The Last American Vagabond - What The Hell Is Happening? w/ Charlie Robinson (4/6/26)

Episode Date: April 7, 2026

Joining today is Charlie Robinson, here once again to discuss the madness that is partisan politics, and the chaotic nature of the world today. Charlie will be periodically joining Ryan to discuss current events, political machinations, foreign policy blunders, and just good old fashioned two-party illusion naivety. Our conversations will be focused on whatever is most current in our minds as we do our best to decipher “what the hell is happening?”Source Links:(21) Glenn Greenwald on X: “You won’t hear a better 55-second description of MAGA and Trump than this: in terms of the perspective of any minimally honest MAGA supporter: https://t.co/6ox6uhH65k” / X(21) TheConcernedCitizen on X: “@TLAVagabond Check this out https://t.co/g8ulehFR3X” / XHFPDIb_agAASd3L (1200×1134)(21) Glenn Greenwald on X: “This excuse for cutting off all power and bridges to 96 million Iranians (the population we’re pretending to save) -- “they’re animals” -- is verbatim the excuse given by Israel as to why they were cutting off all food, water and fuel from entering Gaza (”they’re animals”).” / X(21) Eric Daugherty on X: “🚨 HOLY CRAP! President Trump just MIC DROPPED a reporter at the White House Q: How is it taking care of the Iranian people if you’re bombing? TRUMP: Yeah, who are you with? REPORTER: PBS. TRUMP: “Well, that’s a radical left group of lunatics if you will. Let me just tell https://t.co/e3hOfl4OjS” / XNew Tab(21) Amin Khorami on X: “Satellite images from March 28 show destroyed pistachio warehouses near Rafsanjan Airport in Kerman—the heart of #Iran’s pistachio industry. Iran was once the world’s largest pistachio exporter, but years of trade embargoes have allowed the US to cut into its market share. The https://t.co/7AvyuF3A8M” / X(21) Power to the People ☭🕊 on X: “Israel’s Ambassador to the UN: “We have the legitimacy to target civilian targets in Iran.” There it is folks… Israel openly and brazenly admitting that they target civilians, which is a war crime. https://t.co/hPjXKpgKvl” / XNew TabTrump’s Claims Of An Iranian Defector Belied By New US Proposals For Current Iranian Leadership(100) Truth Details | Truth Social(100) Truth Details | Truth Social(100) Truth Details | Truth Social(100) Truth Details | Truth SocialDonald Trump ‘has no interest’ in Kurds entering Iran war | The Jerusalem PostKurds could begin ground operation in Iran within days ‘after being secretly armed by US for MONTHS’ | Daily Mail OnlineU.S. Troops Were Told Iran War Is for “Armageddon,” Return of JesusNew Tab(21) Al Jazeera Breaking News on X: “Iranian media has published video showing the charred wreckage of US aircraft, worth more than $200M, in Isfahan. Iran says it destroyed them during a ‘failed US rescue attempt’, while the US Air Force says it destroyed its own MC-130J transport planes after a mechanical failure. https://t.co/xRLPTyCBrd” / X(21) Arnaud Bertrand on X: “So, if I got that right, here’s the narrative: - A US F-15E fighter jet got shot down over Iran, despite Trump saying 2 days beforehand in his nationwide address that Iran has “no anti-aircraft equipment. Their radar is 100% annihilated.” (https://t.co/4W6BNpJjoE) - The plane’s” / X(21) Arash Reisinezhad on X: “Emerging evidence suggests that U.S. operations south of Isfahan (marked in red on the map) were unrelated to any pilot rescue mission. The downed American pilot was reportedly located in southwest Iran, near Kohgiluyeh and Boyer-Ahmad Province (marked in blue on the map), not https://t.co/5pZezRrNYb” / X(21) Financelot on X: “The “downed pilot” was a fake cover story for a failed US military operation to capture Iran’s primary stockpile of highly enriched 60% uranium, roughly 440–970 pounds. The primary stockpile is located at Isfahan, exactly where the pilot was “lost.” This explains why the US https://t.co/cg32pgLmzi” / XNew Tab(21) The Solari Report | Catherine Austin Fitts on X: “Yup. Congress has the power to reverse. Why aren’t they?” / XGaza’s “Board Of Peace” Seeks To Reimagine The International OrderThe Fake Globalist Resistance Ushering In The Globalist PlanThe Network State Coup And The Engineered Transition To “Tech Zionism”Bitcoin Donations Are Appreciated:www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/bitcoin-donation(3FSozj9gQ1UniHvEiRmkPnXzHSVMc68U9f)The Last American Vagabond Substack is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to The Last American Vagabond Substack at tlavagabond.substack.com/subscribe

control exactly what people think and that is our job yeah what the hell is happening what the hell is happening our homeway making things happen the world is our state what the hell is what the hell is happening what the hell is happening what the hell is the best on the planet it's already what the hell we could step up the passion it's happening happening happening it's already happened the madness of the new cycle spitting the wheel of chaos Monday, April 6th, 2026, welcome to another episode of what the hell is happening with Charlie Robinson and myself to discuss, you know, what the hell's going on in the world, the madness that is every cycle and all the converging events and all the manipulation and all the constant propaganda. How are you, Charlie? I'm great. How are you? Happy Easter. Thank you. Good, good. You know, honestly, a lot of a lot of positive things going on.

You know, just like we, I've recently got some chickens and our gardens doing well. And, you know, the world outside of the media cycle seems to be pretty common normal. It's important to remember that, too, because we can get ourselves kind of all worked up about these events. And, you know, we should be aware of them for sure. But if it, if it starts to impact our physical health or our mental health or makes us, you know, difficult to be around because we're brooding and, you know, I don't think that that's beneficial either. So hopefully we can find that balance between being informed without being inundated in and being overwhelmed by this. Yeah, I agree. I mean, that's something I often point out about the, like being in this field and being aware, for example, of, you know, just to take out to go to the far part with it, you know, like things like a targeted individual, which are very real conversations, despite the fact that it seems there's a lot of people in that can't be verified or people that I think might be misled or whatever.

but the things that we know exist to the smaller degree like surveillance, you know, or, you know, whatever. These are real things. And so, but the point being is that even though we know it exists, and even to the degree that we know it exists and overlaps with people in the field and doing what we're doing, about whether that's being censored or suppressed or surveilled, it's never in your interest to assume it's always what's happening. Like it will make you go crazy. If at every shadow, everything happening, you jump at, go, oh, they're attacking me, they're censoring me, they're doing that even though it maybe is the case. if you think that, you're going to go crazy. You know, and it's like, it's something that I often tell myself because it's easy to fall into that.

It just because you, you know, you have to try to, you know, the point is if everything's always against you and everything's always bad and everything's always an enemy, then that's how you live your life. And that's not happy. And I don't believe that is the full picture, right? I don't believe that's all of it, you know, but again, even if it is, try to find some light in there, you know, but right now with what's going on with the Iran conversation and everything else with the COVID-19 change we saw with people starting to, you know,

to see things they haven't been, us talking about this quite often. You know, I wanted to start with a point today about the, the awareness of all of this, which I kind of think we can all just acknowledge that that's the cat's out of the bag, right? I feel like we've been hinting it, like, do you think this has, you know, or do what do you think about the amount of people that are seeing this or not? But let me play this clip and, you know, funny, it's just a basic guy saying things we've all said, but for some reason it's getting a lot of reach. And it just, it's, you know, kind of come to Jesus meeting.

Like, you were played. It's okay. We know it, right? That's where I think we are right now. and then we can talk about it. You didn't get a wall. You didn't get any arrests. You didn't get drain the swamp or America First.

You didn't get any new infrastructure, no $5,000 dose check. You didn't eliminate your national debt or get any help buying a new home or help with lower grocery prices or gas prices. It's quite the opposite, in fact. You didn't get a $2,000 stimulus check or affordable health care or any accountability for the Epstein files, which he promised when he said he was going to release them all to the public. And you damn sure it didn't get any, no more wars.

Now, what you got was conned, and you're too fucking embarrassed to admit it. You know, probably because I think the point, I can't confirm it, but I think the point is that the guy is, you know, he's a MAGA influencer himself, or at least influential in that community. And so him saying it has more meaning. But, you know, it's just kind of a, you know, you were played. Kind of a, you know, it's, and I don't know, what do you, what do you think from that? Why do you think it's getting influenced?

Q2, Electric Bugaloo. This is the same thing I said about the Q people. You guys got played. There's no shame in it, right? It happens to everyone. And, you know, as long as it's the only time it happens to you. But you need to recognize where, what you were told, why you believed it. And then you need to be honest that he didn't deliver on it.

He didn't deliver on it the first time. around either. That's why part of the reason why we kept saying, hey, you guys who are like, say this time is going to be different, like what part of the equation leads you to believe that? So if you're still in denial, you're never going to, you're never going to get anywhere. So I think that maybe the first step, you know, whether it's an addiction or, or you got duped with Donald Trump or you got caught playing three card Monty, you just need to admit that you've been had. It happens to everybody, right? just on different levels. Where you compound it is if you're unwilling or unable to admit that

you were wrong, that this happened. And you say, no, no, no, it's the arrests are actually coming. What you don't understand, guys, is that there's patriots are in control and you just go, no, man, none of that is actually happening. This is all a carefully choreographed presentation delivered to you to make you feel a certain way. But none of that stuff is happening. And the sooner you recognize this, the better off your life will be. And so, you know, I may not come out of the anarchist camp. We're like, they're like, red team, blue team, you know, which team you got, we got to get them in the midterms. We're like, we pass that. Maybe people need to, you know, the next conversation is going to be, well, you know, I guess we just need to really buckle down for

the midterms then. And it's going to be like, you're not understanding what's happening here. is all beyond elections. You're in the backseat with the kids steering wheel thinking that you're driving the car. That's what's happening in reality here. And people who are willing to acknowledge that, I think the short-term pain and frustration and embarrassment of being duped by that will be offset by the long-term benefits of just no longer believing this fairy tale. that you're going to vote the way out of this situation. You're just not going to. And I think that this is going to, everyone gets a little wake-up call, you know,

like if they have the eyes to see it, maybe for a new batch of MAGA people, this will be it for them. Yeah, I mean, I certainly hope so. You know, I do think it's been an evolving scenario, but I think that it's not, it's partly an illusion. You know, I think what we're seeing is this awakening that's been happening for a long time. And like, I think that we talked about that was a Q thing.

That was a rushing game. There's been all these different levels in, trips and mindset to try to stop people. And I think we're at a point now where they're just going, okay, it's just we can't, right? It's happening. People are changing. And I think that's what we come around to the conversation about why they're trying to rush to put together the next kind of control structure before we all wake up and realize we're just about a step out of the first one, you know, or however you look at that. But so this is where this next part comes into play, which I find really interesting. And all this is based on opinion, right? I mean, other than the

points we can prove, it's, you know, we're trying to kind of read how it all fits together. So make sure you understand that. But to me, this is a real. interesting addition to this. I think this is, so at one point you could have argued it was completely shut down and control. But as we're discussing, people are starting to see it and wake up and pull out and pull out of the illusion. And so I think what this is was one of these efforts to keep that lid on it or at least or at least lit on it or try to drive them back into it. Dennis Girl pointed this out. And this was Nate Silver is the one that actually did the research. I was going to say it didn't pop up. It'd be funny. It says these are the

Twitter X accounts with the most engagement so far in 2026. I suppose I had some intuition for how bad it was, but geez, this is what you get when an ecosystem is broken. And it's out, you know, it behooves you to go through and look at the actual, you know, all of it. But what's really crazy to me is just a look at this game, right? And what's, what we're talking about is, first of all, the awareness of the, you know, seeing that you were conned from Trump's position, the government at large, you know, not left or right if you understand it, but that you were played and lied to you about what was going to happen. Then you got all the Nick Sorders, Wall Street Apes, and Eric Doughterties and Eagle Gunthermans and all these people catch her with the massive

50, 100 million people influence who then just carry the and tow the line. And so that's not honest, right, because we've come to see that they are just a joke today. They're being made fun of by their own people. Where ultimately now the point is they just cheer, the red light, holy crap guys, I've come to call them now because every red light, holy crap. And they just repeat what they're saying. And I think that's being seen. So my point in all that is that this was an effort and an example of the controlling narrative with the AI algorithmic on addition, right? So this was an ability to stop people from being able to see that it wasn't the majority.

If you get what I'm saying. You know, and this is still in there for a lot of people because they think that represents the massive, you know, the amount of the conversation that is the majority and we'll come in and say something to prove them wrong. And yet you get the Elon Musk and the rest of them to stand up overshadow that growing awareness, you know. And I wonder if this is the end of organic reach or maybe a lot of. It's already happened, you know.

What do you mean? All this? Your whole feed is curated to match you, you know? You hand somebody else, your phone and or you swap phones with them. It's like living in a different dimension where everybody's, your social media, you know, depending on what you're into, it's these people will be served up to you. But the, the Israeli flags on it, I think is, is helpful here. We don't get these accounts.

I mean, I don't subscribe to any of it. of them. I don't follow, even on the 4U tab or the subscribe to whichever one, I get these people shoved into my face. And it's not because they were shared by somebody I follow. Like, that's a whole another angle to it though, right? So it's just being jammed into your face. And that's not whether you follow them or not. You know, so that speaks to something that's independent of what was already a control structure. That's like the Israel Zionism influence, I guess. That's how I would look at it. And then that proves that it's narrative management. Because if it were really about you, the person, those circles there would be all your best friends.

They'd be the people who you interact with the most. They'd be the people who stuff you're looking at. But they're not. I don't subscribe to any. I don't follow any of those people. They are forced fed. I see their post against my will. And so that tells me that that is being done on purpose.

Because I don't see the people who I want to see who I'm following. I never see them. But I can't help but see. people who I'm not following. So yeah, the the cat turds of the world and people like that. So, um, but maybe, maybe this is a, maybe, maybe for some people who are new to this, they need to see it. They need to, they need to, to experience this to, for themselves to go, oh yeah, you know, I know you guys were always kind of complaining about how rigged social media is, but now I, now I get it. Yeah, when I see five different accounts tweeting out the exact same thing,

that's obviously coordination. So they're not even maybe real people. So what is happening here? Well, the MAGA voice one, that one actually got exposed. That's one of the biggest accounts in that circle as a complete, like, after-trip account. There's like six versions of it.

They're all connected the same. But it doesn't even stop that. This is the whole point. That awareness, even in the Republican side of it, doesn't slow the growth of these accounts. So it's artificial, you know? And I'm not going to say there's not people that support them. I think there's like an ecosystem of people

that have just decided to support anything with a Patriot flag or a MAGA thing next to it as a DEGIS. default, right? But that's still not the majority, in my opinion. You know, so it just speaks to this alarming thing that's happening that goes beyond what was already happening, which is an influence propaganda effort to control our mind. But this goes well beyond that. And I was actually just talking with Patrick about this. This comes to the point of this kind of like Armageddon push, you know, telling the truth, we're fighting for Armageddon with this weird Zionist religious push

coming through our government, you know, to the point where we should be wondering whether that's even our government at this point. You know, it's an alarming point. Their ability, or desire to make the minority appear to be the majority pulls me into those psychological videos that they showed from like the 60s and 70s where they have, you know, where the guy gets in the elevator and everybody else in the elevator is facing the other direction and the guy doesn't know what to do. So he turns around faces the other direction too. You know that they know how to, you know, to manipulate people. And they know that it doesn't really require necessarily 51%, but they've got those numbers.

So if they can make that minority appear to be everybody in the elevator looking at the back wall, next thing you know, you turn around and look at the back wall too. And they, because they know that about us that we don't even know about ourselves or that we're in, oh, that would never happen to me. You know, next thing you know, you're in the elevator. So I think that there's a psychological, there's obviously like a Tavistock component to this that, that knows how to, knows that, you know, maybe. Maybe sirens, holy crap, is exactly the way you get people.

You know what I mean? It's got to have tested well if it's there. I mean, it's, it is a, like, you nailed it. Like, that is a, it's weird. You can call it out, like, it shifts between that and like, holy smokes. And you'll see them all, Jesse Waters and like this repetitive. So there's something feeding that, whether they know it's being, you know, they're just being told or so. But there's something that's deciding that is somehow getting the best reach.

So it gets emulated. And it's just such just such just weird artificial things. that just takes over the entire conversation. You know, but it's, it is, to the point about the elevator thing, you know, what's interesting to me is, so let's put ourselves in that position. If you and I walked into an elevator and it wasn't any, it wasn't like some politicized thing, you just walk in, you're going to an appointment. And you step in the elevator and people face the other way, you know, we very well might

just turn around, maybe because we think the door might be on the other side. Like, and that's the point, though. It's, it's about the, be unaware of the influence. But if you and I were to step into this elevator and it was just somehow clear that these people had a certain political inclination. You and I'd probably go, fuck that. We're going to, oh, I should have customers. I'm going to face it away by their opinions, but it's not knowing that you're being influenced that makes that effective. If you get my point. Yeah. Yeah. And we all think that we're, you know, somehow above it and that we can't be manipulated,

which, which I think actually makes us more susceptible to, because I think we have to be, you know, honest that we are being manipulated. It's a matter of degree. And if you're, you're aware of it and you know the tactics like you're more you're more inclined to to avoid it or say oh boy I feel like they're like I was get it for a while I my social media feed was nothing but large groups of black kids black guys beating up one white kid who walked in the wrong neighborhood or was getting beat up at school I was getting to showing that over and over and over and over again and and then it's one of those things it's like well you can't help but kind of watch it because it's being served to you and then it's like oh you like that you're watching it here's more of

that thing that you're like I'm not trying to watch it I'm trying to recognize that I'm being served this so I'm like hyper aware of it and so I feel like oh well maybe it won't have that impact on me too much but but still it you know it will you know it does in some some level right it's it's sort of a point of like like like I've said in the past just in a personal point you know that the biggest flaw is to pretend that you have none everybody has something that they're you know and so it's same kind of point right is that you pretend that you're just not able to manipulate, probably means you're more manipulated than anybody, right? If that's the kind of idea of the fools and fanatics, right? Well, we're always so sure of themselves, well,

wiser men, wiser men full of doubts. You know, it's, they, they all, it's, it's the false certainty. But it's, so it's important to steal yourself to that. We'll all get lost at something. You know, like we point out, there's a, if, if we do what, what we all do in this, you know, the questioning, everything, we're very careful to consider different possibilities. It's much, much, it's much less likely, but still can happen. But if you're the kind of person who's being led by the nose by certain commentators, well, then it's going to happen every other day. But, hey, if you're still questioning it, you'll find your way back. But it's about that starting point, you know?

So let's talk about Iran in this kind of a framing, right? And how the propaganda around this is just getting insane. So I want to carrying over from the partisan side of it, which this guy, man, it's, it's, this is exactly the point that Mario Knopfol just comes out of nowhere and is like this right-hand influencer category to Elon Musk. and it's hosting all these things and with all these different, you know, it's yet it seems roundly criticized by almost everybody, like even people that are sort of on his side half the time, right?

And so in this, like there was another one he just put out by basically saying, you know, that if Iran doesn't basically bow to U.S. interest, then it'll become the aggressor. And everybody was making fun of him. You know, it's like, that's the stupidest opinion. So it's coming out right now. People are starting and others are feeling, I think, confident enough to make the case who worked before. But here's what he put out.

It says a Q and A with Trump saying, how would it, how would it not be a war crime to strike a Ron's bridges and power plants? And Trump says, well, they're animals. And I just think it's like, how did we get here? How did they become so clear? Does he not, is he not aware? Does he not have advisors around him? They're going, whoa, man. Like, you're not supposed to say that part of it.

You know, I don't know. But let's watch this so we can discuss it. Mr. President, how would it not be a war crime to strike Iran's bridges and power plants? Because they killed 45,000 people. in the last month, more than that, it could be as much as 60. They kill protesters, they're animals. And we have to stop them and we can't let them have a nuclear weapon. Very simple.

They want a nuclear weapon. They've been trying for a long time. I stopped them with the Obama horrible Iran nuclear deal. I stopped him in a lot of different ways. So, oops. Sorry about that. Wrong button. And so, I mean, you've probably seen the discussions of, you know, I mean, we already

report on this, all of us. They armed the protesters. Now Trump's come out and just publicly admitted that. We already knew it. But so, you know, you can't pretend that this was not an armed invasion and all the, even though numbers are beefed, but I just don't get why he's not being more tactful with all this unless it's by design. What do you think? Does it can he be? Is he capable of it? I've seen him. I've seen him play, you know, I mean, look at the selection processes or whatever else. Like, I think he could be more tactful. He must be under immense pressure. There must be somebody in his ear saying this is not going well. You know, you watch what they did to Christy Noem, right?

They made her dance and sing and jump through hoops. And in the end, they used the blackmail evidence on her anyway, on our way out the door. They don't care. There's no loyalty here. I don't know why he thinks he's going to be able to keep these monsters off of him. If they're actually trying to make, if Trump is being manipulated, as people believe, into doing something against his will, you know, And at what point do we recognize that this is his, this is in his will as well.

I don't know that this is being done against his will any longer. That's because this is an important part of this. This came out, right? I think the first example that it was like owned to a degree by the side that was trying to deny it was when Rubio comes out and says, well, we had to because Israel is going to nuke her on. And then we were like, well, that's what we've been saying. And a lot of the right basically grabbed that to make the argument that it showed Trump wasn't responsible because they didn't want that to be the case. right? And yet it opened that door that I can't, like we've all been showing, has can't be shut again, is that, well, now you can see that Israel is alarmingly influencing

policy. And that's been spinning out of control. But, you know, it's, yeah, I don't know, it comes down to this point where you wonder what's really driving the bus, you know, what's really in control of it. It comes back to that larger point of the conversation. I don't know. I mean, it depends on what you think is actually, you know, is the religious side of this driving the agenda, or is the technocratic side of this? Is it a part of both? And I think it makes a difference on what you see driving the outcome, you know? Sure.

If the outcome, if we work backwards, we find out what the outcome is and then we figure out how they make it happen. What if the outcome is global famine? Because that or energy lockdowns or both. Yeah. Because we're here thinking it's Israel versus Iran. And of course it is in a very real sense. But what if that's the side show? what if the ultimate goal is the aftermath of this?

Because in the aftermath of all these world wars, what do we get? We get the League of Nations or we get the United Nations or we get some world governing, like, Board of Peace? Is that what? Angling to be the next United Nations in the aftermath of World War III? I mean, the war is one thing. The rules that are made in the aftermath of the war is something else entirely. Yeah. I mean, it seems clear that that is what this comes down to, some kind of a reorganization of the plan.

And I think a lot of this kind of stuff right here is just to get people to not pay attention to that. You know, what's really what's really the driving force behind this? Because, I mean, Trump is utterly drowning in the lies right now, like just in a spectacular way, just continually doing things that contradict what he said the day before. And back to you, what you're saying is that, you know, I mean, I've seen him be a little, you know, at least be more, you know, maybe it's his age. We shouldn't shy away from that possibility. He is old, but there's something else to it.

You know, it's like, this is where I pulled, that's why I was talking about the larger conversation is, I can't help but see this as something beyond what Trump is as a personality. You know, because we've seen his hubris, drive him. We've seen his narcissism. And yet somehow he's, if the mindset is that he's the one in control, that it ultimately is him making himself look that stupid. But to your point earlier, I think it's both.

I think it is a little bit of both. I think that Trump clearly is involved with this. So pretending like he's not responsible is just, I think, is lost. But I think we can, how about what you think? Do you think there's examples of Israel, like, let's just either say controlling or through manipulation, getting what they want and then having Trump not acknowledge that? Do you think that's happening? Oh, yeah, I think it's both.

I mean, I think that I think that Trump is willing to go so far. And I think Israel demands him to go further. I don't think there's ever a line in the sand that they won't cross. Maybe Trump has his lines in the sand here and there. But at this point, he waives his right to say, oh, I was an unwilling participant in this because he's been at it for a while. And his behavior in the aftermath, he doesn't look like a hostage. He looks like a willing participant.

Right. Right. So, I mean, maybe Marco Rubio in that hostage statement or whatever it was that he's, when he announced that Israel was going to hit them. Anyway, that maybe seemed a little bit more like a cry for help. Please don't murder me, you know, sort of thing. But what Trump's been saying in the aftermath of it, he, if it's all an act, he's been playing the villain perfectly, Ben. Because we're at a point now where, you know, I get it that maybe Israel has some sort of prophecy where they need the world to absolutely positively hate them.

but we don't as America we're not not guided by that prophecy why are you trying to get the world to hate us you know why because what we're doing right now is hateable and and and we're getting dragged into this because of our hypochondriac cousin in the Middle East who's who makes it this way and and has the goods on on our on our top levels of our government I think I think the Epstein files now make a lot more sense to people who are kind of like, what is this Epstein file? They're going, oh, you can start wars with them. Like, yeah. You can manipulate policy of other governments with them.

You know, like it's a control mechanism. You know, and so, but the other part of it, too, is this lie that people are undeniably seeing now that this was in any way some kind of humanitarian effort. I mean, that will be real. Of all the lies, that one was very difficult to sell from the onset. I think Americans have been very clear of what, you know, I think that was out of the back a long time ago. But to some people, they still want to fight for, or maybe they thought Trump would be the one to bring it back to the glory, whatever, right?

But to start this as we're saving the Iranian people. It was just hard to swallow in the beginning. But so now that's not even being like they're just, they're kicking that away. Like it's not even trying. Here's no engage with the media asking this question. And to understand this, the bigger picture to point, even Epstein you bring up is there's clearly a larger agenda that this was all tied to individual, individual interest of the U.S. government, Israeli, Israeli, who's to say? But it was never about the Iranian.

Yeah, who are you with? Let me just tell you, let me just tell you, a very fair question. The Iranian people, when they don't hear bombs go up, they're upset. They want to hear bombs because they want to be free. And the only reason they're not out protesting, you know that, is because they were informed that if they protest, like the wrestler and his friends, if they protest, they will be shot immediately. And that's an edict that's in writing. If they protested, if they go out in the streets, they will be immediately shot.

They don't have guns. You know, we sent some guns. But the group that was supposed to give, which I said what happened to my people, I said it, I called it exactly. We sent guns. A lot of guns. They were supposed to go to the people so they could fight back against these thugs. You know what happened? The people that they sent them to kept them.

Because they said, what a beautiful gun. I think I'll keep it. So I'm very upset with a certain group of people, and they're going to pay a big price for that. I'm sorry to laugh at it. I mean, what is, why can't we just collectively make fun of this person? Like, that's just the, oh, they're beautiful guns. He'll just keep the guns because, you know, it's like he just makes things up about everything he talks about.

It's mind-blowing to me. How we can't just be real about that. Anyway, to the point, what are you thought? His spoken word album is shitty. It's like William Shatner doing Rocket Man from like the 70. Perfect. And I mean, it's, I don't know. It's just, you know, it's, it's this kind of collective psychosis, like this willful delusion

that we all just pretend. I mean, even people like, they pretend to hate him often don't really go into. Anyway, you know, it's just something worth getting into because it's like we all know, but don't talk about it. But the interesting part of this, though, is obviously the first conversation about, you know, what about the Iranian people? Who are you with? Oh, you're crazy.

Like, for a literally to finish that question even matters, but that's the whole point we started it on. But then that you admit. that you armed, like, so your argument is that we tried to arm the protesters but didn't. So it's almost like he admits that it would have been a crime, but we didn't actually do it because these people took it. And what he means is the Kurds. That's because he's already made that case. I don't, and this is the reality of this at the end of the day, is that you know that we,

and we, oh, I don't think I have it. Oh, I do right here. That the Kurds were, that was a public discussion, right? That came out through Israel. All on my screen is a, oh, that's right. Sorry, it was freezing on me. Trump pragmatically changes course has no interest in Kurdish offensive, even though it was literally already happening, right? And Kurds could begin ground operation in Iran within days after secretly armed by U.S. for months. Right. You know, so the game becomes that he gave them to the protesters, but that wasn't supposed to be the argument. It was supposed to be that we armed the Kurds because that was the public discussion because you could argue that was an allied group, not a proxy.

So I don't get if he's confused about what he thinks he's trying to relay here or he's just off the cuff and he wants to be like, I was right. I called it. I don't know. Kurds. Protesters. They're all animals to me. It doesn't matter, Ryan. We're going to put them down like dogs.

It seems so crazy. It's a fourth turning. It's a clown show. It's, you know, it's what Carlin said. Born into this world, ticket to the circus,

born in America, front row seat. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so the point, though, is that to make sure people

understand, that they're admitting this to the point where now the evolution of it's changing, where it's, well, he did it and tried, didn't happen. And he's over here in reverse saying, well, I didn't want that to happen with the Kurds. So this, I think this is trying desperately to build some sort of a barrier between him and the obvious crimes they're taking place, you know, whatever that looks like. But you arm these protesters. And I think that has to be acknowledged because that means that this was not.

I mean, we know that Pompeo admitted that. Israel and Mossad openly stated they had people on the ground arming protesters. So how is this not an armed invasion? It is. It is. You were just speaking to Patrick Kenyenson. I caught him in Mexico right as he was getting to the hotel coming in from Tehran. He had been there during the protests in the aftermath of it to find out what was going on.

I said, well, what was it? They killed 50,000 protesters. He said, no. They didn't do any of that stuff. I don't know. It's like it was the exact opposite, of course. No surprise. But I think, you know, my fear.

So Trump is now trying to, you know, at first he was saying, well, we've got to liberate the Iranian people, right? Like he cares about the people, right? But in that didn't work. And that wasn't much of a sales pitch. But you've got to have a sales pitch for the American public to justify the war. You have to. You have to have a USS Maddox or you've got to have 9-11 or you've got to have a reason. You've got to have something. If you just have this, well, you know, they're bad. Bad guys there or aluminum. tubes like we did in Iraq. I mean, it's hard to generate. It's hard to rally around the flag. But what if you rally around the false flag? That is my fear for what's that the direction this could go. Because there's no there's no real support for this war from the general public. And nobody has, there's no clearly defined goals for the war. Everyone pretty much understands that it's probably Israel that wants it more so than us, you know, even just the casual fan. So if you're going to get people to actually support a much bigger war, you're going to have to have something happen. And I don't, I'm not trying to speak that into existence or give these

lunatics any ideas, but they know that. You know, they know that this is a situation that calls for a false flag. Well, it calls for an event to galvanize the public. And in the absence of an organic one, then plan B is the false flag. So if they're sitting around waiting for the Iranians to light off a bomb in Times Square, I mean, they'll be waiting a long time for that. But if you want someone else to pretend to be the Iranians doing it, well, my guess is that's probably on the drawing board somewhere right now. And at some point, they do another poll and find out that this war is even more unpopular

than Vietnam was or whatever. maybe the bombs start going off or something like that. So that's my real fear of this is that it does, because I don't know that this war is just going to fizzle out. Yeah, I don't think so. I mean, I think where we're at is a point where Iran has very strategically put them on their back foot, despite all the screaming and capital letters, and it's obviously not what's the reality that the U.S. is somehow dominating everything.

And, you know, you can't lie every day and say obliterated, destroyed, no power. They're learning out of web missiles and just every single day, be proven wrong before you just laugh at these people, you know, and show, and then very clearly recognize the opposite, that they're desperate, that you wouldn't be lying about all this if you were in some a position of strength, right? And so it's quite obvious that the straight of removes, the way they handled this. And we can bring this into the discussion of like the deal and the lies about it. But it's very important to see, I think, the way that they tactically handled this, is that, and this is important to the point of whether the straight was closed at all. It was restricted,

never closed as far as I can tell. And that's really important that in the onset, I think that Donald Trump was played in a small way, because let's be clear, he wanted this. He was very, at least he spoke publicly about, and I went over this yesterday, up like January 2020, February 2020, was like, Iran sanctions or we're going to invade, like basically saying that you better get the hard way or the easy way. And somehow people acting like he wasn't always in this path, he was, right? But I think that Israel got him in line with that, but then also tricked him into thinking that he had the excuse and the justification, because Trump, his legacy matters. So what I think happened was that they said, after the 12-day discussion, you know, they basically said, you know, we have an opportunity.

Netanyahu is what I see. Israel talking to Trump, which we've all but proven this, right, where the information came from, the conversation, the dates they picked. And he convinced Donald Trump, in my opinion, that this was going to be his legacy, that you, we will go after Iran. No one else has been able to do this. And we will, this is the point, instantly block the straight. That's what they told him. That's what maybe they thought. Mines and this and the Obama, everybody. And the whole world will be behind you, Mr. Trump. And the whole world will see that you're on the right side. and that just didn't happen.

And so the strait didn't get closed. And that's why I think they immediately started reporting. The straits been closed. There's minds in the strait. None of that actually happened as far as I can tell. Just like they started saying, tanks rolling into Kiev, day one on the war in Ukraine, that didn't happen either because I think they thought that's what they would do.

And so now we're at a point where you're in this position, where Iran has created the dynamic where they can box out the U.S. and Israel, and they're starting to make sure everyone knows, no, you can go through Spain, go ahead. Japan, no, you go right ahead. You know, it's like, if you're not fighting us, you're good to go. But there's been this effort to convince everybody else, and I think also forcefully to make them stop to not let him go through because they're trying to convince the world that it is shut. Right. So this is this massive game of psychological manipulation. And I just think you have to

point out that that was very tactfully done by Iran. And if we can be honest about this now, they seem to be winning. What do you think? I think that there's been criticism that the British haven't been involved in this war, but I would say that they have been. I think Lloyd's of London closed the straight once they put the insurance you know so do you bring that what do you mean yeah once once once the the city of london and the major international maritime insurance brokers decided they were done they're the ones who closed the straight before anything else happened they said we will not be insuring carriers that go through there and donald trump's response was well we'll ensure them by taking destroyers or battleships through or something you know we'll bring groups that will that will escort them in

And they're like, well, now you're a target. So that's clearly not going to work. So it wasn't, as you mentioned, it wasn't that they put mines across the straight. They didn't have to. They, in fact, that would be counterproductive. The best thing for them to do is to threaten that they could or that they could take you out with a missile, but then just do open a toll booth. That's what we're doing right now. I'm working on an episode right now called the Tehran Tollbooth.

And this is what they're doing. They're going to make a fortune doing this. And of course, if you don't have a problem with Iran and you're not involved in trying to destroy their country, then you don't have a problem going through, right? Pay the toll, go through. You've done your research for Europe. I mean, the point about the other countries, right? And the interesting point that as far as I can tell, you know, every canal and straight, almost everyone in the world, Panama, they charge for, you know, right, they put your toll, right? except Iran has never done that.

Now, there's more to it, right? There's other elements involved. That's not the sole location. But we can all acknowledge that, and this is why this has always been the conversation and why people predicted what they would do, they have had strategic control over the straight for a very long time. So it's interesting that yet they have never charged a toll,

which I find very telling, right? But so what's interesting, you're right, they're coming around now to saying, okay, you put us here. This wasn't, this wasn't happening until you illegally bombed us. But now, and we talk next if we want to get into the deal lies, that they're at the point now where they're going, we're not even talking to you.

You can keep pretending like you're offering things. We're saying no. We're not doing this until you give us our, acknowledge our sovereignty of the country as well as over the straight, which is new, and that we'll be able to decide the toll mechanism through the strait.

But then, and of course, they turned around and called it terrorism and threats, even though it's whatever the country does. Then, though, what's interesting to me is as it evolved, it turned into, well, they're now going to work, they're talking with Muscat in regard to having a dual deal, involved as well as talking to the neighbors about how it will go down. And by the way, also speaking to

the U.N., and it's like, yeah, clearly terrorism taking place, you know, but so that's a really important conversation because this has been done because of what the U.S. and Israel did. And so then, I'm even willing to bet you that it'll become some of a toll dynamic largely against the people that are not on their side. And that'll be framed as dishonest. And it kind of is, I guess, but it's justified. I would argue based on what's been done to them, you know. So I'm interested to see where you go with that because there's probably more things that you've gone into on that. Any other deeper points on it? Well, it's such a great option for them. As you mentioned, yeah, they collect tolls at the Suez. They collect tolls at the Panama Canal. I mean, these are not,

this isn't some new idea, but Iran had always been very measured. And now this is going to change things. It's going to change things for the BRICS plus countries of which United Arab Emirates is now a member. Iran is a member. So now we've got BRICS plus members launching missiles at each other, which is going to be a huge problem. We've got Saudi Arabia who's a BRICS plus fence sitter. They were invited in, but they never made a decision one way or the other. So they're sort of, you know, waiting this one out, I suppose. No, because of the back and forth with Trump and M.S. and Mohamed bin Salman.

You see that? Yeah. Yeah. So this is a, this is a, um, it, they, they, Trump, I think, I think that they walked him into a trap. And I can't tell if it, whether it was the Israelis who did it or the Iranians, but they, you know, when, when you're, when you're such a narcissist, these people can almost sort of plot your next move. you know, to know how he was going to respond and how enraged he would get. And boy, I'll tell you what, I had no energy one way or the other on Iranian online trollers. But those guys get an A-plus for their videos and the shit talking that they're doing towards the Trump administration. It's very logical and measured and it's on point.

And it's amazing. And it is propaganda. But it doesn't mean it's false, right? That's the same with like the Russia point during the election. You can't listen to them even though they're telling you the truth. It's important to think about that. How funny is it? And really, maybe this is an indictment on American culture.

But Iran is essentially holding up a mirror to the American culture. They've realized that the best way to connect with the people of America is to make Lego movies. Yeah. And show it to them, which were well done. amazing and most definitely worked. I mean, I watched it too, and I don't think I've ever sat through an actual Lego movie. I just was impressed with the tactics. So there's a variety of battlefields out there.

And the digital battlefield is one of them. That propaganda war is being won by the Iranians. And now there's other wards that are being, you know, contested as well. But the propaganda battle is not going well for Trump. You know, he's the boy who cried wolf. so many times that it's it's tough i mean it's a nut was this going to be another speech about the beautiful bombs and the magnificent missiles is this is what we're going to hear because we're all kind of done with that like it's it's it's it's it's enough so he he he's got no credibility he has

nobody to blame but himself for that you know he just has talked and talked and talked to the point where now when he has something extremely important to say he has to drop f bombs on Easter to try and get people to listen to him because nobody takes him seriously anymore. He is the boy who cried Iran so many times that nobody just nobody's willing to listen to him. And I mean, to the point to where it's like literally within 20, in one speech, he will contradict what he said in the beginning of the speech or like I just quickly showed on the screen for the podcast. It's the day to day, you know, yeah, 48 hours. And then like then changing that the next day to another 24 hours.

It just doesn't make any sense. You know, and so you're right. It is the boy who cried wolf for sure, and nobody's going to take him seriously. But, you know, the, what was the other part we were just talking about? I just lost it. Well, in any case, let's talk about the, the, oh, yes. Well, there was something around that that was important. I was forgetting.

Well, did you go into your point you were going to discuss about the bricks part of it? Did you want to get into that more? Well, I just wonder about how that's going to play out moving forward, because we have this consortium of countries that are, if you take a look at the bricks plus maps, what, one of the things that you'll notice is that they are all around maritime choke points. I mean, it's very strategic, either energy producers or they've got some sort of geographic advantage. And so now you've got a couple of them fighting with each other, Iran, who is a member, fighting with the United Arab Emirates, blowing up each other's oil fields and things like that and infrastructure. So I wonder how that's

going to play out in the aftermath of this. Is this the wedge that gets driven and breaks bricks, you know, or maybe get some people kicked out or, or I don't know, maybe they have to reimagine this. As I mentioned, Saudi Arabia was on the fence for that. Maybe they've come in. You know, maybe in the aftermath, they come in and say, oh, this is, you know, we, we were on the fence because we had this petro dollar arrangement, which is up in flames. And we'd always believe that we would have the American Empire to protect us, which isn't really happening. And yeah, we've been letting them use our airspace, but that's just pissing every one of our neighbors off. And we have to live here after the American Empire is gone, you know, and now our oil fields are on fire,

and that's a huge problem. So I don't know. I don't know how this plays out because, you know, maybe, maybe there's a path where you, where you, anybody who was collaborating with the American Empire is just out. And they say to the UAE, you got to go. You know, you were on the wrong side in this one. So, I mean, we're kicking you out. And of course, good, good. They, The UAE may have zero strategic value now anyway. Well, especially since that, well, that was Cutter, actually the big installation. But yeah, but I mean, a lot of them are clearly, the whole thing is changing. The whole thing is, the table's being flipped over at this point.

And I think that's important to think about and how it like resettles. And the BRICS point is an interesting point to that is, but, but, you know, I don't, I think it's dangerous to see it as, which I know we've talked about before and I don't believe you see it as like good versus bad or like, you know, it's all this more government and influence. at least it's multipolar versus, you know, but at the end of the day, I feel like it represents a threat at the same time. Like it's, we shouldn't jump from one control structure to the next. But, you know, this is coming from my anarchistic perspective. And I don't know it's probably not

chaired by most people out there, but I hope we can start considering that we don't need to look for the next ruler. Instead, let's just, let's take a moment in between them. Just breathe for a second, you know, but it's hard. That's kind of how I feel too. And I put it in this, as somebody who bartended in my 20s, I sort of put it in in this perspective. The American Empire is essentially like this big drunken lunatic in the bar that you want to get him out. You know, he's been threatening people at different tables. And what you're tempted to want to do is get the other, that other big guy in the corner, bricks, and get him to go punch them out.

But then the problem is now you have two drunken lunatics fighting in your bar instead of one. You know what I mean? So the idea of a multipolar world initially sounds good because it sounds like, a check on the other one to kind of keep them in place. And maybe if it is a check, then that's it. But it never ends that way. Exactly. They might wind up working together for all you know. And then you're really in trouble, right? They've now clicked up two big groups. And then it's really easy to make that one step and connect them both together as opposed to, you know, starting from scratch and having to connect 20 on this side and 20 on this side and then.

but like so be very careful cheerleading on a multipolar world when when it involved because by definition it involves the grouping up of countries into supranational organizations and if you think it's a good thing now maybe it is but it could always become a bad it's more than likely a bad thing anyway but it's it could be a bad thing in the future as well so you have to be careful of how you choose to solve the problem because the solving the American Empire problem with another empire is not the answer. It has to be, in my opinion, a means to an end. Because look, you're not going to, I mean, I guess it's possible a world in which you just

snap your fingers and all of it goes away. But that would cause a lot of chaos and destabilization just because people don't know what to do and even guided by the idea that government has to exist. But if you lean into something like that, my argument would be maybe people disagree, that's the next part you should lean into, but you feel it's the right choice. Lean into it. but with the mindset that it's only a means to an end, that the next step should be less and less and less

and don't just lean into a small change that goes right back into the consolidation of power, which is what every government my entire life has shown me. If you give people the authority, eventually other people, whether them themselves or other people around them will suddenly, like you're saying, the bricks part, some of those groups will suddenly quietly talk amongst themselves

and go, hey, let's make deals and let's work together. And let's get this. Let's consolidate our power over this group. And it always happens. And so if you, like the whole idea of like the American experiment. And if, you know, if you believe this was the true mindset, and I do believe there was parts of this that were there. The original idea was about creating this imperfect thing that it, you know,

as the statement of, you know, manner of crooked timber. You know, that's what we get. And so we have to plan for the fact that it won't work out the best way. And that's why the whole check and balance system was created. It wasn't perfect. It was, you know, we knew that people would try to seek power. And this is the best that we could do in that moment. And it was on us to maintain that.

Now, whatever you think about that, whether they meant it or not, it makes sense. that we are in a system where the goal should be to diminish power, not collect it, not to grow it, I would argue that that should have been a step towards less control. And maybe somebody, you know, that was very possible at that point. But instead, it very quickly went to the other direction. It went to the very thing that the argue that they were trying to avoid, the centralized power, the centralized government. And now we're going from that to more centralized control governments, you know,

from a global perspective, which is what we've always been fighting. And from a technological standpoint as well, because as we centralized control, you can understand people's argument that could say, boy, you know, these politicians are such scumbags. We keep catching them doing everything. They shut down the government. They can't get anything done right. Lindsay Graham's walking around Disney World with a magic wand. Like, why don't we get rid of all these people and replace them with computers? We'll program the computers to be super compassionate. You know, and they'll be fair. And it'll be, you know, it'll be like a futuristic world. I mean, they were talking about this in the early 50s, right? The International Geophysical Year. This is what

Well, dude, Donald Fagan wrote a song about it. So this is the future that they have been planning for a long time. We could very easily make a firm case for getting out of having these awful human beings as politicians. And then as the solution walk right into an even worse trap with this whole system becoming automated. And that, of course, is where they want to go. And I just had Patrick Wood and Courtney Turner on talking about their new book and the direction that things are headed with technocracy. And so my fear is that what if the big play here is let's make government so embarrassing and so incompetent. You know, the Weft leaders, all these young global leaders that are all coped up and weird and skinny and, you know, awkward and least, you know, less impressive than the one before them.

in a pipeline of prime ministers coming through the UK. They're just each one of them is more compromised than next. Like what if the goal is to get us by 2030 to just go, we're done with all these politicians. You guys are all terrible. We need help. We need Curtis Yarven to come in and save us or whatever. You know, somebody to come in and write all these wrongs

and be the good guy tech wizard, the good Elon Musk and come in here and fix all the problems, right? I can envision that happening and that would be happening right now. Yeah, it would be the end. You know what I mean? That's where I think we are. Now, maybe not the automated everything, but maybe that's, I mean, I don't even know if that's really the choice, but that seems like a possibility, right?

But I think that it's a, it's that technocratic world control structure that we're discussing. You know, and anyway, we've been discussing that very point for a very long time. You know, the, like even going back well before this, but there was the moment of Trump that a lot of the people discussed. And I think we talked about it, like in a general sense of our own groups, that it could be that Trump was picked to bring this down, right? Because he was the person he was. And now that feels a little bit more likely right now, you know,

that it was like he was the planned, like drop it at his feet, blame Trump for why it all happened and then use that to roll us into why we need to change the structure because this is where it's led, which led us to Trump. You know, it's like it kind of makes sense. You know, but in a bigger sense, the idea of the kind of technocratic transition, you know, again, I think that's, what's happening right now. Like this right now, the Palantir, the attachment 201, all of this, which I do think

there's a bit of a schism between that and what Zionism is trying to do at the same time. But I think at the end of the day, there's a coordination to that. And so I agree with you. I think that this is a dangerous time where we're watching this transition happen and using everything we don't want, right? And the Fed, and here's your see. We've all talked about this, right? Giving you the things we don't want to using it to roll you into the next thing.

The question is, are we going to be able to see that as a whole before we're inside? of it. That's what we're all thinking for. Yeah. Yeah. And end the Fed, right? Because that's what we've always wanted. And we finally get to the point where we end the Fed right at the time when the Fed was useless anyway, right, when they were making the transition into something else. So they give you the victory. You ended the Fed. Yeah, you got it. No more of those Federal Reserve notes is we issue the stable coins. You know, and it's like, well, you actually lost in the end. So I worry about the the victories that they allow us to have within that system that maybe makes us complacent or makes us feel like we're going somewhere, but we're in some sort of cul-de-sac that was

never going to go anywhere anyway, that I were, especially with the Fed, because there had never been a time in my life where they even really mentioned the Fed, let alone like, yeah, well, maybe there could be some steps to limit the Fed or anything. Like, why are you guys talking about limiting the Fed? Nobody's ever done that before, unless you guys have some sort of plan to make the Fed go away, but you would make the Fed go away if it became sort of a relic of the past, and it was no longer, as long as you've got the BIS in their universal rail system,

what do you really need the Fed for? Well, I think you're right, but I would also argue it might be a combination of these two things, or maybe the one thing I'm going to say entirely, but ultimately it could be, I knew I was going to do this. I do that when I say things like that. BIS, oh, so the idea of sort of,

sort of doing it. That's what it was. Thank God. I hate my idea. Doing it because we saw it. Not because necessarily that it was what they wanted, but because it's like, okay, well, we'd keep the Fed forever if it was continuing its function. But I think, and that's why I mean it's maybe kind of both. But people are seeing these things, right?

So it's like at some point they recognize, look, we can keep screening, you guys are wrong, your conspiracy theorists, but if 99.9% of Americans, hypothetically, are like the Fed's bad, we can't, we got to, okay, they see it. it. We can't put that toothpaste back in the bottom, right? So you give them it, right? But see that from that point, maybe 10 years ago, and now they've been trying to get themselves to a point to where they can engineer the transition from the thing they were always, like that's where I would read that. That I think that if something's functioning, they don't really want to change

it unless it's in their interest to. And I think that the Fed could have easily just been transitioned to a technocratic, you know, instead they need to bring it down to just to make us think that we were successful. You know what I mean? And that's because we saw it. So it's also kind of the awareness of it all, the release valve point. And I think that's, that's in every conversation today. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But let's let's end with a point quickly about technocracy that since we're on this discussion a little bit, which I'm sure you saw. It's just kind of brings about right back right back around to the lies from the administration, really just the government. I mean, if you're new to this, I do not think this is unique to Trump. It's pretty prominent,

but I think it left and right. It's the same deal. But this was about the board of peace point. We talked about this a couple weeks ago. The state department transferred $1.25 billion to the Board of Peace. And it goes on to highlight what it took it from, you know, a lot of different things. Or even the $1.5 trillion budget for military and the tons of things that will have to be canceled from, I mean, tons of things, by the way, that MAGA very much wanted. So it's important to see as well, different point. But this is Catherine Offen Fiss just saying, yeah, you know, Congress is the power to reverse the money he stole that Congress authorized to go to the border of peace. but they're not. Why not? You know? So just a general point to wrap up that, you know,

he's stealing billions. It's more than just this one point from taxpayers to dump into a personal board of peace that he's chairman for life with Jared Whitcock, Jared Kushner, Whitkoff, Tony Blair, a few others. I just, I mean, and then we just talked about briefly the point of the board of peace and his, you know, his two billion dollar WHO project. I mean, all these different things are another global entity. Even the UN called his project for the board piece, they're an adjacent security council. You know, so this seems to be an obvious part of this technocratic side of it. But just to end with the point showing you the lies, right?

But what are your thoughts of that and how it plays into all of this? You know, how does Israel play a role in that, seeing as how they're kind of not involved, even though they are and it has to do with Gaza, but the money's not even going to Gaza. Seems crazy. Funny, funny how that is, right? They're definitely involved in it, but not responsible. There's no ties to them. we're at a point where in the end of empire,

you burst into the office expecting everybody to be having a big meeting. And there's one guy in there and he's stealing all the candlesticks. I come out of here and you're just like, wait, you guys aren't trying to save it. They're like, no. So they're stealing everything that's not nailed down in this empire. And that's a bad sign. Nobody's doing anything about it. there's no

when it's Israeli benefit when it benefits Israel in any way, shape or form, there's never any sort of outrage about it. When if it's red team or blue team specific, maybe you'll hear one side push back, but this is the unifying factor. As long as you're setting it up to benefit that group,

then you won't be indicted. They won't investigate it. You can steal anything you want. And you really can, I think. I mean, I don't know that they've, I don't know that there's any evidence of anybody ever being really held accountable for stealing any of this stuff. I mean, especially if you're, if you're Israeli or Jewish, then you have the option to go to Israel. Not only is there no accountability, you're quite literally put on a private jet and flown there so that nobody can get you.

So like, Tomavovich, was that his name? The guy who was, Tom Abramovich was the Israeli government guy who came here with the intention to, to sexually molest children with the website they got caught and they arrested him and they just sent him back home. Just make sure we don't forget about that at the same point.

But there's tons of that. Saudi Arabia too. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that that works both ways. Either nobody finds out about it and that's fine with them or for those of you who saw that,

good. I'm glad you saw it. Internalize that. Watch it again because we're going to do it again and again and again. The next time one of our guys gets caught for doing something unspeakable, we're going to load him on another plane and fly him out as well. There's nothing you can do about it. So it's like for the general public who's asleep at the wheel, they don't even know it's happening.

For those of us who see it, it's almost like a message. It's like the guy who's, you know, who wants you to see his face. He's like, I'm showing you my face because I don't care what you'll do. You know, that is like another sort of humiliation ritual for those of us who are who are, who are forced to watch this where you go, well, you know, you guys fight like hell about some of these things,

but then there's quite obvious low hanging fruit here of massive rampant fraud criminality. And none of you people want to look this way, but you're going to go after me because I had $601 on Venmo. Right.

Well, I mean, look at Christy, no. You can literally get caught in a massive scandal and you fail up. That, that,

I mean, your analogy, the Canals 6 is perfect. I mean, it's, you know, everyone is just absorbing and stealing and, you know,

and Trump's family is just brazenly corrupt. We'd buy my watches and my shoes and my crypto. You're right. I mean, it's just clown show right now. But, you know, it's, I don't think that it's completely lost in a sense of just, like even as some people we're talking about, like just, like, hypothetically, let's say this empire dies. Let's say the American system just completely.

It doesn't mean that the culture disappears. You know, it depends. There's a different, it's, it's, I think we need to consider is that that that might be the best thing that's ever happened. to us. A hundred percent. When Berwick and I wrote the controlled demolition of the American Empire in 2020, we weren't saying that it was a bad thing. Right. Right. You know, what we were saying is it's not America that goes away. Much in the same way that, you know, the Soviet Union fell apart, but mother Russia remained, right? And you prioritize that because you had to get rid of the satellite

nations that you couldn't, you couldn't, you know, you couldn't finance that any longer, right? But Russia remains. And that's the same thing with the American Empire. The thousand military, well, they're already going away. You know, the world's reserve currency, the, our ability to manipulate people with the World Bank and the IMF, and maybe those things are going away. But those things needed to go away, right? So it's not the worst thing in the world that the American Empire dies. I think Americans maybe don't understand that distinction between the empire and the country or the people of America versus what America has become this war machine. And so there's components of it.

It's not being disrespectful and it's not being to the nation or anything like that to say that the American Empire needs to go away. It's the disgusting side of it. It's not what America, it's not the version of America that you want to project around the world if you're a good and decent person. This is the face of America that drops bombs on hospitals and schools. Right. And it needs to go away. it's going away. Absolutely. It is the antithesis to what we've always been told that this country is, at the very least, right? So I agree with the way you frame that it's not, because it's not that

that's what it's the, you know, what we are. It's not. I mean, this country, the government itself, more importantly, has never truly in my mind represented what it's tried to or framed it as. There was a moment where it's possible, but it went the other way, you know, but what we've always been told and what Trump and the rest are so desperately trying to scream is just self-evidently the opposite, you know, and I think that is an important moment. So I'm with you. And I'm glad that this is something that people are starting to see. That's why I think that point I continue to bring up that right now the empire that is dying is desperately

trying to keep all of us thinking that they're in control, they're the majority. It's like the 2008 moment. We're like the day before. They're like, we're stronger than ever and then the whole thing collapses. You know, what's doing? Right. And it's like, so we need to think that they want us to think,

everyone in MAGA is all on one side and all the Democrats are pedified, you know, whatever this game is. I don't think that even comes close to representing most Americans, whether or not they're liberal or conservative, and that is an important thing to see. And to end on your positive note there, like, you know, think that there could, I mean, see that there is a positive path through all this, where we could get rid of the over, you know, the empire and see that we are still here and see that we're stronger for it in a real sense, you know, as a country, as a people, as society, as a planet, you know.

So it didn't reflect us anyway. It didn't reflect our values. It wasn't us. It was a, it was a monster that had been created, uh, in a laboratory fueled by the Federal Reserve and a bunch of maniacs that have different ideas. So it's a poor reflection on the American people anyway. So it's the reason why when we go abroad, people go, oh, Americans, huh? You know, we know how you guys are.

It's like, well, yes, that's our government, not necessarily us as a people. So it's been an embarrassing stain on us for a while. So, you know, maybe Trump is, maybe Trump was brought in to. to be the clown that, you know, that, that, that brings down the, the end of the empire. It feels like it. I mean, there's still a couple years left or who knows how much longer he has, but, but it feels like this is how you would do it. And I, and my, my other sort of fear that's off in the distance as well, that I can't get out of my mind is that what if this is all just a big distraction or an excuse that's brewing to paper over a financial collapse, you know? Yeah. It's out there sort of on the horizon waiting to come,

coming anyway, but needing a proper excuse where you can go, well, you know, it wasn't me, it was this. There was this whole thing that started the war and timing. It wasn't our banking system that was insolvent and running recklessly. No, it wasn't that. It was this other thing that happened. And coincidentally, the banks went down, you know, because of it. So I, you know, I'm always got my eyes open on that too. They want us looking in the Middle East, which of course we are, but don't, don't forget

to keep your eyes on Wall Street as well. Yeah. I mean, you have to consider that. I mean, it could be both. It could be only that. I mean, it's always a possibility. You know, there's always multifaceted agendas and people around it doing their own thing, you know, but to the, what you might have one final thought that I want to point out is that

the, you know, the engineered collapse point we're talking about. And me saying, for example, this might, you know, very well be the best thing that's ever happened to us. It's important to make sure you hear that in its own light and do not conflate that with the idea of whether Israel is collapsing this country. Because I'm not saying those are the same. What I'm saying is that, you know, we might find a way through this, whether it's being engineered or not that could lead to less government control in our lives. Don't understand in my mind that Israel in doing this is the opposite. It's the mind of that control blossoming from their control structure, from the technocratic control structure, not the idea of the other way around. But, you know, I just want

to make sure that was clear because there, you could see that leading through to the same point. But I think at the end of the day, however it's happening, we should be leaning in that direction, but recognize there are people trying to weaponize that change. However it's happening, you know, and I just ever, I mean, that can apply to damn near everything we're talking about today, you know. Yeah. And, and I'm not even really spoiling the ending of our book, but the way Berwick and I wrapped up the controlled demolition book is we we sort of took you back to the December 26th, 2004, Bonda Ache, Indonesia with the tsunami, right, with the people who walked out under that beach and there was no water. They looked around, they couldn't really make sense of it,

right? The water was gone. It had been there. The ocean was there last night, this morning it wasn't there. The people who had experience and the animals instinctively went to higher ground, right? and they knew what was coming. And for the people who didn't know, who didn't see what was coming or wanted to argue with you or wanted to walk out a half a mile and take a selfie with the, you know, it ended badly for them.

For those who recognized it in advance, knew that they couldn't stop what was coming, but they knew they could get to higher ground and prevent themselves from getting walloped by this. You know, in the, in the aftermath, you know, in the aftermath of these, huge events, these massive, the fourth turnings and these end of empire situations. It's chaotic, of course. But there are amazing opportunities for people who position themselves accordingly.

So I don't want people to ever be blackpilled about this because the fact that you know that it's coming and see it in advance puts you in a very small percentage of people who can move out of the way to the extent that you can. Maybe that positioning yourself financially, getting your money out of the banks in advance, doing some things differently, getting gold and silver, whatever you're doing. You start making your moves. By doing that, you are putting yourself in such a rare category of people who are prepared for what's coming. Not that you want it, not that you ever want the destruction that's coming this way. But if it's coming and you can't stop it, the least you can do is save yourself and those who will listen to you and get to high ground in a very real sense.

So, you know, look, we clearly have some shipping issues and supply chain hassles coming our way from the Middle East. Whether we get our oil there or not, it doesn't matter. Everything is going to be impacted by that. If you don't have storable food in advance now, you're just, you're not taking advantage of this relative calm right now. So I think people who are doing things like that or they're, you know, they're preparing for the future right now. I think in their minds, it's a different trip. It's a different ride than everybody else who's panicked buying toilet paper at the 11th hour because they saw it on Fox News.

So for those of us who have the eyes to see it, take advantage of this time of relative calm and like get your stuff situated and get sorted out and do that. You'll be wishing you could go back to this moment at some point and do the things you knew you should have done. So just do it today, you know. Wise words. Well, thank you, Charlie. As always, I enjoy our conversations, brother. Me too. And I'm hoping people can, you know, hear some of the things we discussed today,

because some of the things we talked about today are, you know, more, more abstract and more just, you know, not focal political talking points, but just, you know, the sentiment and the change and the, you know, the deeper propagandized elements, you know, it's just there's so much going on, you know, as always, just question at all, right? There's so many people out there trying to mislead you and trying to get you in certain camps, different governments with different agendas, you know, if you just engage with everything coming your way with the possibility that it could be wrong for a number of reasons, question it, do your due diligence by being open to all the possibilities. You're much, much more difficult to play, you know, and that's something we've

both described to. So please help yourself in that way. So thank you, Charlie, and I'm looking forward to the next one. As always, everybody out there, question everything. Come to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant.