The Last American Vagabond - Zowe Smith Interview - COVID Surveillance, Palantir & The Transition To Total Information Awareness

Episode Date: April 23, 2025

Joining me today is Zowe Smith, here to discuss her recent series (Part 1 & 2) around medical surveillance during the COVID-19 illusion, and its transition into full blown Technocracy and the biosecurity state. We discuss how this agenda was justified under the guise of fighting pathogens, and now the same agenda is being justified using the threat of illegal immigration. All of this leads to the creation of the government's long-sought agenda of Total Information Awareness, today known as Palantir.Bitcoin Donations Are Appreciated:www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/bitcoin-donation(3FSozj9gQ1UniHvEiRmkPnXzHSVMc68U9f)The Last American Vagabond Substack is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to The Last American Vagabond Substack at tlavagabond.substack.com/subscribe

Welcome to The Last American Bagabond. Joining me today is Zoe Smith, author and founder of the substack, My Life and the Thrill Kill Medical Cult. I wish we've already posted part one and part two on our substack soon to be coming out on The Last American Bagabon here to discuss her part two of very important conversation, something that is built around the car. And I'll let her explain her background in regard to the coding and what she understands. And I'll reference our earlier interviews on the topic because it's very important and worth

time taking just to understand that deeper conversation. But the idea of this COVID-19 overlap and social credit and vaccine passports and kind of the invasive government surveillance around all of that and what justified it at the time and building into a conversation is at least as we now feel we're getting further away from, even though I argue there's more going on than usual, but further away from the illusion around the COVID-19 idea, the different justifications have come forward around why these things are still necessary and how this kind of evolves into social credit and digital IDs and new justifications. overlapping with Palantir, of course, and drone surveillance and where this really begins to go in a

very alarming way. And of course, immigration and the overlap with a constitutional crisis taking place. And so bring her on today to discuss where we're going with this and how real, as we were just discussing with Formit Live, that this is really becoming. This does not feel like one of the typical hyperbolic, you know, hypothetical coming down the line conversations. To me, this feels like we're talking about what's happening right this moment. So thank you, Zoe, for joining us. How are you today? Hi, Ryan, thanks for having me on. I'm doing all right. As good as can be expected, given, you know, everything's going on in the world. Yeah, that seems like the typical response these days. You know, all things considered, you know, but it's good, though. I do think that, you know, it's, I think I try at least to find the positive moments within all of this. And I do think there's plenty of them, like what your work, reaching people, you know, the awareness of people that seems to be shifting as things get darker. I think there's positives in there, definitely.

But I'd like to start with something in regard to what, something that really stood out to me from the part two conversation. And then we'll do a brief discussion about kind of the part one opening, but really to show people where in my mind this is kind of gravitated towards and with the Palantir overlap. As you wrote in part two, part one established geolocation was happening in real time without your knowledge or consent for the alleged purposes of contact tracing. In part two, we're learning that those military operations are still in play, which many people probably don't even realize. Contact tracing was carried out under national security measures. Privacy restrictions have been systematically removed to promote real-time data sharing. The key player is a military intelligence contractor that specializes in artificial intelligence for total information awareness. Palantir. The major software companies that provide electronic medical record software, Epic, Optum, 3M, Surner, are partnered with Palantir directly or indirectly. These are the programs that dutifully track vaccination status and other social detriments of health, which I want to talk about. It's a matter of national security, they say. And so are digital IDs. I think that's a really great paragraph to show this very clear overlap and really just the ongoing narrative that justifies whatever their agenda has always been. So go in to start with that if you'd like, but let's give

a quick background on what part one was about. Just give them my understanding of what your insight is that, what your background is in that field. And let's jump into the alarming reality of where we are today. Yeah. Okay. So I'll take down the memory lane to 2020. when I was a medical coder and not a conspiracy theorist. And I was starting to hear, I knew COVID was a scam because in my field, nothing matched up. If there was a pandemic, then the hospital should have been overrun. They weren't. So I was kind of crying, well, not crying wolf because it really was something going on.

But, you know, trying to scream from the rooftops and being drowned out, silenced, and told I was a crazy conspiracy theorist for pointing out that hospitals are ghosted. towns and there's something going on that's not normal. And I started to hear rumors from conspiracy theorists that they're coming out these vaccine passports. And I thought, okay, now, if they're going to do that, I'm in health information. That is where the vaccine information would have to go through. So if they're going to come up with the vaccine registry, at one point they were even saying that they were going to make vaccination public information. I know California was talking about like coming up with like a public registry for children at one point and parents were freaking out that not only should kids

not have to be vaccinated in order to go to school, but we don't need to make it public. And that was like the whole paradigm is you're a dirty disease spreader if you're not vaccinated. And they really wanted that information to be public. And I thought, well, that goes against all of HIPAA and all of medical privacy laws that we stand for. We say that we do if you're in medical health information or in health care at all. You're all trained on privacy rules in order to work there. So I thought there's there's no way this could be happening. And I go to our peer reviewed journal, American Health Information Management, Ahima has like a peer reviewed journal. And sure enough, I see in that journal, okay, so the contact tracing is actually being done for purposes of creating this vaccine passport.

Like, they laid it out very clearly. This is step one, step two, step three. And it's going to end up with this app on your phone. And there will be a QR code and it'll be encrypted and everything. And the vaccine information will have to come from whoever gave the vaccine from at the hospital or at the clinic. And then they will be like the keepers of that information. and if you're up to date or not, they even had like a color score of like red, like a red light, red, orange, green sort of thing. And if you're green, then you're up to date. If you're orange and you're

not fully vaccinated or whatever, so your rights will be curtailed. And then if it's red, then like full stop, you don't have any rights anymore sort of thing. And I, so that really was like the moment that turned me into a conspiracy theorist because it wasn't conspiracy. It was true. It's right there in their documentation that this is where we're going. And really, um, I know after 2021, like the whole idea of vaccine passports kind of got memory hold and we moved away from that because a lot of people really pushed back. I think on both sides, both political sides, we're like, we don't want this. This is not okay. And so like the idea of that kind of went away.

But it never stopped in health information. Like they kept moving forward with that. And even the American Health Information Management Association continues to this day to have. published paperwork and opinion pieces saying we are for vaccine passport and here's how we're going to support that here's how we're going to get all the information they even did a study at one point that i found and this was really alarming to me um this was very early on in 2020 um and it said uh PCR testing is going to be connected to contact tracing and that that's why they were doing the PCR testing and so with contact tracing

thing before, like when we had like an HIV patient, for example, it was up to the patient to call their contacts and say, hey, you might be exposed sort of thing. And like your contacts, personal information, their name, their address, phone number, all that stuff, wasn't written in a registry, but there was a registry for the HIV patient. But all of their personal information had to be removed. So it's just kind of overall statistical information. Like there was a case. This was a positive result. These were the other conditions they had kind of just like surface level information. But with COVID, there was a document, a paper that was published on these are all of the things that were going to be tracking. And it was unreal how much they were going to be tracking on you.

It was geolocation data in real time. It was ethnicity, financial information, your personal identifiers, like your name, your social security number, your email, your phone number, and that of all of your contacts. And then it went from like voluntary reporting. Like we actually had like a team of volunteers at first that was brought in to get all of this information. But then they realized that we're not going to be able to get all this information very well with just people asking questions. We need to use AI to do this. So they enacted a whole bunch of programs that have AI. And so in the back, there's no human doing this.

It's just AI collecting algorithmic information. So it's basically getting your metadata from social media and everything. And it's also connected to your medical records. And that went into a database also connected to the PCR. Like there's a company called DataVant that partnered with another company called LabCore. LabCore was the company running PCR tests. And right now in the country, they're getting ready to like overtake all hospital laboratory services because labs actually cost hospitals money. And so they're looking at

outsourcing to save their money. So a lot of hospitals actually looking at outsourcing to LabCore. So another kind of alarming, you know, red flag going off in my mind. Quick question for you real quick, for you continue. Now what year is that discussing? Are we talking about Palant? This was 2020 still. This was 2020. When they partnered. Go ahead. When Datavant and LabCore partnered, that was in 2020. But Palantir was involved in the programs already. And Oracle as well, right?

Because that was the pharmacovigilance with Moncef Salawi in the beginning part, or is that a different program? Is that the same conversation? It's that program I'm not as familiar with. I'm not saying it's not connected, but I know for sure Palantir Epic 3M, which are programs that I use personally in multiple hospital systems, they're used all throughout the country, are directly partnered with Palantir. For two different programs, there's a program called Foundry, and there's a program called, I forget the other, there were ones used for Operation Warp Speed that I don't know if they were used like directly in hospitals, but they had to be fed into that program per Medicare rules.

and that was, I think, Tiberius. I think there were many, many programs. Yeah. One thing I wanted to bring up, too, is so Epic and Palantir are partnered, and I believe they use the same platform for their programs. So this comes in part two when I start talking about the drones that Palantir is also involved in, and they're using right now in Gaza, based on AI and facial recognition and your medical record data and your genomic information.

So they're using all of that to target people. And the way that Epic works is they have multiple programs that are in like their main program. So like they'll have different suites. And from different hospitals, they change the name. So it might not even be called Epic at a different hospital. So later on in part two, when I talk about how Palantir has these healthcare programs that were Operation Warpspe, that was Gotham and Tiberius, well, all they have to do is change the name of that. program and it's the same program. It does the same thing. They just change the name for like a different institution and they kind of personalize it a little bit for their personal use. But it's,

it does the same functions basically for different clients. So I would put all my money in the basket that says Palantir uses that same trick. So when I say Palantir has a program called Tyberius and Gotham that's used in healthcare and then I say that Palantir also has these programs in Gaza, or we think Palantir has these programs in Gaza called Where's Daddy and Lavender that are being used for drone assassinations. All they have to do is take those program names Tiberius and Gotham and change them to Where's Daddy and Lavender, and it's the same program. Right. And this is the overlap here with what's going on in Israel, which is important to understand that Palantir is definitely a part of that. For those that don't know that, they've partnered

strategically with Israel back in January 2024, and it's during all of this. And this very importantly does overlap. So before we go into all that, though, which I definitely think is a monumentally important part of this. So what we're talking about is the COVID-19 timeframe and the justification used to just massive data grab, overlap with artificial intelligence, palantir, and plenty of other dynamics. And now we're in a time where that's less the focus.

All of a sudden, and your point very well taken is that they've just absolutely, if not continued ramped up these programs behind the scenes without much attention. So now we're coming to a point to where this is what really interest means that, you know, they're executing these in a large way, if not continue to under a slightly different guy. So you're talking about the sort of the transition into digital ID versus vaccine passports, which those of us paying attention already knew is basically the same conversation. Right. So that transition into this is, I mean, you take it wherever you want in regard to where it goes

from here in regard to the immigration overlap, you know what I mean, the artificial intelligence overlap. Why don't I just read this, actually? I wrote this down before, and you actually just mentioned something from this. As he wrote in Spark 2, the other program utilized in HHS Protect is also called Gotham. Tiberias, you mentioned, assigns targets a risk score, while Gotham's function is to locate and autonomously decide when to deploy countermeasure attacks. Gotham is also used by police, ICE, and the military for targeted acquisitions in various applications, including for AI-powered kill chains. So again, there's so many directions to take that with what's going on right now, whether it's the deportations and constitutional issues, the ongoing

genocides using artificial intelligence, the gathering of data through Doge and scooping of information from the background of the government. I mean, I don't know, I mean, where does your mind jump to with that right now? Where do we just show you? Where do you think we should start with? Yeah, my mind could go so many different directions. The reason why I wrote the drone connection at the end of part two is to me, that's the worst possible outcome. And it is the direction that they're going. And I even for that article, I searched just to see, do they have, is there any connection between drone assassination and healthcare? Are they even studying anything having to do with drones and healthcare? And then I found 100%. Yeah. They actually, they've done studies looking at how to do drone delivery for vaccines

specifically. So they've already, they already have a precedent of targeting ethnic groups through that program, HHS Protect. What they use those programs for was to target ethnic groups for vaccination and to deliver ventilators and remdesivir, which killed so many people. from hospital protocols that were incentivized through the CARES Act. So that to me is like the worst possible outcome. And Palantir and healthcare, Ahima and all the entities of health care, even and HHS Protect, even though RFK Jr. is now secretary. I don't see him shutting that down right way.

HHS Protect was under Operation Warp Speed. That was a military operation. And Congress pushed back on it. the entire healthcare information sector pushed back on it, saying this is your privacy being removed. And they didn't even realize that this information is what's being used to create a profile on you to create a risk score. And it's not just your contact tracing data. This is where you are. This is your house. This is who you come in contact with. What you post on social media. Everything. This is literally your social credit score that they're going to use to assign you a risk score and then autonomously decide what to do.

They're even placing, I guess, peer-reviewed study information or like seeding the idea that there's going to be doctors that are going to use AI to make decisions for you. That's what the social determinants of health are all about. It's about monitoring all of this and then using that information to decide for you what's best for you. They will refer you to social services, financial services. It's not just about health care. This is getting to every aspect of your life, just like the social credit in China, where people can't even cross the street if they're not told to that it's okay by their government. They have a little green light on their phone. that's the direction that we're going.

Complete and total control. And if you don't comply, you're going to get one of these risk scores associated. And it doesn't even need to be, and this is the point that I make in part two, because in part one, I talked about how AI, that's the part where I tied in.

Palantir is involved in healthcare and they're collecting all this data and why they want all this data and how it was under national security and, military operation. Well, that never stopped, continued going forward, even despite all of the pushback. And now it's mandatory. And now that information is going to be used. They're saying right on paper, this is how we're going to decide how to treat you medically. And it's still under national

security. So if you don't get your vaccines, if you don't take the right therapies, if you don't follow your doctor's advice. If you're in the wrong place at the wrong time, maybe, I mean, they're trying to bring in carbon credits, which I can't tie into health care, so I don't have any direct knowledge of that. But, I mean, that's definitely going to be part of it. And that's going to be part of the control. So they might say, oh, well, you ate too much meat this week or you went outside your geo-location zone. So now you have a target score acquired. Oh, the other thing I was going to say is when you are in healthcare. The AI now has listening features. So you can just be sitting in office and the AI can listen to something that you said and then target, like assign a medical code to your permanent record,

which could then be calculated as part of this risk score. So it doesn't even need to be a human. It doesn't need to be a doctor. It doesn't need to be a nurse writing this down in your medical record. This is all going to be autonomously done in the background and people aren't going to be aware of it. And that to me is the danger because up until 2020, it was a little more, well, health information is like a nuanced area where it's really, we all say that it's private and there's a lot of information sharing that goes on, you know, even up until that point that a lot of people weren't aware of. But the fact that even the people that were aware of that were blowing the whistle and saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is way more than we've ever done before.

This is privacy infractions. And to continue doing that and not only continue doing that, but expand it exponentially. And then Medicare made financial disincentives. So if hospitals don't share this information, which is everything, your genetic code, all of your medical history, everything you've been allergic to. There's even a lot of documentation saying how valuable your medical record information is, not just the codes, not just the statistical stuff. They want every little detail because they're going to make a profile of you. And they're using your genomic information, which they got from the PCR tests and were sent to gene banks.

Palantir also has access to. And I think it says in HHS Protect, there's 225 databases that layer information on you. So can you imagine the profile that would be created on someone with that kind of data and then put that into ice? And now there's an agent that's going to use that information to autonomously assign you a risk score and decide whether or not you get to stay in the country or whether you go to El Salvador or not. Or worst case scenario, they could decide to send a drone to your house and force vaccinate you. or maybe it'll just be, you know, a therapeutic, like that came out of Stargate that was, you know, a medicine that's tailored to your genome. Like they said, they can just scan your blood and then we're going to come up with something. It is this information that they're using to create what I'm going to call bio weapons.

Whether or not they work in the way that we're told that they're intended to work, they are intended to hurt us. And that there to me is the danger. Yeah. I mean, and I agree. I mean, some people may have a hard time connecting, you know, like basically coming from a health conversation and like connecting that to immigration, for example. And the thing is that it's, it's, if you try to only see it through the lens that's being presented for you, like we're talking about, whether social, you know, vaccine passports and then wondering how the connect digital IDs, it's the fact that you're, you know, you're missing the forest for the trees out there. is that these are just ideas that are being driven into reality through whatever narrative can be used to execute. Right. And so now what she's highlighting with this great work is that

clearly they've just continued the agenda through a different angle. And it's not about whether it's health or anything else. It's about control of your lives. And, you know, whether or getting rid of people that are, you know, dissidents to the system, whether that's Israel, the United States, you know, it's all the same kind of conversation. So to bring this back to one of the relevant kind of connected points to all of this, you mentioned what's called social determinants of health. Now, I find it to be a very Orwellian thing or actually quickly to comment on the privacy aspect. You said, like, at least they tried to before to like pretend to care about your privacy. And some people through that did.

You know, and the idea that now they're finding hospitals or groups for not for like what you called it data blocking. That should be our decision whether we want to share information with other places. That's just insane. But so the point about social determinants of health is very Orwellian because obviously they use the word health. But it's as you highlight, it's well more than just whether you're. healthy or not. Like these are actionable things about whether you're dissident or whether you are pushing back on certain. They're giving you a score based on your religious practice, where you go and and what what religion, how much you go to church. Like that's part of what they're using for

the social determinants of health. And then they're going to make decisions for you based on that information. And it's also financially incentivized. So they're not just tracking vaccination status. They're tracking what's your gender, what is your financial status, what kind of house do you live in? And then if any of these social determinants of health, and again, it's not just health care. Like this is literally, instead of your doctor deciding for you if you're a danger to society because you've been vaccinated or not, the social determinants of health are expanding that out to, well, you are a danger to society. if you live if you don't live in a regular house if you live in um that's one of the things that they actually put in in the documentation is um if you don't have a car then you're you're in this like social determinants of how like you they have like a score and you're at the bottom of it and then they want to

help you and what are the most scary phrase it what is one of the most scary phrases in the English language I'm from the government and I'm here to help that's what social determinants of health is all about. The government's going to try and help you and make decisions for your life based on this information. And they're deciding what makes you a risk. And it's things like if you don't have a car and you have to ride a bus. Well, then you're, you know, socially, I guess, lacking. And so they want to bring you back up to, you know, everyone has to be on the same level because communism, right? So they're going to make decisions for you and enroll you in programs and I mean, this could very easily be if you're living in the wrong place or you're talking to the wrong person or, you know, you're eating the wrong thing.

And again, it's financially incentivized. So your doctors have to share this information with HHS and with all these other agencies. And don't forget that R.K. Jr. is rushed out an HHS anti-Semitism combat program. So it's showing you how weirdly these things are coming together. What about ideas? Please continue. Right, right. And so your doctor, they will get fined if they don't share this information.

And the more they share this information, the more accurately they share it, the better they share it, the more money they get. So this is more incentivized. This is controlling your health care, this is, you know, manipulating the behavior and the decisions that your doctor is able to make. So there's just so many red flags, so many different levels of red flags here. It's going to impact the care that you're able to get when you do go to a hospital and have, you know, any sort of, like if you break an arm or something, you actually have to go to the hospital because I don't recommend going anymore. But there's sometimes when it's kind of unavoidable. So, I mean, there's a risk there. But then, yeah, there's a risk to, you know, they're searching ethnicity and who you talk to and what decisions you make if you've been vaccinated or not.

And not only are they incentivized to look at that information to make you a profile. and target you in various ways. But they're also doing it for nefarious purposes under, you know, the guise of national security. And to me, the fact that this is under, this is still a military operation that is targeting people, and they have a precedent of targeting undesirables or ethnic groups, which is what they did in 2020 under Operation Warp Speed. Whitney Webb wrote about that, and she's spoken about that at length. So this is just basically doubling down and expanding that worldwide.

Right. Well, so let's, in general, the larger picture that you're painting can be, you forgive someone from my feeling that it's partisan, right? But what we're talking about is what's happening now, right? So do you feel that this program has stayed the same, lessened, or increased under the current administration? I think it's increased, honestly. I mean, I've seen no sign of it going away. The financial, the information blocking is like if the, if the hospital fails to send information on how many ventilators they have or how many COVID patients they have or vaccination status or any of the social determinants of health, which is, so if they fail to get, you know, your information on what kind of car you drive and where you live, if they're not reporting that and they're not reporting that timely, isn't like they have to do that every night. on a 24-hour basis or something, then they get fined massive amounts of money

to where they will be shut down. And so hospitals pretty much are living in fear of always having to send that information. And to me, that is incredibly alarming. That they're using that information for a military purpose to assign us risk scores. I mean, there's no reason for your doctor to be doing that. There's no reason for HHS to be doing that.

This is massive government overreach. And it's turning us, just like January 6 did, it's turning us into domestic terrorists in our own poems, in our own country. So it doesn't, it is not partisan at all. It has nothing to do with who is in office. This has been, it's, it went through under, uh, Trump originally, continued under Biden, did not stop under Biden. and it's continued under Trump. And I don't think it has anything to do with Trump or RFK, honestly. I think it's just the government, you know, like these are just people in the front.

I mean, I think their agendas and their personal drives to play a factor. But like you said, whether it started on Trump or not, the point is it continued, it got way worse under Biden. I think that's obvious. It grossly continued. And now the point is it's going even further in a new direction, right? And so people, that's why I want, I'm glad you said it that way, because, you know, the way you're outlining it earlier, people can be thinking the whole time,

oh, she's talking about just Biden and COVID-19. But no, you know, this is an ongoing left and right U.S. government agenda and much bigger than that, quite frankly. And that's why it's so alarming, right? Because right now we're watching this roll into a whole new realm that, I mean, I am, I'm very worried about where this comes into this major constitutional crisis, people being deported, whether illegal aliens or not, that have due process. And that very much is including Palantir. And so that's a continuation as 404 media is high. highlighted. They're now using Palantir elite came out. Palantir is now using your data, your location, your geolocation information, the same thing

to actually identify and help deport people. So where do you see this going from here forward? Are we going to see another health surge in this? Where do you see this going forward? Well, in my part two, I cover an article called no tech for ICE. There's a website called No Tech for Ice. And it's talking about how ICE is using the same healthcare programs, Tiberius and Gotham, to once again assign people threat risk scores and then determine like the AI, the same program that's used in Gaza, the AI kill chain, Gotham, that is the program. You can go to Palantir and it literally says under in on Palantir's website, Gotham,

you scroll down and it will, it shows you AI kill chain. And the whole thing is about autonomously deciding. So they're trying to make your doctor autonomously decide. But specifically for deportation, I mean, this is the exact same thing. The BLM thing that like the George Floyd riots, like that actually got kind of connected in health care too. Like for the very first time, I got a like everybody at the hospital got like an emergency alert, like for a mass casualty event, even though nothing happened. Like I was in Arizona and that was like many, many states away that that.

that happened, but they decided that this was a mass casualty event and they invoked that policy over the George Floyd riots and BLM. And that was in healthcare. And the whole social determinants of health, that's all about kind of making sure that the, what I would call the undesirable groups, what the eugenic, eugenicists that are at the top of health care would call undesirable groups and have been targeting for for a long time. They're using these same programs at ICE to target people. That's what so long is that it's literally, it's right in front of us. It's not some new, this is the same program, the same geolocation. It's the same thing being applied to the new thing. Right. So whatever. And the same way they were using ideas and threats of pathogens to get you to be

okay with it. Now they're using threats of immigration, all of which matters to some degree. Right. But the point is to get you to accept your own subjugation by using something that they know will sway you, you know, and that's why this is so concerning to me is that we're watching these things rapidly. They don't build this technocratic prison, whether a, you know, digital biometric prison or not. It's being built around us. And I just, this is very concerning to me. And the problem is not only that they're doing this and it's nefarious that they're doing this. It's also, as you've so aptly pointed out, their targeting mechanisms are not accurate. And just like I said, or at the end of part two, and you've also highlighted the program, Lavender and Where's Daddy, there was a 10% error rate. And there was an enormous collateral damage, which they were okay with. They're okay killing innocent women and children and babies. They're totally fine with that.

These are the people that are using that information to target people for ICE. So once again, are you talking to the wrong person? social media that could get you caught up in this collateral damage drag net and that really in light there there is the danger because there's so many different ways that you could get uh caught up in this collateral damage and they clearly don't care about the sanctity of life so that's a price they're willing to pay and we need to keep that in mind and that to me is is the most dangerous part because you don't know who you're talking to online or who you you drive by every day or or who's your And that right, that alone, something that you don't even know about could get you caught up in that.

So like maybe your neighbor is an illegal alien and you live too close and they get the address wrong. And now you end up in El Salvador just because their AI was wrong. Man, just yesterday I reported on an 18 year old teen that was just he happened to be at the wrong place that they, on the record, the agent, the agents, ICE agents came and they grabbed the guy. And on people around their hurt. they said, that's not the guy. And the guy said, take him anyway. That's on the record.

They took him three to two days later, he was in El Salvador. The guy had no criminal record, was not here illegally. Like, it's insane what's actually happening. And to me right now, and see, the problem is people listening who just decide not to want to believe that are going to say, oh, he's listening to Democrat. No, no, these are fun. You could prove this. These are documents from the court.

And, you know, it's obvious, or excuse me, not the court from the reports, because they aren't getting a due process, which is important. But what, what's crazy to me is it's about the dehumanization, as you're highlighting, right? So during, during COVID, it, it was. was all the dirty anti-batchers, right? And so it's a narrative that gets you to accept what otherwise should, well, it shouldn't be acceptable in any context, right? It's a violation of rights. So now they're just simply saying these people and even borderline Americans if they happen to scratch Teslas, you know, are undesirable that can be removed if we justify that. And that's the

social determinants of health, your social credit score, all these things coming together. I just, I worry that people aren't giving it as much importance. I mean, like we said before off air, like this is real. This is happening today. not tomorrow. It's building and funds. Right. They even have studies that were published on an internet of drones for health care, for delivery of everything. And I know Amazon has talked about, like,

they're still working on drone delivery systems. And there's been, even back in 2020, I saw HEMA and other healthcare agencies talking about AI in healthcare, like your AI robots that are going to be making decisions for you. So like that that's one of the problems is that there's going to be this 10% error rate and they're trying to get to the point that the AI makes decisions instead of a human doctor. But they're expanding that to everything. So they're trying to make it. So ICE, the people at ICE don't have to make the decisions of who it is.

It's just an AI program. And then that takes away the like the liability and the responsibility of like, the doctor to the patient or the person at ice to the person that that you know to make sure that they're they get the right person they no longer have to do that and they don't have to feel guilty like what what it talks about in the the lavender program the military who came in and and actually talked to a 972 mag they said that part of that program was they only spent like a few seconds before they actually hit the button that would assassinate somebody. And so like that takes away their guilt.

It's almost like when we used to have firing squads and there's a whole bunch of people and they all fire. And so you don't know which individual was the one who actually did. It's that concept, but it's expanded to now it's going to be ice. All of the people in ice no longer have that responsibility anymore. It's going to be AI making that decision. And then the government is going to be making those decisions for you, for social, determinants of health. So any sort of health care program or Medicare housing, anything like that,

they're going to try and make autonomous decisions for you. And as we've seen with ICE and even with the unvaccinated, how that worked out in 2020, the AI is not always correct. Right. And we need human agency in order to get to the to get the right people and to get the right treatments or the right interventions to the right people for various things whether it's illegal immigration to get the right person and verify that it really is illegal and make sure that their identity is confirmed before they actually and give them due process like this this whole AI landscape is designed to make it so the AI makes decisions and people don't have to feel responsible anymore. Well, there's a fundamental question. The foundational questions to this very conversation,

first of which is, and we've already seen Eric Schmidt previously kind of allude to the fact that down the line, we're going to get to a point to where AI tells us things that we should do, and we may think they're immoral, but it'll know better. Like paraphrasing, but that's the sentiment he put out, which is terrifying. The question is, foundationally, do we even know if it's actually AI given these decisions? Or is it just an algorithm that they're just pumping data into and it's outputting what they want you to see as the algorithm, you know, AI deciding.

So, I mean, we don't know that. Whitney's made that point in any terms of this. You may see wonders whether it's even actually possible. And then secondarily, and you made this point very well. I think this is central to this. As you rightly pointed out, both in Lavender and this one, which was about Habsora, they both argue. And they make this very clear that the IDF members they're speaking to

are saying that not only are they be quickly doing so, being driven to. They're being graded on how quickly and how many they can get done. And the point is that there's no way for them to confirm what it's saying. I argue, and others did in the same conversation, and it's way more than 10%. That's a way undercount of what's happening. And you, even themselves, they're saying, well, it's not artists. What the AI's telling us, you know? And so there's an absolute lack of accountability there. And so we come down to something where a major thing happens that somehow people decide to hold accountable for. Who do you point to? They're going to say, I'm at a stake. So we need a, we need a, we need like an, an, an, a, we need a, we need like an

IT guy to fix the problem. It's like, no, we need some people to go to jail. And that's, that's where this is doing to. That's scary. Well, a point I wanted to make is, is in my field where we were using this AI programs that are associated with Palantir. Epic and 3M were the, the main ones. Just to reiterate your point, while I was a medical coder in, in management or whatever, every medical coder kind of knows that there's going to be an accuracy rate that you're held to. So you're using the AI to assign codes and come up with basically you're making money for the hospital. And if you're doing it right, you're making the most amount of money without getting them in trouble and getting them fined, which will take money away. So that's like the tightrope that you walk as a medical coder. And there's

a 10% error rate and you're driven to production. So like you have a production quota. You're basically a robot. They want trained monkeys to do it. They don't want you thinking about it. They just want you following orders, following directions, and they've got the AI programmed pretty much to where, like, they, it's already come up with most of the answers, and they really just need a human to go in and, like, take some of the nuance and the context and make sure that it's correct before it goes out the door. So, like, that 10% error rate, like, that's been across the board for the health information management and billing industry for at least a decade, if not more. And it makes it so you don't want to talk to your coworkers to verify anything and everything is so compartmentalized that

like I didn't a lot of people talk about the incentives for um getting the the COVID money well I didn't see the bills I saw a hypothetical number that would be associated with every chart and I could see how I coded it if it went up or down so like I did get that view but then it goes to like five more people before it goes out the door and I never see what the insurance actually paid on I never see what the the final bill is. So they hide all that information from, it's like an assembly line. And you only see like your tiny little part of it.

So the people that are in ICE, the people that are in healthcare, signing these social determinants of health to your record, some of them aren't even people. It's just going to be AI, which we've covered, it's going to be, it very well could be more than 10% off.

But they're okay with that. And they're okay with, you know, not verifying the context. And one thing that I looked at too is there was someone who's been studying AI and found that like anytime you're getting directions from Siri or Google or whatever and like you might know a better way and you argue like kind of vocally with with your directions, like that's how the AI is going to be going.

It's going to be that program to where like this is there's one way to do this. And if you're not doing it, then you're doing it wrong. and it doesn't have the context to know, oh, well, if you make these two turns is a little bit faster or there's a wreck over there or something like that. We need the human agency. And they're trying to remove the human agency in all of these. And that really is the danger, I think. I 100% agree. And to add a little more personal note to which I think is where this goes, I have a constant problem with what, you know, I was just complaining about this, wishing you could like choose to go around certain points or whatever. But I often

use the map when I need to and choose to go a little bit longer route, let's say, because I won't avoid something like the ones they give you might be a little bit longer, but around, and you choose those. And then on the way there with nothing changing, you realize halfway there that you've been re-corrected to the original. And I'm going like, notification about that. And I'm thinking, like, that's what point did that just decide that they're going to do that for me?

And yeah, it's a very small thing. And maybe they just thought it was more efficient. But that's my choice. And I physically chose the other one. So just broaden that out into where this all goes when these kind of rapid real-time decisions are being made for you, you know, or what you do or where you are or what you get to put in your, you know, this is where this world goes. And like you're saying, if there's no decision in there, who can I appeal? Too late. The decision's already made.

I'm already halfway down the wrong direction. Like, that's a really good analogy for where all this goes. Yeah. I just don't think people give this enough thought because of a, at least like a feigned, like potential argument of convenience, which we're not even there yet. You know, it's like the idea of the neurolink and this guy can use his arms again. It's like, yeah, that's great. But where's the other 90% of that conversation we're not really talking about, you know? Yeah, that's a double-edged sword.

I actually had a conversation with a man who was missing part of his leg. And so he really wanted neuralink so that he could get the rest of his leg and have it work and walk like a normal person again without having to use a prosthetic, which I totally understand. That would be amazing to be able to do that. And if I were him, I would want that. too. So I understand where he's coming from. But I had to point out, well, this is Elon who I don't trust. This is a guy who's, I mean, we vilify Fauci for experimenting on Beagles. But when Elon kills all the monkeys in the Neurilink experiment, that's totally fine. We'll just ignore that and be like,

yay, Neurrelink. I'm sorry. I'm not going to ignore that. I think that's just, despicable to do. So I'm going to hold him to account for that. And so I pointed that out and I'm like well not only that but he he actually says in his neurolink paperwork that the chip will go both directions that they can input and they have input like ideas and thoughts into the monkeys and then made them act out those things that they you know basically programmed into the chip so it does go both ways so yeah you might be able to walk around but then you're going to have a chip in your brain that's now controlling you. Is that a price you want to pay? Yeah, or potentially, definitely. I mean, that's the whole point. And don't miss though. I mean, I'm sure half my audience is

already thinking about this is that this is that this is something that we, and I'm sure you, I think you've covered this as well, like this overlap to the COVID-19 agenda and the really dark, you know, kind of DARPA background tech and research that was the premise, like the basis for everything they rolled out around this. And this is, you know, the things like we've talked about with Charles Lieber, Robert, Bob Langer, and like the optogenetics, like, you know, the ferrette and nanoparticle injections, all these things that are leading towards exactly that, like in some way trying to dictate actions, thoughts, even like the neuroscience overlap, James G. O'Donno from the U.S. government, you know, talking about how these things were used

during COVID-19. Like, so it's the same bigger conversation. Like, these are all just different ongoing agendas using rationalized by whatever's currently happening that they've been trying to achieve for a long time. And I genuinely see this coming to ahead. You know, like, it's all coming together for the first time where it's actually technologically possible. And now we're watching them like find. And I honestly think very clumsy justification today to get people to accept this kind of like all encompassing like bio, you know, biometric scans, AI social coverage, like, you know, whether it's about immigration, whether it's about, you know, terrorism, you know, whatever the

narrative is, it's all being pushed forward right now. And so I just think people need to really reflect on where this goes and whether regardless of the benefit, is that worth it? like you're saying, like there's a double-edged sword here. So to, I guess to end on this, give me where you think this is going to go. You know, prediction, obviously. So it's just our thoughts. But, you know, you overlap this with the drone conversation.

And I really don't think, like, I think that one point is what people are going to push back on the most. I think that's the most relevant if you understand where we've always gone historically with government. Like that's the most logical next step that we can see, maybe a next couple steps. The idea of this becoming something where you're basically being policed by drones and maybe even taken out, because they real time, you know, Judge Dredd style just rationalize that that's how this works. I mean, we're watching that happen in a way with constitutional rights right now and deportations. So where do you see this going, whether drones, health, technocracy, you know, you laid it laid out for us. Well, it is technocracy.

I don't think it's partisan. I've said from the beginning of COVID, like this is global. This isn't even just about who the U.S. president is. And I know everyone's like very focused on that, even in other countries. because America is a powerful country, I guess. But forget about that. I'm not looking at this through a political lens. This is global.

This is happening in every country across the whole globe. So it's much bigger than just who the U.S. president is. And I think over the last eight years, we've seen that because the pendulum has swung back and forth and it doesn't matter who's sitting in the president seat. So I don't look at things through a political lens. I do notice that there is a global pattern going on here. So from a high level, what I'm seeing happen is they've seeded this idea of digital ID, which is essentially going to be total information awareness like Palantir that was their

original name before they became Palantir. And they've continued working towards that. They've got their tentacles in health care and government and immigration. They've brought that all together. and it's all under the name of national security, and we are domestic terrorists or terrorists for whatever label they want to put on us. And I see it going as they want complete and total control,

which is what technocracy is all about, and they need all kinds of surveillance. So the genomics surveillance, the geographical surveillance, the social media, and even healthcare, surveillance. I think all of that is being used to create a profile, not just if you're vaccinated or not, but have you met these other markers that we're scoring you on to give you a terrorist score? And so I really think it's all about that, trying to come up with some massive control

mechanism and then a way to take people out covertly so that they don't so that they don't actually get blamed for it. I don't think they're going to go loud and do like a drone assassination like in broad daylight on a mass scale inside the U.S. you know, for people that are unvaccinated. I don't, I think that's a little far-fetched. But the fact that they have paperwork already saying internet of drones to deliver vaccines, you know, they were just talking about like a drone delivering like a package of vaccines and then someone would be giving you the vaccine at that location. But as we've seen when they write paper like that, they're actually putting that idea out there so that they can do like the walk up to the full thing, which I do think is going to be

getting the vaccines actually in the drones and then delivering them to you. And whether it's a vaccine or whether it's a therapy, like we've seen Operation Stargate, they're talking about vaccines, but in all these gene banks and, in all the documentation that I've seen, it's not just about vaccines. It's also about these therapeutics. So any sort of drug that can be designed to the individual. And that's what they've been working on for a good 20 years. And it's in association with drones.

So I see the two merging. And I think that they're going to try and get to the point where a drone can deliver you a medication without your consent, without you asking for it. I think the drone will just show up. and give it to you. And they there's even a group of people who, who I cited in part two, who have been studying drones and how they work. And the most alarming part to me was I was talking about mosquito like drones because we we've seen Plandemic, the movie Plandemic. And it, this is true we've, I've done work on this, you've done work on this. The, the vaccine or how Bill Gates describes mosquitoes as flying vaccinators. So I find there's a really nefarious

overlap here between drone delivery and these flying vaccinators. I really think that's the direction that they're trying to go is come up with a way for drones to deliver specific to people. I think they've decided that having insects that aren't controllable isn't going to work, but it's actually fairly inexpensive for them to come up with tiny little microdrones. And if those little micro drones can deliver a deadly delivery and kill people, like I don't know if you want to show that video in a second of the facial recognition, they call LMAMs. I forget the acronym LMAM is basically a drone assassination based on AI recognition.

And it does kill you. Well, they can also design, they can change the payload from, a deadly payload to an injection of any kind that could be tailored to your genome, which is what they've been working on. So I really think that's all where it's going to come together. And possibly the health side of it, too. On the health side. Yeah. Sorry.

I was going to say that the immigration part, I'm just now starting to see like how that's overlapped. And I know that the vaccine passports were all going to be about. digital ID. And so the I have thought that the whole idea about bringing in digital ID, even before Trump was elected this most this last time, I and I had heard someone else, I think it was even Harrison Smith who said something like this from from Info Wars. And not that I believe everything that comes from there, but the way it was said, I'm like, oh yeah, that's exactly how it's going to happen. And as we've seen, this is how it's

been. And so I think the trajectory is going to continue. I think what he said was, so the illegals have been brought in here. They, you know, Biden was paid and Soros or whatever were paid to like bring them in here. And like, this is a programmed destruction of the United States. And they, they use anger in order to get what they want. So I think they're using the, the right anger of the illegals coming across in order to get digital. ID put in place. And they're using Palantir and everything to make it look like, oh, well, this is how we're going to get rid of the illegals. But there's plenty of other ways to do that without digital ID. All we need to do is anyone who's actually a business owner don't hire illegals, hire people who are citizens in this country. And we won't have a problem with illegals working in this country.

It's very simple. You don't need a digital ID. You just need people to actually be human and moral and try and do the right thing. That's all we need. We don't need the government to fix it. Government, every time they try and fix it, once again, what are the scariest words in the English language? I'm from the government and I'm here to help. We don't need their help. They screw it up when they help. So that's where I think they're trying to use that as a way to permanently implant this system because you're. it's good and they're trying to paint it in a way that it's good. And obviously, they're censoring you by saying that this isn't working as intended. And there's people getting caught up in this as collateral damage and there's innocence being harmed. Well, they have a long history of ignoring that, silencing that, because in their eyes for the greater good, collateral damage is perfectly okay. Clearly. Yeah. And they make that clear every day. And I think what your painting is very important. And whether, you know, and I agree with you, but whether you agree with the one of many possible

solutions to the problem they're trying to create, or rather the rationale for the problem, they're trying to push forward, recognize that it's, there are plenty of other things other than the same old thing they've offered for 17 other problems. You know, it's like they're just using what's happening in front of us. And to your point, rightly said, manufacturing those problems to get you to jump at shadows. So they go, hey, I've got the solution right here. You know, it's always how this tends to go. And I mean, we also should consider on the way out, you know, all the, and also to make sure you guys are listening, most of the audience, I'm sure we'll know those already.

What she's discussing around drones or ski, I mean, all that's verifiable information. DARPA has done research on this. These are not hypothetical conversations, whether they're being used. That's for you to decide out there. But it's very valid to consider whether this is where it goes or possibly already been. But also, let's not forget the overlap of, you know, nanotechnology, smart dust, even to the point of, you know, things like that that could still deliver payload. that are basically the size of smart dust or, you know, over of overlaps or whether drones dropping things that are in the form of some kind of a,

you know, aerosolized and MRNA dynamic. Like these are all very real conversations. Yeah. So I knows where it goes. The point is this is the infrastructure that's being driven in under the rationale of what they claim they're fighting when they, I don't think they care about that at all, if not manufacturing it for this very reason. So I think it's important that people consider all of this and ask these questions and

realize it is nonpartisan, right? this, we are just trying to stop what we see coming and hopefully you're willing to consider the evidence very well laid out by Zoe here. And on the way out here, Zoe, anything else you want to leave us for upcoming parts, you know, new releases, anything you want to shout on the way out. And I'll let you, and I'll play that video by the way on the way out of the drone so they can check that out. No parting messages. Yeah, I kind of might have to hit the breaks here. So no parting messages. Just if you're going to support me, go to Thrillkillmedicalcult.com.

Don't go to Amazon. I don't want to give Jeff Bezos his cut. I don't think we're ever going to get free of this if we keep paying our captors. And I mean, they control the money. So until we can get out of that, I think we're going to be kind of stuck in this digital prison. But if you'd like to help me, let's cut out the middleman and maybe stop funding our own. captors. So go to Thrillkillmedicalcult.com or you can find me on Substack, Z-O-W-E. Substack.com for the work that I've already got out there. I have thought about doing a part

three on this, but I'm at a point where I've been doing this for four years. I haven't worked and my life's falling apart. So I very well may have to take a hiatus. Well, I'm sorry to hear that. You know, and it's so frustrating that this is exactly what they ultimately want, right? You know, they just being the hierarchy enslaving you, that the idea is that, you know, doing the right thing is so costly and so time consuming and so exhausting that most people just choose not to do it in the first place. So thank you for having, you know, for caring and for putting this work out. I think I find it to be monumentally important. And we'll connect again soon and, you know, follow up on what's going on. Hopefully with

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