The Last American Vagabond - The Unprecedented Gaslighting/Lies Around Abrego Garcia

Starting point is 00:00:00 I wanted to start with this as a sentiment for today, which I'm sure you're all familiar with. Benjamin Franklin, those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety or really a little temporary anything deserve neither liberty nor safety. Now that, aside from my addition there,

Starting point is 00:00:20 classic statement that we're all very aware of, okay? What's wild to me is that we're now coming to head with, I mean, we have these like foundational ideas, like even just the idea of the Constitution or free speech or the First Amendment. And we're coming to head with a moment where people are just, for the most basic, simplistic concepts, just rationalizing, well, right now it's okay to ignore that. It is an inherent, God-given reality, at least as it was written down to begin with.

Starting point is 00:00:46 And I believe that. I believe these are human rights, not, you know, and that's the reality of the Constitution. And that's why we're now having to force down the conversation or push back the ridiculous, uninformed, uneducated, or dishonest arguments of people telling you that immigrants don't have constitutional rights. Yes, they do. Simple, period. Easy to look up and verify. Ask Rock if it makes it even easier for you. The sad reality is that first part of it is how it's been sort of undermined to where it's okay to ignore their rights because, well, maybe they don't have them, but they do, or maybe I don't like what they look like or whatever I've been told to think.

Starting point is 00:01:17 Or maybe they're actually just criminals. It doesn't change the reality of the principle to bring this to Garcia, which I think is relevant. And then from this, point forward, the rest of the conversation today is going to be about foreign policy. But as you can clearly see, this overlaps with foreign policy for many reasons, not least of which is that they're literally sending people who are here in this country legally to foreign countries with no due process in places where they seem to never be able to leave. I just, I mean, from a human perspective, that just seems absolutely not just dark, like subhuman. Like you have no concern.

Starting point is 00:01:49 These people are being used in a political agenda because you were told by a government that there's something, I mean, with no evidence. I don't understand how the people on the Republican side of this, the conservatives, are the ones falling for this. It just blows my mind. But at the end of the day, it needs to be expressed again. This is what I believe right now, again today, clearly, to be one, if not the most, one of the most important things happening to Americans. Every day, it seems to get more intense and more serious and more, not just the threats of Americans, but just the general idea of what this is doing in a precedent sense. I wouldn't care if it was some random Twitter people. We're talking about people at the highest

Starting point is 00:02:24 levels of the U.S. power structure, people who at the highest levels of the corporate media and the mainstream alternative media who are just straight up screaming at you, provably false things. Now, this is a video I'll play quickly because it's Fox News. It's about the breakdown that's highlighting here and then I'll go over the actual documentation to back this up, like we've done at least three times now. Remember, the claims is clearly, or the claims are that this guy is an MS-13 leader. Now, they've weirdly pulled back from the leader. I think they've obviously did that for a reason or the human trafficking claim, neither of which have even been pushed anywhere other than the statements out loud, but that he's MS-13 terrorist, because they

Starting point is 00:03:01 declared them terrorist organization right before this started. And the only evidence they have goes back to 2019. We'll go over it again, not to belabor the point before we get to it, is the evidence is already there. And they're pointing to the kind of circulation of the allegation that stems back to one anonymous informant and one cop who was fired for corruption. And then they recirculated the claim through two different deportation dynamics, none of which actually were criminal discussions and neither of which were, in any case, we're charged with those crimes. And after all that, the court process has now verified beyond that these things were completely unverifiable and ultimately not true.

Starting point is 00:03:38 That I leave all that out. We'll go through it all again. Let's be very clear about this. The accusation of being MS-13 is based on a double hearsay testimony. They never followed up with it. and a detective who weeks later was indicted for sharing confidential information. His legal status, Abrago Garcia, was approved by the Trump administration in 2019. And every year since then, he has checked in with the Department of Homeland Security.

Starting point is 00:04:04 Now, don't forget, that has to mean that everything they're citing today, everything comes from that 2019 engagement and the processes that followed. So there wasn't some new follow-up. So the reality is the Trump administration, under Donald Trump, the last one, already looked at the information and decided that he was not a problem at that time and let him stay in the country. In fact, gave him, I think I was saying it's withholding of removal, is the accurate term. Basically, it's meaning you can't send it back to El Salvador because of political persecution. Now, interestingly in this article, the argument is being made like they're being publicly everywhere else that it's about the gang activity and much more detail. But from my reporting, what I've seen, the argument was made that it was political persecution. from the government, which to me makes much more sense.

Starting point is 00:04:47 I don't understand why any government would say we can't send you back to another country because of your gang activity. Like, are we really going to pretend that Trump administration made the mindset that we want to protect you from gangs? I just don't understand that. But, hey, you guys can decide for yourself, as always. Where everyone's capable, the information is always swirling around. There's so much that's why we provide the source material for you to verify for yourself.

Starting point is 00:05:08 The point, point is that clearly he already decided or their administration decided that he was not a threat and he was able to stay in this country. And then as she said, he checked in every single year. So ask yourself why suddenly when it's politically necessary or advantageous for the current administration that was already the one that allowed him to stay, they just decided to reiterate the process. Good question. And nobody has said anything about him being a gangbanger. Until he was. No, no, not until anything. Until he became a prop. It's not about being a prop. There will be other senators that are looking into these. Because it has reported that over 75% of the people that were on that plane have not been convicted of anything.

Starting point is 00:05:50 Yep. And that's been backed up. The information, there's been investigations by the New York Times. And I think one other outlet that has information about these people, at least the names they could get. And the reality that they showed. And again, even that could be not even the full list, but that 75% of them had no criminal record. Now, many of those were here legally before they got removed or because they pulled their visa without telling. them or they yanked it because of a traffic ticket from 10 years ago. Like, that's what's happening.

Starting point is 00:06:19 So that has to be understood in this whole picture. So this is the breakdown. And this is just because this is accurate. It's not because he posted it. We already talked about this. He's saying these are bond hearing documents. That's it. Not a conviction. So even if they did claim that they argued in those documents that they knew he was MS-13, there is not a convicted reality around that case. It's, and I'm not, look, my point has never been that I don't think he's MS-13. I don't know. The evidence clearly does not support that at the moment. It's subjective, whether it's the tattoos on his fingers or whatever else you're talking about. That's not provable evidence.

Starting point is 00:06:52 That is a data point that could mean he's part of the gang. And as always, the only point I'm making in all this, do you know how we could find out by giving him his due process rights that he is afforded through the Constitution or that we all are through the Constitution or rather that the Constitution outlines. That's it. And so we don't know that for sure. Not a conviction, not a ruling on a gang.

Starting point is 00:07:13 affiliation. Just a judge deciding if someone should be held in ICE custody while removal proceedings are ongoing. And they pointed to what the anonymous source said and the cop who was fired for corruption. And it's all right here. We'll go through it a second. And so what they did is the judge decided that that was enough to make that case for the ongoing proceedings, not a charge, but just for, and that was what they're pointing to. That's the deportation proceedings. And there's two different documents. We'll go over. I'll show them in a second. It's the I-213. And then there's another one. I'll come back to it. It's a GI, something else. But it says what is not, not a criminal trial, not a legal determination of his membership for anything, not a removal order,

Starting point is 00:07:52 not a green light to deport without due process. It says the line you keep circling around, evidence shows he's a verified MS-13 comes from a DHS form, I-213. That's an uncorroborated summary written by an agent which the respondent disputed. Courts treat it as trustworthy. That's the word they actually use. That's why it's in quotes, only for detention purposes, not proof of guilt because guess what any court of law it wouldn't be proof of guilt somebody saying i know this is what i know you are is not typically enough to put someone in prison you need something else to back that claim up because people can lie but and that guy that got fired because of corruption but it says then guess what even if he was ms 13 he still has constitutional rights that's my that's my entire point in all

Starting point is 00:08:32 of this is if it's that simple to prove then why wouldn't you just present the evidence instead of keep circling around and saying like the documents we can point to i have it all we've already showing it to you and I'll go through it yet again. Why don't they do that? It's a simple answer because the evidence shows they're lying to you. This is the article we're going to show, so thank you to Monique. And again, we went through these in particular. And the links to these documents are in the article. We're going to show you next. But as always, we've already went through this. And the document that they've already, this is court filings. And it says unfounded accusation. And it says, insupport of ICE offered the gang field. That was the GFIS was the other document.

Starting point is 00:09:10 it was generated by the police department. The GFIS explained that the only reason to believe plaintiff of Brego Garcia was a gang member was that he was wearing Chicago Bull's hat and hoodie. We've been through this. So that's what they're using to say they were certain. Then the person who's anonymous who said that is why the court said it was trustworthy and only in these documents that wasn't a conviction. But if you walk it all back, you find out that's not, that's ridiculous.

Starting point is 00:09:31 Because Chicago's Bull's hat is not enough to argue you're in the gang. That's an extension of the Michael Jordan argument that 23 means the gang. That's insane. And my point is, all this has come forward to show that this is illegitimate. Request to speak to the detective who offered the sheet. Detective is suspended. We know that now, as well as, oh, that was the other one about the oversight and sending him here.

Starting point is 00:09:53 Now, these are just the quick screenshots. We've gone over these documents on the show. But let's just go to the article itself, which includes all the document links. We've gone through it already, at least twice. The allegation, it's called a Gregor Garcia and MS-13. What do we know? The allegation seems to stem from double hearsay in a document, author to, by a later suspended police detective.

Starting point is 00:10:11 Now, that's the simplest way to write that. It is true. Easily proven. Now, ask yourself why all of these conservative entities out there, whether lawyers or not, don't know that or don't care. In multiple filings, right here, you can link the link to the direct documents. The government has conceded that it wrongfully removed

Starting point is 00:10:29 Abrago Garcia from the United States to a notorious prison for terrorists in El Salvador. On March 15th, on April 7th, accordingly, the Supreme Court ordered, with no recorded dissents, nine to zero, six conservative judges, that the government facilitate his return. But rather than try to write his,

Starting point is 00:10:48 it's wrong, the Trump administration has for weeks been resisting, bringing him back and downplaying the gravity of its air. Both strategies have hinged on the administration's dubious insistence, another link, that Ibrahim Garcia is a, quote, verified and ranking member, different from leader at this point,

Starting point is 00:11:05 of a violent Salvadorian gang, MS-13. It has also argued that he is a terrorist. Now, that only because they've declared that group a terrorist. So that's how Mission Creek works. In that two months ago, Rubio, as they say, just designated them a terrorist group. And they needed to do that to try to make the argument for why Alien Enemies Act applied, even though that requires a state actor and a formal invasion,

Starting point is 00:11:29 not just a scattering of people that you argue a part of the gang that just happened to be in the United States. I have no evidence of some kind of a formal, organized invasion of this country. They're violating, they're, they're fudging the lines everywhere, but guess what, guys, your government's been doing this your entire life. Now it says sent to Seacot without due process, that's obviously important, regardless of what you think he is, even if he is, of whatever you think. Due process is the only point that we really, that's what started the whole conversation. People sent without due process should outrage anybody that actually believes and understands the Constitution. Recently credited evidence that Seacot detainees were highly likely to face imminent immediate and intentional life-threatening harm at the hands. of state actors.

Starting point is 00:12:08 So realize that, guys. Basically, there's credible evidence that was produced that we already know that it's being sent here is dangerous. The barber that was sent there. It was already documented to being beat up by the prisoners and also by the guards. He's a gay barber that got sent there, unjustifiably, is not a criminal,

Starting point is 00:12:28 is not a part of the gang, and might be there for the rest of his life. You can only imagine what that's like for him. credit evidence, credited evidence that Seacott detainees were highly likely to face threats at the hands of state actors, you know, Buckele. Buckele. Now, Jones, 2019 ruling, this is the one we're pointing to in general, barring of Brego Garcia's removal to El Salvador due to a credible fear of persecution was reached after two days of hearings during which Jones took testimony from Garcia and Jennifer. that's his wife. The first of the hearings in September 2019 lasted about five hours, according to Jennifer.

Starting point is 00:13:08 In his ruling, or maybe it's not, we make sure I got the name. Yeah, it is Jennifer. Just making sure. Now, in his ruling, Jones assessed Abrago's Garcia, Abrago Garcia, the respondent in that hearing to be telling the truth. So right there in the very beginning of this,

Starting point is 00:13:28 the judge ruled that he was telling the truth about the whole dynamic. And this gets much more detail, more so in specifics about 2019, that I've gone over. Now it says he provided substantial documentation buttressing his claims, Abrago Garcia, included in this evidence were several affidavits from family members, the court finds the respondent credible is what their claim was. That was in 2019. Now, in March 28, 2019, during the first Trump administration, Abraga Garcia drove one of Jennifer's children to the babysitter,

Starting point is 00:13:56 and at this point, I don't think they were married yet, to the second children to the babysitter and the second to school before dropping off Jennifer at work. She was then five months pregnant. Garcia then drove to a Home Depot parking lot in Maryland to look for construction work as he had several times before. All this is easily identifiable. Now, this entire time, he could be a secret gang member that we can't prove. That's always possible. But the evidence is what matters.

Starting point is 00:14:22 What you could prove matters. When a Gregor Garcia failed to appear to pick up Jennifer after work, she texted him. There was no response. Though the text was eventually marked as red on her phone. We know what that is. They're looking at his phone. At 9 p.m. later that night, Jennifer learned from a friend that, he'd been arrested. Now, according to his recent complaint, here's what happened to

Starting point is 00:14:39 Abrago Garcia on March 28, 2019. At Home Depot, he joined three other young men looking for jobs. He recognized all three, though he'd never interacted with two of them before. Now, this is the whole point of the, you know, what you call it, like pick up work. You know, people go to Home Depot, whether illegal alien or not. I know people in my life that are here legally that just do construction work just like that, who get picked up by people and they get taken. to do a job site, okay? For it's like one day work kind of stuff. So if you're there frequently, you're going to recognize people that are doing that. Now, the obvious point to make is let's just say those three were actually gang members, which is what they seem to argue. How is he then just

Starting point is 00:15:20 guilty by simply being there? That's why in due process and proving these claims would matter. He recognized all three, but only interacted with two of them before this. At 2.27 p.m., a Hyattesville police city police officer approached them. Later, officers from the Prince George's County Police Department arrived and handcuffed all four of them. It says, Breger Garcia was asked if he was a gang member. When he told police he was not, they said that he didn't, they did not believe him and repeatedly demanded he provided information about gang members. So it just kind of sounds like a typical tactic. They want to, they want this to go the way they, their investigation, they want to succeed, right? Maybe they genuinely think he's a gang member. But in many cases, we know how cops operate a lot,

Starting point is 00:16:01 dropping things where they need to be the point is, not every cop is honest. And I think this, again, this one, the cop was later removed for corruption. Okay. So the idea that he would sort of just make that the case, like, like Israeli interrogation dynamic is not impossible. We know that's something that happens. And it says the police told Abrago Garcia that he would be released if he cooperated. But he repeatedly explained that he did not have any information to give because he did not know anything.

Starting point is 00:16:27 Now, sometime thereafter, ICE officers arrived and took Abrago Garcia into federal immigration detention. The next day, ICE brought removal, proceedings against him. So to deport him. And once again, the point being is clearly the whole thing, like, the reason they, right now they tried to circumvent the due process of all of it is because they already know that they don't

Starting point is 00:16:48 have enough to remove a lot of people they want to remove, largely over the Israel overlap. For many different reasons. But it says the sole charge was under 8 USC 182, A6AAI, which provides that, quote, an alien present in the United States without being admitted or paroled or

Starting point is 00:17:05 who arrives in the United States at any time or place, other than it as it designated by the Attorney General is inadmissible. I mean, it's just basic reality. I mean, again, this is why nobody should be arguing if somebody's here illegally, they should not be deported. Or there should not be a legal responsibility there. Obviously, it's like any other law. It's a principle, guys.

Starting point is 00:17:21 So if they're breaking the law, then that matters, right? But there's more to it than just a simple one-point stop. It says on April 24th, 2019, now into April, after nearly a month in custody, based on simply being there with the Bulls hat, you understand? Avery Garcia was taken to his removal hearing before immigration judge Elizabeth A. Kessler. His then attorney, Chikas, applied for his release on bail.

Starting point is 00:17:46 Eyes opposed the application, arguing that Garcia presented a danger to the community because local police had identified him as a verified gang member. See where we are? Like, that's as fast as this went. They decided that based on what he, and despite him saying no, despite the only evidence being what we are told is an anonymous informant and a cop who was later removed for corruption. right so and so maybe he is maybe he's not the point is they never presented the evidence that was an assertion by them which has later been come out in court it says quote i attended his bond hearing

Starting point is 00:18:14 jennifer writes in the declaration and was shocked when the government said he should stay detained because he was an ms 13 gang member kilmar is not and has never been a gang member i'm certain of that of course you could be lying the allegation appears to stem from two documents linked in this discussion that were introduced before judge kessler a federal one to one or i'm sorry I-213 form, record of deportable and admissible alien, filed out by ice, filled out by ice, and a form generated by Prince George's police department called a gang field interview sheet. The latter had been entered into the Prince George's Police Department database at 6.47 p.m. on March 28, 2019, about four hours after police met Abraga Garcia for the first time,

Starting point is 00:18:57 according to Obreg Garcia's recent complaint. So they interviewed him. He said he was not part of the gang, and they simply wrote down he's part of the gang. We have that document too. The government has not introduced either, and this is really important. So this is what's insane to me right now. All they could do is present these to a court, but they know if they did, they would look at them and rule and rule like they already did. Or at least maybe they can manipulate the court like every government does,

Starting point is 00:19:21 and maybe they can get a ruling in their favor, but they don't even try. You know, why? Because they know it's likely not going to succeed. The government has not introduced either the 1-213 or the GFIS form in the defense of their legal. proceedings against Garcia. The descriptions of those documents provided here are based on characterizations of them provided by Kessler in a ruling and a Greg Garcia's current attorney in his complaint. Apparently, relying on the assertions of the I-21213 form, which in turn apparently then relied on the assertions of the GFIS, Kessler wrote, quote, the respondent was arrested in

Starting point is 00:19:54 the company of other ranking gang members and was confirmed to be ranking gang member of the MS-13 gang by approving a reliable source. And that's what we already referenced. That's what she decided based on the circumstantial claims in these reports that pointed to each other. And that, again, this is not in the context of a criminal accusation or a charge. It's about the deportation hearings. So all she said, what she later reiterated was that it was trustworthy. The claims looked like they were logical and that's what she argued. That is the source they point to to say, we proved he was MS-13.

Starting point is 00:20:22 I'm just hope you're following by now because this is very clear. But Kessler, even while crediting the government's claim of gang membership, acknowledged that the two documents were, in at least one respect, glaringly at odds with one another. The federal I-213 form claimed Brayor Garcia had been detained, quote, in connection with a murder investigation,

Starting point is 00:20:42 while the GFIS forum said he and the others had been arrested because they were loitering outside of a Home Depot. Okay, well, so you're not getting your story straight, just like we just talked about yesterday. And this is an ongoing reality. I think it was Milner that was pointing out the, Oh, it was the guy from Nogales, the 18-year-old, or the 19, I believe his name was Jose,

Starting point is 00:21:04 who was an American citizen, who they arrested and held for 10 days because he just didn't believe that he was an American citizen. And he was. They family came, showed him all his documentation, not an alien, an American-born natural citizen. And so what turned out is that they got caught as their reports were conflicting. The representative from Trump's administration and the DHS agent had conflicting information. and both of them were lying at the end of the day because he's an American citizen.

Starting point is 00:21:30 And they claim he walked up and said, I'm an alien, deport me. We have to recognize, and this is what this is here for, this goes back to 2019 from the Intercept. Bad information. Border Patrol arrest reports are full of lies that can sabotage asylum claims. They know what they're doing, guys. Now why? That's hard to understand because it seems absolutely disgusting to me. Like, doesn't mean they wouldn't do it, but like, is it for a foreign country? Is it like, I don't see why they don't recognize hell without.

Starting point is 00:21:56 that undermines this country. So that's what I tend to think. But it says going on, the federal, oh yeah, so it goes, the Kessler found that both documents were admissible in immigration court. Notwithstanding the objection of Garcia's then attorney who protested that he'd not been permitted

Starting point is 00:22:14 to cross-examine the detective whose accusation seemed to be under, to underlie both of them. That seems strange, right? So the lawyer never got a chance to actually cross-examine the police officer, who again was later removed for corruption. Kessler then went on to find

Starting point is 00:22:27 that Garcia had failed to meet his burden of showing that his release quote would not pose a danger to others. This was so, she wrote, because she found ICE's accusation about his gang membership trustworthy. Same point. We're still on the same point where she's looking at the documents and saying that that seems like it makes sense. Trustworthy is what she said. So that's an important word. That's not proof. That means that you're leaning on what they said to make the case just around this deportation discussion. Now, it says although the court is reluctant to give evidentiary weight to the respondent's clothing, that's Garcia, as an indication of gang affiliation, because that's all it rests on, and being there along other people they claim are gang members, the fact that a,

Starting point is 00:23:05 quote, past proven and reliable source of information verified his gang membership, that's the cop, that's the anonymous source, rank and gang name is sufficient to support the respondents as is a gang member. So all she's asserting is that we, the fact that that cop said so and points to someone we can't verify is enough for this proceeding. But makes it clear that it's, obviously, holes here with the clothing and everything else. Now realize nobody ever pointed in this conversation as far as I can tell to the tattoos or anything. It was all about that association. But it says, Kessler did not explain in her ruling what she meant about his clothing. I think we know, though. It's about the Bulls hat and the subjective nature of that. But Abraga-Larsia's recent complaint

Starting point is 00:23:45 by attorney Sondival Motionberg fills in that eyebrow raising detail as well as several others. It says the GFIS explained that the only reason to believe plaintiff, Brago Garcia was a gang member was that he was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat and a hoodie, and that a confidential informant advised that he was an active member of MS-13 with the main, with the Western clique. According to the Department of Justice and the Sulford County District Attorney's Office, the Westerns clique operates in Brentwood, Long Island in New York, a state that Bray Garcia has never lived in.

Starting point is 00:24:18 So the uncross-examined detectives accusations came from an unidentified informant who was also perforce uncross-examined. a second layer of hearsay. Now, again, all of this rests on this one car. I wonder whether this guy even exists. That I've gotten informant feels very mainstream alternative media today. Like my secret sources, that's kind of the same. That's what dishonest people do.

Starting point is 00:24:43 His lawyer later tried to obtain more information about the allegations I said made at the bail hearing, according to the complaint. He discovered that Prince George's police department had no incident report at all for the arrest. and the Hyattsville City Police Department's report mentioned only the other three men, not Garcia. Then the complaint adds yet another disturbing detail. Quote, his attorney also contacted the Prince George Police Department,

Starting point is 00:25:10 Inspector General, requesting to speak to the detective who authored the GFI-S sheet, but of course was informed that the detective had been suspended for corruption. A request to speak to another officer in the gang. unit was declined. Think about how wild this all is and how clear. That is what they're pointing to guys. And that's what you look at these arguments. They're simply pointing to documents that have to do with those two things we're discussing. All rooted on the cop that was removed an anonymous source. That's it. And the fact that he was there where the Bulls had. In the recent Maryland federal court litigation, the government has not contested through introduction of evidence any of

Starting point is 00:25:49 the specific accusations of Garcia's complaint. It has only in conclusory facts, fashion, where I just lost my place, you know, in conclusive fashion, continued to cling to Judge Kessler's finding, which, by the way, again, was not a ruling, was not a legal standing, that he was a member of MS-13. So you realize, Stephen Miller, Pan Bondi, Rubio, Trump, all of them, and everyone else making this claim, who we know he is a gang member, in and of itself, is completely up in the air based on this one thing, and they know that, and they're acting like it's definitive. In no court of law, would this be definitive?

Starting point is 00:26:23 But on top of that, they've made claims to leadership to human trafficking. Every number, any number of things that they've never even tried to prove. How is that not just more evidence to what's going on? They're trying to deceive you. It is absolutely insane to me. As I said, unprecedented. I've never seen this kind of like, you know, as I said before, usually there's nuance. It's a little bit of a massaging of the truth.

Starting point is 00:26:46 This is just straight up lying the opposite, like the exact opposite. It's wild to me. And apparently that's where we are today. Now it says Kessler's bond decision was later upheld on the minister of appeal in perfunctory two-page opinion. Now it says, having been refused bail by Kessler, Garcia remained incarcerated at the Howard Detention Center. And it says in June 2019, Jennifer and he got married while he was in custody. And the point is at that time, Brago Garcia had applied for asylum and similar forms of relief in an attempt to prevent his return to El Salvador. Now, in no way have I ever tried to claim that

Starting point is 00:27:21 they're like, maybe he's gaming the system. Maybe he's actually a game member. We can't prove that. The point is, in principle, none of that really matters. The reality is he wasn't given due process to actually prove these. All of this is not due process. This is different dynamics. If you're charged with a crime, you get due process. Not one time on your life. That's stupid.

Starting point is 00:27:39 Right now, they're presenting a new thing, even though Trump's the one that gave him the right to stay here in the first place or as administration. So when they come out and say, wait a minute, now we're going to deport him for X, Y, and Z. Then is where the process begins. It's not a one-time stop. It's something that happens anytime there's any kind of illegal brand you get to present your evidence, you get to challenge the claims, you get to confront your accuser, that's what we all know we're supposed to live in, even though it hasn't been that way for a long time, if not ever. So, in the point here of whether he's played, you know, it comes down to the fact that not only

Starting point is 00:28:09 was he not given due process, but the evidence does not support these allegations. By that time, he applied for asylum. Okay, so now we get to the idea where he is applying for asylum. Now again, even if you argue that was unjust or he lied, Trump's administration is the one that granted the withholding of removal for the claims they made. In October 2019, Judge Jones did grant his request for withholding of removal based on his well-founded fear of persecution by, they claim Barrio 18. That's the gang member.

Starting point is 00:28:37 So consider this for yourself. I feel like it doesn't make much sense to, but there's no links for it on here, but the argument has been made out otherwise about gangs, which I made that point in the last time. My mind was that it seemed much more likely it was about prosecution from the government, which I've seen also alluded to by other reporting. But, you know, as usual, it's a lot up in the air when it comes to stuff like this, especially when they're trying to make it opaque as possible. The government did not appeal, so Jones's ruling is now final.

Starting point is 00:29:02 So that's the point. Trump's administration did not push back. They said, okay. Shortly after he won withholding a removal status, Garcia was released to return home. Evidently, no one saw him as presenting any danger to the community anymore. Even though nothing actually changed from then forward, and now they say he's the biggest danger to our community. Since then, once a year, all on record, Garcia has checked in with immigration officials.

Starting point is 00:29:28 Does that sound like a gang member to you? This is the standard procedure required of individuals with his status. Removable, but not removal withheld from their country of origin. Now, the point is always the same too. Why, if they really just had deport him with any other process and to any other country, like honestly, if they had just deported them the same way to a different country, it probably wouldn't be as much of an issue, even though still a violation of his rights. Just think it's important to consider that.

Starting point is 00:29:57 And it's saying going forward, his last routine check-in occurred January 2nd of this year, without incident. For the past five years, until his recent abrupt removal to Seacot, Jennifer and Brangor Garcia had been living in Prince George County. Together, they now are raising three children. The third, his first biological child with her, was born in August 2019. That child, now five, has special needs. That was born deaf in one year. The parents learned later he had autism and his in a little. intellectually disabled. Now, all that shouldn't change the reality of the legal standing or the evidence.

Starting point is 00:30:29 But my point is, these are just more supplemental points that tangential to the fact that this guy built a life. There's no, from, you show me the evidence of 2019 to now where he's in any way showing to have any evidence of gang activity. That matters, guys. It's 2025. So this is just becoming so abstract. And we need to start calling stuff like this out because this sets a dangerous precedent, especially as they're floating the idea of sending Americans. It says, as of March 12th, he was employed full time as a first year medal apprentice and was pursuing his vocational license at the University of Maryland. So going to school. But on that afternoon, while driving his disabled five-year-old in the backseat, Garcia was pulled over by ICE

Starting point is 00:31:10 officers apparently without a warrant. Because totally doesn't matter, right? As long as you get what you want, who cares about the process we all scream as absolute? He was informed that his status had changed. Ice officers called Jennifer to tell her to pick up the child, informer that if they didn't, they'd turn over to welfare authorities. Disgusting and took her husband away. ICE has subsequently acknowledged that Garcia was flown to Seacot due to administrative air, despite now, I guess, just denying that, despite them saying that. On April 7th, the U.S. Supreme Court issued a per currum order with no recorded dissents, requiring the government to facilitate his return and share what it can concerning the steps that's taken. So far, Trump's

Starting point is 00:31:48 administration has defied the court's second command and presented no evidence of compliance with the first. Now they keep pretending like even though they lie about the first 9 to 0 ruling, now they pretend the 7 to 2 somehow is in their favor. It's also not, as Jones was just lying about. Alito made it clear. The dissent was around different dynamics. The reality is regardless of this, it's still 7 to 2 either way. The point is that they still have to abide by the first ruling, which is that he has to return, that they have to facilitate it, and that everyone in any context gets due process. So I feel like this is monumentally important. This is very clear. The document are there. This is probably the fourth time we've gone over this case. And yet people still lie about it.

Starting point is 00:32:29 Now here, after you understand all of that, is what Benny Johnson had on his show yesterday. Now, I mean, I shouldn't even need to stop it. Hopefully everything we just went through gave you all the tools to be able to recognize how weird this interview is and how right out of the gate, the conversation is a thousand percent. We know, yet he starts off by going well. We don't know, but he sure looks like it. I swear to God. everything we just went over will be checked and challenged in this. I want to thank you for being on the program. There's been a lot of conversation about Kilmar.

Starting point is 00:33:02 And you'll notice that he really wants to stress that because I guess having the word kill in your name is enough to make you a bad person. That's literally what they're doing that for. Drinking margaritas with your senator. Oh, yeah. Don't forget. That was the lie that Buckela was already caught for where they came out and put these on the table in order to get a quick shot. make it look like they were having fun, well, you're literally talking about a guy who was illegally deported to a certain currently living in a concentration camp. But yeah, let's downplay that because,

Starting point is 00:33:29 look, it's a lovely location in El Salvador. These are not real people, guys. Like, look, I don't think Benny Johnson's a stupid person. Clearly, in a lot of ways, not, I mean, whether it may, look, I don't know whether he chooses to be wrong or not. The point is, you think that's, you think you just, people are clearly aligning themselves with an agenda and just don't care because, you know, dumb Democrats, so we're all on the same side, even if we're lying. You know, that was a provable reality. He tweeted that out. It got immediately broken down by different reports that they watched him basically walk

Starting point is 00:33:59 these out, not because they asked or because they wanted a picture of margaritas in the table. And then immediately did a whole post about it, even put a little margarita in the tweet that Buckely put out. So just want to point that out. So the buzz talking points right out of the gate meant you to make, meant you, meant to set this in your mind already. Oh, they got margaritas and Kilmar is a bad guy. It's just sad.

Starting point is 00:34:20 It's kind of, it's juvenile that this is where the so-called mainstream alternative media is. A lot of conversation about Kilmar, drinking margaritas, with your senator down in El Salvador. Your senator says that he's just a great guy, but wouldn't answer whether he's an MS-13 gang member this past weekend. Okay, so when asked the senator, who's also a member of the government that I think is absolutely not there for the right reasons, regardless of what you think. and because he won't answer that question, therefore that's more evidence of, you know, how many subjective, unverifiable things

Starting point is 00:34:52 can we add to the pile before we, before it now is proven. Apparently none or one is enough for these people. That's so dumb to me. The evidence is already clear. Now, that doesn't prove definitively that he's not, certainly could have secret evidence proving he is somewhere. They haven't presented it.

Starting point is 00:35:06 It's not what they're pointing to, but because the senator denied to say he's not, therefore we now know. I mean, as I usually say, deserves ridicule. was doing interviews on this subject matter. Could you please present for us the evidence that this man is an MS-13 gang member? Remember the question.

Starting point is 00:35:28 Can you please present for us the evidence that proves he is a gang member? Keep that in mind. Well, I've read the report. And absolutely, this is, and thanks for having me on. This is such a horrific story from the sense that this is the jurisdiction. and if your listeners and the viewers aren't aware, this is where Rachel Morin's horrific murder and rape took place. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 00:35:53 So you read the reports. So apparently his knowledge rests on the same reports we're highlighting, which that means he should already know that that's not the reality, but immediately goes in to a completely unrelated story about another illegal immigrant that, or rather an illegal immigrant, because in this case, he's not here illegally based on the fact that the 2019 ruling under the Trump administration allowed him to stay here, that an illegal immigrant that killed somebody,

Starting point is 00:36:15 which is horrific and obviously disgusting. And that person should be held accountable for it. But the idea that they just insert that end of the story is meant to make you think, oh, he's an immigrant, therefore he's also a murderer. It's sub, it is like a, it is the lowest common denominator, guys. They are trying to make you hate people for reasons they're not even connected to because all immigrants are the same

Starting point is 00:36:34 as the underlying point here, or at least all capable of murdering random American women because you claim something. I mean, God, it really does make my skin crawl, guys. And it's not a left or right thing. There's just as many disgusting points by the left in the same exact ways against people's red hats or anybody else they disagree with. You're all doing the same thing. It's unnerving.

Starting point is 00:36:55 And the viewers aren't aware. This is where Rachel Morin's horrific murder and rape took place in my jurisdiction. My agency investigated that crime. And the Kayla Hamilton case from the year before where she was killed at the hands of an MS-13 member illegally in the country. Again, guys, what does that have to do with any of? this? Why would that be, why would you go into all of that unless you just wanted to associate that crime with this person with no evidence? Let's set the table for the evidence here, what he's going to present is the evidence from a guy who already lurched into a completely

Starting point is 00:37:27 unverifiable connection. And this is, these are the types of individuals that our state senator does not reach out to those families. Okay, right. So again, another government person who, by the way, let's not forget, is just as criminal and corrupt as all the rest in the government. So the counterbalance of the bad guy, Democrat, said one thing, therefore, we're on the right side is always an illusion, in my opinion. But the idea being... ...that our state senator does not reach out to those families. That this senator of the government does not reach out to her family,

Starting point is 00:37:55 therefore he's got evil motives? Again, if you're swayed by these emotionally subjective points, then you're a child. And yet travels El Salvador to visit with an affiliate. You know, if not a full-fledged gang member, certainly an affiliate, there's plenty of information out there. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay, hold on a second.

Starting point is 00:38:14 Did we just jump past the way? Okay, hold on. Let's go back really quickly. So to look at Benny Johnson's post, it says is 1,000%. That's what he said. And that's citing what he tells you this guy is saying. Let's listen to that again. To visit with us at our state senate travel, El Salvador, to visit with an affiliate.

Starting point is 00:38:37 You know, if not a full-fledged gang member, certainly an affiliate. There's plenty of information out there. Oh, what is there? Can you show it to us? Are you talking about subjective arguments of how tattoos mean X, Y, and Z? That's not evidence. That's not, or rather, that's not proof in a court of law. Certainly evidence.

Starting point is 00:38:52 It could mean that. I've never said otherwise. But now it's, the interview starting of 1,000 percent immediately walks back to, well, you know, an affiliate, possibly gang member. What does that even mean? An affiliate? Is part of the gang or not? I mean, it's just absolutely mind-blowing to me that this is what's happening right now.

Starting point is 00:39:10 Like, you couldn't have even, like, why wouldn't you just lie about Benny Johnson, the rest are completely lying. about this everywhere else. You bring a guy on, I guess you can't control what the guy says. So maybe that made him feel, maybe that made Bailey look stupid. Either way, he goes on to reiterate the game that this is absolutely the case, despite him just saying that, well, an affiliate may be a gang member. So keep it in mind. To demonstrate that through the tattoos, through the clothing, through the admissions, through different reports that are out in the public. Okay. So admissions don't exist. He's never

Starting point is 00:39:37 claimed as a gang member. Okay. The reports we already went over are redundant based on that one dynamic. The rest is clothes and tattoos. You see where this goes? That's their evidence, guys. And it's not hard to see that if you're just not blinded by partisanship. If they had it, it would be presented. Like, I can bring them up on, I just did. I can show them to you on screen.

Starting point is 00:39:54 Why wouldn't they do that? Because you know that they're not going to be able to prove their claims. That I have read, he is certainly tied directly to the MS-13 gang. And as people should be aware, MS-13 has been a gang that goes back more than 40, 50 years. Okay, well, now we can go on to the background of MS-13 because you alluded to the fact that he's in it. That means he's bad because you're going to go into all the bad things about MS-13, which is a totally bad group. So all he just said is going off of affiliate, maybe gang members, to now being certainly part of it. I don't see any new evidence.

Starting point is 00:40:28 I've heard claims. Like, here's the point. He's hoping that a badge on this guy's shirt will therefore make you believe it because he's a, you know, it's like a white lab coat, meaning that you know he's telling the truth, right? Well, the doctor wouldn't lie to you. The cop wouldn't misinform you. you're damn right they would and do. Now, who knows, maybe he just believes this, but he's wrong because there is no other evidence. I've gone over this tooth and comb.

Starting point is 00:40:50 I can look at there's been, there's lawyer. I mean, it's not, it should be based on what other people are saying. Look at the source material for yourself. It's very obvious. This country known for their propensity for severe violence, drug dealing, murders, and they rule with a ironfish, you know, MS 13. Yeah, let's ignore for the moment of the conversation, the CIA intelligence, overlaps with these groups in the cartels, same with Israel and what they're doing,

Starting point is 00:41:14 because that's not part of today's conversation, but of course it's there, and we've talked about it before. Being a criminal illegal gang is about his common knowledge as gravity keeps us planted to the earth. So you're, so his point is that if, you know, if you're in a gang, then you're a criminal. Okay, I've yet to see you prove that he's in this gang. Said here in a recent headline that this individual is 1,000% an MS-13 gang member followed up by President Trump that afternoon holding up.

Starting point is 00:41:41 this image of the of kill mar oh there we go now we're back to subjective we see how we cycle around i thought this was going to prove something now we're going back to the stuff that's based on subjective arguments of course what they they wrote ms one three on his fingers or you know on the picture which i don't think anybody with any brain cells were confused about that but some people seem to think that was actually the tattoos because the way trump wrote it did seem to make that claim i don't think he meant to deceive quite frankly i just think that's how people interpreted because they want to, but realize that a marijuana leaf, a smiley face, across, and a skull certainly could mean whatever you want it to mean.

Starting point is 00:42:16 Sort of like numerology or sort of like QN on, right? But maybe not. And that's why I do process and actual evidence, not actual proof matters to send people to jail, not subjective claims from people that have an agenda. But you realize that he just jumped over the point. You started out by saying an affiliate, maybe a gang member, but now you just, there's a reason he wanted to reiterate. But you said over here, a thousand percent, well, sort of different.

Starting point is 00:42:39 right a thousand percent or just you know certainty versus maybe yeah yeah that's important to recognize the fact that his name's kilmar is really something else his fist again this idea the fact that his name is really something else why man you i'm pretty sure you can look up the kilmar's a name that exists all around the world it's because you're just fixating on the word kill because your audience is that stupid i think his fist with the ms 13 tattoos this is five with you have you oh absolutely yeah i've seen the tattoos i've seen the pictures i've seen the clothing i've seen the reports. Okay. So what he's saying is he saw the reports of this stuff. What Benny was hoping he would say, maybe he does, that this is him, you know, I can verify those are what MS-13 where.

Starting point is 00:43:17 Even then, still would not prove that he's part of that. I've, again, to reiterate, for those new to the show, I'm not claiming that he's not. I'm claiming we can't prove that. And that's why due process matters, which he was not afforded. Of law enforcement and confidential informants stepping forward and confirming his, not only his place within the gang, but, you know, what some of the things that he is accused of doing in order to have the name that he had. Okay. So you already know this because you've been paying attention. Do you think the cop knows that that's an anonymous source that was not vetted, that was not verified, that came from a cop that was later fired for corruption, or does he just read the report that's been circulating

Starting point is 00:43:52 by conservative reporters? I'm sure you can figure it out. I don't have those reports directly in front me, but I've reviewed those reports as we've dug deeper into this issue and the visit to El Salvador again, and just how, you know, just tone deaf it is to go visit this individual in El Salvador. Oh, oh, now, okay, now we're back into emotional arguments. Oh, how gross it is for this senator to go and care about somebody's constitutional rights, which, by the way, again, I don't believe, I mean, I'm a pessimist when it comes to government. I don't believe anybody involved in this government is doing anything. Again, maybe I'm wrong.

Starting point is 00:44:25 I hope I am. But my point when this happened was he's probably doing this because it's an opportunist moment to be the one looking like the good guy. That's what they do. I've seen them all do it before. But either way, the reality is that what he's doing here, I think I'll play a clip with this in a second that overlaps the partisan point is at least projecting the idea to stand up for what is right, which is that this person was illegally sent here with no due process. And this, I mean, you're sported out to the Constitution, man. How is this what you're talking about?

Starting point is 00:44:50 Because you hate certain people, because you've been told this is the case. Don't you demand evidence? Isn't that what your job is? Well, apparently not police these days. Or, you know, the talk that he was mistakenly deported. well, he was deported by this administration. And as I understand it, that the immigration judge, two of them who heard the case, who also confirmed both of them that he...

Starting point is 00:45:13 As he's just repeating what people, he's probably watching Benny Johnson's show. He's probably watching conservative podcasters. This, he's wrong, guys. I literally just went over it. Or at least he's wildly misinterpreting what he's saying. Neither of those things prove anything he's talking about. And the same process these have later flushed out that that was not the reality. It all stems back from what we've already showed you.

Starting point is 00:45:34 It was MS-13 member agreed with his deportation, just not to El Salvador. And that's the big mistake that was made. Well, yeah, well, the point is that they agreed. The Trump administration gave him the withholding of removal and allowed him until 2025 before they removed him. So you can't pretend like they've just been figuring out their mistake. They decided to take action here and then clearly chose to send him to the one place that there was against that the ruling of the court. it's not hard to miss guys i think there's more to that story um that is more important to senator van holland and many others on the left instead of rachel morins and there we go

Starting point is 00:46:13 how do you possibly know that so is it is are these simultaneously happening stories right now is she's suffering in somewhere else and and this is happening he chose him over her no we're talking about you you're claiming because he didn't do what i wanted over here therefore he cares more but probably i don't think any of these good people are good people but they're putting forward personal opinions as basically factual basis for why all this lines up or why what he did was wrong or why he's a terrorist. I just can't believe people are this dumb. I don't believe that. Horrific death at the hands of a individual in this country illegally with gang ties or Kayla Hamilton's death, both in my jurisdiction, neither of those families that these elected officials

Starting point is 00:46:52 who are all taking vacations now to El Salvador by the busload, apparently. Oh, yeah, vacations, right? And here's that picture where they staged it with those margaritas. it was already basically proven by Keeley and people that were there. But the idea being redirect outrage, right? All these other people that we think, none of that is connected to this story. And do you remember the original question? Have you given us any evidence? No, you've listed off the talking points from the repeating narratives.

Starting point is 00:47:20 That's what this cop just did. Apparently, Benny thought this would prove something to somebody. Well, all it's going to do is the shiny badge will reiterate to people what they've already decided. That's what this is. This guy does not even seem to know what he's talking about. Four times now, he's like, well, I've seen the reports. And I've read what's going around. That's not knowing this.

Starting point is 00:47:40 That's a badge and basically bolstering out what you already want people to know. Have reached out to these families to say how terrible it is that our country didn't move to protect them from having a secure border, from having, you know, a proper way. Right, right. So his argument is the crime was committed. So we need to make some drastic radical change. changes to the border. Maybe, maybe you think that. That's not the logical response to one crime. But that's how they're trying to conflate this whole thing, that they didn't do what the, and because they didn't, that's why Garcia is here and it all connects together because you have to hate these people

Starting point is 00:48:12 and Democrats in the deep state. It's just, it's trying to think of a better word than just, it's fact-free, in my opinion. It is all a bunch of subjective, cobbled together ideas that are not rooted in anything that would ever hold up in court. But guys, this is the crux of the corporate and mainstream alternative media today. Thousand percent. See? He's certainly tied to get, you know, he starts off by saying, well, affiliate, maybe. It's embarrassing. Now here is CNN. Just to make sure we can recognize, as we're always trying to show you, that it's not about left and right. It is about the agenda of your government and using that dynamic to get you fighting yourselves.

Starting point is 00:48:56 And people like Benny are the pipe pipers of the control structure. They're trying to get you forced on each other. They're trying to get you aimed at each other so you don't recognize what's happening right under your feet. This is, I'm not familiar, an author of a certain platform and says, Kilmer Garcia got due process, she's saying. That's how we know everything about him from, ah, look at this, the trafficking?

Starting point is 00:49:21 Oh, do we? Like, these people are just, I mean, this is so insane to me. This person has 100, 223,000 followers. Again, not a single shred of evidence, even present, even the government has not even brought up trafficking. And yet she wants you to believe that we know this because he got due process, all of which is so fundamentally false that it pains me. That MS-13 friends to wife beating,

Starting point is 00:49:47 which is based on that one document from what a different year about a domestic abuse report, which maybe that's what it means. Maybe not. I have friends that have that reports because their neighbors call because they were yelling too much. The point is we don't know. But people like her use whatever shred of subjective evidence they can to cobble together what they want to be the reality. That is the way this has been built today.

Starting point is 00:50:08 The only mistake Trump team made was sending him to the wrong country. But whatever he does, he belongs in jail. Wife beaters belong. Okay, because that's the one thing you actually can prove. It's just painful. Well, here's even CNN, guys, just to make sure you recognize this is a government agenda. And all the propaganda tools are being pulled out. He did have due process.

Starting point is 00:50:30 Incorrect. Everything we know about him is documented because he did go through the court systems. Yeah, yeah, but that's not the point. He was charged with the crime in 2025, and they did not give him due process. See, either that person is so stupid that doesn't understand about what that means

Starting point is 00:50:46 or she's lying to you. My point is most of these talking head people, they actually don't know what they're talking about. It's kind of easy to see these days. He was stopped for trafficking. His wife did file these domestic violence charges against him. Now, it was a report that the police wrote domestic violence. That's what happened. And the bottom line is nothing else has been proven.

Starting point is 00:51:07 The trafficking right there is enough to recognize that she's either listening to people like Bannick Johnson and not doing her due diligence or she's just straight up lying to you. Because that's not true. He was arrested with MS-13 members with a role of cash that had the eyes and the ears and the mouths of the presidents erased, which is an MS-13 markings. My God. Right. So he had $1100 in his pocket. Well, Macy, what's her name? forget her name now. The one that just got robbed in her purse had $3,000 in her purse. Does that mean she's MS-13?

Starting point is 00:51:42 He got arrested at 2019 alongside people that he was waiting for work at Home Depot. So apparently if you just go to work at the wrong place and have money in your pocket, according to this woman, that you're a human trafficker. Non-disputed. And again, I'm just trying to make it facetious. The point is, guys, all of this could be easily proven should they have just actually done what she claimed they did, which is bring the evidence to court and present it. stop halfway. Right. He already got his due process and he got a deportation order. No. So the

Starting point is 00:52:12 idea that somehow he has not. Right. Told them not to do it. So due process doesn't stop when you like the outcome. It's a whole process. Isn't it amazing that that has to be said out loud? Again, I think we're on the side of this where people are actually that uninformed, but I've been allowed to think that they know they are at the top of their game. are doing like when it when they side with the criminals it's deep it's due process and now he's a criminal because it's just the self-fulfilling narrative is insane to me and when they side against the criminal no i've been giving this a lot of because i want to actually make sure the things that i come up here and argue i actually believe in and so i was thinking i was like am i that's a nice

Starting point is 00:52:56 change for cnnon i'm not i really admire i i'm not but the thing that makes me better than the criminal I treat them with humanity and dignity in them despite of what they have done. And see, this is the larger point that goes around foreign policy and everything, guys. Now, you don't have to agree with that, but that's what they present, right? They were the moral leaders of the world. Okay, well, then you can't keep claiming that when all you do is say they did it first, so we're going to do it back. At best, that makes you the same thing.

Starting point is 00:53:24 And that's what we're saying now. You didn't give January sexers the due process and we're not going to give you. How was that even an argument? That's a non-starter. That is you arguing, we're going to keep doing the same problem because they did it first. We're not in kindergarten, guys. And that when their judgment is placed on, then they have to live with it. But I cannot assign judgment to people because I don't like something.

Starting point is 00:53:45 We have a system of law. And I would hope that the same due process that I receive that everyone's received. That's what makes our country. You are an American citizen. Oh, and there we go. She's ignorant, guys. She doesn't know what she's talking about. So everyone should call her out.

Starting point is 00:54:01 You know, easy it is to post, I mean, go and ask her up. Do they have a city? Yes, they have rights. She just doesn't know or doesn't care. You get no, but that is what makes our country wonderful. It's because it's for people in this land. You know what, Baccia, except the one that Democrats are trying to You are right. Hold on, you're actually right to a degree that in this particular instance, he is going through an immigration process. But even in that process, which is largely administrative, it's not a jury situation. It's not as

Starting point is 00:54:33 lengthy and as detailed. The standard is not beyond a reasonable doubt. It's the preponderance of evidence. Even by that standard, they did not, according to several judges, give him that process. So they didn't even give him a truncated process. They sent him to the wrong country, but in any other country... She just skipped right over the point. In sending him to that country, they skipped the process where the evidence would have been presented to make the case for why that should happen. You know, the sad reality is, as we go through this, I get the sense of that a lot of Americans, like, don't even grasp. Like, even as we explain it, they're just like,

Starting point is 00:55:07 but he was in an alien alien. Like, they just don't get it. I don't think that's the majority, but there's a lot of them out there, and that's what's being leaned into by the administration. He could be sent to. They could put him in prison, and they probably will because he's a wife feeder, and that's where he belongs. You see what I'm saying? Like, that's just late.

Starting point is 00:55:22 That's dumb. Like, that's an ignorant person. And that's what's getting raised up today. Everywhere you look, the bottom of the barrel. Now, this is a clip that is Van Hollen. Now, remember my boy. point. I don't get, I mean, I hope I'm wrong about a lot of them. I'd like to believe some of them might actually care about people. My history is showing us otherwise, I think, but I keep an open

Starting point is 00:55:44 mind of the possibility, but I, you know, expect the worst, hope for the best. The point is that it's interesting that his statement, whether it's him saying it or not, is exactly what I think we should be thinking. The point is because he says it and it's on CNN, they're going to go, oh, you're just repeating the dog or our talking point, or that's just what Democrats say, and that's how this game works. You couch it in a two-party illusion, the other side dismisses it. That's how this works. Both sides do it. The point that I think is interesting is not just that,

Starting point is 00:56:08 but that what she says on CNN again is points to one of the chief, you know, monsters of the Democrat side, which is Gavin Newsom, saying that he's calling this a distraction. So you just need to start to recognize that usually when all of them start to align, there's a reason for that. And it's just like with Israel or anything else.

Starting point is 00:56:26 So here's another point to that. Some of your fellow Democrats like Gavin Newsom say that it's a mistake to have this fight. when the economy really is the issue that Democrat should be focused on. He said it's the distraction of the day, the art of distraction. Yeah, due process constitutional rights. What a distraction? How is it so that we are looking like we're defending, you know,

Starting point is 00:56:49 someone who's out of sight, out of mind in El Salvador? Do you see an argument that the focus on this, regardless of due process, which is totally understandable, but just on the politics, might not be winning for you? God. I don't think it's ever wrong to fight for the constitutional rights of one person, because if we give up on one person's rights, we threaten everybody's rights. And I think a lot of voters, both Republican and Democrat, are tired of elected officials and politicians

Starting point is 00:57:25 who just put their finger to the wind. And I would say that anyone who's not prepared to stand up and fight for the Constitution, doesn't deserve to lead. 100% agree. Now, does he mean that? Or is he just using that sentiment to present himself as the counterbalance to how crazy this is? You can decide.

Starting point is 00:57:44 It doesn't mean the point is the sentiment's right. Whoever's putting that forward, you should agree with whether or not their left or right or an alien from outer space. It didn't change the reality. It's important to think about.

The Last American Vagabond - The Unprecedented Gaslighting/Lies Around Abrego Garcia

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