The Last American Vagabond - What The Hell Is Happening w/ Charlie Robinson (7/7/26)

Episode Date: July 8, 2026

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control exactly what people think and that is our job what the hell is happening what the hell is happening our homeway making things happen the world is our standard what the hell is what the hell is happening what the hell is happening what the hell is happening what the hell is the best on the planet it's already what the hell we could step up the passion it's happening happening it's already happened the madness of the new cycle spinning the wheel of chaos Tuesday, July 7th, welcome to another episode of what the hell is happening with myself and Charlie Robinson. Today, a lot of interesting things to get into. But even in the peak kind of stupidity and chaos of what this kind of show is meant to encapsulate, it feels especially kind of chaotic and spun out recently, like more even than the beginning of this administration, whether that's like today, a lot of the

conversation around, you know, the foreign policy discussions and how it just seems kind of Like, you know, Trump seems to be at sort of a lesser degree of even what he was in the first place. Yeah, I find that interesting. Who knows if that's by design. But there's a lot we could talk about today that feels it's, you know, I don't know, deliberately confusing, if you will. I'm not sure. But let's start with whatever might be on your mind. How are you today, first of all?

I'm good. It reminds me of the movie Goodfellas. And in Goodfellas, it was a crazy movie all the way through. Everybody knows that. But it was relatively mild in the beginning. and then as you got into the end, when Henry Hill started to get into cocaine, the editing sped up and the cuts were more frantic,

and you felt jittery just watching it. It kind of put you in that mindset. And that's kind of how I feel like this administration started. You knew it was going to be crazy. You knew the movie was going to be wild when you started. But we're now in that part where they're jump cutting and shooting it from anger, angles that make you feel a little bit more revved up and paranoid. And, you know, of course, we have the

4th of July 250th birthday party, which felt more like a going out of business sale to me. And it was also kind of an encapsulation of the Trump presidency where they made the big announcement, total like ready fire aim situation. They made the big announcement about everybody that was going to be involved in it. People immediately started backing out. Then Trump said they were stupid and old and has-beens and he didn't want him anyway. Then he admitted that he was going to be the star of the show and that he was going to do all the talking. He just talked for three hours. And that's who everybody came to see anyway, which was a peek inside his narcissism, but also strangely also true, which was probably more psychologically damaging when you realize, you know, he's not wrong.

that everyone is probably there to listen to him just go on and on and on and on and talk for hours. Whether or love or in between, definitely. It's one of these moments, you know, it's all a bit crazy, of course. We deal with the crazy as a matter of standard operating procedure. But even within it, you know that there are sometimes where it feels like there's a little bit of a peak or things are a little bit revved up. they're a little bit more chaotic than normal. And that's where I feel we are now. And that might be a sign that things have gone off the rails a bit or that they're running out of time or that there's less of a script and it's more improv of things moving forward. And that would

attribute to the seeming chaos of the situation. But you're not alone in thinking that. I think a lot of people have are feeling that these days. Do you think it's, you know, I mean, look, it's worth pointing out that in any moment, I think people in that moment tend to feel like that's the P, you know, there's been chaotic moments of the past. And you wonder whether or not this is any more chaotic than those. And it's just that we're in it and we feel that way.

I don't think so. I mean, I think we can try to be objective and look back at, you know, but maybe that's the case. Maybe we'll look back in 20 years and be like, man, that was nothing. It's crazy now. And maybe that would be the reality. But, you know, we tend to be in it. It feels more impactful and more, more, you know, but I think that it's, it is, you can't, you can look back at just previous, you know, over the last, I don't know, 20 years. And you can see a very clear difference in not just narrative and wedge issues, but like the,

the decorum, you know, and I think that speaks to something. I have my opinions about what that is, but it feels like, you know, like I think what you keep pointing out, like you said, the, what'd you call it? Like last time you said it, which I keep referencing the idea that they're just stealing the silverware from the White House. It's a production analogy for what, you know, it's like, it's just a secondary softmarked version of what it's always been. I just kind of get that sense from all of this.

And I don't necessarily think that's all by design, even if maybe it's like a secondary factor of somebody who benefits by having incompetent people and that's just what incompetent people do. So you could, you know, make that argument that it is sort of the same point, but even if it's a byproduct. But either way. Go ahead. We're moving from a high trust society into a low trust society, and there's a segment

of the population that remembers how it used to be. Yeah. And that's a problem. Because if you're just in a low trust society and we're born into it, and that's how, that's just your world. You know, it's a fish being born into the water, has no knowledge of anything outside of that. But when you remember what it used to be like and how it is now, and, you know, I see, I see footage,

there's social media footage recently of a teen takeover in Newport Beach on 4th of July. Well, you know, that's personal to me because I remember living in Newport Beach there for 4th of July in 92 and 93. And I remember what it used to be like. And it wasn't that. Right. So things have changed. And by the way, the Newport Beach police departments are the biggest Gestapo in Southern California. They would have loved an opportunity to crack skulls in a situation.

like this, and yet it didn't happen. So everything feels degraded, like a photocopied version of reality. You know, it's still kind of, you know, still same street names and, but the streets look a little bit more rough, you know, and everything is just a little bit more degraded. And if you, if you just came recently, whether that's to America or to Los Angeles as an example, you know, and you don't have the perspective to remember what it was in the past, it doesn't hit the same way it does somebody who's like, I used, I grew up here. And it's not this. And you can insert any city, really. It doesn't have to be Los Angeles. But people remember how it used to be. And they know that it's not there. It's not where we are now. And that gap to get back to where we used to be,

I don't know that if people feel like there's a path. And maybe that's a little bit of the demoralization process too. It's like if we want to get back to that, the amount of things that would have to happen are almost insurmountable. It almost feels like what's the point? So I can understand why people feel like, I don't know if there's much to celebrate after 250 years. I mean, we're still having the same problems. Well, I think there's a couple points to make. One, which is, you know, that I think that's partly by design. I think we agree on that that it's like this engineered sort of highlighting a problem that's always been there to get us into the phase of accepting the next solution. But the question should be asked, was that even the, you know, we're looking through rose-colored glasses. That's always going to be the case. But even then,

take away the glasses. Was that even really what we were talking about? You know, I mean, there's, yes, there's a degradation. I think we can see that. But the question is, was it ever what we thought it was? You know what I mean? And I think it's a really valid thing to ask that, you know, we can look, here's a good kind of quick, you know, even within the memory of where we currently are today. Pointing to Obama and what he represent, like not represented, but projected is not the same thing as saying that, you know, like you could look at Obama and say he projected a more stable thing than Trump does. But that's not to say that it was more stable. You could even argue that it necessarily, that it might have been. But the point is that they,

I think I prefer a position where you can see the chaotic reality, even though it makes you feel more uncomfortable than living in a position where you're pretending through decorum that somehow this is all absolutely good and we're fighting for freedom and they never did any of that. You know, so it's a mixed bag. I agree with your point, but I do think it's worthy. I think we all should be reflecting on whether we even had what we thought we did as they try to kind of shuffle us into using a justification, whatever they argue is going to save that.

It might not even been there, you know? Prime example of that is prisoner of the moment with the Epstein situation and saying, oh my God, I can't believe that politicians are doing that to kids for getting completely the Franklin scandal. Yes, right. You know, which showed that this was happening. This had been happening decades ago. So there's a temptation to be kind of caught up in the moment. This is the worst it's ever been. And, of course, that sells for a variety of reasons and some things. But if you're trying to really accurately measure things. In retrospect, I look, you know, I'm sure 2014 had its chaos. But in retrospect, from where I am right now, it seems relatively mild. Yeah. Like almost nothing was

happening, you know? And so you just, you just wonder, it, it, in the end of empire, perhaps, you know, the acceleration, the destruction of the civilization sort of accelerates. Everything happens a little bit faster. The chaos ramps up more so as you tightly spin down the drain at the very end here. That's where we are. And I don't recall if I noticed chaos 25 years ago and made a comment about it, that might have been one thing. But now if I notice it and make a comment to people, they all not in agreement, which is something that's a little different than before.

In the past, you could find these problems and you could point it out. But if people weren't paying attention to it, it wasn't on their radar. Now it's almost so obvious that even if you're, oh, I'm not into politics. It doesn't matter. You notice the degradation of your, are you into the mall? Have you been to the mall lately? it's either out of business, all the stores are gone, or the people who are there are turning it into someplace that's uninhabitable. So even if it's starting to permeate everybody, not just

the people who are paying attention or who want to be in the know, but now it's to the point where even if you are actively against knowing this information, it's going to find you one way or another whether you wanted to or not. I agree. I mean, what's interesting is look at what, I mean, and this is why I think all people are grappling with, like, that that's hard to acknowledge or accept. But like, look at what Trump did with this administration. And then we can see why it's easy to see why things that might not have been mainstream have become mainstream. And maybe this was a miscalculation on their part. They came out and put these things on the center of their administration.

Maha, make America great again. And they, and they centered around things. Now they're not, now they're doing the opposite. You know, the Epstein files, you mean, health-related things, which I have one we can talk about. And so what happened was these were things that were fringe, right? Oh, that's conspiracy theorists. What vaccines? You guys are crazy. And they inadvertently, maybe by design, I think it's inadvertently, made these things become everybody talking points. And so now you can't hide from them, right? Now you can't ignore Israel influence, even though that was something that was so fringe. You were so crazy.

And even, you know, now it's impossible to ignore. You know, so I don't know if that was a mistake or by design. I guess we'll find out down the line. But clearly, it's made sure, because of that, that average people have insight into things, even if they're barely paying attention. And that's a win for us, in my opinion. You know, I really do think. And that's what people are trying, like, that's what I think a lot of this is about is trying to get us past that.

But I want to go back to the point about, you know, so now we're coming at, we're calling this things out. I think a vast majority of Americans. And so now you're getting this argument that you're somehow, you know, you just hate America. And it's interesting seeing us how it's very not, it's not one side of the other. In fact, most of these, like, flock cameras, Steve and how we're talking about, it's obviously just everybody. You know, it's not a partisan issue. But now they're making it about how you hate America, which is just an interesting kind of spin because you're fighting for these American values.

But it just becomes this, they have to try to carve it into the left, right dynamic, you know, to make it somehow like you're a communist or you're this, which, you know, we, you and I've talked a lot about just government in general. You know, it's, I don't know, where do you feel that fits in right now? Do you think bringing back the 50s communist red scare is going to have any effect on left or right? Like truly, like in a momentum style. And I mean, some people will get into it. But what do you think? Well, accusing the flock left of hating America by cutting down flock, they'd agree with you. They do hate America.

That's not even an insult to them. They would be like, yes, and the idea of a red scare moving forward. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's frustrating to me because there are, there are components here that we, we can agree on. Flock cameras, great one. Like, who, who would have thought? Data centers, another one. This digital surveillance seems to be a unifying factor here, left and right.

Imagine that. So I wouldn't envision them, them trying to do something to divide us, right? I mean, it's not surprising that they would go to cutting down flock cameras as un-American. what what can they go to they're backed into a bit of a corner because you know it'd be one thing if they're like listen it's only on the roads it's just only on the roads but it's like it's not on the roads it's on the hiking trails and entrances into parking lots and they're i mean schools it's everywhere it's not so so i would expect to some sort of divide and conquer but wouldn't it be funny if the thing that united the the looney left and the the the unhinged

right is that they came together on their on their um yeah their their their hatred of big tech surveillance of all things a really interesting point you just made right there and so this is what i've you know grappling with around this maga conversation in particular is so you know the loony left and the and the what did you call what's it the word used i don't know the hyperbolic framing of the either side but i see that as the team sport science i don't think either of those sides even care about the flock cameras. I think what we're talking about is the underlying majority of left and right, you know, liberal, conservative, like, they're not bound by the teams for a perspective

who are seeing as a problem regardless what side you're on, right? So it's, you know, like, to your point about, like, that they hate America, like, I think, here's what's interesting. I think you can find people on the right who scream America first, who hate this country, who very, whether they see, acknowledge that or not, they're undermining foundational things. They're siding with a foreign power over. interest. You got people on the left doing the same equivalent in different ways where they're fighting

for things that they hate the ideas of these country from a different side of the perspective. Right. And you can go through many different values. What I see today is there's a middle ground. I argue the majority of either side of those who, even if they're wrong, like let me ask you this, do you think there's a person that's a left-leaning person who actually believes communism will be best for this country? I think yes. When you're when you're young and you don't, don't know the details of it. Fair enough. It's tempting to think that the problem is that the way the resources are pooled is an issue

and that if only they were redistributed a little differently, that would solve all these problems. But you can't start tinkering with that stuff without the law of unintended consequences, where you start messing with that guy's big stack. And then that does other things to the marketplace. And next thing you know, there is no marketplace. Right, right. Well, I'm not trying to defend communism.

All of it's bad to me. I think that's very clear. I think government in and of itself, regardless of what direction it takes, we should all be fighting. The point that I'm getting to, though, is about whether they think that. Because you know, I agree with you.

You know, I think anybody who takes a stance from like a nonpartisan will always, in certain cases, be framed as one side of the other. You know, that I support communism or I support fascism. I don't. All government's bad. I know we both agree. on that. But what's important, though, is that I think there's Democrats and potentially even

the majority of average people that believe on that opinion side, whatever that is of the conversation, that communism or whatever they believe their flavor of it is actually what will help this country. And it's because of the way that this constant extreme back and forth go. It's the left-right paradigm, right? The fascistic push of the far, you know, and then that's why people go, well, clearly, it's Jimmy Doer's argument of why leaning in with Trump was the right move because look at what did with the genocide. It was logical, but those paying attention long enough are going to go, well, it's just going to be the same cycle, right? Now they're going to do it. So you get people that get driven into thinking and younger people that haven't learned these lessons that that

communist side is the op, is the reaction to what they're doing today. And eventually you get the nationalist push that go, you know, and my point is there are people that have been convinced that a fascistic dictatorial all-encompassing or a CEO-run technocratic thing are what's best for this country and they believe that's American. There's Democrats that believe that's the case. So what I'm getting at is that by the government creating this impression that people who are fighting for that are un-American, whether it's left or right, is like the most un-American thing in the conversation.

You see what I'm saying? Because it creates this idea that you're not allowed to think outside. Trump right now is saying if you disagree with this, you hate America, as opposed to realizing that disagreeing and debating is quintessentially American. I find that wildly dangerous. even if it's about something I disagree with, you know? And he's missing an opportunity here to talk like a human being and to say something like that, to say, you know, actually what it means to be, well, first of all, I don't know that if Trump knows what it means to be an American or what that means to him is something different.

Because what he, I think what he mean thinks being an American is, is that you get like an opportunity to make big deals or something. I don't know. that seems to be all that he's about. But there's some other things that come along with it, which is the ability to criticize the government. Now, I don't know that I'm holding my breath for the government to come out and say that one of the great things about America is your ability to criticize them. But it is one of the things that is uniquely American, where like you can't, there is a

now that line has been crossed by the government with individuals time and time again. But in theory, it sort of holds that we. have this freedom of speech component. And if if the if the job, if the purpose, you know, were to unite people or to, you know, Trump could have, he had an opportunity there to say at this time, you know, one of the things that is very America that we hold, you know, near and dear in all the words that they use, is our ability to disagree with each other. And isn't that great? And isn't that nice that we can work these things out without having to go to war. He doesn't say that though. He doesn't want that. I think he wants chaos. I think he wants division. I think he doesn't, he's not the great Uniter.

I mean, we know that. He is a divider of people. Yeah. And so, I don't know. I wonder if this is going to be, I think I feel like I say this all the time, but I wonder if what is it going to be that wakes people up to what's happening. What's it going to take? Is it a 9-11 event? Is it another COVID? Is it a JFK? Is it an event?

Is it a thing? Or is it possible that people just get fed up and run out of patience? Is it possible that's already happened? Yeah, I think. You know, I mean, I'm with you. I agree. And I could be wrong. But either way, yes, you know, what will that take?

but I kind of feel like we crossed that line a long time ago. And I feel like we've been grappling with this kind of rapid growing, you know, discontent of the American like majority that gets, that is completely not, what's the word, that they're, they're,

uh, disenfranchised, like they're not even represented anymore by the cartoons of the left and right. I feel like that's what this whole thing is about right now. I hope people can at least consider that, you know? And what, and if that is the case,

and it certainly does feel like, there's an opportunity for somebody in the middle. And that, of course, is an opportunity in a problem, right? Because that that is where the strongman comes in and and offers the solution to the problems that you've been facing. So there's undeniably problems. And you've got a segment of society or a segment of America who who maybe voted for Trump on three different occasions, maybe believe the lies all three times. times while they were casting that vote. But now, like an abused spouse who's finally seeing the light, they're able to admit that they're in an abusive relationship with their government and with their president and that he has promised a lot of things that he hasn't delivered on. And they want to leave the party. They want to leave the marriage. But they can't, they don't know where to go. Isn't that the problem that all abused people have is that fine, I leave here, which is bad. it's the devil I know, right? I'm going to go somewhere else to the devil I don't know in a

situation that maybe I can't control. And now I think people are finally starting to say, I want to leave. They're not going to go to the Democrats, right? If you voted for Trump, that's not an option. That they're just incompatible. You don't want that. You want something else, but not that. Yeah, I agree with you. And isn't that just a perfect, like, could you just walk everybody right into a trap of somebody who comes in and says, the left is unreasonable, the right is unreasonable, I offer the logical solution. Because that's what everybody wants to hear, I think, at this point. And it's easy to see what people would fall for that.

It's everything we're actually asking for it. But that's why we have to be skeptical of the America party, the Elon Musk, Thomas Massey, Tucker Carlson, you know, but while hoping that it could be what we want. That's the hardest part for most people, I think, is, you know. And maybe even they have good intent. Let's just assume rightly or wrongly that they have great intentions, that they actually want to do what they're saying that they want to do. Maybe they do. Maybe they don't. But let's pretend that they do. You then have to make a calculation. How much can they get accomplished in the current system, in the current framework, working against the outside influences that finance with money and opposition candidates and everything. Like, you know how this will play out. Like it's one thing to want it. And let's assume they do. And it's another thing to get the people behind you because they want it, but can you deliver on what you promise? And if you can't, you're going to look like a fraud. You're going to really demoralize people because you got them feeling like they had a chance with a third party or third,

you know, candidate type situation only to run sprinting into a brick wall. And then that might just be the end of it, right? That might just be the thing that finally people throw their hands up and go, I'm done. Bring in the technocratic government. right whatever just make it stop with these politicians that are destroying our lives like anything but this yeah i mean it's it's a well-crafted plan you know i mean it's certainly you know it's i could see you know you could argue that the effort of doing it is necessary even if it you know even if it's designed to fail the point though is it has to be gone at with that point like you have to be clear about that like if you were honest in my opinion and you noticed that that potential shortfall

you would talk about it now you know you would make your art argument like look we're doing this to call attention to the broken system we have designs to you know create you know it's it's hard to know where it we every let's put it this way every possible avenue even if it would be something i agree with opens another possibility for the system to be manipulated right let's bring in steve and we keep going hey steve thanks for joining brother no worries how's going it opens the possibility for far more you know like they can step in to try to drive it into the direction that would benefit the system but it doesn't mean we shouldn't try you know this is

where you get into this confounding position where people will criticize us for poo-pooing on everything that comes around. But we're not. It's like we need to be open to that possible positive outcome, but be skeptical every single step of the way. It comes down to whether or not we think the system itself is even salvageable. And this is the point I keep making. If we can all go, yeah, look, it's broken. Everything's broken. Everything's cheating. There's 17 levers for them to mess with every single decision we make. And then go, oh, but Tucker, let's vote with Tucker. It's like, well, that doesn't make sense. Right. I mean, that's where we have to get to. And if we do think that, We need to talk about a new system, not necessarily just a new party, but that's very hard for people to see.

We're not all jumping on board with Tucker and Margie. All right. It seemed like such a lucrative proposition. Well, it sounds good. You know what I mean? Like if you're making sense, you know, you're talking about the rightly pointing out problems. It's hard. You go, yeah, yeah.

Right. But but, but. but are you going to fix them? Can you fix them? Do you have the capacity to do the things that you say need to be done? Or do you even want to? Or do you maybe you want to? But then somewhere around the line, you know, guy whispers in your ear, you know, you do it our way or bad things happen to you and your family. And then it's like, we're right back to where we started. Like we can have a third party, a fourth party. But if you can manipulate every party by threatening to blow them to smithereens if they don't get on board with you, then what are we doing? It gets back to your point, Ryan, about like, well, we have to keep trying.

You know, quitting isn't an option. Stopping and just giving up isn't going to do it. But yeah, they may stop everybody. They may stop you time and time again, but you have to keep putting up roadblocks for them. It's a frustrating time. Yeah. No, it definitely is. And I think that's the, what's the easiest to abuse, you know, is that people are fed up and they're tired. And the engineered apathy is probably one of our biggest enemies in all of this because it's, you know, this is what people, people tend to frame what we do is sort of checking out. It's the opposite. You know, we're some of the most politically active people in the conversation. We just don't believe that voting is the path to the most change, if not any, you know, if any of it. But it's, it's showing people that we need to

make sure we're continually engaging with the system while continuing to be critical of every single aspect of it. You know, I know we all want something. You know, we want some positive flip here. We just have to, like I would argue the same thing I say about Massey every time. If Massey is who he says he is, he would demand that we're more critical of him than anybody else. An honest person would demand that of us. And I'd like to hope that that's where this goes. But just, you know, it's the system is in fact the problem, especially if we're seeing the foreign influence element of it, which is not even getting into whether they even care about what they say, if they don't have any real ability to see these things to fruition, you know?

But I get why this is confounding for people because there's no immediate solution other than trying to find a path around the actual system. But see, this is the idea is that government itself is not necessary for the world that we want to build. And until we can acknowledge or at least consider that part, we're never going to be able to get to where we want to go with it. But again, I digress because that's not what we're focusing on today. But it's frustrating. So let's take this into something I wanted to get into first. And I do want to talk about since it's kind of relevant to what we just talked about. about the kind of a state the patriot front this DC display and you know what that represents for

some what I see as sort of a larger all of government sort of divide and conquer tactic but first because it's just the one point on this then this kind of brings to what I think that that is um I guess in part designed to do deflect from stuff like this this is just one more thing we've all been calling out Trump administration approved three new forever chemicals that's PFAS pesticides last week for use on food crops, including corn, soybeans, the most widely grown crops in the country, as well as wheat, kiwi, oats, peas, broccoli, and coffee. Of course, the ones that they might force other countries to buy, you know, because that's what they seem not going to successfully do, I argue, but the joke implied that we're going to force people to buy our disgusting food

that nobody wants at the World Cup. But, you know, you get the point. And they're continuing to push and approve and support all of all of the things that were not just kind of like tangential, but we're like front and center in the Maha conversation. So what are your thought? mine or steves because steve you go either one well this is what we've come to expect from the trump administration and from maha in general is heavy rhetoric that sounds great and a result that gives immunity to bear montanto that provides a pathway to spray paraquot on everything that you know it's just long on talk and then the action is the exact opposite. You can look at the fluoride case for another example and a whole lot more.

And this is, you know, reinforcing the point that a governmental approach to this may not be the best solution. And as far as what, you know, what is going on the crops, the best way that you can mitigate that is to get to know the people who grow and produce the food that you can't grow and produce, have a handshake relationship with them, know what their first name is. You might even learn what their family's names are, you know, and that's, that's building a food system based on trust. And that's something that big ag can't provide you. It's something the state can't provide you.

It's only peer-to-peer relationships that you have active engagement in that can create that kind of trust. So please go do that. Yeah, well said. And, you know, it goes well beyond just the dangers of the pesticides, if you understand the direction this is all going in, you know, whether we're talking about just the nanotech or the graphene tracking stuff. These aren't jokes. These aren't hypothetical. There's tons of peer-viewed science discussing how to use these elements to better, you know, monetize, but also what's the word I'm looking for, you know, be able to track through metrics like

everything, like bodies of water, trees, you know, just like commodifying or tokenizing, like everything. and that's what this is going towards. You know, so to think about that in the context of what they're spraying on, you know, and naturally in their, you know, what they would frame in the,

in the environment versus just things that are giving you cancer or destroying your food supply or, you know, any number of those things. What do you think about it, Charlie? Moving into a natural asset corporation sort of world where you're, where you're putting everything on the blockchain and next thing,

you know, you know, you can't, you know, already the farms, small and medium-sized farms are under massive regulations. and they're forced to do things that others aren't. And it's created an uneven plain field in the farming industry subsidies like crazy.

The Adam Smith, Invisible Hand of Marketplace is giving a middle finger to everybody with regard to anything having to do with like the USDA and all the, where the government puts its thumb on the scale and just, you know, compensates farmers and pays them not to farm. and all these backward sorts of things that we're doing, it's chaos with our food supply. And I don't think it's accidental, which is the worst part about it is it seems to be made to happen. Setting up like a two-tier, in the same way they did with COVID,

where sure, there's a deadly virus and everybody's dying, we have to close the small and medium-sized hardware stores, but Lowe's and Home Depot is still open. I mean, same can be said about the factory farming. You know, things like that. You know, these rules apply. Maybe they apply to everybody, but only the big guys have the financial capacity to meet the rules. And therefore, it locks everybody else out. And it works like that. So, so they've, they've been manipulating and the marketplace for a long, long time. It'd just be nice to see what it looks like if the government took its thumb off the scale. That in and of itself would be,

I mean, obviously getting the chemicals out would be a nice thing. But what, What would the agricultural industry look like without government interference, I wonder? Well, you make a very important point there that's tangential to this, but equally important, like the idea of whether it's pesticides or anything else, where they create these bars to reach that they act as just, you know, what's necessary for safety, which aren't even really actually more safe, but then that completely box out the local cattlemen, the local farmer, you know, that's what they do and create it, make an impossible situation for them to actually do

the way they want to do it, which is actually what people largely want more. You know, but it's for your safety. You know, it is, it's by design. It's disgusting. You know, it's the idea that you're somehow not able to go get your raw milk or your local farmer or, you know, even do it yourself these days. I just, you know, these are fundamental things, aspects of our freedom that people just aren't, you know, if you're, it goes back to a classic idea of you're willing to give up your

freedom and your liberty for anything, let alone some convenience and safety, then you deserve none of them paraphrasing obviously you know and that's where we are right now and i like to believe that most people are suddenly becoming acutely aware of why that's so important whether that's because of the harmoos discussion and supply chains or you know feeling weirdly reminiscent of all the stuff they were fighting during covid 19 and a slightly different framing you know i think people see it one of the things i think is important to talk about on the back of that which i did want to make sure we talked about briefly is just this this engineered divide And, you know, I mean, maybe I'm wrong.

Maybe there's more, maybe there's one side that's actually fighting for your freedom. I just don't find that to be valid. But, you know, we're dealing with this interesting thing with the, you know, the Patriot Front, March. By the way, which is only one element of a larger sort of, you know, whether it's all, like, I don't think any of these are completely artificial. There are people within these, which I think we can prove that, like, believe what they're doing. There's also people that we can prove that are, and they're not faceless as they're going. They never investigated.

We know most of these people's name. I've gone back to, you know, post-January 6th, talked about the overlap with the Ozzov movement, and autumn wafton, and, you know, all these different groups that they connect back to, you know, so I think that there's level that go back to intelligence to Israeli, U.S., and multiple factors. But it's like, you know, clearly I think it's just like a false kind of creation to get people, you know, siding with, I mean, I don't, what do you guys think about this in regard to how it's being used? Before you answer, I will point out that I think it's interesting that, you know, you can easily highlight that Patriot front is not out there busting in windows and breaking things down.

That's not the argument that I'm making. I don't think it's about both of them doing the same thing. It's about both of them doing what's necessary for the side that they're on to drive us into a certain point of manipulation. But what do you guys think about this and the whole overlap of where it is currently with what Trump's doing? You're muted. We deserve better siops. We do. Yeah.

This is just, it's lame. It's tired. This wasn't even last season. This was like 2021 that we were dealing with this nonsense. And it's just it's so cartoonishly bad that it makes me kind of embarrassed. Not for the people who are trying to put this on it, but for us that we haven't demonstrated that we're savvy enough to deserve a higher caliber's eye up. I'm a snob when it comes to my false flag, Steve.

Yeah, an officiado. I demand it. With the respect that a true officiado has. I agree. Where are the shoes? Where are the bicycles? Where are the symbols that I'm saying? I don't get any of this anymore.

See, everything's degraded. Even the false flags are lower quality. I mean, it's just where are we? Can we start over? Turn off CERN and unplug it, plug it back in. whatever. Well, they did that. They did that a week ago Monday. They turned off CERN until 2030. The last the last time they did that was right before the announcement of the military Olympics. Oh, nothing happened after that either, I'm sure. Right, right. There have been a couple of different

periods where they've turned off CERN. And then within 30 days to 30 hours, there's been like major weather events, major market manipulation and crashes, things of that nature. So it should be interesting. I mean, it's never going to be boring. The collapse of the empire, it may be a lot of things, but boring it ain't. No, it's a writer. It's an embarrassment of riches. You kidding me?

I don't even know where I'm sitting on the hill surveying all of the carnage, wishing it wasn't happening. but my God, where do we, where do we start? It's, it's, it's frustrating, I think maybe, maybe this is how all empires, people felt in it with the end of the empire, but it's frustrating because you can see how it didn't have to happen. Mm-hmm. Where are the things that, that, the, the things that took it down in the end, the, the, you know,

that sped up the, the collapse were avoidable. preventable, injected into the situation to make it worse, you know. We didn't have to have, and it doesn't have to be the way it is. The things that are going wrong are being made to happen. The 20 million people coming across the Southern border, it's not accidental. It's intentional. So, so. You know, what does that mean?

Who's driving that? You know, because clearly that's not what seems to be in the interest of the U.S. government right now, like at least the people in those positions. So, you know, you know my opinion. I think there's obviously at least some element being driven from kind of Israel manipulation for whatever they believe through their prophetic end times destruction, which necessitates the collapse of this country. So it seems like an interesting possibility.

But I do think there's more factors than that. You know, like what do you guys think in regard to the incompetence point? You know, deserving better sciops? Like, what do you think that is? Do you think it's what I'm saying that it's like by design because it's supposed to be seen? Do you think it's because these people are just absolutely that incompetent? And then why is that the case? Like why, you know, how do you read that?

I just think it's an interesting time to reflect on where that is. It's just maybe just failing. Good, Charlie. Well, it's like, you know how like the oligart class has their offspring? And that generation is just not as competent as the one. And then they have, and then the wheels fall off by the third generation. They've squandered all the money. That's kind of how I feel like.

There was a time where when the intelligence. apparatus was so dialed in, you know, that, that early CIA, the FBI, all of that, where you just felt like when they put it together an operation, it was so good that you didn't know it was happening until decades later when you put on a tinfoil hat and looked into it and then you could see where it was all happened. But while you were in it, I think the hallmark of a good sciop or false flag is that while you're in it, you don't know you're in it. And I think, think that right now there are a lot of people that know they're in it. And so if you know you're in a sci-op, it's like less likely to impact you or you're more likely to go, oh, I've seen this part

before. This is where they do this and that. And then the media says that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so maybe it's because they've run them back to back so tightly together, you know, within the last couple of years. maybe they feel that there's like some sort of like the clock is ticking and they have to hurry up. But because of the tight window in which they've been running it, it feels like maybe people are paying attention in a way that they weren't in August of 2001, right? They didn't know what they, it wasn't on their radar to think about false flags. But now we live in a world where my 14 year old daughter made a comment to me about little St. James. you know what I mean I go how do you how did you know so if it's becoming cultural now so so I think the siops have to change um with the times yeah there's a ridiculous amount of like junior high

and high school kids that make Epstein related jokes that have context for for what the jokes are a framework for it and the you know plus side of short form video content, I guess, is that it's introduced what would have been complete conspiracy theory just five years ago as, okay, well, this is the way the world works. This is factual information based on what people in power have been caught doing, have been exposed, doing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so it's got to buy a story yesterday. Gen Z has taken it upon themselves in New York City to organize a festival called the Summer of Ludd based on the Luddites.

They do a play about the history of the Luddite movement and they're holding workshops on how to talk to people in real life and how not to be engaged and involved on screen. There was no online advertising for it. They don't allow, you know, recording audio pictures. pictures, anything like that. Like your phone goes in a Faraday bag if you bring it with you. And there is, it seems to be a lot of different natural, organic action to combat being forced

into the digital prison. Well, that's very interesting. And see, that just speaks to what we're talking about. I mean, obviously, question it, worry whether that could be some secondary, everything, right? Always. But if it's- Well, it happens.

It kicked off during press. ride months so it got hijacked by the LGBT. There you know, right? But let's just even say that it was led by people involved in that move. It still doesn't mean they could just be in our opinion misguided when it comes to certain other conversations. But it's still, this is the whole point going back to like the, you know, you're, you hate America because you have certain opinions.

Maybe or maybe they just are misguided or incorrect. You know, it's like we have to consider that people are, you know, I think it's everyone's at their different level of where they're seeing all of this. But I think it's definitely being seen, you know, which is the pot. I just am glad to hear that because even if. bottom line is that you have a grouping of people who should be the most kind of trapped by the new technological direction who are standing up and screaming for, you know, what would be arguably like a, like unabomber, you know, like that, like technology bad no matter what.

Like anytime that comes out, it's always framed as sort of a terroristic perspective, especially today with the flock, you know, you're a terrorist if you think we shouldn't do this. I just find that to be kind of inspiring that people are doing that, knowing it's going to get framed. Like most people aren't going to be okay with that. Most people would, even if they push back on the bigger point, would still go, but I want my technology for these reasons. You know, it's always so it's an interesting kind of push, but it's nice to see.

I think it's a, you know, do you think that, do you see that as an overreaction, Steve, like going completely no technology or do you think? Well, I don't need that. That's not even the point. It was just to kind of like, it used that and use the Luddites, especially what people think about them as a springboard for, conversation about, hey, look, we really are spending too much time on these freaking things. Hey, look, there are ways that you can decouple from the grip that technology has over you.

And I really don't know anybody who's advocating return to the pre-electricity days or anything like that. That's not it. It's just the awareness of the addictive qualities of all of these problems. of all of these products and the ability for people of any age, but they're targeting Gen Z people, to realize that there is a real life outside of the screen and that you actually have to learn interpersonal skills

and develop them so that you can communicate with people on a much, much deeper and better level. Well, we're all Gen X. So we're right in the middle. We had the one foot in the analog world and one foot in the digital world. So for us, we learned how to navigate both. We're sort of, you know, we gradually went into the digital world. But the kids now are born in the digital world.

They have no, you know, they don't remember the. So for them, it's actually probably even more inspiring than initially I thought because they should have no attachment to the analog. world at all and easily say, eh, that's the old way. It's horse and buggies to them, right? It could be. But for them to actually see that as a path to sanity and that, hey, you know, some of these people that are a little bit older, not the boomers, but maybe like the Gen X people who always seem to have been, be able to sort of, maybe not always, but seem to navigate this a little bit easier than some. They don't have the mental health breakdowns that the new, that the young kids seem to have. That seems to be,

heavily skewed towards people who are spending a disproportionate amount of time in front of screens or having these mental issues and things like that. Maybe they're rightly recognizing that there's a monster in there and that they want to go. So, I mean, it's easy for us, Gen X, to say, we see the monster in it and we want to go to a little bit more analog world because we were in it before. But for them who have no ties to that, that's impressive. And I mean, it's it's funny that it's appealing to that group i mean thank god it is because um because if it weren't you know then then we might we might be the last you know people who remember the hand no man there's there's there's at least pockets and growing pockets of you know young adults

because they are in their 20s now they're you know um who are it's and it's not even necessarily like a conscious stated rejection necessarily of, you know, all things and all life happening in the digital space. It's just I know, like my kid who's 20 now, like there's a whole bunch of people in the little California, you know, Gold Rush Redneck Town that he lives in. they all get together and shoe pool in somebody's garage and there's no to minimal technology in the garage they're you know they're just they're hanging out and socializing and doing that and no they're not quite old enough to get into a bar yet so they just sort of made one and now it's you know it's a social gathering spot when he goes out with his girlfriend and stuff like that they're

not just sitting there staring at their phones across the table from each other, you know, they're doing things or being, like, outside and active and stuff like that when possible. And then if they're at home or whatever, there's still, you know,

by and large, not just frozen on the phone. Right. And it's really cool. Because, yeah, you could, you go from when he was in high school and his little Instagram,

online thing would be on all the freaking time. Man. And now there's like, days where it doesn't. I just had my nephew was in, you know, here for about a week. And it's like, so have you guys seen,

I think we, Steve We might have just talked about this. I think it's called, what is it again? Good luck. Something don't die. It's that Netflix show. Oh, it'll help place it in your mind if you haven't. Basically, they're in the,

in that show. He's a guy come back from the future and basically says that AI is destroyed the planet. And he goes back to try to save it. It's a simple point. And what you end up seeing in this is this part of it where all the kids in their high schools are all like zomified by these phones, like in a real sense, like it's some kind of like AI manipulation of their mind. But what it shows is these like rapidly flashing Instagram style jumping videos. And what's weird about it is so I watch that. And I hate Instagram.

So I really don't even use it that much. And I'm thinking like it's a like hyperbolic version of that. You know, like just like this crazy flashing weird inconsistently like incongruent. like they don't even make sense together, right? And but these kids are like, Zomified. He was here with me and we had amazing time and a whole time we're trying to go outside and go do things.

And but all the time he's getting pulled to his phone. And it's exactly that. Like it almost kind of creep me out how exactly it's like this jumping, you know, he's growing up video to video and he'll jump to the next video and be like, Uncle Ryan, look at this. And I'm like, did you even watch it yet? Like, what are you showing me? Have you seen it before?

It's like, well, no. And it was like, so he's this weird impulse to be like, I don't know. It's like, it just feels very. unnatural. And it is, I mean, guys, we don't have to even debate about whether it's addictive and whether it's manipulative. They've told us that. And so it just creeps me out that we're talking about this, you know, these impressive, these young minds who are just getting, I mean, we're so far beyond like subliminal messaging and like 50s ads for Coca-Cola. I mean, I'm just terrified about what it's doing to them at this point, you know.

So I just want to bring that into it like a real world example of that. I mean, I'm sure everyone out there's dealing with the kids, Steve, you know, you're seeing it. It's terrifying. Yeah. Social media is the devil. It really is. I mean, it's, and it, it messes with their sense of worth and body image and all that stuff. It's really, it's really dangerous. And boys and girls, too.

Yep. Yep. Well, so let's bring this into the last part then that, you know, Steve and I briefly talked about. And interestingly, Steve, I have kind of a follow-up video for the one we looked at this morning. But we'll talk about the, you know, why this, I think, is. getting so much attention and so much, you know, the digital ID, you know, all of it is, is a very front and center conversation. And I think most average people are aware of this

to one degree or another, because even within the paradigm, it's, you can't ignore it. And so you have to have these kind of half versions of the conversation, which ultimately leads them into people like us, where they want to hear, you know, the larger perspective. So let's just start with first the SAVE Act point, as we briefly pointed to before. Massey is pushing back on July 6th. He said this. The irony, of Republicans trying to attach, which they're now doing the Save Act to a bill to the NDAA, that betrays our sovereignty by merging our military technology and supply lines with a country of 10 million people that's been at war with its own citizens for a 78-year existence.

Who are we saving? Now, Massey has had his own points about this, but what's frustrating to me is now it's sort of like, well, we all need the Save Act and now it's merging with this other bad Israel thing. But to me, the Save Act in and of itself is one of the large problems in all of this. And so it's just like no matter where you turn right now, it's becoming sort of like this necessity from the government perspective. As I'm sure our audiences have seen, I think we briefly already pointed to it. I believe it's very clearly a real ID, especially with the mobile driver's license point, point, excuse me, and all of where it goes, they're shoving this down our throats. And we brief, Steve and I talked about this morning, the Democrats pushing their global digital idea agenda.

So no matter which way you go, it's all kind of being forced down our throats. Steve also pointed out this morning. Supreme Court allows Texas app store age verification to stand. So that's also now happening as well as the fact that, oh, this I'll just include, I'll come back to this, technology you can use to fight all this stuff. But so all of this kind of rapidly happening in front of us, I mean, it's very clear why average people are choosing to scream in the other direction away from technology, you know. But so let's just in general sense take it wherever you want, you know, where this all goes,

digital ID, technocracy, people see it. What do you guys think? Go, Steve. But like we were talking about earlier, there does seem to be widespread resistance to this, even though there's a lot of well-heeled blue check people online who were talking about how beneficial all-encompassing surveillance is. It's not resonating, rank and file. And even we played the clip of the fly.

camera's being taken down in Houston and American flags being stuck in their place. The shop owner that they interviewed, like one of the first things out of his mouth was, I didn't even register that the camera was there. Well, that's kind of crazy that people are already so used to seeing cameras everywhere that it doesn't register when a new one pops up, number one. But number two, you did kind of hear it in his voice, we're like, I don't know, maybe they don't like, you know, having their civil liberty or their rights take it away. Maybe they're mad about that.

And I don't know if he was being snarky or not because it's hard to tell with that very mellow Latino accident. But, you know, in most cases, most people don't like being filmed all the time. I kind of felt, though, it was, you know, more of like, I don't know, maybe they just don't. Like, I didn't feel like it was almost as if that was a kind of an un-irapt. rational reason to do it. But this is just me kind of guessing at what his intention was. But there are people out there that feel that way. It's like, you know, what's what's one?

Where they care that they're being surveilled for your safety? I know, it's just a weird. Like, this comes back to that core point before. If you care, whether you agree with it or not about upholding our constitutional rights, or rather honoring the inherent rights that they are, then you can't just, you can't agree with this. Unless your stance is, well, I think we need to alter the Constitution. Like, no one's saying that, though.

You know, it's an obvious line that's being crossed. And it's one of a hundred thousand in front of us right now. It's all over. And we're starting to see them pumping stories into the media about how flock cameras are used to catch people, right? To catch it to bring this fugitive to justice, right? It's like, well, you want this guy to get caught, don't you? I mean, he's a bad guy. And we caught him because of the technology. This is amazing technology. It's like, well, we can want. the bad guy to get caught while simultaneously not wanting the invasive surveillance tech that you guys are using at the same time. Two things can be, we can separate them from from themselves and feel differently about both of them. So it seems like it's being normalized. It's going to probably at some point come down to a court case, right? Something's going to happen where somebody's either convicted or walks based on getting the flock footage thrown out and they get to walk when they're clearly guilty and that'll do something or you know I mean you you can see how this could

how this could be played but something tells me it'll happen in the court in a court case and that'll that'll make it real to normies at some point I'm gonna make sure you guys hear that out there but especially if everybody out there is you know if this is a count. where it's happening more than anywhere else. If you are potentially going to be in that jury, you have the legal right to discount the entire, jury nullification is your right. As a collective jury, you can decide,

well, regardless of whether he's guilty, we don't agree with the crime. We don't agree that it's a crime or whatever. We just don't think he should be guilty. We don't think you should be charged with that. You don't need a real justification. The jury can decide it's nullified. That's the power of a jury and why they don't want you to know that.

I think that's very important. But here's a clip by the, so Steve played the clip. earlier on a name wake up this morning of of the discussion of that and cutting them down putting the flag on it which is interestingly overlap with the point about it being you know we talked about the anti-American framing i kind of think that's why it's happening whether left or right it's about like good go ahead frame us anti-american we're doing this to protect american rights here's a follow-up clip about them being charged for it because they are being charged and i think

it's you know it's crazy to think about what is being charged and what's not and then look at the charges that are happening and compare that to you know like the example was made about the people, the left-leaning people that got charged with like 50, 100 years for, and one guy's not even being present at the protest and most of them not even being in line and knowing the guy that actually shot, which is where it all comes from. You know, and you may agree with that, but then compare that to what Jislin Maxwell got. You know, look at the people getting, I mean, it's insane bastardization of justice. So here's what these guys got for, you know, if you argue the vandalism, it's still about

defending your rights. Case and Real Rancho where license plate reader cameras were destroyed then replaced with the flag. Police say the man behind the crime cost the city thousands and damages. News 13's Bianca Hoops has that video. A series of vandalized cameras have Rio Rancho police questioning

who did it. So that's where our ALPRs were, the licensee reader. Someone stole the reader and replaced it with this flag. We had the same thing happened yesterday off of metalwork. When did they do that? I have no idea. In May, Rearancher Police found at least Three flock cameras, also known as license plate readers, destroyed.

The solar panels attached to them were stolen. Then a flag was hung on top of the camera poles. I think it's somebody who doesn't like license. Within days of the investigation, police pull over, a truck that matched the description of the car tied to the flaw camera incidents. In the car, they find multiple flags that were similar to the ones in the vandalized cases. The driver, 44-year-old Javan Martinez, was arrested for an unrelated warrant and has since then been released. Police say Martinez admitted to the vandalism when they asked about the flags, and he even took videos on his phone every time.

Oh, look at my work, gentlemen. So all these cameras popping around the flock cameras? They are not ours. Look at that. Then within a week, Rearancho police, got a warrant to look out for some of the missing equipment at Martinez's home, even bringing in... I wonder how they got that. How exactly did we get a warrant? What's the evidence? What's it based on? I mean, maybe there's something, but I think it's worth thinking about that.

Okay. So in this particular case, right? They pulled them over. They held him there long enough to find that he had an unrelated warrant. Then while they had him in the car, they questioned him about the flight. lock stuff, he admitted up front that he was the person that had done it.

So they then obtained a warrant for his house to see if they could recover any of the alleged stolen equipment. So then you've looked into this already because this is the person. Yeah, yeah, I played this. I played this on Monday show. Oh, good, good. Well, then the way that they kind of frame it makes it feel

like one thing was before the other. So you've looked into it. So let's keep playing. What team, because of his criminal history, including assault. Because I'm missing three solar panels and one clock cameras. Like I said, in the trash, it's thrown on the side. Because we track one here in this area. Police say Martinez caused more than $20,000 worth of damages.

And the reason this happened, John Barnes, is because of the history that you have before. Oh, yeah. I'm looking forward to. I'm so looking for this. You have no idea. Now, the point was he ultimately got released, right? like it ultimately didn't really charge him as i just think that's sort of a win in the long sense

anyway you know what i mean like what but i i think we will have to wait for the kind of precedent setting case on this you know where that ultimately goes but i i think these are already doing far more than what they claim anyway oh yeah have you seen this already this this is the you know additional part of this and there's there's that was like carbuzz dot com did a whole article about this in the 16th of june it's very it's becoming mainstream these things are simply things you can click on top or place on top of the flock cameras, which allow them to absorb like your text messages and Wi-Fi and stuff. It's insane.

And this thing is packed to the hilt with Israeli intelligence. I've found over the years looking into all of this technology that the car, like the car talk guys, not Tom and Tom from car talk, but like in general in a broad sense. You know, the vehicle dudes, they're on this very early screaming about it, but because it's such a niche corner of the internet, it doesn't really bleed over. So anybody who's really into the automobile industry or covers it a lot is going to have a significant amount of work about all of the surveillance crap

because, you know, there's a purist type mentality for car aficionados. And it's really like the least, you know, the least amount. of computer interference with you and your ability to handle this machine. And so that, you know, love and revere the muscle car era because there's no computer brain in it. Right. And now every time there's an upgrade in invasive technology, you usually get a good chunk of these guys, you know, being like, this is absolutely ridiculous. What the heck? Here's what it is.

Here's the patent numbers. Here's the part number. All that kind of stuff. On the surface is insane. I think I mentioned to you guys about when I was traveling, when I was in L.A. For my father's in the hospital. And I'm never getting a rental car again for this very reason.

It would literally decelerate. Is that the right word? Delorate for the car. So it's got cameras everywhere. Like, it's reading, it's blinking at you when there's not even a car of that close because it's just close enough behind you.

Like, you know, it's going to cause accidents, in my opinion, both because you let it tell you it's there, even though it might be wrong. My point was, though, that it's clearly, you're trying to accelerate, and because it's too fat, it'll pull back on the car.

That's going to kill somebody. But all that said, you know, all the cameras and all that stuff, I mean, that's just, it's insane. You don't, whether it's from an idea that you want to be able to control the machine yourself without an influence or just that, you know, the far more alarming realities of what that's actually leading to is somebody points out about not just Tesla's, by the way, but that's one of the many with the most cameras are out there, mapping everything, viewing everything. people are making points about, you know, look at China and look at these things that are out there filming.

It's like, it's all over. We just don't see it the same way, right? It's already happening in our country. We just view it differently because it's Elon's or whatever other companies. And it's far more than Tesla's. You know, it's all encompassing at this point. It's Michael Hastings flying into a tree at 100 miles an hour. Right.

Of course, overlapping that in the Vault 7 understanding about how these things can literally be framed as anybody else, which has already happened more than once, you know, leave the fingerprints of Iran or whatever. or Ron doing that of the United States. Absolutely possible. From Michael Hastings to Mitch McConnell's sister-in-law, right? Go ahead. It's just, no, I mean, it is. That's a horrible way to go, having your Tesla drive you into your pond on your property

and then giving you the, I don't think so, Dave, when you're like, we're rolling down the windows, then, no, no, we're not. No. Yeah. I mean, however you look at that, even if you think it was just some sort of, of weird glitch. It's still just as terrifying. That's why exactly, exactly, why I don't want anything like that. Or have a smart home that could shut your doors on you and not let you out. I mean, these are real things that have actually happened. This is, even if it's the fringe

glitch, I don't want it. But let alone the idea that some power entity could decide to just silently take you out and be like, oopsie, AI glitch, we'll fix that. You know, no one's responsible because it's a machine. We have to fix it. It's a glitch. Firmware update. Sorry that you died. Right. It's not even worth laughing. It's just to you know, it's, yeah, it's, it is quite insane where this all is. But I think it's a good place to leave it for today. Thanks for joining, Steve.

It was good to have you on the show, brother. Thanks for the invitation, man. Insanity going on. But I'll end with the clip that I'm sure everyone has seen because it really does kind of, it's only one example of an endless stream of misidentification. But I love this one, as I'm sure you both played, where he sees a hundred percent certain, he says more than once, about how these cameras can lead to people being falsely accused, whether by design or incompetence or, you know, just whatever.

It's obviously why we should be very, you know, aware and push back on these things, in my opinion. But anything to leave us with, either one of you, before we take off today? No. Oh, no. This clip is going to kick in my situational Tourette's for sure. Phil to scream all you want. I'll pull us back. So don't worry.

All right, guys. Well, thanks for joining today. And we'll, Charlie and I'll be seeing you in a couple of weeks. And Steve, I'll see you next Tuesday. Thank you for turning in today. As always, question everything. Come to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant.

Have cameras everywhere in that town. You can't get a breath of fresh air, in or out without us knowing. Chrysana Elzer learned the power of flock. You were in town from 1152 until 1209. Exactly. Like I said, nothing gets in or out of the town without us knowing. When a Colorado police officer showed up at her door holding, flock snapshots of her truck.

And here's when you left at 1209. That's when you left, Tom. To get. No, to stop at Ridge Trail. Wait a minute. And take a package. Well, there's no shushing. I don't need to be...

Yes, sir, I need to know where this is. The first thing he pulled out on the body cam is that flock picture, the clear photograph of your car. But here's your vehicle in the neighborhood many, many times, apparently casing houses, because you just can't drive through. for work or visit other businesses. You can only be casing houses. It is her. It is 100%. It is locked in. There is zero doubt. I wouldn't have come here unless I was 100% sure. 100%. It is certain. It is on video. You're obviously welcome to go to court.

Krissana was charged with stealing a package. But it wasn't her. The porch pirate was somebody else. Multiple times you tried to show him your video evidence. He didn't want to see it. No, even when I called him back, he said, that's not my job. You looked at a time of a crime. You saw my vehicle entering in the flock. No, no, what I did was, I did an investigation. You called my wife a liar. You know what this is fact.

I have video evidence. I don't know what you want me to say. The charges were dropped after Cressana spent weeks trying to get the police chief to look at her evidence, time stamped video from her truck and a neighbor's doorbell camera showing she wasn't at the scene of the crime. What does it say about where we are that you feel you have to have more cameras than the police have in order to make sure you can prove yourself innocent? It sounds like it flipped the script to you're guilty until you prove yourself innocent. Without a flock camera, that detective would not have been at her door. By his own admission, he pulled out the flock picture of her car.

Do you want to apologize to Chrisana Elzer for what happened to her? For the police misusing the tools? I don't think that I have to apologize for him. He wasn't, I mean, other than being reprimated for his attitude. Sure. But I would tell you that like, should I apologize for somebody misusing a tool? I don't think so. Flock Safety Chief Communications Officer Josh Thomas. Who's watching the watchers in these cases?

Well, the city council, the city owns the data. So city council would have the appropriate responsibility in that case. Our point of view has always been that it is not Flock's job to police the way police do their work.