The Last American Vagabond - What The Hell Is Happening w/ Charlie Robinson (8/19/26)

Episode Date: August 20, 2026

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control exactly what people think and that is our job what the hell is happening what the hell is happening our home way making things happen the world is our state what the hell is happening what the hell is happening the propaganda was the best on the planet it's already what the hell we could step up the passion it's happening happening it's already happened the madness of the new cycle spitting the wheel of chaos Welcome back to another episode of what the hell is happening with myself Ryan Christian and Charlie Robinson to discuss the madness of the political chaos and all the different cycles of the news going around today. But, you know, as always, plenty to get into. How are you today, Charlie? I'm fine. I'm great. We've had a, we had a recent little election selection recently. So I think everything is going to be fine now. The people's voices have been heard. Right. And we're certainly on our charting a course towards democracy, I think.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's it. guys. Have a nice night. Bye. We're all winning and everything is going well. You mentioned an interesting story. We could just start with that that I definitely think stands out. You know, it's clearly relevant to a lot of different things going on in the world today, both foreign and domestic and also touches on something you just, in a event you went to.

So let's jump into that. Sure. I was at Lieber Polko this last week in the first week in the, Free Republic of Liberland, which is actually in Serbia. There's a dispute, there's an island in the Danube between Croatia and Serbia, disputed island that the folks at Liberland claimed for their own 10 years ago. And they have been in a battle to, really a battle with Croatia more so than Serbia. They've been pretty cool to deal with. And they've built a new country. The Free Republic of Liberland. And it's a bunch of anarchists. It's Witt. Jalyshka is the president. I've had the pleasure of introducing him to the

stage in Mexico on three different occasions. And this time they had me come out to Serbia to manage the stage and hang out with all the Libraland guys. And it was, it was great. It was like a miniature anarcho polko, really, just for the European brothers and sisters who came out. It was packed. It's a great three-day event. And we had an interesting thing happened that I thought was noteworthy. for these events. Now, you know, there's always somebody, right? I do a little thing when I go out as the emcee of an archipulco on day one, you know, how many people is their first time at an narcoe, raise your hand, how many people first time here in Mexico, raise your hand if this is,

if you came because of Jeff Berwick, raise your hand, if you came because of Max Egan, raise your hand, raise your hand if you're a Fed and then, you know, I look and see, everybody got their hand up, you know, because, you know, you figure there's always one, right? You know, Simon, Diamond didn't say, raise your hand. So it's kind of a little bonus game you play, find the Fed, right? You assume there's going to be one. And I kind of didn't really have that mindset going into Liverpool. I was so focused on all of my work duties that I wasn't really doing that. But an interesting thing happened that I did notice because I was in charge of the stage. And I noticed that And I noticed that Max Egan, for those of you who know Max Egan from the Crow House, he looks like Obi-1 Kenobi, Australian guy. He's been doing this for a long time. Good friend of mine. I noticed that Max had two speaking spots the first day and the last day. He's never done that. Normally he speaks on the first day and everybody, you know, he always, you know, gets the crowd off to the right start. But he had two slots. And I said, this is going to be fine because everybody wants to hear Max. More Max is fine. But I didn't really think much of it.

So he went on day one, and then on day two, we had more speakers. I did my presentation on day two. And there's a guy who I had to wrangle as stage manager. I got to make sure you got your presentation uploaded to the right place and that you're ready to go and that I can get you on stage in the next three minutes. So I need to know who you are. And some of the people I knew from working with them in years past and some of the people were brand new.

So there's one guy who was brand new to me. And he looked like, you know, he looked like a rich guy from Europe. He was Dutch, had his hair slicked back, kind of, look like a Gordon Gecko type banker type suit jacket no tie he was very nice to me and uh I introduced him to the stage I listened to his presentation a little bit but I was running around after his presentation I had somebody come up to me go did you hear that guy's presentation it was fucking wild pardon me it was wild and I said uh no what do you mean he's like well there's a part of he starts talking about like the good thing about this intentional community that we're that we were

we were thinking of working on is you know we have a lot of you know children we can you know we sort of introduce them to concepts a little bit earlier like introduced them to sex a little bit earlier and everyone went what like everybody apparently was just kind of like a little bit repulsed by that comment for obvious reasons and somebody went out the back door and said there's something wrong with this guy and found max and so they started looking into this guys within 15 minutes we found an old photograph of the guy wearing a green Israeli Defense Force t-shirt from many years ago when he looked a little bit different but still the same. And that was our caught the fed in the crowd moment, right? So Max and I had a conversation about this. What do you do? What do you know,

do you know, do you know, I mean, you don't want to, you're not trying, we're not trying to create problems here. But we said, look, I mean, if we don't catch this guy and someone else catches him, then we're all stained by this. Stained by association. Jeff, the Vitt, the president, all these people, right? We didn't know him. We didn't invite him.

The Vitt, the president of Liberland invited him. He didn't know. So on the second presentation that Max had, I said, yeah, man, I think, like, what are the, when have you ever had two slots? He said, never. He said, you give one presentation the first day, and you get an opportunity to give a second presentation on the third day after this guy's already talked.

That's the universe telling you something. So Max went up there on the big screen behind him. We put the Mossad logo by way of deception, thou shalt do war. And then we pulled up and did a slide show and made a slideshow and literally put his photo there and said, this guy's an infiltrator. I never saw him after that. Disappeared. Did he say anything? He just vanished. He wasn't there. We didn't see him that morning. And if he was coming, he got the message in advance and didn't show up after that. I mean, he might have gotten the message. Because if he had walked into it, he would have been sent packing. He wouldn't have even got through the front date. So it was one of those things. It's a reminder. It's a great conference. I mean, the anarcho polko and Liberpulco, which is a spinoff of it. The producers are friends of mine. They are in it for the right reasons. They don't make money.

on it, it's like, let's try to break even. That's the goal of these events, right? This isn't some big moneymaker. They are passionate about what they do. And somebody like that coming in and infiltrating can throw a monkey wrench in years of work. And so it was a good reminder to to always have your guard up for things like that. And even when you're, you know, even when you think you're, you think you're surrounded by a bunch of like-minded people. I mean, maybe you are. In fact, you really are surrounded by them. But it only takes, it only takes one. And, you know, when Max was right, this could have been a way in which to group all of us and guilt us by association. Well, you're doing presentations with IDF people, but we didn't know. He was,

you know, it got caught. You know, Max figured it out within hours, right? So it didn't turn into a thing. But that is the reality in which we live in. There will be people who will try to infiltrate your little group, especially if it's a do-gooder group. you know and they will try to to do something um that is not in alignment with you and make you look bad so again well in the end nothing nothing ultimately bad happened because of it we were able to make for an interesting story but it's uh but it is uh again it's where we are it's where we are in this world and obviously it could be you know possibly something large it could just be people that don't like what you're doing politically you know it's like these things exist in the world now do you

Do you think it's, I mean, was it simply just the shirt? Is it, like, is it possible you think that in that community, there are people that don't see what I think is objectively the problem that IDF is and that they might just not understand that difference? Do you think there's an overlap there? I thought hard to believe, but. No, they were universally disgusted when they saw the shirt. And the shirt was enough.

In fact, the shirt was, it was this, even if you're wearing that shirt as a joke, that's not the sort of joke that we would ever find funny. So you got to go. Right, right, right. You know, and so it was automatic disqualification. It was, it was automatic. My thought on this is interesting is that, you know, it overlaps with, and we see this everywhere right now, these, well, whether it's like the network state thing, all these different

conversations where there, I mean, there are obviously good examples of people trying to create deliberate communities like Derek, for example, and what they're doing there. So the point is, I know there are people out there who want to try to co-op these things, We want to try to drive them into the ground or make them look bad and destroy them. You know? And so I get the, my thought would be that's where this would come from is something that's trying to take these things and turn them away from what represents an actual representation of, you know, whether it's libertarianism or anarchy or whatever it is, the real version

of that versus what they're pretending or doing over here. And so whether it's co-opting or just sabotaging, that's what my gut would tell me, you know. So it's very interesting. And yeah, I think that's happening all the time. Now, go ahead, go ahead. Well, just to play off that, because my presentation on day two, which I went like two slots after this guy, my presentation was talking about mainstream media and how they manipulate people. But I made a reminder to the audience, you know, when you're trying to change somebody's mind

or you're trying to adjust the narratives, you don't have to turn somebody 180 degrees. You just have to move them a tiny bit off course. I called it, you know, it's the Nudge unit. And you just put them, you know, three degrees off course, given a long enough to that, that'll take them far away from where they thought they were going to be going, right? So any, so real good propaganda is subtle, you know, if done correctly. You don't have to turn someone from a Republican Trump supporter into a Democrat. I think that's unrealistic. You just have to get them to not be a Trump supporter anymore. And that is not a 180 degree turn. That's just getting them off of whatever it is. Insert political candidates. it there, right, it doesn't have to be Trump. But you don't have to make them love the other side.

You just have to get them to question their own side just a little bit more than they were doing before. Yeah, but see, you know my opinion. I feel like it goes well beyond trying to get them to hate the other side. Well, I guess outside of the idea of trying to create the ongoing division, so maybe there you go is the exact point. You know, as long as they have, you know, basically look at the other. So I guess what's saying, though, is that it gets them to try to change sides, which I don't feel like that's in the interest of what I think the system does. But I get your point, though, either way, whatever the example, it's about trying to to derail what's happening, try to, you know, get them off course, which is the point.

But what's interesting, though, is that I get the mindset of like the way I read it all is that it's like they want people to be dug in with a side, whatever side that is. So they constantly fight against the other while they do whatever the F they want. You know, that's, but yeah, I do think, I mean, this is constant, you know, and look, like I said before, whether it's governments, which is a whole thing or a company who just doesn't like what you're saying about their company or doesn't like, you know, or whatever it is, there's corporate elements that raise the level. of what we're seeing with intelligence and might as well be blurred that line today like

everything else it is you know and so that's it doesn't always have to be the government trying to attack you for a government agenda could very well be something financial corporate but these things are very clear like the example back to the um checker convoy you know all it takes us one jackass being paid to go out there with a nazi flag all of a sudden the whole thing is a nazi rally you know and it's it's very easy and i don't think most people really fall for that as much as they might have before because it's, I think, both sides now of the two-party illusion recognize that tactic. They still allow themselves to, you know, accept it by the people I don't like, but somewhere in that you know that that happens, you know, misrepresentation is rife today.

And I think that's, in a way, kind of shooting themselves in the feet with the way they conduct these agendas, you know? We certainly do have a population now. It's hard to, it's really difficult for me to say that the population is more educated because It's laughable. But they are a little bit more aware, yes, of the tactics in which could be. Like, as an example, before 9-11, I had never heard the term false flag. Once somebody explained it to me in terms of like pirate ships, you know, you lower one flag, put it your other flag. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. That would be a good tactic. I'm a reasonably intelligent person. I should have been able to figure that out. I just didn't know there was like a really a term for it. And then somebody tells you the term. And then you go, boom. Oh. yes, that makes sense that I understand that whole concept. I didn't know that was a thing, you know, and now you do. And now because you know that false flags exist, you now are saying, I wonder if that's a false flag, you know, moving forward. So now you're starting to ask a question

that you wouldn't have asked before. So in some respects, I guess it's better that at least people know some of these terms and these tactics and their eyes are open to it. They may not, they may still be so biased that they only see it in the other side and never. recognize it in their own side and that might be a, you know, bridge they never cross. But at least people are starting to recognize that there's, that sometimes the tactics aren't exactly what you, they appear to be. Sometimes they make, boy, they're certainly making your, your team look really stupid out there, like so stupid in fact that I have to ask, is it even your team out there acting stupid or is it the other team pretending to be your team acting stupid to make you look bad?

Oh, that's a concept, right? Now it's in your head. You can never unknow it. So that's, That, I guess, is the good news from, if there's good news, that's the good news. I say, and then graduate to the larger level, which is that all of them are doing it, all of you all of the time for the interest of, you know, like we just talked about, but I think that it's clearly, like you said, even if they see half the story, it's a step in the right direction. Like they're now, now, and like you said, false flag, you know, whether it is a false flag or some other element of deception, their mind is now open to the idea of how you can be deceived. And, you know, it's amazing that you have to be like, dexterably obvious that people,

lie to you. It's like, come on, do we exist in the world? But it's, it's how we're socially engineered to think they're altruistic. The white lab coat means they care about you. It's like, you know, maybe, but not always. And usually seems today is less likely. But yeah, I definitely think that that is an ongoing, you know, a battle. But I, I think like you said, it's about the awareness, not necessarily intelligence, but I, it's, it's about not being taught these things. You know, like you get raised up in this society and you're not taught these basic under these concepts. So it's not even something your mind goes to. You know, so it's like once you connect those dots, like you're highlighting, people have their journey,

you know, and I think that's what we're going through right now. It's very interesting. Before I move past it, is this is current, uh, because I believe he had a different one for. Oh, no, that's, that's, that's, that's, uh, that's a, that's a, that's a, max is, uh, max is, uh, I don't, I don't know if he's on X, he would, he was a, the crow house is his, is his show. I thought. And it's on bit shoot mostly, but people know him from walk and talk videos. They know him from Jeff Berwick mostly and things like that. I mean, he's been doing it for a while. If anyone was going to do that, it was going to be Max. He's the perfect. He's been doing good work for

a long time about things along with, you know, stuff that were like the same kind of thing. There's a lot of people. Like I remember looking at his work when I was first starting this, you know, and been talking about things that are now coming to fruition. So even as first, We may be, imagine how frustrated somebody like that. You know, it's like, just like for, I've been saying it for 20 years. You know, it's like, that's got to be frustrating. Yeah, and you wind up kind of coming full circle in going from like wanting to sit people down and lecture them and changing it to just at that point, you're, you've done said everything

you can say. And if people don't want to listen, they're not going to listen. You want to focus on yourself, the people around you and prove that, the quality of your relationships there. It's like, you get to a point where you're like, you know, I'm not actually. selling this information. If you don't want it, don't take it. That's fine. I'm just talking about it. If you want it, great. If you don't, that's okay. But it's, at least that's where I've gone. I know exactly what you're saying, man. And here, it's hard because I agree, right? I mean, I've been there

and I come there all the time. I get to that point. But I more lately than usual, I'm thinking, like, is that like a detriment to me. Like, because here's the thought is that it's like, you, it is for like, I guess in my perspective, in my context, I talk about things. We both do. We both this and we'll talk about something a long time before it's like very common in the conversation and then and then i'll talk about it again you know another story comes up oh man like take it any number of examples in the shows we've covered you know and you go oh this is thing look at this thing that's crazy and then another story comes around you're like man why isn't we're talking and then eventually you just go okay well i've i've really really talked about this i've researched the hell out of it

and it's there you know and then six months go by and tucker carlson does a three percent version of it you know or whatever i should even use him because he's not even the best example today But he does, though. And you go, okay, is there value in me going back through all the stuff? Maybe, maybe because you're going to reach somebody new. But it's like, so these days, I'm more off than not just go, you know, damn it, like it's there. But I wonder if that's a detriment.

I wonder if that's exactly the problem. And we should just go back through it again and walk people, spoon, feed people into the important things. This is where I always come back to what I think our real job is, at least in my perspective, is reaching the people who don't see it, and at least giving them the opportunity to make their own mind up about whether we're actually. as opposed to high-fiving with everyone around us that we see it, which also is important that we keep people in the know and that we're,

you know, keeping the community together. But it's like, I feel like I aim aggressively towards that one person and often, you know, push out some people that get, you know, oh,

here he goes again about that same video. You know, it's like, I don't know. It's a battle, man. It's hard. And I know everyone gets it.

but it's just always that juggle, you know? Yeah, the dilemma I have is between either, I'm just not going to tell you about it anymore because I'm done tired. I'm tired of talking about it. Or if I do talk to you, I'm probably going to be a bit of a jerk about it. Because you should have figured this out five years ago.

The first time I was talking about, if I have to sit you down and explain it to you, I'm going to be a bit annoyed. But I always do. You know, if somebody, if I think maybe it's, it's this way. If somebody asks me, I'll tell them whatever I've got. I'll give them everything. If somebody doesn't ask me, I have a harder time volunteering the information to them because I've had so many people just be like, no, thank you. And so I, you know, I'm sort of there if you need me, but not. And I, and I, this is my policy with like my, my good friends who I've known forever, who are normies, who I told about the vaccine in 2020 and made them promise to call me before they took it. And they didn't call me. They all took it. And then call, they did call me on a group call and said, Pfizer gang, Pfizer gang. And I said, you guys are all going to die early from heart attacks.

and they hung up on me. So, you know, with that, I don't volunteer anything anymore with them. With that group, you guys, you're my friends, I love you, but like with my information, my information is for people who value it. And you have no value for my information.

So I'm not going to give it to you. Yeah. I hear you, man. It's, but even so, like, this is where my same thing. It's like 100% agree. I literally am right there with you and I feel the same thing,

but I question whether, you know, should we rise above that? You know, and I'm sure you think of the same thing, Charlie, because it is a dilemma. And you know what? I think the answer is for certain people, yeah, probably you rise above it anyway and just say,

look, ultimately it's about getting it right, not being right. And I'm not trying to be like, you know, I'm not trying to dunk on anybody. But it is, it is demoralizing when you have friends or people close to you who you know you have banked goodwill with. You've known them for a long time.

They have no reason to not. not trust you. They may not understand the words that are coming out of your mouth, but they certainly don't, they shouldn't distrust you. And especially when it's like, who do I listen to? My friend who I trust implicitly, who, or this guy on television who I don't know who's telling me I need to do it. If you made that choice, that's disrespectful to me as well. You didn't even call me to ask. You know, so to me, there's part of it is like, you know, like maybe we need to have the talk

about you guys apologizing for having your heads up your asses first before I start to give you any more of the good stuff. I mean, I meet with a lot of people who are doing alternative healing things, projects and, you know,

they have options here. There are options to turn this around. I'm not very enthusiastic about talking to people about those solutions who are currently shitting on me. You know what I mean? And being disrespectful to me. So a lot of this is like, well, you know what? Good luck to you. Everybody's going to have to come to this information on their own. And I've been open for business for free for a long time. You guys want to come over. But if you don't want to stop,

that's fine. But if you don't want to stop and you want to insult me for it, you know, in the future, I just don't know how much empathy I'm going to have for you. Oh, you're sick and the wheels have falling off. That's a shame, man. I mean, we had this conversation years ago, and you told me I was crazy. So what do you want to do? You know, it says about who they are, whether or not, you know, truly, that's there. I don't care what the, what the, what the, what the catalyst is. They made a choice to, to, to, you know, it shows you who they really always were, at least to a degree. And so I would have still argue, though, I just, I think I know you enough to know that even if it did happen, that you probably still care. You'd probably still go, you got what you deserve.

And you probably wouldn't call them, but you'd still go, you know, that's us to, you, you probably feel bad for them as opposed to go, yeah, you know. There's no victory in this. Exactly. No, I know. And that's important to everyone that watches you and knows you are, Charlie. But I think what's frustrating is just that that exists and that we have to battle that because of dishonest people in power who convince them, they love them and care about them when

they couldn't care less, you know. And that we actually just mentioned you. And I think it was, he might even have the clip, I think on A. And wake up where he said basically, you know, I hate to break news, but your government hates you or something like that's you saying that. It's like, exactly. Your government hate your guts and want you dead. Yeah.

Oh, sorry, it just seems to be the reality. On that note, since we brought it up, you know, what are your thoughts on the current vaccine thing? Like, we talked about this early on around the Stargate point. I still think I've just still still blown away how that wasn't enough to just derail the whole thing and maybe it really was and we just don't see it. But now we've gone even further. You know, you've got new Pfizer funding for two to, for an adult, a kid shot.

You've got multiple self-amplifying shots that are in the works, and they lied about that during the ending of the COVID shots. They leaned into those, and they still even have the Kermerni shot, which arguably isn't ostensibly isn't self-amplifying. But now you've got the FDA approving MRI flu shots. And that's right after they return the compulsory level of it to new recruits. You know, I just want your thoughts on it because we haven't talked about this in a minute. I'm just, it's crazy, man, that we're even still having this conversation. Yeah. And what they did was they misled with the headline.

in RFK Jr. Re-evaluate the schedule from 72 down to 11, right? And you go, wow, that's a victory. I mean, how can it not be a victory, right? You are coming down from 72 to 11. That's going to be a victory of some sort. Just in terms of fewer doses has to be better. Positive, yeah, to some degree.

Yeah, except that they're MRI. Right. So, I mean, what is, let's say it's, I don't know, seven times worse for an mRNA. Now you're right back to where you started. And so you're you're not fixing anything. You're giving the illusion that you are by adjusting the schedule. So people who read a headline but don't read the story go,

things are better. Trump's doing something. RFK juniors in there. He's fighting for us. First thing, you know, he took one color of artificial dye out. And now this, boy, he's really got our back. And then you read a little bit below the headline and you go, wait, Moderna's doing this.

Moderna, who is 0 for 8 on products, bringing products to market, that they never got a product to market without an emergency use authorization? Great. What could possibly go wrong with this? Self-amplifying technology? Oh, so you put it in the body and then it just continues to grow. So like the first side, by the way, though, I won't be able to think about that. Like, that's literally what the science revealed about what the original shots were doing.

And don't forget, we pointed this out about the Pfizer documentation that went back to the trials. which listed the original BN2B21, whatever, the original, the rudiment ended up being used as self-amplifying. I still have that save, but the point is that later listed to something else. I'm convinced that that was the original version

that it produces the spike protein and it continues to and it circulates. That's what the new ones are aimed at. You know, that's interesting. Maybe they just changed the definition of what self-amplifying means. Problem solved, right? They could just do that, right? And say, well, yes, we said it before, but actually it meant this and now it means this or whatever.

So they're playing games. They've been playing games with, I mean, I, again, who is lining up for these shots after what we've been going through? First of all, let's ask that question. And if you're making the calculation with, oh, you know, do I take the Pfizer? Do I take the Moderna? again, this is not like picking the brand of car you'd like to buy so that it's some status symbol, or maybe it is for some people, I guess. But this is, it's crazy to me that there's not, that the upper management of Moderna isn't let away in handcuffs after what we just went through for the last six years. But this is all part of a plan. it's it's all part of a plan that the pharmaceutical industry has been involved in for a very long time

they want you sick they would prefer i mean if you're dead that's fine too or the state but not but but if you're sick enough that you can just stay on the treadmill of constantly needing their their magic potions to to to stay alive or to allow yourself the freedom to go to work you know now you've got the the stamp on your vaccine card because you took it i mean this is is cattle behavior. This is embarrassing animal farm behavior by the people.

I don't know. You know, there's, I, you and I are rightly infuriated by the behavior of Moderna, the Trump administration,

Operation Warps feet, all of this, rightly angry. But where's the percentage of my anger that is allocated towards the general public? Because they play a role

in this too. Your job is to also not do everything that you're told to do by the state, by the, by the, the commercials, by by Anthony Fauci, by your by whoever you perceive to be in a position of authority. Like if you're still signing up for this after COVID, man, there's part of me that says, oh well, like, I don't know what else to tell you. What, what more do you need to see? Maybe you're just going to be, you're going to follow rules. Somebody just told you to walk the plank. You'd do it with your mask on. And by the way,

as I was traveling over the last week or so, you see those people, everybody who's gone through an airport, you see the people who are still wearing the masks. And I don't mean the people in Asia because it's kind of cultural there. I mean people in Europe where they don't normally wear masks. You see somebody in a family where they're all wearing masks, what's your opinion? First thing that goes through my head is these people are broken forever. They're never going to get better. Their minds have been shattered. And I see the results of that still. So it's not as though COVID in the era of that is gone and forgotten. People have been permanently altered, physically altered, medically, their health has been altered, but also just psychologically shattered into believing absurdities and unable to form realistic opinions. They're simply just reacting to what they're. being told and they live a life of fear. And I can't even imagine what's going through their heads when they see somebody like me, you know, just carefree, not wearing a mask, you know,

just living my life. It must be so appalling to them. It's anger, I think, frustration, you know, because they look at you and they go, how did, you know, because their minds are usually that this is dangerous and you're risking everybody's lives. And so it's like this immediate anger toward you for doing that wrong thing or being free. when you're not supposed to be. You know, that's what it comes down. You're not doing what you're supposed to be doing. You know, they're order followers.

And as we both know, a lot of people, I mean, I don't know. I can't honestly tell you that. Who knows what the actual number is? But plenty of people want that. They want to be told what to do. They want to be controlled. And whether they admit it to themselves, we know that part exists. But I think a lot of it is, like you said, just fear-based.

I think they've been convinced of things that they'll never really try to, you know, address because they've kind of outsourced the authority in their life. And that's, this goes to the larger conversation we've talked about of just, you know, the illusion of authority, government voting, the whole thing is that that's what they already have decided. This isn't my responsibility. I have a job to do. That's them. They do that. I listen to what they're told. You know, it's, that's just sad. That's a different thing than fear. That's a like a hierarchy problem, like where they've just accepted that the life of, you know, their job is an is to automaton to do what I'm told and to follow orders. They exist, you know? But that mixed bag clearly, I think is diminishing. I still think that. I think like to your point about the shots, last I checked and who. knows how it's changed now, but I think it was what, like 20-something percent that even the healthcare workers had taken that last shot. So, I mean, that shows you right now that nobody's doing this. But I think the point is to carry this over, kind of drifted, you know, until we just kind of lose touch with what all this was until they can just use the precedent to restart for another reason. Or, you know, it becomes a lockdown for different reasons like we've been talking about with

the flock overlap. But that's what I see coming. They certainly have figured us out psychologically. They, they tend to know we have a short memory for things. People will forgive quite easily and move on to the next issue, especially if you scare them properly enough, that will, everything that they previously believe they could either convince themselves to forget or convince themselves to re-remember if they need to, if they believe that either their life is in danger, or if they believe that their status within the herd is in danger, or if they feel that they are unable to show everybody that they are compliant. I mean, they, like you said, it's the rule followers. That's the thing that has had, that was one of the epiphanies I had when I sort of woke up to all of this. The people who will get you killed the fastest are the ones who are following the orders and following the rules. They will. And that that is actually where the biggest problem. Not though you'd think it would be the ones who break the rules. Those are actually.

the ones you want to follow. The people who are blindly obedient to authority are far more dangerous than the rule breakers because they will, they will compel you to try and act against your own self-interest simply because you are outnumbered. And that is, that's, that's insane, but something that people need to recognize from a psychological standpoint moving forth. But, you know, say what you want about COVID and everything. You know, what did it accomplish? They got another a good batch of data on how we behave as a society when certain inputs are entered and you'll see how. And I imagine like a coach making adjustments at halftime, you would look at that data from the 2020 and 2021 years and see where you had made some mistakes, see where you had been successful.

And the next time around, the fear campaign could be dialed in, those, those adjustments. adjustments would be made, the people, you know, they would know where that pressure point is, like, we kind of need to kind of pull back a little bit here or else it becomes too obvious, but, but once you weaponize people, hey, it doesn't just, you don't have to just get them to call the police on their neighbors for super spreader events over Thanksgiving with too many cars in the driveway. You can get them to do that on just a regular old Tuesday by making them fearful enough and putting thoughts in their head that their neighbors are being unsafe over there, in the comfort of their own home. And so we learned a lot about human.

psychology, the behavior of herds, what people do when fear is entered as a stimulus and sends them off into a panic. And I think that as much, I mean, Tavistock probably had their hands full for the last couple of years going over the data and trying to recalibrate like where the human herd is these days. Yeah. And, you know, and that's, I mean, what that there's, this is not a secret. That's not a conspiracy theory for those that might never, there's real, you know, experimental, you know, whether, whether it's from like a tech level company or or the government or psychology. There's people that investigate exactly this.

Like how, and honestly, a lot of them will write it out as some kind of a positive. You know, this is the, you know, how do we control the society for the best interest of everybody?

Like, or here, the good example I brought up before is the, the, what's that called? We're basically, uh, forcing people to do compulsory.

Let me find it real quick since I can't read the title. It's compulsory. There it is. Moral bioenhancement. And so my point is that's like, they go, oh, well, you know, the quick logic in this is they argue that should, should we need to bio-manipulate the population, we should do it without their knowledge because they won't understand. And that makes it ethical in some weird backward way. And so it's like

they, in some cases, believe they're doing good. The point, though, is that there's an entire level of this that's dedicated to going, like, how do we get them where we want them? You know, and it's just, it's real. So people understand that. And when you overlap that with the government corporations and it's like right on every dystopian movie, this isn't a joke. So, very real. But we're the good guys. We're from the government. We're here to help.

Yeah. Well, let's also giving a shout out to activist post. You know, what's on your mind on some of the stuff you might have covered here? What's something else that's going on today that you think people should know about, you know, what the hell's going on? Well, I mean, it, my fear is that we are, you know, we're being a little bit dismissive of the future of our supply chain. with regard to energy. I put a macroaggressions episode out today, feast or famine.

And it's undeniable. There's definitely an energy war happening right now, or at least the war in the Middle East that is happening, Middle East and Eastern Europe, I should say. The war is about, it appears to be about a lot of things, but the common denominator that's running through both of the wars is energy. and it started when they you know with the Nord Stream pipeline back in Ukraine we saw that and we everyone went well that would that's weird that Russia would blow up their own pipeline to

to Germany or in Denmark or wherever and that would be well yeah it was weird because it wouldn't have happened it didn't happen that way so that was the first step where it's like well it's going to be a cold winter a dark winter as Joe Biden said in Germany because they've shut down all their nuclear, and now they're shut down their coal burning, they're having problems, right? So that was the first time. But you know, that's Germany.

It's not America. And so you go, whatever. And then a couple years, and then we get into the situation in the Middle East, right? And that becomes, okay, well, they're targeting American bases, and you would expect that. But then some of the oil processing facilities start to get hit in a variety of countries.

And you go, well, that, okay, then again, that could still be a real thing. But then you start to see it happening in Russia. And then it starts happening where there's a big, you know, a big fuel depot in, I think Ukraine someplace on the eastern side, right, that normally didn't get hit. So now you've got a lot of energy infrastructure on fire all of a sudden, right? And, but it looks, it still looks like a war, like a real war where people are actually trying to get, get themselves. But, I've started to question if maybe there's a bit of theater behind this and that maybe the ultimate goal is an issue with energy. And of course, that leads to an issue with farming, with agriculture, with the ingredients that need to get out of the Middle East, with the urea, with the sulfur, with all the components that you need to get out of the Middle East, with the urea, with all the components that. you need for farming and fertilization and the exporting of that and the distribution of it and planting season for 2027 has to be you know it's on a calendar you can't you can't delay that and so the question becomes what happens if they keep knocking out all this energy then we're going to have big

problems with planting okay that would mean a famine moving forward i'm somebody who just wrapped up writing a book on eugenics depopulation right so so so forgive me if I don't write that off as some sort of coincidence, right? So whenever I see famines, famines usually don't happen because the rain was poor that season. They usually happen because the policies of the government set to export all the food to a neighboring country and not import any food. That's where you get real famine. So I'm starting to see, I think maybe five years from now in retrospect, it might appear obvious. But I'm asking right now, is this, a war for Middle East dominance, or is this a war to knock out the energy and create some sort of

future energy supply shock and global famine moving forward? And I don't think I'm unrealistic and asking those questions. I might be wrong about it, but I don't think it's unrealistic to ask if that's part of the agenda. It certainly is happening. It might not be the only, or it might be that the other thing is the priority, and this is like an extra bonus for them. But boy, it's starting to feel like maybe that it's the other way around, that the famine is the point and that the wars are the justification. Well, and this is not an uncompresent. This is a pretty public conversation right now.

I mean, from the earliest aspects of the straight and how that was changing it, clearly that was even somewhat mainstream. Like, is this about energy, you know, like quasi-basedry? But it was, it was pretty public. And then what's interesting is that when that started to become a conversation, when was this? I don't know, maybe just April just before, maybe a little before that. Basically, the conversation was like, you know, is this some kind of his plan? Is Trump some mastermind about trying to reorganize the way the energy flow in the world? These are all fair

questions. I wouldn't argue Trump would be the mastermind, but he's the one in the, you know, arguably the driver's seat of this conversation in regard from the U.S. perspective. But, you know, it's, I think more likely in that moment that that felt like more of them going, yes, I'll take that. I'm not blundering through this and that looks like I have a plan. because that doesn't seem like that's even carried through. But even if it was a long-term plan, I don't think it's gone the way that it might have looked if that was the goal.

So what that tells me, and even the way you framed it, that it was a war for that, which would imply that not all sides are fighting for to accomplish it. Tell me if I'm wrong in assuming that with the way you said that. But so what I find interesting is I agree with that is that this feels more like, like you said, if let's just take it one step at a time,

if the goal is to reorganize the energy dynamic of the world, this would be an easy way, a logical way to do that. The straight is important. We see the different executive orders of Trump that seem to kind of precursor, there's a precursor to this. And I think that it could be that that was a goal that ultimately then was derailed by the actions of elements in the world.

It may be Iran in that sense. Because you could think that Iran would be involved. That's one people thought in the beginning. It's some kind of like coordinated thing. I don't think that makes sense for a thousand reasons, just my opinion. And so either it's the goal to reorganize it or it's a, byproduct or even just like a it just happened and they weren't planning for it.

But in that sense, it's still the same point that I think that it's all, it's gone awry. I don't think that it's amounting to the U.S. gaining some kind of energy dominance right now, at least as I can see right now. We won't be able to tell before it gets done. But I would agree with you. I think there's an element of this that I like to make it as simple as possible that I think all this is happening because of some of the things we're seeing. I think that it is about agendas against Iran.

I think that there is some kind of a geopolitical agenda. But that doesn't mean that there's not a guiding thing. force the top that only cares about the energy part of it. Maybe that's the corporate technocratic side. Maybe that's Israel's cover for it. But I think it's multifaceted, if you get what I'm saying. You know, but I, let me, do you think that that is actually what's happening, though, even if it was the plan? Is that right now what you see happening with the, you know, consequences of these actions? I don't think so. Well, it's, like you said, it's multifaceted. So it's, it's a, it's a, it could be a bonus. We get to re-reimagined the energy infrastructure. I don't, I don't see it as a

victory for the U.S. I don't I don't I don't see any of this as actually have going the right way for the U.S. I see this as as maybe you know creating havoc for some of the U.S. as partners. I mean, Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE, I mean, good luck moving forward. Good luck. First of all, you've you've proven yourself to be siding with the American Empire and Iran is not going to forget that. Second of all, you've seen that the American Empire will leave you the second that it gets in trouble. And there's in the first place. Yeah. And what do they bring to the table?

Missile defense systems? Good luck with that. Those haven't done it. They've all been knocked out. And you even saw what they did with South Korea. When you give them a missile defense system that is very important to them, they'll still take it from you and redeploy it somewhere else and get it knocked out in the first week. So it's, this can't be. this cannot be working out the way the Americans

drew it up. It simply cannot be. I mean, there's been a massive miscalculation into either the depth of Iran's ability to dig in and ride this out or maybe it's ego. Maybe maybe it doesn't matter. Maybe maybe heads, Israel wins, tails, Israel loses, or Israel wins too. Because they could get America weakened. Right, right. They could get their regional neighbors weakened. And the one thing to me that has made this feel like it's not a war is the only component of it, really, that has made me think, maybe kind of scratch my head a little bit about and ask the question, is Iran playing some sort of role in this theatrical performance?

Is that if I were Iran, I would be focusing the, and I'm not, by the way, I'm also not a military. strategist, so we'll just put that out there. I would think that they would be focusing on Israel. I would think that they would be, you know, if you want to really shatter the psyche of the Israeli people, knock out all their water desalinization plants on one night, knock out all their electric grids and put holes in the runways of every single airport in the entire country and then hit the ports as well. You do that. They wake up to a country that is on fire and smoldering. Things would be quite a bit different, but they've never done that. There were some strategic, you know, there was the missile campaigns at night, but they never hit the infrastructure in a way that I thought

would have really sent a message. The Israelis will hit your infrastructure. We'll see, without thinking twice about it. And since, and I just, and again, it becomes a civilian disaster. And so I'm not, I'm not trying to wish this on the world, but I'm just saying that I'm, I'm wondering why they aren't thinking about doing that. Maybe they, maybe they have a good reason. maybe it's because maybe they say, well, you don't do that right away. And here's, you know, I could be completely wrong because I'm because I am not a military strategist. But to me, just felt like, kick the guy in the balls if you want to really hit them. You know what I mean? I mean, that's a way to get the message, especially if you're Iran and you're dealing with Israel who

has been blowing up your negotiations, have been hitting your guys whenever they're, the page or attacks in Lebanon, you know that there's no line in the sand that they won't cross. Right. Why are you still pretending that you have a line in the sand when it comes to the water desalienization plants? I would have not, frankly, I'd have knocked those out on day one if it were me. And it's a good question. I think that it's, and it may exactly mean what you think, that they are not playing an honest game and there's a larger coordination here. But to play, you know, to play into it, if it is that it is just an organic exchange about, you know,

where there's outside of there being other factors that this is just about control, I would argue that what makes the most sense is that I, again, this is just partly. my opinion in regard to the actual war, which I do think is part of this, you know, even though there are agendas, other things going on, is that ultimately, I think Trump was played into this by Israel. I think they were manipulated into thinking that this would be an easy win, Trump's legacy, which was already faltering, by the way, even before Iran, was, would be saved, right? And that he convinced him that, and look, this has already actually come out in more than one way from Netanyahu, their side, their different people involved with the conversation, that they basically said, you know, look, we'll do this in days. We'll go in,

Iran will shut the straight down. They did not do that. That's important. Not in the beginning anyway. They'll put mines. They'll shoot everybody. The whole world will be on your side, which I argue would have happened if they would have just been like dead shut down because people would have been worried about

what would have happened to the world economy. They didn't take that bait, I think. And so ultimately it ended up being a situation where Iran has been calculating how they could maintain what appears to be, you know, I think a lot of people see them as the victim in this. Whether or not they think Iran is good or bad, they see clearly they were the ones that were attacked. they're lying about them.

And so there's this constant game of a knife sedge about playing, attacking and responding and holding your own versus giving them the excuse, which whether or not people will buy it, I don't think any of them know for sure, right? If they do something worse enough, maybe they can roll the momentum over just enough to get Americans on the side of Trump again. And I think it's always, and Israel's the same point. You can go in there and bomb these things. And I would argue they even have, well, I would all, it's a war crime in my mind,

no matter what the justification is bombing civilian stuff. But you could argue they would feel justified in doing it back. I would argue if they did it, it would simply, it would, or Israel in the U.S. would take the microphone, and they would say, see, it's exactly what told you, even though they already did it too, people would go along with that. That's what I would argue. But to your, oh, good, on that. Well, not to give them any ideas, but if I were the Iranians and we did that, or they did that, they took out the water desalinization. I would also simultaneously release a fake video showing the Israelis committing a false flag against themselves in order to pin it on Iran.

I would beat them at their own game. I would put a fake video. out showing that they had actually done it to themselves to try and spin out the mental the people inside Israel your own government is doing it to you that's what I would sink I would send we didn't do this we would never knock the desalinas you you think we're monsters your own IDF did it to give the justification you and they would say that's that's maybe they would do that because they do it to everybody it would be fake it'd be a fake story but it'd be perfect to get them back next thing you know the world would go yeah you know the Israelis do that all the time I wouldn't be surprised they

did take out their own desalinization, but they do hate their own people. They line them up as guinea pigs for Pfizer. Why wouldn't they do it? It makes sense to me, right? So you two can play the false flag game and the media narrative game as well. And of course, by the way, the Iranians have been winning that game. On social media, the narrative manipulation that they've been doing, that it's showing the Lego videos were brilliantly done, right? They show their troll game is off the charts. And that is important. I think they're winning the public, Iran is winning the public relations battle. Now, ultimately, you want to win the actual battle too, because it doesn't do you much good to win to win the public relations battle and be a smoldering ruin. But they are

winning that. And I do believe that if you asked objective people, and they're harder and harder to find that are looking at this war. Who's the villain in this group? It wouldn't be Iran. They're not the most likely villain. It's definitely Israel in the United States and some of the others before Iran. But I guess that depends on which news source you get your news from too, because if you watch Fox News or anything really in America, then you're probably getting different facts and of course then you're you're living in a different world well to you'll tell what interesting and this is common point to be made today that speaks to a very clear specific generation which people call boomers right is that there there's only a certain group out there that only chooses to watch

like one network and then just lets that be what they guide themselves with i think that's a dying concept i think even people still go to whatever fox sources there's most them are their own social media today right so they at least get overlapped well the more algorithmic channeling that we see, and that's probably what's being built, the less likely, but they still get it. Their friends still send them a link, you know, so they still see the children being bombed. They still see these atrocities. And some of them ignore it, right? But it becomes an increasingly difficult thing.

But if you're just watching Fox or CNN and that's all, you turn your TV off and you go to bed, you're right. You look at you, Jesse Waters smugly tells you for the 13th time how Trump just ended the round war. And you go, well, it happened for 13th time. You know, it's weird. They actually go along with it. But I don't know.

I'd put that at under 10 percent kind of a thing right now. truly that's my opinion though yeah well we things will definitely change in the media front once the baby boomers age out because and we've seen that with the mainstream alternative media where they've had to make this pivot to get younger viewers you know you that's why you do a sean ryan cia podcast and not you know he's not going to get a job on cnn because the that's that's that's nobody's watching cnm so you you've got to do it a different way so so it's still controlled, you know, it's still Operation Mocking, but that's what my presentation was at Libra Polko was talking about the importance of, you know, free and open press and how you

wind up in a really bad spot once you have media that lies to you constantly. Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's, and the thing is that I think media will always be trying in some way or another, some of it to be lying to you or getting it wrong or whatever, which is the only way it should have ever been is simply to accept or rather, you know, engage with it all, question everything. It's the only way it ever should have been done because, like, as always, just even the best of intentions can simply be wrong. You know, it seems like such a basic thing.

But I think that's people are just relearning these things today. That's good. We're coming out of the stupor, you know, the government manipulation of all these times, you know, and I think that's weird. We have this moment where we're like sort of coming out of it just before there's like some kind of technocratic cage that's like shut down. Like I think I've been saying it often, right? But I think that's the reason of all this rush timing.

is that people are just getting tired. There's a Yuga cycle. Who knows what it is, but people are seeing through it. And so it's like, okay, just propaganda is not going to do the job anymore. So now we need to shove them back into the techno feudal state.

You know, it's like that's generally speaking, what I feel is continuing to happen. But the way in which people get their, their news has changed so much. I got into an elevator in London with Tom Broca. And I kind of laughed. This was 2019.

Kind of laugh because, because we were, standing in the lobby and I kind of I just went in and I walked in and I was you know and I recognized him but nobody else did nobody nobody had said anything and I was thinking to myself this guy like if you'd been in the 80s and I guess early 90s maybe this guy was like a big deal like he was invited in your home every night you got your view of the world from what this guy told you you trusted him implicitly right it maybe it was Peter Jennings or maybe it was Walter Cronkite or whoever your guy was, but you had a guy.

And that was the thing. That era was, we've got our news channel that we like and we, we find, you find a guy. I mean, you remember Peter Jennings was firing up cigarettes on, you know, on the set of doing his nightly news. It was like, my God, you get this feeling. Like, man, the news must have been such a huge deal that this guy needed to like calm his nerves with a cigarette. He couldn't even pull away from, couldn't even wait to go to commercial break.

He was firing it up right there, you know, and you're like, that's how hard hitting the news was. That's all propaganda manipulation. And that guy who's trying to tell you about the news and the way the world is, that guy goes to the CFR meetings twice a year. Gets told what the narrative is. He's no better than anybody. You can't trust him just because he seems like a nice guy. He did seem like a nice guy.

I bet you could go have a drink with him. He'd probably be a decent person and tell you great stories. But he's lying to your face about the state of the world because that's his job. And if you don't understand that their job is to lie to you and manipulate reality, then you're going to live a life. waiting for the truth or waiting for the mainstream corporate press to tell you how to behave. And my God, your life is just going to be chaotic and filled with insane decrees that are paid for by the pharmaceutical industry.

Right, right. And again, that's the whole place of where we are right now, is this people now grappling with this awareness of things that they never, honestly, things that a lot of them might have been calling conspiracy theory their entire lives. And now they're going, wow. you know like okay like this so and as with COVID-19 the time when this and people started going okay well what what else am i what else am i thinking is fake is actually real and that's a dangerous thing for people who you know build their entire control around the idea that you take them and

you know as the honest purveyor of truth it's important time you know and on that note to to end on this point we've talked about this pretty consistently since the beginning of this administration you know the the I think it's pretty clear that we've been seen proven to be correct about the reality of the changing about this, you know, the, I argue both specifically in the case of, you know, whatever we want to call MAGA, yeah, whatever we want to, you know, conservatives seeing the reality or at least turning against the Trump led, you know, administration. But even larger, though, I think it, and this is hopefully people can broaden out than just that,

because that I think is obvious at this point, but it is actually more about the two-party illusion in a large part of that, that people are starting to see through these things. And I believe that. And I think that's pretty clear by the facts. But this is just a new article from, was it, it is today. Maga dissidents plot next move after splitting from Trump on Iran. Now, it's not even worth getting into, you know, it's partisan, but just the sentiment. You know, the idea that now they're even for maggot dissidents.

So like, you know, the Trump send the, or rather, excuse me, the Tucker's and the Massey and the Marjor Tala Green, you know, their new party. Like I think that's even the other one I have up here. But that's the idea is they're kind of like, you know, the new, the new MAGA split off. and showing Iran at the driving force. But just ending in general with your thoughts. Like, you know, where are we on that? Do you still think that, you know, is MAGA still on Trump side?

Are more conservative is turning on him? Are people seeing through it all? You know, I think it's one of the most important conversations we should be having right now, honestly, about the breakdown of the two-party illusion. Yeah, could you imagine somebody who was a hardcore Donald Trump supporter leaving because they're rightly frustrated with his behavior? And then going and voting Democrat? probably not going to happen right that's an that's an impossible degree i was just talking about this other day

but i agree with you probably not a lot probably probably not you may say i'll never vote for a guy like don't trump again but they want to vote for somebody right they don't want to they'd still it's not that i would like for them to see um you know the some parents have this in the back seat of their car it's like we're the kids in the car seat and then on the back of the seat they've got like the fake steering wheel right so the kid can pretend like they're driving the car and they can turn the wheel and everything that i feel like is what donald trump has right he's got fake steering wheel he's in i'm in charge i'm doing all this stuff and people continue to still want to vote they still want they still want to have they want to participate but they but what are they going to do they need a trump light right they need somebody that's not like trump but but they're but still Republican and believes what they're into. So I could see them splitting the Republican Party down the middle and really screwing them because the Democrats are united in their insanity. There's no, it doesn't seem like there's much of a split there.

There's, they're all, I question. Well, I do. Like, well, just back from the COVID time. I think it's gotten more cohesive because they're not being focused on. But I maybe maybe get more cohesive when you're out of office trying to get back in or something. There's that. But the Trump, the unity in MAGA is gone. There is no, the unity in the Republican Party is gone. And that's a very vulnerable place to be. And if the Democrats were organized and they had a candidate who was worth a damn, they could destroy them based on that. They're dividing themselves. The Trump, the Republicans are dividing themselves. rightly so. I mean, how do you stay on board with Donald Trump? He just keeps giving you another reason after another reason to not trust him. So I understand why people. or jumping ship, but they're not jumping onto a different ship. They're just jumping into the water. You're just walking the plank voluntarily jumping off the MAGA ship, waiting for Tucker Carlson's ship to come pick them up.

I mean, I don't know. I feel like we should, you guys got to stop playing this. This is a, this is not, you're not voting your way out of this in case you didn't figure it out by now. But like voting is the suggestion box of slaves. That's all it is. If they were going to change. changed anything. The only way you're going to vote for something that benefits you is if you happen to have your interests align with some billionaire group who also wants the same thing, and they'll make it happen for them, and then you get it by default or by accident. But you're not going to petition your government to go to bat for you, to do what's right for you. If they were going to do that, they would have done it already. And they're not doing that. That's not in their interest.

I just have a really hard time respecting people who say, I'm never going to vote for Donald Trump again. What I really want is somebody like Marjorie Taylor Green. I'll vote for her. And it's like, why are you voting? You can vote for the dog catcher. You can vote for whoever you want. It's not going to change anything until you get that out of your,

out of your head that you are people flatter themselves. They think they're far more important to the world than they really are. You think the government cares of your opinion on what on the job they're doing? I mean, get over yourself, pal. They don't care about you at all. They didn't consult with you one bit. They don't care what you think. They'll do whatever they want to do, regardless of how you feel.

How many people have sued the federal government for their many crimes that they've committed? Plenty, okay? They're going to do what they want to do. And if people have got to get over this delusion, this this childlike crippling of of their emotions that if only i vote harder daddy that then somebody will come and save me like you are you are you're wasting your energy doing this you're doing it wrong voting for this isn't going to change anything you have to you have to do do things yourself you have to remove yourself from this equation as to the extent that you can i just i have no respect for people that are

that that have convinced themselves that the the problem is just we just haven't gotten the guy in there yet. Well, it's so frustrating because that I make this point often is that you have this conversation with people that are convicted, you know, just test, you know, what's the word I'm looking for? Just, you know, they're going to do it. I'm going to vote, you no matter what they see is that you go through this process and, you know, whatever side actually, you go, okay, well, is there cheating?

Well, obviously, does the other side try to break, you know, steal or use voting machines? It's like, well, yes, okay. So then you can clearly see that the, that, you know, the system is broken. And basically you could even get people to acknowledge that they don't believe through any number of different mechanisms legal or otherwise legal in the sense of how they use them, but that your voting doesn't translate. And I've had that conversation where people go, yes, I see it. I agree. And that's what we have to change. So what are you going to do?

You're going to vote then. Like I'm going to vote. And I'm like, well, wait a minute. Didn't we just walk through how you told me that it doesn't make a difference? Yeah. But what else am I going to do? And that's the answer you get. I'm going like, well, wait a minute.

How could it possibly be the reflexive response? is to do what you just explained isn't going to change anything. It's like this psychological trap, you know, because they're been convinced that, well, there is no other option. And that's the biggest problem. I think right now people are starting to at least open their minds to that. And that's what I'm feeling more hopeful about. And I agree with you.

I think a lot of it's what we just described. And they're only going to fall right back into the new trap. But every time this happens and it's happening more right now than ever, like consistently, there's more attention on it. They're, you know, whatever it is, that people are listening to us. They're seeing this. Okay, come all to Trump, right? Trump to Biden to Trump, or excuse me, not to Kamala Trump, but you know, the point,

I just mixed it up with Kamala running. But the point is, you know, Biden, Trump, just Trump, Biden, Trump at the very least. But you can go back to Bush Obama before it, that we're seeing the promises that don't amount to anything. The lies, the city bank administration, the Israel funded administration. I know people see this. You see it. Everyone's talking about it, like at a general sense, not even just in our bubbles.

Like the corporate media has been forced to try to shout down a lot of the stuff we're talking about, including block awareness and all kinds of. of stuff. I just didn't, you know, I could be wrong. Yes. I could obviously be missing it, misreading the writing on the wall, but I'm convinced that now is a good opportunity for us to like really push in the idea that it's not just one side, it's all. And that then, you know, that's where it gets more difficult, right? Because I have thoughts I could put forward, but it's not about me delivering the next solution because that becomes the next crutch. You guys need to decide what you think is the next step, you know? This is kind of the,

the crux of the, the crux of a lot of this work that we do is getting people to make these decisions for themselves to take ownership of their choices and their life and not just fall in line with the party or the government or whatever else. But I don't know, Charlie, I do feel hopeful about it. As much as there's a lot of negativity and a lot of madness going on, I see this opening, you know, I see this like this awareness raising and I just like to leave that with people because I really do think you can make a difference if we choose to try more than usual, you know, but maybe I'm naive, maybe it's lofty. I don't know. Hope not. Well, maybe they just need to see Dan Blaserian lose a couple thousand votes from one screenshot to the next to see that the voting system really is rigged.

It does not matter who you vote for. They will put the candidate in there that they want. I went to sleep the night when Trump was ahead by a bunch of votes and then Joe Biden was the president. I know what can happen. This is Randy fine. When he's not, when he's not voting for people, he's snooping around in their mailbox. This guy is a reprehensible. scumbag. I mean, he's one of the course he's sponsored by Israel, which is completely on brand. I mean, when I think of Israelis, I think of Randy Fine. I think of a guy like that. Big cartoonishly fat, bad guy who just shirk's responsibility, breaks the rules, always claims victim, of course, everybody's out to get here. It's never, he's never done anything wrong.

And then at the very end, cheats to beat Dan Blasarian. A scumbaggubbag poker play. that he had to, he had to manipulate the votes in order to beat that guy. I mean, this is what we're up against. I don't know why people are enthusiastic about going down to vote for this. It seems like a waste of your morning. I don't even know. Waste in a minute of your time even about thinking about doing this. It is.

I agree. But I mean, I, and I think for anyone that is 100%, right? I just, I question these days how much is, you know, it's like the COVID shot lie. You know, who's actually doing that? Some of them, Israelis, Zionists, you know, is it? actually the majority of people in his location. I don't know. I just don't believe it, man.

I just think it seems hard for me to write my mind around. Obviously possible. But this is where I get to the question of all of it. You know, I have a problem. I mean, I would get into it, you know, at the end of the show. But with Dan and the way he frames the conversation, I'm very skeptical without all that. And I don't know that even, you know, the idea of the way it went down,

my mindset and the way the voting process works, I'm just skeptical on all of that and where it goes. I hope that if Dan, you know, well, I guess he lost, essentially, lost if you know believe the voting translates but at the end of the day if he would have won i would hope that he would do what he thinks is right and change things for the better but i would be skeptical like any of them i just got at a point where i'm not trying to find that solution through the system like we were just talking about and so for me even looking at the idea of stolen votes is like i almost didn't care at this point like other than criminality prove it put him in jail 100% i'm always for that

but it's like i don't know man i feel like that becomes a trap in end of itself but i don't want to discourage anybody there is that valuable work to be done about proving that these things happen. But let's make sure we prove them, you know? I'll say this when it comes to the voting. Maybe on your local sheriff's elections and things like that, where it really impacts you, or you've got some city council who's out of control, voting for, you know, approving data centers and transitioning kids and things like that. You may have to, on the local level, where you can get in there and make a difference, try that. But in national voting, national politics is a lost cause. I agree. But I would still say, you know, if you, if you want to do it.

I'm not going to discourage anybody from feeling like it makes a difference, but just don't think that that's going to be the difference, let alone it even the most. Like, in my opinion, even if you thought the voting is exactly what you thought it was, I still find it to be like the least politically active thing you can do. It's just a checkout moment of going, okay, I'm done. That guy. I'm going to, you know, even if you believe in him, it's just like there's so much more you could be doing that affects things around you than checking the box. And again, I think it's quite obvious. that we all know that that's not the really the way, you know,

we just don't look further than the fact that they're, I mean, still using the same machines. What the F, guys? Like, we just start to realize both sides criticize them when it's their turn and they both keep using them. Or we can go back to, to, I'm blanking on his name all of a sudden. Now, you know, the guy I've shown off and who testifies in front of a state Congress to say that he was paid to manipulate the voting machines.

The next, the next vote, the next election, they use the same machines. It's like, it's just so obvious. that either they don't care or they're just so stupid that it wasn't like a difference. You know, however you want to frame it. I think it's in our interest to aim a lot better things than, you know, which kind of corrupt sociopath we're going to allow to be in power and then not do what they promise over and over and over. You know. Yeah.

If you want to do something for your community, if you want to actually make a change in the world, you're free to do that. You don't need permission from the state to do that. And electing some guy to do that on your behalf is probably not the best strategy either. If you want to feel good about yourself and have some sort of drive, find a cause that's real to you and put some work into that and to help people who you can measure and quantify that as opposed to ticking a box and saying, you know, I did my civic duty. I voted for a guy and then he's going to fix it all for me. And if he doesn't, shame on him, but I did my job. You can't blame me for it.

I voted for that guy. It's not my fault that he didn't actually do what he was supposed to do. Well, yeah, actually kind of is your fault. You believed in the fairy tale. You enabled the whole thing to happen by believing that this is a collective delusion. If everybody snaps out of it and wakes up, it goes away. This voting system. Right now, it's a fairy tale. It's a story that's told to people to keep them compliant and keep them from rising up and torches and pitchforks.

This is where we should be. That's the way to frame that. It's your tooth fairy in Santa Claus. Like, let's grow beyond it and realize that it. It was comforting, you know, and it made you feel the world worked and, you know, you got everything was going to work out around you. There was forces at play, but let's realize that it wasn't real, you know. And it's not to be sort of like diminishing, you know, every single one of us, I'm just more

making a joke about it, have been there, you know, and that's the real thing to think about, whether it's being misled by the media, you know, believing that this is the process, whatever it is, all of us were there at one point. It's just about owning that, right? And, you know, not pointing fingers, you know, and I think that's where we're leading to. So thank you again, Charlie. Appreciate the wonderful conversation. Looking forward to our next one. Any final words for us? No. ActivistPost.com. Hopefully people will bookmark that. Check. We're republishing outstanding articles from fearless journalists when it matters most, not three years after the fact when you already know about it. So I hope people will consider not just bookmarking it, but also when you're prompted to sign up for the email newsletter, please do. We've got a great solution series email that goes out every other Wednesday. We are about. we are, as we call solutions-based. And we really want to, you know, we do a lot of complaining

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This axis here represents public support for any given idea. On the left at 0% are ideas that not a single American wants. On the right at 100% are ideas that everyone supports. This axis represents the likelihood of Congress passing a law that reflects any of these ideas, from a 0 to a 100% chance. On this graph, an ideal republic would look like this. If 50% of the public supports an idea, there's a 50% chance of it becoming law. If 80% of us support something, there's an 80% chance.

You get the idea. Now, most Americans would probably agree that, with a few exceptions, we should be as close to this ideal as possible. Unfortunately, the way America actually works doesn't even come close. Take an idea that nobody supports, literally nobody, and it has about a 30% chance of becoming federal law. Now, take an incredibly popular idea, the most popular idea this country has ever seen,

and there's also about a 30% chance of it becoming law. This means that the number of American voters, for or against any idea, has no impact on the likelihood that Congress will make it law. Put another way, and I'm just going to quote the Princeton study directly here, the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy. So if you've ever felt like your opinion,

doesn't matter and that the government doesn't really care what you think, well, you're right. But there's a catch. This flat line only accounts for the bottom 90% of income earners in America. Economic elites, business interests, people who can afford lobbyists, they get their own line. Look at how much closer their line is to the ideal. When they want something, the government is much more likely to do it. And when they don't, they have the power to completely block it from how to how to happening, no matter how much the rest of the country supports it. They get what they want,

and guess who ends up paying for it. We pay for it with the most expensive health care in the world. We pay for it with a tax code that's a complete mess. We pay for it with internet that's slower and more expensive, with wasteful spending, a floundering education system, a catastrophic drug war, and one in five American children born into poverty. Almost every major issue we face as a nation can be traced back to this graph.