The Late Braking F1 Podcast - 2023 Dutch GP Qualifying Review

Episode Date: August 26, 2023

Sam, Ben & Harry are here to review a drama-filled Dutch Grand Prix qualifying as Max Verstappen claimed pole position ahead of Lando Norris. The guys discuss Logan Sargeant's first Q3 appearance, Lewis Hamilton's shock Q2 elimination and a first F1 outing for rookie Liam Lawson. FOLLOW us on socials! You can find us on YouTube, Instagram, X (Twitter) and TikTok SUPPORT our Patreon for bonus episodes JOIN our Discord community JOIN our F1 Fantasy League BUY our Merch EMAIL us at [e-mail]   & SUBSCRIBE to our podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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See Golden Nuggett Casino.com for details. Please play responsibly. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to check out new episodes every Wednesday and every Sunday. Welcome to the Late Breaking F1 podcast presented by Harry Eid, Sam Sage and me, Ben Hocking, reviewing Dutch Grand Prix qualifying, where despite some trouble from McLaren in the first few sessions, it was Max Verstappen who took pole in Q3 as the track was drying out. Sixth, six today.

So it will be Vastappen going from. Lando Norris on the front row tomorrow. Sam, I tell you what, I think there's a future for this qualifying format. Oh, you know, every time we see it, which is only been a few times so far, it just slaps, isn't it? It just, you know, what's all this sprint business shing are you in this qualifying session every time just, oh, beautiful. That, Harry, it's good to see all one of these. I don't know. This is wild.

I mean, it's my, I think I'm going to average one in three qualifying sessions. That's what we're working on at the moment. Yeah. Working on that basis. But yeah, I just said to the boys before we start recording, if only qualifying was on Sunday, our Sunday reviews would be spicy, but huge. It's very true. And despite the fact that, again, Max Verstappen did seem to have a bit of a challenge in the first few sessions when there was rain afoot and intermediate tires were being used. He was able to claim pole position by a pretty comfortable margin.

And to be honest, if it weren't for Lando Norris, it would have been a very, very comfortable. margin, setting a blistering lap to the point where you thought that the timing screens might have been lying. What did you make of that, Sam, in front of his home crowd to be able to deliver poll position for the third year in a row, which is the same number of races. We've had at Zandvort since its return to the calendar. Yeah, absolutely stupendous. The something that really made me chuckle was, unlike the cluckle, was that on the Sky

commentary team, they were talking about how the last few pole positions are being so tight, I think less like a tenth both years that we've been here. And then they compared it to Sparer before the summer break where obviously for Stafford has such a dominant qualifying session where he was, you know, I think eight tenths clear or something like that. And both Karin Chandok and Crofti both came out and said, well, it's not going to be five, six cents today, is it? It's going to be much quieter.

So he's really having a struggling session. And boom. And I'm literally blindsided. There goes six cents. Just like, and the lap looked rapid. It looked incredible watching it from, you know, the helicopter footage. of him coming around that sweeping long right-hand with the track wet either side.

Genuinely, that is a driver in his peak power a car that matched him perfectly around crack that he clearly loves with that home fan cheering him on. Yeah, you know what big doctor Nigel always says, what the home fans give you? The cheers give you an extra half a tenth. So he's picked that in the bag and is taking it home, thank you very much.

It was a brilliant qualifying session for Max Verstappen. I thought he looked a little bit shaky over the first couple of sessions, but delivered Wengen. And that's what one of the great stars. What were you for, Sarie, on the poll app? And were you surprised that the McLaren duo couldn't feature a little bit more? I know Lando Norris, as soon as he finished that lap, described it as, and I quote, poo.

So, were you surprised there wasn't more of a challenge? Yeah, I was with Sam. I think this overall was probably Vastafin's shakiest, or at least one of his shakiest qualifying sessions of the year, up until the last two minutes, which, you know, I guess that's when it counts. It's an important two minutes. It is an important two minutes. So it's, I guess that's a compliment to him

that that is his shakier session when he gets polled by five-tenths. But it was a very impressive lap. I honestly thought, I honestly thought we could have had a, could have had a Norris poll here, just given how the Stappen's session had been going. And you're right, Sam,

when he was on that final lap, I think for me it was when he came out of that banking turn three, he looked on it. I was like, oh no, they've awoken the beast. He's coming. He's coming. So yeah, that was hugely impressive. And I'm, you know, I think if Lando hadn't had a,

quote, poo lap, I don't think he still would have got within, I still don't think he would have beaten for Stappen on that one. So brought out the bag when it counted. It was Monaco Q3. S. Q3, Sector 3-esque again today for Vastappen, and he pulled out the bag. So he's quite good, isn't he? Even in the instance of Monaco, he pulled it out the bag, but I can't remember what the margin was. He had to give it everything to just about have that pole position here. Half a 10,

sorry, half a second, around a 70 second lap. Pretty good. I, to be honest, I would say I was expecting McLaren to challenge, but as soon as Vastappen in his first few laps of Q1 was like, what, Earth is this car, it is spinning everywhere. I was like, well, that's guaranteed pole position by half a second in about an hour's time. And I'm not wrong on that. Yeah, I thought they would feature a little bit more in Q3, the McLaren duo. That is, you know, Lando Norris, I think realistically, you're, you're right, Harry, that I don't think he would have even had enough if it was a great lap. So actually, P2 was probably the optimal starting position. for him. I think Piastri will be disappointed in that he was there with Norris for pretty much

the entirety of Q1 and Q2. And the fact that he's missed out by a few attempts here is not just one position. It's cost him probably about four positions. So he's going to have a bit more of a struggle on to start, you know, was it P7? He ended up at the end. So he's going to, he's going to have to work a little bit harder to get towards the front. But yeah, I, you know, I, you know, The fact that we're talking about McLaren here as being potentially disappointed at starting second place, that's a pretty good point from where they were earlier in the year. So, yeah, fair place if it's happened, though, quality lap. Staying on Q3, switching gears to Williams.

So Alex Albin delivered a very good qualifying session. He'll start on the second row of the grid. And alongside him in Q3 was his teammate, Logan Sargent. So if we're going to focus on sergeant first, making his first Q3 appearance of the season, and then deciding that's enough good news for the day. Sam, what did you make of that overall? A session of very much big ups and big downs. Oh, the poor lad.

I was so excited for him. And then I'll discord. I would shout and screaming for him like, yes, he's done it. Logie boy. You're like Logie Bear. He is... Logan Potus, I think you called him. The president of the United States.

No longer a sergeant. And then he immediately got sanctioned and has now being, I don't know, removed from America, I imagine, because it went so well for him to go, Q3 and then that first bank collapse that he initially did, you know, all right, not right on Album's time, but we don't expect him to be. He's not, you know, there. But it was good. It was competitive. It was promising. And he looked like he was going to have a very good Saturday, which, you know, couldn't lead on to first points on a Sunday. and the fact that he took almost an unnecessary risk

is on a call-down lap after a really good lap the track is a little bit delicate, it's a bit moist, sorry for those who don't like the word, and there are parts of the track that you do need to be careful long and when you're just going to spin off like that when you're not driving a proper lap going for it,

it feels like a real waste, it feels like you took a real risk for no reward at all. So this really showed, there's some talent in there, the guy's really got it, but he also needs to learn some more judgment and more balancing of performance

because to throw it away that easily is a real shame and I'm really gutted that he's taken away what should have been his best Saturday in his career so far especially in Formula One and he's really showered it with poo to quote Landon Harris. Heavy on that already on this episode.

What did you make of Logan Sargent's overall qualifying effort, Harry? Look, aside from the end, I think it's probably one of his his best performance he's had this year maybe apart from Barrein which he was really good at apparently. I was quite impressed with Sergeant and then clearly he got to Q3 and was like

I don't know what I'm doing it. I've lost. I probably should be out of this and then then he crashed so I think that was a classic case just getting a bit over excited bit over ambitious with the great day he was having so it's a shame it's ended that way

but I would kind of forgive it. I think we say with these, with drivers, you'd rather they were quick and made mistakes because you can iron our mistakes. If they're slow, you can't do much about that. There's not much you can do.

So I'd rather he, not obviously saying he needs to be quick and crash all the time, but I'd rather we'd have it this way around where he could get in the Q3 rather than, you know, not being able to. So encouraging from that perspective is a shame would he have got much higher than he ended up by the end of that session? I mean, maybe.

I know album did really well, but if we're basing it on the fact that album's done really well this year, then Sargent's probably around that 8th, 9th, 10th mark anyway. So obviously not ideal that they have to go and fix his car overnight, but it's not the end of the world. So yeah, not a great end, but overall impressive session from Sargent and one that he, I think he needed a lot. Yeah, more encouraging than disc.

even with that crash. And I think the ironic thing is that Q3 could have gone any other way apart from him crashing and it would have been a hundred percent positive in terms of the day. Like he could have been the slowish driver in Q3. One run, slow. Second run, still slow. P10. Doesn't matter. Everyone's still talking about him in a positive manner. The only way that that goes pear shaped, even a little bit, is if he crashes the way that he did. So, Yeah, the fact that he made it to Q3 in the first instance is definitely a big encouraging step forward. He's still significantly slower than Alex Albin, which is something that he needs to work on. But, you know, if Alex Albin is fighting around the second row of the grid and Logan Sargent can make it into Q3, it's better than nothing. There are certainly many instances this season where we have seen drivers who have made it into Q3 and the upper ends of Q3. and their teammates have been unable to make it to Q3 as well. I mean, take an example, one of the best to ever do it did it today, Lewis Hamilton. He didn't make it to Q3 and his teammate was fighting up in terms of the top few rows.

So it's not uncommon for that to happen. He just needs to, yeah, he just needs to work on his overall pace. I think it was an overzealous moment and it was understandable given the track was still in its iffy stage between inters and dries. and he wasn't the only guy to make a mistake out there. We know Charleclair obviously crashed as well at a very similar time. So, yeah, I think it's a learning point, but overall, more encouraging than discouraging. Speaking of Lewis Hamilton, wasn't able to make it through to Q3, which was almost inevitable after Harry decided to be on the podium on Sunday.

I said he was going to win, mate. Well, yeah, said he's going to win. Yeah, go a step further than that. He's got some work to do in order to get there. knocked out in Q2, did a couple of fast laps, but burned his tires out for the final run, couldn't improve. What did you make of that, Sammy? They seemed to be pretty confident as a team Mercedes

earlier in the weekend that their race pace might not be that far off of the Red Bull. So is it going to be disappointing that he's going to have to make some overtakes to try and prove that? Lewis Hamilton, sometimes, we come to a race weekend. And I get like a weird vibe about Lewis Hamilton on a Saturday. and it happened today. I'll sit down to watch it. I thought, this is going to be good for Hamilton today.

I do not feel confident in the fact that he's going to go. You're the problem. You care, so I am. That's it. I'm the anti-Hamilton. I am, I'm not going any further with that. My point is,

I got a bad vibe and I can kind of, it sounds funny. I feel like I can track it. He was out of sinking a lot of rungs. He would muck up a run or become impeded and he'd have to kind of go again and he stayed on his ties for a long time. and it feels like

no rhythm yeah exactly that no rhythm no fluidity and the further Hamilton seems to get into his career because I do believe he's past his peak he seems to be lacking

a little bit of the authority to want to make a slightly risky call or a decision that you know maybe sets them apart Alex Alba went in and put fresh intermediate tyres and we knew the day was drying up

why didn't Hamilton go and do that I think a decade ago five years ago Hamilton were gone get me in new tyres let's go I understand what's going on, back out again. And it just felt like he was one set behind,

especially in that Q2 session that we were in. Now, I mean, out of all the drivers that I can imagine being down in Q2, maybe apart from Vestappen, I think Hamilton is the man that can turn it around and pull out a good solid performance. I'm not saying he's going to be top five coming at the race, but I do think he could get himself through the crowd in a comfortable, safe manner and recover something decent.

And this is only the second time all seeding. He's been out of Q2. he's had points in pretty much every single Grand Prix so far this year. He's done well and I think it's okay to have a Duff race and maybe that's what he's going for his is having a bit of a negative one. Then we heard him complaining that the car wasn't right,

the tyres weren't okay, the pressures didn't feel good. It clearly all came to him at once where he just wasn't okay. So disappointing but again with Hamilton this is a blip in what has been an incredibly consistent strong season in a car that seems to be very up and down the order

and difficult to predict where they sit amongst their competitors quite regularly at the moment. So, yeah, a shame for him, but I don't think overall he'll be particularly kicking himself. Yeah, I mean, Hamilton might want to strap himself in for tomorrow because it's going to be a long first in, I reckon. I think they might, they might send him out there for as long as they put the Alex Albin strat. I wouldn't be surprised if they deploy something similar to that tomorrow because it is difficult to get overtakes done on that circuit. We know it's possible. Certainly Perez a couple of years ago went from 20th for Pit Lane to be more accurate

to points. So it is possible to make a comeback here. But it's not easy. This isn't Monza. This isn't spa. Overtakes aren't plentiful at this circuit. So I'm interested to see how he gets on. I think in terms of the qualifying effort, I'm with you, Sam.

He never quite seemed that one with the track and with the car, which was different from where it was pretty upbeat on Friday. So I think he would have been. hoping actually that dry conditions would have prevailed just based on how at one he seemed with a car in practice. But yeah, obviously it's still disappointment. George Russell was able to get done what Lewis Hamilton couldn't. It's not, I don't think massively worrying.

You're right to say that there's only been one other Q2, yeah, one other incident where he wasn't able to make it out of Q2 earlier in the season. So I just think, yeah, he probably would have looked at Q3 and 4. or P2, I reckon I could have had that. Certainly if Landon Norris put together a good lap, maybe not. But seeing what Landon Norris half a second behind, he had backed himself to get within four temps, I reckon. P4, definitely.

For sure, yeah. I mean, he wouldn't, I don't think he would have been any lower than album. So, yeah, I think he'll view this one as a missed opportunity. What do you think, Harry? Yeah, absolutely. And I think tomorrow's going to be tough, but I wouldn't say it's not, it's not game over for Hamilton.

It's not like it's Monaco. You can overtake some more. I was with Sam on the weird vibe. The interview he did, I guess this is quite Sky Sports specific, but it's a little bit sassy with Rachel Brooks when she said, what car do you think you'll have tomorrow?

What kind of race? He's like, yeah, same one as I got now. I was like, whoa. Bloody hell, mate. I know, and I understand the frustration, but often he, I don't, he doesn't often look to the, to know to the opportunities immediately, which I can understand. But yeah, it wasn't off-five.

The one that surprised me the most was, why was he doing two push laps? Because we saw all through the session, there was a lot of push, you had to do a push lap, cool lap. Sometimes they're doing two cool laps and then another push lap just to get your tie attempts down, etc. So yeah, that time in there, whether that's driver or team, odd one, why they decided, or he decided to do a double push lap. because I think he had, did he have the time to do another cool down? I can't remember now, but yeah,

anyways, odd decision there. But yeah, tomorrow I think it's another day. We might have some more rain. He's pretty good in the rain. And obviously that car does have some inherent speed in it,

as we've seen with Russell up there in third. So yeah, I wouldn't roll him out to be back up at the top at some point. But like you say, Ben, it might be a long old, if it is dry, it might be a long old first stint for Hamilton. it might be 95% of the race.

He got impeding a lot, didn't he? Three times, I think. He got impeding over a qualifying session. Yeah, but he was like doing it back. I'm not really sure what was going on. Oh, I haven't seen any footage of doing it back. No. Well, they said something afterwards.

That was a Sonoda one maybe. But yeah, like the Alonzo one was a bit, it was all a bit messy out there, wasn't it? But yeah, he was on the receiving end quite a lot. You're right. Okay, let's take a short break on the other side. We're going to have a quick chat about Liam Lawson. and his first qualifying attempt.

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Daniel Ricardo not involved in the Dutch Grand Prix as a result of a bone breakage in his left hand. So Liam Lawson, Alpha Tauri reserve driver has stepped up, qualified, qualified last, which I don't think is the biggest shock in the world. That's okay. Break it to me easy, Ben. Break it to me easy. Okay, that's okay. Let me rephrase.

Liam Lawson qualified 20th. there. Good. What did you make of his effort, Sam? And realistically, can anything actually be expected more than this? Well, firstly, I want to comment on the wonder from down under that is Daniel Ricardo. And the fact that he's like, come on. Two races back. Summer break. You're thinking, here we go. My time to shine. And he's absolutely. I'll try one-handed, Doc. I'll try one-handed. Obviously. I bet he was trying it. Give me go on my feet. I'll do anything. Please. James, I want. back in his day.

I don't believe his luck. How often do you hear about a driver breaking their hand when they crash the car? And it wasn't, the crash itself wasn't the most, you know,

obstentatious, ridiculous moment we've ever seen either. It was very normal type of incident. So really gutting for him because it was great having the honey badger back. I mean to be like, yep, pack your baths, mate. We'll see you again.

Maybe in two months. And by that point, it's towards the end of the season. Twelve days, mate. They're reckoning. 12. You got me out of that. It's not superhuman.

Well, they've got Lance Rolls, Lance Rolls, Lance Rolls, Lance Stroll's wrists back in 12 days and he's having an alt from the same dock. So that's Lance Stroll's bakery-based cousin is Lance Roll. Lance Bunn. Anyway, I hope he comes back. Speaking of recovery, and that's no, obviously, downplay to Liam Lawson, but, you know, that was his seat, and I hope he gets his shot. Speaking of Liam Lawson, what a tough track to have to take.

up your first Formula One appearances and you don't really get a lot of time for practicing, adjusting and the mixed conditions and yeesh. And I think he handing himself pretty well. He was off the pace. He wasn't particularly rapid. But no one was going to criticize him too much. He had, what, in terms of time, about 45 minutes of driving today. So it's not a lot, is it?

So I think, you know, he held his own. He was respectful of all others on the track. He wasn't dangerous or ridiculously slow. Yuki Sunoda actually is surprisingly good qualified. I think considering where that Alpha Towery needs to sit, and I think that because of Lawson, it made him look even better than what it probably was. I imagine Ricardo probably would have been up there with him.

But, yeah, I'm exciting to see what he could do in the race. I hope he just keeps it calm, keeps it safe, you know, maybe picks off a couple of the slower cars at the back because that Alpha Tower could have a little bit more pace than what we're expecting it to do so. So, yeah, you know, because soon that he had no time at all, I'm relatively pleased with him. What did you make of that, Harry?

Sorry, not to make it about Daniel Ricardo again, but just one other point. He must look at Oscar Piastri now and be like, what have I done to you? First, you take my seat, then you crash and make me crash and break my hand. Leave me alone. But yeah, obviously best wishes to Danny Rick and hopefully see him back soon. Yeah, look, if you wanted to draw the worst possible scenario for you to make your F1 debut, Liam Lawson had it today. He achieved it, didn't he?

got it in one. It's such, I remember them talking about this in practice yesterday in commentary that the drivers would not want this track as their first race of the season because you've got to be like

on it and if you're a bit rusty which, you know, Liam Lawson's been racing in super formula but it's not been an F1. It's just a hard track to get into the groove. So he's only been given an hour this morning to do that.

Oh, and by the way, it keeps raining and drying up and they're raining. Awful condition. So I think, I think given the context where he qualified and the time difference to the relative to the rest of the field, actually quite impressive the fact that he was, if he'd been further seconds away, I wouldn't have been surprised, to be honest, just given the disruption he had in FP3 this morning as well. So pretty impressive effort. Like you say, Sam, tomorrow just get some, get some laps under your belt, son. And then he's going to be there for Mon. because Danny Rick not going to be there for that.

So come back and do it properly next weekend in Italy. So yeah, pretty impressed, I think overall with Lawson today. Do you remember Carlos Sines' crash

with Fernando Alonzo at the Australian Grand Prix? And Ferrari tried to appeal it on the grounds of mitigating circumstances, which was the sun. Ferrari, this is mitigating circumstances,

not that. This is mitigating circumstances because you're right. Awful weather, really difficult track in a car that is not very quick, being given no time whatsoever. Put all of them together. You get a very difficult scenario. And it almost works the other way, I think, in that, yes, Liam Lawson has been presented with a really difficult task. But it's almost so difficult that it's a free hit for him, right? There's literally nothing he can do this weekend where people are overly critical of him.

Because expectations are on the floor when you're putting a situation like that. So everything else is a bonus. It's very similar to the situation that Nick DeVries was in last year, where I think him overachieving actually got him to seat this year. And again, I think you're in a position where you're substituting for a regular driver. I say regular. Daniel Ricardo, I don't even know if he can be considered regular again yet. But yeah, there's nothing to lose in Liam Lawson's spot. I mean, he was a couple of seconds off the pace. He crashed yesterday. None of it matters. No one's sitting in criticizing him.

So it's actually, I think, an all right spot for him to be in. I think in terms of looking at the race tomorrow, what would be considered success for him? I think you're right. Just being in the mix. the Alpha Tauri has probably got a bit more pace than the hash drivers and the Alpha Rameos as well, particularly here. So I think if you can hang on to the back of Bottas and Joe and Magnuson, I'd consider that a success. But what a scenario to be put in. I bet he was, he must have been wishing this that happened at Monza like it did for Nick DeVries because two very different circuits. Yeah, you imagine going out for like this meal that you've always wanted, right?

You go, oh, yes, the table's finally over the dog. I get to sit down and eat this dinner. But they've decided for one evening only that your table is going to be inside a giant washing machine while people throw live dogs at you that are starving hungry. That's what Liam Norses having to go through in terms of a Formula One weekend. Let's, before we go, one final topic from our side, Ferrari. No, no, no. We spoke about Ferrari in the preview,

and Sam, you were not so optimistic about their chances going into this weekend. They both made Q3, but it seemed as if they had to very much scrap to get there. So do you think overall pace-wise, they are pretty much where you thought they'd be? Exactly where I thought they'd be. They are showing so many difficulties.

Charlotte Clare seems to think that turn one goes on from another 50 metres down the road, then it actually does. Because he locked up there, what, three times so far this weekend? You had to run over that skate road? It is more laps around that than the actual laps he's doing around the normal. Do you think he considered like just breaking a tiny bit earlier for Turn 1? No.

He's a fan of the podcast. Why would he consider early breaking? This is true. Exactly. He's more a fan of breaking. I think actually what this has done is. So we heard Charlotte Clara berating the Ferrari kind of, you know, pit wall during Q1 when they nearly went out. Nothing was going right for them.

there's only so much that Ferrari could do when there's only three wheels on the car and the gearbox has been wrecked and your suspension is broken. Really, Shell. So I think this action has quite literally brought Freddie Vass's comments to life that we heard in the summer break

where he came out and said, Charlotte Clove's a bit rash, you know, he's maybe forcing the car to be more than it needs to and just simmer down a little bit. He's got that raw talent. And because he hasn't got the car under him that he wants, he's trying to overdrive everywhere. And I think we saw that again.

This was a real, strange place to crash the car. It was a really strange incident to have. And the session one got perfect in Q3 was going all right for him. It wasn't breathtaking, but it was okay. He was putting himself in a solid spot for the race tomorrow. But this wasn't good. This was a real rookie era, very similar to Logan Sargent. And I shouldn't really be comparing Charlotte Claire and Logan Sargent in their way of crashing at this point in Charlotte Clare's career. So quite disappointed. I feel like he Kier kept it on the track. It just compounds and a really difficult weekend for Ferrari where I think they could be the fourth or fifth slowest car here. Yeah, that's the problem is that you're right.

They don't seem to have the pace here. Practice definitely indicated that. LeCler's got this opportunity in Q3 to try and make the most of it he possibly can. And I think he's gone out there at 100, 20, 103%, which is just just over the limit, which is a problem that we've seen from him a few times already this year. Certainly, I don't know what it is with Charlotte-Clau. It seems as if when it's wet, he's fine, good driver.

When it's dry, he's great. Anything in between he really struggles with. Not a fan of damp. It baffles me. And I've got no way. I don't think he understands why either. But he really struggled to get out of Q1. That wouldn't have been a shock

to see him go in that bottom five. So I think he would have been glad to make Q3 in the first. instance. But yeah, I think he was for different reasons, but I think similar to Logan Sargent's crash, it's just giving it one or two percent too much in that, in that circumstance. Probably a good point, actually, to say just about the track as a whole. It's great the drivers are punished when they make mistakes. Yeah, everywhere. There's grass and gravel pretty much everywhere here. It's just good. I just really like it. As a flat-out track to do a hot,

lap round where any mistakes you pay the price for, it smash. Yeah, does a great job. Anyway, Harry, what do you make of Ferrari's performance? I mean, overall, yeah, you're right. They don't have the pace here, and it's what we said before the weekend, but we just, we turn out now every race weekend and we're like, well, where Ferrari are going to be? No idea. And this time, they're not great.

I guess they're around where we've sort of suggested they might be, I thought maybe slightly higher, but it wasn't great. for Leclair, it's almost like a chicken and egg scenario now where, and obviously the car's not great and he's pushing it, but this, he gets, he's getting wound up by Ferrari strategy management. Understandable, we get it, but it's almost like he's now trying to counteract that. And he's, and he's over, overdriving the car. So it's obviously not his fault that sometimes Ferrari don't make the right choices. but at the same time

it seems like he needs to put that to the back to the back of his mind because Sam mentioned in Q1 he was on the radio fuming, fuming with the team F-E-W-M-I-N I mean that entire like paragraph of rant and then Zavi goes

copy understood I would that would wind me up more you rant that much and then he comes back and says two words I'd be like oh you're going to get it Zavi I slice a song Two ticks red but yeah I just think he's getting a bit frustrated and that's causing that

because you know I get he wants to be winning and he has the talent to be winning but some days you don't have the car underneath you and today was not it was that day he it was unlikely to be challenging for polls so just pick up the places where you can and live to fight for another day but he didn't so

it'll grow of it. Running. Grow up at one point. We'll see. We'll see. Good stuff. I think that'll do it

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