The Late Braking F1 Podcast - 2022 Brazilian GP Review

Episode Date: November 13, 2022

Well, that's a bit more like it! The boys review a thrilling Brazilian GP, where George Russell won his maiden GP, Hamilton and Verstappen collided like it was 2021 again, and there were team orders controversy all over the place... JOIN our Discord: https://discord.gg/dQJdu2SbAm SUPPORT our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/latebraking TWEET us @LBraking BUY our merch: https://late-braking-f1-podcast.creator-spring.com/ SUBSCRIBE to our podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Reviewing today the penultimate race of the season, the Brazilian Grand Prix, a Brazilian Grand Prix with plenty of drama, and plenty of firsts, a first-ever pole position for Kevin Magnuson, a first ever sprint race win for George Russell, and a first actual race win for George Russell as well and count that as the first Mercedes Grand Prix win of 2022. Who would have thought it would have come with just two races to go in the season? And he led home a Mercedes-1-2

with Carlos Sines also being on the podium in third. A tough one for Max Verstappen as we've become accustomed to seeing him win over the last long time. What do you make of that one, Sam? Over the last long time, a fantastic entry into the segment there, folks. It's just a long time, isn't it?

I mean, yes, in terms of measurements of time, a long time is very correct. I mean, let's just go to Sao Paulo every single race. Interlagos never seems to let us down, whether it be rain or shine, whether we have a sprint race there, despite the hate on this podcast. I think we could all agree that the entertainment over the weekend was enjoyable, and we did have a lot of fun with it. And the racing up and down the field was messy in parts. It was wheel-to-wheel-rubbing in others,

and there were some fantastic moves all the way through the grid. that's what you want in F1. You want a little bit of controversy. You want a little bit of hard racing. You want some great surprise finishes and the surprise result of the likes of Magnuson picking up pole position on Friday. What a feel good moment.

I feel like we've really missed that feel good moment. The fact that we had almost like a triple header of newbies at the top, obviously Georgia O'Gillipolis, but not a sprint race winner. And now a race winner as well, absolutely brilliant way, I think, to cap off what's been a little bit of an anticlimactic season. If you're a fan of incredibly club.

close racing and close championship. So, well done into Lagos. You're absolutely delivered. And Brazilian fans, as always, were spectacular. Just cheering for everyone all day long. Absolutely love that. Great job. If you can't hear, I'm quite hoarse.

So I'm sorry if this is annoying you, Hegphone listeners. Nay. Very good. I just would like to make an apology, first of all, because I think it was the USGP review podcast. I said that it was great to have some remnants back of the 2021 season championship with Hamilton vestape and battling. I'd like to rescind that comment with immediate effect because today I didn't miss it at all. That is all.

Yes, you would have been mistaken for thinking this was actually the 2021 season out there today, perhaps for the first time all year. also to your point Sam interlagos is the best circuit in the world if you disagree with me you can actually fight me i don't fight for much but i will fight for interlagos being the best circuit on the calendar i'll be selling tickets in the car park outside come and find me as the car park yes you mean this is Madison square garden territory i'm a hot prospect in this world one lonely bar for a ticket damn right um to be honest we could probably talk for about three hours. We're not going to. There could have been about 15 things that made the list of topics for today, but what actually has made the list of topics, sprint race forts,

we're going to be talking about that a little bit later on. Vestappen and Perez, the disagreement about who should keep the position. Vestappen being asked to give the position back to Perez. He completely declined. We'll be discussing that one a little bit later on. Vestappen and Hamilton crash for good old time sake. We'll discuss that one too. And of course we'll run through driver of the day, worst driver of the day, and moment of the race. But to kick things off with the battle at the front, Mercedes claiming their first win of the season, first won two of the season with Russell, leading home Lewis Hamilton, of course, for his first ever Brawn Prix victory. Now, Lewis Hamilton had a bit more of an entertaining afternoon, you could say, having to force

his way back through the field. But in terms of George Russell's performance to hold off Hamilton after the late safety car, Sam, what did you make of his overall composure in that drive? This is everything we've been calling for from George Russell, I think, since the summer break ended. He has deployed the race that I think he needed to gain that confidence boost, to gain that pick me up from, it wasn't a bag, run of form. He just wasn't showing the same level of, you know, equal performance that he and Lewis Hamilton were maybe sharing at the start of the season. George Russell absolutely demonstrated why he is a talent for the future, why he is someone that is able to go on and succeed. in this sport, why he could be a future world champion. This was his best performance. It was a fantastic performance. And I do not think he put a single wheel wrong all weekend. The only thing I,

oh, well, apart from the absolute. If the weekend starts on Saturday, well, you make a very fair point. Will ignore the Friday. Anyway, maybe we'll discuss that in a little bit. But in terms of his Saturday and Sunday performances, they were spectacular. What I am furious at, though, George, is that Ben is now actually correct unless you, D&F, Hamilton, Wings and on Countback, he's somehow ahead. So, mildly furious, and I will now be angry for the whole of the winter break, which includes Christmas, so you have ruined Christmas for me. But apart from that, George, pretty job.

Well done. Hope you happy with yourself. Harry, what did you make a Russell's performance out there? Ben is looking decidedly smug. I can say that, folks, for those you can't see him. yeah i totally agree with with sam he was um faultless and you know let's ignore friday maybe it was even part of the plan who knows um but it's big brain thinking 150 IQ um yeah look he uh yesterday and yesterday was yesterday was impressive i think the racing

with with vastappen was was um you know the bafting there was was really impressive from him him. And then particularly because he's had a few clumsy incidents as of late. I think he needed that. And then today, it always looks so under control. And I think those last 10 laps in particular, we didn't really see much of it as well, but harder, under, hard to estimate. I don't know what I'm trying to say there.

Easy to make light of that, basically. Because it's got Lewis Hamilton behind him, seven times world champion, once his first win of the year and Russell didn't put a foot wrong where I was thinking this as we were watching these last 10 laps I was thinking if this was last year and it was Valtrey

Bottas I think I'll be like Hamson's won this but I was because it was Russell and sorry Bottas isn't a slander to you but just confidence in Russell to hold on it was very impressive so yeah it's what we've been

not waiting for from George because he's been very impressive this year, but I said in the preview, he got his clean race out of the way in Mexico. He needed a quicker one. Delivered it. So, um, well on, George. Cheers, sir. Cheers for listening.

My turn now. Yeah. Go on and smuggy, Ben. Super. Take my headphones off. Oh. Oh, that was some bloody good performance, won't it? Oh. Tell you, tell you what. I mean, I obviously, I wasn't

nervous at all about my prediction. that George Russell was going to beat Lewis Hamilton across the course of this season. And this, by the way, is going to be absolutely hilarious if what Sam said is true and Hamilton does actually end up winning next time out when George Russell retires. But I will take the risk

because this is the opportunity to glow. Well done, George Russell. Serious stuff. Great performance. We shouldn't ignore Friday. And honestly, I don't think the ruling is correct. And I think the ruling is correct in other series, where if you do cause a red flag or even probably a yellow flag, you should have your lap time rescinded

and you shouldn't be able to start where you did. And quite honestly, the whole weekend could have panned out very differently if George Russell does not crash and probably not in his favour as well. So I don't think we should ignore the Friday part of the weekend, and I think we should as a sport learn from it. But if we're looking at today and I guess Saturday as well, in isolation, he was exceptional. I think pace-wise, and I'll ask both of you the same question in the moment,

I think pace-wise, there wasn't anything in it between the top two drivers there today. Hamilton and Russell, pretty much level pegging, I think. But ultimately, it was that composure that was required. And it was the composure of someone who's done it 25 times before. It was the composure of a guy who's won three world championships. You know, that's what he emulated out there. it didn't look like someone looking for their first ever race win and having the most successful driver of all time behind them

looking to take it away from them. Mercedes didn't make it easy for him in that they allowed them to fight, which I believe was the right call. We'll talk about team orders for other teams, perhaps a little bit later on in this podcast. Loll. Loll. But yes, it was an exceptional drive.

He had the composure. It's been a really difficult couple of weeks for George Russell because he's made a few mistakes, people have been dunking on him. I feel for George Russell because, and I mean this in the nicest way, he's not inherently cool. Like people like to dunk on uncool people. I would know that first-hand experience. Exactly. But finally, I mean, there are people on this podcast who will go unnamed who refer to him as the most overrated driver on this grid. Harry. Sam Sage.

Oh, what? Yeah, goody sake, Harry. How's that happened? I wasn't even there. And he did a great job in proving doubters wrong out there. That was exceptional. That's why Mercedes hired him. And on today's evidence, he didn't put a foot wrong.

You're absolutely right. Sam, do you have any thoughts on, firstly, the Friday of it all in terms of whether there should be a difference in the rules there? but also in terms of if it was Hamilton versus Russell in, shall we say, a fair fight, if there wasn't anything else going on, do you think he still would have taken the victory? I'm glad you asked actually, because the point I wanted to make was I do feel like as much as George Russell put in a stellar performance and one, and wholeheartedly deserves this victory. I do think it is a victory with circumstance. It's one that is aided by outside of exit.

He doesn't really have too much control of. But I do think, and to be fair, it's happened with many F-1 run. It's not like he's the only person. You have to take the wings and you have to take the losses, right? And he ran with the highs and well done to him. But his crash on Friday, right? I very much agree with Ben. I do feel like the ruling, we've seen it a few times in the last couple of seasons.

Monaco has had a couple of instances of crashing out, causing a red flag and pole position being decided. It happened at Baku. I think with Sikes and Lecler, there was a red flag and pole was decided. You know, we've had it again here at Brazil where the weather changed and positions were decided. Do feel like if you cause a red flag, especially in a qualifying session, you should be removed and have to start from the back of the grid. But hey, that rule doesn't exist. And George Russell utilised it. He got a little bit lucky with when it happened and how it happened,

starts third. And then you get to the sprint race. You've got Kevin Magnuson as one of the cars in front of you, who let's face it, is not in the most competitive car. And whilst he's taking a blinding job and hasting a fantastic job of getting him out there when it mattered and securing that spot. We all know that over a race period, even a third of a race period, he isn't going to put up the most difficult of fights in comparison to maybe Perez having had lucked onto pole or science having have lucked onto pole. It was a heart, which we know is maybe an eighth or seventh best car at top, which I think helped again. And then, of course, there was a little bit of damage that we saw with the Stafford's car, which slowed him down slightly. So I do think there's a lot of

little things that are stacking up to help Russell. But as I said at the start at this point, any good driver takes advantage of all those little things. A bad driver or a mediocre driver would let them get the better of them. They wouldn't take advantage and they wouldn't make the most out of an opportunity weekend. Mercedes needed an opportunity weekend to succeed. And George Russell was the person that grabbed it by the horns, the Red Bull horns and won the race weekend.

And deservingly so. He did a fantastic job. While I think things should be reviewed for another series, that's a different thing. He did a fantastic job. He made it work forward. him and he deserves those 25 points. What do you think on that one, Harry?

Just back on one of the points Sam made, would you put them to the back of the grid rather than, so say Russell then, would you not put him 10th? Oh, I guess if it was in Q3, yes, I would put him to the back of the drivers on the grid. Sam would

rule with an iron fist if he was in charge of F1. Yeah, look, I I have almost forgotten the question, but I'll carry on as if I remembered. I think Sam's right, there were some circumstantial points that helped

Russell here, one being that he fell off the road himself and got the red flag to come out and qualifying. Conspiracy. Conspiracy started. But he, I think he, look, he didn't need to do it and do it, like prove anything, but he didn't enough for me

when he was leading at the start at the first safety go restart and then as I mentioned those last 10 laps holding off Hamilton for me to be kind of enough that I think could have won this on pace anyway it would have been very close

and maybe we were robbed of a proper battle all race long but yeah I think his pace was so impressive it would be interesting to see what it would have been like had he had sustained pressure for more than those 10 laps to the end of the race but yeah as you said Ben it was

the composure of someone who wasn't, you know, under pressure for the first race, when it was someone who looked like they had won many a race. So, yeah, he did get fortunate in some, some areas, but, but I think he wholeheartedly deserve it based on, based on the pace he had anyway. It says a lot about the Brazilian Grand Prix that I think this race could have gone like 10 different directions and all of them would have been really entertaining. I I would have loved to have said. I'm going to say, I think this was a blunder from Mercedes. It's tough.

With the Hamilton situation where he was protecting against the undercut from Perez, based on how much he saved his tires on the first in, I would have liked them to have gone longer on that. I know they would have lost the position of Perez. I think they would have got it back. Let's just pretend the safety car doesn't happen at the end of the race. I think they get that back anyway, and he's on maybe six, seven lap, fresher tires versus Russell.

I think that's a thrilling finale to the end of that Grand Prix. I can understand why they protected against Perez in that scenario, but I think that had got it anyway. Regardless, Hamilton wasn't happy with the decision at the time, but who could blame him? I think this probably proves if they've got the car next year, they've got the line up to do it, right? I think it was there anyway,

but Russell's win here just almost puts the last little bit on that resume, I think, to prove that even if they have a competitive car and not the outright fastest car, people need to watch out for them next year again. Can you imagine that? The Mercedes dominance,

it's just a one-year hiatus, and it's just another seven years after that. Oh, no. Oh, no, no, no. We're going to be talking about Kevin Magnerson's pole position right after this short break. Audiences and top critics are celebrating. Rental family is the perfect feel-good movie of the year. What you need me for?

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Because of course, Kevin Magnuson, out of nowhere, Randy Orton-style, managed to get pole position away from the, the main players. And he did so before the rain came along. We know that George Russell obviously crashed out, beached the car, which caused the red flag. By the time the red flag was gone,

the track was in no condition for anyone to improve. How impressed were you by that lap, Sam? I mean, I would be lying if I said it was the greatest lap of all time. I think I would be lying if I came out and said that, you know, it sits along there with, you know, some of the Monaco laps we've seen in history, you know, when Schumacher came out of retirement. and put that lap around Monaco and Hamilton went around Singapore that one time.

You know, it wasn't up there. It won't go down with one of the greatest last full time. But he was out there on the track at the same time with some of the fastest drivers on the grid that we have at the moment. You can't remember that Kevin Magnuson only came back to F1 at the start of this season. He's had a whole year route. It's a whole new era of cars. And the fact that he was able in those tricky conditions to deliver a lap

at such a crucial moment and well done to Haast for getting him out there at the perfect moment. He said that the moment he received poll over the radio. he said, well done to you for getting me out there, you're the reason we were there, which is fantastic to hear. Everything came together. He did exactly what he needed to do. It was not a groundbreaking map, but it was exactly what was needed at the time.

And I'll tell you what, came out getting poll, really made me realize something. And actually the same with George Russell winning today. I miss the emotion of hearing someone really, you know, oh my God, this has happened to me. I can't believe it. The first time ever. miss that, screaming down the radio, the team slapping him on the head as he's in the garage, jumping around. When you get these consecutive winners and these consecutive poll cities,

you know, 20, 30 times, you know, over the space of a couple of seasons, their reaction becomes so like, yeah, yeah, like, you're having it for staffing, average. Yeah, nice one, guys, thanks for the team. And you're like, yay, thanks for the team. Well done, everyone back at home. And, you know, here in KMAG, oh, my God, I'm on poll. Or George Russell crying.

That is what I love to see in Formula One, that level of passion, excitement that their dreams come true. So, yeah, it wasn't the belt of a lap that maybe it will go down in history. But for Haas, for KMAG, for the team, absolutely exceptional moment in Formula One. Loved seeing it. Oh, yeah. I mean, it was an epic performance on the Friday. And I think it is really important to point out that they were all on that track at the same time with the same tires.

It's not like Kevin Magnuson was the only driver who managed to get a. a dry lap in and everyone else only managed to do it on inters. That wasn't the situation. Now, Magnuson was absolutely right in identifying it over team radio and it was true that based on his position on track, he did get the best of the conditions. But that wasn't it.

He still had to execute that. So I think for those who were saying it's a fluky poll, I think that's probably not putting enough credit on Magnuson. I think he was able to, he was able to, he was able to perform in the conditions and everyone else had the same conditions. I think it really helped that qualifying session overall. There's a few drivers on the grid who were very, I don't know how to describe it. It's like pure drivers like Magnuson, who almost just get to grips with the conditions

almost straight away. I'd probably put Alonzo and Norris in that category as well. I know Norris didn't quite get as high up the grid as obviously Magnuson did or a few others, but I know he was the last driver out in that group right at the end of qualifying. And I think Alonzo similarly, if he had the opportunity to do the lap, I think he'd have been there or thereabouts as well. And that's really where Magnuson shines. Really didn't help McSumacher's cause,

which might be something we discussed midweek, of course. But, yeah, I mean, timing-wise for Mick Schumacher, that is rotten. But from Magnuson's perspective, what a laugh. that was. What did you make of that lap, Harry? Yeah, it was it's, those are the moments we watch F on for you for the, I don't want to say minnows, because that's really, that's harsh on Hass, but

but the underdog, but they are, they are, they are minnows. That's what we're watching for. I, and Sam, you're absolutely right about the reaction to, the reaction within the garage is so great to see. I, I remember thinking the same thing after Monza, Monza 2020 when we had a Ghazly signs stroll podium. And all three of them were bloody delighted to be there. And it was the same for,

same for Magnuson and Hass on Friday. So I know the other teams, obviously like George today, he was over the moon for winning his first race. But when you get into those top teams, it's more expected, isn't it? You know, they might become slightly numb to it.

But when it happens unusually for a lower down team or driver, it's just great to see their reaction. And like you say, like you say, Ben, he, everyone's on the track, um, on slick,

well, nine drivers were on the track with slick tires. One of them wasn't. I forgot about that. Oh, I don't know this is a topic. But anyway, um,

they were all on track at the same time, had equal opportunity to, to get that lap in. and Magnolson was the one who absolutely smashed it. I think you're right in terms of that pure driver thing and I don't know whether you put him in the same caption, but when there's like a low grip, straight out the box track,

Valtrey Bottas as well, someone I'd put, that's why he's always fastest in practice and more used to be left in the day. He still is to be fair. Yeah, he's still pretty quick in FP1 and FP2 and then it falls away. Yeah, so he's, I think, you're right,

he's in that same vein. it was a really impressive lap and yes circumstantial but but also arguably if the rain was coming anyway maybe he would have held onto it without the red flag it's it's hard to say but um yeah great it was great to see great lap from from k mag and it was yeah like I say it's what we what we like watching F1 for I'm so glad you brought up Ferrari because it might not got mentioned otherwise honest I tell you what been been a fan of F1 for a long long long time. Seen Ferrari

do some ridiculous things in my time, I can tell you that much. Don't think you've ever seen a tyre passed over a car before.

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Am I the idiot? Let's swimmy on to our next topic, which is driver of the day, worst driver of the day, and moment of the race. Driver of the day, who have you got, Sam? It's got to be Georgie Russ.

Despite it being circumstantial, we saw the trouble that exceed for so many drivers up and down the grid, whether they be in second place or they be in, you know, 18, 20th place. He was brilliant. He showed what he's made of. And I think he redeemed himself out of some of the errors he's made previously this season. So Georgia Russ, driver of the day. Harry, driver of the day. No, George Russ is a huge contender, but I can not give it to this other driver just because Ben's an idiot. But Fernando Alonso, mate, one from 18th to 5th. I don't even

mean care. I don't even care if it's circumstantial. Also, the ability to leave a Formula One team in flaming, like, just Saturn's, yeah, exactly, before you move on to another team, he's got, he's, he's a, he's a professor in it. He could, uh, he could teach at university how to, how to build, uh, to how to burn down bridges. Um, because I don't think he liked anyone at Alpine anymore. And I don't think they like him. But anyway, uh, yeah, Fernando, on is a, driver of the day. But yeah, Russell was another very strong contender. And I think also, again

circumstantial, but look like I thought he'd have quite as strong. Given all the things they've tried to throw at him this weekend, Ferrari and Lando Norris, I think did quite well to recover to 4th. So, but anyway, Alonso for me. Honestly, I think the reason

why Lans Stroll nearly drove into Sebastian Vettel this weekend is because Stroll is so preoccupied, He'd be dolepy and the prospect of facing Fernando Alonso next year. Uh-oh. You're just looking at what's happening at Al-Pine, like, oh, that's my future, isn't it?

That's coming here. You're going to look a bit of silly, Harry, actually, because my driver of the day is also Fernando Alonzo. I can give the guy credit. That was pretty sensational. I honestly think outside of Hamilton and Russell, he was the quickest guy out there. I don't think he was slower

than Vostap and all the Ferrari drivers, or Perez. I'm actually really annoyed he started that low down because if he started in the top five, I think he's there. I don't think he dropped back at all. He was that quick.

Russell obviously deserves the mention that has already happened. I think it was poor, particularly Vettel, but also Bottas to an extent. Those two were great out there. And to be honest, if Bottas had beaten Ockon, I think I might have given it to him. But I think he was that good.

But Bottas and Vettel were both a bit undone by the safety car, particularly Vettel, those medium tires, as evidenced by Perez, just couldn't hang on. And to see Stroll get a point from the weekend and Vettel get none, that must hurt, given how much better Vettel was all weekend long. worst driver of the day who have you got Sam? This one's actually quite difficult

and I know probably people are going I think there's one obvious contender at the start of the race but I'm like we're going to discuss that situation that happened earlier and I'll go into why it's not that person I'm going to give it to Sergio Perez your teammate

yeah your teammate has a collision and again we'll go into who's at fault and what happened through that later on in the podcast to stay tuned for it but your teammate has they got damage your teammate has then got to perform, you know, I think it was a 10-second nose change,

which tag said on the radio was maybe a world record nose change. It's incredibly quick, so why don't it to the Red Bull pit crew? But the fact he manages to come back at you and beat you, and again, we'll get into the team radio thing later on, but he still beat you. After a safety going, all that stuff, where you've got to get bunched up,

you've got the pit stuff and everything. In that Red Bull, I don't really care if it wasn't the best car this weekend. I expect more from you. I don't think it's good enough. And I think Sergio Perez. She'd stop my ruling as much and get on with it. So, worst driver of the day.

Oh, Harry, worst driver of the day. I will go for the obvious one, seeing as Sam didn't. Danny Rick. I mean, it wasn't as, it wasn't as bad as last race in Mexico with the Yusinoda assassination attempt. But it was just so clumsy. Because he'd got it, it almost got it under control. just ran into the back of

Magnuson. It's just sad. It's just sad to see because not only has he had not had the pace this year, there's been a few of those incidents and for a guy who we know who's been mega quick,

but also probably more famous for being a demon overtaker. There's been some real clumsy ones this year and I think this was, this one tops a lot of them. So yeah, it just makes me sad. He's getting worse drive of the day for making me sad. Cheers, Ricardo. Do you think he's kind of said to himself, oh, when I took someone out and I hit him really hard in

Mexico, I was really good after that. I can't go to points. So if I do it again, but on lap one, I should be amazing for the whole race and that's what he's tried to do. Then it's backfired, I mean, I enjoyed Magnuson just like, I'm not going to hold my breaks, mate. Get out, you get out your own way. I'm having you. I'm coming back for it. Carman hits you hard and fast, I'm trying. I just want someone to like overlay over the top of that like Magnuson reversing noises you know like a proper

caution this vehicle is reversing yes worst driver of the day Matt I disagree with Perez I think he was all right out there today I thought he had a pretty good race and I think he was unlucky with the safety car

again those medium tyres were not up to it when up against the softs I have a few contenders as Ricardo, obvious reason. Norris as well, that was a really clumsy one into LeClair. That was, again, I think that was a pretty slam dunk penalty, agreed with the penalty they gave out on that one. Sonoda was nowhere, but I'm going to give worse driver today to Nicholas Latifie.

I really think I might believe this. In all of Latifie's career to this point, I think this might have been his slowest weekend. Like he was that slow compared to whatever. He nearly, did you see him in the spring race? He nearly got lapped. Yeah, yeah, it was bad. In a sprint race.

And I think he can be quite thankful for the couple of safety cars that happened in the actual race today because otherwise that that margin between him and the rest of the field would have looked pretty awful. I'm pretty sure he was 40 seconds behind Albin at one point, if not slightly more. and then the safety car obviously happened. But, yeah, I don't want to because he's going anyway, but it is Latifi for me. I think you're a little harsh to call out, Sonoda, started from the pit lane, didn't let get let out by the FIA being unlapsed. So he was stuck so far behind everyone else who managed to run away off the road in that brigade.

He was ahead of Gassely at one point. I think it's a little bit out harsh on him to be called out for worse driver. What did you have for a moment of the race? I'm torn. I am torn between two events. One is the one I just mentioned, the FIA, simply forgot about Yuki Sengoda

and didn't let him unlap himself. That is quite funny. Unfortunate for Yuki, but very funny. The other one is LeCleur, almost being like a petuling pet where they want feeding, but it's like, it's not you're doing it on you, mate.

And the club's like, please remember the points. Hey, Guys, please remember the points. Guys, please. Guys, please. And they're like, gung, gung, gung, gung, gung. You know?

I think I think I'm just going to go with the Lecair radio because I found it so amusing that he just kept on, like, low-key sulking over the radio, like some child, and it was funny. So that's going to be my moment with the race. Take the, like, three radio messages from him before they could think of a reply. They're like, no, it's too risky. Yeah, on the last lap. Big time risk out there, Chuck.

Sorry, mate. Moment of the race for you, Harry. My moment of the race is, but I've already mentioned him, but poor Kevin Magnuson being stuck on the infield, just having to watch the entire 70 labs. Poor boy gets knocked. Talk about like hero to zero stuff.

Not his fault of the second. Obviously the zero. But pole position on Friday, that part of the race gets knocked out. And just to add insult to injury, he stuck on the infield watching the race. Bless. I think he chose that.

He had a car with Ricardo. He got back. See, I like to think they had like a conversation when it was Ricardo and Magnuson and Ricardo's like, oh, he should get left with me. And Madison, like, I don't want to lift with you. You just took me out.

And he's like, Daniel's gone, you realize you'd probably be stuck in all race. Like, yeah, all right, sure. And then he does actually get stuck there. yeah anyway that was mine my moment of the race I do actually have a moment of the race but I will give one

not quite a mention because it didn't actually happen today but it happened yesterday I just want to say with all of the really entertaining it was a good team radio weekend overall right there was a lot of spiciness on the team radio we had Alonzo

thanking our friend thank goodness it's nearly over right we had the Vastapen-Perez one that we're going to talk about we had LeClaire that has already got Sam's mention but the best team radio the weekend was the simplest one of Sebastian Vessel just going

okay okay yeah right okay yeah that seems fair cheers Lance he's so like to imagine you bloody morong

So I'm sick of you. I loved it. It was way better than if he'd gone on this 30-second tirade. It was just, all right. Oh, wragly, man. Yeah, absolute cucumber. My moment of the race was the fireworks firing up into the air when George Russell crossed the line to win the race.

Shut up, Ben. And save my blood pressure from going through the route to the point where I probably wouldn't have made Abu Dhabi, if it was like two points in it with a race to go. Thank you, George. Oh, God. You're right on the team radio. It's been some crackers this week.

Everyone's a bit like, I don't know what it. Yeah, the altitude. It's been a long season. I was like, I hate everyone on this grid. Go away. You know what? It feels like finally we've got to, like, the team's recognizing that it's dead rubber season in that the championship

has been settled for ages. and we've had a few good sort of races that technically mean nothing for the world championship in the past and it feels like it's still been fairly formal up until now and this is the point where the drivers have gone I don't matter anymore does it?

I don't care. Wives. Let's have them. Bold predictions. Right. Sam, so if I remember correctly, I wasn't convinced that yours was bold enough but it didn't matter anyway

because it was wrong, right? I want your lousy opinion, Ben, on my bold prediction. Thank you. I deployed enough big bold predictions on this show. It was still wrong, so we'll move on. To clarify, was it 15 or fewer drivers to finish the race? 14, 14 or fewer? 14.

Right. I mean, none of us were as bold as Kevin Magnerson getting pole position, so this is entirely pointless. That's when a bold prediction really hurts, isn't it? when something more bold happens at the weekend and none of us can predict it. I said that there would be a battle for the lead and there would be controversy going into turn four.

I feel like that's the only thing that didn't happen. Yeah, yeah. Literally everything else happened apart from that. What was your bold prediction, Harry? Oh, good question. I think I said something about someone coming from the back to be on the pony. Oh yeah.

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Maneras, powering Canadian commerce. Visit us at maneras.com slash commerce. I was probably going to start this topic with that, but I'm not going to anymore. Been beaten to it. Discord submissions, driver of the day, let's see if the people agree with what we've said or if they've got something completely different. That's going to bung us. Hello, my late breaking lads from across L.A. Bigwet.

my driver of the day. He has done it. The tall glass of whole milk himself. Georgie Russ is our driver of the day for being an absolute masterclass today and winning that race. And my worst driver of the day is Danny Rick

for forgetting how to overtake and just sending it into the back of Kevin Magnuson and receiving his karma by Kevin Magnuson sending it right back into him. All right. Have a groovy day. I'm not sure if you forgot how to overtake.

I think you just forgot when to overtake. I think that's probably the closer description on that one. Just don't do it when, you know, there isn't an opportunity to, Dan. When there isn't a gap. Do not go for it. I'll use Kevin as my break. Very much did there. Let's go to Cormac 99.

Hey guys, Riley here from New Zealand. Just thought I would put my first ever drive. driver of the day and worst driver of the day in um driver of the day has to go to georgie rus what a drive first win congratulations mate that is outstanding worst driver of the day is mcclaren in general they are just taking out people like rocket ships today and to be quite honest they weren't looking that good anyway thanks guys love the podcast really appreciate it have a great day thank you cool mate it's good on i think jimmy broadbank is going to sell out of no punterino skick is that the rest of the grid can stick on their cars when McLaren are around

because I can't believe they both literally ran down the cars straight off the track this race. It is very poor from both of them. Yeah, especially at a weekend where they really could have done with some points as well. Let's go to, let's go to Skyler. What does Skylar have to say? My driver of the day is British people. Woo! Does that mean we win drive for the day?

yeah nice cheers Skyler oh this is so busy I think that also carries on Skyla's trend of always giving it to Landon Norris

that's true that is true just extended it further it's not just Landon Norris this time thank you Skyla let's go to

Hazer not the one that's already on the podcast but a different one right guys Azaree driver a day worse driver a day

or driver a day I do want to give it to George Russell obviously amazing but it's got to be Fernando and Enso like Giza what right have you got to be a first of a 17th in a reno?

I mean it's absolutely ridiculous The man is an athlete beast may carry on until his pension years and his free bus pass Worst drive of the day Now this one's got to go to Daniel Ricardo I mean I know you've got your feet up on the beach already mate because you're not in the next season but two races in a row,

you just thought, there's a car around the corner, you know what, I was riding into him, who cares, don't matter anymore, does it? Well, it does matter,

mate, he's still a professional, quite frankly, embarrassing, but at least he ain't got to worry about it next year because there's a test driver, there's no other car's on the track to it,

it's a geeseer. Jesus. Crikey. You're, that is savage. That's a burn. That's a burn. That's a lot of error

for that one, Danny. Has a remark. Have you ever seen the film The craze with Tom Hardy, he reminds me of when he plays those guys. And you know in the scene where he walks into the pub and he goes, you bring a gun to a shootout. That is what hasn't happened like all the time.

That reference has gone way over my head, so I'm just going to have to trust it right on that. Is it from the Cray Brothers film? Yes, yeah, it's from the Cray Twings. It's a great film. Oh, Georgie Ross, I'm so proud of you. To confirm, that wasn't me. You might have thought it was. That was Joyce that kills.

Love that. She also bought a bag of Worley bars in America and said they were delightful. Yeah. Bring on the Worley Revolution. What are the shipping costs like on that? More than the bag. Almost definitely.

We've got back-to-back submissions here and they came in right after each other in the Discord channel, which I love, from No One's Daddy and then Real Dad. Make a that what you want. Let's go to No One's.

Daddy first of all. Hello, Chops. Just kidding. It's No one's daddy from the USA. Driver of the day goes to George Rosso, the man from Canesley first win in Formula 1 first win, the season for Mercedes. Let's go boys. Let's go boys.

All right, enough of that. Worst driver the day for shappen. Should have let Perez through. Got to get that one, two in the Drivers' Championship. And now I think they're going to be tied for points. Leclair and Perez. and Perez, not looking good, but we'll see what comes to the last race. See you guys.

Sausage is out. Oh, great impression. We sound just like that. I was about to say, have you ever heard an English person talk? That's not quite there. George Russell for Mercedes. Hello, boys. Hello, and welcome to the late breaking F1 podcast.

That was a raise. Let's go to Real Dad next, shall we? Yes. Hi guys, this is Real Dad. And James. With our best and worst. Driver of the day. My best driver today is George was had a perfect drive.

Worst driver, I think just has to go to Danny Rick. I felt really sorry for Haas. I mean, just give them a bit of glory and gets messed up at the beginning of the race. So sorry, Danny. You messed up. mate. That's it over and out. And thanks for the great podcast guys. I guess it's another late night breaking tonight.

So love yourself. And catch you next week in Abu Dhabi. You guys are so lovely. But he's no controversy. Oh. Snuck that in there. I would think you're right. But also, you never know.

Safety cars are actually banned in Abu Dhabi next week. True. Oh, God. Also, if they were Ferrari fans, those transitions between the two of them would take like 10 seconds every time and that submission would have been three minutes long. But here we are. That's good at home there, didn't I? Let's go to Ryan Julian. Hey guys, long time listener, first time submitter recording this one from the parking deck right outside the hospital where my wife yesterday gave birth to my second child.

I just had to get one in today. Congratulations. For a driver of the day, I've got to go with George Russell dominated the entire weekend. The safety car at the end made his teammate think he'd get a chance. But he said, nope, meep, I'm out of here and got his first win. And so I had to get this one in. Worst driver of the day, but not even that worst human being of the century. Got to go with Max for stabbing here.

What the heck was that at the end with the I have my reasons? bro you've dominated the year your teammates on medium tires give him the spot back what kind of jerk stuff is that anyway got to go guys thanks for everything you guys are great bye because i go make sure my newborn child is okay um bypassing a lot of the sad begging harry is still available if you want to use it bypassing a lot of people for title of worst human being of the century but we'll move on yeah yeah just just a disclaimer Our Liska's views are not our views. Do we have any time to listen to Beef? I feel like I do need an update.

Yeah, go on then. Go on then, Beef. Hello. The first of the day is Alonzo. He's like a little silent assassin. Okay, sorry. Sorry, I've got two people just beefing behind me. Background Beefs.

Ricardo, can I even get around that one? on. Okay, bye. There's a silent assassin. You know, it's me, beef, I've done a submission.

Chris, the podcast. Have you ever heard the story with him in Food Fighters, by the way? It is so good. I'm going to tell it

because we're hearing out. Christopher Walking was presenting a talk show in America and the food fighters were on it, obviously, he were all lovely. Dave Grohl,

the loveliest man. Chris turned to him and said, Dave, in his voice, how do you present, how I present the food fights? Well, I put the emphasis on Dave Grom, know exactly what's happened to say. Well, you put it on the fight, it's obviously. So, Chris Walker walks out and went, ladies and gentlemen, for fires. And it makes me laugh every time. Good.

Good stuff. Thank you for all those submissions. We'll be back for some more of them for the last time, I guess, this year, in terms of bold predictions and driver of the day. were just one race to go. Let's move on to Vostappan and Perez, because you would think with the championship wrapped up, and I mean that from a drivers and constructors' point of view,

there's not much room for controversy between Vostappan and Perez. Wrong. There definitely is. So Max Vestappen making his way back through the field after that early tangle with Lewis Hamilton. Safety car obviously helped him out to the point where he was able to overtake Sergio Perez, but wasn't able to make any more progress other than that.

go to the end of the last lap. Red Bull would like them to switch the positions back in order to help Perez out in his fight for P2 against Charles LeCler. Max Verstappen said no. And he kept the position ahead of Sergio Perez and quite a feisty radio message in response when he was asked to do so. Sam, what did you make of the saga? Was he right to keep the position or was he in the wrong here?

This is a bit of a reverend. in Formula One. I think we've had a moment like this over a team radio, maybe since Vettel and Weber were at their kind of most intense level, you know, the whole multi-21 section. If you're not aware of that, maybe drive to survive viewers who are new to the sport, go back and watch those few seasons with Vessel and Weber

because it was a heated teammate battle. Now, I'm very much in two schools of thought here. And the first school of thought, Max Ostaappen being asked to move out the way of his teammate after overtaking him, why should he right he's the world champion he's driving his own race he's caught up to him he's past him and maybe Perez didn't put up much of a fight at all maybe we didn't hear a radio saying let him pass I never heard that radio so I don't know if that happened but to my mind for stab and overtook Perez and realistically formula one is an incredibly cut-throat business you get the most points that you can

I'm very much sure that max for staffing is probably sat there thinking well I've won the championship Sergio Perez, if you want to finish second, finish second, mate. Your one that should be scoring the points and not relying on me to give them to you. And if I'm Sergio Perez, I kind of have a little bit of a mindset to think, do I want this out of charity? In the second school of thought, though,

Max Verstappen, my friend, you've won everything. You have nothing to lose at this point. And the glory of a one to for the team is fantastic. It's never happened before for Red Bull. And if you want to, you know, how to make friends, you're not doing it. You're going to Alienate. your closest ally in Formula One.

The man that, if you don't forget, maybe alongside some other controversial moments, helped you wing the 2021 world title in that final race at Abidabee. And Sergei Perez has been a very loyal servant to the Max Verstappan Red Bull cause over the last two seasons. And a one-off pass out of the way

when you're not even going to win the race, you want even on the podium, would it really have hurt you? But what we heard there was Max Verstappen declaring, I'm the number one, I'm the team boss, I'm in charge, I am the captain now, as a famous person once said. And, you know, he's running with that mentality.

And that is what we've seen from a lot of big champions in the past. Vettel, Schumacher. You know, even when the likes of Senor are about, we've seen that mentality over the radio, where it's them, them and only them. And ruthlessness is a really essential part of F1. So I'm not taking this as to heart as what a lot of people are. I don't think it's offensive.

And I understand where the Stappan is coming from. I think if any driver could have that mentality and that ability to control a team in that way, then almost why wouldn't you? But part of controlling a team, part of being a successful area is that fact that you've got another side of the garage on your team, you know,

they need to help you, they're there to assist you. What's to say that Perez next season, never bothers, never bothers turning up now for a race for it, never moves out the way, never helps offend or holding a long up because that could be the result, right?

This could be enough for Perez to go, nah, I'm going to retire on a couple seasons anyway. Why should I bother now? and that could happen. You could very quickly alienate a very, very useful person on the track. So I don't really care what way this happens,

but that's where I'm now on two schools of thought and I wanted to explain where maybe each side was coming from. If I was Max Verstappen there and then, though, I probably would have moved over for Perez, but hey, I'm not a two-time world champion

doing the dunce. Two-time world champion. You're not allowed, mate. You're not a two-time or champ. That's true, I'm not. Stop doing it now. God. Harry, do you think

that Vastappen was right to keep the position should you have let Perez past. Another thing to caveat this with as well, from an outsider's perspective, as we three are, I imagine there were similar radio discussions happening with LeCler and Ferrari after the race two, in a different way, because they didn't let him go past signs,

but we didn't hear them. And I think that there's obviously more, in the same way that we hear a lot of Lewis Almond on the radio, we also hear a lot of Max Verstappen. I know that's just the way it goes because they obviously are big focus points in F1. So a lot's being made of this, but I envisaged that there are similar conversations

happening at Ferrari. A tricky one, because he was, Maxis was so very close at the end. It was only a couple of tents behind Alonzo at the line. So I can see his I can see his reasoning for not wanted to because I think he well another lap he probably would have got him anyway but I think he probably

fancied a runner Alonzo over the line obviously didn't make it a stick there is also some there's some I'll be intrigued to see what happens over the next few days because there's something some underlying problem there or issue or reasoning background background background background beef exactly oh man this podcast Yeah, it's a bit of background beef going on that we don't know about some people, when I say some people, Twitter, which, you know, don't believe anything, but are suggesting there's something to do with Monaco,

where Perez crashed in final seconds of Corley and got himself ahead of Max on the grid. Who knows if that's true, probably not. But, yeah, there's something there, some underlying reason, and we could tell that from the comments Max made. Yeah, I'm with Sam here. there are definitely two ways to look at this. And the great drivers, the ruthless ones, often are like this. We've seen it with Vettel, we've seen it with Schumacher, etc.

Where they, you know, that's how they have. They have a ruthless streak in them. And whether it's kind or not, that's not why they're in the sport. So, yeah, I can see the arguments both ways here. Checker's done a lot for Max, you know, Abu Dhabi last year being a prime reason, but I can also see Max's reasoning here

because he wasn't let past. I know if Chekker didn't fight it that hard, but Ristakam was clearly quicker towards the end of that race. So, yeah, it's a tricky one. Would I, for the sake of where he was, yes, probably I would have let him pass, but again, as Sam said, I am also not a two-time world champion.

So this is probably why not amongst many other reasons. Just this one reason. If I was more ruthless, boom, seven-time world champ. Correct. Yeah, I think that's probably where I would have sat. But I can totally understand it. I'm with you, Sam, I think it's being slightly overblown.

And I think it is also because we heard it at the end of the race where we didn't potentially hear other comments too from the lights of Ferrari. So, yeah, was that a conclusion? I don't know. For me, good enough. Off you go, Ben. Sure.

Brilliant. I'm not going to pull any punches on this one. I think that was an utterly stupid thing for Maxfussappen to do. I think that was moronic. Why on earth did you not give that position to him? Now, we can discuss whether it was right or not, because I think that is a discussion. Because Vastappen got past Perez, and he would have got past Perez regardless of whether

Perez was complicit in it, whether Perez wanted him to or not. Vestappen was soaring past Perez. Nothing he could do about it. So I think there is a discussion to be had on, you know, should Vastappan slow up to let Perez finish P5 in a Brazilian Grand Prix? I mean, is that really, sorry, P5P6 in a Brazilian Grand Prix? Is that really necessary? I think there's absolutely a discussion to be had on whether it was right or not, based

what Perez has done for Vostappen, and, you know, it's a lot more than what Vestappen's done for Perez. But it doesn't matter whether it is right or not, because Vestappen should have done this, regardless whether it was right, wrong, or anything in the middle. Think about it from a very selfish perspective. You might need him again. You probably will need him again. In situations next year, and the year after that, Perez isn't going anywhere. So think of the long-term game. You have won the champion. ship in dominant fashion taking a record number of wins. Who the flip cares whether you finish six or seven?

Honestly, man. No bleed today, but very close because I don't understand this. It literally doesn't matter to him whether he finishes six or seven. It's two and I am going to put both of my fingers out for this. One, two points. visual means. Why are you fighting for? Perez, he doesn't care, right?

He doesn't care if Perez has finished his second or third, and nor should he. But for his own selfish sake of needing Perez later down the line, he should pretend to care enough to give him the position because he's got that one in the bank. When Perez needs to do something strategy-wise next year to protect against the resurgent Mercedes, that might well happen. You need him there, right? I don't know what Perez's mindset's going to be now. This will forever be there.

That will forever be there now, and it will be in the back of his mind. I think Vestappen could have and should have moved over. I don't care whether it was right. Think about it for his own selfish sake. He might need him again. He probably will need him again. And what would it have cost him?

A grand total of two points in a championship he's already won. I think it was mind-blowingly moronic. You know what? Actually, Ben, I think you make very, very good points. as usual, she's very gowing. What's bring this to mind is, and I can't remember what year it was, it was a race at the Hungara Ring, and Hamilton was let past Bottas to try and hunt down, I think, the lead at one point,

and he didn't get it, he never caught up to the person in the league. And on the last two corners, he dropped something like seven or eight seconds back to let Bottas come around the final corner to re-overtake him again. And I think it's moments like that why Hamilton or Bottas are such chums, regardless of the fact that they were both in a title winning card, year after year after year because they had that sportsman conduct between each other and you can see how well it

benefited how many times did Bottas move out of the way at like when he was leading a race for the long term right when it came down to the wire and you're right maybe Perez is not what Perez sorry maybe Max has thrown away the biggest ally who will ever have on a racetrack

what was the line from Perez it was what was it was we know who he really is now or shows who he really is yeah that ain't good. That ain't good to put it on. I think what the only apology you can maybe have now is if say it's a one-two for Red Bull at Abu Dhabi, Max pulls away to let Perez win. I don't even know if that rectifies it, but you know, it's not good. I think, yeah, as Sam says, Ben, you make very, very good

points as usual and probably the thing that we didn't focus on. And everyone else is focusing on is, was it sportsman like, et cetera, et cetera, but that's not the, that's not actually the problem here for Max, it's the future. And I was thinking back then, if you go back to the Schumacher days, Ruben's Barry Kellogg, I don't think, was legally allowed to go past him. But once Schumacher had wrapped up the championships,

we saw some real pathetic, like, trying to go over the line together, letting Rubens win things. But I think because Schumacher still understood that, you know, the need to have Rubin somewhat on his side. So, yeah, very valid. I don't understand. You just put a pros and cons list in your, very quickly in your mind.

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So that might well feature as the exclusive topic. Or might well feature as part of it. of the midweek episode because, as usual, we've just got it. Gone on and blamped for too long as usual. Let's have a look at the Vastappan-Hamilton crash. It isn't 2021, we promise you. You are listening to the 2022 review. Sam, the stewards gave a five-second penalty for Max Vastappen.

Did you agree with that decision? Oh, now, I am so actually torn on who's at fault here, which tells me that maybe I should go down the racing incident point of view. But I think the reason why I'm torn on whose fault is, is not because of Max or because of Lewis. It's because of the FIA's judgment on how incidents like this are now resolved. I don't know what the right ruling should be.

We had the whole retired 2021 championship, right, where multiple occasions, Max Verstappen, who was within the rules according to what the FIA said, ran Lewis Hamilton off the road. It happened multiple times. Take Imola from 2021, for example. Right, Hamilton was bounced over the curbs during turn two. Nothing was given.

Hamilton shafting off the track. And then you go back to the likes of Silverstone this season, right? Whereas some drivers ran drivers off the track and they got penalties. I think Vastappen ran Schumacher off the track, didn't get a penalty. And then you come to this moment where Vestappen is fully alongside Hamilton. Hamilton is left half a car's width. But then if you include the curb, which is within the track limits, it is literally a full car's width, neither of them backing out.

I think this is a racing incident but I think it is harsh to penalise for stabping in what happened there. He was as in the corner in my opinion as Lewis Hamilton was. One of them had to back out neither of them were obviously going to but it is in this moment

that I think it is so clear and obvious that going into the next season the FIA needs to release a clear set of rulings of what is allowed to happen in will-to-will combat or you go will-to-will because it causes so much toxicity and confusion and frustration with the fan base on Twitter.

You see how awful it is. And the drivers need to know what's right and what's wrong. Because both drivers came out and they were like, well, that wasn't me. That's not my fault. Do they not know that they're being defensive? It's all very, very confusing. It's someone who's watched a sport for what?

20 years? No, I have been alive that long. 25 years. Yes. 55. That's good. Good math, Sam. I'm only 27 for Christ's sake.

76 years. Brilliant. Good. I've been around. I've been watching. I was watching Berg's racing each other just to make up for the time in 1941. Go on Luigi, Luigi Faggnery.

Anyway, for me, this is actually a racing incident and I find it very hard to blame one driver of the other. I think maybe Lewis maybe could have the door slightly open, but again, I don't know. If I don't need to be more clear for me. I think it's bad ruling. I think they'd make several mistakes again over the weekend. Quick fire ones before we go on to Harry.

Norris and LeCleur was that the right decision and what would you do about the Ricardo crash of Magnuson? Norrisons was correct I think that was the Riccardo Crash and Magnuson I think Ricardo was at fault for the initial incident but Magnuson's got to hit them brakes we've seen it's just like that before you have to be still you cannot roll the car across the track backwards

I know he hit Ricardo he hit the person that committed the crime okay but you're a danger at that point and you're a sexual racing driver you've got to hit the brakes you've got to stop and let everyone go round you. It's rubbish. It's crap. You're not your fault that you're there, but you need to be safe and you hit the break. So it also took far too long to throw out a virtual safety car or safety car when Landon Norris was on the side of the track as well. Multiple issues across the whole weekend where both safety and decision making took too long or was incorrect in my opinion.

Harry, the Vestappen and Hamilton crash. Did you see it the same way as Sam? Did you see it the same way as the stewards or just a completely different other way? I think just give them penalties every time they get near each other on the track because those two are incapable of sharing the same piece of tarmac I've come to that conclusion

they can't do it I don't know what's the matter with them I'm with Sam on I think it was racing a racing incident but the FIA man the inconsistency here

This is going to be a really long-winded, roundabout way of making my point here. But really randomly, I watched the 99, yeah, settling folks, buckle up. I watched the 1994 season review the other day. Don't ask why. And what I noticed in that, there were a few examples,

one example of Rubens Barakello, Mika Hakenen, last lap of the race. They had a crash, took each other out. Both of them got race bands. race ban. And it was like Eddie Irvine got a race ban for causing a crash. And then what happened is they appeal the race ban. And when they appeal the race ban, they get more race bands.

So they go from a one race band to a three race ban. Now look, I'm not saying we need to go back to those days because that's ridiculous. So that's far too, far too much. My point is here, there was a consistency in the punishment. Didn't matter what happened. You got a race ban now that that's not. of race ban offence what happened today. But you've no idea what

are the rules on it anymore? What are the rules for a crash like that? Because honestly, me looking at it, I would have a place to play more on Hamilton and the Vestappen. I'll settle for a racing incident here. But and even, you know, people like Brundel and dare I say it, Crofty, which makes feel a bit ill to agree with him.

But even they put it as on Hamilton more than Vestappen. Then the Stewart's come out and say it's a five second penalty for Max Verstappen on that one. So it's just hard to know anymore what is right and what is wrong in these wheel-to-wheel battles. And how far alongside does a car need to be now?

Does it need to be fully along? I mean, like, we are wheel-to-wheel because Verstappen was at least two-thirds alongside Hamilton as they headed into turn two there. What is the rule? I don't even know anymore. What, A, what is the rule?

be, if they have a rule, apply it consistently, please. Not race bands, obviously, but just be a bit more consistent because I don't know. But anyway, I'll set up for a recent incident. Like I said, Twitter melted down

into 2021 mode and I hated it. So please stay away from each other again. I don't want it. Same two quickfire questions that Sam got, the Norris incident and the Magnus and Ricardo one. What did you make of both of those? Um, yeah, Norris won five seconds.

Lou, there was nothing malicious in that, because I think he bounced off the curb, but, you know, he absolutely yeated Charlerclair into the barrier. So that was fair. And Ricardo, yeah, there was some, there was some sort of, uh, self, self, justice there by Magnuson. But, but sounds right, you've got to hold on to the brakes. So do I leave them as, as they were? I don't know. I think I'll leave them as they are, but if there was going to be a penalty,

maybe Ricardo for a couple of grid spots. If Lanceroll gets three grid spots for trying to kill Fernando Alonso, then maybe Ricardo doesn't get anything there, but I'll leave the masses. Before Ben gives another very good point, I'm sure, I need to talk about Lankstrel. I'm sorry, the man should be banned.

He should get a race ban. That is another race where he's almost... Stop trying to kill people. Right? Stop. Stop it now. How have you not learnt your leg? lesson because your penalty wasn't severe enough last time. It's not okay. So, Sebastian Vetta was like, okay, I nearly died. And Lance Strull was like, maybe I didn't leave him enough room in the interview

afterwards. It's like, mate, it's not a joke. It's not a joke that you could have died. So stop doing it. Get him off the track for a race to have a, put him in a room and let him have a think because he goes, you need to learn a lesson. Sorry, Ben, carry on. That's all right. When that topic comes up on Wednesday, can you guess where Sam might lie on it? Um, I'll just cover off those two quick-fire ones. Yeah, the Norris one was slam dunk. Five seconds, of course it was. In terms of the other one with Magnuson from Ricardo,

on the Magnuson reversing back and hitting the brakes, I might have to watch this one again because I'm not quite sure where Magnuson ends up in terms of how left he was on the track because at least my initial view was, him reversing out was safer than, I know it ended He's in the middle of the track.

He's in the middle of the track. If he's on the left-hand side and he's reversing, and he's spiraling back in, then I think that's one thing. Is he safer stopping? I don't know. It's a tough one.

Because outside of Ricardo, everyone else wasn't going to be a factor for where Magnuson took his car, but I might need to look at that one again, to be honest. In terms of the Vestappan-Hamilton incident, I was initially on the same wavelength as you about racing incident and then I kind of took myself out of it because it's kind of,

does he deserve the room is almost the question here. And the answer is either yes or no, in which case I think it either has to be a penalty for one or the other because he either deserves it or he doesn't, right? I very much looked at this incident the same way as Monza last year. Now, I know the circumstances were very different and obviously both cars retired from that one. But actually, I think it was the same question that was asked

in terms of who deserves the penalty. And it was essentially, was Vestappen entitled to the room at that first corner in Monsa? The stewards decided no, and that's why Vestappen got the penalty. Here, they've almost done exactly the same thing. Does Vestappen, quite ambitious into the corner, deserve that room? Yes or no? The answer to that, in my view, is yes, in which case. I think the five second penalty was right, but just not for the right driver.

I think I would have given Hamilton the five second penalty for this. I think he was entitled to that room, quite honestly. Now, do I think it was overly ambitious from Vastappen? Yeah. Was it too ambitious for that point of the Grand Prix? Yeah, I think it probably was. But that still doesn't take away from the fact that I think he deserved that racing room and Hamilton should have given a little bit more of it.

Yeah, I saw this one differently. I saw this one sort of the same way that Brundle did. I didn't see this one the same way that the stewards did. But I also said the same thing about Monza last year. I said that I don't think Vestappen was at fault for Monsa last year. And he got the penalty there as well. But I agree with your overall point in terms of we need to determine when do you have the right to the corner. In my view, from what Vestappen did out there today, he did.

But regardless of whether he does or doesn't, just make it clear, if he doesn't deserve the room based on how far he long he was steward it like that from now on and make it very clear that's the case but the way I think racing should be I think he deserves the room he didn't get any and I would give them the penalty to Hamilton can I make a suggestion go on Harry go on sorry I was just going to say two very recent examples of where you in my view where you you deserve the corner or deserve the room or you don't Ricardo on Sonoda

he doesn't deserve any room because he literally just sent it and was barely alongside his real wheel this one, yes he did. Go Sam. The suggestion I was going to make, which maybe would help everyone, is I believe, and I'll be interesting here

both your thoughts, that the FIA should have, or the stewards room rather, should have a spokesperson that is willing to come on to the international commentary team and give a 60 second long description of why this penalty has happened. And that should happen for every penalty.

You know, it should be a, we see it in this way, this calls this thing, so it warrants this penalty. I don't have to argue about it, but at least give a reasoning, a vocal description of what's gone on, because we can at least understand, and then we can also compare in previous and future instincts if something is consistent. I do feel like hearing it from their mouths would be a lot more logical than I was just going, we don't know why it actually happened. To be fair to Michael Massey, and I feel like I'm going to regret saying this, he did used to do that. I feel like I think I've seen him doing bits of the skypad where he's explained a decision about whatever. Now, look, there were many other things wrong that he did.

But for that, you know, give him some credit. And that I agree with you, Sam. That would make more. Just like I say, 30 seconds, boom, this is why this has happened. Move on. I agree 1,000% and I won't make this answer long because I could talk about this for quite a long time ever wanted to but actually just overall in the sport that transparency is missing. We've discussed before in terms of the Formula E race director and how they are much clearer.

That's with the drivers to be fair, but again, it seems like there's this invisible like opateness when it comes to the FIA where there's just no visibility, there's no transparency whatsoever. in terms of their decision making. I think it's brilliant in other sports when referees are miced up. You see a lot in rugby, American football. You always get the referees after they make a decision, explain it to the crowd.

I just think officiating generally is 100 times better when there is transparency between the person at home, the people on the court, race track, field, whatever it is, and then the rule makers, so the ruling forces themselves. When the transparency between those three groups, groups is nailed on. That's when it's had its best, and we don't have that at the moment. That might be a good one for a future topic, to be honest with you,

but we'll leave that one for now. Brazilian Grand Prix review wrapped up. Sam, if you wouldn't mind getting us out of here. I didn't realize how long we've been talking for. Yeah, it's been a while. Waffle. Oh, laddie, yeah. All right, yeah, come on, let's go.

Yes, go. Right, anyway, thanks for listening. I hope you enjoy what was an action-packed weekend of racing. Big up K-Mag and big up the tall glass. of milk Georgie Russ for, you know, the debut wing. It's amazing to see that happening to someone, regardless of where they are in the sport or what team you support. That's a wonderful thing.

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