We truly value your hard work. and the extension that is the Independent Media Alliance. I specialize in web development content management. If I could be of any assistance, reach out. Devin Wolf, 20 bucks, Brad Reed 400, and on and on. Thanks to everybody who is giving just as far as the gifts that we're giving away. There is still the donation of $150 to get the survival kit from Ryan.

Starting point is 02:00:05 We've already given away all the seat packs from Ryan, all of my assigned books, Zoe's books as well, TLAF stickers, those have been collected. one person donated with a thousand, so they get one-on-one with Ryan if they'd like and discuss whatever you want. There's a signed T-Lav microphone for 500 bucks if somebody wants to collect that gift. We're just throwing out prizes just to kind of sweeten the deal. Overall, though, the whole idea, guys, is if you support what myself and Ryan are doing with conscious resistance and Last American Vagabond breaking important stories and trying

Starting point is 02:00:36 to do real independent investigative journalism, we really need your support, and it means a lot right now. So thank you to everybody who has given. Again, even if you can give five, 10, 15 bucks, that goes a long way. So thank you guys for being here with that. Yeah, I mean, what Greg was talking about is really the path that I'm personally on. And one thing I will say, before I kind of describe what I call exit and build, I fully accept that we all have, just like we all have different interests as journalists, right? We're not all drawn to the same topics and that's okay, despite what the audience says when people played with you, why don't you talk about this particular topic? You're a show because you don't talk about my

Starting point is 02:01:11 favorite topic, we all have different interests and those are going to, you know, lead us to what we want to investigate. So that, you know, that's one of the ways that we are diverse. And I also know that we have diverse lifestyles and interest and goals. So maybe not everybody has an interest in what Greg was describing, going off and getting land and growing food or building your own home or being a permaculturist or even just living outside of the country. Some of us love the city. I love the city for a lot of reasons. But ultimately, I do think that what COVID, at least for me, was a sign that life as many people have accepted it or believed it would be. And the life that people admittedly built for themselves, investing in their careers and 401ks and banks and all this

Starting point is 02:01:50 sort of stuff, that all of that is going away. I mean, I think we all realize that. And I think there's a lot of people who are still trying to hold on to that. And so they might be awake, but they're staying in the city and they think that somehow they're going to survive the smart cities and the, you know, the technocracy and the digital IDs and biometrics and everything. Or people think that they can just continue to go about their regular lives and all these different ways, including travel. I mean, I love to travel. I know a lot of us here obviously love to travel, but if we're paying attention and we're going to stand by, like if our voices actually means something and the things we say actually means something, then you're not going to just say,

Starting point is 02:02:24 okay, I've been warning about biometrics and digital ID for a decade, but here it is, and I'm going to do it anyways because it's convenient and because I don't have another plan. What would be the point of talking about these things if you're just going to do them in the end? So if you're not going to submit, then you have to start asking yourself, what am I going to be able to do to survive and thrive into the future? If I'm not going to play the digital ID game, if I'm not going to play the biometrics to travel, if I'm not going to play in these systems or the biometrics to bank or whatever it may be, then how are you going to make money? Where are you going to put that money? How are you going to get your food? These are big questions that I started really asking myself a decade

Starting point is 02:02:57 ago, but especially when COVID hit. I wrote my book, How to Opt Out of the Technocratic State, at the end of 2019, published it January 31st, 2020, right as we learned this word COVID-19. And it had nothing to do with pandemics or anything, but it was just talking about the rise of technocracy and how does a person who values privacy and liberty stay free in that world of this technocratic surveillance police state? And to me, the answer is, well, besides pushing back where we can and hoping and praying that that's going to stop it, which I'll be real. I mean, I'm not blackpilled about it, but I don't see a lot of resistance. So I started thinking if we can't stop it,

Starting point is 02:03:32 let's keep trying where we can, but if we can't stop it, then we should be able to survive it, thrive in the face of it, outside of those systems. And so a lot of what I do talk about focuses on building parallel systems. I call it exit and build. So exiting from the systems that are not aligned with your values and principles and building the new ones or supporting those who are building new ones. And that could be technological, food production, food distribution.

Starting point is 02:03:55 It could be health care. just anything that you think that we need to survive, we need the brightest minds among us who are awake to these issues, I believe, to be thinking about what are we going to do outside their systems? And of course, there's all kinds of people who say, Derek, have you ever heard of Waco? They're not going to let you live outside the systems. They're just going to drone bomb you. They're just going to do this and that. And sure, all those things could and maybe will someday happen.

Starting point is 02:04:17 But all I know is that in the past years that I've not only been talking about it, but actually living it, I now have land in Mexico with a community of seven other households. We're aiming for 10 households. We've got avocado trees, banana trees. We're starting to build our homes in the next couple months. We're starting to host our first events to teach other people how to do this. And I'm, as you guys can obviously tell, I'm doing a fundraiser. I don't have a trust funder, a lot of money to do this.

Starting point is 02:04:39 I used my own mind to come together and build it with a group, and it took five or six years. But now we're at that point from first coming and deciding to move to Mexico, March 2020, right as the COVID began, seeing this land in May 2020, and then getting a group together, spending years coming together with like, how do I make this idea happen? How do we resolve conflicts? How do we organize ourselves? How do we make decisions? And working on building this with the group to now get to the point where we have the land.

Starting point is 02:05:06 We own it. We're starting to build on it. All this sort of stuff. So my point is it's possible. That's mainly what I advocate outside of my journalism. Because for me, my goal is to use the journalism to get people to think and question to wake up. But then ultimately, I do try to lead them to some of my work that's more philosophical or strategic of exit and build and the people's reset. And like, I just don't, I don't think

Starting point is 02:05:27 government's going to save us. And I don't think that there's really any other way to, I don't think there's enough people resisting, even those who are awake, to actually stop what's coming. So instead, I figure, like, well, we should probably be able to survive it. And the way you do that is to not be dependent on their systems. So sorry about the long grant, but I'd love to get everybody's opinions, thoughts, criticisms. Well, really quickly, I'd like to throw the ATN on this only because, you know, I mean, I went to your event in Sedona with Derek as well. And it really did change my entire perspective. I mean, I was already very much open to a lot of these topics, but to immerse yourself in that community myself with your, it was powerful, you know,

Starting point is 02:06:01 and I really do think that, you know, you would have a good point to make on top of this because it's really, you know, your entire mindset is about building outside of the government. And so I'd like to throw it to you, brother, if you have anything to add to that. Well, you know, it's funny because I thought you were kind of setting me up for the network cities because of the work that I did about Prospera. And so maybe I could cover, you know, I could cover Prospero because I know there's, you know, I look at that as an example of someone that is creating a, you know, creating a free private city where they're offering governance as a service. I know that there's a lot of, you know, people believe that Peter Thiel is behind it.

Starting point is 02:06:39 I can assure you Peter Thiel is not behind it. Pranamos, which is a fund run by, run by Friedman's son, I forget, I forget his name, Petrie Friedman, has a very tiny investment, less than 1% of invested capital in Prospera. But for those that don't know it, it's the idea that you can, you know, not every, you know, not every free private city is something that necessarily is going to be a technocratic, you know, like rugpole. There are people that are libertarians, that want to offer, you know, that want to offer governance as a service. And they want to do it better in a kind of way that people can opt out. They can opt out of the existing, their existing government.

Starting point is 02:07:29 They can vote with their feet. And in the case of Prospera, you've got a, you know, you've got a community that is got the lowest tax rate on the planet. I think it's like 5%, you know, there's like a 5% income tax. there's a two and a half percent, you know, sales tax. There's a one percent on business activity tax. It has, you know, it's got, you know, unbelievably, you know, kind of the best regulatory environment to start a business in. You don't have this, you know, they're using essentially insurance's regulations.

Starting point is 02:08:09 So instead of having to go and get a building permit, you know, you've got to go to your insurance company. the insurance company's got to insure it, but you can start building immediately. You don't have to have a, you know, you don't necessarily have to have a health, you know, inspector come by to check out your restaurant, but your insurance company's got to come by and check out your restaurants. So they're using kind of insurance as regulation. And they're, you know, they're offering, you know, very, very, you know, free. Peter Thiel has never uttered the word prospera as far as I know.

Starting point is 02:08:38 And so I know there's, you know, that there's this, this rumor out there that he's behind it. But I think that. brother. I mean, we got to be, we got to be, you know, I mean, I think what's important to frame this as is that it's not fair to say that this is absolutely one thing or the other. There's a lot of people involved. There's a ton of different perspectives. But it's important to be clear about the fact. And I wish Ian Davis was here as well because he's written a book and really gone into some of this. It's obvious that I said pronomos, but it's pronunciation. How did you pronounce it? I think it's pronomos. But so this is this is andreson. This is teal. Now, regardless of what we, you know, we, you know, stated, it's clear that this is their entity. And it's clear that they're the face of a lot other than Prospera that funds the same things, like Praxia, which is aimed at Greenland. Peter Thiel's the one that asked to make that from Trump to asking Trump to make that a network state. So what's important is they are 100% involved. And it's clear that their ideology and their influence is guiding all this. The sea setting thing just started back up. It's all part of the same conversation.

Starting point is 02:09:37 They're also the funding mechanism behind the Freedom City push. There's all these points you made about how even if there is a lot of good people with the right like Friedman for example might think that I disagree with the framing but I could be wrong but he might think he's doing the right thing for the reasons my point is that there are nefarious elements to this that are transparent what the way that this started with Honduras was an illegal US regime change I think that's a terribly bad that's not libertarian in my mind and how this went down the way to right government good yeah I want to just add to this because well I what two things I want us to not get too deep

Starting point is 02:10:11 into this because we have an independent media alliance panel where we're going to have this exact conversation with our friend Sterlin, Lujan, who's also been involved in the network state, specifically by going to Balagis, the author of the network state book, one of his place, one of his network state camps, who has some opinions he wants to share on that. So I don't want us to get too far deep into that, but I did want to just reiterate what you were saying that Tio provided $9 million of, you know, round of funding in 2019. I don't know, Etienne's told me about this as well, like his involvement is not beyond that. But I do think the point you're making that, Ryan, to me is something that I care about,

Starting point is 02:10:47 which is that these ideas of what I'm talking about, exit and build, a lot of people, there is an overlap between the network state of this idea of like, let's build our own systems, parallel systems. But it's also true, as you said, and as we've reported in the past, that these counter-elite, as they call themselves, as Andreessen has called themselves, they absolutely see themselves as an alternative to the progressives, although they're heading in the same direction. And they are funding these so-called libertarian projects. And Peter Thiel is the furthest thing from the libertarian because of not only government contracts, government subsidies, things like that, military industrial complex.

Starting point is 02:11:20 But I think that's also been, from my mind, a part of the corruption of that movement by trying to get people who are, hey, those who are talking about things similar to what I'm talking about, now the billionaires are going to get their money involved and try to steer their own kind of version of it. It doesn't mean everybody involved is bad or necessarily. but I do think that they are trying to co-opt and steer their own version of what I'm describing. Yeah, so that's pretty much where I was going to go with that. So if I could just finish really quickly, my point was that the basis of it matters, right? And if it started in something like, who know, maybe Peter Thiel thinks he's saving the world. Like we said at the beginning, it's hard to say, I'm not going to speak to intent. But I think it really matters that we can see the transition, right?

Starting point is 02:11:56 And this is what I'm talking about is that like we're seeing with this entire Trump administration, is that it's about presenting something like ran in the Fed, but bringing in a CBDC, right? And so I see this as they recognize a floundering of their influence, they being just power structures, the government, and recognizing clearly that the importance in this is to try to get us to choose that new path. And so in this way, they know that we're fighting for these things. And so the idea that I see is to present us with what appears to be an enticing change, which is really just them co-opting our desire for that change and bringing in what I see as, you know,

Starting point is 02:12:31 a technocratic hellscape. I mean, you can look at the way that they've been seizing, you know, areas like Crawfish Rock. I mean, it's expanding, you know, the point is we, it's not to be debated. We can debate if we want, but the point is, there's different opinions on this. I just want people to ask whether or not it's possible this is leading you down a path that will be, you know, the rug pull at the end. That's all. I think it's really important to ask. So I've been to Crawfish Rock.

Starting point is 02:12:54 I've interviewed many people from Crawfish Rock. They didn't seize anything. They offered to buy it. And then there was a pushback from the community that they'd, didn't like it, but they have not seized any part of crawfish rockers. There's a lot of things that we can talk. But really, just to get back to the point is the point I was trying to make is, number one, not all free private cities are necessarily going to be a bad thing.

Starting point is 02:13:21 I think there are going to be libertarian entrepreneurs that are going to want to offer governance as a service and do a better job than the government and people are going to vote with their feet and they're going to go there and they're going to have a better experience. They're going to have a better regulatory environment. They're going to have lower taxes. They're going to have better things. And so it's not necessarily a bad thing when you say free private city. The other point that I would make is that there's other places where people are voting with their feet.

Starting point is 02:13:47 My other favorite is the Free State Project in New Hampshire, which does not have any, you know, billionaire backing, which is, but is slowly and surely taking over New Hampshire, rolling back rules, rolling back regulations, privatizing government. and is being incredibly successful. They have no state income tax. They have no state sales tax. They've engineered. There is a business proceed tax, but they went to the legislator, and they got legislation passed

Starting point is 02:14:16 where you can take your contribution to the business proceed tax, and you can put it into the scholarship fund where they're giving scholarships for private schools and even for homeschooling to get kids out of the government indoctrination center. And so that's another example

Starting point is 02:14:31 where people are voting with their feet and they're going to better regulatory environments, lower tax, you know, places. And so I think that's another, you know, point of like, of exit and build isn't necessarily to exit the whole thing. It's just to go where it's better, where you can build something with the other members of the Free State Project, where you can roll it back, where you can, you know, you can be effective because there are so many people on the ground. There's over 10,000 plus activists on the ground in New Hampshire and they're really making a difference. Now, I've got to pop out, but before I do, I want to sweeten the deal on the fundraiser. And so a lot of people don't know this,

Starting point is 02:15:11 but the Art of Liberty Foundation, we sell more voluntarious books than anybody else. We sell more of Lark and Row. The only outlet that sells more Lark and Rose than us is Amazon.com. And so we've got something called an everything bundle. And I want to offer one now to anybody that makes a $250 donation to the fundraiser. And what you're going to get is you're going to get a copy of my book, Government, the biggest scam in history. It's the bestselling book at two dozen plus Liberty Conference and Events. We've sold copies to 25 countries.

Starting point is 02:15:47 This is actually a high resolution hardcover edition. It's a special printing process. It makes the visualizations and the memes really pop. I'm going to give you a free copy. of you're going to get a copy of my new book to see the cages to leave it also high resolution I will sign it I will personalize both to whoever makes the donation and I will ship it to anybody in the United States for free and I'll ship it any place internationally if you pay the postage also a special process will give you the brand new Liberator flash drive 64 gig flash drive

Starting point is 02:16:24 with a lot of stuff being censored off the internet the best involuntary's thought where you're going to get what anarchy isn't, which is a little pamphlet by Lark and Rose. You're going to get the most dangerous superstition by Lark and Rose. You're going to get anarchy exposed, which is Lark and Rose and Shepard the Voluntarius, which is a police officer that left policing and then wrote an expose for other police officers about why volunteerism and anarchy is the way to go. You're going to get sedition, subversion, and sabotage by the bad Quaker, a three-part state, and you're going to get three friends free, which is volunteerism for kids by Anna Pichanta.

Starting point is 02:17:12 And so we call it an everything bundle. And the first person that donates $250 and specifically requests it, I will personalize it. And like I said, I'll send it, you know, I'll cover the postage to any place in the United States. internationally if you pay for the additional postage. And again, I just wanted to thank Derek and Ryan for everything that you guys do. We're there syndicating your work. We're trying to help. We're trying to put our shoulder against the door as well.

Starting point is 02:17:42 Thank you to everybody else that participated. It was great to get to see so many old friends and get to make some new ones. And thank you for having me. It has been a pleasure. Thank you, brother. And it's very generous of you. Appreciate that. I'm sure they'll benefit greatly from all that all that work.

Starting point is 02:17:57 So thank you. Yeah, yeah. Thank you, guys. I think we got another comment, right, brother? You want to add something? But I'll go and say comment here. And then I want to bring in Indy News who's been here. All right.

Starting point is 02:18:09 Yeah, I'm going to have to exit and build my lunch and do some podcasting stuff. I just wanted to add what, Ryan, what you were saying was important. The sciops. I found, I think, another example recently where all of a sudden the algorithm pushed among all media the tax revolt. Who doesn't want to pay taxes to the IRS? But it's kind of too obvious because you go back, talking about the tech native century,

Starting point is 02:18:33 Robert Heinleyn wrote in the 1940s that in a social credit economy, you don't need an income tax. So it's kind of like they're getting us always to buy into our advance this slavery, so I just wanted to throw that out. Greg, I'd love to have you on some point at geopolitics

Starting point is 02:18:51 and empire. Do Siberia, especially if you don't have kids. I lived in Mongolia and Kazakhstan. I lived in a yurt in the gobi and minus 30, minus 40 degrees. Yeah. I love it. You want to talk about Siberia? I'll talk about Serbia.

Starting point is 02:19:04 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So that and I guess on Mexico, Derek, you know, you know that I think I agree with your assessment that there's really no in between urban or rural. As you know, I've been banging on about six years, the algorithm ghetto, and it literally came to my house, to my home. my gated community, they installed biometric exit and entry. And I push back and I got a physical tag so I don't have to submit yet.

Starting point is 02:19:32 And they didn't get enough signatures to make the homeowners rule to do the digital apps. So I'm good for now. But yeah, there's really little choice there. And I'll throw in as well. You guys can decide Ryan and Derek three because it's your 33 is your number, right? Derek, I'll throw in three free geopolitics and empire substack, pay subscribers. and you guys can kind of decide where if you want to add that on just give me an email the the person who donates their email and I'll add them for a year and so and on Mexico I think they

Starting point is 02:20:05 will do eventually just going back to that point they're going to approach every region differently so they took out Maduro they're going to pay off the Greenlanders because Europe is not the third world right we can't bomb the Europeans but we can bomb the third world and I think for Mexico, Shinebaum is a globalist, implementing digital biometrics, but they will probably just push Mexico to clean up the cartels, and maybe we'll see some strikes. And if I get kidnapped, well, it was nice knowing y'all. Yeah, nothing else to say. Keep up the great work, guys, and send these folks money. So. Thank you, brother. Appreciate it. Somebody's probably already cutting up the clip where he said 33 is my favorite number. Yeah, right, right.

Starting point is 02:20:51 I'll tell you, 33 is my favorite number. I got to jump off too really quick, but 33 is a great number. It's one-third. I use it in editing all the time. It's actually the Jesus number. I can't remember his name. Decoding Your Reality. I hired him to do my thing, and 33 and 7 was my number.

Starting point is 02:21:08 Be proud of 33. We're all Freemasons now. What I want to say on that note, I guess, is that, you know, when I first started doing this, I guess the idea was to convince people. that all the government is is like a private thing like a company you look at as a corporation and they're offering you a habitat just like the gentleman was talking about these cities being built they were offering you that they were offering you the civilization that's what so you know but if you look at history it's always like you know the cost is you have to you have to pay for

Starting point is 02:21:39 it with your physical labor you know slave for it and stuff like that if you choose if you accept that offer but the now that we live through COVID I've realized that that um a lot of people know that. They know it. And whether they admit it or not, they know it. And they're like, yeah. And that's why we're here because it's a good deal, you know. And so many people are cool with that.

Starting point is 02:22:04 It was shocking to me. I guess I was projecting. I was imagining that if people just knew that, that it was a fraud, that they'd be like, oh, fuck this, you know, but it doesn't matter. So what matters is that we choose. So far, someone was just talking about taxes. I've chosen to never file income tax, and they never bother me. And in fact, I was married one twice, and my second wife filed for me.

Starting point is 02:22:29 I told her, don't, don't. And she did it anyways. And they went after her. But they don't ever call me. They don't ever email me. They don't ever bother with me because I never made a deal with him. And at the time, I just thought it's because I don't trust the government. I'm like, well, fuck the government.

Starting point is 02:22:46 And I thought I was irresponsible. I thought it was just like an irresponsible, stupid musician. I was cool with that. As I've gotten older, I'm like, God, thank God I did that. But that's really what it is. We choose, they offer it to us. So far, we might get ice with guns in our faces, but that's, we're getting close. But so far, it's not like that. So far they say, hey, would you like to do this? And we say yes. And I think they're going to do that all the way through the end. And the flip side to that is you can opt out. And I, this is so solid, in my opinion, from my observation, I think it's almost like a rule that has to be abided by

Starting point is 02:23:19 in this place. I don't know. You can trick people all you want. That's the free market, really. The free market is, I mean, everyone here is basically selling their opinions and their ideas and their beliefs. And some people are making a living doing it. And we can choose the people that we want to listen to. And if you want to choose, for example, Derek and Ryan, if you appreciate their work and you want to choose their work, then the most solid way to get their work is to help them, is to help them in any way that you can to give back so that there is this reciprocal, spiritual relationship. Because really, I think, in my opinion, that's what I'm interested in. I'm interested in trying to manage the earth. I'll leave that up to these Yahoo clowns. Have fun.

Starting point is 02:23:59 That doesn't sound like fun to me. I'm here to try to grow and try to evolve and try to hopefully accomplish the things that my creator wanted me to accomplish in this lifetime. I want to get at least a passing grade in that sense. And so that's, to me, the external, world is just a matter of trying to manage, manage my life so that I can always be able to follow my heart. That's the most important thing in my opinion is that we're all free enough to be able to follow our heart. And like I said, right when I jumped on the call, we still have this opportunity where we can freely talk and stuff like that. And hopefully we'll always have this. But for now, I wish everyone to all the best. And I hope that everyone listening, if you haven't

Starting point is 02:24:45 already give to Derek and Ryan and thank you Derek and Ryan for thinking of me. Thank you brother. I was actually trying to think of people are giving stuff away and I'm like you know I was starting to feel like on the spinal like what can I am looking around like what do I and I really don't have anything other than my junk so there's got to be there's got to be an old Greg Reese microphone you're not right right right. Right. I do actually I do egg now that you mention it now you all right I'm see I brought it up for a reason I guess I have a microphone that is sitting in a drawer and I bought

Starting point is 02:25:15 it in Russia. I bought it in a Moscow music store, which I think makes it kind of cool. But I have other things I bought there, so I'm fine with partying with it. It is a good Mike. I got it for, I did a man on the street in Russia, and I normally don't do that. And I thought it was great. And the man on the street, I talked to a bunch of people. I had a translator with me, because I don't speak the language. I talked to a bunch of people, young, old, men, women, and they all basically had the exact same answer. I asked them if you could talk to Americans, what would you say? And they all said the same thing in their own way.

Starting point is 02:25:47 They all said, why don't you understand how important family is? Why don't you understand how important it is to reproduce and have children and to look after your family and to form like communities around family and family, family, family, family. And I don't have a family in my own, but I grew up in a very safe family, which is a very rare, extraordinary gift to have on planet Earth is to grow up in a safe family. And in my opinion, it felt safe. And it was in the love of my mother, a blessing. I mean, so many great things.

Starting point is 02:26:19 To me, these are the most important things that a human could ask for is family. And so anyways, blah, blah, blah. So that's everyone's answer. And one of the reasons that's, well, that's the reason I love Russia is the people. The people, I think my, and this is based on several Russians I've talked to you because I asked a lot of Russians. I said, why is it that you guys are so, like, united and cool, instead of fighting each other? Because I came there from America where I was just so tired to see, like, half of America hating on the other half of America, stupid, retarded stuff.

Starting point is 02:26:57 And their answer was always the same. Their answer was like, well, we learned, you know, back, you know, usually the story is the Holdenmore. Usually the story is, well, you know, tens of millions of Russians were killed by their government, and we learned, you know. And sad to say, I think, well, they say 17 million were killed by the shot and we haven't learned yet. So we'll see.

Starting point is 02:27:18 But anyways, that's with a microphone. The story of the microphone is I got it to do a man on the street. And I think I've only used it once. I don't think I've ever used it again. I used it that one time. I needed something I could hold up like this and be like, I'm a reporter. I'm sure somebody would love that, dude. Yeah, if anyone, I mean, what should I do?

Starting point is 02:27:37 What's the deal? I don't know what I'm doing. I guess I ship that to someone who gives a certain... We'll get in touch with you. We'll figure it out. But Ryan's giving away one of his mics signed microphone to the person who donates 500. If you want to sign it, maybe we'll do something similar. And just whoever donates do put in a request.

Starting point is 02:27:54 I'll just mention we're about 12,000. Anonymous, 250. Thank you for all your hard work. I love the volunteers package. Scott Star, old friend from 9-11 Truth Days back in New York. Just gave 200. You are both excellent and all that you do. Lots of good comments. So thank you everybody who's supporting. Thank you, Greg, for contributing to.

Starting point is 02:28:13 And you get Greg's Russian microphone. What a fantastic benefit. No, thank you, brother. Really, really appreciate that. Seriously, that mic's got some love on it, man. It's really does. It's got the love of dozens of Russians talking to America, and it's got my love for rush on it. So, yeah. Ryan, you wanted to introduce Andy before we go to the next topic. Well, yeah, Greg, you're saying by. So thanks for joining it, brother. Appreciate it, man. Thank you. Yeah, Indy, jump on you, brother. Let us know. Just introduce yourself.

Starting point is 02:28:39 Talk about your work. Oh, sure. Again, thank you so much just for the invite and honored to be able to be on this panel. I've been watching in the chat. And that's really how I started out. I was a fan kind of in 2020 and the mold, everything broke for me. You know, believing in the system and in the duopoly. And then all of a sudden realizing, holy crap, they're not there for us.

Starting point is 02:29:06 And they're there for all them. And who was there? Independent media was there. I started amplifying independent media. And that's what I started doing. And our paths kind of crossed in that way because of the topics that we were looking at, the things that we were questioning. And I started building aggregator sites.

Starting point is 02:29:24 And now we have anynewsnow.com. And it aggregates basically everybody's content here on top of about 100 others. And I'm dedicated to making sure that we exit and build from the platforms. okay my my cause is to exit and build and make sure that we separate our money from the platforms and that you know the the the youtubes and the rumbles that have their hands in our pockets and are taking a massive percentage i i love the the people that do that do support through those platforms but if you could do it through the ones that don't take such a large percentage from the creators as tough as it is for creators to make things work in this world, it really makes a massive difference.

Starting point is 02:30:09 So that's one of the soapboxes that I've been on lately. I've been lucky and fortunate enough to be able to interview Matt Wineglass over at the homeless left, as well as Ryan and T-Lav and a couple other panelists here. And again, it's so important that we have uncorrupted, independent, ad-free voices that are telling the story and bringing their own perspective from across the world. I think it's so important to talk to people that are in the location. So for example, what's going on in Minnesota right now? We luckily have somebody in our extended family that lives in that area. So to get the story from somebody on the ground right now versus listening to how they're spinning it out in corporate media is so

Starting point is 02:30:57 valuable. And corporate media doesn't necessarily want to listen to that, but independent media does. And that's why I think it's so important to support channels like Last American Vagabond that has been there breaking through the wall for more than a decade. That's been sued because of what they're saying. That's been censored. That's been shadow banned. And that happens to all of us. But it really happened to these guys first, to Corbett that was deplatformed. And Derek talked earlier about some of the other channels that aren't here anymore, unfortunately, how Charlie was able to re-repeach.

Starting point is 02:31:32 birth the activist post, which had been kind of defunct for a while and bring that back. And let's reclaim some of those names and reclaim some of those properties that had such value then. And I see what's happening to Zoe. And I feel awful. And I wish I could do even more to help her. She's being debanked. And she's unable to publish.

Starting point is 02:31:53 And she talked about some of her struggles earlier. And I've been trying to help her with developers and websites and anything we can do to help get the word out there and anything anybody can do, share, talk about what's going on out there and talk about independent media and how just brainwashing corporate media is. I think that it's really important. And Ryan talks about the two-party illusion, the duopoly illusion. We've been anti-duopoly for years and really believe in it and try really hard not to cover their issues and on their timeline. Yeah. So again, I just want to say thank you for inviting. us for inviting me support independent media that's those are the the properties i and n n n

Starting point is 02:32:37 news network is what i started years ago and thank you ryan for showing the website and thanks derrick for all you're doing too i remember when you when you sent us the award everything you know you're doing good work man so you keep it up and i think that this is you know this the growth of this like you're talking about from how you started it this is what it's all about you know so thank you i really appreciate that i want to introduce dennis kucinich who has limited time today so i really honored you joined us hey brother we've been doing a podcast called Fine Print on BitShoot with Jeffrey Warnick and Bruce Fine and just really come to greatly respect his work and his opinion. So thanks for joining.

Starting point is 02:33:11 Ryan, back at you and thank you for the work that you and everyone who's on this call involved in independent media, courageous to stand up for the truth of as we know it and what we see. The Latin American vagabond is. is to be celebrated for its role. And Ryan, I can't thank you enough for your willingness to speak out forthrightly and without equivocation at a time when we're being presented with alternative realities constantly

Starting point is 02:33:48 and being asked to indulge and participate in them and being told not to believe our own eyes and not to believe our ears. And this duality that is, characteristic of our time that's promoted by legacy media has put people in a position that they just don't know what's going on and they don't know who to believe, but independent media gives them something to anchor their thinking in and something that is unvarnished. I'm glad to hear about how you're relying on people on the ground, people who are well.

Starting point is 02:34:31 things are happening to be able to get a report. And certainly Minnesota's in all of our minds. I just published a piece on the Kucinich report on Substack about it and from the standpoint of the constitutional issues that are at stake. And that's the podcast that Ryan and I are involved in almost once a week about the deeper constitutional issues that we're facing in America. So it's great to join you and to say hi to everyone. And Ryan, thank you so much for giving me an opportunity to say alone and encourage everyone. If we're going to save America, it's because of people who are on this call and people who have the intention to challenge the status quo and not take anything for granted. So thanks again.

Starting point is 02:35:27 Thank you, Dennis. honored to have you here. I don't know how much time you have if you want to stick around for a minute. If you have limited time, feel free to drop off whenever. But if you want to, you know, talk about something, Minnesota or anything else, anything you want to get into? I wanted to pull up something real quick, Ryan, for Dennis. Mr. Kucinich, it's good to see you again. We haven't seen each other in years. Ryan, I put a link in the chat. This is an interview just to kind of throw some memories back. I interviewed Dennis in Aspen, Colorado at the Nexus Earth Conference in 2017 and talking about Standing Rock at the time, talking about, you know,

Starting point is 02:36:00 nuclear weapons, government corruption. There you go. Both of us looking a little younger there. So that was back in 2017, just as an example of the kind of the length of time that myself, I've been in the independent media, but also working with Ryan and, of course, Mr. Kucinich yourself being a voice of reason amongst insanity in the two-party system. So really appreciate you being here. And if you do have a minute to stick around, I was going to bring up another topic of that. I've reported exclusively on Last America Vagabond. I'd love to get any comments here from anybody who wants to contribute. As I was saying earlier, the stories we've been covering, the UN whistleblower who just came

Starting point is 02:36:35 to me the last couple days, going to the fluoride trial, I was one of the only people there. These are works, articles and reports that I've done exclusively on the Last American Bagabond.com because of the support of everybody who supports us financially. I also wanted to mention, Ryan, if you could pull up the Bethany Christian Services series. So in 20, I want to say 2024, I had a couple of people, women reach out to me about this organization called Bethany Christian Services, which is an adoption agency. And I'd known a little bit about adoption agency and how those, you know, that industry could be corrupted.

Starting point is 02:37:09 I've researched, of course, human trafficking in other areas and foster homes and other arenas. But I hadn't looked into the adoption industry specifically. And these different women came to me and they started to share private communications. they start to share their whole history of being on different sides of the adoption story. One are young women who maybe get mixed up into drugs or have a bad home life and they end up having a baby at a young age. This whole industry is built up around them to essentially just swarm them, not inform them of their rights and tell them like, look, if you don't want your baby, you can give it up to us, we'll take care of it. You can visit it every week.

Starting point is 02:37:45 And they sell them this whole picture of an adoption that is, you know, they're going to be connected to the baby. They're going to watch it grow up from a distance and things like that. And the short version is basically it's all lies. And this entire industry, there's so many companies, Bethany Christian Services, just one of them that these mothers and these parents reached out to me and start to share their adoption records and their history and showing communications with the adopted parents. And of course, the children are often very traumatized from the whole experience.

Starting point is 02:38:14 My point here is that this is just another type of story that the Last American Vagabond that I've written exclusively through, this because people trust us, because people reach out and say, I want you to help me bring this story to the light. I don't know anybody else in the independent media who will give this the time where the credit it deserves. And it ends up becoming this series of articles investigating this industry. This is just one example of that. But I'm curious if anybody here or Dennis, even in your role within the political system, if you'd ever come across anything relating to the adoption industry and any sort of efforts to try to, I guess, make it more accountable and more responsible to these

Starting point is 02:38:48 these parents. I've come across issues that relate to trafficking, and God knows the potential for what you just described being involved in something like that. But thank you for exposing it. I wish I could stay on this entire call, but I can't. I love to speak to each and every one of you. Ryan, feel free to give my contact information out to anybody who was on this call. And I look forward to working with you and every one of you on the things that you care about and on the things that the country cares about as well. So Ryan, thank you for the invitation and I look forward to being part of this process. Thank you. Thank you, Dennis. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, anybody else have thoughts on the adoption industry? If not, I was going to go to one

Starting point is 02:39:43 more extreme of some of the stories we reported on, which I think could be a, you know, a potential I know Desi has issues. She wanted to talk about Greg's comment earlier. I know you had some wherever you want to take it. Anybody, feel free to jump in. I want to tackle that adoption angle first quickly because the trafficking in the adoption centers, they definitely go hand in hand. There's currently, like as we're speaking, people are looking into a very similar one to the Bethany one with TPSA and Liberty University. That has had very similar reports from the women of coercion and all sorts of horrible things of their babies. But from my knowledge of it,

Starting point is 02:40:22 which I do particularly take an interest in what happens to children. So the adoption scandals, the biggest one that I've looked into at all, and it concerns the United States just so happens to include Guatemala, was the 80s and 90s, which was like my, that's my era, I was born in 91. So they had, I think, 30,000 stolen children from these adoption agencies that were set up,

Starting point is 02:40:44 essentially with the help of USAID, back in Guatemala to funnel 30,000 children that, you know, the parents were told the baby died or they didn't make it or, you know, it was a legitimate adoption. And there's just now been a large wave in the last few years here in the United States of people that came from that system that have been able to retrace their families. And it's been enlightening. And I think it's really opening the door for people to investigate these kind of things because for a long time, adoptions was kind of, off the seat. Now we have digitalization and everything. It's much more easy to track these things down.

Starting point is 02:41:22 But it's what the thing I've noticed is just it's clear that it's still a massive trafficking operation by and large. It doesn't matter if it's a Christian center or Catholic center. They seem to all have this kind of underlying agenda. Yeah. Just one of the point on that real quick, sorry.

Starting point is 02:41:38 I want to just stress this comment because this is something I heard a lot when I was writing the story. It's over on YouTube on one of our channels. And again, not to get derailed into a whole debate where we probably don't all agree on it. But the comment is, but adoption is always better than abortion, isn't it? And I know some people would say yes, but I can also say that just based on, not my personal opinion, but some of the sources I spoke to, some of the women, even though they were not very pro-abortion, felt like it maybe have been better if they had, because they,

Starting point is 02:42:05 if they had had an abortion because their child's life ended up so traumatized because of the lies they were sold by the adoption industry. And that's the whole thing is there is this entire veneer around it that people that most of us have been sold growing up that and there's people who are wealthy sometimes these are wealthy wealthy light-skinned white folk who go into some porn country and they're sold one story and it literally is trafficking. There is actually a huge scandal unfolding in Korea that I kind of touched on in my my investigation where Korea actually just South Korea just had a truth and reconciliation commission I think all about the adoption industry because post the Korean War, there was a shitload of Korean adoptees, you know, kids who were abandoned,

Starting point is 02:42:47 their parents have been killed, and that created this massive industry of adoption where, you know, kids came to America, Canada, et cetera, and many of them now have learned that basically their families are still alive or that they were kidnapped or just all these kind of messed up circumstances. So it's not this pretty picture that people have been sold, that, you know, baby's going to be left on the street or it's going to be aborted. So the adoption home is always going to be the better option. There's many, many examples where I think it'd be hard to argue that that's a better option. And again, not to get into an abortion debate, but I just wanted to address that comment.

Starting point is 02:43:17 It's a very personal thing. You know, everyone's got different opinions. But the point to be made is that clearly, if you look at the, like, very real, provable parts of like the darkest side of that story, it goes, you know, there's death involved as well. You know, there's a point you made about where that really can go. And it's a horrifying conversation. But what I want to point out is interesting around these groups. And first and foremost, it's important. to consider, especially from the government perspective, that there is involvement. And there's been many

Starting point is 02:43:43 provable cases of people in these companies or in the government in child protective services being involved in this horrible, you know, in trafficking. That's a provable reality. That's not to say that it's every time or all of, any or every company. So I think it's worth considering as well that, you know, these people gravitate towards these positions. It doesn't have to immediately mean the company itself or the people who own it or, you know, we should consider those. But it's always important to be objective and just recognize the crime where we can prove it, you know, and in some cases, it goes beyond that. And I think with just, I mean, I remember seeing reports. This goes like a long way from within, I'm speaking from the California perspective, I believe,

Starting point is 02:44:19 because I think that's, there's different names in different states, child protective services within California, but that they were something like, I forget, I don't want to quote the wrong percentage, but a very high percentage of people that are kids that would go through this process would end up in some form of trafficking. And that was coming from their reports. They're not claiming responsibility or saying we did that, but simply saying through this process, you know, dishonest parents or other companies will come in and manipulate, you know, and so, and that's just the core. Then you get into whether there's like a more coordinated,

Starting point is 02:44:46 darker Epstein type story in there. And we know these things exist. So this is such important work. And it's like you're talking about earlier, or rather it was, I think it was Greg, I forget who pointed it out, but being willing to say the hard thing in the moment where it's hardest is what we're all here for, you know? And that's what most people shy away from is waiting for it to be sort of acknowledged to then come out and break the story. But it's about saying the hard thing when it's hard, not when it's easy, you know? So shout it to you, Derek. I'd love to get Matt or anybody else's opinion. Just I know Destiny had more to add, but just on the adoption industry, if any of you guys have thoughts on that.

Starting point is 02:45:18 Jump in any time, guys. I mean, I'll just say this is obviously something that, as Ryan pointed out, it's factual, it's provable. We see it. We can have this ideological discussion about abortion separately, although it's not separate, but it is important to recognize the difference between factual assessment and then where we come from ideologically. And I do think that like when the information is available to people, they need to be able to reassess their stance. And it doesn't mean it takes away from your ideology. It's just we need to be a little more aware of options in this arena. And I think it does come back to. And again, I don't mean to jump over to ideology, but there is something about applying principle to giving all options to mothers, to families, to, you know,

Starting point is 02:46:04 husbands and wives to everybody, that they have every option to work with. And then they can assess these circumstances when they're making these hard choices. And that's why I think, you know, being consistent with that principle is something to point out. And I also would say this, when you get caught in an ideological debate with somebody who was trying to apply some, you know, other ideology of religion and try to say, hey, we have to say no to abortion all around, no matter what, then you look at the landscape from that point of view. you see that you don't, you don't see anybody in that arena championing, improving societal conditions, improving the ability to elevate families who are struggling.

Starting point is 02:46:45 You don't see, you don't see consistency with their war agendas and that it's okay that, you know, kids are getting murdered and destroyed and blown up in Palestine, but it's, you know, but we care about lives, no matter what, innocent lives of children. And so I just think those are things to always think about when you get caught into these debates. And I'm not saying this isn't the place to have that particular debate, but just to keep, be aware of that. So we should always want to have this information and we should always be open to critical thinking when we see these, this, this, the child sex trafficking, this idea that the CPS is involved with this. This should alarm everyone. It doesn't matter what church you belong to or where your, your starting point is.

Starting point is 02:47:28 You should be alarmed about this. and you should want to have this information and get it out to people in an honest way. Yeah, yes, sir. We'll turn to Tim real quick after this, but welcome Carrie Wedler to the show. Honored to have you here. Thanks for joining Carrie. Hi, thanks for inviting me. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:47:44 Go ahead, Tim, if you want to jump in with comments on that, I'd look like you were going to say something. Well, yeah, I was what I heard about Guatemala, and it just made me think of something of a contract that I saw for social media influencers in the region. the U.S. government, the embassy in Guatemala, they put out a program or a contract called Influencer Rapid Response. You know, it's not to do with the, you know, with abortion and things like that, but it made me think of like what kind of influences are going on.

Starting point is 02:48:16 So whatever kind of social media campaigns, what kind of societal, social engineering they're doing. And there's this one thing from just, what was it, September? of last year. They wanted to identify and recruit local content producers and TikTok, bloggers, media personalities to align with U.S. interests and provide training and resources to counter narratives. This was about smuggling and transnational criminal organization or malign actors, as they call them. So I just, when I heard about, yeah, Guatemala and things, and it just made me think about the kind of influence campaigns that are going on and that a lot of

Starting point is 02:48:55 people on social media, you know, influencers, a lot of them are getting paid. And a lot of them are getting paid through the governments and not just ours like from all over the world. But I just wanted to add in with that. I think it's, I mean, it's my opinion entirely. But whether it's bots or that, I think that's most of what's happening today. And I don't mean to say, that's people that don't even realize that they're compromised or don't realize what's driving them or what's nudging them. And it's just, you know, that's, you got a lot of these newer creators that pop up that, you know, that are out of nowhere. And I'm not, I don't. think all of them are like fully aware that they're being used. It's a really weird dynamic,

Starting point is 02:49:29 but we should, not that that alleviates them from responsibility, but it's a very, I mean, the $7,000 is real point. I mean, you're right, it's everywhere. Our government, what you just said to align with U.S. interest. So it's like we're paying you to make sure you say these things, but then not framing it as we're controlling what you have to say. It's just, it's like Rubio saying, we're not controlling Venezuela. We're just controlling their policy. It's like, the people are just, you know, Ryan, we don't need $7,000 checks because we've raised $12,500 dollars from I think more than 100 people now at this point who are supporting TLAV and the conscious resistance.

Starting point is 02:49:59 Just want to shout out a couple people real quick before we get to some more topics here. Anonymous, $100. Love you guys and gave us a video about wisdom for our gardens. Cody Reed says he wants to meet with you, Ryan. Laura Hedrick, 50 bucks. Thanks for all the work you guys do. Lisa, thank you for all your work and staying with it despite all they throw at you. Joseph Zinner.

Starting point is 02:50:20 That's a friend from back in Houston. What's up, brother? Keep up the great work. Excellent work. So lots of good comments coming in. Again, thank you to everybody who has been contributing to this TLAV and conscious resistance fundraiser. We're almost three hours in. And I think it's about 6 a.m. in Japan. So James Corbett might be showing up at some point soon to join us. So we'll be happy for that. I did want to bring up just another example of the type of investigations, the type of things that I've been able to do working with Ryan over the last five and a half years and get opinions from everybody here because I think we'll have, again, diverse thoughts on this. As I mentioned with the last story, So the adoption story, that started with mothers reaching out to me and saying, here's my story, here's what I've dealt with. This is Bethany Christian Services, handing me paperwork, proving to me what they were claiming. Another story that started in this way, it was kind of related to a bigger investigation that I did.

Starting point is 02:51:10 So I'm going to mention one of them, and then we'll talk about the one that led to people sending Ryan and I, VHS tapes, of things that they have recorded on TV in like the 80s and 90s and basically wanting us to report on it. So one of them was that in 2022, the Utah Sheriff's Department, they announced an investigation into what they called, this is not our words, ritualized child sex abuse. And that obviously was like a headline that it actually didn't make many headlines. It was reported in Utah. I actually heard about it from Jason Burmiss, who was here earlier. And Burmiss sort of did an initial report on it and then kind of moved on. And I started to look into it and I realized this was more than just, you know, it's going to deserve more than just one video and be done with it.

Starting point is 02:51:52 And I won't get into the whole thing here because I've written probably a dozen articles on it now over the last 13 years. Short version, this man named David Hamblin, therapist, was accused in numerous court documents by more than a dozen witnesses, a dozen alleged victims. And I say alleged because it never went to court, unfortunately, including his own daughters of abusing him as part of a cult in Utah that involved people who are all part of the Mormon church in Utah, which is very powerful, political and obviously religious force in that state. and around the United States. And so this case had come back up out of nowhere, 2022. The Utah sheriff said they got enough evidence to announce the investigation and then to arrest David Hamblin. And unfortunately, over two years of back and forth, all charges were dismissed.

Starting point is 02:52:38 And a bunch of Tom Fullery happened, I detail it in all these articles. So when I started to report on that, though, a lot of people in Utah reached out to me and said, hey, I'm Mormon. I'm involved in the church where I saw this. And it turned into a whole series of articles. Ryan, the one I'm thinking about is called the Mormon Church and Child Sexual Abuse. It was like the fourth or fifth one because, as I said, it started with this investigation about David Hamlin. Then I started to investigate that the fact that Utah is probably, besides maybe Florida,

Starting point is 02:53:05 one of the states that has the most wild and extensive history of child abuse and sex cults and things like that, and a lot of it does relate to the Mormon church. We won't have time here to get into all of it, but I definitely encourage people to check that out because this is just another area when you start to look into it. heavily documented. So as I'm reporting this, I'm getting information sent to me from all kinds of people, Mormons, ex-Mormons, about the things that they witnessed. And it starts to get into this area of research that many of us hear about, but claims of Satanism. And even in the case of David Hamlin, some of the young girls who wrote, I mean, I'm talking about 300-page victim statements, not like, oh, he took me to his house and abused me one time, but detailed statements of the names and the people and where they

Starting point is 02:53:48 lived in which houses they took them to. And some of these police reports, some of these witness statements in their own words say that they were raped while the men were doing a prayer to Lucifer. They were raped while they took off the skin of a dead person and wore it while they were doing the raping, like very, very disturbing, detailed stuff. And so this led to an investigation that we called Justice Delayed, which was an investigation into the head of the Mormon church, or the former head of the Mormon church, Gordon B. Hinkley, and one of his officials in the church, a man named Walton Hunter. Actually, his daughter reached out to me, and she became the source for this three-part investigation that we did. And I think we were able to conclusively provide, at least I can't

Starting point is 02:54:33 say prove, because it's not a court of law, but provide more evidence and give his daughter, as well as some of the things that she claimed and corroborate them. And her story of being abused by her own father and being abused by different people in the Mormon church and and people who unfortunately are not are not here to you know be held accountable um and so there's that angle and i'd love any thoughts on that but then the other one i wanted to bring up the last one ryan which was the what i mentioned about the tape so in the justice delayed investigation with walton hunter that did involve tapes being sent to me and it was there's this old documentary about the Mormon church that only got played one time on TV or something and it disappeared. And the only reason you can find it on the internet now is because

Starting point is 02:55:14 somebody sent it to us in a VHS form. Brian digitized it and then it turned into part of my article series. And so we started getting sent different tapes. And one of them was from this journalist in Oklahoma on NBC Channel 4. His name was Brad Edward, I believe. And he used to do a segment every week called, sorry, I'm trying to pull it up in front of me. I can't remember the name of the weekly segment, but this one week he called it, Are the Children Lying? And he does this whole report about your corner. Satanic abuse. Yeah, your corner. So he did like, you know, the weekly kind of local news back when journalism was actually journalism on local news. This was in the 1980s. We don't know the exact date, but somebody sent us the tape. And so we were able to take that tape, put it on the internet

Starting point is 02:55:56 for probably the first time ever, put that documentary of the Mormon church leader in the accusations. And I don't mean just random people making accusations. I mean, this is a very well done documentary from back in the 80s that it made waves when it first came out, but this was before the internet. So it hadn't really been brought into the internet age. And all of this is coming just from people trusting me, trusting Ryan, trusting our ability to communicate these stories, being able to develop sources like that and try to give them a voice is what really drives me to do independent media. So I just wanted to share that.

Starting point is 02:56:25 And I'd love comments on any of those topics if you guys have veered off into the claims of Satanism and things like that or just ritual abuse on the broader sense. And also just, you know, this is an example of. of the kind of independent work, the investigations we've done over the last five and a half years, based on things that people have sent to us directly. Derek, I have a question about this because we were looking into some of this, the history of Mormonism and trying to place that, I think it was Professor Jang that started off our interest in this on our show.

Starting point is 02:56:55 And my colleague co-host, Jay Scott, he's been doing some excellent work on this. Just trying to get to the bottom of the origins of this seems to be, in the realm of the Freemasons and the idea that this setting up this new, this new, I guess you can call this religion, this cult, whatever, in that particular time frame, late 1800s, which ended up primarily existing in the Utah area. We see this very similar, you know, approach to this satanic worship and they focus on bringing in the children. And it seems that this Freemason, I would say a launching point also is where we're seeing the Zionist launching point in the exact same time frame. Is that something you have come across as far as the chronological order of how this has the roots of this thing?

Starting point is 02:57:49 Are you seeing the same stuff as far as the Freemasons connection to Mormonism and the satanic elements going on here? There's definitely a huge Freemason Mormon connection. And again, that's not, you know, obviously all kinds of opinions on the masons. I believe there are at least one piece of not every single Mason, of course, just like not every single Jew and all that sort of thing. But absolutely, are there masons who have been high level in masonry and then high level in politics and elsewhere and in religion? Absolutely. And Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, was of master mason himself. And there's, I mean, there's, I just covered this like for a slight bit.

Starting point is 02:58:24 But once you dive into this world, you find that there's actually a whole subculture on YouTube for, example, I want to shout out Relentless Hope. You can check out her channel. There's a whole subculture, and it's kind of in the true crime area of current and ex-Mormons who are deeply into this investigation, because a lot of people enter that religion and end up deeply traumatized or abused. That's what I was saying. As soon as I started to report on it, just the amount of people who started to reach out and share their stories was really astounding. And so they have extensive research showing this. And yeah, there's a lot of rituals apparently within Mormonism that are identical to Mason rituals,

Starting point is 02:59:00 and there's just a lot of overlap there, definitely since the beginning. And then also, I was kind of, we both alluded to the fact that the Mormons are very powerful, and just as an example of that, Mormons are actually, there's a lot of people worry about Bill Gates buying up all the land. That is true.

Starting point is 02:59:16 He was doing that, but the Mormons actually own the majority of the U.S. land that's not privately held, as far as one institution goes. Also, in the case I was describing of therapist David Hampton, In the police files, there's another accusation against the man named David Levitt, who at the time was the Utah County attorney. He since resigned and now he's like renovating a castle in Scotland.

Starting point is 02:59:41 And I think essentially he got away with human trafficking because he's accused in some really disturbing things that we cover in these reports. But his father was Dixie Levitt, who was the head of the Levitt Insurance Company. His brother, I can't remember his brother's name at the moment. There he is right there on the screen. his brother's the former governor of Utah. Like these are the Levitt family deeply connected to the Mormon church, deeply connected to Utah politics, and there's some mafia connections as well.

Starting point is 03:00:04 I mean, the Mormons as a church are a huge player. I'm not saying they're the top of the pyramid or anything like that, but they're definitely more than just some weird, kooky church that people might kind of deem them as. And so there are those Freemason connections and Zionist connections as well. It's a huge rabbit hole, man. Yeah. We hope to be doing some more work on this, and I appreciate you providing this.

Starting point is 03:00:29 We're going to look more into that as well. So, yeah, we appreciate the point about the comment you made about that. And I'll throw to Kerry, I want to make sure to give us some time here since she, the new addition to the conversation today. But the interesting point you make about Zionism. I mean, it's funny because right now, because it's clearly a central point, because it's clearly, like, I'll argue more than anywhere else propaganda around this to make you not look at how obvious the connection is and not even to get into the old,

Starting point is 03:00:55 whole topic about the misrepresentation, making it about racism and so on. But what's interesting is it might not be surprised to find out that there is a very clear connection. And here's just some of the random articles I've covered, Jewish journal are Mormon Zionist. And you won't be surprised by the argument or just this, the complicated relationship between Mormons and Jews and the conversation that Latter-day Saints patterned themselves after biblical Israel. And what you'll find today is a very clear conversation from leading Zionist entities that Mormonism

Starting point is 03:01:23 is a sister entity to what they're doing. Now, that's not to say anything other than there could be deeper connection within it. And my work has gone deeper into that if you want to get into it in the show and past conversations I've had. But what I find interesting is the history around it and how it is, you know, I mean, you can go back to the reality. And it's a horrible movie's made about it about the way Mormons were slaughtering Christians, about the way Mormons were literally dressing up like Native Americans and slaughtering people and blaming it on Native Americans that were then slaughtered because of their actions. And that's not every Mormon. It's not every, you know, but the point is important in the context of what,

Starting point is 03:01:55 we're discussing around what Zionism is doing and how this does tie in. And it's interesting that doesn't get as much attention in the vein of what Derek said about buying land. It's just worth considering that there is a bigger story there and that at the very least there are some connections and anything, in my opinion, that Zionism is supporting is something we should look closer at. That's my personal opinion. But I'll throw to you, Carrie, for wherever you want to go or comments on that. How are you? Hi, good. How are you guys? Good. I feel like I actually joined it a great time to express the sentiment that I want to share. So I came on when you guys started talking about satanic ritual abuse. It's like very heavy stuff. And it's so what I just

Starting point is 03:02:32 wanted to say in support of you guys is that if you're watching this, if you're paying attention to all this stuff, it's heavy. It is hard to be aware of these things. It is really hard to have a perspective outside the mainstream that's really digging into all the horrific things that go on in this world. And I just want to commend both of you because you have been doing. this for so long with so much consistency. And I have been doing it for as long, but with not as much consistency because of the toll it takes on me. That's a big reason why I'm not as consistent as you guys. I do my best and I'm trying to do more. But I am in awe of people like you who, despite the personal toll, despite a lot of the thanklessness, thanklessness, yeah, around the work

Starting point is 03:03:16 you guys do, you still do it. And I see such a deep passion and drive and commitment and integrity in both of you. And it is not an easy thing to do to keep her principles, to stay consistent, to be so dug into the trenches on this kind of work. So for everyone watching, I speak as someone who has been worn down by the heaviness of this world many times over. And I rest and I come back, but it's like, you guys don't even need the rest. And I am so struck just by the amount of energy you put into this work and you put your whole hearts and souls and minds into it. And I just want to really stress that because it is not an easy thing to do. Again, if you're watching, you know how it is just to be aware of these things, to care about these things. But to make your entire

Starting point is 03:03:56 life's purpose about it is so commendable. It's so impressive. And I cannot express enough how grateful I am for you guys and just how much fortitude it really takes on so many levels to be able to do the work that you guys do for as long as you have. And I appreciate you. Well, I can't express how much that means to me, Carrie. I mean, you've been, you know, you're someone I've looked up to in the past, to this very point. But in the, when I first started anti-media. We mentioned that already on the show, you know, and it's that you've been doing this longer than most people here.

Starting point is 03:04:26 So just that means the world to me. So thank you so much. And I really do hope, you know, that you continue the work and that people tend to support your work because it's outstanding. I mean, some of you put out, I mean, it kills me every time. It's like this is, I play at the beginning of my show every time I see one. Because it would work. Yeah, Carrie, we were given some anti-media love earlier, shouting out everybody to

Starting point is 03:04:46 the anti-media. And for those who don't know, Carrie was the editor at anti-media. you know, been around a long time. And yeah, as Ryan was saying, your work is it reaches people in totally different ways than either Ryan or I do. And that's also what's important about everybody who's popped in today who's doing written investigations or podcasts or quick short clips and remixing other people's articles, aggregating all the different ways that everybody are trying to reach people. So thank you for being here with this, Carrie. Yeah. And since you mentioned anti-media, I want to mention that I worked with you there, Derek. And it's been years since we got

Starting point is 03:05:18 censored. I can say it freely. You were for sure my favorite writer to edit because I could, I could trust you. I knew that you were going to be really diligent about your sourcing. You were easy. I mean, just the written word, you were so clear. So again, more praise because I really enjoyed working with you. And I really appreciate your commitment to like real accuracy, not just pushing narratives, not just reporting what proves what you're trying to say, but really putting an emphasis on giving all the information to people so they can decide for themselves and they can think for themselves. And I think that's so key in the current age. always, but I just wanted to commend you again.

Starting point is 03:05:51 Thank you. I echo that entirely, Derek. 100%. Well, Robert, welcome to the show, brother. Good to have you joining. You guys all know Robert Ryder for The Last American Vagabond. How are you, brother? Good. Thanks for having me. Thanks for having me. Well, since you're here, you know, shout out anything else you want, you know, other work you do, anything else you just recently did or just, you know, wherever you want to go. What's on your mind? No, I just wanted, obviously, to commend the work that you do and the platform that you've set up here. Of course, I work across a whole bunch of different meteor outlets,

Starting point is 03:06:22 and I've always been able to bring precisely what I wanted to TLAV and to actually communicate, all of the authentic points of view that I have. You've never helped me back once. It's been a pleasure of working with you over the years, and I'm happy to be a part of this platform. So I suppose that's what's on my mind right now. We can go on to anything you want to. Thanks for being here, Robert. We haven't actually got to connect before, but I'm always seeing your work on TLAV as well. And you always do a great job of covering, you know, geopolitics in the Middle East, Syria, Israel, of course.

Starting point is 03:07:01 Thanks for all the time you put into those reports. Thank you. Thanks. And thanks for your work as well. I know we haven't actually spoken before. But yeah, I've also sustained your reports over the years. So it's an honor. to be here. Well, I'll tell you that, Robert, I mean, real quick, just on your work. I mean,

Starting point is 03:07:19 it's, it's like, you know, this is what I love about what I do is that I've got to reach out, I've got the opportunity to reach out to people like you and all of you here and be able to, you know, absorb what I can from all the greatness out there here and the entire conversation today. And I'll tell you, Robert, you, your work and your insight on, on Palestine, on it, I mean, every connected topic that we've talked about, you've changed my perspective on so many things. You've evolved my perspective on so many things. Your work, in my opinion, is hands down the best on that topic out there. That's not just because you write for us to say the same when it's posted on mid-press news or anywhere else. So I just shout out to you in that work in general.

Starting point is 03:07:54 And I recommend people check it out because some of the stuff that you put out about what is it going to happen, same for Derek, by the way, or Kerry or, you know, everyone here. The point of things you've covered have come to past six months later, almost identically, not, you know, not every time, but, you know, really well-crafted points about what's likely to happen that end up happening identical to what you said, you know. And as we all know, that rarely gets pointed to in the moment, which goes to the algorithmic point we talked about earlier, but just I wanted to make sure people knew that and to make sure people check out your work.

Starting point is 03:08:21 No, that means a lot. Honestly, that means a lot. And, you know, that's why we do it to try and help shape everyone's point of view, even other people who, like yourself, who understand what's going on. You know, we sort of help each other along as journalists and bring. new information to the table so that we can all sort of make up our own minds about different topics. So, no, that's very important. Yeah, Brian, I want to just give a shout out. We've got, we're about to hit 13,000. We've at 12,000, 688. We've got a few more donations that have been

Starting point is 03:08:58 coming in as we've been discussing these details. And since Roberts joined and, well, look, it's up to 700 already since I said that. Cool. So we've been at it for three hours. I told you I would do this for two hours and I can't believe we're three hours in. So I'm good for, I'm going to go to the top of the hour. So another 45 minutes. Hopefully Corbett shows up here. But we do really think everybody who has already given. We've already, I think, reached the giveaways of Ryan giving away seat packs and survival kits, the signed microphone, one-on-one meetings. I think we gave it away already. The five people who donated 50 bucks are going to get a copy of any of my books you want. So we will be in touch with everybody, but there's still opportunity for you guys to support. Again, we're doing

Starting point is 03:09:37 this. We're bringing together all our friends and colleagues because Ryan wants to continue to do his daily breakdowns. He wants to continue to pay me to write articles. I want to continue to produce documentaries. And that's some of the things we want to do in 2026. I actually want to start making documentaries that would kind of be under a shared brand of the Last American Bagwond of the Conscious Resistance. If you've seen my previous documentary work or what I've been doing with the pyramid of power, you know the quality of not only the writing and the reporting, but the production that we're trying to bring to the table. So if you want to support us, guys, this is the time where we're really asking you for support to come out and help us make this happen.

Starting point is 03:10:12 And I wanted to do a throwback, Ryan, if we could go back to the very first thing I ever did for TLAV five and a half years ago, which I think was kind of cool because this is May 2020, right? COVID's going on. Ryan and I had been talking for a couple months and he asked me if I wanted to start writing and make it a regular gig. And I was, like many of us at that time, paying attention to Bill Gates and paying attention to, you know, starting to ask the questions COVID. This is May.

Starting point is 03:10:35 So still kind of early. Some people weren't yet questioning things, but we were definitely early in asking what was going on and what was Bill Gates's role and looking at event 201 and all that different stuff. And between myself, Ryan and James Corbett and a few other outlets, we launched what we called Exposed Bill Gates Day. Some of you might remember this. It was in like the summer 2020. We actually did a couple of these. And it was based largely on this three part investigation that I did. First off, kind of looking at Gates's whole history of philanthropy, if you can call it that. and just some of the truths behind that and how he hides money and what he and sort of the history of philanthropy itself.

Starting point is 03:11:11 Then we had a second piece. I can't remember that. That was focused on COVID and his roles funding different COVID operations. And the third, probably the most controversial looking at the health surveillance aspect, event 201, looking up what was the other big incident, the Rockefeller one, somebody who remember the name. The study that they did like 10 years before, oh, lockdown or something like that. I can't remember. Lockstep, yeah, that's what it was. And it's been a few years.

Starting point is 03:11:37 And looking at all the ways that Bill Gates fit into this. And so that was the first three things I did for T-Lap. I told Ryan, I was like, I got this idea for a super deep dive on Bill Gates. They're each 2,000 words plus. And then we sort of turned that into an exposed Bill Gates Day. And what was cool was actually, I mean, it wasn't a huge thing. But there was at least a dozen cities across the U.S. that I'm sure if you go search Exposed Bill Gates on Twitter or elsewhere, where you'll find them.

Starting point is 03:12:00 I know that where I was based at the time in Houston, there was a movement of people. And it was just going out, passing out information, asking people questions about, you know, different things related to COVID, of course. And we had a fun time in Houston and people masked up and stay away from us. You guys are psychos and all this sort of fun stuff. But it was a cool, like for me, beginning to like have that opportunity.

Starting point is 03:12:21 Because again, as a writer, and I think the writers who will understand this, especially in the independent media, you know, you're rarely getting paid by the amount of words you write. You know, sometimes as a writer you might get offered pay. That's not usually the case. in the independent media. My first writing gig back in 2012 was 20 bucks an article, whether it was 500 words or 10,000 words, right?

Starting point is 03:12:40 And over time, I've seen that go up and down and up and down, but that's not really what matters. When you feel like you have something to share an idea and investigation, you're going to write until you feel like it's done. And that might be a three-part, 10,000-word essay that only a handful of people are going to read, you know, but it felt important. And I think it was important.

Starting point is 03:12:59 It was part of that overall kind of zeitgeist of people, questioning Bill Gates at that time. And it was really cool to see that it did branch out to some people hitting the streets with signs about Bill Gates. And it wasn't just about this one person, of course. It was more about questioning the COVID narrative. But I just wanted to, yeah, I'm going kind of through a throwback. That's the kind of work that we've been doing since the beginning. And for me, it's cool to see an idea of an investigation translate to people in the real world going to the streets to spread information. And there were quite a bit, as far if I remember correctly, and it kind of took on a life of its own. And there were new other groups that were carrying them out.

Starting point is 03:13:31 you know i think it was a a great a large effect i think despite the fact that he ultimately is still now he's very close to the trump administration which doesn't make much sense but it does if you know the bigger picture but it's still worth calling him out and we just got a uh brian from high impact flicks joining us awesome how do how you doing brian thanks for joining oh good how you guys doing good good we're just talking about uh exposed bill gates day that uh derrick's investigation he spearheaded and it kind of went around uh but we're we're kind of just having a large conversation about any number of things, since your new joining, anything on your mind,

Starting point is 03:14:04 you want to jump in? What's up, Brian? Thanks for being here, brother. Hey, man. Thank you guys for having me. Appreciate all you guys. Thank you for the work you do. Yeah, high impact flicks is, you know, one of the group.

Starting point is 03:14:15 I remember your work was very inspirational to me when I was kind of, you know, coming up in this for the most part. You were doing a lot of, you know, the, you know what it was for me, the most thing, Brian, then we talked about this in interviews over the years. You were one of the very clear standout people out there that was nonpartisan. you know like it was just it was very clearly different everyone's fighting within the partisanship and you're out here going good government's wrong and partisanship stupid and i just it i you know open my mind to those things a lot so appreciate that brother yeah it just seems to me a very

Starting point is 03:14:43 easy thing to do just like if you're a moral person and you're saying you're a moral person then you just stick to your principles it's not really it's not rocket science i don't know how people can betray their own uh you know sense of morality or their own consciousness by going with a Democrat or Republican Party or back in the government in any way. It's just ludicrous to me. I agree. And that's what's so hard about this is that it becomes so, I mean, I argue it's based on facts that we can prove, but it becomes so clear how wrong this path is. And then you daily have to engage with people that you, you know, it's like there's opinions out there that I find hard to take seriously, but a lot of people have them. So it becomes difficult to not be short and

Starting point is 03:15:25 try to engage with people like that. But I'm with you. It's difficult. because some of these things are self-evident, in my opinion, you know, but a lot of people fall for it. I don't know everybody in this room, but I'm pretty sure we have principles and we would never go to our neighbor to steal a cup of sugar, let alone the car out of their garage, but that's exactly what the government does to us on a daily basis. And then to ask another neighbor to do the very thing that you wouldn't do, it just seems, it's just like, it's not just common sense, but it's the line of morality. It goes back to that. Would you ever initiate unjust force and violence on peaceful people who haven't done anything wrong? The answer is, obviously no. Do you think anybody has a higher claim over your life and property than you?

Starting point is 03:16:01 The obvious answer is, well, no. Then why are you voting for a government to take over the property or the, you know, the resources of another person or another country? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I just want to sense. I'd like to chime in on this because this has been kind of the ongoing theme today. And the reason I'm here and just introduced you, if you guys, you're just checking me out with the homeless left as we started this show in this

Starting point is 03:16:26 environment. You guys were sharing the story you on Bill Gates earlier. And I just, I just have to say, like, I think one mistake we might make in this space is because we come in an honest way. We're talking about principle. We're talking about moral compasses. And we think we give credit that other people have these same principles. They just need to have information. So we make this kind of this mistake that if we just give the information, they will also apply those principles. But I don't think, and I think Greg said this earlier today, we're talking. about wanting to learn, wanting to grow, wanting to get better. I don't think everybody wants that. And that's that's that's kind of on them. We can't shake them by the shoulders and make them change

Starting point is 03:17:05 that. What what those people want is they want to be right. They want to win. And I think that's the problem we see with when we battle when we go head to head with Zionists, when we go head to head with COVIDians, when we go head to head with whatever you want to call it, this two-party capture when you talk about Trump derangement syndrome, whatever it is that you're coming from. You want to be right. And so COVID, I think, is really the biggest call out of that. It's the biggest exposure because we have all the data. We have all the information. We know everything about it that people were fooled. But they would rather go down with the ship and not apply these principles because maybe they haven't had it their whole lives and they're not about to change right now when they're

Starting point is 03:17:44 dealing with excess sickness and side effects and people are dropping dead. I mean, let's be, let's talk about this. I'm saying like we know that people, friends, colleagues, family members are getting massive, you know, these, what we call side effects. We can't talk about it with them. They're just getting these rapid cancers. They're getting these horrible, horrible things happening to them. And we're all affected by this.

Starting point is 03:18:09 What can we do? I think we have to just keep applying principle. And maybe when they're ready to do that, they can. But there's only so much we can do in this space. And obviously the people watching and listening and engaging with us feel the same way. So we just have to be louder about it. But I think that that's, unfortunately, we're not going to be able to reach everyone. And I don't mean to be a Debbie down there.

Starting point is 03:18:32 I just think we have to be realist. Because if everybody had these principles, then every one of these moments would be a wake-up, aha moment, whether it's Epstein Files, whether it's, you know, Gaza, whether it's COVID. I mean, whatever it is, it should be enough. But it's not. And so we just have to accept that that not everyone's going to be able to do this. But we can. and the people that we can get out to can. So I'll just say that and leave it with that.

Starting point is 03:18:57 But I do have to jump off right now. I'm going to go on podcast with Garland Nixon here in a bit. And I just want to say good people in this space. Thank you guys so much. Ryan, Derek, everybody. We're going to keep the conversation going on our channel. You guys can find this on Rumble. We do have a new YouTube channel.

Starting point is 03:19:13 The first one got terminated. But the homeless left got terminated. But we're called THL Presents if you guys want to find us on YouTube. So thank you guys so much. And please, guys, donate. to the cause. This is this this tea tea T lab has to continue obviously setting this high bar for us over these last several years it's so important that we that we keep uh keep that's keep that standard and keep applying it and uh be inspired which we are every day thank you guys so much thank you

Starting point is 03:19:38 brother I appreciate you joining and tell garland we said hello as well thank you very definitely just on his point really quickly you know it's uh it's it's an important thing to consider you know that they're not everybody is going to be open to what we have to say and I think we all deal with this. Clearly, we all deal with the frustration of that. But I think we'd all probably likely agree, Matt, as well, that we should continue regardless, right? To try is always important. And to, you know, consider where your energies go and whether it's going to what's going to be more fruitful. But, you know, I think what my, some of my best experiences are most, I guess, rewarding are with the people that were just hell bent on not acknowledging it. And then at some

Starting point is 03:20:19 point have that moment. I'm sure we've all had that. And it's just powerful. You know, where I mean, we all, I'm sure we get those emails like that somebody reached out to me every week. It says, man, if it wasn't for your COVID work, ultimately I wouldn't be alive or my mother wouldn't be here. And some of these people are ones that were calling me, you know, a terrorist when it first started. And it's just, it's a powerful thing to realize, you know. So it's a good point to consider what he said. But, you know, I want to pick up on that point, Ryan, and actually toss it to carry because I know you said you got to leave shortly. But I just real quick on Matt's point, I tend to agree, you know, that we aren't going to wake up everybody.

Starting point is 03:20:53 it's not ultimately our responsibility. Obviously, we all feel a sense of responsibility. What's up, James? We're all here trying to reach people in our different ways. So we might, we feel called to it for some reason or another, but ultimately people are on their own journey. And there's, you know, there's the kind of the theory, I think it comes from the Bible. I can't remember who folks wrote about it, somebody in the libertarian movement, about the idea of the remnant. And the idea is essentially, instead of trying to wake up the masses, you just focus on the remnant, the people who already get it. And so I know that there's some people who are kind of taking that strategy where they're like, okay, I'm going to focus on reaching these people

Starting point is 03:21:24 because they're already in our club, so to speak, and how do I take those people and move to somewhere positive? Instead of banging my head against the wall, trying to wake up the masses, I tend to feel both are important. Obviously, as we've been sharing today, journalism and all this, it's an effort to reach people, to get them to think, and then for me, ultimately,

Starting point is 03:21:42 to get back to the exit and build idea we were talking about earlier. But yeah, Carrie, what do you think about this whole idea of whether people are reachable or how we should approach that? You know, I think there are, a lot of people who actually do share our principles, but because of the mountains of propaganda, they've been sort of diluted out of understanding that the system they support is in direct

Starting point is 03:22:02 violation of those principles. So I'm not sure it's the lack of principle. I think it's a real distortion of reality that they're victims of. But I'm glad you guys are talking about principle, because that was actually kind of the final parting thought I wanted to give is that I think for a lot of us, it would be a lot easier to just go with the crowd, to just tell people what they want to hear, get a lot more retweets, get a lot more shares, get a lot more funding because it's a bigger crowd. But as far as I know, none of us are willing to do that. And I really appreciate it.

Starting point is 03:22:31 And when I say easy, it's like, well, in the long term, it wouldn't be easier for us because we'd be violating our principles. And I don't think it's easier. There are a lot of people who maybe used to agree with us. And then they went down the establishment road. Either they went really pro MAGA. That's primarily what I'm thinking of. And just to give them a little grace,

Starting point is 03:22:47 I don't want to just assume it's because it was easier and they want to get more followers and more money. like I think they got sucked back into the machine in a lot of ways. And I think other people maybe actually did consciously choose to just go with the wind and do what would serve them the most rather than serve the principles the most. So I just, all of the people I'm looking at here, thank you for not doing that, for sticking with the principles, even when it's hard, even when it feels really disempowering. I know that I felt that way to just continue to espouse my beliefs without giving into the crowd.

Starting point is 03:23:19 I find that hard to do. well, maybe it's not hard because in no way would I ever do that. So this is the easier route for me, although there's more material hardship. It's, to me, it feels a lot better in alignment with my soul. And I appreciate that I recognize that and you guys too. So thank you all. I got to hop off, but good luck. I hope you continue to fundraise and I hope if you're watching that you consider what I just said, what everyone is saying. These are really principled people. And I really value that they value the truth above Ellis. I know that's a loaded term. And it can be very subjective in this day and age. their commitment to sharing what they find with you and doing it with integrity and consistency is,

Starting point is 03:23:55 I think, invaluable. So if you can support them, please do. I know it's tough times to everybody right now, but if you're in a position to, I know that it will go toward really good work. Thank you, Carrie. Appreciate you. Well, James, welcome. How are you, brother? I know, I know you had to get up early for us, so appreciate you joining. Are you muted? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's 6.30 a.m. here and I just rolled out of bed. This is more serious and deeper conversation than I was expecting. Well, thanks for waking up for us, James. No problem. I would bring it to a conversation we could jump into. And this is something that kind of Matt was touching on. We've all covered intensively and it's just one of your investigations,

Starting point is 03:24:35 Derek, that I think is an important one. And this was, what, this was August 2020. Multiple studies predicted governments become authoritarian response to pandemics. And what a I mean, this is something you even talked about, I even think before they posted on T-Lab, right? It just was a predictive point, you know, where this is the study showed you that they argued that they could fake something ultimately use that, whether real or not, which the study highlights to drive us into, I don't know, an authoritarian government that we're all watching build around us right now. Just, you know, talk to work, but go ahead of topic we can get into.

Starting point is 03:25:03 Yeah, I'll just share on that again. This is just another example for everybody who's been here with us now for three and a half hours of why I think T-Lav and the conscious resistance, you know, should get your support because this is another story that a source, a friend, in this case, reached out to me and said, hey, have you ever heard of this thing called Parasite Stress Theory? And I'd never heard of it before. And then as soon as I did, that series, I think, is just two parts. But basically, I looked into it, as you were saying, Ryan, this theory has been studied,

Starting point is 03:25:30 including by some folks tangentially connected to the Rockefellers and Gates. I'm not saying it was directly, you know, but there's definitely some connections. And essentially, they measured the response from, you know, humans and the way we react to a war. to famine, to pandemics. It was like three or, I think it was four or five different topics. And they found in numerous studies that pandemics have a very specific response in humans, that we go into fear mode. As it says, we become more obedient and governments become more authoritarian,

Starting point is 03:25:59 kind of in combination. And even explicitly saying in one of the studies, making the point that even if the pandemic wasn't real, if there's an imagined belief in it, all those same consequences end up showing up. So yeah, I think it's just, it was just another cool story that a source reached out to me, shared it with me. And I thought, you know what, we need to report on this. And especially at that chaotic time, what did you say it was Ryan, August 2020?

Starting point is 03:26:23 So many of us are trying to understand what's happening. To me, it was like another piece of the puzzle making sense. Absolutely. And welcome Steve to the show. Well, thank you, man. Good to have you, brother. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:26:36 Congratulations, you guys are best of luck or however it works with trying to. wrangle the show together for another several months or years. It's always full new challenges each and every day. Yes, it is. It is. Gene. Heggle-Fa-Faithelstown joining us. Thanks for joining brother. Hey, everybody. Thanks for the invite. It's a pleasure to be here. Yeah. I mean, I'm glad you're joining too, because I don't think we've had anybody else so far from the music side. I mean, Derek, Derek is musician as well, but from the, you know, kind of truth perspective from the music side. We've had interviews about this

Starting point is 03:27:15 in the powerful ability, both comedy and other aspects of it too, but using music to try to reach people with information. You feel free to talk about that or anything else. I wanted to give you a shout-up for that because it's hard out there

Starting point is 03:27:28 speaking that truth through the music, which then the industry spits out of its mouth. So thank you for doing that. Absolutely, man. Thank you. Yeah, it's definitely not the easiest path, just like doing the independent journalism that most of the people in this room are doing.

Starting point is 03:27:43 It'd be way easier to just, you know, promote the far left politics of the day or the right-wing, you know, MAGA politics. It's, that's a lot more of the easier route to cash in and get clicks and likes. But to, you know, kind of try to give an objective truth and be principled is much more of a lonelier path, but it's a more rewarding path. So, yeah. Thanks for being, Eugene. Yeah, thanks for being here. Ryan, I think Robert might have to leave in a moment. So maybe, Robert, if you have any other thoughts you want to share,

Starting point is 03:28:17 we appreciate you being here, brother. No, I just wanted to say that, look, independent media in these times are, it's an incredibly powerful force and important force. And so we need TLAV. We need other outlets as well that are so struggling. But TLAB must remain in order to help us. does redirect the conversation in a way that is not partisan that actually reflects what we believe to be true. And especially when we're heading into a potential war against Iran, of course, the genocide in Gaza,

Starting point is 03:29:01 which are perhaps the topics, which, you know, are more to do what I cover here. but for everything that's currently happening and of course everything's evolving on a day-to-day basis now. But if we don't have TLAV and we don't have independent media, the people are going to be left to about anything genuine. And that's just the reality, you know, because there are many journalists, there are many reporters, there are many people trying to put out their message in different ways. and we just don't have the financial backing that those of the corporate media do, those who are putting out a very partisan point of view do. And so our voices are often undermined and they're often not heard. And especially as the media environment sort of transforms now,

Starting point is 03:29:57 people are taking over what the independent media used to rule. So when we're talking about podcasts and online shows and, you know, even publishing articles, substack, for instance, we've got a lot of that mainstream reporting and policed reporting, which is obviously mass promoted on all of these platforms while we're having, for instance, our Gmail accounts or Google, Instagram, whatever it may be, TikTok, everything taken away from us. So we need platforms like this in order. to get our message out. And if people don't agree with it, then that's fine.

Starting point is 03:30:39 But at the end of the day, that needs to be there. Our messages need to be there. And again, without outlets like TLAV, that's just not going to be possible. Yeah, I agree, brother. And I mean, it's really about presenting facts, you know, what we believe are the facts with our source material to back them up and letting people decide for themselves, which is what you're highlighting, right? I mean, that's paramount.

Starting point is 03:31:01 And even if you disagree with what the facts show, we would like to believe we can acknowledge what facts are, but that's part of the problem today is that the very basis of information has been undermined with, I mean, just outright deception, but, you know, the usual kind of muddying of the waters, you know. But yeah, thank you for joining today, Robert. I mean, you're part of our team, you know, and so appreciate your brother. Thanks for having me.

Starting point is 03:31:24 I want to throw one the topic in. And again, feel free to take it where, you know, jump in. I think Desi has to go. Maybe we could let her. sign off real quick. I'm not looking at the chat. I'm sorry. Go ahead. It's okay. I'll be quick about it. I don't have more

Starting point is 03:31:37 words than I've already spoken about this great panel and thank you guys again for inviting me. It's really on honor. I was excited the second I got the message, I was like, absolutely. I'm great because I love to be around like-minded people. And do keep the conversation

Starting point is 03:31:54 on COVID forever because it's just, you know, that's my baby. So it's one of the things, you know, I was one of those people, just like we were talking about, that there's those you can't convince, you know, no matter how close you are to them. My father was a victim of this, and I lost him just last year. So, found his fourth booster. So, you know, it's one of those things that even if you know everything in the world about it, and trust me, I talked to my lungs fell flat with him. And that's the real reason because he listened to CNN and he thought that Dr. Fauci was a saint.

Starting point is 03:32:26 And it's, you know, I know that it's voices because I hear it from people that did listen to me and did listen to other great minds that were conscious and aware of what was going on and, you know, careful with trusting the government, which is always a horrible idea. You know, there's people out there and I can rest easy at night knowing that, you know, the other people out there that still remain in my heart and out in the world that they can turn to many of the people here on this panel. and hopefully make better choices. I'm so grateful to be part of the panel, guys. Thank you so much again. Thanks for being here with us. And make sure you check out her work as well. Interviews with her.

Starting point is 03:33:06 She's doing great work out there, so appreciate you. Thank you, guys. Hey, Ryan, will you provide links to everybody? I'm not familiar with everybody in the room. We provide contact links. Yeah, now you said that, too. I'll make a point to include a link to everybody's work after the fact in the show notes and on the post as well.

Starting point is 03:33:25 We've probably had like 20 people plus in here throughout the last three and a half hours. We definitely put everybody's links out there. Yeah. I never really know who's going to pop up in. So you're honored to have all you guys. I'll make sure I made a note. Well, before we go to the next topic, Ryan, I think you had one in mind. If you want to go there first, I have one more whenever there's time.

Starting point is 03:33:43 Another story we've covered, pretty much the only ones at T-Lev, at least in the beginning. But I just wanted to shout out again. We did get another $100 donation a moment ago, $100, eight minutes ago, $400, eight minutes ago. Yeah, people are supporting. So thank you to everybody who has been doing that. Everybody who's joined us late, this money is specifically for the conscious resistance

Starting point is 03:34:04 in Last American Vagabond, for Ryan and I to continue our five and a half year collaboration. The money's being split right down the middle. It's going to help us continue to do breaking independent news, articles, as we've been highlighting the stories that people have brought to me directly or to Ryan and that we've been able to report on. I want to highlight another one that was one of the first stories

Starting point is 03:34:23 that we did together. I think it was the second month I was writing for you back in June 2020. We were the first people that I know of to really pay attention, and I was one of the only people to go in person to the fluoride trial to cover the fluoride lawsuit. This was a huge one that obviously so many people here familiar with the dangers and concerns around fluoride. It's probably one of the first things you start questioning. But when I learned in 20, I think originally in 2018, 2019 that there was a lawsuit going on. It was like, oh, this could potentially go somewhere.

Starting point is 03:34:50 And then at the beginning, June 2020 was the first week of the actual. trial, and of course it was COVID, so it was all locked down and it was via Zoom in a San Francisco courtroom, but technically via Zoom. And I started doing this series of articles for TLAB, basically just kind of live tweeting at first and then turning those into articles based on being in the virtual courtroom and having to learn more about science than I already knew, which was not a whole lot, but learning different terminology to keep up with the fast pace of the courtroom. and then eventually four years later, whenever the trial did resume, going to San Francisco in person for two weeks to report on the fluoride lawsuit.

Starting point is 03:35:28 And the subsequent stories that have come out through there, the thing, because it's been reported on here and there in the mainstream and even in the alternative, but there's so much minutia, there's so many what I would consider to be smoking guns in this lawsuit emails that were released showing clear evidence of cover up from the CDC's oral health division and people trying to block the National Toxicology Program study from coming out that eventually did come out that said that fluoride poses an unreasonable risk to the neurodevelopment of children. That stuff did get covered, except for pretty much in our articles. I think children's health defense did some as well. I will shout out Brenda over there,

Starting point is 03:36:04 who has been on this. But for the most part, we've been exclusively the ones touching us. I know James interviewed some people involved with this well. The attorney Michael Connett, he's gotten out there. But just to me, another big story that once it did hit the mainstream, of course, they took their spin on it. Now it's basically anybody who talks about. about fluoride you must be some rfk crazy but there's so much documented evidence in there and james that's something you've covered for you know as long as any of us um yeah any thoughts on on that the fluoride lawsuit or the change of sort of tune on that yeah it's been a remarkable story and thank you so much for covering it derrick honestly um it without you there in the courtroom it wouldn't have it would

Starting point is 03:36:41 have been a very different coverage and on my understanding of it would have been different and i liken it to the um the coverage of the what was it the the might Michael Mann lawsuit against Stein, Mark Stein, a few years ago, which was one of those ones where I was following it because somebody was putting out a podcast of like every single day. They were summarizing what had gone on in the courtroom. And that gave such a different viewpoint of what was going on that if I had just heard about that trial and then heard about the result, I would not have understood it at all. And I think similarly with the dint of the fluoride idea, it was just being in that courtroom and seeing what was happening, I'm sure you were able to actually understand what the sort of deeper meaning of what was going on and able to report that.

Starting point is 03:37:31 And if we had an outlet that was funded with the ability to do this on a more regular basis, can you imagine the types of actual true independent media reporting we could be getting out of things like this? my mind boggles. So I just want to give the hats off to you for doing that and setting an example that I hope other people will follow, whether TLAV or not related. I just hope more people would start doing that and getting actual boots on the ground stories like that. I mean, I think 100% the boots on the ground is something that for me personally has always been important in my independent media and that I wish more of us did.

Starting point is 03:38:06 We all do great things in different ways and we all live different places. But I do think whether it's reporting on your own backyard issues or the bigger, international issues. To me, those are always my favorite reports, you know, being able to, for example, with the fluoride case, once it did happen in person, I raised a little bit of money through the conscious resistance, and I mean enough to rent a hotel for a couple of days to have to eat once a day and to, you know, take care of my bills just to go there and be there in courtroom and be able to interview all the Dr. Howard Hu, who, all the lead, you know, witnesses for the fluoride lawsuit. And to your point, James, if you go back, I mean, anytime there's a major trial,

Starting point is 03:38:42 You can expect that the Associated Press or subroiders, they're going to report on it, right? They'll have a six-paragraph thing of today so-and-so. But there is so many details that are important that the people probably would like to know, that just get glossed over, completely ignored. And that is one thing that I've learned from doing trials because I also was at the Silk Road trial with Ross Oldbrick, you know, a decade ago, went to Barrett Brown's trial back in 2014. I started to realize, like, that is a specific type of reporting. For one, you know, being able to take notes, like really quickly.

Starting point is 03:39:10 Obviously, you can read transcripts after the fact. But if you want to get this information and get it to the people as quick as possible, you know, I started doing live tweeting and just being able to keep up, that's a skill on its own, but then also being able to digest the information, which a courtroom, as many of us know here, is a completely different language in a lot of different ways. And you've got to kind of be able to keep up with it quick. But if you don't have somebody in that courtroom reporting, whether it's the Floyd lawsuit or elsewhere, you just get the watered down version that's going to hit the mainstream news.

Starting point is 03:39:37 Yeah. And there's a, what the thing that stood up to me is the parts that, like, you're saying don't get pointed to like with however i think how rhew is his name was hugh he remember he had the responses that i think were very very telling about you know what he was actually trying to expose and whether they're you know it just it's it's it does it adds more flavor more texture to the reality of the of the conversation than just the way that ape will frame it as you know it's you know it's it's the mainstream coverage basically just that it continue and i don't think any of the mainstream outlets have ever even like yes they've

Starting point is 03:40:08 reported on the overall trial the lawsuit of course they all try to downplay it but none of them have ever mentioned the Floyd emails, the emails that were released because of Michael Connett, because of what they got in discovery, and they had access to all this internal CDC emails, emails with the ADA, the American Dental Association, obviously, collaborate. I mean, there's just, again, there's like a whole area that even I think I probably didn't do it, you know, justice because there's just a lot of these emails. And I picked a few segments that I thought were the most telling. And we reported that at TLAF. But that's, again, like, if that's on the front page of the New York Times, that changes the entire conversation. But that's, as we know, won't happen. We all know that. But to the point of why we're here talking about the importance of independent media, those are always my favorite gigs. And I would love to do more of that in 2026. So if anybody out there would like to support, again, we're asking for any amount that you can handle. We understand everybody's facing difficult at times. So we're just trying to continue to do what we think provides value. And we're lucky enough to have a lot of friends here with us supporting us. I'm so honored everybody who showed up. James, of course, you've been an inspiration

Starting point is 03:41:07 to probably everybody who's been on this panel throughout the last couple hours. So just grateful to continue collaborating with all of you and to whatever, you know, big things we're going to do in 2026. You're here. Well, I mean, I think you're aiming for the end of the hour, right? It's probably a good, you know, general point. We'll see how long we go. But why don't we end with a point that, you know, I'm sure everyone knows I'm very much

Starting point is 03:41:28 interested in and kind of the larger, you, one of your series on this and about the kind of larger, you know, overview of where this all seems to be going. And we discussed the technocratic Trump administration. Now, this was a real, I was one of my favorite series that you put. together, Derek. And you started with the public-private partnership, pressuring and consolidated in the media, part three with the technocratic Trump administration, the Zionist infiltration expands. So whether you want to get into your articles in particular, Derek, which I welcome or just everybody else, I just want to set the talking point to end today, you know,

Starting point is 03:41:56 because me, as I'm sure everyone can see by our work and, you know, the different points I focus on, I mean, I find this to be probably the most important thing. And as you, as you heard earlier, I very much think it overlaps with the kind of network state agenda, network, excuse me, network state agenda and the larger kind of technocratic people in the administration, but there's so many moving parts to this. And I very much think that this is like the rate reset in a different version or rather just a different flavoring. So set that. Let's discuss it. Yeah, sure. I'd love to hear everybody's thoughts on it. Just to kind of why I wrote that, I think that was in September, October. And so much had been happening between, you know,

Starting point is 03:42:32 the first seven, eight, nine months. Here we are now going to the second year of the Trump administration. and it's obviously not just affecting the United States as Trump is going all over the world. And for me, it felt like things are moving so fast. I don't even think those of us in the, you know, the so-called independent media, those in the truth movement, et cetera, can even keep up with what's going on. And that is, as I argue in this article by design, whether you're talking about Steve Bannon's strategy of flood them with shit, just keep hitting your enemy with as much stuff as possible, or Zuckerberg, who's now friendly with Trump, his strategy of move fast and break things.

Starting point is 03:43:03 Or Roy Cohn's, you know, Trump's mentor. his philosophy of just move as quick as you can and just overwhelm your enemy. I believe that's exactly what we're witnessing with the pace of things that are happening. So I talk about numerous examples of the Trump administration using the U.S. government and, of course, taxpayer money to buy stake in different companies and forming public-private partnerships, which a couple of years ago a lot of people seemed to be worried about. Now, all of a sudden, public-private partnerships are a good thing under Trump.

Starting point is 03:43:30 It's not socialism when Trump does it, things like that. And then the second one was looking at the various elements of the consultations. and the pressuring of the media, whether you're talking about the Jimmy Kimmel incident and Brandon Carr at the FCC saying we can do this the easy way or the hard way or the Ellison's and their efforts to become part of the new owners of TikTok or the forming of the Skydance Paramount Corporation and how that goes into CBS News. All of this interconnected with Trump Circle, the technocrats, and then the final one is, of course, just the obvious Zionist technocrat overlap that is pretty clear in Trump's administration. So it covered quite a bit in those three articles, but that was the

Starting point is 03:44:05 goal for me is like, okay, maybe I just need to sort of recap all the insanity that's happened at that time within a month or two because it was just one thing after the next, after the next, which again, I think is by design. I've got plenty to say on this topic. Anybody else have any thoughts on where that's going? And, you know, I mean, we could all probably do another four hours on it. But I just, I just this morning, and my apologies for, for, BLA, we're dealing with apartment inspections and stuff. And so we went on like a four mile hike right after the show this morning. But Ice Ice Barbie,

Starting point is 03:44:44 Christine Ome, came out and said regular American citizens should be prepared to be pressed for their papers to prove their citizenship this morning. That's what she said yesterday. She came out and said that. And just think of the acceleration that it was being discussed a moment ago

Starting point is 03:45:06 from you have to QR code if you want to order because it's contactless at the restaurant now because of the sniffles to we're going to send shock groups door to door in the neighborhoods kicking in, you know, yanking people out of their homes and violently detaining American citizens

Starting point is 03:45:30 just to beat, humiliate and continuously harassing. them into allowing the continuance of the shock troops going door to door. And it's only been five years. And now we're talking about the bait and switch with the UK's digital ID thing, where they're like, oh, we've decided against it. But they really haven't.

Starting point is 03:45:55 They're just implemented. Ian Davis has done some very, very good work about this. I would recommend people going and checking that out. But Derek's work on the technocratic Trump administration, that's what I send to people. when they're like, I didn't vote for this. Yeah, you did. Yeah, you did. And here's why.

Starting point is 03:46:11 And it's all laid out thoroughly in this series. Yeah, right. And maybe it just don't know. If only we could get to the I didn't vote for this part of the conversation, though, because a lot of people have decided retroactively that, and yes, I did indeed vote for this. But I guess there is no saving a lot of people. But, but no, the important, for me, the important part of this is that with every new administration, we get to see where they're going.

Starting point is 03:46:36 to take the next the next 17 steps towards tyranny in which direction are they going to take them and with trump it was i i think it was obvious not only with the people that he was surrounding himself with i mean vance right off the bat with the teal connection um but everyone else who was populating that that cast of characters that certainly trump 2.0 represents um which gives you gives away the game as to where they're going with this which which direction are they going to take it well they're taking it in the technocratic state direction and here, here's the exact playbook, essentially, that they're going to use. And how many days did we have to wait before, you know, Project Stargate basically announced

Starting point is 03:47:15 the way things are going to go? Two days, was it? Anyway, so to me, yeah, it's, the writing is on the wall. The only interesting part of the political game to me at this point is to get to see which direction they're going to take the agenda, which is a singular agenda, which we all know they're marching towards. I'm going to have to get out of here to go on with the rest of my day. But thank you guys for doing what you do.

Starting point is 03:47:37 Everyone who's watching this, who at all likes my work, please support TLAV because they do such incredible, important day-to-day reporting that I definitely use in the compilation for my reports. So I do appreciate all the work you guys are doing. Hats off. Hope you get a billion dollars and that we take down the Trump technocratic state and every other globalist institution in the process. Thank you, guys. Thank you, James. Great praise from James. Appreciate that, brother.

Starting point is 03:48:03 And globalist, that it's an important term that seems to be very, very much shied away from from a lot of people, even though it is textbook what we're talking about. I find that so fascinating, don't you guys? If you look up the word, you know, it's become, this is how it's been played in the left-right paradigm, is that it's basically, if you're out there using woke pronouns and saying lefty things, then you're a globalist. It's like, what did you guys? Would you read that?

Starting point is 03:48:26 It's obviously about a one, you know, I mean, you could make it a one world thing, but it has to grow into that. It's about one entity being able to influence control policy. And, you know, it's a globalist idea. It's a one state, new world order kind of dynamic. And it's interesting that that then gets ignored when you see, I mean, the U.S. government and it's occupying nations, you know, that's the same idea. But today it's just on the surface of it.

Starting point is 03:48:49 So I find it fascinating that that topic, that rather that term doesn't get used to describe it, you know? If you use globalist too much, man, you're going to end up with Steve doing his freaking Alex Jones impression. It's probably about to happen any minute. But Brian, I want to throw it to Brian real quick. We haven't heard from him in a little bit. Man, you've been around a long time, brother. And since Ryan brought up Globalist,

Starting point is 03:49:07 one of the people who popularized that term more than most people is Alex Jones, of course. And I think, you know, we're going to start wrapping up here the next 10 minutes. But I'm just curious, Brian, as somebody who's been around for a long time and stayed consistent in principles, what are your thoughts when you see people like Jones and not just him, but others who have, you know, everything that we're seeing, just towing the line, literally the guy who made four documentaries about warning about the American police state now cheering on ice cheering on Trump cheering on this stuff i mean what the heck has happened then well Derek what i want to talk about here is the fact that uh i'm i am a globalist

Starting point is 03:49:42 and i've always been a globalist and i've just pretended not to be a globalist okay just so we're clear about that and i have laryngitis right now so no i think it's pathetic man because and that's what happens when somebody it's it's almost like the mask slips off and you know this guy never followed principle when he can so easily slip away and endorse uh j d vance and donald trump where you can distill their name into one one one word palantier so you got this so you got this guy who warned us for three decades on air against the technocratic state pushing the track the technocratic state yeah you could make it up but why would you have to the script is pretty much writing itself and it's so surreal derrick and all you guys out there by the way i when i say i appreciate everybody who's willing to

Starting point is 03:50:29 have the courage to take a stand on principle. I mean that because I know exactly what it costs you. We could be making tons of money if we just picked aside, man. Just be a Democrat. Just be Republican. Push team MAGA. You can make bank by playing both of those sides. But I'm telling you, man, that is not the way to go. And if we want to kill this country and kill the world, we should just go down the road of Alex Jones. And that's why I pick apart Owen Schroier, because he will act like he sees through the Alex Jones charade and the nonsense and he'll say the right things about Donald Trump sometimes but then he easily goes back to the trough and you just I hate to say it because I kind of like Owen on a personal level and I like some of these guys it seems on a personal

Starting point is 03:51:13 level but you can't trust him because what if somebody more deceptive than Donald Trump comes along and Donald Trump is not deceptive by any means but what if somebody just a little bit more deceptive who's a little bit more slick like j d vance he's a good speaker comes along well uh Alex jones and the owen shroyers and all these people uh that that are you know the the rightest pundits of the world they're they're come they're going to be completely on board selling the tickets to the next box car coming along to the gas chambers oh and will get a marjorie taylor green tramp stamp if she keeps this up because yeah that was the first person brine that popped into my head when you said that. Just a little bit more deceptive than Trump. And I remembered Margie

Starting point is 03:51:58 going out on Tim Dillon show and soft launching her 2028 presidential run, which she didn't actually announce it, but it was a campaign interview. That's what that thing was. And I'm like, oh, well, real MAGA is now going to shift over here. And that's going to be the pressure release valve for them for a few years. And she probably could run a very duplicative. campaign and succeed where you know if anybody could reunite that faction

Starting point is 03:52:30 her working with Bannon and going a America only direction might convince some of the dupes that are still out there but ooh it's yeah it's gonna be wild to see how they unleash

Starting point is 03:52:47 election season on us for the 2028 general. This one, they're just trying to get as many people demoralized, beat up or locked up as possible

Starting point is 03:53:02 because they know they're going to spend two years in impeachment hearings. So they're trying to, that's why it feels like the foot's heavy on the gas right now because it is. You've got a shrinking window of time

Starting point is 03:53:13 to get all of this crap done because then they know they're just going to be deadlocked for the next two years. Everybody's going to agree on that 1.5 trillion dollar military budget though yes yes and and it's very crafty the way they do this because and i know you guys have noticed this it's plain as a nose on your face but when you're against the tyranny of ice all of a sudden you become in the eyes of the conservatives who used to say medical passports showing your ID show me your papers no way but then all of a sudden you're against the very tyranny

Starting point is 03:53:43 that they claim to one day be against and now you're just a leftist lunatic who's you know taking the position of the blue hairs or whatever it is. So I, man, what I want to ask you guys is, and I don't want to veer away from Derek's original question here, but it is disheartening. And what's even more disheartening than CNN, Alex Jones, or an own Schroier or a team MAGA or a TPUSA garnering tens of millions of just loyal followers is the fact that there are tens of millions of loyal followers that are actually falling for something that you and I see as, Whoa, why can't you see that's a, you don't even need the, uh, did they live glasses?

Starting point is 03:54:23 You can see it's a skeletal structure standing before you and it's an alien from another planet. Why aren't you seeing this? How do you guys personally overcome this? And do you think that at the end of the day, we can overcome this? That's a great question. Maybe we can make that sort of a closing question as we start to wrap up here and go around there. And as we, as we do that, I just want to give a shout out again.

Starting point is 03:54:45 We've got a couple more donations coming in. We're at $14,213 dollars, guys. So thanks to everybody, $263, excuse me. And I just want to kind of push everybody who's maybe been with us for the last four hours. If you haven't given any amount, if you can give 20 bucks, this would be the time to do it. This campaign will continue to go for at least the next few days or so after we're live. But it would be awesome if while we were live, if we could hit 15,000. You know, this money is going to be split right down the middle between me and Ryan to continue to do our articles and our investigations that we've been discussing today.

Starting point is 03:55:14 So if you've got a little bit of change in your pocket and you can give, guys, give sendgo.com. The link is in the show notes. But yeah, let's go ahead and jump into that question. That's a great question, Brian, on if we think we can reach people, if we think we can stop what's coming. What do you think, Tim? I think that it's just, you know, the older you get and the more you see, the longer you live through shit, it just becomes more obvious, you know.

Starting point is 03:55:38 I was a young dude. I was in college when the Bush administration was going into Iraq and Afghanistan and all that. And so I thought, okay, that team is bad. Let's go. I want to be with the law. lefties. And so the right at the time was just all open war. We're going to go do this. The left was all kind of clandestine a bit. Let's do drone strikes instead. We're not going to invade. We're going to do drone strikes. We're going to kill that way. Meanwhile, the whole,

Starting point is 03:56:02 you know, the grid system control thing is being built up behind. And we're talking about 2028. Yeah, that's going to be off the hook. You know, so I mean, what have we got on one side? We got J.D. Vance and who's the other guy on the other side? Who's going to be Newsome? Is it going to be AOC? You know, but whenever what happens, you know, you open up the border, let all this come in, all the people come in, and then the next party that's in charge says, now we need all this digital surveillance and digital lockdown control. So those two things coming back and forth. And what I don't like is, yeah, many people that I grew up with, people I know that my peers and everything, or people older than me, younger, they just, they're off on teams, you know, like they get one little win. They hear a sound bite. Oh, I like that.

Starting point is 03:56:46 I used to be like that as well. But once you start living long enough and seeing it, it just repeats itself over and over again. So I don't know how you tell people that. I'm not the solutions guy. Derek's a great solutions guy. But once you just see everything, it just all falls into place. So yeah, no matter what happens, 2020, it's going to be off the hook. I hope people, especially just after the recent COVID, you know, the 1984 nonsense,

Starting point is 03:57:11 I think that woke up a lot of people. I think, I hope that there'll be more skeptical. Well, I'll jump in then. You know, I think it's an important question. And there's a lot, actually quickly to your point, Tim, you know, I call the teeter-totter, you know, and I think what you highlighted there is so very important that it's a game of, and I'll also say, too, that I think that that dynamic is what they already used and it'll be something different next time. But it's important to see how it's used, you know, that ultimately they play that where I'm the party fighting. It's in sort of the rebel fight, the deep state lie, the conservatives are pushing, even though now they're in power, is they frame it as I'm the one fighting that evil force. but then as it flips, then they do COVID.

Starting point is 03:57:49 And now the Republicans fighting that evil force. And then, you know, then it gained that power and influence back and forth. But to Brian's question, you know, it's, I'm of the mind. And I actually think this is unpopular even in this, you know, in our circles. I'm of the mind that most conservatives do not support what's overall happening right now. And I think it's, but it's a mixed bag. I think, like you could easily say all of that crowd I'm talking about, half or the majority of them might still choose to support them even though they don't support what's happening,

Starting point is 03:58:17 if that makes sense. Like there's a whole level to it, you know, but I believe if you look close enough, that, you know, they're promising them a lot of important stuff that aren't, isn't happening, you know, lower costs, smaller government. I mean, you can go down a list. And I'm of the mind that there's only one or two options.

Starting point is 03:58:31 Either all these people are literally willing to go against and support things that go against what they wanted to happen for the team. But there's a part of that or there are people that are now suddenly starting to confront the fact that, okay, well, that's not what we were promised. But he keeps promising it'll come or maybe it is happening. happening. And I think that's growing rapidly. We saw that with Epstein. We saw it with a lot of things. And I think right now that most conservatives are just slowly trying to come to terms, not teams for Republicans, but conservatives that they're being misled. And so it's a game of which, you know, are they going to still go welcome all was worse. So I'll just stick it out. You know, there's more to it. But to the point, though, is I think that we are making that difference. And I think that effort that you were describing, you know, that we had or that Matt was talking about. Like, we have to keep doing that because I believe we make a difference every time we do. I just don't think it registers. It doesn't show in the view count, you know, but we watch it. I think that's what all this is about is to drive us to a place to where those opinions

Starting point is 03:59:23 can no longer influence the masses that we just have to, you know, sign in, digital ID, digital money, and just follow along. That's my opinion anyway. I'll just talk to real fast because I got to get going. I just want to encourage everybody out there that's still watching and listening. Please find in your hearts and your wallets to donate to the Last American Vagabond, Ryan, Derek, and so many other people that have been part of this conversation. doing tremendous work and we got to keep this the independent media going so this perspective is getting

Starting point is 03:59:56 out there and I do think you know what is the solution to all these challenges that we're faced with it you know it's I definitely don't think it's going to come through voting for somebody on the left or somebody through the right I don't think there's any elected official that's going to save us like we have to save ourselves I know when Eric's work he talks about the exit and build strategy and I think that's really going to be the way forward is building intentional communities, creating parallel systems. I'd love to see a parallel system

Starting point is 04:00:25 to the mainstream music industry and mainstream film and television industry. We need to have it not just independent journalism. We need to have it in all the independent arts too because all those are weapons against the ruling class. So anyway, thank you again for having me here. And Steve, it's great to see you. I think we should hear Steve's Alex Jones impersonation before you wrap up the stream.

Starting point is 04:00:54 Yeah, y'all. Keep doing what you're doing. Stay fearless. Keep fighting the good fight. And 2026, hopefully it will be a great year for all of us. Next fundraiser, we can do wheel of impressions with me. We'll just, I'll lay out like 10 or 15 of them. And, you know, we can spin the wheel and wherever it,

Starting point is 04:01:16 We can rock with it. Well, thank you for joining, Gene. And make sure you guys check out Faithless Town. It's an amazing band, very talented. And I appreciate you, brother. Thank you, brother. Gene's a man. Sweet.

Starting point is 04:01:28 All right, Steve, what are you thinking, man? How are you feeling? How you want to wrap things up on your end? Yeah, no, you guys, I can't thank you enough for all of the work that you put out over the years and how much of an inspiration and it's been. And how much of an icebreaker, the work that you do, like we you know independently and then together how much of an icebreaker that's been over there before I even knew you guys got to know you guys or anything like that you know point out specifically and

Starting point is 04:01:57 Brian too you know it's uh you know these are play and Corbett you know it's you're you do such genuinely sincere work that even if people are opposed to the ideas or the facts that you're putting out. Like it's it's impossible to attack the integrity of where it's coming from. And that is incredibly disarming as far as reaching people. And so it's one of those things where we lean into that bit of it. We continue supporting T-Lab, supporting conscious resistance, getting the boots on the ground journalism, getting people out together and in public space. Because the whole point of lockdowns and stuff like that

Starting point is 04:02:55 was to isolate us to make sure that we woke up every day thinking, I am the only person I know that thinks like this or thinks this is wrong or weird or crazy. And that ain't the case. So continuing to support these guys has a huge impact on every. everybody else too, because the more that we can make sure that their work proliferates, the longer we can continue to have these conversations here as opposed to FEMA Camp 11471-1-C. And I want to add one more thing about the great about T-Lav. Another point is that, you know, some of us like I love you all.

Starting point is 04:03:38 Take care. Love you brother. You guys, you know, I've only discovered you in the past five years or so, five, six years. people are kind of similar to me, but you have been at it for 15 years or more. So anything that's coming up in the future, like, there's a pretty good chance you've already talked about it years ago. So you guys are way ahead of the curve and appreciate you so much. And it's just so fun to actually be able to talk with you,

Starting point is 04:04:03 to share things with you and always looking forward to what you have next. So yeah, thank you. And not only talked about it, but researched it and cited it and backed up every word that you said, which is golden. Thank you, brother. Thank you both. I was on that, though, that, you know,

Starting point is 04:04:20 conscious resistance and high-impact flicks well longer than I've been doing it. The same point goes for that, the long track record of continued to do that work. So thank you, Tim. Appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you to both of you for being here with us

Starting point is 04:04:31 and to everybody. I think we've had more than 20, really all-stars in different ways, people who are active on Twitter, people who are making documentaries, writing articles, different parts of the world. I feel super honored and humbled to count you guys as friends

Starting point is 04:04:44 and everybody who's been here. And to everybody who has donated and those who might be here in this recording and giving afterwards, I just want to tell you where we're at as we're about to wrap up. We just passed 14,500. We're at 14,647, almost to $15,000.

Starting point is 04:04:57 Thank you guys so much for giving here and really just supporting the work that we're doing. As everybody's been saying, this is going to go towards Ryan and I doing more deep investigations. Just like the story I broke this week of the UN Insider, we've got more stories we want to break exclusively

Starting point is 04:05:14 this year in 2026 and we don't have the big budget of the New York Times to spend six months on a story and get paid a fat salary. So we need your support, guys. We don't want to have to rely on, you know, putting things behind paywalls or ads, nothing against anybody who does, but we want to make sure that our work is as accessible as possible. And for Ryan and I, the best way to do that is to collaborate with all these wonderful folks you've seen today and to just work with you. You want to, you want something out of this. You want to investigate, invest in journalism. Then you're going to get articles. You're going to get deep dive podcast with Ryan.

Starting point is 04:05:46 You're going to get collaborative interviews between us. And we're going to be doing some documentary work this year, guys. So thank you truly from the bottom of my heart for everybody who's supported. And Ryan, of course, brother, thank you for invited me to be a part of TLAF five and a half years ago. Yeah, and right back at you, man. You know, like I said before, your work with some of the work that I saw when I was first starting this and it has had a profound effect on me.

Starting point is 04:06:07 And, you know, same that he said in general, you know, just want to echo all the same sentiments that it's, you know, you can't even express in words what it means that that this support is out there for us. And we wouldn't be able to do it without you. As I often say, you are the last American vagabond. You are the conscious resistance. That's important. We just passed 15,000, Ryan.

Starting point is 04:06:23 Being grateful resistance, being grateful resistance, G is their name. They put down $500. Kevin the fiddler, 250 says eternally grateful for your invaluable work, which is needed now more than ever, truly honored to contribute and hope you know how much you're appreciated. And there's more and more wonderful comments. Wow. Thank you, guys.

Starting point is 04:06:41 Thank you, everybody. Well, I'll leave on a couple notes, but just that that will continue. We'll both aside when we want to end up pulling that back. Maybe we leave it up for a place to donate because some of them may be recurring donations that we'll go through. I believe that was an option. So we'll go through that. But just continue to support the work, support high impact flicks, support Tim Hincliffe and anybody else in this. Everyone you saw here that has, as we said, principle, whether we disagree or not, you know, integrity and principles guide their actions, their thoughts.

Starting point is 04:07:07 And that has to matter. It has to matter today, more than ever. And unless you have any other final thoughts, guys, that's going to leave with just one kind of sentiment out on the way out. Do you have any thoughts to wrap us up with guys? Okay. Good to go. I'll leave it with just a couple of thoughts that I wanted to show here on the way out.

Starting point is 04:07:22 One was I didn't get a chance to share one of our interviews with James. I'll include all the stuff you saw today, all the links. But the engineered division and subservience under the guise of resistance. We've touched on this a ton today. Whether it's the network state point, whether it's technocracy itself, whether it's Trump promising, you know, remove the Fed, but a CBDC is really what's happening or a, you know, stable coin version of it.

Starting point is 04:07:42 It's this kind of idea that I think we at least need a question. I could be wrong. We could all be wrong. But it's about asking, is this possible? Are we being framed or, you know, given what we want, but really it's a rug pull or bait and switch. And I'll include some of the last shows I did on this, you know, the fake globalist resistance ushered in, ushering in the globalist plan or the idea of just a larger

Starting point is 04:08:02 connection. The Trump and the Zionist globalist technocrats are building your new society, whether you like it or not. And all I really ask is that people consider that that might be what's happening. and don't just take the bait. You know, the thing that we've always wanted, they dangle in front of you, despite how often we've been misled

Starting point is 04:08:16 by government left and right our entire lives. So thank you all for being here. Honored that we got this much so far, and we're going to continue to do great work for you no matter what. So love you all. And as always, question everything. Come to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant.

The Last American Vagabond - The Last American Vagabond/Conscious Resistance Fundraiser 1/16/26

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