The Last American Vagabond - What The Hell Is Happening? w/ Charlie Robinson (4/30/26)

Episode Date: April 30, 2026

Joining me today is Charlie Robinson, here once again to discuss the madness that is partisan politics, and the chaotic nature of the world today. Charlie will be periodically joining Ryan to discuss current events, political machinations, foreign policy blunders, and just good old fashioned two-party illusion naivety. Our conversations will be focused on whatever is most current in our minds as we do our best to decipher “what the hell is happening?”Bitcoin Donations Are Appreciated:www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/bitcoin-donation(3FSozj9gQ1UniHvEiRmkPnXzHSVMc68U9f) Get full access to The Last American Vagabond Substack at tlavagabond.substack.com/subscribe

control exactly what people think and that is our job what the hell is happening what the hell is happening our home we're making things now the world is our what the hell is happening what the hell is happening what the hell is happening the cast on the planet it's already happened we could step up the passion it's happening happening happening it's already happened the madness of the new cycle spinning the wheel of chaos Welcome to another episode of What the Hell is Happening. Another episode of What the Hell is happening with Charlie Robinson and myself, Ryan Christian.

Just to start, sorry for the delay there. It's funny how, I mean, I don't know about you, Charlie, but I've been seeing in the last, I don't know, week an incredible spike in, you know, glitches in the Matrix. I got a curiosity. I wonder if you're feeling the same thing like, you know, weird logging things or weird little and like I want to be very serious. It very well could just be genuine mistakes. this whole thing is like lumbered into the new technocratic system.

But, you know, part of it, I wonder, is more suppression and that's, and so on. You know, first of all, how are you, Charlie? What the hell is happening? Oh, I'm good. All things considered, I haven't been experiencing that so much as I have been seeing nostalgia used as a weapon on social media, where they're showing me images of 1962 opening day Fenway Park and look at the crowd out and everybody's healthy and everybody's happy and look at the mall in 1986 around Christmas time

and everybody's shopping and everybody looks normal and nobody's having a mental breakdown in the middle of the food court. You know, and you see all these things and I started realizing that it's the most radicalizing component right now is to show America what it used to be and then have people stew in the reality of what it's become.

Ah, but then weaponize that whichever way you can, right? So be, and that's the way it used to be, and it's not now because of the left or because of the right. Yeah, exactly. It's them. It's always their fault. Those people, it used to be this way, but then we did that or you voted for them or whatever.

There's always some external enemy. But it's undeniable that things have changed. And for those who have experienced it, who've lived long enough to really have the perspective to know what has been lost and to be reminded of it. it and to see it is is like dumping a bucket of ice water on you you know you just think oh yeah it used to be like that and now it's not why is that you know and then that leads you down your own individualized rabbit hole of what is maybe the the cause of this is it that i got older and things changed well yeah of course but but not this much society has gone and you know changed so much

recent in the last 50 years or so and and to watch that to have people remind you of it i think right now is making people with you know like there's the joke like god could we just go back to 2012 you know the mayan apocalypse before everything got totally weird before cern got flipped on or whatever happened and and you know before reality broke down and but think about going back even further, you know, and I wonder about the people who are senior citizens right now. Like, they have even, you know, even deeper perspective on this. And they really must be infuriated to see how much it's changed and what a catastrophe this has turned into. Yeah. You know, it's an interesting thought because, you know, you think about it for a second. At one point, that's the last thing I want you to

think about, right? The system, right, to have you focus on the fact that we no longer have what we pretend we do. But what's interesting is you could look at it one of two ways. And we often talk about this sort of point of it that maybe that's just a, you know, like you're in a position where you're so desperately failing that you're using your own problem to kind of distract from the current thing, or just what we keep highlighting, which is kind of the same point, but they are different of saying now they have, you know, the system, whatever we're talking about has the new plan and line that they want to put in place. And so it's the process is to get you to go, that's broken. And they go, oh, well, guess what?

Here's something we can do instead. You know, it's like this problem reaction solution situation. And so what seems to do to think about, like, why would the system or just, you know, which is the way I would read it. It's all very different. You know, it's all nuanced, but we have all these people on Twitter platforms and everything else who are clearly playing this partisan influence game. And that's kind of what we're talking about, right?

Like, look at the, look at the old. Look at what it used to be like. Or the leftists don't like it or, you know, whatever it is. And it's up, it's, but it's making sure we all in this moment recognize that we are lost. I just think it's important to think about that, that the government doesn't want you usually to think about how they're failing you, but now they do. And I can't help but see that as an obvious point to what we're highlighting about the transition, that they all want us to move to the next step. It just maybe differ on how that step goes or where it leads to. It's very really, it's so crazy how obvious it is right now, isn't it?

Certainly demoralizing for people to see that. And so, as you said, you could take that however you want. Maybe it weaponizes you. Maybe it turns you radical and makes you mad. It makes you feel like I want to go back to the old days and these people are taking it from. Maybe it makes you want to curl up in a ball and suck your thumb and pull out your photo album and cry about how it used to be so much different. And that's valuable to them as well, right, to get you out of the game, out of the system. You're not even trying anymore.

I mean, you've given up. So it can be it can be spun depending on the personality type, depending on the social media preference, depending on how they want you to feel. I mean, I don't know about you, but this has been like India Week on social media for me. I have seen cartoonish deaths, things I have never seen before happening in the Indian subcontinent that water and buses and electricity and things like that. And it's so wild because it's like reality gets curated. It's like you can feel that the switch gets turned on because a couple of weeks ago, for whatever reason they had.

I'm speaking about X in particular here because that's the one I'm on really. They had Japan Week or something where everything that was getting shown in like the 4U section is incredibly based Japanese people or Japanese homesteads or they're doing all that. You know, people are like, oh, this is awesome. And then it switched and they made it everybody from India. And it was like it happened. And so now it is whatever it is. you know, and it's maybe not the biggest social experiment in the world.

But it is obvious that it can be done because it's being done. It's obvious that they can curate your reality so that one week you're in a good mood because you're seeing nothing but incredible Japanese people. And the next week, you're horrified because you're seeing people that are unfamiliar that can't seem to navigate trains or train tracks or things like that. And you're just like, what is going on? And so, like, it's, it's most definitely, and we know this, of course, because we cover this. But for those who are even just sort of casually paying attention, it's very obvious that they literally flip a switch and the narrative changes to something totally different.

Yeah. And here's two things that I think are really important. First, to your point you're making now, I don't see the same thing. And I think we don't often talk. We both know this. And we both talk about it. But in the midst of it, it's, you know, we all have. our bubbles right or and whether but well before twitter we had the same thing but it's just being

weaponized against us right now right but what's interesting is i can't think off the top of my head what what i would think the you know i tried as much as i can't avoid and i'm sure you do too like the what you can obviously feel is like this is what you should look at today you know i try to recognize that as i'm looking at it but mine were not that i don't think i ever had a moment where i was like look at all these japanese homesteads or the india point like i've other discussions, but I'm not getting that even remotely. What I'm seeing right now, and it's interesting because it's, in a way, it's a feedback loop. It's giving you what, like you click on, or at least what they think you might be interested in at the same time,

what you want you to be considering they as just, you know, the hierarchy enslaving you. We're not talking about one group or one thing. But what's interesting is I'm trying to highlight right now more than usual, but not to a crazy degree, but I notice it's more than usual, the partisan kind of deflection flailing about as the ship is sinking. It's very hard to watch, but it's very interesting. and it's not just about going, look, they're failing. There's interesting points you made within all of it that show you the system and, you know, all that.

And that's what I keep getting thrown at me. All the, you know, Nick's order. And I don't follow these guys. I don't, you know, but yet you look at it once or you look at it when you get, you know, thrown out. So I wonder if there's some point like that where it's just like the algorithm trying to feed you what you want, which is its own problem, you know. But anyway, the point is it's interesting to note the differences of what we're seeing,

even though we're doing the same things, calling out the same problems. It's very interesting. And then before I, we can talk more on that, but before I get too, far past it, I just want people to ask themselves about the, you know, how good it was before. Was it actually better? Or is that just the way we're being confronted with it right now, right? Like, I agree. There's plenty of things to look back and go, yeah, we weren't, you know, there wasn't an ongoing multi, well, at least as it was today, genocide taking place. There's not the, you know, there's plenty of things that have gotten way more extreme. But, you know, you can always kind of

the grass is greener point, look back and it be like, man, it was so much better over there. Remember, there were massive wars. People suffer. I mean, there was basically, I argue, there's just more awareness of some of these things than there ever have been. And yes, some of them are much more extreme. But just, you know, maybe it is that they want you to think that it used to be so great and we can get back there and maybe not's the case. Social cohesion has definitely come apart. Maybe not so much on the geopolitical spectrum. But a world before digital devices. Oh, yeah. Is what really is kind of at the core of it. Because that's done something to us as a society. I mean, you've seen the videos of the people who are looking at their phones.

and walking right into water fountains and things like that. You know, we've, it's become a problem. Hell yeah. And there was something nice about the analog world. There were, obviously, there were major flaws, you know, like, you don't know where somebody is. You can't just pick up a phone and call them, you know, but we managed, you know, you knew where everybody was because we're all the bicycles were piled up in front

of that, that guy's house. That's where everybody was, right? That was social media back back in my day, back. in the 1900s so weird you know and it's it's only going to get more and more disconnected from that because you know we are like the last generation that straddled that line for the most part the growing up at a time where we didn't have cell phones and we i mean i've made that point many times it's it's funny and interesting to think about you know like you just said where you know you go and everyone's going to go do the thing and then for some reason you just missed the last note or whatever

and you show up and you're like whoa no one's here so i guess i'm doing my own thing today because you can't just be like hey where'd you go you know what's going on you know it's just it's just it's different time. But it's like, you know, I get why, and I think we all get why people long for that. You may still like the connection. You may still like the conveniences, but we all seem to long for that simple difference, you know. And yes, there were still things going on. War still existed. They were still governments using their more hand-handed efforts to spy on you, you know, which almost didn't were worse in plenty of ways. But, you know, it's obvious that this is, you know, like we said, being used to get you to go, that's a problem. Let's go back to it. But guess what?

They're not going back to it. They're going to use your. desire to go back to it and the momentum within that to enshrine this forever like they do with everything you know oh you you don't like the you know what what are the examples war powers act patriot act smith mutt modernization act it's like oh you don't like that we're doing that well sure we'll fix that by making it legal it's like solve that's what they do you know but yeah it's it's that's all kind of oh actually one point for go past the twitter stuff i had this pulled up and i thought it was interesting i wasn't going to bring it up unless it was somewhat relevant but some things like this for example

I just taught my show yesterday. And it glitches. I'm sure. I know they exist. But on the recent show, basically it kept the live going forever. Looks like it might have just, nope, still there.

For some reason, it's just still live forever. I can't end that because I used stream yard. So I ended and it's done, ended everywhere else. But you know, it could be a glitch. What's interesting to me is underneath this, which is now weirdly showing,

which is funny to me, this wasn't showing before this comment. Here, I have it down here. You can see the video. This guy's comment down below wasn't showing. See, it says one. Anyway, the point is, I basically was trying to highlight that and then it showed up.

Anyway, the bottom line is the glitchy stuff that I'm seeing throughout all this, hiding comments, algorithmic manipulation, suppressing content flow. You know, is this glitch or is it something more? And I think, you know, we all know that there's a very clear effort to corral and algorithmically control the flow of information, both to hide information that they don't want you to see, but also to very clearly channel us through these sort of distraction mechanisms. And I think let's get into, if you want to get into next, the, you know, ballroom,

White House correspondent dinner, kind of all in one conversation. Because I made a point to say this, like, you know, it's obvious, like you just said. Like I feel like anybody paying attention was like, okay, this is clearly like something that was flicked on. Like it's clear that there's a whole momentum behind this. It's clear that this is being weaponized, you know, everybody was like ballroom, like immediately. you know, so give me your thoughts on the whole thing. I'd like, just kind of would go through.

My point was that I'm like, I'm not going to get sucked into this. I'll cover it if it's relevant, but I very clearly, you know, all these rabbit holes where they just want you to go on for three months about the story and nothing ever changes. Anyway, so what did you see in all of that? You know, hoax not, ballroom, you know, what jumped out at you when you first saw it? I just Masonic theater, you know, is like kind of the first thought that went through my head. Like, I didn't really pay much attention to it at first. In fact, when it happened, I just thought, oh, God, here we go again.

Right. But, Charlie, hold on. That point right there. I'm sorry to cut you off. Yeah. But that's fascinating to me. Like, so think about what we're talking about. And I felt like I had to like bend over backwards to make it clear that I'm like,

look, you know, this president being shot at is not a small thing. You know, anybody being, you know, but I was like, I don't care about. Like, this is like, with everything going on and was like, this is just, I mean, so why would you, do you feel that that was, you know, like, is that, do you feel weird about that you were like, I don't care. I don't care the president was potentially assassinated. Like, how do you read that? No, I don't feel bad about it because I don't think the president was potentially assassinated.

I think the whole thing is theater. I don't think it. That's why I was like, whatever. If it had been like, Dun, Dun, Dun, Don't, Don't, Breaking News, you know, like when we were younger and it was like, you know, this coming in and, you know, the reporters, you know, got his tie on down. And he's like, there's been a report that the president's been shot at and everything. Do you be like, oh, my God, like, this is really serious.

When I heard it on X, It was late at night. I was just about to go to bed. I saw something. I went, and I just went to bed. I didn't even think for a second that it was real worthy of my time. I was like, I'll just, we'll figure it out tomorrow. It's like, whatever it is, it's not going to be what it appears to be.

And whatever it is is probably just going to be used as a distraction. And I just did not have the gut feeling that you would get, you'd think you would get, when you heard, where were you when you heard the news that President Trump was shot at again? By a deranged lunatic, again, who they tackled again, who they said, hey, get ready for the shots tonight at the show and then they got him again. And then, you know what I mean? Like, it's like, enough. Get a different writer.

I'm tired of this. I demand higher quality psychological operations. You know, and look, Charlie, you're a compassionate person. You have empathy. Clearly, you care about people and you're not, you know, I also, I want to maybe don't know. It's important to point out, you know, you're not some person that dismisses humans ever, you know, and but what it's such a, you know, I mean, people would I think expect those of us that are already questioning a skeptical to maybe go in that direction, but I just, I feel like there's something that's relevant to really highlight right there,

that we're at a point that's so obvious. And I know most of our audiences are probably there with us, I'm telling you, there's plenty of people out there who are still lost in this. I see it in my, you know, but I don't think it's the majority. But for us to be like, oh, the president, the shot, you know, like, just kind of, you know, like my same thing. I will get into it tomorrow. We'll go through and have to probably break down why most of it's not true.

It's just a crazy time that we're at, you know, and the height. Okay, so let's get into the actual story. Do you really think it was staged? Because I'm honestly, I'm not sure if I feel like it is either a used event. And then I guess the Carolina Leavitt thing would just be the fact that she happened to say it, which I'm very skeptical about, but they could just use an event like that and we know they would. Or do you actually think that they'd be willing to just make that up and do it so clumsily? You know, well, I used to not, I used to just assume that they would always send the varsity team

to run these, you know, that if there's something this important, you can't be wrong. You can't make a mistake. People will be watching, not everybody, but a few people will be watching. And you've got to have it buttoned up. And I remember, time when events like that were well thought out. But everything feels very disjointed. The the rouse shooting, you know, the Florida golf course thing seemed very CIA-ish. Obviously, the shooting during the campaign, the ear situation, the theater behind that, the magically hearing healing ear the ear bandages on at the you know in congress and it just feels so fake to me every component of it feels fake trump you know as steve poikinen will point out trump is in the

w w e hall of fame for a reason he's great at this and you know his and so you know sometimes i have to remind myself, or I have to sort of ask myself, I guess, is the messaging for me? Or is the messaging for another segment of society? It goes, oh, wow, the president got shot at, man. That's crazy. Yeah, this is all totally believable. Like, wow, this is amazing. Yeah, he might be the guy if they want to kill him. Right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, man. they want to get Trump. They hate them. Yeah, those leftists are crazy. You know, and so like, there's a segment you just, I want to go like, are you enjoying the show? Yeah. Are you enjoying the show? Because if you liked wrestling and, you know, and I, and I had this kind of epiphany a couple

days ago and I was turned on the TV and I, it was flipping through to see what was on and like during daytime. And I noticed that there's still soap operas on. And I go, okay. Like, again, that's not for us. That's for a segment of society who is going to tune in every day for days of our lives and get into that. And that's their thing. Like, so again, sometimes the messaging is so disjointed and so nonsensical and embarrassing that I go, how do you expect us to believe it?

And I go, oh, wait, maybe they don't expect all of us to believe it. Maybe they don't need all of us to believe it. Maybe they just need a segment, you know, as, you know, the bulk of society who's down there sort of getting information from mainstream sources, not asking follow-up questions, taking in sound bites and interpreting them however they want, or now even reading an AI summary for five seconds instead of reading the entire article. So, you know, it's just, it's very fast food information. It's a presidency that feels, has always felt very clownish, even back in 2016 when they started. So it's a, it's kind of a, it's kind of a fitting, it's kind of a fitting situation that we're in right now, where the press can announce that the president of the United States was shot at and a large percentage of society will just roll their eyes and go next. Yeah, well, it's kind of like an only point, which I hope we can actually touch on. Like the, you know, I jokingly called it the, you know, I guess the debt, you know, the breaking case of emergency level desperate.

It's like, you know, yes, the UFO information may come out. You know, it's like those like that. I made the joke about the COVID variant too. Like breaking case emergency, the COVID variant's coming out. You know, these things they might jump into in case they need you to. I mean, you know, look, I think like everything else, it's pretty damn obvious that they're floundering right now. Like they're, you can't just lie that many times in a row and having just like, people laughing in your face, Germany saying you're embarrassing them of yourselves

without people, you know, everyone can recognize that they're clearly kind of in, whatever reason is they're floundering or the Epstein files or whatever else. And so it's very logical to ask ourselves if some of this stuff is just like, like my point with Cash Patel and his, I mean, apparently he's very much going to lose or like, that's just going to go nowhere with that Atlantic lawsuit. Was that just to make people like embarrass Cash Patel just to get you to look away? Probably.

Like, you know what I mean? That's where I think they are, or they actually are. If you're that desperate, that's the way. you would rationalize that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. When you're fighting against the news cycle and you know that you have to, you just have to put some hours between right now and, you know, tomorrow. And if, and for, and look, I can fill 24 hours with people talking about Christy Noam's weirdo husband, right? So we're going to jettison her. Yeah. Thanks for your service to the cult. You're out. And now here goes all the baggage that we had about you. We'll throw that out because that'll distract for a good day or two. And, and then it's

on to the next scandal. All these people have skeletons in their closets. The reason why they're there in the first place. And so when it's time to throw them overboard, then it provides, you know, it's just about timing, right? It's like, when do we have some bad news coming out, right? Tomorrow, all right. Well, guess what else is going to come out tomorrow?

Christy Nome's life is going to get ruined. But that's okay because, you know, you sold your soul for the hair extensions, baby. Yep. But as always, never accountability. unless they're that desperate, right? Like, I honestly don't even think Dr. David Marenz is going to be held accountable, even though that's obviously a sidestep.

All the things I'd like to talk about, we should talk about those too. But let's keep, let's stay on this for a minute, the indictments and all that because it's really interesting. I think they're designed to fail. But so back to the shooting, though, you know, so there's all these different points. We don't say too long on it, but, you know,

we have all these different, like, for example, as far as I could tell, he didn't even end up in the same room, right? Like, it was like, so this argument that it was about, like, or how do we even know at this point at the, at the so-called manifesto and all that was actually from this person. You know, it's like there's every time these things spin around, it seems why, like, now like the point about how it's supposed to be something released before, but he's commenting on the security that happened while.

Like, how is that not just objectively obvious that we're being lied to? I mean, it is, right? And yet it doesn't get really addressed within like the real, you shouldn't even call it that the, what's labeled as the real conversation, you know, or the image of him in an IDF shirt, which as far as I can tell, using AI check doesn't appear to be AI. but the police has been anomalies, but now it's becoming,

it's all AI and they're lying about it. So any other thoughts on that, like the different anomalies within this? Like, I don't want to just leave it as we just, I mean, I agree with you. I think it's very obviously manipulated.

I'm just on the fence of whether it was created or used, you know, but I mean, I think preview that are not as quick to feel that's the case. Is there any other points you want to add that are, you know, stand out, obvious.

The whole thing. It just takes me back to, it just takes me back to George Carlin. Like, when he says, like, when you're born, in this world you get a ticket to the circus and when you're born in america you get a front row

seat and i just keep thinking about that with trump it's and and i never had any i never had t ds i never was i had my reasons for not liking him but they were always anchored in reality and in personality types and things that he had done it wasn't like he's a fascist you know um but but now it's it's a different i mean so i never had respect for him but now i have uttered contempt for him for what he's done across the Middle East. And I don't care if you're being manipulated by Israel. Everybody's being manipulated by Israel. That excuse is not going to work with me. You're a big boy. You got into politics. You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. They had the conversation with you somewhere along the way and you said fine. So you're a big boy.

And if they've got the goods on you, too bad. But if you're going to destroy the entire world so that the Greater Israel Project can continue or that the goods on you don't come out until two years from now instead of tomorrow or whatever, then I just have zero respect for this administration. So whether the shooting was there doing, Israel's doing a combination of the two, I don't know, I don't know, but it's just so par for the course with this cartoonish group of thugs who are also simultaneously Hans Grubering the Nakatomi Tower building through their crypto scams. Right. So the whole thing is like, it's like every component of it is giving ammunition to the left.

The left is just sitting there going, right. And we tell you. And it's like, yeah, oh, yeah, you did. I'm in agreement with you. You did. You said he was awful. He's awful. Yeah.

But you didn't say why he was awful. You didn't say the. the real reasons why the guy is awful. You made up dumb ones. Like, he's a fascist or he grabs him by the pussy or whatever. All these other things. Like, you forgot about all of the real reasons in which this guy was a horrible monster.

And there are plenty of them. But did they forget? Right. I think you probably agree with me. I think I would argue that that's just the construct, right? Whether the Pelosi's are even aware that they're being used or not, the construct is clearly about, like, you know, well, the left committing genocide. Let's give Trump a chance.

Well, that's logical. But if you're paying attention, it's just going to cycle around. Now Trump's the genocidal one. Now Trump's breaking over the left said he's bad. Yep, let's get the left a chance. Well, didn't we just come from there? You know, it's like, you know, I call this stuff out. You know, but the point is it's easy to see why people who don't know what else to do are going to go,

well, they're obviously right now bad. They might not be tomorrow. You know, and it's like this is just the laziest, you know, and people I really think are starting to at least get tired of the obvious fucking hamster wheel that we're stuck in. Sorry, Kurt. But, you know, the overall. thing to me is, you know, the Israel point is one thing that you could consider, you know, like outside of the points we discussed, you know, there's something very much that we should

consider that this might have just been something that was done to push Trump in a very clear position, you know, like Israel saying, do what we're telling you. Now, I'm not sure if I even think that's the most likely, but it's worth considering, you know, and so the larger point is just that it's so obvious that these things are being used even if they were organic and it's just dishonest, the whole thing. Suddenly it's all the left is deranged. Have we even, are we even sure this is the guy? No, he hasn't even been found guilty yet. And it's already, oh, we know it, like with Charlie Robinson and all the rest, you know, and then what's even funnier, Eagle Guntherman and Matt Walsh, and it's like, like, Guntherman put out this thing with all the uppercase,

lowercase, like, it was staged liberals. And I'm like, you guys would literally jump at a shadow at everything that happened and called stage, and we should consider that. But, you know, it's like this broken dynamic, but all that aside, you mentioned Butler. Just a brief point on it, because we've talked about it for death, but, you know, it's interesting, how much it's become like, don't we all just fucking know that, you know, right? So do you really think it was staged entirely? Well, you know, that was that was one event that I took a hiatus on. That was right when my mom got sick and I moved to Vegas to take care of her. And I kind of said, I'm going to, I'm going to leave this to the rest of you guys. And I didn't do a deep dive on it.

And I don't know the ins and outs of it too much. I know that I know that in my rational mind when you get shot in the ear, there's damage that is left over in the aftermath of that and it doesn't heal quickly. So I have problems with that. That to me is the building seven of this, the whole narrative. You know, and so, and again, and it goes back to pro wrestling and wrestling looks real. And when I saw the, when I saw the picture, I went, you know, the standing of the picture and the perfectly framed. And, I went, wow, man. That's like a, I mean, I know they reenacted the Iwo Jima picture, but, you know, it's kind of like an Iwo Jima moment. And I just thought or, you know, Vietnam War, the lady running with the napalm. And, you know, one of those, those images and you go, that's going to be used forever. They're going to use that image forever. That's a little too good to be true. Perfect position for the shot. I mean, you couldn't have drawn that up any better. So. So when you, it, when you, it takes me back to the, the film, the firm in Wilford Brimley's

character who has that legendary line where he just says, you know, Tom Cruise or the one guy, Gene Hackman looks like, what's your problem? Like, why are you like this? And he says, I get paid to be suspicious when I've got nothing to be suspicious about. Right. And that's kind of how my default setting is now. There's a shooting. I'm suspicious. Not that, I can't, believe someone would shoot the, my default setting is it's a fake shooting or there's something, there's some non-authentic component of it. Let's start from that position. My starting position is never, oh, a deranged gunman on his own really took a gun, snuck it through security, and took a shot at the president. It never starts there. That was never even a consideration for me.

But in terms of like the deep dive into it and trajectory and this and it's like, that's out of my League. I can't do it. I just know enough to know that if you're asking questions about the morality of the situation, would Donald Trump agree to a situation like that? I think the answer is absolutely he would. There's no moral line he wouldn't cross like, hey, that's, you know, like, I don't know about those guys. I don't think that would be a comment. The question is just how was it done? and we know who benefits from it. I mean, we know. And it doesn't even have to necessarily benefit Trump, although it did.

It can just benefit gun control narratives, which is kind of both sides. You know what I mean? It's an ample thing to gives you one more piece of ammunition, you know, to say either way. Either the bullet hits him, right? Let's just say it was a real thing. It hits him and he's dead, then gun control or it misses him and he's alive. Gun control, right? So the answer is always control the gun.

or introduce more vaccines or whatever it is, that's the answer, no matter what, then you replay through the scenario and see how you get to that answer. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I agree. We should always ask these questions, you know. I mean, I very much went through it at the time. And, you know, as I said, there was obvious examples of things that were, I mean, the ear alone. Or one of the points that I felt like, you know, there was, it became a very large talking

point well after this. It was something we talked about right in the beginning. I'm not going to say I was the first one. but what was interesting is you got a lot of pushback, which even though it was very obvious, but like we tend to because you get the partisans who will defend the narrative, even though they're the ones fighting the deep state, you know, they defend the government narrative. But what's interesting, though, is that you could very easily prove this, like literally mathematically angles, whatever, that you could prove that where they at least said he was,

or even where we know he was, which is the different point, you can see very clearly that where Trump was looking, because you looked and went at the, at the big thing, it was impossible, literally impossible to hit the part of his ear where they claimed it was shot from. And it's like, okay, done. Like for me, I'm like, okay, I'm not going to say I know everything of the story, but right there, that's done. Like there's no way around that. And, you know, and yet it got very, you know, people did all the different angles and

different things and showed, but or the fact that you can clearly see that there's no mark. I mean, you know, so you could argue that something happened and then he lied about it, but then how do you explain the blood or how do you explain the timing or the, you know, the whole thing. You have to admit to yourself that something was manipulated there. You have to, you know? And so it's just so wild to me.

But that's where we left it, you know, at the time. It's like, it's obvious these are happening. But it's, you know, and then of course, don't forget, you have examples where like Alice Jones came out and put that fake video out that showed the ear thing and it was all inverted and the image was the other way around or a lot of them did that. You know, it was actually a flipped video. So it made it look like something happened on the other side. It's like, it's just crazy.

Then just overwhelm the conversation. But today, for whatever reason, it's suddenly bubbling back up and people are like, obviously. And I think that's an example. think that's a feature. I think that's a bug. I think that's a thing that it's the system turning against them, if you will. You know, I mean, would you read it the same way or do you think that's maybe part of it is they want us to talk about it? I just don't see how that fits into their objectives, you know? They need to get different script writers because they're starting to have some of the, there's, there's too many similarities. You know, there's going to be people looking for things

like this. They have to understand that. They have to know that. So, you know, the, the similarities make me crazy, but I'm also not surprised by it too, because you start to see, well, if you're good at pattern recognition when it comes to false flags and things like that, you'll start to catch some things. And this feels a little bit like one of them. Narrative management by the media, the media trying to take control. And, you know, look, all I needed to hear was, for any of these, is manifest. Right? As soon as I hear manifesto, I just go, come on. Expected from everybody who ever shot somebody. It's very weird.

Yeah. Yeah. I did that one time. I did that with the San Bernardino shooting when I was, I had just turned on the couch and my mother was sitting next to me and it was like breaking news. And I turned to her and I muted it. And I said, I'm going to tell you five things about the shooting. You know, that that will happen. And if I could tell you all five of them, will you believe me that this is a stage shooting? or a false flag or something. She was like, yeah, absolutely. One of them was manifesto. And of course, it was, and I said,

none of these people are going to live, but they're all going to get killed. There'll be reports of, of shooters that look different, that had military fatigues, but those people won't ever be arrested or anything, but the people, I went through all five of the things,

and within 24 hours, all five of the things had been checked off my list. And she said, you, she goes, I believe you. She goes, there's no way to explain it. If you can call that out, and if you recall in the San Bernardino thing, when it came to the manifesto, they allowed the media into the crime scene, into the house, into the apartment.

And there's like a video of like 10 members of the media just mulling around picking out. Look at the, what's this? Looking in his cabinets and everything. It's like, and they said, oh, his apartment was a veritable bomb making facility. It's like, so you invited the media in? I mean, on the one hand, I'm, you know, the one hand, go ahead. But on the other, it's like you, the bomb factory. And there's two media in that, right?

One was which that was, that was in the midst of the ongoing investigation, which Oh yeah. Make any lot sense of, you know, they're wandering through. And remember what they, one of those videos and literally framed it like it was somehow organic was like going like this and was like, oh, look, there's the passport on the table. I literally did that in that very video. I was like, I can't believe. Yes, he just happens to be perfectly lined up.

You know, it's like, it's so obvious. You know, and I don't know if that is an example of this kind of flound, like the growing and competence of the government in general or the FBI in particular, which is even more worse, even worse today. But yeah, it's just, it's, it's easier and easier to see these things, you know. And it leads you to a place where you can ask a normie, look. Yeah. If this is a lie, what else is a lie? Right. You know, if you can catch them on one of it, you know, if they're telling the big story, you know, about whatever the event is, and there's one component of it. And you go, that's just a lie. That is not true. You ask, why would they lie about that? And if they're willing to

lie about that one insignificant part of this story, isn't it reasonable to think that they're willing to lie about the entire story, that the whole thing is maybe made up? So if you can get people to to acknowledge that, I mean, like I suppose like lawyers do, you know, cross-examining somebody like, don't you admit that, you know, so you admit that you were not telling the truth on the morning of September 10th or whatever. So, you know, but there's just different ways to, when you have the eyes to see these situations, you see a different situation. You see a different, you know, you see it, you hear a different narrative from the media. The words mean something different to us than they do to other people, you know, like when you hear them saying things like

sources close to the president's thinking said that Iran was intending to launch a attack tonight and anything you go sources close to the president's thinking like some guy you talked to it like what are we talking about here like CIA obviously yeah but like we're not even listening to like you want to grab your your friend to go listen to the words that came out of that reporter's mouth and you tell talk about a vague barnum statement you know listen to this again like if we could just get people to get out of that like autopilot mode where they're hearing, they're listening to the news, watching news. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's like, no, no. Words that they're saying in the news are very specific and unique. They're not accidental. They're very vague in some places. They're very specific in others. And they're manipulating to make you feel a certain way. And if you know that like a magician, it doesn't work as well on you. And for those that can't see it, man, it's like,

I had a buddy same with COVID. I asked him about, how do you explain that flu deaths just up and vanished in 2020? And he goes, masks. I go, well, then why did COVID deaths or why did COVID cases go to 38 million?

He goes, dude, I don't know. Right. I go, yeah, you don't know. Your logic failed after one question.

Like, maybe, maybe the solution, Ryan, is that, is what, is what you what you always say question everything but like really question it like ask and they don't even have to be like colombo style questions they can be just basic follow-up questions and and because

I don't think the answers make sense to people anymore and I think that's maybe what we're also feeling is that they've been able to answer the questions with these nonsensical vague answers and Barnum statements over the years, but now after decades of a lack of accountability and a frustration with people's own personal situations, financial and otherwise, it's just we're going to need a better answer than that. Yeah. And I think what people are, like what you highlighted right there is one of the many reasons why people are like organically waking up or whatever you want to call it, you know,

because you just can't, you know, after many false promises and every old thing, we talked about. You know, it's just, it's just too much. That's why after every one of these agendas, you're, I think more and more people sort of just standing back and going, okay, you know, now I see what they were talking about, right? Now I get it, you know, and once you see that, you just can't go back from that. It's just like you look like you, you know, when you finally see what the corporate media is, it's like watching a cartoon. You look back and go, how did I ever think these people were genuine, you know? And it's happening, right? It really is. And so on that point of just kind of like the false effort to make you think, which is just,

you know, they're drowning in their lives, but they need some people to think that they might be getting what they were promised. So there's a lot of these new indictments coming out. The last time, James Comey, Letitia James, at last I checked actually, the Bolton one is kind of lingering. It's supposed to like be dealt with next year. I doubt it will go anywhere. But they failed. And as I said, the moment these came out when I got to look at the actual indictment, I said, these look like they're designed to fail. You're going after this guy who, by the way, is a criminal in my opinion and should be in prison for things that you know you can't verify in court that are subjective that are men you know whatever and and same thing with leticia james i also think this should be in prison and here we are

where they got dismissed right so now they have another one coming back around and it's about the stupid seashell post on instagram you know and i'm like it's just and if you go through it it's obvious this is not going to stand up right and or any of the other ones that uh what were the other ones i just saw um you know dr dav david marins from and of course we're talking about the COVID lies but you're going after somebody who's not vouchy Somebody who actually, they argued in front of Congress already, it didn't even operate under Fauci. Like literally somebody who can scapegoat if it needs to be and not affect anything of the actual, like no real change because Fauci ties to Trump and everybody else, you know? So I think all these are designed to fail.

I think the idea is about trying to get people to jump at it. So what are your thoughts on the indictments themselves? Do you agree with me or not? And then, you know, why do you think they're just, you know, bad writers, I guess, just doing the same thing over and over? Well, the indictments are perfect for Trump. because they look like something, but they're not actually going to be anything, which is the perfect encapsulation of him.

So he can pretend like he's getting tough on these people, who rightly deserve to be dragged in front of the court of law or something. But they pick out of their vast array of crimes that they could go after these people for. They pick the weakest ones, the ones designed to fall apart, the ones designed to have very little teeth, if anything were to happen, it's, you know, I mean, it's not, nothing's going to actually come of it. And even if it does, the next president, it'll, you know, pardon it.

And that's just how it goes. So, but I think what, what it accomplishes is it gives the impression that, that they're doing something about the corruption inside the government. I mean, for those who love Trump, he's getting, he's going against the deep state, right? For those who are Republicans, he's getting the Democrats. If you're a Democrat, he's the worst guy in the world. He's going after his sworn enemies, right? But then the case will fall apart or nothing will happen of it in the end. And Comey or any of those perpetrators will walk free, any of the high level people, because they do.

That's the way the system is designed. It will look as though they tried to put him away, but there was really no there there. and so they were innocent and they walked. And he'll go on a book tour. And the Democrats manipulated it or something, you know, and which I wouldn't even disagree with as a possibility or that they do that, but this is just, you know,

not the reality. It was designed to fail, you know. It's, I think the whole thing is so, so insulting, you know, and talk about wasting money and time and resources and all of this,

you know, but like, so do you, what do you think from Trump's perspective? Do you think he's aware of that, is your opinion? Or is this, like,

Because I think one thing I go back and forth on is whether he is just being played by his inner circle, the Whitkoff and Kushner is just feeding him, you know, everyone loves you. And anything you see like that is a lie from the Democrats. I see a world in which he could absorb that. And like self-preservation style convince himself that he's loved by everybody, you know? So do you think that's, you aware of that in your mind? Whenever I think of what Trump is capable of doing and how he really behaves, it's, I think about the time he was giving that speech in Washington.

at some, I don't know what it was, some luncheon. And he asks for Bill and Hillary Clinton to stand up. And he said, they're such great people. I just, you know, you people, you're the best. And I watched that and I just go, you spent like the last year calling her every name in the book, which she deserved. And I believed you, you felt that way. So what is it? You know, like, is she, is she great? Are they great? Is this all part, you know, is this part of behind the stage where, backstage where you guys are taking off your makeup and you're all laughing about, about the show? I don't know.

It's just that, you know, everybody seems to know how to manipulate Trump. And the word on the street has always been that Trump's opinion was based on the last person he spoke to. And so if that is the case, and I believe that there's probably is, is at least some truth to that, you need to be the last person he speaks to on everything. And that I think is the reason why his handler, Kushner and Whitkoff are there involved in all these things because when it's, when it's the last, you know, it's the last voice, then then maybe it's the loudest. And it's, and of course, we know what that voice will be saying if it's those two guys. And, um, And of course, they know how to, they know how to, to minute, you know, you've, everyone's got a friend who you know, you can push their buttons and get them riled up and everything. And Trump is that guy who they know how to, how to, how to make him, how to make him tick. And so, and that gets weaponized and used against him. And, and let's also throw in one other component that I don't think enough people talk about is, I believe that Trump is heavily medicated as well. He's on a, on a cocktail of something. You know, what's funny. This has been. bubbling up in the conversation and I do agree with I think that's the reality one because he's an old person and I guarantee he's on plenty of stuff just like Biden was or the idea that

most of them are on like uh uh like not what's the word I'm looking for like things that enhance them like so they can yes yes exactly but at the same time though in a way it can be used to sort of give a pass for some of his actions sort of like the Israel point but also at the same time it seems to take away some of the agency around the other influence right like his choices in regard to, like, as if somebody's drugging him and using him. It does seem, it's like, you know, I think it's a, it can't. You don't need to. Go ahead. Yeah, it's the reminder of, well, you don't really need to.

You know what I mean? Like to get him, we don't want to say that it's the drugs making him crazy. He's plenty crazy on his own. Don't get me wrong. But if, but if you're somebody who has been, and I say, you know, amphetamine, like that, that sort of, of, these people are go, go, going, you know, I mean, this is, not a secret. This has been used. I mean, Major League Baseball players were popping greenies forever, right? This is a thing, right? And they compromise your cognitive functions, especially if you do it

for a long time, especially if you're old. So he's got an important job, and he's very busy, and he's very old. And that is a combination that doesn't seem to go well together without chemical enhancements. And so I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility that some of his decision-making, is is is uh affected by that but i i want to be careful not to be dismissive of his behavior and and say oh that there's some sort that that's the reasoning for it it's like well is i think i look at it more of is like a contributing factor like it's not helping his mental health and his mental health is in disarray as evidenced by some of the tweets which may or may not be his, but whoever is doing them, the capitalization of words that don't need to be capitalized

and the screaming and the ranting and the unhingedness and the punctuation, that looks like a person who's in distress mentally. So I'm, you know, it's not, I'm never going to give this guy a pass, but I do think that there probably are some contributing factors, not to mention the fact that there's people standing right over his shoulder, making him, you know, heavily influencing his behavior. and reminding him that he does, you know, he has bosses. And I know he loves to argue, and I'm not going to say I know otherwise. He's probably, I mean, honestly, my gut would say about alcohol, for example, he's probably telling the truth.

That's pretty widely around him. But, you know, it's funny how we just, you know, first of all, for a person, but let's just say a government, because that's more nonpartisan, but he, in personal sense, is a very dishonest person if you're just not blind to my partisanship, but for such a dishonest government, you know, people that lie to you like they breathe, why we would just go, oh, well, Trump tells us, does it. he doesn't drink alcohol. Well, he says that.

Who's to say he doesn't get wildly drunk in his personal time when nobody knows? It's like he's funny how we just let them, you know, but drug use. Same thing. He tends to suggest or argues that he just, he's just straight edge all the time. You know, I don't know. I find that hard to believe. Like, okay,

even further, let's just say he doesn't do recreational drugs, but he's, you know, pumped up full of everything, anti-sinility drugs and everything else. At the same point, guys, they have all sorts of mental cognitive effects,

you know, this is very interesting. Yeah, it's, the drug term is, you know, in some cases, I think a lot of people are thinking, oh, he's on alcohol or, you know, downers or something. It's like, no, there's an entire host of products that he could be on amphetamines, things that keep you, keep you going, enhance your cognitive function, but have a downside that make you sleep for 12 hours or whatever. You know what I mean? So this, he's on the, he's a rock star on the road,

you know, you know, it's like, take this shot to get on, you know, get on stage. And, and, and, and, that's reality. That's been happening for a long time. But I wonder about moving forward, though, there had always had enough supporters who were willing to have his back, no matter what he did, really. And I wonder if that is going to be the case moving forward because I don't get it now. I don't think that the MAGA movement who was blindly supportive. I think their support is conditional now, a little bit more conditional. This is what I say about that. And I think this is important.

It's just my opinion. But I think the important thing to highlight is in a left or right sense, that Americans are people, you know, that most of them are not just like people in any sense who would act against their own interests. You know, like that's just I think most people want what they want and politicians lie to them. That's the majority. I think we can all generally agree left and right. And so in the sense of MAGA, well, most of them, if we're accepting that as a reality point for this conversation,

wanted what Trump promised. And that's not what he's giving them. Right. So there's a section of that group which will go, whatever he says today is what we want. But most of them clearly wanted what he promised, and he's not giving them that. Now, whether or not we disagree with what they think will make America great again,

I think they wanted to make, I think that's what they thought they were doing. And so now they're not getting what they were promised. think most of them are fed up with it, have been for a long time. But yet the mainstream points to the Alex Jones and Nick Soters the world as if that is what the right is doing. And same thing the right does with the left. And it's, I don't think that in any way represents the majority of Americans today. Like that's the paradigm shift that we're going through. That's why I think all of this is, you know, they're desperately pushing for the, like, you know, whatever they're going

to reimagine everything into, our political system, our governance, our society, everything. You know, and so that, that's kind of how I read that is it's, you know, and I think that shows you like what we're talking about. Like, this is why people are thirsty for the work that we're putting out. They want true. They want honest, nonpartisan engagement, even if they just came off the cusp of this two-party illusion because they see it. Now, maybe that's a bit hopeful, right?

But I think there's a huge element of that. And we've talked about this many times on this on the podcast, you know? If you're a Trump supporter or somebody who wanted the things that he said he was going to provide, you have to be honest. Yeah. You've been had. You know, you were told something by a guy who is a professional liar, and he manipulated you and he used you. Now, how you feel about that in the aftermath is up to you. I personally, in a situation like that, would be extremely offended that I was lied to and manipulated by somebody like that.

I'd be mad at myself for falling for it, but I'd be mad at the person for putting me in a position to use my goodness, to weaponize my goodness. my belief that this person was going to actually do what they said they were going to do. You got me to believe you. You know, you've turned me into a bit of a sucker. You made me a little bit more cynical. So maybe the Trump people, maybe they just, this is their turn to go through the cycle of disappointment, as we all have. They were optimistic and they went in there. It's going to be different this time.

He doesn't have another reelection. They tried to put him in prison. They tried to kill him. He's going to get it. He's going to do all the right. He's going to lock them up. And then it didn't happen. And now you feel like a clown and you need to sit with that and you need to realize that you believed him and you shouldn't have done that.

And now that's a problem. But it's one thing. But if you continue moving forward in life, believing politicians, then that, then that's on you. then that that really is you're going to get whatever you you deserve because if you if you can't see it now with trump as a trump supporter like what's it going to take yeah yeah i agree i mean that's that's the real but again i'm of the mind that that's where you know the people that are still supporting him are vast vast majority of them are the people who don't care about it's about team sport politics and the vast vast majority of the ones that i think is the majority who are

calling him out are the ones who are aware of that they didn't get it. But there is, I'm sure, middle ground of people who are, you know, not sure yet, who see Alex Jones saying maybe and maybe we should. I'm excited if you saw recently, the same thing, not just him, but he's just like the largest element in all of it. He's now saying, well, we should support Trump for the midterms. And I'm like, didn't you just say he was occupied by a foreign government? You know, it's just, I expected this, though, you know, that they fall back into it because, as he said, but the left is crazy. So effectively choosing the left is more dangerous than a foreign power is real occupying the government. Apparently that's what he thinks.

you know but so they but those people go well you know i don't know and it's more of an insecurity thing or a want to being part of a group thing but there's a lot of that too you know it's it's i think it's a small minority but we're talking about millions and millions of people you know it's it's very interesting though but i'm glad to see that people are starting to come around with all this you know it's i was actually just looking for a post that i put out i'm going to try to find that now i want to talk i want to look at that again in 2016 basically when trump was was was being elected and i wrote the story it was about i think i thought i wish i remember what it was called it was basically the point of what they, what they did was take, they reached a bunch of people that had largely been

not politically motivated, right? They tapped into this, this mob of people who didn't, who, you know, the world, the political world began in 2016, didn't understand about the political machinations and everything before, you know, and I, and I, I didn't, I wasn't about insulting the people, but it was about the idea of what it represented. It's like I said, a woke a dumb sleeping giant, right? This thing that just lumbered into the political process. And I think that what we're seeing is how that's been used. And what you highlighted is it's now starting to recognize that it's used. I think that's a very powerful moment. You know, it's like we've all been played before. You can recognize, you know, it's about acknowledging that and what your next steps.

You know, it's always about how you get back up after you fall that really defines who you are, you know. And I put the cue people in the same category of that because early on, it was one of those things. It was very seductive. And it made sense. And it was accurate to it to a point, right? And it was information that was pretty good, but there were some issues with it. And if you fell into that ideological trap and you got sequestered off to the side and told trust the plan and you waited and you wasted the entire first term waiting, then you have to recognize that you got played. And you get essentially sort of like you get a pass. You know, like the first time around, it's like, oh, I understand. But if it becomes a pattern where you can't see it the next time, you know, because if we all,

all did. We all thought that this time was going to be different only to find out that it wasn't. But once you come to that understanding of how the game is really played, you won't be as disappointed, I think, moving forward. And maybe that's the next phase of maybe there's a chunk of the Trump people, obviously not big enough, you know, because as you say, the team sport component and the wanting to be part of a group will always drive human behavior. But for those people who liked Trump, Trump wanted him to do what they considered to be the right thing, only for him to do the exact opposite, and then get called stupid and labeled all kinds of horrible things by him insulted for having the audacity to rightly see that he was not holding up his end of the bargain.

Those people need to be reminded that they don't have to go to the left, right? Like, their assumption is, I can't play for this guy anymore. I got to go play on the other team. Nobody's saying you have to do that. You're not going to do that. You don't have anything in common of those people. If you're a maga, you're not going to go join the left. Like that I'm just reminding people that they don't have to pick between two sides.

And that there's an, there's an option. You can sit it out. You know, you can say I'm not participating in this. Whatever this charade is, this theater of government, I'm not participating in it anymore. It's, it's nothing but frustration and lies. and I get angry and I and all, you know, and so for the people who've had that epiphany, like it's very powerful to know that you can walk away from this stuff. Like you can, it doesn't mean that the problems are going to go away, but like you can

extract yourself and you don't have to be playing team sports and that it's not just red team and blue team. Like there are other options out there. Infinite, right? So my point, checking out is definitely, why I would argue, I mean, clearly just completely checking out and not caring is definitely an option. That's your prerogative. Or you could choose to.

not participate in the broken system like we discuss and recognize that that is a valid choice who is politically active and recognizes your choices aren't being represented. One could be abstention that they choose not to engage with. But there's a lot of different elements to that. I would argue that, you know, like the point being is that if you don't look at it as a two-party system and recognize there's any number of different people or infinite amount of stances, you know, amongst it that, you know, are issues and points and not about the team thinks this and I have to go in that direction, you know, but that ultimately the past, you said, like, you know, if you got tricked, you get it. I would argue that that's always the case. If you, you know, we can, everybody can be fooled,

right? You and I will wake up tomorrow and we could get tricked by the next lie. Certainly possible, you know, I doubt it before, you know, anyway, we're questioning everything and being objective. We'll see it eventually. But either way, we could be fooled, right? And so the point is that it's about, like I said, how you then stand up next. If the next day, I argue what you and I would do is go, looks like we were fooled. Here's what the reality looks. looks like it is. And that's the reality. That is honorable. That's, that's, you know, everyone can make mistakes. But doing it through and fixing it is, it shows you that you have integrity and principles. And that's just not what this system is doing today. You know, and that's, that's what you.

So the point obviously is own it. Admit, you know, recognize it, call it out, own it, move forward. You know, that's, you don't want you to do, you know. Yeah, learn from it. Yeah, don't, don't allow yourself to be so emotionally manipulated by this stuff. I mean, it's, it really does you a lot of good to understand how the system works a little bit, because if you understand that, then it doesn't feel like magic tricks anymore. You sort of see it coming in advance, and you can go, okay, I'm not going to,

I'm not going to be manipulative. I'm not going to feel a certain way about this. I caught myself today, Ryan. Actually, I saw, as I walked through the kitchen, there was a, my wife had the news on local news, and I heard them talking about a story how they had voted down a bill that was going to invest gate flock cameras and that they and that they you know and that the local colorot, Denver,

so and so said, we're going to revisit this issue next year. And I just laughed. I just out laughed out loud. I was yeah, right. And I just went and left and walked out of the room. Right. I'm in in that sense, I'm black pill. It's like you're not going to reexamine the flock camera thing next year. Not unless somebody like Jason Bassler's knocking down your door. You know, making you, making you do it, or not unless we, the people out there are, are forcing them to do it. And so there's some parts of this that I, I maybe know a little too much about how a system works. And that makes me, it's a bit frustrating where I go, oh, well, I already know. There's absolutely no opium for in me that that, that, that there's going to be some sort

of government solution to this, whatever the problem is. So, I mean, I guess people maybe call that black-pilled or reality- reality-pilled or I don't know, but The difference though is that, so I'm with you, I think our, and this is the history, their actions, the press, they show you that we should be going, well, most likely, they're going to lie to us. Most likely it's not going to go that direction.

The difference though is that we have hope that that, not in the sense of Hopium, where it's like just blindly believing nothing, but that we, if and when it would happen, that we would support that, right? And that we, our minds are open to the possibility that still can. We just acknowledge the reality of where we are. That's not blackpilled, right? That's just

engaging with the reality of the facts. And look, there may well be a point in which we get to a reality where it seems that it's inevitable. And we have to acknowledge that may be something that does happen. And that wouldn't be black pill to acknowledge that we're there. You know, it's like, these terms are so easily used to get people to ignore things right in front of them. That's what it seems like most of the time, you know? They were weaponizing that pretty good going against Whitney like a year ago with the with the black pilling and all of that. And it's like, look, you call it what you want in some pattern recognition, understanding history, extrapolating out where people realizing the behavior patterns of psychopathic people, understanding the agenda.

Like, sorry, but maybe I'm just working off a little bit too much information. It's not so much that I'm blackpilled. It's just, I just have a lot of information that I'm working off of. And some of it, the outcome I'm coming to is not rosy, but it's not blackpilling to say that. It's honest, you know, and it's also not set. in stone that the outcome is necessarily going to be bad. It's just, let's be honest about what we think it is. And therefore, we can get honest about fixing it and maybe it won't be as bad as it's going to be. But pretending, not having the eyes to see, not wanting to see it. Oh, that's a

catastrophe right now. We can't operate in that mindset. And you know that on the, you hit on the head right there. The crux of the point is that we, regardless of whether we are going, we're screwed, we're actively fighting to change it, to stop it. So the argument of Blackfield is you going, well, we're done, you know, we're all screwed anyway, why even try? That's what that's what that term means? In what way are we doing that? You know, even if we're going, well, it looks like we're going to, like,

absolutely 100% going to fail, but I'm going to fight anyway. That's still not Blackfield, right? You're still trying to affect change within the problem. So, you know, and this is just again, how these things are weaponized against us. And if you look at what we're talking about in the people calling us that, I mean, most of them are literally doing that to a large degree. right now. You know, it's just, it's so humorous. But again, this is why I think people have, are, whether it's our shows or anybody else who are doing similar objective, nonpartisan work,

it's exploding right now. And that's why you're getting all these people sort of trying to emulate. That's what they do. But it's, it's, you know, it's a truth light. You know, it's just not, it's just not reality. Truth light, yeah, coming to MS now. Yeah, exactly, right. But, you know, and there's, I, we, I was, we could talk about it in another, I mean, we could, for example, get into the Southern Poverty Law Center point. There's plenty we can get into. But I think, you know, it's all part of this kind of same conversation. I think it's a good place to leave for today.

I think that, you know, unless there anything else you want to, I'm in a rush, unless anything else you want to get into. The supply, demand, and balance of hate is a funny thing. Well, I mean, it's just obvious that we both talked about this ploy left and right, about funding, you know, extremist groups, about proxy, you know, like the moderate rebels and things like that overseas. It's not new. I mean, another story just came out about how,

they're basically, which we already know, funding and motivating these settlers in Israel to basically be the very thing that they're being, you know, to be the extremist lunatics. And it's just, this is literally their policy, guys. And so the point is it's not about left alone or anything. And it's also not about just the one thing they pointed at. They made it about unite the right, except they didn't really highlight that it was the Ozav movement that was doing that. You know, it's about trying to pigeonhole it on one small thing.

The left did it. Move on. Don't ask questions because if you do and you look further, it shows you a whole of government problem that they don't actually want to change. and mark my word, they're not going to change it. Southern Pauvey Law Center make it kick to the side, but it's going to continue from another place. You know, that's the way those things are used against you.

I always love these conversations, Charlie, because it's just like I say, a breath of fresh air with you, brother. You have good insight. Well, thank you. Yeah, I wish we were talking about unicorns and rainbows and how the weather is and all that stuff. But it just seems like right now,

if we're not at least paying attention to what's going on. And I'm trying to find that balance. between being inundated is tough, you know, because we're sort of in this realm of having this information around us at all times. I just wrapped up a book writing my fourth book. Nice. And thank you. And it was one of those things where you just, I realized that there were points along the way I had to just walk away. I had to just give myself several months of not being around the information.

because the information was so heavy and dark. Yeah. And I just thought, boy, you know, like, I got to find that balance between, like, working with the information and not letting it, like, make you feel like there's no hope or, like, make you feel like the odds are stacked against you or whatever. Whatever it can make you feel on the negative side. That was the difference with this book than the other ones is that I've had to make that calculation. for my own self-preservation that like sometimes you just need a break.

Seriously. I mean, you know, it's something that is so important in all this. And as much as it's, you know, I know I put too much of myself into this and just like a healthy sense. I think it's important. I'm willing to take the side, the, you know, whatever, like whether my life is forever changed because the government has me on a list or whatever it is or because I, you know, have issues with, you know, that don't have life outside of this or whatever it is.

I'm willing to take those consequences because I believe this is important, you know. But even though that's the case, I literally have written on my thing right here, like balance in all things. It has to be something we strive for, you know, and you're right. And it's like, this is one thing I struggle with with this as well. You know, it's important, I think, to keep on the information to be up to date. But there are times when I just have to put the thing in the pouch and just go, you know what, today's not today.

Like, I need to get out in the garden. I need to make sure I'm breathing fresh air. otherwise eventually there's all viszile out like everybody else like there's what I've seen just push too hard doing great work and then just burn out because it's just too much on their mind you know you got to find that balance yeah we're no use to anybody if we're if we're frazzled and you know out of out of energy there's a lot to be said for recharging we're going to need it you know for where we're going the uncertainty ahead I think it pays to have your head on on your shoulders correctly and and maybe that means

taking a walk around the block, you know, after you read an article that blew your mind, get outside and in some nature, and keep yourself and, keep things in perspective to the extent that you can, you know, and remember that like, you know, this is a marathon here. So pace yourself and take care of yourself. The most anarchist thing you can do is take excellent care of your body. And your surroundings, right? And you're a meeting environment, right? I mean, affect the change right around you. You know, I think that's so very important. And at the same time, on the way out, you know, to not, not to like artificially just

pretend to be happy, but but to try to add some positivity to your life. Like, don't over. And I mean that in where it's real, right? Like so my point is, you know, we can overfocus on the negative. And it's hard not to with all that's going on. But don't miss sight of the positives that are always there, like just the beautiful day outside or the family around you or the idea that as I'm constantly pointing out, as much as hard to see that I think what we're dealing with is a very positive.

There's positive change happening. I mean, we're seeing these partisan people suddenly go, oh, my God, I see things I've never seen before. How is that not a positive change? You know, it's like it is habit. But of course, the system that is dying within that is desperately trying to make you unhappy so you don't allow it to, you know, so you fight to save the broken system. It's like, that's at least how I see it.

So make sure you take a step back and acknowledge the positive things in your life, you know, at the very least, the community that you're in right now. now, all the people listening and all the people in Charlie's audience and my and the people that actually fight for you and your family and our communities, right? That's there. It always will be. So thank you, Charlie. I really always enjoy our conversations.

Brother, anything on the way out you want to say? Well, prep as much as you can, the act of doing that puts you in a better headspace and a frame of mind. So if you're feeling down or you're feeling blackpilled or whatever, start preparing, start to take advantage of this time and just in doing that it puts you in a whole another mental orbit where you start to feel better about your situation as opposed to fearful so for those who are who are looking to do that you know you're going to wish you could come back to this moment and grab everything you could out of the grocery store or out of

Costco or out of some prepper website or whatever you're going to wish you can come back to this time so take advantage of it you know do the things you know you need to do, do it now. Yeah. And I mean, and whether that's because the things are about to happen or that there's always inevitably something in the future that will necessitate you being prepared. You know, it's up to you. Decide that, you know. Yeah. And I said, what's the worst that happens? You're prepped. Yeah, yeah, right. Stuff you don't need. Exactly. It's, it's better, better to be prepared than not, right? But yeah, I thank you, Charlie. I think that's always

very important. And I think that, you know, it's, like I said, you know, you got to, the prepping part exactly is that, you know, it's something that you can take control of. You can feel that you have control of. And trust me, I get that. That's one of the hardest things a lot of this is that you don't feel like you're in control of these parts of your life when they're doing things that you know, that they're, whatever, the manipulation, whether it's the government, whether it's people around you. And so this is something that you can control and get prepared.

History has shown us that's always the case, the right thing to do. So thank you, Charlie. Always love our conversations. I think we're planning to do two months now. So we'll probably have another one coming and beginning next couple of weeks we'll plan afterwards. So thank you guys. And as always, question everything. Come to your own conclusions.

Stay vigilant. Anyway, welcome to the State Department. I think we have some interns in the back. Welcome. Good to see you in this exercise and transparency and democracy. Is that what it is? Sorry.

I thought it was an exercise in spin and obfuscation. All right. Can you tell us? my last briefing before vacation.