The Late Braking F1 Podcast - 2023 British GP Review

Episode Date: July 9, 2023

Norris holds off Hamilton leading to a 2 Brit podium at the British GP and Verstappen secures his 6th consecutive win! The LB boys discuss whether McLaren maximised their race, Ferrari's struggles, Pe...rez's recovery, and the Stroll v Gasly incident. As always they share their drivers of the day and hear your listener submissions for moment of the race.. Listen to Live.Laugh.Latifi.'s album Best of the Bin featuring all his brilliant jingles: https://open.spotify.com/album/4V257ocO5KTGMn2JgVlNcv?si=UYuyNKWmSSm7U3isq1nqRg FRESH FITNESS FOOD: https://www.freshfitnessfood.com SAVE££ with code LATE60 SUPPORT our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/latebraking   JOIN our Discord: https://discord.gg/dQJdu2SbAm   JOIN our F1 Fantasy League: https://fantasy.formula1.com/en/leagues/join/C3CCEW8P704   TWEET us @LateBrakingF1   BUY our merch: https://late-braking-f1-podcast.creator-spring.com/   EMAIL us at podcast@latebraking.co.uk   SUBSCRIBE to our podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:09 Thank you for listening to the late-breaking F-1 podcast. Make sure to check out new episodes every Wednesday and every Sunday. And a very warm welcome to the late-breaking F-1 podcast presented by Harry Ead, Sam Sage, and me, Ben Hocking. Reviewing today the British Grand Prix won by Max Verstappen. How quick until this joke gets old. It probably already is there. It's quite old. But Max Verstappen won the race.
Starting point is 00:01:55 But joined on the podium today by Lando Norris and second, McLaren's first podium at their home Grand Prix for 13 years. And Lewis Hamilton found his way onto the podium as well. Only is 14th podium at the British Grand Prix. Three different constructors on there. Sam, would you make of that one? I mean, it's great to see that McLaren really bounced back. Quite annoyed that Jamie Chagwick on her very first bowl producer,
Starting point is 00:02:18 Diction was one position away from getting it right. Yo, I've got to get it off the chest. If you haven't seen it, folks, go and check it out. We've got a video on YouTube. We can watch it in real or TikTok format. Oh, yeah. We're everywhere. On Twitter.
Starting point is 00:02:29 They're breaking F1. You know, getting that plugging soon. But, you know, absolutely fantastic to see that McLaren aren't just a kind of a one-stop tour of the top flight. They are, they're here to stay. And, you know, Piaastri, looking good. Lando, looking saucy. And it was, you know, good to see Hamilton and Norris in the like,
Starting point is 00:02:47 battling up for. well, you know, as close to up front as you can get when Vastappans around. But it was, it was enjoyable. What do you think? It certainly happened. It did happen, correct. We watched it. Live.
Starting point is 00:02:58 It certainly, we had a race. Yeah, it was right. You know, as a, as a Brit, you know, Brexit, Brexit bias and all that. Happy to see Lando up there, obviously, and then Hamilton as well. Brexit Grand Prix. Brexit, the Brexit Grand Prix, as it shall now be known. But yeah, it was a really suck. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:17 like really sucks. It actually, and it also like over promises on what, what a, right. No, no, dangerous.
Starting point is 00:03:25 Dangerous territory. Coming up on today's episode, we'll be discussing our moment of the race much later on. Stroll versus Gasly, that was an interesting battle that didn't end up particularly well for either drivers,
Starting point is 00:03:37 so we'll be discussing that. Sergio Perez and his recovery after not making Q3 again, but coming back to P6, Ferrari, having a fantastic day. But we'll start, with McLaren, Lando Norris in P2, and for a short time, or actually for more than a short time,
Starting point is 00:03:52 it looked like it might be a double McLaren podium, but ultimately the safety car not coming out at the right moment for Oscar Piastri, who finished still a very respectable P4. Sam, do you think they maximise this race today, given how quick that car looked? Oh, it's tough. They were definitely done dirty by the safety car. And I commented to Harry when the race ended, I did feel quite sorry for Oscar Piastri. because it was almost a little bit out of his hands at that point. You know, got a little bit unlucky with the pit time.
Starting point is 00:04:21 You can only go hang for a safety car as, you know, as long as possible. And, you know, they try to stick on top of the scratching. I said to Harry again, I said, there's every chance here that Piastri might actually undercut Lando because they were only two seconds apart when Pist stopped. And Pistri got that stopping, I think, four or five laps before Norris did. You know, it is a strategy. You mentioned before that you can stick out as long as possible and hope for a safety car.
Starting point is 00:04:45 The likes of Hamilton and Norris, I think, got a little. lucky at that point because it allowed them just very comfortably cruised into that pit lane. But with all of the carnage that ensued at the end of the race with how close everyone was going to be with how do you want to not hit the mic while I'm talking. Sorry by that. I go. Just give it a try.
Starting point is 00:05:01 I always did that subtly as well. Sorry by that. Yeah, it was close. Yeah, with all the car Onges that was going on with the fact that you've got, you know, Russell alongside Perez is coming through the field. Hamilton's got the soft ties on and McLaren's both on the hard tie, which is interesting. I kind of understand why Pagascar put that hard tire wrong. He was running the normal race strat, although when you see George Russell do 3,000
Starting point is 00:05:20 laps on the soft tire, I'm surprised that no one else fancy doing it. But then what surprised me the most was when they put Norris onto the hard tire and not the soft tire, I really do think that they would have been more comfortable in their second place had Norris being on the same tire as Hamilton. But you know what? I think considering all the variables that they went through, they can't be disappointing in this, especially how the season has gone. You know, they were their fighting for fringe points on a very good day before Austria. And now, if the race had gone smoothly, they have had two cars comfortably on that podium, I think.
Starting point is 00:05:54 So what a turn around, the saying is surely scratching their heads at how this car is arguably comfortably faster than them at the moment. And the fact that, you know, the Red Bull weren't able to really cruise too far away. It wasn't incredibly dominant, as we've seen. If I was Zach Brown, I'm walking away with a big old smile on my face
Starting point is 00:06:12 and I'm sure they're thinking we're going in the right direction. So, yeah, I think maximise, hard to tell with, you know, with hindsight seems a bit easier. I think they did absolutely everything they could. The one thing I would change is put Norris on the softs. Well, chat, the hard tire decision a little bit more in a moment's time. I have to say with the Piastri pit stop, obviously, before the safety car and Landon Norris still having to make that stop, the sadistic side of me was very interested to see how that was going to play out because I can't imagine Landon Norris would have been particularly happy if Piastri
Starting point is 00:06:45 strategy got him ahead of him and whether there would have been a position swap or not. Who knows, but obviously it didn't go that way. Harry, what did you make of their race? Do you think 18 points for Norris, 12, for Piastri was about as much as they could get here? Just about. I'd say they maximised Piastri's race because they couldn't do anything about that safety car and there was no point bringing him in again at like Ferrari with Lecler. So what, you know, there just wasn't much they could do.
Starting point is 00:07:14 It's a bit unlucky. Just unlucky. So they did as much as they could with Piastri. Norris, I guess in terms of position, yeah, they maximised. I think they, if they look back on it, they probably could have been, as Sam said, a bit more comfortable on P2. And in all honesty, I think if they put him on the softs, he would have been closer to Vestappen by the end,
Starting point is 00:07:33 because it wasn't even that bigger gap. Arguably, it was Norris's great defending that kept him where he is. Exactly. I think if it was Piastri, even, and that's kind of disrespect to him, I feel like Hamilton would possibly have found a way past in those opening labs. Yeah, so I totally agree. I think, I know a couple of people saying McLaren
Starting point is 00:07:52 have justified in their decision to go with hearts, but I don't, I don't. It was more Norris than the tyres. Definitely more Norris, yeah. So, yeah, in terms of positions, yes, maximised. I don't think Norris is off to go and try and fight for Stappen in the last bit of the race if he was on softs. But I do think he would have been, as Sam said,
Starting point is 00:08:11 much more comfortable in P2. but yet not a lot of difference in, I know off the, of the, right off the mark there was, but not a lot of difference in tyres this weekend. We're on the harder set, I guess maybe that helped. They were running that new hard tire, weren't they? The one that they brought back a year, because the teams had adapted so much.
Starting point is 00:08:31 The Pirelli had moved the 2024 hard tire to become the 2023 hard tire, which was a bit experimental. And then if you look at the compounds where we were at in terms of, you know, C5 down to C zero, the soft tire was what the C-20. was what the C3, so which makes it actually pretty robust.
Starting point is 00:08:49 Really love a soft tire that can do two-thirds of the race. Yeah, I mean, you could have done a skip there, couldn't you? You could have made it the C-4 and then had C-2 and C-1 as your options. That will make way more things. Well, just go C-5, C-4, C-3. Have some two stops. C-3-P-O. Have some, well, exactly.
Starting point is 00:09:07 Have some robots. R2D-D. Some droids him. Yep. Damn right. Yeah, I don't want to go from there. Yeah, I agree with you on those tyres, those C-1s. I'd love for someone to do a challenge, well, specifically Alex Almond to do a challenge.
Starting point is 00:09:23 How many laps could you do under, let's say, one minute 35 on those hard tires? I reckon it would be 300. Infinite. Yeah, honest, and such, you're right, it didn't seem as if there was much tire differential at all. In a lot of races, the soft tire is completely discarded of after qualifying, never seen again. whereas here it was a viable starting tire for George Russell and obviously a viable finishing tire for many of the others that pit at the safety car.
Starting point is 00:09:51 I think with the safety car and going back to McLaren specifically, yeah, it's racing 101, isn't it? It happens. And I think if you have a long career, as I think Piastri will and many of the other drivers that are on the grid will as well, you will sometimes benefit from those safety cars. Sometimes you won't.
Starting point is 00:10:09 That's one of the advantages of going longer, which is what Landon Norris and Vestappen and Albin and others did, you play into that strategy. Only sometimes will it work out for you, but, you know, Piaastri's only half a season into his F1 career. I'm sure if he's still around in five years' time, he will have also benefited where others won't have from safety cars.
Starting point is 00:10:29 So unlucky, but I think there will be other opportunities for him, and I think he probably got everything out of the race that he could. A lot of comments directed towards Lando Norris's great race, rightfully so. Piastri was there. He was right there the whole way. It never felt as if Lando Norris was in danger of heading off into the distance. I don't think it ever became more than a couple of seconds or so. So full respect to him for that. Lano Norris, yeah, I can understand his decision to go longer. Obviously, just happened did the same thing. McLaren overall, strategically, I can respect that they did something different with their two cars. Maybe if it
Starting point is 00:11:09 it worked out where they didn't feel like there was much pressure from P4. It could have worked where Vastappen came into the pits a few laps earlier than Lando Norris, and then the safety car happened. And suddenly, Vastappen's got to overtake Lando Norris again. Probably wouldn't have mattered, but at least they're trying things, which I can respect when you've got a two versus one situation that was afforded to them as a result of Perez not being in the mix. So I think McLaren pretty much got everything they could.
Starting point is 00:11:41 30 points from the race. They're now up ahead of Alpine. I still not quite sure what Alpine are smug about. Oh, La Plang going to Plang. Any race now, we're going to find out why. But at least for now, they've fallen another position to McLaren. But yeah, it just shows when you're in that midfield scrap like McLaren and Alpine and these other teams are.
Starting point is 00:12:05 if you get it right, even let's say this race is a complete one-off and McLaren are back to where they normally are. I don't think that's how it will happen, but let's say it does. This result could be the entire difference between them getting fifth, getting sixth, or even worse than that. So, yeah, well done to them. Yeah, I was actually quite surprised at how good the upgrades were. Can't lie. It was a bit of a mug. I kind of said that when Zach Brown was like, we'll be fighting at the front, I did semi- laugh in his face.
Starting point is 00:12:33 guess there's now egg online. I just, Mika Hakenen's got a prediction right for the first time in 10 years. He'll be coming out retirement now. Sorry, Sabatical. Any day now is going to announce. He's going to go, that's my seat next season. Yeah, it's quite amazing how those upgrades have worked. And maybe, as you say, Ben, it could be tracked specific. But then it worked pretty well in Austria.
Starting point is 00:12:56 So, you know, should work elsewhere. Let's say he's got to be scratching their goggings now, right? Albon was closer to them before the safe. car was, then they were to the McLaren's at one point. Like, you know, they are arguably on everyone's good day, possibly the third slowest Mercedes-powered car now. Ashton Martin have been equal, if not better, and McLaren now are better.
Starting point is 00:13:20 I think even just being second for them is going to be equally frustrating because it was Aston Martin, now as McLaren this race. A bit of leapfrogging going on. Yeah, I think overall, actually, Mercedes pace-wise, were not that far off McLaren. I think what cost them ultimately was qualifying because they were stuck behind the Ferraris
Starting point is 00:13:40 throughout that first thing. As soon as Shell LeCler went into the pits and George Russell had clean air, that gap to Piastri, Piastri back to Russell, didn't really move. It was five seconds with Russell on... Yeah, I think it dips into the fours at one point. Yeah, it was...
Starting point is 00:13:56 It went down to about four and a half at its lowest and then at five and a half of it's at its highest. So as soon as the traffic had cleared. I think Mercedes and McLaren were about even playing field. But that of itself is still a worry. Even if McLaren weren't that far ahead of Mercedes, the fact that it's a debate, as you say, that they've got two customer teams that are right there with them. Not great. Shows how draggy they are as well, the fact that when Hamilton is alongside Norris, got the better rung, is on the soft compound tire and McLaren, which was the slowest car known to
Starting point is 00:14:30 mankind. This battles me. How have they done this? Yeah, within two races. It was so slow in a straight line. It's now faster than Mercedes in a straight line. And it was pulling away without any slipstream on worse tires with a worse exit. I've got a theory. Go on. Corn then. Ferrari 2019 engine. Oh, here we go. There's nothing wrong with that. Ben. They were doing anything. Don't worry about actually, I haven't got a tin for a lap. Don't worry about it. For another week. Yeah, I agree with what you've both actually said on the hard tire as well. I was just going to come to that in that. I think with Piastri, it somewhat made sense if they do have more concerns about tireware,
Starting point is 00:15:06 but with Norris, with that many laps to go, get on the softs, lad, get on the softs. Yeah, I can understand why he questioned it. And I think, I agree with what you said, Harry. I think they are a little bit lucky, as in the McLaren the team, that Lando Norris didn't make them look a bit more foolish than perhaps they actually were. because I don't think that was a good call. I think Piaschrigus ends up being the unluckest guy on the grid at that point because I would have been so interested to see where he would have come out the pits in comparison to Norris
Starting point is 00:15:37 had they both pitted under normal green flag conditions. Because like you said, Ben, never let him go the whole race. He was there. And they had to radio, didn't they? He won't attack you. He won't try and pass you. What would you make a call of interest? I'm okay with it at this point.
Starting point is 00:15:53 They're not in a championship fight. They're not going to turn this whole season around. Their positions are comfortable. Norris is the natural team leader at the moment and what Piastri was achieving is still a great achievement for him he can look at that and go no shaming what he's doing so I have no
Starting point is 00:16:07 issue of them going we're in an amazing spot let's consolidate yeah and if they say they hadn't been that call and then Piastri attacks and takes each other out I mean yeah we'd all be all throws would be sat there going why the hell didn't they call luck make that cool I might have flipped the table in my own house
Starting point is 00:16:23 in your home not mine cheers Sam you're welcome anything for you I don't know what sort of conversation they would have had pre-race as well, but I think with both drivers, if they didn't, they should have done. Just outlined if we're in second and third after the first few laps. It doesn't matter what order that is in. Just stay. Just stay like that and work as a team because that's way too many points on the table to throw away.
Starting point is 00:16:49 You're absolutely right. I think Piastri also got the better start off the line. I think he just rang out of space to keep going. I'll tell you what. And this is completely inadvertent as well, but please stick with me on this point. Imagine something like, I'll change the circuit. I'll say a different circuit. Mexico, because I was going to say Spain, turn one.
Starting point is 00:17:07 Yeah. Imagine the run down to Mexico turn one. Piastri might lead. Yeah. Yeah. I think we'll be at least three wide comfortably. Yeah. But obviously not much room to work with at turn one at Silverstone.
Starting point is 00:17:22 Should we review our bold predictions? Why bother? Maybe not. Maybe not. Maybe we'll just save, come back next race. See, I know you've already alluded to Jamie Chadwick's bold prediction. I think she's probably a true late breaker because not getting it right, but nearly getting it right. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:40 A triple parter. Very late breaking. I mean, I guess you two were a pretty closest race. I was one position off. And then, let's start with seven and said, what was your bold prediction? So I said third place to eighth place in qualifying, we separated by two tents. and I got a little excited because I was desperately scanging the time sheet in Q3 and it was a tenth and a half between third and seventh.
Starting point is 00:18:05 And I'm thinking close lap here, Alboning Alonso are left. Alonso does literally nothing with his life going around that last Q3 appearance. It was a terrible lap. And then Albon is still going. I see the time lift up. He overtakes a longso. I'm thinking it's improved. We're getting close.
Starting point is 00:18:20 Three and a half tenths off. Go on up. I tried. Imagine, well, we'll get on to this a little bit later. If Perez was there, probably right. He's let everyone down, doesn't I think? Yeah. Oh, Harry, yours was a nail buyer as well.
Starting point is 00:18:37 Stappen not on the podium. Oh, you were close. Oh, yeah. So close. Good. Lovely win. Well, number's that. And my one, I went too bold.
Starting point is 00:18:48 I went too bold because I feel like I went down the right path. Like, Strull tried for you. Yeah. Lance I said Astor Martin would score zero points Your lack of
Starting point is 00:18:57 Fais of Fernando Alonso come on scored zero points but unfortunately Fernando Alonso who wasn't
Starting point is 00:19:03 very quick and I'm not going to put that on himself I think the car just wasn't very quick at one point
Starting point is 00:19:09 he was defending P9 he was defending from Gasley in P9 and I was like all right I forgot
Starting point is 00:19:21 Alonzo is Alonzo and he managed to scrape at an all right finished on that point with Alonzo and Gasly. I have a theory
Starting point is 00:19:27 that Alonzo was just doing that on purpose. Bantzer. Really winding Gassley up. Just toying with him. Gassley had a bad time with Ashton Martin today. Yeah, not great time. No, and I know we're going to get onto a problem so we won't discuss it now, but it was not fun for him. Ben, you might
Starting point is 00:19:43 have known this, but me and Harry found out something about Lank Stroll today that we didn't know. Go on. Lank Stroll's not his real name. Oh, yeah, I know that. Oh. To those listening, Lance Strollovich. I didn't know this. You are?
Starting point is 00:19:57 You bloody work with him. I should work, yeah, yeah. You don't know that. Yeah, I know. Everyone calls him Mr. Stroll. It's normal that I don't know because I'm a moron, but come on. Big Bossman, that makes what they call them. That makes way more sense.
Starting point is 00:20:11 Like when you go get a kebab? Like, wrong from marge. All right, boss man. All right, boss man. And have a dunger. You can tell me next that his first name, it isn't actually Papa. Yeah, that's true. Papa Stroll and Pappatojo.
Starting point is 00:20:23 Boss man. Oh, yeah. I'll have a strawberry marinda. Stop it. Chicken dunger and chips with boss man. Lawrence Strull working in a cab van. Sifling off rubber from his perellies. Normally when we go to a break, it's time for sandwiches, but today it's time for a chicken donner.
Starting point is 00:20:42 We'll be right back after this. Chicken dunger. Cheers, Homer. Okay, we've just discussed how well that race went for McLaren. Ferrari. Oh. Oh, no. They didn't have a great race.
Starting point is 00:21:19 They had a pretty good qualifying, but not a great race. Charles Leclair and Carlos Sines both seemed to struggle for pace throughout. Ultimately, Charles LeCler finished P9, and that was the best finish of the two Ferraris.
Starting point is 00:21:32 As Carlos Sines, not pitting under the safety car quite late on, dropped a few positions down to P10, which if you get your Abacus is out, that is three total points for the scoot. not very many is another way of saying that.
Starting point is 00:21:47 Sam, break it down. Break it down. Oh no. Like a rap. I'm not going to wrap. It was a bit like, you know, the classic rolling a snowball off a big hill and it's slowly gathering and gathering and gathering and gathering and getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
Starting point is 00:22:00 Because it's starting off. Okay. You know, the starts were both all right. They were fighting closely with the Mercedes. They were not falling too far back from McLaren, although it was very interesting to see that by the time Leclerpittick, who was the first to pit from the front runners, which I think was the first mistake, the gap was already about four and a half to five seconds.
Starting point is 00:22:19 So they really did slowly eke things out. Now, of course, no really knew how well the hard tire was going to perform. LeCleur goes onto the hard tire. It doesn't go well. You see on the lovely little graphic that AMS provide, you know, if Russell were to pick now, this would be the gap. This will be the gap. And that gap is getting smaller and smaller to a point where then Russell is now jumping Lecler.
Starting point is 00:22:41 So the hard tire, you know, not working. To this point, you know, Carlos Seitz's engineer, Ricky, pops up on the, the old mic.
Starting point is 00:22:51 Carlos, what are you thinking about Plan B? Carlos comes back. I don't know what Plan B is. Can you remind me? I'm going to have to take a look because I don't remember either,
Starting point is 00:22:58 apparently. Let me consult my sheet. Yeah, let me just look at my bit of paper and never comes back and tells us what Plan B might actually be anyway. We still don't know. Still don't know. Who knows?
Starting point is 00:23:06 Plan B is to someone that sings great songs from the UK. You think is Finnish P10. Yeah, That's a great song title. Thank you, Carlos. So that's not good. But then what baffled me at that point is,
Starting point is 00:23:19 Carlos Pitts, after seeing the Clare struggling on these hard tires, after watching George Russell do half the race on softs, you then still put him on the hard tire, which the sauce can clearly go to that full race, that full half-length race that you've just seen. Your car is lighter. You've seen that the hard tire is not giving you the proper speed
Starting point is 00:23:38 over longevity that you want. Split the strategy. Do something different. Okay. And then they get hit with bad luck because, again, you cannot predict a safety car. You can try and make your strategy work to it. But, you know, you've got up here eventually. And they both have pittings when the safety car emerges, which puts them further back at that point.
Starting point is 00:23:57 Because you got to remember, they were the car closest to McLaren before that all happened. And then they're not all of a sudden. But then the pace just disappears. I don't know if that's hard tire, how they're working with it. The car not doing well. Carlos Sight got overtaken by all of Great Britain over three corners at one point. it felt like. It was just a disastrous day
Starting point is 00:24:16 where they had no speed at the end of it. The strategy was wrong. The engineering isn't all they're talking about. The tie choices are bizarre. The safety car timing is awful. It could not really have gone worse
Starting point is 00:24:26 other than maybe a DNF for them. Pretty classic Ferrari today. Pretty rubbish. Have you got anything more to say other than pretty rubbish, Harry? Very rubbish. Very rubbish. That's good from you.
Starting point is 00:24:39 Not on the thanks. Nice expanding. Thank you. Yeah. It was not ideal for Ferrari. Thanks. They were slow, and then they didn't help themselves by being stupid at the same time. Slow and stupid is not a good combination.
Starting point is 00:24:53 Bad combo. Yeah, LeCler first pit stop. I guess they weren't less than really to know that the hard tires weren't going to work straight out of the box. But it did surprise me how early they did pit LeCler. I know he had Russell right on his gearbox, but Russell wasn't getting past him. Yeah. He was trying, but he was not going past. That position was yours, baby.
Starting point is 00:25:12 So, but yeah, I guess, but as you say, once they saw that the hard ties were not great. Bropy. He was only just going to come out of in front of Russell, but then Russell's going to have way fresher ties anyway. This is LeCler, sorry. So, yeah, why they then decided to put signs on hards, baffles me a little bit,
Starting point is 00:25:31 because you can see how long people are going in the race with mediums, softs with Russell. Then the safety care comes out. They pit LeCler again, which I understand, makes sense. Would it put them on soft rather than mediums. but whatever. Yeah. Just leave.
Starting point is 00:25:45 But then just leave signs out there. Just leave signs out there on old tires. Yeah. Why? Every choice you could have got wrong. You've got wrong. Why did they do that? I don't understand.
Starting point is 00:25:56 It's because Ricky lost the strategy plan. Still trying to find plan B. Yeah, so all and all, not a well executed race from Ferrari, given where they started. They both lost five places from where they started, which is bad. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:11 Albon scored the same amount of the point. points as they did, right? As Ferrari. Well, it's got more. Oh, we got more, yeah, sorry. Yeah, one point more. Albono is bigger than Ferrari. Well, I'd argue that's our influence.
Starting point is 00:26:22 Very much. So, I know, yeah, LeClau was catching the Albon. Catching the Albon. The Albon. Sorry. Catching Alonzo and the Albon. It's at the end of the race. But, yeah, I think I passed him. So, last year,
Starting point is 00:26:39 at least Ferrari were quick most of the time and were stupid. They could sometimes make up for their stupidity with quickness. I'll argue as well that Sikes got saved a little bit because of Lance Strollovich absolutely destroying Pierre Gazzley's car.
Starting point is 00:26:52 Yeah, also true. He was out of the points at one point. Yeah, because I think Gassley probably might have got past signs. We did at one point, yeah, briefly. So, yeah, so that combination of slow and stupid is,
Starting point is 00:27:04 it's not working well for them. You've summarised that perfectly. Fast and stupid isn't great, but it's better than slow and stupid, which is kind of what we've got right now. I don't know. I don't think anyone at Ferrari is aware of this, so I am going to say it.
Starting point is 00:27:20 I know I've made this point a couple of times. I feel like I'm going to have to keep making this point until someone at Ferrari listens, because either they don't know about it, or they do know about it, but they're too stupid to do anything about it. The softer the tire is, the better Ferrari are. Just every time they are quick at a race weekend,
Starting point is 00:27:39 it's because we've brought the C3, C4 and C5 tires. Every time they're not very quick when we come to a race weekend, it's like here at Silverstone, where it's C1, C2, C3. But if you are at one of those events where it might not go quite as well, lean into the softest tire compounds that they have rather than the opposite of that, which is what they did. I didn't mind too much the Charles LeClaire decision to pit because, yes, you're right, George Russell was definitely not getting past,
Starting point is 00:28:09 but based on a standard Grand Prix, you would expect that George Russell was not too far away from coming into the pits and would almost definitely have got an undercut on Shao LaClair. So I think they were just protecting against that. Okay, understand it. The only other driver that we'd seen on the hard tire was Holkenberg and that didn't last for more than a few laps and Valtrey Botas.
Starting point is 00:28:31 So you didn't really have much of a comparison point, right? So I can understand why they thought, oh, let's give it a go. we're too, we don't want to try and two stop. Let's just go on to the hard tire and make this work. It didn't work. And that's why, like you, Sam, I'm completely confused at the second strategic call,
Starting point is 00:28:50 which was to do almost the same thing with Carlos Sines. At that point, I can't remember the lap that Sines came into the pits. But George Russell has gone a long way on softs by that point. You know that they can last a long time. How about go with that? Use them. Go with that. Give it a try.
Starting point is 00:29:11 Why not? Ferrari, fool me once. Shame on you. Fool me twice. Shame on me. That is a shocker from Ferrari here to make the same mistake. Literally, minutes apart from each other.
Starting point is 00:29:23 Vintage Ferrari. This is what the big brake strap was invented for. It really was. And yeah, the decision under safety car, was there any other driver that was on the hard tire and didn't pit. Piestri. Pistria was the only one.
Starting point is 00:29:42 Pistria was the only one. And he made it work. I can't remember any others, right? I've got in the top ten, that's for sure. And I think it was established at that point that even though I still questionable decision about the hard tire, at that point,
Starting point is 00:29:58 McLaren were quite comfortably clear of Ferrari and Aster Martin, whereas Ferrari were very much in a dog fight with all the other teams around them where a tire definitely, deficit like they had could have been, and was, very costly. So, yeah, I think they probably should have
Starting point is 00:30:14 gone for it. And that's Carlos Seid's fault for putting it in the hands of Ferrari. He was like, ah, you know. He's been so good at that as well. Carlos, what you're playing at, man? Usually he calls the shots. This is probably a wider point for F1 teams. But when there's a safety car and there's the opportunity to change highs,
Starting point is 00:30:34 those that don't change ties, and this is more often than that, I say 95% of the time. That's big percent. One, I've just made out, the ones that stay out on their old tyres, they never end up doing well. Apart from Piastri.
Starting point is 00:30:47 Apart from, that's what I said 95%. He is the 5%. He's the 5%. But the most of the time, so I don't understand why there's ever like a, even like a question over it. Like maybe you could lose out to
Starting point is 00:30:57 to a couple of drivers, but if they're the ones staying out and you're on the softer rubber, you've probably... You've got that juicy, juicy rubber. 95% probably going to get past. Use it. Yeah, so I just don't quite understand why there's ever even a question mark over pitting or not if there's, if, if, if, if, it's just always the way it goes.
Starting point is 00:31:15 God damn right. There are some circumstances where it makes sense. But you're right. More often than not, it doesn't. Like if you are, let's say, driving a Williams, probably makes sense to stay out because no one get past you. Or if you're at Monaco, sure, no one can get past you. Silverstone, you can make overtakes happen and you're not driving a Williams. All part of the 5% I'd argue.
Starting point is 00:31:38 These little bits that you've just brought up. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I think your percentages are so accurate. Thank you so much. You should be a statetician. Okay.
Starting point is 00:31:46 A statetician. That's the work now. Or a statistician. Stack man. Statetician, man. Is it a statetician because you've taken all the S's in your own days? Yes. I had to put all the teasing instead.
Starting point is 00:31:58 Yeah. Right. Got it. Stastistition. For Tommy. Barry Stastastastistition. Oh, my God. Move on.
Starting point is 00:32:04 was that an attempt at Stevie Wonder? TV Wonder, yes. Very too, petitious. The TV Wonder get your driver of the day, Sam? Driver of the day, day, day, day, day. Oh, that's a good reminder. I'm so on it with these sort of things. It's because I was so,
Starting point is 00:32:26 give it 10 seconds. So engrossed in that, well, I just got to find the soundboard. I was so engrossed in making that good point. Right, here go, Liveline. Lafletifie. The verdict is in.
Starting point is 00:32:37 You're the driver of the days. You're the driver of the days. You're good at driving. And what should we do about Live Lafletefi after that great jingle? What should we do with him? Well, no, I know he got. It has to make me off. Yeah, folks.
Starting point is 00:32:56 I said I would do this the other day, but I forgot. Live Lafletifi, the legend, the man, the myth of the legend, has made an album of the jingles that he's made for us plus some a couple of extra little bits extra juicy bits so if you go on to Spotify and type in Live Lafletifie we'll put a link in the discrippy Link in the discreppy A favourite
Starting point is 00:33:18 Yeah why Go and check it out because it's it's got all the bangers on there As I say plus a plus a couple of extras Hars is a personal favourite Hasse is a personal favourite What's the one where you lay back on Gammon Juice Gammon juice
Starting point is 00:33:31 Gamine juice Sipping on Gammon juice Lead back. So good. Got my whirly on my mind and my mind and my whirlie. It's so good. Anyway, so they go live laugh to TV. Sorry for forgetting to do that last time.
Starting point is 00:33:42 But it's a legend. And the artworks fantastic. Legendary album. Yeah. Right. My driver of the day, day, day, day. I'm going to go with Landon Norris. And we joked about this.
Starting point is 00:33:53 And we were watching at the tone. The Max Verstappen didn't even get a percent on the national vote or the international vote of driver of the day, just by dominating at every point other than the race start. But he was. competitive. He got that brilliant start. He held off everyone behind him very comfortably. He kept for stabbing as honest as we've seen from another team
Starting point is 00:34:11 this season. He led that team really, really well. The only thing he probably could have done better was actually tell his race engineer how many laps he'd like to do at that pace. I'm comfy, mate. I'm comfy. Whatever you want. I'm comfy. But he was brilliant. It was great to see him fighting up the front there.
Starting point is 00:34:27 It's about time he got a shot regularly to hopefully fight for podium. So may this be the first of many. this season. Last week I thought it was a debate between Max Verstappen and Lando Norris. This week I think it's a debate between Lando Norris and Max Verstappen.
Starting point is 00:34:42 Literally no change. Yeah, I think those two were the best drivers out there today. I thought George Russell was pretty unlucky. I think he had a pretty good race if it weren't for the same year. But I'm going to give it to Lando Norris.
Starting point is 00:34:59 Nice. Two for two. Nice. You're going to make it? a triple. There's three. I'm waiting for it. Oh my God, there's three.
Starting point is 00:35:07 I am. I'm going to give it to Landon Norris. Mom, get the camera. Like, it's got a triple kill on model warfare. Oh, baby, there's three. The fact that this happened on the driver of the day vote on the actual TV doesn't even get a look in.
Starting point is 00:35:25 Just because he's so good. Like, people have just accepted that now. He's really good. It doesn't exist. He does not exist anymore. That's the rule. Do you remember when only he? he won that.
Starting point is 00:35:34 Like, when it first came in, and it was like Vastappan driver of the day every week. Didn't he get it once when he retired? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:41 Because it was a troll thing, wasn't it? It was like, finishes fourth. Yeah. Eighty nine percent of the vote. But yeah, I'm going to,
Starting point is 00:35:46 Vestappen was obviously supreme again today. Managed his race very well. Even when he gets bad starts, no, he doesn't freak out and chuck a dive bomb. He just, you know, sorts it out later on.
Starting point is 00:35:57 So it was very good. But Norris was supreme. Look, Piastri as well, a contender, yeah, a really, really solid job. And as you say, like Russell, was very unlucky with that. My wife. Safety car.
Starting point is 00:36:12 Like Russell, boss man. But yeah, I'm going to go for Norris. So the British bias continues on this podcast. Worst driver of the day, Sam. Oh, yeah, can you play the jingle, please? Oh, sorry. Get in the bin, bin, bin, bin, been, worst driver of the day.
Starting point is 00:36:30 Did we say that that's what the album's called, by the way? In the bin. In the bin. The album's called in the bin, sorry, best of the bin. Best of the bin. It's a great name. Beautiful name. Two contenders for me. It's going to come down to newly named Lance Strollovich,
Starting point is 00:36:51 who off the track, on the track, black or white flag, penalty for hitting someone, breaking their suspension, whatever it was, puncture, whatever it might have been. and Carlos Sites, who was just slow as balls and didn't understand his own strategy at any point. I'd argue tennis balls were faster than him at one point. Croquet balls. Correct.
Starting point is 00:37:12 That's more like it. Billyard. Don't say that again. Croway balls. Oh, God. A bit slower. I'm going to go with Mr. Stronovic himself. Yeah, just very slow in front to his teammate.
Starting point is 00:37:26 He was also struggling a little bit due to the car not working. You know, the fact that you picked up the penalties, you ruined someone else's race. You were never quick at any point. And you were the first, I think, to exceed track limits the most. So it just was not a good race from Lans. He's had some better ones this season. Fair to say, yes, it has. My worst driver of the day is Lans Stroll.
Starting point is 00:37:50 Consider not driving into anyone. Ah, in the book. Write that one down. I don't know. Just sit down, have a think. but I would honestly consider not doing that. Why are we going to release this book? I don't know, it's huge so far.
Starting point is 00:38:06 End of the season? Yeah. Yeah. So anthology at this point. The L-Book. Late Breaking's Guide to Driving. The L-Book. El-Bookerino.
Starting point is 00:38:16 Nice. Is it going to be another triple? I'll give us some variation. I think it's a fair shout for Stronovitch. Nick to freeze. He was rubbish again today, wasn't it? wasn't he last, I think, by the end? To be honest, I kind of forgot he was there.
Starting point is 00:38:32 Literally forgot about him. Yeah. I think he finished, only just behind Sengolia, though. I don't think the Alpheterra was great, but... Just very slow. Wasn't it supposed to be upgraded this weekend? That was it. Look at it go.
Starting point is 00:38:46 Look how high it can fly. Yeah. Just off the ground. Like me jumping after a full dinger, that was. You could argue it flies as high as a slug. I'll go for different of freeze, someone's got to for the sake of variation
Starting point is 00:39:01 good sorry Nick and the last of this trio Big Brain Strategy Award that sync is so good I think it could belong this is a bit you'll need to go your musical references
Starting point is 00:39:37 now but on the album of the Killers which has got um Jenny was a friend of mine on it and um hot fuss that's the one the one that came before Samstown
Starting point is 00:39:48 genuinely, that synch could be part of a killer's track. Yeah, I agree. Sorry, big brain. We're doing a moment at the race later. Big brain. I'm going to have to give it to old Fezor, the interaction of them not understanding what their own plan B is and then putting Carlos Sainz on the same strategy as Lecler that didn't work.
Starting point is 00:40:07 I'm sorry, it was hilariously atrocious. In all honesty, that's my answer. But to give something else, Lando Norris's nonchalance is, fantastic. Like, just no emotion absolutely at all. Like when he's giving how many, how many more lights? Lando, how many more lives? Don't know, mate.
Starting point is 00:40:27 I ain't got clear. Consistent in it. I'm comfy. It's fine. Yeah. Just tell them the laps, Lando. You just work it out, mate. Last lap, Lando.
Starting point is 00:40:36 Remember that? I do remember that. Crofty, another one from you, another zinger. Good old 2020. I'm kind of glad that's dead. Aren't we all? Along with Mr. Saturday. I'm gone, Harry.
Starting point is 00:40:48 Oh, God. For me, well, I don't think there's any other ones that I can really think of that were particularly bad, or at least bad, to the extent the Ferrari one was. So I'll... You said them not knowing what Plan B was, right? Yeah, and then putting signs on the hard.
Starting point is 00:41:06 I'll mix it up, or say Ferrari, they're not pitting signs of the safety car. Yeah. Times two for Fezor. All righty. Good job, Feather. Already then. You would have like a triple, but then decided to be nice.
Starting point is 00:41:17 Yeah. What a... surprise. We'll take a short break, give Ferrari a chance to have a think about how bad their day's been, and we'll be discussing Sergio Perez right after this. Sit on the stair and think about what you've done. Go on. You're a very naughty boy. What is becoming a bit of a regular occurrence, Sergio Perez, not even able to make Q2 on Saturday this time out. Starting the race, P-15 as a result of Valtrey Bottas's disqualification from qualifying, but actually finishing P-16.
Starting point is 00:42:08 in the classification on Saturday. Managed to recover back to P6. Made quite a few overtakes in the first half of the Grand Prix and then utilised the safety card to get up to P6 for eight points. Sam, what do you make of that result? Oh, man's is rubbish, isn't he? Please stop.
Starting point is 00:42:30 I'm not the boss man, actually. Honestly, it's not okay now. It's not good enough. It is genuinely past the point of, oh, he just needs it. Hold on, sorry, let me rephrase. Oh, he just needs a confidence booster. He'll be back next race. No, sorry.
Starting point is 00:42:47 I think the reputation has gone down the drain at the moment. It is atrocious. I saw a statistic that he is only being in Q3 now for 56% of Q3 possibilities, which is pretty atrocious. And on the weekend where his teammate picked up his fifth consecutive pole position, you know, that's five in a row, baby, if you don't what that means, and you were not in Q3 for the fifth consecutive time, it is atrocious. I know that qualifying has never, ever been your thing, but you're making your own life so much harder than it needs to be,
Starting point is 00:43:23 even if you got P8, fine, you can bring yourself up to a podium again. He was overtaking slowly throughout the race. It took him a long time. I think it was, what, lap 14 or 15? He was still only in P12. You only moved up three places. And then, you're going to, you're going to move up three places. and then it got to another, you know, five, six laps. He was just on the back of the pack that was in front of him. It took time. And he was aiding by the safety car. It worked in his favour.
Starting point is 00:43:46 He hadn't stopped yet. I don't think he was able to get the stock done, gone to the soft tyres. The strategy worked well for him in that car, that capability. I'm not saying that he could have been second place because I do think that that pack was a lot closer at the Silverstone Grand Prix. But I do think that he should have got past the likes of
Starting point is 00:44:05 did he get a longso in the end? He did. Right, well done. You got a longso. But I do think that maybe he should have been fighting through to P4, you know, attacking Piastri come the end of the race. It was still not good enough. I do think that other drivers could be doing a better job way more consistently than what Sergio Perez is doing. And it shouldn't be a conversation of has he fought back enough?
Starting point is 00:44:27 He shouldn't be that far back in the first place regardless. It really isn't a, oh yeah, but he's still finished, you know, fifth or sixth or seventh, whatever it might be, after starting 16th. It shouldn't be starting below 5th. That's how bad this is being for Sergei Perez. It genuinely is now out of the seat by end of season territory, I reckon. And I think as a bit of a teaser, that might well be a conversation we have on our next midweek episode,
Starting point is 00:44:54 thinking what we would do about the situation. Harry, what did you think of that comeback? Rubbish, if I'm being honest. Another rubbish. Very rubbish. The weekend as a whole, or the actual comeback on the Sunday. All of it.
Starting point is 00:45:08 Yeah. The whole thing. Put in the bin. The qualifying thing, yeah, fine. No, not fine, obviously. Opposite of fine. Slightly circumstantial, I guess, because of the weather. But if you still shouldn't be qualifying,
Starting point is 00:45:22 well, shouldn't be out in Q1 with that car. But if you can at least fight back, which he has done before, which that's, you know, end result is pretty much the same as it would have. potentially, then okay. But if you can't fight back to where that car should be, you got to sixth. And as you say, Sam, he had a safety car that worked exactly in his favour. So I think the worst bit for me was today rather than the qualifying itself,
Starting point is 00:45:50 because he didn't... People cheering for, I don't know. Perez is down for us. Perez, Brando. Yeah, no, Dan Ricardo fans outside. Yeah, if he can't even fight his way back to the front, I know you say P2 was out off the cards today and the pack was quite close in terms of pace
Starting point is 00:46:09 but that car's really good. It is really good. And he should be able to get it back up to the pointy end of the field. And he had DRS a lot of the time and that is where it works at the best. So just not great from Chaco today. As I say, I think today was the worst bit for me. We've seen him fight back before from bad qualifiers.
Starting point is 00:46:33 And as we said, has never been his strength. He should not be going out this often in Q1 and Q2, but... I mean, at this rate, he's the worst qualifier on the grid. Well, he's not too, yeah. Yeah. You know, it's not, it's not a strength. It is the worst performance across all 20 drivers at this point.
Starting point is 00:46:48 In comparison to where the car's performance should be to where he's actually putting it. Agree. So, sort of you're qualifying out, that will obviously help things. But if you're going to qualify badly, if you're insisting on doing that... If you really want to keep doing it... then at least be able to fight back because today was just, as I say, rubbish.
Starting point is 00:47:10 It's for me, confusing more than anything in terms of the qualifying form because the actual form discussion is kind of the same thing that happened last year. He was better at the sort of first part of the season, a lot more street circuits, and then as soon as we got into the bulk of the European season where it's more actual race tracks,
Starting point is 00:47:33 his pace dropped off. That's what we saw last year and that's what we're seeing again this year. But at least last year, when the car wasn't quite as quick, you know, it was certainly Ferrari were right there. There's no team that's right there this year.
Starting point is 00:47:46 The qualifying wasn't a problem. Or at least it wasn't enough of a problem that he's getting knocked out in Q1 and Q2. Yeah, Perez had a few rubbish sort of P7 starts last year, but at this point, it jumped all over a P7 star, wouldn't he, based on what's happening? and it's honestly confusing because we're not talking about a driver that's two years into his F1 career or or quite new into the Red Bull.
Starting point is 00:48:13 This is a guy who has been an F1 for over a decade and whilst qualifying has never been his strength, he's always been fine enough at qualifying. Like he's always been good enough, even if his actual advantage comes on Sunday. It's just utterly confusing as to how each and every week it's something. different. It's either Monaco, it's the Q1 crash, or here it's the weather. And you say it might be circumstantial. Everyone else dealt with it. It's the same circumstances as everyone else. And Vastappen's not getting knocked out in Q1. He's not getting knocked out in Q2. He's not finishing P2 overall. He's getting pole positions. So I completely agree with what you said, Sam, in that the comeback
Starting point is 00:48:56 itself doesn't really matter that much. The problem is the source. The source is S-O-U-R-C-E, not the Raw sauce. Saucce. Saucre. Saus, Saus. Saus. But it's the source is the qualifying, right?
Starting point is 00:49:13 That is what he needs to target because, yeah, he managed to make his way nine positions back up. But if you start P5, you don't need to make nine positions. And P5 is a pretty conservative target.
Starting point is 00:49:26 If Vestappan is getting pole positions and Perez is getting, let's say, average P5, I don't think we're sat here saying, that's great, but it's certainly a big step in the right direction that it's not happening for him right now. So in terms of race day,
Starting point is 00:49:41 in terms of what happened out there today, yeah, I think overall, I actually think the comeback was about what he should have done just because I don't think Vastappen had a massive advantage on the McLaren's. I think overall it looked to be about two-tenths, maybe three-tenths, that Vastappen was quicker per lap
Starting point is 00:49:59 versus the McLaren duo, in which case, given how many cars he had to overtake, I think maybe P2 and P3 might have been a step too far for him. So actually P6, I was okay enough with, but again, the point is he shouldn't even be there. He overtook most of the drivers outside the top 10 fairly quickly, I thought. And then as soon as he got past, I'm trying to remember who it was now, it might have been stroll.
Starting point is 00:50:25 He might have got past stroll. And then he got to like P10 or P11, and he just hit a bit of a brick wall of that. point and he couldn't gain on, I think, Alex Alburn for the rest. The war is named Alex. Always Alex. Yeah, so, I don't know. He just needs to qualify better, doesn't he?
Starting point is 00:50:44 I think he'd be great in your formulae. Oh, it might be where he's going soon. Bloody hell. Oh, geez. It's not that bad. It's a bit harsh on them. Joking, insulting everyone today. Anyway, yeah, we might well be discussing Perez's future a little bit more.
Starting point is 00:51:01 in future episodes, but we'll move on to Lanchstrol and Pierre Gasley. As has already been mentioned, Pierre Gasly didn't have a great time today with Aston Martin drivers, but if he thought he was having a bad time of Fernando Alonzo early on in the Grand Prix, he didn't know what was yet to come with Lanch Stroll. There were two separate incidents on this, so let's go through one at a time. The first one, this was where Lanchstrol overtaking Pierre Gassley around the outside of Stowe, but having to go off track in order to do so. Stewart's had a look at a look at look at it, decided that no, either no investigation was necessary or no penalty was necessary. I can't remember which one they said.
Starting point is 00:51:38 Harry, what did you make of that decision? I was okay with it, I think. Gatsley, I'm not okay with people overtaking each other off track, but Gassley also just didn't leave any room and strolls fully alongside him. So, I don't know, we're back to the classic lame track limits discussions. If there was gravel there, then they, you know, probably wouldn't have done it. But we don't have gravel anymore. We move.
Starting point is 00:52:09 We move. So I was okay, I think, with that not being investigated. I know Gadsley was a bit annoyed. But it's just like, well, if it was, he was, from what I remember, he was fully alongside Gasly when that move was happening, right? I believe so. Sam nods. Ben nods?
Starting point is 00:52:29 Yeah, I agree. Okay. Um, so, you never know with Ben, do you? A lot of approval. The way you said Ben there. God. You know what you get with me. You don't know what Ben.
Starting point is 00:52:41 Uh, yeah, so for me, I'm okay. I'm okay with that call. Um, yeah, as I say, Gassie would be happy with that. Well, it gets worse for him anyway, but, uh, I think, I think it was, it was the right call not to, not to investigate that one. Are you in agreement with the stewards, Sam? I, 100% agree with everything that happened on that racetrack.
Starting point is 00:53:07 That was so long. It felt like there was going to be a left turn. However, I'm leaving the show. No, Harry's absolutely bang on. I have every acceptance of being called out if you're overtaking off the track, right? If you've just, you know, you've just kept on going and you're footing it
Starting point is 00:53:27 and you're using more than the track limit, it's fine. but when you're alongside someone, you have every right to a car's width all of the time you leave of the space, as Lance Strull's teammate once, Sents, said, well done me, English is hard, and yet Pierre Gassley did not all of the time leave of the space, he shut the door,
Starting point is 00:53:44 and I think Stroll was perfectly entitled to the outside line going through Stowe. He didn't dig it. Where else was he going to go? Disappear, magic trick, is it? Is he just going to wave the little curtain and vanish? No, he's got to go somewhere. That's off the track.
Starting point is 00:53:59 and the defense that Pierre Gazzley gets for closing the door is losing the position. I think it was a very fair trade, and I think they sort it out quite fairly. Fair trade, I like that. Fair trade, you shut the door on me. I get your spot. Deal.
Starting point is 00:54:14 I don't have too much more to add because I agree with you both entirely here. It is 100% how I see this rule, and I was really worried on this that the stewards were going to disagree with me because, well, they'd do about everything else. So, yeah, I was happy to see their decision on this. I always think that if you aren't prepared to leave the room on the outside or any of the corner, when you're side by side and you have to use the track in order to get by, too bad, leaving the space.
Starting point is 00:54:44 If you don't leave in the space, stop whining. Now, if Pierre Gazley had left a full car's width and Stroll had still gone off track to make the move count, yes, that is 100% a penalty. But if Gassley's using the full extent of the track and Stroll is having to take evasive action in order to get it done. I have absolutely no sympathy for the driver that's lost the spot. Leave the space next time.
Starting point is 00:55:06 Leave the space. Enjoy your race. Nice. Get that on T-shirt. Well, Landstrol's come out of that one pretty well. Oh, dear, no. Let's have a look at the second one. So that was on the end of Pierre Gassley versus Landstrol, as they had contact
Starting point is 00:55:23 the corner after Stowe. They had the contact at Vale. What did you make of that one, Harry? Ah, well, Lance. This time, Pierre, he levered a space. He lived in a space. That's so good race. Enjoy your race when you leave it to space.
Starting point is 00:55:41 So, yeah, Gassley left the space this time. I don't know whether it was a car's width, but there was a good chunk of space. You got some curbs to run on? Yeah. So what you shouldn't do then is just like launch yourself over those curbs and run into him. Sausage.
Starting point is 00:55:56 Well, I was, for, avoidance of doubt and Strauss's fault on that one. Agree with the stewards again, which is rare, twice in one race, but agree with the extent of the penalty as well?
Starting point is 00:56:08 Nah. It didn't really end up mattering, but... Unfairly to ghastly. Maybe could have been a bit harsher. I don't know. Five seconds seems to be the norm for anything now.
Starting point is 00:56:20 Literally, that is the slap on the risk that you get these days. So, yeah, could be a bit harsh. Right over a child? Five seconds. Really? Yeah, that's the rules. No jail.
Starting point is 00:56:29 yeah, just don't run over the curb and knock out another fellow competitor. I was really surprised how easily that Alpine suspension broke. Wasn't a lot of contact. No, and we know the Aston Martin's meeting of eyeing about. Did it break? Because I thought he went back out after his pit stop. I don't think so, did it? I think he retired.
Starting point is 00:56:55 Or was he done? Wasn't good there, was it? Wasn't good. So, yeah. This one's on you, Lance. Don't just, fair enough when you're not given space, but when you are given space, then repay that favour by clattering into the car that's next year.
Starting point is 00:57:11 Yeah, got that one down. Yeah, I've already given Landstrel my advice for not crashing into drivers. I just thought it was, I don't know if you agree. It kind of got worse on every replay. Like the first replay was like, oh, that doesn't, that looks interesting. Let's have another. And then the second replay, go, oh, come on, Lance. And then the third was like, oh, no, really.
Starting point is 00:57:31 He's cannonballed into him there. Great. Yeah, it caps off what wasn't a very good day for Landstrol. I agree with the stewards. Five seconds is it the minimum of what he deserved there. Arguably, maybe he could have been 10 seconds. Obviously, he didn't score points. So it didn't really matter if it was 5 or 10.
Starting point is 00:57:53 But yeah, not ideal, is it? Not ideal. No ideal. Sam? 10 seconds for me. I think five. I think five was too lenient. He went off on his own accord.
Starting point is 00:58:09 The space was there. He could stay on the track. And then he is rejoined unsafely, straight into a competitor. And that for me is dangerous driving. I don't care about whether Gassie retires or not. We don't judge penalties based on the outcome of what happens. Not here.
Starting point is 00:58:26 And I think it's very different to a bit of wheel-to-wheel contact that we've seen a few times on the track, which we've all agreed is pretty much a five-second penalty. You know, going around the corner side by side, something hits or one of you runs off or, you know, one of you spings. I think he rejoined the track completely unsafely, and I think realistically it could have led to a bigger accident. We were quite lucky, actually.
Starting point is 00:58:45 Gassley wasn't, but generally quite lucky that one of the cars was able to just scamper off to the side, like a wounded animal, and drag itself back round to its little home, because it could have caused, if they both came together the wrong way, both cars in the track, there's cars coming quickly behind.
Starting point is 00:59:00 He's jumped off of a curb at full speed. It's just bad, really, really bad. So for me, this is dangerous. It's 10 seconds. I think, you know, his race already got ruined from the penalty regardless of what that time was. So I guess the desired effect was had. But for consistency, if we see this happen again,
Starting point is 00:59:19 I would want 10. All right. One last quick break. On the other side, we'll be discussing our moment of the race. Harry, kick us off. What was your moment of the race? Let I just say some really great team radio this race. Great team radio.
Starting point is 00:59:54 I want more of it. I am considering a George Russell team radio of the race segment. I think there's going to have to be. He needs it. He's knocking out of the park every race. I won't go through all of them. I mean, quickly Ricky, quickly. Quickly Ricky.
Starting point is 01:00:08 From Carlos Seins was glorious. Or Ricky. Ricky. That's a niche, precious reference. We've already talked about it, but not knowing what plan B is. A good one. But I will go for something that's actually not funny,
Starting point is 01:00:22 but just really good. Lando Norris, defending from Lewis Hamilton, was sublime. Oh, it was. It was delightful. Just where he placed his car on every opportunity. Fair, but aggressive. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:37 Got the job done. So, yeah. Sorry, I was just going to say how quickly he went to the left of the Wellington Strait as soon as like spawned. We both together
Starting point is 01:00:51 made some strange noises watching them because it was so close to pain and yet so far. So far, yeah. So I,
Starting point is 01:01:01 as I say, the defending on the Wellington Strait, I think his defending into Lupp, you know, because Hamilton was trying to line him up
Starting point is 01:01:07 for that like, oh, the old switcher-rewers, Crofty would say. Switchback of dreams. The under and over through Luffy
Starting point is 01:01:15 field but Landis sort of like put it out wide, part the bus a bit and Hamilton can get it so yeah that for me they were P2 because Landon nor is defended like an absolute G. Absolute champ a boss man I've got two that I was considering
Starting point is 01:01:32 you've already brought up team radio in which case I will just say Georgia Russell saying wouldn't be so sure about that mate oh George good away but actually my it's still concerns George Russell my moment of the race.
Starting point is 01:01:47 His move around the outside again of Luffield. Good Lord. I don't want to lean too much into British bias here. That was just really good. Bloody, lovely. Arthur Fulf.
Starting point is 01:01:59 Oh, cheerio, Governor. I'll see you later. That is gorgeous. I'm surprised he didn't say that. Yeah. Me and George are one and the same. What was your moment at the race, Sam? Again, concerns George Russell.
Starting point is 01:02:13 Can you get the bleep ready, please? Oh, God. Yep. Are you ready? Yeah. It's when we were stacking up under the safety car, and George, of course, is doing his diagnosis of the entire grid, and he sees that Lewis Hamilton is ahead of him.
Starting point is 01:02:25 And he goes, as Lewis Pitt, and Ray's aging here, he goes, yes. And he goes, ah, all right. That was well-timed. I was almost certain that the beat would follow, like, six seconds after you said it. So, well done. Loved it. Yeah, that was, we both enjoyed that. Very funny.
Starting point is 01:02:44 Just, that's the most British response to anything. Yeah. Anything bad? Like, ah, swear word. All right. All right, then. I'll get on with it. There's mind.
Starting point is 01:02:52 It's happened to battle on the next time. He was so on form. Yeah. He just is. And that move. That was my other one because I thought that was spectacular. What have our Discord submiters got to say? Right.
Starting point is 01:03:07 First up, Rye guy, who've not heard from from... Join the Patreon. Yeah. Hey guys, Guy. reporting to you live from Rye guy's closet for acoustic purposes and also we have company over. But anyways, my mom in the race is Lance Stroll pulling a Rye-like move and just barreling into Ghazly and telling him to put those sausages away, chap, here's a broken rear suspension. So anyways, that's definitely something I would do.
Starting point is 01:03:36 Love you guys do. Keep on, keeping on and keep breaking late. Love you, Rai guy. You went straight for his sausage. All right, Ben. Next up, Callie. What's going on, guys? Callie, come back at you. What an amazing race.
Starting point is 01:03:52 Holy cow. Another great race. It's Silverstone. Moment of the race. Big brain moment. Whatever you want to call it. That safety car with pitting Lando for hard. Man, that was crazy.
Starting point is 01:04:04 Got to give it out to Bungers. The CEO, yeah, of McLaren. I got to say, I'll take the C.S. I'll be your right-hand man, bongers, whenever you want it. But let's go. And then a huge shout out to Logan Sargent for getting so close to his first points. Let's go, guys.
Starting point is 01:04:24 Love the podcast. Do you think America might erupt when Logan Sargent scores his first points? Yes. I don't think they're ready for it. I think it will just hit them. This is going to sound really, really cruel. I don't think they'll care.
Starting point is 01:04:37 Oh. I like to think they think they won't care. It will happen. And all of a sudden, they'll just, you know, unleash. You just hear it from across the pond. Like crack a toe. Yeah. Like a thousand decibels.
Starting point is 01:04:50 I like to think Callie, his submissions are like if a cup of coffee did a submission. Yeah, pure caffeine injected. Pure caffeine. Ed stops I'm having another coffee. He's gone for the hot water. I've already had one today. How many? That's enough.
Starting point is 01:05:07 I did say if I have a second one, I'll lose me head. We've seen three. Right. Next up is James with no real dad. Hey, we bought James with my moir of the race. My mother of the race is at the end of the race. We're out of the offender against the clerk and almost also got the onzo. But still a good race for Williams.
Starting point is 01:05:30 Sargent is P-11. So he sadly didn't get points. But still, also, McLaren, very good ways for you. Oh well. Keep breaking late. And goodbye. Two things I love about James, even when Real Dad's got about. Always gives a great little recap.
Starting point is 01:05:48 Yep. And he talks as if the teams are listening directly to him, which I also love. Yep. They are. They are. Good. They should do. All friends of the podcast.
Starting point is 01:05:55 Yeah. Next up, the happiest man, I think. The CEO. Yeah, the CEO himself. Buggers. Hello, my late breaking last from across late Big Wet. It is your McLarence. C.
Starting point is 01:06:08 D. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I'm just going to say I'm proud of the boys. Pupy and Chrome today. And the moment of the race happens to be when Lando absolutely took the race lead at the start. And, you know, it's just a great day for the team. And I'm having a great day.
Starting point is 01:06:30 Yeah. I love how happy he is. Very happy. He's having a great day. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Next, Norm from Texas.
Starting point is 01:06:40 Hello, everyone. It's good to be back. Guess what? Here is Norm from Texas's two favorite moments of the race. My first moment is got to be the Carlos Sines coming with the energy of a confused mother trying to wrangle her kids in the backseat of a car and forgetting what Plan B was. And my second favorite was McLaren no longer driving a papaya tractor. Anyway, peace out.
Starting point is 01:07:08 Keep breaking late. In that it's not a tractor and it's not papaya. Chrome McLaren instead. Yeah. Well, Skyler. Lendo on the podium. They're not wrong. Oh, Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 01:07:23 We've got a time limit to get to. Come on, Skyler. Yeah, keep it snappy. Crack on. Sebelicious. Hello, governors. My moment of the race was when signs got jumped by everyone. It reminded me of stone cold jumping vincent man in the hospital.
Starting point is 01:07:41 And cheerie out. Cheerio, Seb. We met, We met, Stavolish, Sting. We did, who had to
Starting point is 01:07:49 wait outside for ages just to come to see us so we really appreciate that. Your mum had a lovely birthday. Yes. Mom malicious. Okay. All good, always.
Starting point is 01:08:00 Highly breaking, wow, what a race. I mean, moment after race, it was really hard to pick other than the fact that Lando finally got on the podium. It's so well deserved. What a lad.
Starting point is 01:08:10 It's been a long time coming. But I've had to pick. I guess another one would be Carlos's engineer over the radio where he asked him what he thought about playing B and Carlos just kind of replied, uh, I forgot, can you please remind me? Um, I don't know, I just thought that was really funny.
Starting point is 01:08:26 Anyway, love the podcast. Love you guys. Bye. You know what? Don't often hear Americans say a lad. What a lad. It feels like a really British thing to say. Have we started it? I think so, probably. What a lad. Lads, lads, lads. Sorry, America. Gonna be brave on this one. there's an extra one that's coming whilst we start recording.
Starting point is 01:08:45 Oh no. Yeah, it's only seven seconds. Unvetted. Here we go. LXM this is from. This is Lucy. First time submission. Moment of the race is Lando Norris saying, I'm happy.
Starting point is 01:08:57 Oh, Lucy, first time and we loved it. Knocked it out of the park. You have delivered. I am happy. I was tanks for a moment. It's out of the bar. Really seized up in there for a quick sec. It started off really quietly.
Starting point is 01:09:12 It was like it was. no speaking for a bit, which really made me be nervous, but we're fine. It was great. Good job, Lucy. Love me to have you. That's all of our moment of the race, right?
Starting point is 01:09:22 That's all of them in? That is, beef, a sleep or something. I don't know where she is. Let down beef. I just have to double check. We haven't got a random beef submission coming in, but all good. Thank you very much to everyone who did their submissions,
Starting point is 01:09:35 as per usual. We'll be back with more moment of the race for the next Grand Prix in two weeks' time. But in the meantime, we have got other episodes coming up. So we've got Wednesday, we've got a regular episode and next Sunday as well. Appreciate your stopping by and listening to us. Absolutely means the world to all three of us. Got a bit of a weird one.
Starting point is 01:09:53 We're recording tomorrow. So we're recording early in the week. But Sam, if you wouldn't mind getting us out of here. Yeah, hopefully something good happens and we can talk about that because that'll be fun. Anyway, yeah, I hope you enjoyed the race. Thanks for stopping by and listening. We really do appreciate all the support, of course. Share it with a friend.
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