The Late Braking F1 Podcast - 2023 Canadian GP Review

Episode Date: June 18, 2023

Ben, Sam and Harry review the Canadian GP! The boys disucss another win for Max Verstappen and whether the pack behind has closed the gap, give their moment of the race and chat through George Russell's accident and Ferrari's woes... >> If you have a spare 5 mins, we'd greatly appreciate your thoughts/feedback so we can ensure our content is tailored to what you enjoy. You can find the SURVEY to complete here: https://rb.gy/uym99 SUPPORT our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/latebraking JOIN our Discord: https://discord.gg/dQJdu2SbAm JOIN our F1 Fantasy League: https://fantasy.formula1.com/en/leagues/join/C3CCEW8P704 TWEET us @LBraking BUY our merch: https://late-braking-f1-podcast.creator-spring.com/ EMAIL us at [e-mail] SUBSCRIBE to our podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 Podcast. Make sure to check out new episodes every Wednesday and every Sunday. And a very warm welcome to the late breaking F1 podcast, presented by Harry Ead, Sam Sage, and me, Ben Hocking. Reviewing today the Canadian Grand Prix won by Max Verstappen. It was a full complement. of world champions on the podium with Max Vastappan taking the win,

Fernando Alonzo in the Aston Martin in second and Lewis Hamilton in third means Max Vastappan not far outside of 200 points in the championship now, but the fight for second does seem to be hotting up with less than a race win separating Perez-Alozzo and Hamilton.

Sam, shocking result. For what bit, Ben? The Vestappan win. I mean, I was watching it with Harry quite blown away at that one. What do you think, mate? You do seem shocked. Audibly.

Sam's had lots of cups of teas. My third guang in the last hour and a half. Does in. It doesn't really affect. I've been drinking the decafs or the calves. The calves. Oh my God. It's a lot of calves.

Criky. Sorry, so many cuffs out there. Yeah, honestly, was pretty surprised that Max Verstappen picked up the old winner-roo. I did predict it, though. So, I should have made up my bold prediction. We've got that one right. they're getting closer.

They are. Let's say that. They're getting a bit closer. As close as we are to the sun. Well, what are you saying that for, Harry? You've just answered the first question that we're alluding to on today's podcast. You're welcome. Keep breaking late.

And with speed running a podcast, we should definitely do that. After the news that we're dealing with 3T Sam, maybe it's a good idea. But we'll see how we get on. Coming up on today's episode, we'll be just. discussing Ferrari recovering back to P4 and P5, whether that was a good result for the team based on what happened in qualifying. George Russell goes away with no points from Canada after crashing from P4. Our discussions around that.

And a bit of talk around the midfield as well. But we'll start with the race out front. Max Verstappen taking the race win, although the number of seconds between him and the rest of the field, less than what it was in Spain. So, Sam, do you think that the rest of the... the rest of the teams, the likes of Astor Martin and Mercedes, are they catching up with Max Verstappen and Red Bull,

or was it a bit more track-specific? I don't think the catch-up is as big as a lot of people like to perceive it is. And I think even Max Verstappen wants someone to catch up to him. We were watching, obviously, the grid walk at the start, and Martin Brundel did catch up to him on the grid and he kind of said, oh, I do hope that someone challenges me soon. He's quite bored.

Man's laughing about nearly question. Yes. He's giggling. He's like, not myself, are there? Literally turned into Long Voldemort when he went over that curb. I'm nearly crashed. That is a Harry Potter reference today. That is a Harry Potter reference. He was like, that was a lot of banter.

You're the end of the whole race. That would be funny. Nothing would have changed if I didn't finish this one. GP's on the wall. She was a panic attack. Please stop. The Pee and GPs sound to panic. It's quite frustrating, actually,

because, you know, they brought these upgrades, both Astridemarting, Ferrari and Mercedes have brought serious upgrades to the cars. And the gap has barely changed if at all. It looked like, when Max Verstappen was bleating on about his tyres not feeling good. The Gaptollonsor was growing by three to four attempts every single lap. It just kept ticking up. So I think this was track specific.

I think the slower speed corners mixed with the high speed straits that Canada possessed suit Red Bull down to the ground. This is almost a perfect circuit when it comes to what a Red Bull car is designed for. And realistically, I actually think that they were running easy. I think Max Verstappen was looking after the car. I think he was driving carefully for the most part. He didn't go for that fastest slap, which he so regularly likes to try and snatch in the last couple of laps of the race. He wasn't...

GP would die. GP would die. Yeah. Again, the P stands for panic. He, you know, Maxwell Stafford off the goes. What's the fastest lap? Can I grab it? He wasn't looking after it.

And a long of the time, you know, talking about those tires and just cruising to the end. And, you know, at one point, they came, GP came with the radio and went, yeah, they are pushing behind. They are having a battle if you're interested, if that concerned you at all. Not bothered. He was so calm. in the car today that actually, I think he was just taking it easy on the car for a certain point. So I don't think the gaps particularly changed.

I think actually the tracks suited Red Bull more than we think. And I think if you're going to go, well, Sergio Perez didn't do very well, it's what Sergio Perez was rubbish. So that'll be why. Technical analysis. Okay. Okay. Well, I'm glad that was all right with you, Harry.

Yeah. So what are your thoughts on this, Harry? I mean, as Sam referenced, Sergio Perez did seem to be on pretty equal pace with the likes of Ferrari, Alonzo and Hamilton, but Verstappen still seemed quite clear. Do you think this was a bit Canada-specific that he couldn't win by 20 seconds or 25 seconds? What did you reckon? I don't know, because, yes, it sounds right in that Verstappen was probably managing for a fair bit of that. But then so was Alonzo as well. So they, I think Alonzo could have been closer by the end,

but then equally so Matt, so could Max, sorry, Max could have been quicker as well, which, you know, maybe the gap would just have stayed at that eight second, seven second, eight second mark. Anyway, I do think it was a bit closer. It's not enough, obviously, because this happened still one, but. You got pole position by 1.3 seconds. That's weather specific. But everyone else had the same weather he did.

I know, but that's a, but the thing is, this isn't a red, I'm not a Red Bull. That's not a Red Bull thing. That's a Max Verstappen thing. Well, everyone else could be more Max Verstappen. Sure. Problem solved. Three to Sam strikes again.

Formula Vastappen. So yeah, I do think the gap has closed a little bit, but, you know, it could fluctuate again by the time we get to Austria. But I do think it was, this was another Vastap. I don't think that car was, you look at them. in practice. They were nowhere, especially in FP1.

I mean, that doesn't matter come the race. My point being, I don't think the pace was, was, it wasn't a Red Bull. I don't think this was a favourable track for Red Bull.

I think it was a Vastappan being good at the F1. You think also the safety card maybe diminished a lot of the gap that he started to build up before. It's four or five seconds again. I mean, true. There's a part of that.

But it didn't, you know, that came, when did that come out? About 20 odds, 25? 18, yeah, some of that. So it would have been what? If there's a copy and pace, if you add the two gaps together, we're going to be about 13 to 14 seconds, I think. Anyway, that's still less than it's been.

True. So, yeah, I think Gap has first likely, I just think for Stappen was very good again today. He's all right at that, isn't he? He is all right. I think, I feel like today, maybe more so than other races, especially compared to Perez. I know he's saying Perez was rubbish,

but he has got the same car. Yeah, so Paris was rubbish. I know, I know. And that's, but my point being is that maybe that is where the car should be. Yeah. This race track and Verstappen was just being good. Well, that's a fair point. Yeah, if you put two Perez's in the car, do Red Bull finish that race?

I don't know, sixth and seventh. That's what, Max made that point himself in the post-quiry. He did. He said if I wasn't here, where Red Bull be, that's quite a very, you know, a strong statement to make about your teammate. He's not wrong, though. He's not point. He's factually true. I said this is Sam when we were watching.

That Max Verstappen wasn't here this year. Fernando Alonzo would have cleaned up. he'd be flying along. He'd be out there with the bleach scrubbing away. Yeah. I don't know. If Vastappan wasn't out, I think it'd be a fascinating fight

between three different drivers from three teams at the moment. No, but I'm not saying he'd be dominating, but if you, you know, he wins today, he wins Monaco. Yeah, I mean, it's not as simple as just taking Verstappan off and match your table either

because the points would change entirely on who gets rewarded what, right? Because I'll also pick up several more wings than what he has. So, yeah, I mean, it would be a very fascinating. thing. I think Max Verstappen is just too bloody good at what he does. Yeah, I think

from, it's all relative, isn't it? Because I think today, Red Bull and Max Verstappen, apart from Monaco probably, I think they were at their most vulnerable this season. And he still won so comfortably. We've had so many races this year. I think

this was probably the second best chance for another team outside of Monaco to actually go ahead and take this victory. And even so, So Max Vastappan's been leading races since Miami just hasn't stopped. What can you do about that? And to your point about Perez, Sam, I don't disagree with you.

And it's perhaps even more, if Vestappan was managing out front, Perez had no reason to manage. Perez had two Ferraris in front of him that were potentially getable. So if Perez is going full guns and Vestappan is managing, and Vestappen still have a second last, a lap quicker on average, that ain't great. At least if they're both managing to equal levels and that the gap is half a second, okay.

But if one car should be going for it a lot more than the other one is, that gap would, in theory, be even bigger if Fassappen was attacking. Yeah, so I think this was track-specific. I think Spain was utterly dominant. I think this was more dominant than I thought it was going to be. I don't think the gap is coming down. I don't actually think it is. I know that there was, was it 10 seconds, 12 seconds at the flat?

I can't remember what the exact gap was back to Alonzo at the end. But like I said, I thought it might be even less than that, just based on this track, not suiting the Red Bull as much as, say, Spain did. So I think Bustapun can be pretty happy. And at this point, I think we need, you know, F-123, you know, you have those podium emotes. those team radio messages that you can customize at the end. Where you go,

or yeah, we need the... I unlocked one the other day that said, I am so sore. Don't understand that. That's great. Why is that a thing? It's weird. Point being, they just need a Vastap one in there,

which is just like, good day at the office, Max. Yep. Yep. Just gets to come over. Do go do do do it again. Fish and Horner's one today was, was fairly like low key.

It was just like, yep, thank you for producing a great win for us. It was. It's like me at the office. Thanks for doing your job as intended. I don't know. You see the reactions to Nika Holcomberg claiming P2 provisionally and qualifying and Alex Albin getting points finishes for Williams. And it's such ecstasy.

And then you see Max Verstappen claiming another win. And yeah, job done. I also loved in the call-down room. Max was there talking to Lewis Hamilton. And he was like, oh you got quite a good last stint literally nowhere near Max were snapping in the entire race

it's like you look like you're having fun patronising little bugger literally like you're watching me on the screen were you that bored that you could just watch how good my stink was in the final run you must be happy with your P3 yeah oh you were clever boy

has 15 points for you Lewis well done honestly and then the fact that you know it's that simple and then you brought up the fact that you know Perez was running at the same pace Mercedes, Ferrari's Vastien, that is not good enough in that car.

That is so below par, that is so bad for that car. If you can produce a performance around a track that doesn't suit his vehicle, actually, Stephen, this is, and dominate by over 12, 15 seconds, it was a dominant performance. It never looked in doubt.

Sergio Perez needs to be doing more. He's got as bad a record as Pierre Gazley has in qualifying this season over the same pitch of races, over eight races. Not making Q3 four times. That's 50% at the time. He's not into Q3.

three, he's not fighting for pogroms down on a regular basis. And he was giving it all big in earlier this season. I'm in the title fight. I'm coming for you, Max, Westappen. Now you're not, son. Sit down. He was? I think, like, now I have.

Yeah, for talking minutes. He was in it. Perez's struggles relating to qualifying, I think might well be something we get into in one of our next couple of episodes because there's probably more to say on that one. But yeah, Sergio Perez now only nine points clear of Fernando Alonzo. And 24 points clear of Lewis. Hamilton. So he's far closer to the guys behind him than he is to Max Verstappen in front at this point.

Gap to Max Verstappen out front, 69 points. Way, that is nice. I know I shouldn't encourage three to Sam. What are you doing, man? What are you doing? Yeah, I know. I know. Anyway, let's have a look at driver of the day, shall we? Who've you got, Ari?

Al-Bono! Al-Burio! I mean, obviously, Max is pretty good again. Yeah, he was quite good. Alon also is pretty good as well, managed that issue. But Alex Albonne in that rocket ship in a straight line, but having said that, I know that was, that aided his, P7.

Hey, make the most of your car. Exactly. Run what you brung. Love that. Get out of a T-shirt. But he made those ties. Sam, Sam was adamant that Albon was going to pit. And I bet him 20.

I've lost truckie P. Oh, I'd have had some of that action as well. I'd really annoy it wasn't there. I've lost 20P. He was like... I mean, to be very, it was him and Russell. Russell obviously retired. But yeah, to do that stint on those hard tires,

I know they lasted longer than maybe people thought, but everyone else was too stopping. Alvin's like, nah, mate. Car can never be overtaken. Let's just stay out. Once you're behind me, you ain't getting in front of me. Yeah, so Alex album for me, very, very impressive. Maybe that is aided by the upgrades,

But, you know, as I said, run what you brung. Run what you brung on a Sunday night. J. Sam. Caffeine's really kicking in. You know, I'm also going to go for Alex Albon, but I'm going to extend it even further, not just to Alex Albin's performance, not just to the upgrades that Williams brought.

Can I just give it to the strategy team at Williams because they nailed it all weekend, qualifying, nailed it. Alex Album was fastest in Q2. And then here, like you say, everyone else is saying, we'll go for a second pit. Alex Albon, nope. And it worked.

Even if Alex Albin had lost the position to say Esteban Ockon and Valtreibottas or Landstrol, and he finished P9, say, that still would have been a better result probably than what he would have got if he'd pit at the same time as everyone else. So absolutely this goes on Alex Albin for a great performance. That's why I'm giving him driver of the day. But to extend it further than that, the strategy team at Williams, great effort from them.

Not just today, but also yesterday. Sam, your driver of the day. Al Bong, I deserves a massive shout out. I'm going to mix it up just for some variation. I want to give a little shout out as well to a big Valtry Bot. The Botas himself. It's good to see him turn up. He fought well, do he?

He did. He did do well, considering how fell back started. Try this to lose a point right at the line. And then Norris just slips it back into him. There you go, mate. Don't say that again. Have that one under the table. Oh my God.

I am going to give it to Max for Staffing. It was super, simply lovely from him, always under control. And Ben's favourite stat of the moment equalling Erting Sengner's race victory total. Hey, I don't really have much of an opinion on the stat. It's just I'm sure that it's going to lead to some really reasonable discourse. And that's why it's his favourite. No one is going to say anything ridiculous about this stat. You hear Crofti encouraging people to talk to my social media about it.

You please don't. Absolutely madman. Fair play to you, Crofty. I wouldn't want to be that. From the best to the worst. Worst driver of the day, Harry Ead. You don't play for jingles. Oh, yeah.

Sorry. Hang on. But 3T. Sam's on it. I'm wired. Worst driver of the day. Oh, my worst driver of the day. Rocket driving Rocket driving

That'll work for Worst driver in the day Worst driver of the day For me tricky Is it? Madstrol Wasn't amazing

You nearly got to your prediction I know but More on that in a moment Yes, my've been over there More on is correct Well I mean Considering a Lonsor's P2 It wasn't great from him

George Russell shouldn't crash your car stay away from the walls Nick to freeze shouldn't crash your car know to break for corners I'll go for George Russell because arguably there was P4 on a platter for him today

if not maybe P3 and he binned it so I'll go for Georgie Russ two contenders from me Harry's just said both of them George Russell, what are you doing? 12 points. You're never going to see those again.

And we'll discuss that crash a little bit later on. But I am going to give it to Nick DeVries. So the turmoil incident in itself was something. You need to leave a little bit of room for Kevin Magnuson. He was still there, mate. But came out of the way. Like, I'm still here. Hello?

I exist. Yeah. Yeah, Magnuson was definitely going to give that up. of all the drivers on the grid to give up a spot, Magnuson is definitely a guy. So there was the turn, well, I guess it's turned two, isn't it? Turn two incident between those guys.

But that wasn't it? Nick DeVries, completely locking up going into the next corner after that. And it was just, it wasn't a great scene, was it? The two cars just sat there, not really knowing what to do. You can't, as Martin Brundel and others have mentioned you,

you can't really just spin around there either. You've just got to awkwardly reverse. back onto the circuit and Nick DeVries ended up a lap behind. It didn't look like it was going to end in points which kind of only aids the point.

But yeah, Nick DeVries he was very good again. Sorry. Sam. Can I think of someone else that can make it a different answer because you two have... Peros?

Ah, I mean... Yeah. Sergio. 3T Sam really. wants to go in on Nick D'Friza. I'd really do. He was savage. We've recorded our reaction.

Oh, it was so horrible. He was savage. You've got video evidence and me ripping into Nick DeVries again. Oh, no. It was for long. I can't give it to Perez. While he was slow, he didn't crash the car,

nor did he crash anything else off the track. I'm actually going to say George Russell because he actually threw away something, whereas Nick DeVries was never going to score anything anyway. Nothing to throw away. No, I mean, how can you throw anything away when you have nothing in the first place. So George Russell, you've let yourself down.

You've let the Saly's down. And you've let whoever picked George Russell and teammate was down. Me. I'm lucky. Quite happy I swapped this year. Yeah. So am I. I didn't swap.

I got stuck. So it works. Okay. Big brain strategy. Bob, we're going to need you to box for wets. What? Sam, what have you got? Lots of options.

actually this race. There were some very funny and interesting moments. I think my favorite is the constant paranoia from Carlos Sites that he refused to stop because he knew that Ferrari will mess something up. You know, switch to Reg, switch to red. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm going to stay out. Cars already red, mate. Car's repeating it, Reg at the start of the season. Yeah, no thanks. Pass, hard pass. Do not want to come in. Stay away from me. And then that just kind of went on for quite a long time. And then when he did stop, it was fine and actually worked quite well. And they moving up the grid. I just think that they mistrust that the drivers have.

The clerk didn't even speak this race. Just didn't talk to anyone. I don't think he was there. I just think he went. I think it was Jacques Villeneuve. Oh, with his helmet. There's no way you think that was Jacques Vilnav because he, he raced quite well. Folks, when Martin Brundle did the grid walk and Jackville were bounding into the TV,

Harry literally went, oh, why? You're ruffed with disgust. Yeah, go for me, Carlos Sykes, absolutely despising his own pit wall is up there. It's a really good one. I'll go with a Ferrari one as well, somewhat related to Carlos Sines, which was Charles LeClau's radio message to him just every five laps or so to say,

Carlos isn't going to attack you. And it was relevant the first couple of times, but I'm pretty sure they said it at one point when he was about three seconds clear. It's like, he can attack if he wants. He isn't anywhere near me, is he? We had a runging theory that he was going to do it after the race. Physical, physical attack.

He's going to get out and attack you, Not from behind is what someone said at one point, so he'll just come at you from the front. I mean, Charleclair had nothing to worry about because he was ahead of Carlos signs and not behind him. Exactly. Good job, Ferrari. Is your turn, Aaron?

Oh, my God. My one is not, I mean, they're both very valid. Mine's not Ferrari-related. Mine goes to Alpine and Pierre Gasly. What is starting on, the softsaw lads? That's cool, that. It has not worked. Yeah.

All the predictions were for a medium hard, either one or two stop. A lot of people that did do two, apart from that one. Yeah. Alping would like, nah. Gas is starting near the back. We'll go for a soft. Yeah, it didn't work. Nah.

Well, they must have thought, we might as well try something different given we're so far back. But both Bottas and Stroll managed to. score points and they basically started where Gassley did. So if you just stuck with something a bit more normal,

you might have got something. They only score points thanks to Norris's unsportsman like behavior. Very naughty, boy. Oh, you're a very naughty boy.

Okay. Bold predictions. As you know, we've been on. Do we have to do this one this week? It's on the schedule. Therefore, we have to do it. Sam called it, boy.

I won't say what I said. So, Bob, we were on a bit of a streak recently. Harry has somehow managed to get two in a row. Could he get three in a row? No. Well, he said that an Aston Martin would be on the podium. Wee. Not that one, though.

Landstrol. Did manage to score a point, but not a podium. That's what I meant. You're very close. That's draw on the point. Master plan. Sam said that Yuki Sonoda would finish in the top eight. He promptly had probably his worst race at the season.

Yeah. I am like a walking curse. Yeah. I need to do something really rogue, like a backwards bold prediction. And despite Williams and Alex Albon making me very nervous in the later stages of that Grand Prix,

holding on with everything that he has, my bold prediction was that he'd finish in the top eight and he finished seventh. Cool. Anyway, so moving on to the next point of the podcast. What is that making now? Are you on four, Ben? I'm on four.

Harry, you're still safe at the moment, though. You're on too. That's safe. How did I lead? He has more teas than he has ball predictions, right, I'm afraid. Too fair. I'd rather have the tea. Fair.

It's tasty. I mean, I'm still next to you. I'd rather you didn't have the teas. My teas is fruit. Anyway. We'll take our first break. We'll be discussing Ferrari after this. We're only at our first break.

Yeah. Oh, sorry, everyone. So Ferrari didn't exactly have a great day in qualifying on Saturday. Charlotte Clare unable to make Q3. Carlos Sines was able to make Q3, but a three-place grid penalty meant that he might as well not have. Both of them starting just outside the top 10. But they did recover in the Grand Prix.

Charles Clare ending up P4 after a pretty good start and Carlos Sines ending up at P5. They went with a bit of a different strategy versus the rest of the field. They started on medium tyres, opted not to pit when everyone else did, when the safety car made an appearance, instead going a bit longer into the Grand Prix

before they went onto the hard tyres, ended up working for them, I think, to end up claiming 12 points and 10 points respectively. So, Sam, first of all, if we focus on the race itself, did they, based on their starting positions, get everything they could have out of the Grand Prix. I was quite surprised at the result of that strategy because, you know, if we're going to come out and be honest here,

we did mock them quite loudly when they didn't pit under the safety girl. Yeah, hard agree. We, I thought they should have always pit one of them. The words that Harry said was, Ferrari training, no stop strategy. I did it in that voice as well. Yeah. So we talked from the podcast.

That sounds exactly like Harry Lee. No, sorry, it was more like, oh, Ferrari train the new stop strategy. Also sound like that, yeah. How was that one worse? It was just West Country. My point being here, I'm a little bit flabbergasted, but they actually called it right. And despite Carlos Sites' best attempts

to never see the pit lane, it all went very well for them. The constant threats to Charles Clare that he might be attacked by Carlos Sites were, of course, worrying. But I think they managed to get pretty much everything out of this Grand Prix that they could have without the threat of

someone retiring in front of them. I don't think it could have gone any better for them. I think they could have gone any better for them. I think they made it work. They didn't burn out their tires. There were no silly business going on with terms of silly moves or dive into the pit laying. Or we even say, why aren't you splitting the strategy? I didn't need to.

I don't think it could have gone any better for them. And I think they would have just lost points. So on the Sunday, just for Sunday, they actually did a very good job. They made the most of it. Harry, do you think they got everything they could out of that one? Yeah, I think recovery-wise, yes. you know, they took, it probably would have been

fifth and sixth, wasn't it, if Russell hadn't creamed himself into the wall. Oh, God. What? Nothing wrong with that.

What's wrong with that? I think I'm not with a good creaming. Context? Right. That is, there's nothing. You can't do that, though. First context was fine. Second context,

not so fine. But I think, yeah, they would have been fifth and sixth, which I think that's just probably just where their car is. I mean, Ben, you, not to go in at you because you got your,

but, right, but you did say that Ferrari are going to be main challenges this weekend. I think they would have been. If what? If they had a dry quality, I think they weren't even very good in the race. He didn't get close to the same.

Yeah, okay, here's what I think would have happened. I think they would have qualified well, as they'd always do, and they just would have been really difficult to overtake. I think Bing's wrong. And I won't go let you have this one. Okay.

Oh, the rosas are coming. They've gone. It's not that bad a take. Yeah, so I think it was it was a good enough recovery for Ferrari But they were just sort of When they got to to fourth and fifth that was it I mean they were beating Perez But at the moment no

Not difficult But it was a it was a fine Recovering and I I do understand the call from Ferrari to signs To don't attack Leclair I don't understand why they said it so often. But like, every three laps.

It was, it was probably the, for, you know, getting some solid points on the board, it was probably the right way. And as you said earlier, Ben, he wasn't even that close to attack him anyway.

So they finished in the right order. It was some solid points for Ferrari, but it's, you know, I just think that's what, I know you think they'd be in P2, but I think that's where they were this weekend. Yeah,

it felt like as soon as they got into P4 and P5, it was kind of a stalemate from there, just everyone apart from Vastappen. Really, Alonzo Hamilton, the Ferraris, Paris didn't seem like there was much between all five of them in terms of pace. Vastappen was clear of them all. But yeah, I think they probably got everything out of the race they could have done realistically. I was surprised they didn't, well, I'm not surprised with anything when it comes to Ferrari, but if it were me, I think I probably would have started one of the two Ferraris on the hard tires, as a few of the other guys behind them did.

obviously they both went mediums. I thought that medium and hard split the strategies at the beginning would have been the better idea. I don't think it would have ended up mattering because we know that's the strategy Perez did and he kind of got to the same-ish spot that they did. So I don't think it would have mattered in the end. But yeah, I'm so proud of them for that call in the race. Well done. I wasn't lambasting them at the time.

I was a bit, I don't know about this one. I was on the fence because I just wasn't sure one way or the other. But just based on what we saw from the likes of Nika Holcomb... I know Hasse use up their tyres far quicker than everyone else. But the fact that Nika Holkenberg was struggling with his medium tyres after 15 laps and the fact that Ferrari nearly went 40, I don't know, I didn't know if that was going to happen when the safety car came out. So as soon as it did, I was like, well, if they fall off a cliff in the next five laps,

they've just ruined their race completely. But of course, they were able to go like 15 laps longer, overcut everyone else who pit under the safety car and it worked out well for them. So I think it was actually quite a bold call from them, actually. It wasn't the obvious strategy. And actually, it was probably the better strategy because we saw with the likes of Lecler,

he couldn't really overtake many cars in that sort of DRS train that they were all involved in. So if he'd have pit under the safety car, it'd probably just been out there doing exactly the same thing, just on hard tyres instead of medium tires. So the fact that they were able to gain the gap, overcut them all, was the right play. Well done Ferrari.

That's the positive. Saturday. What did you make of Ferrari's qualifying woes on Saturday, Sam? Firstly, in terms of Charler not being able to make Q3 and then also Carlos signs not being able to stay out the way of other cars. So, yeah, yeah. get out on the bloody way. So I'm not going to be all entirely brutal to just Ferrari,

because I do think some of the onus is on the drivers themselves for what happened on that Saturday. For example, Sherlock Claire obviously made the call, put me on the slick tires the same time the album on the slick tires. And that would have been, yeah, a great call. And Ferrari were stupid to listen to that. But at that point, LaCler is already outside of the top 10. He's in the drop zone.

Every other driver has managed to put in a good enough lap in the wet, on intermediates that have seen them go into the top ten. Hamilton was a bit sketchy. He was on that cutoff line, but you've got the likes of his teammate, Carlos Sites. You know,

Vastappan was in there, Aloncso was in there comfortably. You know, you've got drivers that should have been in that top rung that are also in there on those tyres that he had access to

and he was on. He should have been faster onto the intermediates. Moving away from Charlotte Clurs, probably slightly poor performance there. He's cool for the softs. And whilst he was poor on the inters, that would have been his saving grace.

that would have been the redemption moment. He would have gotten a good enough lap if they'd done it at the exact moment that he asked for that even if he was slower than Albon, no, Ferrari, slower than Williams this season, you know, on actual pace, it could happen. He would have been through. He would have been into Q3,

both himself and Carla Science would have been comfortably through to Q3. Great, you can then kind of reassess and go again. So absolute shocker, absolute, like, set it on fire, put it in the bin decision. It was that bad. from Ferrari.

And then with Carlos Sines, first we, mate, why are you just stopping in the middle of the road? Like, what you're doing there? It's not a car park. We're not driving around ASCA

looking for a space, you know, going in to get our whirly bars. You're on a racetrack. You're going really quick and there's lots of people going really quick around you. So get out of the way

or go faster. And pasta makes you go faster. So you should have plenty, mate, because you're all Italian. You're not, you know what I mean? You're Spanish. I get it. Sure.

But also on that, though, it's not just science's fault, as much as he could have got the car properly out of the way. And I'm amazingly only got one three place penalty because it felt like he should have had like 105 rid penalties for how many people he got in the way of. Also, for all he need to communicate better. They need to tell Carlos where the other cars are on the track. How close are they to him on the track? Where he should be slowing down on the track. It's a wet track.

There's a lot of spray. It's bad visibility. We saw Lewis Hamilton complaining that he couldn't see his mirrors. You know how dirty they were getting. The same thing could be true for Carlos Sikes. You need to have top-level communication, and it sounds like he wasn't getting any of it. It just became dangerous. He became a literal rolling roadblock that he could have caused.

I'm surprised there wasn't an accident, especially in that last corner going into the final chican where we saw, you know, Ghazzy have to take to the off-road, another car went around the outside of him. It was a real tragedy of poor communication and strategy put together. And Faroe will just, they plagued a real heavy part in their drivers failing to get anywhere up the grid. on that Saturday, but it wasn't just Ferrari. The drivers themselves were also not up to standard. All round Saturday was a shocker from Ferrari. Harry, what did you make of Saturday?

Wasn't ideal, was it? Good one. Not ideal. Not ideal. Yeah, I agree with all of the points Sam just made. And if you're right, Ben, the pace in Ferrari was enough to BP2, then there's their own bloody fault of them.

They were fourth and fifth because what were they doing on Saturday? And we saw, it reminded me of Brazil last year when we had similar issues with Lickler on inters and should he be on slicks.

There is, there is a serious problem. And Sam's mentioned already with communication. I think it's a widespread thing in that team. Both communicating where you driver is, where other drivers are,

on the track to your driver or what tires they should be on. Having said there, I do agree that LeCler should have done more because it's time did get through to Q3. And it goes, I know we'd like to, not mock, we enjoy George Russell's team radio, but his, it bent. It bent, mate. It bent, mate. But his, his forcefulness, shall we say, on trying to dictate what the strategy is,

I do think the clerk could learn a bit from that. It gets results. Like lap three or lap four that he was on team, George Russell, this is on team radio, strategy update please as soon as possible. Yeah. Just thinking about it. The guy is already like,

how is this working for me? How is this going to pan out? What the next 70 laps looking like? He knows where he's at. I get there's a lack of trust. Well, there might be a bit of a lack of trust between the Claire and the strategy. But what they're doing now is like,

half, half, half, have heartedly not making the right decision where someone should just be like, no, I want these tyres now. Put them on. Yeah, and they need to say before the race, someone, ex-person has final call, and then they take responsibility.

You know, give LeCler a final call until he makes them a muck-up of it and then maybe re-evaluate. Yeah. It's, um, yeah. Today was good. But only good because it was so bad. Exactly.

Today was, well, it should have been. But, yeah, Saturday was bad. As you know, I love, absolutely love ripping Ferrari to shreds when they mess up. It's one of my favorite pastimes. In fact, it is my favorite pastime. I don't think there's anything I enjoy more than it. And I've done it plenty of times over the years on this podcast. But shockingly, I'm not going to do it today because I don't think Ferrari are really to blame at

on this one. Whoa. I think this is 90%, 95% on the drivers. Let's go with Leclair, first of all. I think you're absolutely right. It was on Leclair to get the lap in on the intermediars. Now, he was absolutely right in what he said that he should have been on the slicks at the same time as Alex Almond, got that.

13 other drivers also weren't on those tires at that time. So he might well have been right, but he wasn't the only one who was wrong. Just bear in mind, you've already mentioned Brazil last year in terms of intermediate slicks and that whole discussion, right? We ridiculed Leclair and Ferrari at the time because he was the only one on that compound of tyre. Here, he wasn't. It was only Alex Albin who was trailblazed. Everyone else was pretty much on the same strategy as Charlerc was on. Carlos Seins put together a lap on the softs. He got it done. Charles Leclair didn't. They were on pretty. much the same run plan. The only difference was Carlos Sines was able to hook up one, not perfect

lap, but one good enough lap. And Charles LeCler had about two or three laps, which were very similar in terms of pace. But for whatever reason, he just couldn't put together the good sectors into one lap. And he was knocked out as a result. I don't think that's on the team at all. Yes, Charles LeCleur was right in terms of the strategy. But hey, Red Bull didn't do it. Asthma Martin didn't do it. Mercedes didn't do it. It's not like, for Ferrari were by themselves in that strategy plan. And the whole incident about Carlos Sines, and I think this is something we'll get into in a future episode

in terms of these types of impeding penalties, they're becoming quite frequent, and whether we think they're actually harsh enough and what we do about them to make sure they're not as frequent as they are becoming. But at least if we're talking about this one specifically, Ferrari told Carlos Sines twice you need to get on with it in that final sector.

He didn't listen to the team and he paid the price. Get on with it. Dordling. He was dawdling. The team radio was absolutely fine. They told him you need to get on with it. You can't be slow in the final sector. And he got punished for it.

And Gasly, yeah, I don't want to get too much into the whole debate about it, but Gazley's saying that he should be banned because he's coming at 300 kilometers now. It's seriously dangerous. Yuki Sonoda had to take evasive action. because Carlos Sines were still in front of him. So I think Sines is, I think Sines's penalty is 100% on him. I think Charles LeCler not making Q3 is 90% still on him. And actually the team, I'm going to say that they're okay on this one.

What's happened to Ben? I mean, to be fair, though, I was starting to debate this today. It feels like Ferrari are feeling ropy. It felt like, Scyt and Lerlnerner were they're saving grace. It felt like, you know, okay, Ferrari was struggling, but you knew the line-up was safe. What is going on in the team? It feels like Charlotte-Clau has had enough.

I know we kind of joke about Free LeCleur from Ferrari prison, but it does actually feel like he's kind of throwing in the towel a little bit. And Carlos Sites has just never really got up to standard to make the difference at the team. So if LeCleur bails, I don't know if Scyx has got what it takes to really lead Ferrari into this new era anyway. Together, at their best, they're a great lineup.

But I don't think they're committed to it anymore. Ferrari's woes go far further than just strategy at this point and I do think it includes the drivers. Think Australian Grand Prix. Both of them ruin their own race. The drivers, Charles LeClair in Miami. He bend it in Q3.

I'm not saying the team is blameless, long, long way from that. But if we're looking at the list of issues that Ferrari have at the moment, the driver lineups on there. I'm not saying it's the wrong driver line up, but they are making errors that other teams maybe aren't making as much.

Yeah, whilst Ferrari drivers are making areas, you've got drivers like Album, Holgerberg in the qualifying session, we just saw, you know, Haas are regularly up there at the moment, also is dominating. The Alpines are starting to trickling. Even McLaren are starting to step up there a little bit,

and Ferrari just seemed to continually fall by the waistline in terms of good, solid drives that you can be happy with. Fair play to them on the day, though. Parth of day. Yeah. They did, well, with Russell crashing, and with Stroll only scoring a point, they did still end up as the second best team on the Sunday,

points-wise. Maybe not in terms of pace, but yeah, two cars in the top five did help them out in that respect. They still got it. Speaking of George Russell, we'll be talking about him right after this. Okay, so we're going to talk Mercedes now. Lewis Hamilton claiming a second consecutive podium today,

which takes him over the 100-point margin, 102 points to his name now. But with no points today, George Russell still stuck on 65. So a bit of a gap emerging between the two Mercedes drivers this season. George Russell, in a pretty comfortable P4, pretty close to both Alonzo and Lewis Hamilton, but unfortunately crashing the car at turn 9 did end up making it back to the pits and being competitive for a while, but ended up in a retirement not too far from the end. Sam, George Russell, Lewis Hamilton.

George Russell at this point last season had a clear advantage points-wise. It's completely flipped this season. Are you at all worried based on the crash today and that points margin? Worried is too far a stretch, I think. But I do think that George is having almost like the second season slump that you seem to sometimes get. I think it also comes in a counteracted point that Lewis Hamilton is no longer the sole supplier of teams trying experimental setups and parts in a car that they had no idea if they were going to work or not.

And I do think that Mercedes-Hamilton style of car development, R&D, car setups. And once Lewis gets comfortable in a car, well, it's Lewis Hamilton, you know. Favitism. That's it, mate, his favouritism. Yeah. Mercedes love him. I mean, understandably, he's won a lot of races.

My point here being is once things start falling in Lewis Hamilton's direction, it's incredibly hard to stop them falling in Lewis Hamilton's direction. direction. He is quite literally like, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the Boulder in Indiana Jones that rolls down towards you. Imagine George Russell with his little legs trying to run away from that. His little, Lewis Hamilton, yeah. It's called Big Lakes.

Yeah. So, you know, my point here being is, I think the team last season had a bit of a wide spread on what they were backing and where they were going. I think they were lost. And I think Lewis Hamilton bore the, you know, the forefront of all of that. Whereas this time around, I think it's more shared on who has to deal with what. and I think development is going Hamilton's way. That being said, that car is obviously drivable.

George Russell is obviously capable. And you would like to think that in his second year at the team, and this isn't like he was a rookie last year either, he's being in the sport now for what five years. This is his fifth season. You'd realistically think that mistakes like this, which are, you know, mistakes that people like, you know, DeVries can do this, Stroll didn't do this.

I mean, yeah, but you see my point, right? my point is here, no one else just drove into the wall, not a single other person. George Russell is meant to be a safe pair of hands. He's meant to be, you know, the next step for Mercedes. It's meant to be the prodigy child that is going to come and lead the team after Hamilton steps away. This feels like he's just thrown away points. And that gap is becoming, Varsk is maybe too stretch of a word. Maybe we should get the Amazon distance measurer out that they're using in Canada to measure the Wall of Champions.

we're going with not so close. Not so close, 40 points or whatever it is. At the end of the day, this is quite a big gap for considering that they're not winning races and were only what, proper races into the season now. I would expect him to be closer, especially how well he did last season. I thought he would kick on. Disappointing, but not like, oh my God, George Russell is never going anywhere ever again. I just think he's a bit of a scruffy start of the season.

I think he'll pick it up. I would be surprised if the gap, you know, really extends far beyond this point. What do you think, Harry? Yeah, I'm not worried. Nah, nah. Yeah, you are. Well, I mean, I guess I say I'm worried for my team prediction, but, team at war prediction, but, you know, he was doomed from the start.

He was constantly worried about that. So, today was bad from George. Wasn't great. And there have been a couple of incidences this season now, mistakes from George Monaco, when I think the podium was on the cards, which he needs to iron out. But the reason I'm not worried is his paces is still he's there.

There are thereabouts with Lewis, but the difference being that Lewis ain't making them mistakes because he's a seven time workshop. So it's stopped doing that, George. Because otherwise the gap's going to get bigger. Stop crashing into walls. Going off the road. Open the book.

Yeah. It's on their paperwork. It's in there. It's in there. So, yeah, I'm not, not worried. It's, yeah, as Sam said, it's disappointing from George. And generally, I know he had the massive crash with the Bottas back in Imler. Generally, he's not a driver that really tends to crash his cars that often.

And the Joe going new one. And the Joe. And Silverstone. All right. was a big one, though. Is that a couple of big ones? I know, I know, but anyway, apart from those, he doesn't, in his career so far from 2019,

can't really think of that many times. George's been bidding it on his own. So today I think was, yeah, bad, but it's a rare one. So I'm not too worried. But yeah, stop doing that, George. Stop. Don't do that anymore. Yeah, I think pace-wise,

I think the same thing that I've fought since the start of last season, pace-wise, I don't think. there's anything in it between the Mercedes pair. I think Lewis Hamilton and George Russell have been on even pace since the beginning of last season. Now, at the beginning of last season, we know George Russell had the points advantage, to your point, Sam,

I think experimental setups in Lewis Hamilton's camp was probably a large reason because of that. And this season, again, I still think the pace is pretty much the same, but George Russell mistakes have been creeping in where they just haven't been for Lewis Hamilton. I think of the last three races, you've already mentioned Monaco.

Monaco definitely had the pace there, pace there. It was an error induced by himself that caused him not to finish on the podium. Spain, he had good pace. He had good pace around the circuit to Catalonia, but when you start outside the top 10, it's tough to

be on level, a level playing field with your teammates. So helps when you can't time one though. Yes. That's all right. He was quick. He was quick around Spain. So pace-wise, I don't think there was anything in it there.

And today, he was right behind Alonzo and Hamilton. He was right in that fight. It's not like he crashed when he was 10 seconds behind the duo. He was within a second of both of them. So, yeah, I think pace-wise, there's nothing to be concerned about. It's just ensuring that these, I'd say small issues. They're not small issues.

Bigger issues, but not all that frequent. Just need ironing out. And I think they will over time. And I agree with Sam in that I don't expect this points gap will. extend out much further than what it is right now. I think eventually I think some of these results are going to go Russell's way. I just think it's somewhat of a reverse of what happened last season.

Last season, it seemed as if more often than not, George Russell got better luck than Lewis Hamilton did. And I'm not saying this year is completely luck as to why Russell's behind Hamilton. But I think eventually when some of these issues become out, he'll end up claiming a few results. and he'll get back in the fight. So I'm not overly concerned. Long term, I'm not concerned.

Also, to be fair to George Russell, Fernando Alonso hit the wall at the exit of turn four. And if that was probably, what, a one second longer bit of contact, his race would have been over. It's a bit of luck of the drawl. That's just Fernando Alonso, mate. He's just playing with fire.

Yeah, he does. Ndubs. Living on the edge. An endubs reference. Dapie. Daffi. Daffi. Daffi.

Ging a chagalonson. aka end-ups. I really hope you enjoyed that one, Tulisa. I know you're a big fan of the podcast. This is so British. Tulisa. Oh, wow. I can go, you didn't...

Sorry, I was going to bring up an X-Fact the reference there, but I'm not going to go ahead. Go on. Go on. Do it. Do you remember what Gary Barlow once said to her? No, I think you should refresh our memories, Ben. I can't remember exactly what the quote was. That's the problem. but I remember what she was saying, though.

Did you say she had fag breath or something? Oh, yeah. It means cigarettes, folks. Yes. If you were unaware. Do you remember Ablisa? What? There's these two guys.

Don't you ship it. Two girls. One school to Abby. One school to Lisa. Oh, are they doing audition? I love X Factor auditions. The one that all tried to punch her. Yeah, that's, I think that's Ablisa.

Yeah. Anyway. me. This has gone on a tangent. We are moving on. Let's have a bit of a chat about the midfield, shall we? Because we like to give the midfield their roses. And Alex Albin, P7. We knew that upgrades were coming for Albin this weekend, but not for Sargent.

Seemed to work out all right for him. Six points. Put some closer to both Hasse and Alfa Romeo in the Constructors Championship. How impressive was Albin for you out there today, Sam? Oh, he was sensational. All weekend, absolutely sensational. I was blowing away by both. you know, both, it was not just the pit wall that decided the Q2 strategy to put him onto slicks.

Obviously, he's got to do it, he's got to execute it, he's got to make the call and be happy with it. And he bloody delivered. Like, what a performance that was through qualifying. And then in the race, again, they just nailed the strategy time after time. But it's all, you know, well a good gaining the strategy. But if you're not delivering with the pace and the ability on track, his ability to offend, lap after lap from the absolute wobbly rear wing that is, you know, Estabang Okong. you know, and it was a bit of a wobble, wobble, wobble, wobble, wobb.

Thanks, Greg Wallace. Thank you, Greg Wallace. Slightly terrifying, you know, Landon Norris trying to just send the dives. You've got Valtry Bottas, Lance trolls, hot on your heels. The pressure was absolutely on. And when, you know, Gorgon Ramsey's in the audience, you know, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, that man is leading it. Big point. I think that was one of his best drives that he's ever put in in a Formula One car.

I was absolutely blown away by how good. good he was this weekend. That Williams, despite having his upgrades and then, I think working, I still don't really think that that car should be finishing the seventh place. I do think that it probably should have falling down the order. And only because of his constant great exits on worst tires, was he able to really hang onto those positions. He really utilised the strengths of the car where they were needed.

So, you know, unreal from Albon this weekend. Yeah, he was great. Full stop. That's about it. Period. Again, I think the strategy really played into this, but yeah, he still had to execute and he still had to keep all the other cars at bay, which he was able to do. I just think overall Williams really understand their car in terms of what it's good at and what it's not good at. What it's good at is being very quick in a straight line. So when you are looking at different strategies to play, you play the strategies that are going to suit your car, which is what they did.

they realized that yes, all these other drivers can come in for their second pit stops, but it doesn't matter if they can't overtake us because we're so quick in a straight line. He didn't need the DRS to stay clear of these guys. So the fact that you've got driver and upgrades and strategy all working in unison with one another, it just that's how you need to play it when you're in the midfield. And they were rewarded as a result. We've spoken this year about there are going to be tracks where Williams are not going to score any points. Monaco was one of, we knew that going into Monaco, Williams didn't have a chance

at points. And there are going to be some circuits later in the year that that's probably going to be the same case again. Hungary, probably not going to score any points there as an example. But these tracks like Canada and like Monza coming up later in the year. They're winning Monza. They're winning. They will win Monza. They're having for Red Bull to not win a race this season. Monza, Alex Albin, guarantee it. No appendix. sight is this time, please, Alex. Yeah, please. That hurts. I don't have that once really, aren't you?

Good. Dr. Sam. Cheers, Sam. Yeah, it was great. Well done, Alex. Do you want to add to the congratulations, Harry? Yeah. Well done. Good. Let's move on. Cool. What about McLaren? They didn't score any points. They probably should have them. They had both cars in the points. Obviously, they both qualified in the top 10. They had both cars in the top 10 for the first half of the Grand Prix. Oscar Piastri ended up falling outside of that.

And Lando Norris did finish inside the top 10. But unsportsmanlike behavior meant that he did not finish in the top 10. Sam, what were your thoughts on McLaren as a whole? And I guess the Lando Norris penalty. Slow as balls. Oh, my. They're so slow in a straight line. They suck.

DRS, ERS. Pull out the slip street. Still can't get past. Literally falling backwards. I'm going slow. Lando Norris is planting moves from three miles away. He got it. He knows there's no chance.

It's like the brakes are my only hope. Honestly, the fact that Williams, you know, utilised that we're fasting a straight line strategy brilliantly. McLaren are quite literally the opposite. Please, plus no straights, plus only turns, because they suck at anything that is more than about 80 metres in a straight line. It's not good for them. And that didn't play into their strategies at all.

You know, the safety car backfied for them. Piascri, what happened to him? He was looking really positive for a little while and just continually got overtaken. Passed, left, right and centre. No severe damage. Nothing really wrong with the car. He just really fell by the wayside.

And then Landon Norris, you know, penalty for unsportsman-like behaviour. Now, while, whilst Ted did bring up a bit of an argument about it that you shouldn't give him a penalty because he's a nice guy. Nice boys don't get penalties. I don't care. He deserves the penalty because he didn't follow the rules. and that is why penalties are applied.

But I think they need to be more specific with their description of why he got the penalty. He got the penalty because he backed up the pack too much under safety card because they wanted to double stack, which strategically, yes, makes a lot of sense, but it is obviously against the rules to go that slow. My point being here, he deserved the penalty. He should have just got on with the fact they have to double stack, and he might be delayed by a second or so going into the pit lane. He's learnt his lesson, he's been punished for it, and he's paid the price.

And he's throwing away what I think was still a bit. I think he'd still have got points. At the end of that race, had he just double-stack normally behind Piastri. I think the one or two seconds he would have lost in that process wouldn't have made a difference around the Yocong-Albong battle that he was going through. I think he would have carved through quite comfortably as he did anyway. So, bit silly, throwing away to points, Piastri not really good enough at the back end of the race. It's just, it all just fell apart.

They had a really good Saturday. They really capitalised on the wet weather and the struggles of others. And it just disappeared. It shows that the car's natural pace is still not good enough to. really be getting regular, even fringe points every single weekend. Yeah, you're right. It did seem to be going well for Oscar Piastri early on in that he managed to make an overtake into turn two that was really clinical. It was a saucy overtake.

The Landon Norris couldn't do for quite a few laps and he was able to build a bit of an advantage. He and Ocon managed to get past but no one else could. He was able to build a bit of an advantage and I thought this is exactly what Piastri needs. needs and McLaren needs. I thought they were going to be slower than they were out there today because of all those straits, as you say, they're not very good at them. But they seem to have reasonable-ish pace even in spite of that. And the fact that they just weren't able to take advantage of it is so disappointing. With Piastri didn't work out. I know he dropped back a place and he tried to make an overtake into the last corner, had to go to the escape. But he managed to get the place back

anyway because Almond did the same thing. But that wasn't great. And Lando Norris, yeah, he deserved the penalty. They should have been more specific about it, sure, but that doesn't take away the fact that he deserved it. So, yeah, disappointing for them. They probably should have scored, probably should have scored three, four points between them,

ended up with nothing. And the reality is it probably not going to matter. What I can envision happening this season is Alpine are going to be too far clear for McLaren to catch, and McLaren are going to be too good for everyone. else below them, in which case these sorts of finishes might not end up mattering. But even so, you want to build up that insurance. Will him, mate.

They are. At Monza. At Monsa. A wing, and that'd be enough points to see them finish fifth. Yeah, disappointing is the correct word. I just felt like they were both scrapping away all race. And they've walked away with the square root of Jack. What's that?

Yeah. J. Sorry, Gax. So, yeah, disappointing for McClaren. I kind of felt a bit bad for them. But you're right, it's, to be honest, it's both down to the drivers. I think the strategy was right.

They kind of looked like they had the car. I mean, Lando's pace was still pretty good even towards the end. But yeah, Norris's bounty was fair. Them's the rules. Them's the brakes. And Piaastri, yeah, whilst he looked good, he did fall off towards the end and made that mistake by going off

you know, trying to make the overtake but cutting the chican which cost him. So, yeah, it was at this point of one for Macca because I think they probably should have been both in the points given where they started and the pace they had today. So much for that triple crown. They're working on it.

We're not getting back onto that again. Okay, we're going to take one last break for this episode. We'll be discussing our moments of the race right after this. We have, of course, got some Discord submissions for Moment of the Race, but before we get to those, we're each going to give our one. Harry, what have you got? There are quite a few here. But the one I'm going to go for, because I already know what sounds is.

Good. Is Fernando Alonso, he's made a lot of moments of my season. Moments of the season. But Fernando Alonzo absolutely trying to play the dramatic foul, you know, in the penalty box when Lewis Hamilton is released in front of it, well, it wasn't an unsafe release, obviously,

but him in the car like jiggling the steering wheels. He was going, whoa! Classic, classic Fernando. So there were quite a few from this race, but I know you two have got other ones, but I enjoyed that a lot. Also, DeFries and Maglinson, I'm trying to reverse.

So slow. Tragic. You can play that bit of music over it. They go, it goes like, But yeah, that one for me. A good one, Sam. Mine is literally the next step on from Harry's moment of the race. Step off!

Thank you, Jack Black. Where Fagando Alonso, of course, overreacts to Lewis Hamilton coming out very close to his car. Cut to Toto Wolf mocking Fagando Alonso. Ooh, I can move my steering wheel, honestly. Taking tips from a show by and you. Absolutely. It is sassy. It is taking the Mickey. I loved it. Also, brilliant job from the cameraman. To be like, cut Toto Wolf being a little bit of a poo bag.

Make sure they're standing behind him miserable. I hate my life. What have this become? So, yeah, for me, Toto Wolf actually picks up my moment of the race because I just thought it was hilarious. What I see more of that? I love that as well. Kevin Magnuson was hilarious. Probably the funniest bit from my side is Burglar Russell again,

just being like, oh, okay. Oh, you have both of these spots. And through goes Russell. Didn't get like the same reaction, did it? Crofty didn't really react the same way. Buying the Hamilton overtake on Wish. Yeah, yeah. You've got it on the, like I'm from a street market.

Yeah. Absolute par market purchase. Oh, nice reference. Yeah, it's the rip-off version. Sure, that will reference. reference will be understood by approximately three people. They're all on this call. My moment of the race, though, has to be Lando Norris in the last couple of laps,

desperately trying to make overtakes for absolutely no reason. There was absolutely zero chance that he was ever going to get in the points because of that five second penalty, but he was still making moves because he wanted to. Esteban Okon, going to try and go around the outside of you into the hairpin. Has it ever been done in the history of F1? probably not. Gonna give it a go anyway. And then obviously

into the last corner as well, he gave that a go. The movie planted on Piastri was disgustingly beautiful early on in the Grand Prix to get past there. And he had another one as well,

didn't he? In the turn, he did Holkenberg around the outside. Yeah. And we're doing visor cam. Yeah. It was awful.

I need to go bath. It was that dirty. Yeah, Chad. He was by himself trying to. to elevate the Grand Prix, and I loved it. He started breaking for the hairping. I mean, you sent it from New York.

Yeah, that's how far back he was. No one was breaking that lane to that hairpin. Just Norris all afternoon. But you could clearly make it work. Why wasn't he going to do it? Yeah, weird. Well, I thought you were going to say something else, Ben, but Honourable shout out,

and you've already mentioned it to George Russell's team radio once again. It's Ben, mate. It's Ben, Ben. Ben. I'll get on with it, though. It's okay. He was all right. Oh, I go.

Until he wasn't. Stuck at the back forever. That's what the three of us have to say. But what do our Discord submitters have to say, Harry Ead? Well, let me tell you, Ben. Hang on, let me just scroll to the top. Who's at first? Who is at first?

Right, up first. Thank you, everyone. There are a lot of these today. Up first. And we're not heard from this person for a while. Ryle. Nice. Roe.

Is Rai Guy. The White Honorable Rai guy. Hey, guys. It's Rai Guy. This is my mother race. My mother race is Esteban Alcon's wing, deciding to go, boom. Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle.

Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle. Love with you, the AZU, keep on, keep it on, keep breaking late, and join the Patreon. Love you guys, bye. Was that Snoop Dog? Love you, Rai Gai. Isn't that Jason Terillo? I think Snoop Dog features on the record. All right.

Just a little bit. Doing God's work as ever, Rai guy. Next up, Hazah. featuring Northern George. Right, boys, it's Return of the Norvoner. George, what was your moment of the race? It must be Magnuson and Sonoda, trying to reverse out of the runoff area

like me trying to reverse out of Azte car park. Cheers, boys. If you never reversed out of Asa Car Park, it can be a nightmare. Why is anyone reversing it out of the Azda near this guy? That's true. I'm only meant to reverse out of your space out of the whole car park.

Come on, Northern George. Cheers for that hazard. Well, sorry. Cheers about George. Next up is a first timey. Another first time. First timey. We love you.

This is from Deacon Lincoln. Hey, this is Deacon Lincoln. I'm a first time submitter. Recently started listening to the podcast. Love it. Recently started watching F1. Love it. Thanks.

Huge Fernando Alonzo fans. So my moment for the race was the overtake of Hamilton. It was just, it was a thing of beauty. All right, guys. Love it. Keep up the good work. Thanks, Deacon, Lincoln. We got us all that coming, didn't we?

We watched that overtake. We were like, whoa, he's gone for the move. Yeah, I'm sorry. I can't be having it. Did you even mention it? Loved little move that. Well, the good move down the inside of the... Tasty.

Hale of Champion. Another weekend. No one did it. No, was it? Well, Gassie, very close. Very close. 11 centimetre not a champion. Next up.

This stop. I'll get it right. Madelena. Well, thank. Hi guys, it's Madlena, a second time submitter. My moment of the race for the Canadian GP is definitely the graphic of telling us that GASley was 11 centimetres from the wall. I didn't think it was that boring of a race that we'd need to know that Gassley almost touched

the wall, but didn't. Yeah, I thought that was pretty hilarious. I love that graphic. I want that graphic for so many other things. Trying to lose that as the car park. Yeah. Thank you for that. Elena, if you keep doing submissions, which we obviously hope you do, please count, keep counting.

Yeah, please. This is my third submission. This is my 400 and some few third submission. 20 thirds time, here we go. Next up is Jiri Pavlanka. Again, sorry if we've said that. I've said that wrong. I guess I think, good.

Wow, we finally had a pretty good race. There's a few good moments such as Max hitting the bird or the final lap with O'Connor and Norris. I'm going to DeVries' online lobby-esque move. Voh had it where someone doesn't race perfectly clean and then you crash into them on the next corner as revenge also seeing them trying to get out of the escape road was pretty funny. I'll also say that Ted Kravitz was a bit of an arse today

because he kept saying just because Landa was a nice guy that he didn't deserve his penalty but he probably should have had two. What was the second one for? I don't know, being a naughty boy. Oh, that that ching hair that he's got going on is what he deserves a penalty for. Yeah, that's true.

Shocking. It's glorifiable. Next up is Kibbler and Bits with some lovely audio quality. So thank you, Kibbler and Bits. Enjoy this. Chris.

What's the plate breakers? It's Kibbler and Bits coming to you live on this fine American Father's Day. And my moment of the race was trying to explain to my dad, who has never seen a Formula One race in his life, the significance of the P2 battle between Hamilton and Alonzo, looking over and seeing him dead asleep on the couch. clearly he was riveted but I really enjoyed this race

so we're going to take it as a win I hope y'all are having a great Sunday and I love you all so much okay bye if you have a dad you are a dad or you can go of a dad you have no of a dad yeah good

oh that's from a gut me do you know a dad happy father's like to you You know a dad. To everyone. Then basically. All-thead. All-encompassing.

I've just realised as well what I've written down who we're playing. And I've already shortened Kibbunabbitz to Kibs. I don't know if you're happy with that. That's what happened. Another first time he, oh, sorry, another first time he accidentally sent two in. That's okay. We won't play the first one.

Two's better than done? Technically, it's double. It's not. Sorry. Save LeCler, 16. Hey, everyone. I'm here to Save LeClair from Ferrari Prison with my first ever submission for the Canadian GP. And my moment of the race has to be Ferrari pulling out an absolute miracle on the strategy.

I'll be honest, I had absolutely no faith in them. Anyway, bye, I love the podcast. Speaking of that, if anyone would like to see free LeCler merch, we are considering doing a limited edition run. I haven't run this past Ben yet, but probably going to happen. Yeah, I might make sense. something. All funds will go directly to the Save LeCler charity. You know those donkey sanctuary videos?

Can we do one for Save LeClerc? Yeah, I'll get back. Giving that one to you. No. Thank you, everyone. Are we done? Yeah. Hang on a minute.

Hang on a minute. Smells like. Can I just say as well, obviously, Beef gets lots of nicknames. Yeah. And she often does a poll now to decide which one should be, you know, this week's nickname. How Freddie Beef hasn't beaten Boom Boom Beef? I'm going to hear that. I was quite happy with Freddy Beef.

Freddie Beef was the best one and everyone voted for Boom Boom Beef. Anyway, speaking of beef, it sounds like beef. Stop doing that, awful. My son spicy. Hello, life update. My car is still in the garage.

So I don't know if it's costing me a lot of money. I hope not. Moment of the race was off. So Oona came around to watch with me and Miranda. So my moment of the race was Oona absolutely losing her mind when Lando was behind BOTUS,

couldn't get past BOTUS, then on like his second pit stop or whatever come back out behind BOTUS. So that was super fun. Pretty dull race. Where are we off next, lad? Is it Austria? Yes. Usually a banger, in it?

Okay, bye. You know when you're with friends and you all think that something's really, really funny, and then you explain it to people outside of your friendship group, and it's just not funny. That's everything we say. That's this podcast. Yeah, exactly. Beef's just stung at it. Interesting, start a podcast then.

How fun beef? Una beef. I vote this week, Una beef. Yeah, fair. That makes no sense. Not broke beef. I'm with you. Not broke beef mounting.

Right. No. Before we go, quick shout. I heard a few people on... Abyss. UK? No, Yuki. You know all of favour.

Quick shout. Get back in the hole. Sorry. That's so done. You heard a few people, what then? A few people on submission say that it was a good race. Beef there said it wasn't a very good race. Out of ten, Harry?

Seven and a half. Whoa. Sam? 6.5. Go in the middle. Seven. My standings are very hard to beat. Unless everything is on.

fire, I don't think Sam actually likes the F-1. I get at least seven cars to crash. Enjoy a rash. Also, where are the sprinklers? Should be... Oh no, we don't do it on this one. Never mind, carry on. What are you going to say? Keep it in.

I was going to say, should we shout out the Fantasy League? Because we haven't done that for a while, but this doesn't matter now. It's coming in the next episode. I think I've done it. I've done it. I've got it once, but I think I've done it every time. Yeah. And we'll get it in the midweek. Yeah.

No, Gassley and Holcomburgberg didn't do very well. Might not want to. Anyway. Let's get out of it, son. Yeah, thanks for listening, folks. Sorry to think a bit wet and wild, and you've got a mention of Talisa and then dubs in there. And a name.

I'm not sorry. I'm not sorry. And Gary Barlow. And Gary Barlow. And Garry Valo. Oh, so much just happened. It's flown by 3T Sam. He's having a great time with this.

Join the Discord. There is nearly two. thousand people in the Discord. We're about 100 people away from that, which is pretty amazing. That's growing so much. So, you know, if you want more chat,

more F1, more life talk, get in there. It's got Patreon. So if you want more content, we've recorded beer breaking for the month. Terrible as always. Yeah.

Not good. You know, good. That's the consensus. That's the top tier. So, you know, you're really getting your money's worth if you pay for that one.

And we do appreciate every single person that already does. There's also, you get two extra episodes that come out every single month. We've already done one of those. as well. That's out tomorrow, Monday.

Monday night. It's a good one as well. I thought me and Ben, parody didn't turn up. Me and Ben, had a good time. Can be asked. Exactly.

I can't remember anything about it, but I'm sure it was great. I got very angry at Haas again. Oh, yeah. We got, we really laid into Haas. Yeah, we got heated. A great, great segment of

late faking. Oh, yeah, me on my own. What I will say is Luigi de Fast man. And you'll have to, You'll have to join the Patreon to know what that's about. Patreon, you're in for a treat on that one. If you want to follow our social media,

it's at late breaking F1 across the board. There's three. TikTok, Instagram, Twitter. Yeah, that's the three we're talking about. What should we do with our Facebook? Who gives a crowd about Facebook? Who's on Facebook?

Well, we are. I'll talk about Facebook when I'm dead. Anyway, sugar's big week where we're back. Obviously, is it Austria next week? No, no. No, we just got up. We're at Glastonbury.

Oh yeah, we're doing a midweek and then me and Harry off to Glastonbury to party. But it'll be all three of us on both episodes. Yeah, don't worry. You're still getting a midweek and you're still getting a Sunday episode. And then we're going to be again back the week after for the Austria preview. So plenty of great content coming your way. June's looking like a lovely month. I hope you're on a great time.

In the meantime, I think Samuel Sage. I've been Ben Hocking. And I have been Harry Ead. And remember, keep breaking late. Might have another cup of tea. You're not the coffee. The caffeine crash is going to be awful. I'm going to go home.

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