The Late Braking F1 Podcast - 2022 Belgian GP Review

Episode Date: August 28, 2022

Sam, Ben and Harry are back after the summer break for a race review of the Belgian GP! The boys discuss Max Verstappen's dominating win, more of Ferrari's tomfoolery and THAT incident between Hamilto...n and Alonso... JOIN our Discord: https://discord.gg/dQJdu2SbAm SUPPORT our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/latebraking TWEET us @LBraking BUY our merch: https://late-braking-f1-podcast.creator-spring.com/ SUBSCRIBE to our podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to tune in for new episodes every Wednesday and Grand Prix Sunday. Hello and a very warm welcome to the late breaking F1 podcast presented by Harry Ead, Sam Sage, and me, Ben Hocking, reviewing today the Belgian Grand Prix from Spa, Max Verstappen, leaving home a Red Bull 1-2 despite the fact that he actually started the race from Hungary,
Starting point is 00:00:46 which was the last race before the summer break. He still managed to come through the field and win and in pretty dominant fashion as well. Sam, he's pretty good, isn't he? It's pretty good at the F-1. Oh, I mean, the guy's got the bloody AI difficulty set to zero, hasn't he? He's decided, I just, you know, when you're,
Starting point is 00:01:06 you've got drunk and you've come home and it's like three in the morning, and you think, oh, I don't want to go, I beg yet, I'll play a, I'll play a video game.
Starting point is 00:01:13 But I'll turn the difficulty all the way down. That's what Max Verstappen's doing. Is that good? Incredibly, incredibly niche reference to our friendship group. But anyway, go on.
Starting point is 00:01:23 No one actually understand the references. You weren't there. But that actually happens to someone we know. Very good friend of us. I'd be a lot. Nonetheless,
Starting point is 00:01:31 I'd be in there. The Stappen is literally driving around like he's walked into a carting group by accident, but he's brought his Formula One car and he's just like, okay, bye. Cheers for turning up. And you've got poor people like Charlotte Clerk that he's overtaking.
Starting point is 00:01:48 He was having to do a bloody survey in the car while driving. No wonder if a stop is finding it so easy. Carloss Sites can't drive over a bump. George Russell is there like, what more can I do? The Sapper's got it easy, isn't it? I mean, yeah, that's it. Championship's sewing up, really. Forget the podcast.
Starting point is 00:02:06 We'll see the next season. Yeah, cheers, folks. Bye. Yeah, I mean, fairly clear to say that Vastappen is quite good at the F1, I think. It was fairly evidential based on that one. Yeah, it was a fine race. I'm just going to apologize in advance
Starting point is 00:02:29 because I don't live very far from Notting Hill, for anyone interested. And it's Notting Hill Carnival today, so it's very loud around my flat, and I'm worried that even though I have windows and doors shut, you're going to hear loud things. So sorry, folks. I'll try and keep quiet.
Starting point is 00:02:48 It might be a nice distraction from the podcast, in all honesty. I will say first and foremost, Sam, it's very interesting that you put a disclaimer that no one would understand the reference that we make as if that's not something that ever happens on this podcast. I never make niche references ever, so I had to say something, especially for you new listeners,
Starting point is 00:03:07 there's going to be a lot of that. Plenty to get through on today's episode, of course, reviewing the race. We're going to be looking at the Hamilton and Alonzo crash that happened on lap one. We're going to be looking at Perez's attempt as he finished P2. Bold predictions, we'll be reviewing those that we made in our preview episode. Driver of the day, worst driver of the day. That's all to come, as will a discussion on Ferrari's race and how that went. But we'll start with Max Verstappen himself.
Starting point is 00:03:33 As mentioned, he on the grid was P14. Essentially, he was P13 because Pierre Gasly decided the pit lanes looked like a great place start alongside his team mate. He still had a fair bit of work to do, but by lap 18 of the race, it's a 44 lap race overall. He was already in the lead with all the pit stops. He was on a pit stop equivalent of everyone around him. So it was a fairly dominant performance. 17 seconds in the end was the advantage he had over Perez in second. On a scale of 1 to 10, Sam, how impressed were you by the Stappen's performance out there? I mean, it was a 10 out of 10 drive, wasn't it? It was a 30 three out of 10 to use his original number.
Starting point is 00:04:13 I mean, the guy, even with the advantage of the safety car, bunching the field back up again for him, he didn't need it. I mean, you remember, if you cast your minds back to before the summer breaking hungry, he did a 360 no scope and then still went on to actually win the race. So he doesn't need that safety car. He just had it anyway for fun, for funsies. Why not? I'll have it.
Starting point is 00:04:34 Go on. Try me. The guy is displaying the same level of dominance as we've seen. from the greats previously. You know, when Mercedes stepped into their own a decade ago, just under a decade ago, Hamilton displayed that dominance. Schumacher at Ferrari displayed that level of dominance,
Starting point is 00:04:52 and we're seeing it from other major champions in the past. The Stappen is in that era now. Red Bull of giving him a car that can go on to win race after race, but you look at the difference in performance between Sergio Perez, who is no slout. She's a very good formula. drunk driver and Max Verstappen who despite only being a one-time champion has surely got to be creeping into some people's top 10 of all time list at this point now you know he's he's becoming
Starting point is 00:05:21 that good uh he breezed past everyone easily even when he was on tires that were more warm that were a compound softer behind his team mate he was saying i'm wasting time here he's in my way get him out my way it's boring i'm doing a sedoku in the cockpit here and peres is still in my way. Move. Get out. It's like when you're sat behind the traffic lights. They've gone green. And for about a second, the person in front of you hasn't moved. And you're going, what are you doing? Move. Why haven't you moved? Then they move. I can vouch that is Sam's usual reaction. Yeah. Incredibly annoying. Like literally you get half a second before I scream out the window. Anyway, he's bloody brilliant, isn't he? You can't take it away from him.
Starting point is 00:06:05 All the controversy that happened last season does not stop you saying, just how very good Max Verstappan is, was, is becoming, I don't think he's even at its peak powers yet. I still think there's more to come from Max. It was a comfortable display of dominance today. It was never in doubt, I don't think, and he delivered. Well, on a very rigid scale of one to ten, Sam gives it a 33. Harry, one to ten for you, where would you rate Max Verstappen's performance?
Starting point is 00:06:36 I'd give it a very good out of ten. naturally. That is such a you answer. What's even me? Hey, I listen to the question this time. Well done. I think what some doubt for me was something that Brondell said in commentary was that
Starting point is 00:06:57 I didn't necessarily expect him to win in Hungary starting 10th, but he did. But there was just sort of an air about this weekend. It was like Hamilton in Brazil last year. You kind of just, I don't want to say expected, but it almost seemed inevitable that he was just going to win. He was just so bloody quick all weekend that it didn't matter what penalties he gave them handicaps. Yeah, it just looked like everyone else was on 0% AI. So, yeah, it was incredibly assured performance from him.
Starting point is 00:07:33 That Red Bull was a weapon around that track, but, you know, he was still gapped Perez by about 1870. seconds and Paris started on the front row. So yeah, it was ominous, I think. It's probably the right word. You'd hope that the advantage, maybe that the car had this weekend, doesn't it doesn't exist everywhere else this year because it might be a slightly dull rest of the season. But even so, I think, yeah, Verstappen was on, was just on another level today. Very calm behind the wheel. very assured on that opening lap and those opening laps when it was chaos. And just picked his way through. And then after that, I don't think that anything could have stopped him.
Starting point is 00:08:20 So there we go. Out of 10, we've got 33 and very good. I'm going to do something incredible here. I'm going to stick within the confines of the question. Naturally, I set it. So it's understandable. I'll do that. I'm going to give it a 9.9 out of 10.
Starting point is 00:08:36 And the only reason I don't, the only reason I don't give it a 10, is because Ferrari and Mercedes were that bad that there was really so little competition from those. And that doesn't diminish from what Vestappan did when it does to the tune of 0.1 of a point, I guess. But it's, you know, in Hungary at least, it was very close between the three teams. There really wasn't much in it. Whereas here, he was so far clear of what Ferrari were able to do and what Mercedes were able to do as well. And you're right, it was ominous really from the outset. when was the last time a driver started P-14,
Starting point is 00:09:14 and as David Croft brought up a number of times, was the bookmaker's favourite to win the race? That's madness. And to be honest, the race which I would directly compare this to was one that happened, give or take, 25 years ago, when Michael Schumacher won, 1995, he started from 50th. And on that day, it was very much the same scenario where it almost felt inevitable, he would climb through the field and finish P1, P2.
Starting point is 00:09:45 And here we have Max Verstappen. It's not the fact that he won. The fact that he won is impressive in its own right. It's the fact that he won by such a comfortable margin that he could have won this race a number of different ways. He could have started P20. He could have started for the pit lane. He could have won stopped it and I think he'd have won.
Starting point is 00:10:04 He could have three stopped it and I think he could have won. In the end, he went in between them and did a two stop. have no doubt that if he had to do, if he went on the hard tires on lap 18, or sorry, if he went on the hard tires when he first came into pit a few laps before that, I think he still would have won. And if he needed to pull out a bit more of a gap in order to get another round of softs in to get the fastest lap, I think he probably would have done that as well. So it's not necessarily the win itself.
Starting point is 00:10:30 It's the ease by which he's done it. And I made this point in Hungary where, okay, he wasn't the favourite to win from P10, but also I wasn't shocked. I was so unsurprised that he'd done such a great job. And the same thing here. He's just gone from P-14 on a grid. And the race could have been half distance and he still would have won. And there's just no shock about it.
Starting point is 00:10:54 There's no surprise. The bookmakers see that. George Russell sees that. He made a comment yesterday when asked, he was, I'll win this still. And George Russell was proven correct on that. And I'm not surprised at all. So I'll give it a 9.9 just because, you know, Ferrari could have turned up a little bit to give him a bit of a challenge.
Starting point is 00:11:14 But from his perspective, no, he couldn't really have done any more. Ferrari. Oh, no, no, no. I'm trying so hard to laugh at him. I'm going to really try. So, okay. On a race where Max Verstappen had to take. a penalty sending him to the back of the grid.
Starting point is 00:11:48 Red Bull come away with a one-two. And Ferrari come away with what should be patented by this point. Their classic, three, six. I'm going to go to Harry first on this one. Sam is not going to be able to get a word out in the next three minutes, that's for sure. What did you make of the... And I'm going to say it again, the patented P3P6. that Ferrari put together, Harry.
Starting point is 00:12:25 Right. I don't know how this is in their defence, but as we've already mentioned, I think Max for 7 could have won that race with his hands tied behind his back, and I also think the Red Bull was just too strong a car. That's the only defence I'm giving Ferrari on that one. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:46 Wasn't great. Wasn't great for them again, was it? it wasn't quite I don't think it's quite hungry levels of bad bad calls I think with signs his race it was they did anything particularly wrong there he just wasn't very quick Lecler's race
Starting point is 00:13:06 now look I feel like it's clear that they've been taking a bit of flack for their strategies but that doesn't mean that Charles Leclair means it has to be their strategist now because that's not how it works the amount of questions they asked that poor boy
Starting point is 00:13:22 I'm going to use that tactic with you from now to be honest when he's trying to drive a Formula One car and he's like, what, what, why you, what, why are you asking me these questions? Yeah, that was, that's not how this works, but you've got to be better as a strategy team, not make you drive, it's like they're trying to use him as a scapegoat. He's like, well, if Shell makes the call, then it's not on us.
Starting point is 00:13:49 Well, it's not our fault. No, doesn't that work like that? Doesn't work like that? And then the end of the race. They've got an 18 second gap to Mr. Alonzo. Very tight call to get that pit stop done. To get the fastest lap. They want to take the point off of Stappen.
Starting point is 00:14:10 I get that logic. But if it's that tight, why risk it? Why risk this? And if you are going to risk this, Do it a few more laps. Don't give him two laps to then get past Alonzo and try and set the fastest lap because all that happened there was, as you saw,
Starting point is 00:14:28 Lanzo got past him. Then on the lap that he was trying to do his fastest lap, they were playing DRS chicken down on the source. I think we could see on the little picture and picture, F1 had of it, which meant that it didn't matter what he did because he didn't get the fastest lap. Then in Cram de la Cram, you spent the pit line by one kilometer an hour
Starting point is 00:14:47 I read just now, which is ridiculous, but the rules ends up behind Lonzo anyway so they try to get an extra point and they lost how many what's different
Starting point is 00:14:56 between fifth and six two points two four point yeah great work all round oh man man man man it's just
Starting point is 00:15:10 it's just depressing oh yeah okay do you want to know the funniest thing about all this until that last last I was genuinely going to cut them a little bit of slack in this one.
Starting point is 00:15:26 And then just as it seemed like there was light at the end of the tunnel that there might not be a Ferrari rant on this podcast, they realized they had to do something really stupid really quickly. So they did that. I'll get to that in a moment. Because the point you make about strategy and drive is very true. There are two parties in this, right? Party one, strategy team. Party two, driver. In the same way that you should not expect a driver to do the strategy,
Starting point is 00:15:56 you would never expect the strategy team to do the driving, right? You wouldn't ever go over team radio and say, tell you what, tell you what, lad, do you fancy taking over for five laps? You wouldn't do that. And with good reason, because the strategy team do not specialize in driving, in the same way the driver does not specialize in strategy. they don't know what's going on around them. They don't know what other drivers have been doing
Starting point is 00:16:24 on the hard tire or the medium tire or how fast they're degrading. They don't know. So stop asking them questions and just tell them. I understand that, you know, they probably don't trust you that often, but you've got to build that trust from somewhere. So that was the major problem I have.
Starting point is 00:16:41 And like I said, the irony in all this was, I was going to cut them some slack because, you know, Carlos Seins was slow when I don't think it was signs as far. I think the Ferrari was just really slow out there today. But signs a strategy was pretty much exactly the same as Perez and Russell's, right? Apart from signs starting on the soft tire, which is actually a call I agreed with because they need, you know, with that straight line speed that Red Bull had, they had to make sure they led into Lecom, which signs did because he got a far better start than Perez did.
Starting point is 00:17:11 And part of that might have been the tire difference between the two of them. So I thought they were right in terms of their starting tire. But from there, really, they basically match strategies with the others. So I don't think on scientists side of things, I don't think they did anything wrong. But goodness me, on the Clare side, they just found a way at every opportunity. I don't understand the reason to go onto the medium tie for that. I was going to say last in, but it wasn't the last thing in the end, was it? It was the penultimist then.
Starting point is 00:17:37 When, you know, I think they almost like overcompensated. Like, you know, if I'm playing, if I'm playing darts, right? And there's a dartboard directly behind me, folks. and I'm hitting the one too many times. I'm like, oh, I've got to adjust. And what I'll do, because I'm an idiot and I'm not very good at that, I'll over adjust and keep hitting the five, which is on the other side of the actual target I'm going for.
Starting point is 00:17:57 That's basically what Leclair and Ferrari did, because in Hungary, they did not, they should not have touched the hard tires at all, yet they did. But the hard tire was all right here, but they overcompensated to the fact that they didn't want to go anywhere near them. It would have been fine to go on them, but they avoided them completely.
Starting point is 00:18:15 So then, you know, that all happened. And then finally we get to that last lap. And I honestly, I just started laughing. I didn't have anything to say at that point. Because first of all, you're doing it to, okay, we'll say gain two points because you're gaining one point yourself and taking one from Maxfusappen. So we'll say it's gaining two points. But unless you've got a strategy, unless you've got a gap, right,
Starting point is 00:18:42 that strategy should not be in play. It's too risky. And that's with Ferrari actually nailing the pit stop. We've seen Ferrari do so many five seconds, six second stops this year that would have meant that that was definitely not going to work. You know, they actually pulled it out of the bag in that respect, but they still fell behind Fernando a lot. You can see the gap.
Starting point is 00:19:05 You know that's going to happen. And then, of course, he does still get past him. Five second penalty not yet decided. and to be fair, they missed the fastest lap by a whisker. Sorry, six-tenths. Six-tenths. Over half a second. Over half a second they missed it by.
Starting point is 00:19:25 And then, of course, the icing on the cake is that they got the five-second penalty anyway that put them behind a lot, so. Yeah, go on, Sam. I can't even say anymore. The most hilarious part is it didn't even start on the Sunday. It started in qualifying where they put the clare on the wrong bloody tyres on its run, And he's like, why am I on these tires? What tires are these?
Starting point is 00:19:47 Why are these tires? And they're going, it's a mistake. It's a mistake. Do the run. Just do the run now. We're doing the lap, are we? We're doing the lap. And you're like, what are you doing?
Starting point is 00:19:57 You clowns. You're meant to be the pinnacle of motorsport. And your Ferrari, you're the most, you know, historic team in the world when it comes to racing. Listen to you. Paul LeClau is driving down the camel straight, having the Chinese menu. read out to him for his order later on, right? You want the 182, yet the Chinese crispy chicken. You want the 173, yet the chalmane.
Starting point is 00:20:21 He's like, what are you doing? I'm trying to do the race. I've got to do a race. Hello? No, Charles. No, dinner later. Come on. Poor lad.
Starting point is 00:20:30 How is it going to beat the staffing in that case? And then, yeah, the tyre choices were just stupid anyway. He's going, I've only been on these tires for seven laps, but you're going to go if I want another set of mediums or hards. Yeah, what one do you want? You choose. You want the driver. You choose.
Starting point is 00:20:43 No, I don't know what's going on. You choose, I will do the driving. And then, oh, no, no, no. You don't go. What are you doing with the bloody fastest lap? Not only did you muck it up so badly, as boys have already said. You've sped into a pit lane, to no avail. You got overtaking anyway.
Starting point is 00:21:08 So you may as well just take it in normal speed and caught up. But you were six tenths away. You weren't even close. It was honestly like it's a skit, like it's been made up, like someone scripted the whole thing for us in this podcast to sit here and laugh at you for 10 minutes. It's just embarrassing. There's no forgiveness. You're a joke.
Starting point is 00:21:29 You are a joke of Formula One now, Ferrari. You've embarrassed yourself. Saw it out. Fire the team. Get us to do it. I can assure you I will do a better job. Look at me. I'm laughing at you.
Starting point is 00:21:40 On luck, we're not live because you're listening to this recording. but I am literally hysterics laughing at you, Ferrari. It's a joke. You're a joke. Very embarrassing in the words of Flanda, who I think actually says in an interview after the race. Yeah, it was another weird call from Ferrari again today. Hilarious.
Starting point is 00:21:57 I mean, he would know about them. True. I like, you've seen that like meme slash video of, is a flooded street and someone's got like a mop and they're trying to like mop away the flood. I feel like that is what, Ferrari going for the fastest lap to try and improve their championship chances is like quick. Now have a point of this person who's got an 80 point lead on us already.
Starting point is 00:22:22 It's not going to work, is it? It didn't work anyway. My house is flooding. What shall I do? Oh, I'll start getting water out of the house using a sieve, you know? Come on. You can do it. Get the colander out.
Starting point is 00:22:34 Yeah. Oh, man. Oh, man. The strategic understanding of a rolling pin. Yeah. You are enept. That is harsh to rolling pins, to be fair. Yeah, I apologize to all rolling pins around the world. I think we probably need two minutes to recompose.
Starting point is 00:22:55 We'll be back with more review right after this. Let's have a look at some bold prediction, shall we, that we made on our preview episode. Now, our record continues to improve as we go throughout this season. Let's have a look at what we predicted. So, Harry, your bold prediction, if you would be. be so kind as to remind us was I can't remember
Starting point is 00:23:19 that could actually be true do you remember I think you said that there were going to be five was it was a five of grass yeah uh didn't happen no no not even glad we had we had one we had two at Lake home at Lake home Lake home Lake home
Starting point is 00:23:37 Lake home okay so in short wrong again. Good stuff. Sam, I mean, you teased us
Starting point is 00:23:49 on this one because it was looking possible. Oh, I tell you what, the real life 50-50 is struck again,
Starting point is 00:23:55 hasn't it? They taketh and they giveeth. On that one, I thought, hang on, we've got a 43 laps here
Starting point is 00:24:00 for the next one to happen. They've gifted me early. I could actually be right. I know George Rosser was just
Starting point is 00:24:06 annoyingly consistent and good. If you could have just crashed, just once, that'll be great. Or the engine blow up. Sorry,
Starting point is 00:24:14 George. But I actually need to be right about something for once and I am only half right again. So wrong. Still wrong. I thought I might actually be in a chance of getting mine right because I said that one of the Red Bulls or the Ferraris would be knocked out in Q1. And when the penalty started to come in, I'm like, oh, maybe one of them just like won't bother. Maybe one of them just be like, ah, just wait till Sunday. But then actually they ended up doing all of qualifying. So I was for a change. Wrong.
Starting point is 00:24:46 much like everyone else. So... Just recap on that one then. Let's have a recap. Let's get the Abacus out. Out of three, I'm counting that as zero. Oh, it's still one, one for the season then, folks. Well done.
Starting point is 00:25:05 We are over halfway through the season. We've got one right each. I feel like the last one right was like race three. Oh, yeah. We had a strong start to this. I think Harry got his first one right as well. we started strong. That doomed us, didn't it?
Starting point is 00:25:21 Some driver of the day and worst driver of the day selections. Who have you got for driver of the day, Harry? Quite obvious one, I think. But I'll do a couple of shoutouts beforehand. Georgie Russ was two seconds within a podium and that car was a hunk of junk this weekend thinking all fairness to Mercedes.
Starting point is 00:25:45 so he did a very solid race um thought soon to be retired Sebastian Vessel had a nice little nice little uh nice little nice little race went 10th to fifth in one lap
Starting point is 00:25:58 which was nice um but like Drogaladay has got to be the man who won from 14th uh well 13th I guess um yeah Maxie Vistap he was just unstoppable very good out of 10
Starting point is 00:26:12 a wise man said yes Sam, driver of the day I agree with every name that you said I'm going to throw one more game into the mix and that is now the newly dubbed Esteban double overtake only Ocon
Starting point is 00:26:27 because the guy hang a right little flyer two times two two two I don't know what the maths is but he did a lot of that he did overtaking of two people twice there's a lot of twos he was very very good actually
Starting point is 00:26:44 and I was quite impressed with how well he turned it all around. And also, Gazley, out of the pit lane, hang on also a good little race. There were some good performances in that midfield. But it's boring. I don't like to repeat, but he does deserve it. Max was stopping. He's going to be the job of the day. Yeah, I agree with all the honourable mentions there.
Starting point is 00:27:06 I'll throw in the last one of A double, Alex Albin, getting a point. That's, you know, any time you score points in a Williams, you deserve respect, but I agree with all the other Honourable mentions that you've said there, particularly Esteban Ocon, I actually think on nearly any other weekend he would be my driver of the day. He was really good. Bear in mind, he basically did the same job as Lecler did, right? One position behind, ultimately. And he very nearly beat Alonzo, of course, started a long, long way in front of them. But I will go with the masses on this one. I will actually agree with the vote, which is a shocking discovery. I've actually agreed with the people. Max Verstappam, driver of the day.
Starting point is 00:27:48 Given the speed that an album's a great show as well, he's been mighty all weekend, but given the speed that Williams has on a straight line, they're going to win Monza, right? Yes. No doubt. Okay. That's a rocket ship. As long as they like reconstruct the Lesmos to be a straight, they are fine. The Italian Grand Prix is just driving from the north peak to the south peak of Italy in a straight line, flies into the sea first wings. Yeah. Latifi podium in coming. Speaking of Latifie, quite possibly.
Starting point is 00:28:18 Worst driver of the day. Sam, have you got for that one? Oh, I'm going to say, no British bias on this. Lewis Hamilton, worst driver of the day. You hold him to a higher standard. You expect better. The crash was entirely his own fault. And it threw away what was going to be very strong points.
Starting point is 00:28:38 I think he probably could have gone to beat Russell because he got that good start. So I don't see why it could have been either a fourth, maybe even a third with how science was struggling. And that was poor points throwing away. And this was a really, really rookie kind of crash. I think this is the kind of thing that you see, scroll or Latifie pull out of the bag.
Starting point is 00:28:56 So, Lewis, not good enough. You are my worst driver of the day. What probably makes it even worse for Lewis Hamilton. And I know this isn't necessarily abnormal for him, but still, he was at spa on the same. Saturday evening until past midnight trying to go over what went wrong in qualifying and how they can make it up in the race, only for his race to last exactly one third of a lap. I know, maybe it was that.
Starting point is 00:29:26 Didn't get enough beauty sleep. Two contenders is Hamilton and the Tifi. Those are the only two contenders for me. In the interest of British bias, usually running rampant on this podcast, I'll go with Lewis. Hamilton as well. So make sure you, anyone who complains about us being biased
Starting point is 00:29:45 towards the Brits, just record this segment and listen back and remember that we're not always, all right? Bring back Europe. Great stuff. Hashtag that one.
Starting point is 00:29:57 Harry. BBE.E. Yeah, look, the two you've mentioned, other two contenders here, I think, very odd one for Blair-Saml. Look,
Starting point is 00:30:09 we know leosounden as probably one of the greatest wheel to wheel races ever um and i in his interview he said i just didn't know he was there which i was odd because he was he was overtaking alonzo it wasn't like alonzo was coming to overtake him i was like well what did you think he'd gone anyway it's like and it's fanano alonzo he's not going to just give it up anyway now i fancy it yeah yeah you have the third place mate um well second place it was by that point anyway um in the interest of not being completely British and biased, I'll go for Latifie because not many people... You usually hate Hamilton enough anyway, don't you?
Starting point is 00:30:48 Exactly. Not many people turn an overtaking opportunity as it was... Was he over... I can't remember who he was overtaking now. Was it Ocon maybe? Not sure. Turn an overtaking opportunity into a spin and crashing out an innocent Valtry Bottas.
Starting point is 00:31:08 Hell of a skill. worst drive of the day. I also love that after Valtrey Bottas goes, I beached, by the way, Latifie does a 360 in the grass. Clearly, and just drives off past Valtry like, cheers, bye!
Starting point is 00:31:22 You may sort of stuck your mingle finger out of the bloody halo at him as you went past, like, suck on this! You know, come on. I'm going to run rampant to P-17 now. What are you going to do about it? You can't stop me, Valtry. Happy birthday.
Starting point is 00:31:39 He's my gift to you. It would be funny, actually, if Botas would have, because he might have been in that P10 fight, so actually maybe Alex can thank Nicholas for one point if Bottas might have taken it away from him. I don't know. Moment of the race. What of you, Harry?
Starting point is 00:32:01 Look, I remember when back in 2020, it was confirmed that Alonzo was coming back to F1. A lot of people were like, why is he coming back? Give a young driver a shot. and my friend Benjamin Hocking said agree with all those things but Alonzo is just box office. You all say you don't want him but you do really.
Starting point is 00:32:23 And I think it's been proved, in the past month I think that theory has been proved right because my moment of the race has to be Alonso's radio message with the sick burn he's trying to give to this out and about only being able to drive them first. Yeah, I know our notions run high in F1. But that's just... The worst burn of all the time.
Starting point is 00:32:42 It's just... The worst... Alonso burn in the world. Got him. Oh, I didn't. Yeah. And I've seen another video on Twitter of him going, where Hamilton parked up just before Blanchie Monce.
Starting point is 00:32:55 Alonso drive past wagging his finger because of course he does. It's Fernando. No, no, no, no. He loves a finger wag. Um, yeah. Yeah. It's just... Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:07 It's just Fernando Aronze things. I'm head of the fan club, but, um, I'm not necessarily saying he's right in what he said, but it's just classic box office action. So that's my moment of the race. Ha, you're too used to winning. Ha, got him. Got him.
Starting point is 00:33:25 So successful. I'm crying inside. Got you. I thought that was brilliant. What was your moment of the race, sir? Well, Harry's moment of the race ending up leading to my moment of the race, and that was, I have, I think, realize this until to game. I have a secret love for Formula One drivers walking down strange
Starting point is 00:33:47 pathways around the side of F1 trucks. And Lewis Hamilton just on this quarry-esque road, just like alone into the desert. And it was just a hilarious shot. I mean, I felt sorry for him. He ruined his own race. It looked like he probably maybe hurt his back on that massive flight. He got on the flight early to the Netherlands when taking off of a long those front wheel. But hey, cause it yourself, mate. But the shot of him walking down that road all on his own was so funny. And then when he got interviewed halfway through the race,
Starting point is 00:34:21 and they were like, a lot of the radio said that you are, you can only wing from the front. What do you think of that? And he's going to, yeah, I don't care. Literally leave me alone. I don't care.
Starting point is 00:34:30 Don't want to wear it. Don't want to wear it. Like the cheek of asking that. It's just a hilarious moment. That was, I think it's Rachel Brooke, wasn't it? Who,
Starting point is 00:34:40 very good. journalist. That was a crap question. What are you painting for there? Come on. I love that as well. And I agree with you that drivers going down weird roads and paths is a great trend. The only thing that would have made it better is if like mad world by Gary Jules was playing in the background or like all by myself like Eric Carl like that. So actually at L. Breaking, what song would have best accompanied Lewis Hamilton going down that path? I say it's Lonely Road by Green Day. Yeah, good chap, let us know anyway.
Starting point is 00:35:24 My moment of the race, you'll know that we, well, based on literally this podcast, we like to take the Mickey out of the strategy course from Ferrari. And even more specifically than that, we like to take the Mickey out of them creating every letter in the alphabet for their plans. And clearly there is one team that also finds this quite funny, which is McLaren, because they are playing along now by telling Lando Norris that, sorry, mate, there's no time to execute plan G, golf. Like, what? How far down your playbook do you have to get?
Starting point is 00:36:02 You've got six previous strategies before you get to that one. Their strategy today was almost as bad as Ferrari's. It wasn't great from them. It was a weird one. It was pretty atrocious. Also, an honourable mention, and it wasn't in the race, so I guess it doesn't really count. And it's centric to people who watch SkyF1. Martin Brundel interviewed Mika Hackman on the grid.
Starting point is 00:36:24 And he asked him about his famous overtake on Michael Schumacher in 2000, if you haven't seen it, go watch on YouTube. And he's like, tell us about it. And Mika was like, yeah, it was the greatest overtake of all time. And he doesn't, just didn't care. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's correct. You are correct. It was the bet. And no one's beaten it.
Starting point is 00:36:43 No one's beaten it in 22 years. So you're welcome to the world. Also, on top of that, Estabang, Estabang, Estabang, Estabang! That's he's chasing him down the start finger street. It's hilarious. Also, his sunglasses are these. Oh, good. Good.
Starting point is 00:37:04 Good bless you, Martin. Well, we've given our driver of the day and worst driver of the day. After this short break, we're going to be looking at some Discord submissions and seeing if what you're saying is lining up with what we're saying right after this. Okay, let's listen to some Driver of the Day submissions.
Starting point is 00:37:27 We're going to start this one with Joys That Kill and hopefully, Joyce That Kill has remembered that Sam exists this time. Please. Hey guys, special shout out to Sam. Sorry for forgetting last time. I remembered you this time.
Starting point is 00:37:42 Hope it makes you feel a little better. Driver the Day, obviously, Max. I mean, can't go on that. anyone else started a 14th, climbed his lay up to the top in a couple laps. Amazing. Worst driver of the day was a little bit more difficult. Hamilton was the runner up at the beginning because of his stunt and same goes for Latifi. Not a great look, but overall, I have to give it to Charles Leclair. You started near the same spot as Max. You couldn't fight as hard. Were you guys supposed to be fighting for the championship? And you also have a strategy team
Starting point is 00:38:11 that is just given up at helping you. Apparently you have to make up your own decisions now. that's weird and then finally you spend in the pit lane five second penalty nice job man major sized oof I just want to at a longso that's how you actually burn someone let's go over to it we absolutely love this for two reasons reason number one is that we love a submission that happens trackside we've got we've got a track side submission coming up. But even better than that is the name of this submission. It is absolutely top tier.
Starting point is 00:38:54 Anxious Mayo Jar. All right, life from the track. Driver's day has got to be Max. Kicking it from P14 to P1 and forcing half of the Dutch population to cram themselves down the tiny roads a spot. Worst driver to today is got to be Latifi, Unremarkable race,
Starting point is 00:39:20 spins, pushes off, Bottas. That's a big, for me. Should we do that when we don't like something? What do you think of Ferrari? Don't do enough for that.
Starting point is 00:39:37 Underrated. If that was F1 overrated, underrated, that would absolutely be an underrated sound noise. in fact in fact quick interlude Overrated
Starting point is 00:39:48 Underrated What else is do we give What way will they go Overrated Underrated What are weak shoes Come to see the show Overrated
Starting point is 00:39:58 Underrated Underrated Moving back on Card Jeff is up next Hey for submission for today I'm sure it's going to be a broken record But worst drive the day has to go to Hamilton for such a good driver. That was just such a stupid move. Best drive of
Starting point is 00:40:22 day has to be Max. It's actually unbelievable how much faster he is than everybody. But moment of the day has to be Alonzo's rant about Hamilton. That was hilarious. But if these races continue like this with this much excitement might have to go down to the speakeasy. And Watch me some Cowboys football. Poo-poo-poo. Poo-poo. Poo-poo. Such a silent, like a silent p-poo-poo.
Starting point is 00:40:54 Sad. There's a pressure on it. Sam said before we started recording, actually, that that should be the noise that, like, confirms you're a late-breaking fan. So if you ever see us, like, we do a p-poo. Like, if you do the p-poo back, it's like we're on the, you know. Little finger gungs as well.
Starting point is 00:41:11 Yes. Of course, yeah. Let's go on to the next one. My arch nemesis, of course, Skyler. Lengthy point in coming. Happy birthday, Bottas. You're a driver of the day. I love it.
Starting point is 00:41:25 Yeah, I love it. Fair and logical reason. Yeah. Good job, Skylar. Hope school's going well. I mean, at least Botas can know. What would you rather have, botas? Put it this way.
Starting point is 00:41:37 Would you rather claim like a point or two in 9th or 10th, or would you rather get driver of the day from Skylar? I know which one I'd rather have, you know. Easy, sure. voice. Exactly. Let's go to Banana Boy. Hello, Lick Breakers. It's Banana Boy, 15 from America. And these are my submissions for Driver of the Day and Worst Driver the Day for the Belgian Grand Prix. In Driver of the Day, pretty obviously going to be Max Vestappen, but I really don't want him to win it.
Starting point is 00:42:09 So I'm going to go ahead and give it to George Russell for just being a boss. Worstst Driver Day, I got to give it to Leclair's. engineer for saying basically, oh hey Charles, you know, we lost the championship, so what do you want to get for dinner tonight? Hopefully there was something on the menu that was a good substitute for a championship, I don't know. I guess like that it's going to be 14 bonga boys before him. Yes, there has. Moving on. We've got Jim Jamel plus real dad. This is James. And real dad, not fake dad.
Starting point is 00:42:53 And this is my best drive of the day. My best driver of today is Maxisdap and drove through field brilliantly, really deserved that win and also a nice Red Bull won too. Worst drive of the day from Real Dad, Latifie, I don't think we need to say anymore. Just a disaster. Williams, you're in the chance, maybe getting both from the points. And Latifie, what are you doing, mate? I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:43:15 Good night. Keep out the good work, guys. Love the podcast. Bye. Bye. Love you, podcast, Dad. Thank you. Real Dad. Bye.
Starting point is 00:43:22 And lastly. Lastly, everyone. Oh, boy. The main event. It's Live Laf Latifie. Sit back and enjoy. One minute and 15 seconds worth of musical excellence. Harry.
Starting point is 00:43:44 Harry. What? Your gamut is ready. Down at the saloon, the whole late breaking discord at high noon. We're sitting here with Harry Sam and cynical band drinking gin. And man, he turns to me and he says, hey, live, laugh, I'll tell you fay. What do you say? What's your take?
Starting point is 00:44:11 Who's your Belgium worst driver of the day? Who you think are disgraces? They drive like past the cases. think that their place is in the bend tells you're drinking your gin and I said Ben Sabin' hair Girlfriend love Danny Rick So I'm a hate him for the sake of it
Starting point is 00:44:36 Why you gotta be so handsome Honeybatch took the girls off of ransom Between him and Lando and of course Murnando I'm a beat become a hermit And live off the wind So I'd rather feel the pressure Looking like a never driver And Ben said wow
Starting point is 00:44:52 I should have asked Giler instead so good live laugh atifi and original thank you very much for that submission I don't know what to say I think I'm in love with you fair oh god
Starting point is 00:45:12 thank you all for your submissions as per usual there they're very much loved and respected by us keep them coming we'll be back with submissions for bold predictions on the Dutch Grand Prix next week
Starting point is 00:45:25 Let's move on to Sergio Perez, because whilst Max Verstappen came through the field to win the race, it was a Red Bull won two. So Sergio Perez, his second place actually enough to elevate him to second place in the championship now, ahead of Charle-Claire. So given Red Bull finished first and second, Harry, do you think Perez did enough of a job? Or are you disappointed that actually this might have been an opportunity for him to take his fourth career win? I don't know again I think it comes back to I'm not sure anyone was able to stop
Starting point is 00:45:59 the stop on this afternoon and in that case Perez did all the rebel all the rebel need from him he was he was the second quickest driver there this afternoon and then brought him a one too so yeah I'm sure Perez thought
Starting point is 00:46:15 maybe this was a pretty good chance of avoiding his fourth race given where he started at the speed of that car and obviously that his super quick teammate was way down the field. But yeah, I don't know. It's an odd to what. I don't want to, you know, say that Perez is number two driver, but kind of is that team. I'm sure he won't want to admit that. But yeah, for Red Bull, this is, this is perfect. It's the perfect situation for them. For Perez, I'm sure he'll be disappointed, not being able to
Starting point is 00:46:47 put off the win. But I think realistically, where he finished was the best result for him, given how quick for Stafford was today. So, yeah, I think it's just one of those days. He just wasn't as quick as Max. And so I think it can't be too disappointed with the result. I'm sure he is somewhat sad that he wasn't as quick as his teammate. Would you reckon, Sam, do you think Perez did all that he needed to do? Would you be disappointed if you were him not to be able to claim the win out there?
Starting point is 00:47:22 I think you've got to look at it. It depends how you look at the situation. If you look at the situation of Sergio Perez is driving the championship leading car, the one that is, you know, 99% certain to go on to win both championships. Do you, if you look at him as a title contender, as a driver of his own right, as someone who has got the opportunity to go on and win races here, you've got to be so disappointed with this performance. You've got to think he started on the front row.
Starting point is 00:47:49 He started, you know, Christian Horner came out and said, reason we didn't give Perez a toe in Q3 was because we think that P2 on the grid is better than P1 on the grid here. So they even strategically plan for him to be in the best spot to their mind going. And he fell back massively off the start. He got lucky, I think, with the Alonkso-Hamilton collision
Starting point is 00:48:10 that basically re-elevating him back to where he'd lost out initially. Ferrari were very poor, so he didn't really have to hold off any resistance from them. And then with Perez, I'm not sure where his mind is at because when the sapping initially caught up to Sergio, coming down the camel straight into Lecom, he defended the first time around.
Starting point is 00:48:31 He pulled into the middle of the track. He did not open the door up. He will probably have lost maybe half a second, a second at most if they'd let the stapein through that first time down the camel straight. And yet he didn't and resisted the whole lap all the way up to the next time that they went down the camel straight. So I think Sergio Perez almost had an Inger Bass
Starting point is 00:48:51 there with himself of, do I want to fight my own teammate for a chance at winning this race? And I think in that time, that won that period, I think he came to his own conclusion of it's done and dusted, let it happen. And he did. Now, if you look it from the other side of, is Sergio Perez doing everything he needs to do? Well, what does he need to do? He needs to be the second driver to secure a Constructed Championship, or he's just moved himself into second place overall in the standings, albeit 93 points behind him. his teammate, which is a huge deficit. Is he bringing home the results ahead of every other car when they're needed?
Starting point is 00:49:28 Yep, he brought home a one-two performance for them. Can't really say anything else. So if you're looking at Sergio Perez only as a team player, as someone who is there to bring home, a constructive championship for Red Bull and to back up Max Verstappan in races, which Red Bull have been crying out for for season after season, since Samuel Ricardo was in the car, essentially. And obviously, at that point, they weren't even fighting for a,
Starting point is 00:49:51 championship, he's done everything he needs to do 100%. He was the perfect backup driver today. He absolutely cemented this for them. He's put himself in second in the championship. He's backed up for Stappen during the race. And he's no threat overall to the fight for Vestappen, making it a very easy call for the team on where to prioritize. But if you're Sergio Perez, I think you've got to be a little bit disappointing in this
Starting point is 00:50:15 performance. It shows the level of quality between Vastappan and Perez that Vestappen able to pull that off. And Perez is so far back. But from a team point of view, he's doing absolutely everything he needs to do and is showing no sign as to why he shouldn't carry on being in that car for now. Yeah, if you look at the X's and O's on this, Perez did exactly what he needed to do. The maximum points you can take from a non-sprint race weekend is 44. And Red Bull took 44 points. You know, first, second, fastest lap. That's all you can get from weekend and that's what they got. So if you're looking at it very matter of fact, yeah,
Starting point is 00:50:57 he did absolutely everything he needed to do. And as mentioned, that's enough now to put him second place in the championship. He's now ahead of Charles LeCler in that respect. And bear in mind that, you know, during Red Bull's previous dominant years, 2010 through to 2013, that's not a position Mark Weber was in, right? Year on year in, year out. We have, we have. We have a position. had Jensen Button in second place one year and I can't remember exactly how the championship went, but Fernando Alonzo second in 2012 obviously. So it's not exactly like the one-two existed back in that time. And same with Bottas, right? Well, exactly, exactly the same with Mercedes as well. It's not as if Bottas was in second every time Hamilton won the championship. So if you're looking
Starting point is 00:51:45 at it from that point of view, then yes, Perez is doing far better. If we're looking at this race specifically. I think to go back to the Botas comparison, if Botas were, when Botas finished like 10 seconds behind Lewis Hamilton and he finished like P2 or P3 and it was 10 seconds behind, we, I think rightfully questioned his performance, right? Whereas here we've got Perez about 18 seconds behind, a driver that started well into the bottom 10 of the grid. That's not a great look. And he did everything he needed to do today. But you could argue that the Red Bull advantage that they held out there was probably the biggest advantage or one of the biggest advantages they've had this year on their nearest rivals. And it might not necessarily be that way every race here on out. I certainly
Starting point is 00:52:36 don't think when we turn up to Zanvort, they're going to have the same advantage than what they had here at Spa. So what he did today might have been enough. But if he's performing on a similar level next week, I don't think it will be. So I think you will need to up his game for when Ferrari and Mercedes are potentially a bit closer. I think from a personal perspective, like his perspective, he will probably be disappointed. As a racer, it's only natural to be disappointed when you look at your teammate, where they started, where you started, where you started and where you finished. You can't look at that result and be happy, right? You can be somewhat content with the team result, sure, but you can't be happy.
Starting point is 00:53:17 And yeah, I think it was worrying how quickly, for Stappen caught Perez, when they were directly in college. It was seconds per lap. So I think, yes, he did what he needed to do, but he probably does need to step up his game for future races if and when Mercedes and Ferrari are a little bit closer to them in overall performance. I think Horner will be aware of that as well, right? I think you'll look at this performance to go, brilliant.
Starting point is 00:53:49 We've walked away the full set of points, but what if? What if Vastappan's car broke down with maybe 10 laps ago and Ferrari sniff, hang on, can we pull something out of this here? Or in a race where Ferrari is much closer in performance, for example, if we go to Zandvo next time out, Mercedes and Ferrari might be closer, the Stappan might be 15 seconds up ahead. The car breaks. Suddenly, it's a one versus two signari like we were seeing beforehand. Would another driver be able to get that job done and maybe probably,
Starting point is 00:54:17 Perez would succumb to the pressure and not be as far ahead as he needed to be. It's definitely a scenario that the long-term thinkers at a company like Red Bull will be looking into. And to be fair, just the final point on this, because to give, to, you know, excuse Perez a little bit in terms of the gap between him and Vastappen, he might well have shut it down in the second half of the race. We don't really know at this point when we're recording, but he might well have for reliability concerns, well not even concerns, just you've got nothing to fight.
Starting point is 00:54:47 for, right? Once Vastappen's past, he might well have been just, you know, managing that gap and doing as little as possible almost. But Vastappan was probably doing the same thing as well. In terms of the championships, Harry, do you think both titles are over? Because we've mentioned Vastappen, Leclair and the Drivers' Championship quite a lot. But in terms of the constructors, do you think that's done and busted? Yeah, I think so. I think it's game over now, isn't it? Turkey's cooked. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:55:20 Sorry. Sorry, shit. Fans who want a close championship, but I don't have the confidence in Ferrari to catch up what is a fairly large gap now. Yeah, like you say, maybe had the car performance, has been closer,
Starting point is 00:55:38 it might be a different story for Perez today, but I still think he'll be able to do enough, along with Vestappen for the rest of the season to wrap it up. So sad times. We've been here before. 2021 was lovely. Let's hope for more of that.
Starting point is 00:55:55 Do you think the turkeys cook some? I mean, we've already discussed the drivers. I think I worked out earlier that if, it seems unlikely, but if Max Verstappen outscores, and the colour by 45 points by Singapore, he'll win the title in Singapore. It feels very unlikely, but that is the earliest scenario. The same feels very much.
Starting point is 00:56:16 true for the constructors. The gap is now 118 points, I think it is, between Red Bull and Ferrari. It seems far gone. I can't see Faroe with all the strategy woes, reliability issues. We even heard with Sykes, right, today. He had reliability issues having to avoid certain parts of the track.
Starting point is 00:56:34 I can't see them mounting a challenge with less than half the races of the season to go to pull this back with the staffing on this level as well. Yeah, it seems like, if I'm totally honest, lock up the season now. throw away the key and we'll move on to 2023 as soon as possible. It is a bit down and dusted.
Starting point is 00:56:53 Buckle in, seatbel at the ready. Gobble, gobble, gobble. Yeah, yeah, it's done. That's it. Oh, good. Yeah, I'm going to think it was. Bain the switch there. Yeah, it is done.
Starting point is 00:57:08 Thanks in the first half. And to be honest, it was done months ago. Sorry. Oh, no. See you next year, folks. We'll be back after this short break. We're going to be looking at Hamilton and Alonzo's crash that happened in lap one. Sam, we saw that Hamilton with his post-race interview,
Starting point is 00:57:34 essentially claimed responsibility for the crash. Certainly commentary saw it the same way. Firstly, did you see it the same way as well as both Hamilton and commentary? And then secondly, was the no penalty, the right decision from the stewards? Um, I, I actually think that, obviously, through his disappointment and frustration, I think Lewis Hamilton handled the post-race crash scenario very well. Um, he was obviously peeved incredibly, I'm avoiding avoiding a bleep. Um, yeah. I mean, he was obviously in the mud, right? He was very excited about coming back after the summer break. He, he, giving many an interview about we're here to cause carnage, we're going to tear it up. You know, here we go, swaggering into the pit lane with that weird crochet thing on his
Starting point is 00:58:30 head. Come on. I don't know what it was. I tried to defend him endlessly, but I'm not sure what that one was in the middle of summer. Weird? Yeah, but I mean, Syl, he was full of confidence. Boom, Saturday hits. Lewis Hamilton and qualifying side of the top six was three seconds off the pace.
Starting point is 00:58:48 So I think that caused him to go, we've got to go quick in the race. We've got to put our mark on this race as soon as possible. And that led to a very clumsy move around the outside of Alonso. And it was his own fault. Harry made a very good point earlier. It's Fernando Alonkso for a start. It ain't giving it up. Also, you're overtaking him.
Starting point is 00:59:07 Where's he going? You've got to get around him and move on. Lewis knows this. Lewis's racecraft, 99% at the time, is more than good enough for this. This was very strange for Lewis Hamilton. And I'm glad that the first thing he said, was I'm sorry, sorry to the team. It was my own fault.
Starting point is 00:59:23 Bad mistake. And it was. It was one of those that would be choked up as Lewis Hamilton having a bad race. You could probably count those on one out of push two hands across his entire career. But this was one of them. I also think that the interview question was terrible. And he handed that pretty fairly as well. Some people might think he came across as blunt or rude.
Starting point is 00:59:44 But honestly, you're being in a high octane situation. Your car has been at least six feet in the. the air, you're incredibly frustrating at where your career is probably sat after such a successful run. And someone goes, what do you make of Fernando Alonkso saying that you can only win from the front? Lewis Hamilton knows that's got the case. Lewis Hamilton is more than secure in his own ability.
Starting point is 01:00:04 And he's saying, I'm not answering that. Get on with it. It's a silly question. And I think he also released another quote that said something on the lines of, look, we've all said silly things over team radios in heated moments. It's competitors. We do it. He moves on, which I think is perfect.
Starting point is 01:00:18 fair. Ben, what was the second part of the question? Oh, penalty, right? Yeah, yeah. There you go.
Starting point is 01:00:23 I got too involved in my own question and my own answer. Do I think that I should have been a penalty? Again, we've been through this with the, with the steward so many times.
Starting point is 01:00:32 They are basing it a penalty decision off of Lewis Hamilton having a DNF from this race. That, in their mind, is the penalty. That's not okay. Because what if that race happens, what if that instance happens,
Starting point is 01:00:46 rather, the next race, the exact thing, right? A car goes around the outside, their back wheel makes contact with someone's front wheel, and they get flipped up, but both cars carry on, and maybe the car following loses a cut to places. Well, it's the same incident. It's exactly the same. A penalty should be given.
Starting point is 01:01:02 So I think even if they go, Lewis Hamilton, 10 second penalty, and it sits at the end of it, or it gets applied to the next race, something has to happen there. It was a silly, silly move on that one, and I know they'd get away with blue-bloody murder on that one, most of the time, but this should have been a penalty. It was a reckless and silly move from Lewis. You expect better. And I think other times we've had a penalty given to at least a five seconds of severity, but I think it probably should have been 10.
Starting point is 01:01:27 So I disagree with the decision not to give a penalty. I'm getting a bit more of things just being noted when they've had rules broken. It's getting a bit boring. Dory, we saw it. We saw it. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Noted.
Starting point is 01:01:40 This is noted, FIA. I'm coming for you. Yeah. No, it should have been a penalty. And there's been a few incidents over the weekend that I think probably should be in penalties that were also noted, that the FIA just kind of go, ah, too much fath, too much fath,
Starting point is 01:01:55 cut the bog with that, move on. So yeah, penalty, Glad Hamilton took it on the King and apologised, and I think he handled the post-raged production, interview, whatever, very well. Just got a word from the FIA. They have noted that you have noted that you are going after them.
Starting point is 01:02:11 I've noted that. Right. They've just got in touch again to say that they have noted that you have noted, that they have noted that your notice that you are going after them. Don't you dare come back to that sound. Oh, well.
Starting point is 01:02:28 Yeah, to give Hamilton some respect in the first instance because I think you're right in terms of his reaction to this, generally speaking, Hamilton is one of the better drivers, if not the best driver, really, when it comes to claiming responsibility when they're in the wrong. And it doesn't happen all that often with Hamilton, but we have seen it with one of the incidents he had with Albin. I think the Brazil one, he was very upfront about that saying,
Starting point is 01:02:55 yeah, I made an error, my bad. And he's basically done the same thing here. And I think he's right to claim responsibility. It was his fault. Yeah, I know people will say things about Silverstone and responsibility there. But this one, this one's very, very clear that it was Hamilton's error. and he has said, look, this is my fault. In terms of his reaction, I think that's absolutely fine.
Starting point is 01:03:21 I will say in terms of Rachel Brooks' questions in the interview pen afterwards. I agree. I don't think it was a very good question. I'm tempted to give her the benefit of the doubt here, just based on the fact that she is generally a very good interviewer, a very, very good interviewer. And we aren't privy to the conversations that she has with Sky and F1, and what questions they want her to ask.
Starting point is 01:03:46 We don't even know if that was her decision or what she would have wanted to ask. I don't know, but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt on that one for sure. Yeah, in terms of the incident itself, cut and dry, you've got to give the space there. We've seen plenty of incidents happen at LACOM. I think it's a great corner, actually,
Starting point is 01:04:03 because going around the outsider there is risky, and you do have to leave that space for the driver on the inside. We saw plenty of incidents there in F2 and F3, this weekend too. So, you know, it's a really great corner, but Hamilton should know better, really. Yeah, I agree with what you said, Harriet. The thing is about it being...
Starting point is 01:04:25 Hang on a second. Sorry. Sam's cat. It's just watered across the screen. Sorry, she's hungry. It's her time. She's a baby jump. She's jumped straight up onto the laptop.
Starting point is 01:04:41 She'll hurry it up. I'm... Ian. I'm really sorry, Ian. Yeah. He should know better, right? Alonzo's on the inside. All the time you have to leave the space.
Starting point is 01:04:53 I think someone said that once upon a time. Can't remember who. I'm sorry. Wise man. Yeah. Yeah, and in terms of the penalty, I don't really have anything to add versus what Sam's already said.
Starting point is 01:05:07 Yeah, they should penalise it when, you know, the DNF is not the penalty, I don't think. So, yeah, I'm with Sam on that one. What do you think, Harry? Yeah, I mean, all the same as what you've already said. I mean, fair play for Hamilton for taking it on the chin. You know, not every driver's willing to do that. Incident itself, as you say, it was completely on him.
Starting point is 01:05:33 And very uncharacteristic for Hamilton. I don't want to lay into it. Because like you say, Sam, you can probably count the bad days he's had an F1 on maybe two hands, if not one. but yeah very uncharacteristic very characteristic move well you're sitting all that you yeah yeah
Starting point is 01:05:50 from him and when you consider that Lance stroll managed to execute the same move if you compare yourself to Lance droll you're always going to end up disappointed right yeah that is arsh you haven't laid into me
Starting point is 01:06:05 then you've literally take his legs out from underneath anything with that so red card anyway Yeah, but, you know, he's admitted his mistake on that one. And yeah, it should be, I don't know what the penalty should be, but if it been the other way around and Alonzo was the one that went out and Hamilton carried on, then as you say, boom, that's a penalty for Hamilton every day of the week
Starting point is 01:06:27 in the current state of for one or one of one stewarding. So why isn't it a penalty anyway? I look, I don't like handing out penalties. It's well known, but even I can say, see, that's a, penalty worthy incident. So, yeah, not much more to add to what you've already said, to be honest. To be honest, if it was the other way around, as you suggested, Harry, I'm pretty sure Alonzo would have stood in the middle of the Kemmel's straight.
Starting point is 01:06:57 And wagged his finger. Pull over and talk to me. I dare you. Pull over and talk to me. All the cars just dive into the left and right to avoid him. I know we've got about this message, but I love that he said he, like, in his he starts is with, well, he had a great start, as if, like, he's having an interview with someone. It's like, yeah, the engineer knows you.
Starting point is 01:07:19 He's on your team. Yeah, he was watching. He was probably watching that one. Well, he's probably used to Ferrari not watching. So he's just going, just so, are you there? You made sure if you have a big start. Yeah, you might want to watch it back. That's actually just his new tactic to avoid doing media after a race.
Starting point is 01:07:35 He'll just go up to the likes of Rachel Brooks and say, just take a minute 2, 38 seconds on my team radio and that will do as your sound bit. Yeah, there you go. Black one corner six, there's your quote. Bye. Yeah. Well, I think we should probably leave it there.
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