The Late Braking F1 Podcast - 2024 Italian GP Review

Episode Date: September 1, 2024

Ben and Sam review the thrilling Italian GP in Monza where Ferrari charged to home glory with a bold strategy and a stunning drive from Charles Leclerc. The boys cover all of the action from McLaren's 'Papaya Rules', to the flailing Red Bull and the penalty pandemonium further down the field... >>> Only a couple tickets are left for our LIVE SHOW in Austin TX! CLICK HERE to buy now or for more info!

This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to check out new episodes every Wednesday and every Sunday. Well, welcome to the late breaking F1 podcast presented by Sam Sage and me, Ben Hocking, today, reviewing the Italian Grand Prix. An Italian Grand Prix won by Charles LeClaire for Ferrari. Sam, let's get out of the way you predicted it. Oh, is there anything better than a Ferrari win at Monza?

after look, oh, God, it was spicy. I'm so excited. Yes, I predicting it. And Charlotte Clair has been goggly. He said, God sends message to me, and I'm now getting another bold prediction point. So, God, all a good day. What a good day is for me and for Charlotte. Clair. Equal measures, I think. I think we've achieved equal amounts today. Sure. He won with the two McLarence, joining him on the podium. Oscar Piaastri and second, Lando Norris in third. Carlos Seines finished in fourth, Hamilton, fifth for Mercedes. Vastappan 6th, Russell 7th, Perez 8th, Albin 9th and Magnuson gets the last point in 10th. We've got a lot to run through on today's episode.

Moment of the races coming up later on. Quite a few penalties handed out today. We'll give our verdict on whether they were just or not. A little bit on the midfield fight. Again, Albin and Magnuson getting the points today in that battle. Mercedes and Red Bull, how they fared, but it's only natural to start out front with Charlotte Clair taking that race win. Ultimately, the one stop is what helped him to victory.

Piastri and Norris behind him going for two-stop races. Piaastri and Norris both at one point had the lead in this race, but it's Charles Leclerc who walks away with the 25 points and his second race win on the season. Strategy-wise, Sam, have Ferrari just like borrowed someone else's team because they seem to be good at it now? Well, you say that, but yet it felt like they got it incredibly wrong to begin with. Once again, it felt like an absolute Ferrari blunder, right?

It's almost like they walked through the door and went, Oh, no, this is the wrong room. Turn around, go back into the other room. That's the strategy room. Yeah, I mean, to kickstart your point, we now have four multiple race winners throughout this season, with another three drivers who have one race wing. Constructors' Championship has come down to about 40 points between three teams.

It is getting spicy with eight races to go. And what a season we're now having. What a spicy season we're now having. And Ferrari, I think somehow really blunded their way into an absolutely excellent strategy call. you saw the fact that they got undercut, right? So Piastri and Norris coming first. LeClau is the last coming of those three. He ends up having a bit of event over the radio

trying to say, why have we coming straight after if we're just going to get undercut? Why have we not stayed out for longer and tried to maximise the tyres, having a right old go at Ferrari, at his strategy team? Only for that almost to pay off because the extra couple of laps meant that he had slightly younger tyres

and then they just didn't come back in again. You heard Oscar Piusstri in the call-down room saying, consider the one stop. We weren't really sure if the tyres can make it. And when I looked at my tyres, they just didn't look good. They didn't look good. So, you know, fair play. Fair play to Lecler for dragging it all the way out. I think it was a bold and risky strategy. I think a puncture maybe could have appeared at any moment, but they played it off. And science, maybe not as fortunate, maybe not as skill that get in the car as far as eager to.

But he also played a very pivotal role. It's just being a roadblock for a lap or so that meant that the time had to come down a little later than Piastri wanted. It ended up being a genius call from Ferrari. While I don't know if they strictly meant for it to happen. So I think I agreed completely with Shaul-A-Clair on the strategy that meant he came in just one lap after Lando Norris. I thought that was a dreadful call because obviously Lando-Norris gets the undercut on him, again, only by one lap. Charle-Cle-Cle comes into the pits, and that was a good pit stop by Ferrari. I think it was 2.5 seconds. So the fact that Shao-Lac-Claire and his team, they got a 2.5-second pit-stop, and he was still a couple of seconds behind Lando Norris as he came out the pits.

LeCler had every right to be angry about that because that was just nonsensical. If they did a 1.8 second pit stop, he still wasn't going to be ahead of Norris. There was no way he was ever going to get out ahead of him. And in reality, he had, I think, five lap older tires at the end versus Carlos Sines. I've got no idea why they didn't just do the same thing with LeCleur that they did with Sines. Give him, it worked out okay, obviously. and I think the one stop was the right way to go. But they should have just kept him out on those mediums

a couple laps longer and then he would have had more to fight with at the end. Again, he didn't need it. But if he did, that's absolutely where I would have gone to if Piastri had got this on the last lap. I think it's interesting you bring that up, actually, because I thought about that before we started recording. And I actually think the clerk coming in one lap later, again, agree with you, Anglerclerc,

like it was a terrible, terrible call, ending up losing a position, falling further behind, had to regain DRS, awful position to being. But because the McLaren's worked on new tyres for so much longer, you saw this with Hamilton versus Verstappen, you saw it with Sites versus the McLaren's. The new tire benefit allowed the gap to be built up so much that I don't think it could have been turned over.

So weirdly, by the clerk being stuck in the McLaren's DRS the entire time, being towed along until they had their second pit stop, I actually think it meant he got the best of both worlds, He got to run with the McLaren to be pulled on, but wasn't undercut to the point where he lost 10, 15 seconds. Look at the gap between the Clarence at the end of the Grand Prix. I think he may have been passed, weirdly, if he stopped later the first time around.

Maybe. I mean, he wasn't in the DRS of like the McLaren on that. He was for a lap or two, but for the most part, he was a couple of seconds back. And maybe there's something in the distant toe, and maybe that was the reason they did it. I just think that, obviously, Signs was in a pretty similar,

position but just went a few laps longer. I feel like they were always going to get undercut, so they might as well have gone a couple laps longer. It didn't end up mattering, obviously. And the one stop was absolutely the right way to go. And it was said at the end of the race that, obviously, Ferrari have pulled off this one stop strategy versus McLaren, but more cars did one stops than two stops. It was a far more viable strategy than I think McLaren and a few others made it out to be. You know, we saw, and we'll get on to Red Bull later on, but Red Bull very early on committed, this is going to be a two-stop. McClaran seemed to think it was off the table.

But we saw with Album being ahead of Alonzo as an example, this one-stop strategy, it was what was recommended before the race by Pirelli. It was definitely a viable strategy. And for whatever reason, McLaren didn't think it was achievable. Ferrari definitely thought it was because, give Piastri another two laps.

Maybe he gets it. I don't know. He might need three or four to get that done. if Lecler is in all-out defense mode. This isn't a racetrack like what we saw at Zandvore or something like Spar or Hungary where having fresh tires is so beneficial. You remember how few corners we have here at Monza

and how much having fresh rubber really benefits you. Watch how the gap didn't come down between Piastrian and LeCleur once he finally got past Sikes. It stayed around that 11 to 10 second mark for three or four laps before he really started to see that benefit. Monza is not a place where undercutting isn't a second. sensual if you're stuck on your own. What you need is the benefit of slipstream and toe and

clean air around you. If you've got someone who can match your pace, who can pull you along, old tyres or not, that's how you gain that advantage around somewhere like Mong's. It is not the same as a Silverstone where fresh tyres, you put them on, you knock into two or three fast collapse in the car that's still out there and you will be six or seven seconds clear. I don't think it has the same advantage here. So the one stop, like you said, really surprising that more teams up front didn't consider it. I only think Lewis Hamilton did the two stop because he had such a gap behind him with the whole Perez and Russell were back. Magnuson was the car behind him at one point. He almost just had free air to drop into and he wasn't going to catch up

to the cars in front. Yeah, I was I was surprised, though, we'll say. But yeah, fair play too, Ferrari. They pulled that off and Charles LeCler pulled this off as well because, again, I mean, Carlos Sines is, he did qualify one position behind Charles LeClair. He was on the same strategy but had slightly fresher tires. Signs couldn't keep the two McCarrants behind him. Leclair did. So this is give respect to Ferrari for what they were able to achieve, but give respect to the individual as well. Because Charles Leclair, he, again, if it was such an amazing strategy that was undeniable,

it would have been a Ferrari one, too, and it wasn't. Yeah, this wasn't the George Russell strategy of Belgium where he pulled something completely out the blue and did something that no one else did. I don't know how we ended up. But still, that's relevant. This was, as you mentioned, the recommended strategy. And Ferrari just went, we should just do exactly what Pirelli tell us could do. and we will wing.

And then it happened. And Lecler guiding it home. I did enjoy him being quite sassy over the radio. They were telling people that, can you just shut up. I'm quite under pressure right now. Please just let me get on with it. Well, it would have been very interesting. And we won't get on to Mercedes and Red Bull

until a little bit later on in the episode. But it would have been interesting if they didn't have such a free hit because Charler LeClearn knew that if worse comes to worse, McCarran get them and they end up third and fourth. So they might as well have gone for it. really anything to lose and only something to gain. But that is because Red Bull and Mercedes were, at least in this race, quite distant from

Ferrari and McLaren. If that wasn't the case, I don't know if Ferrari have the guts to make this call. And instead, maybe they mirror what McLaren do. But that's hypothetical. We'll never know. Yeah. And you know what? It turned what was an all right race with some interesting parts to a real slow burner that

kicked off at the end that made it incredibly dramatic. And I'm grateful for it. As a spectator, I'm grateful to how fun that race became. It was another brilliant Grand Prix for this season. Right, let's move on to the McLaren side of things because they did start first and second in this Grand Prix with Norris first, Piastri second. Piastri has stayed in exactly the same position,

but Lando Norris has gone down two positions to finish in third. He did claim the fastest lap, so he gets 16 points on the day rather than 15. Let's take it somewhat chronologically. We saw Norris and Piastri pretty much side by side going into turn one. At least initially, Lando Norris is able to just about keep that lead.

But of course, Piastri surprises him with an overtake a little bit later on in the lap. And Piastri goes off into the distance with Charles LeClaire, with Norris being slowed down, also able to get a position. How impressed were you, first of all, by what Piastri was able to do? I mean, you know how boxes sometimes get games when they get announced? I think we might have to go for Oscar the pickpocket Piaastri, because the way he absolutely swept around the outside of that move was, it was, bold to say the least.

Do that on your teammate on lap one. The fact that obviously Lando held on the to the lead. And we all a little bit unsure whether he could do that. Goes into turn one, goes through the Curve Grande. There he is. Oster gets the better exit. And all of a sudden, you think,

hang on a minute, there's a move on here. It is bold to make that stick on your teammate. A fair play to be asked you. I was so impressed that he got that move done. So, so impressed. And actually,

I think he pretty much had the measure of Norris for the entire race. There were moments, of course, when Norris were faster. He ended up the fastest lap. But at every turn, Piascri had him covered. At one point, he ends up getting four or five seconds clear, covers off the undercut.

You hear this papaya rules being bounding around multiple times. Have you heard a phrase so many times, it doesn't sound like it's a real thing anymore. The words, papaya rules is now like weirdly embedding into my mind. It's really think it's cringy. It is cringing. It is a bit cringe.

Like, come on, grow up. They've had to sit down with two children going, now last time when you thought, we're going to need a code word. What do you like? Papaya rules. Yeah, I'm not a fan. Anyway, anyway.

Piazcri, I think I had the measure of Norris for a log of the Grand Prix. Norris, I think, got himself frustrated, came a little flustered. Every time he pitted, he was getting in an ideal situation. He gets out in front of LeCler, of course, off with the first pit stop, but then can't ever make him as properly on Piastri. He never gets back into DRS efficiently. And LeCler was fantastic in getting through on that mistake from Norris as well, when Norris ends up slow off the exit.

And I thought, well done to Lecler. because that might have been race changing. That might have been the moment that allowed Lecler to do what he was able to do where he wasn't cooped up behind both McLaren's, but in fact was going off with the, at the time, faster of the two McLaren sitting in his slipstream,

only about a second behind on average for the majority of that first sting. Genuinely, very impressed by those two. Is it another bottle from Lando Norris? First down to third. Doesn't look very, very good when you're beaten by your teammate on pure racing alone.

Not good from Lando. Once again, throws a strove at the end of the Grand Prix and it's not going to. as long as way. Yeah, I was so impressed by Oscar Piastri and what he did on that first lap. And the way I read the McLaren pace was whichever of the two drivers led out of the first lap was going to have the pace to hold off the other one. I don't think either of them had the outright pace to get by the other one if it didn't come on that first lap. So I think what Piastri, I think correctly identified,

I think he correctly identified that that was going to be probably his one and only opportunity to get by Lando Norris and he took it. That overtake was sublime, inch perfect. He could not have done that any better. And Lando Norris, as he admitted afterwards, was surprised by it. I don't think he saw that coming. Piaastri, if he gets that even a little bit wrong, that is not only a disaster for himself. That's probably a disaster for both teams. Given what's at stake with the Constructors Championship, that could have gone so wrong. So the fact that he was bold enough to try and pull off that move and he made it work, I thought that was sensational.

For Lando Norris, I can, I don't think, I don't want to say I can sympathize, but also like him losing two positions, it's like it's one error. It's not two errors. Like the first error led to LeClaire getting by. But what was worse is that later on, he had an incident at the same corner by himself, and he lost a number of seconds there where he was looking like he could maybe apply some pressure and then all of a sudden, Lecler is right on his rear wing within DRS because of an error he made. So this was a missed opportunity for Lando Norris.

If you said before the race, okay, you're starting on pole. Vastappan is starting in seventh. You're going to claim, what was it in the end? You are going to claim eight more points than him. He'd go. Is that it? Did I win and Vastapa got up to second place? Is that how it worked, is it?

That was what you would assume, yeah. And in fact, Vastappen made up one position. So it wasn't exactly a... They only made it up because Russell had the contact. Yeah, so I think Norris will be disappointed that he couldn't make more inroads into that championship advantage of Vastappen today. I was going to bring that up.

I was going to say, do you think this is a missed hit for Lando Norris here? The fact that, yeah, the championship... We said it in the preview, right? We said how, you know, you get one race in the last eight or nine and it swings properly. And this was... I think if Landon Norris sees, Landon on Friday,

you're going to start pole, Max will start seventh. Secretly, Championship surely on now. You could turn this around. And if he's gone, I'd even come second in that Grand Prix. And Max also went forwards. It's not good enough. It's not the work of a champion to see that you can't convert these opportunities time and time again when the pressure is piled on.

It's one thing, as you mentioned, that he was overtaken by Piastrian. What was a sensational move? and LeCleur opportunistic. I can't blame Norris for LeCleur being opportunistic. It was a well-thought outlet, election, and fine. But like you said,

the mistake at the same corner to drop two seconds in one turn and completely evaporate any chance over taking your teammate, and he is gaining another three points. That is where a champion would step up, and that is where someone who is not ready to step up doesn't. And I think that's the difference at the moment

with where Landon Norris is. Two yes or no questions, both relating to team orders. should McLaren have used any team orders on that first lap and should McLaren have used any team orders on the last lap? For entertainment purposes, I'd like to say no to both. But if they want championships, yeah. Yeah, if we're going to be brutal about it, yes.

Oscar, you stay behind Lando and you defend him. Oscar, you give up the position to Lando and you allow it. But I disagree with them. I don't want it to happen. Oscar drove the better race. I'm happy that Austin got the points. I think the issue with team orders, because of course this is the second real opportunity that McLaren have had to use them after Hungary as well.

Norris is 62 behind Vestappan. Piastri is currently closer to Norris than Norris is to Vestappan. That is still the case. Now, Piastri is 44 behind Norris, which isn't a massive margin. If the margin between these two drivers was bigger, like it kind of was in the Hamilton-Botas days, and we've seen it in Schumacher and Barra. It's just been a far wider gap between the two teammates when this is deployed. It's still not quite there yet.

I know what you're saying. I get what you're saying, but the gap doesn't matter between those two. It would have to be so minuscule. It's the gap to Vestappan that matters. And as much as I think Piaastri is doing brilliantly and Lando's let himself down, the gap between Piaastri and Vastappan is too big to be made up at this point, I think. Yeah, well, yeah, that is over 100 points of this stage. And I don't think, well, you never know based on how Red Bull were today.

But I think that's unlikely. But yeah, it's interesting because based on that first lap move from Piastri, you've shown a meme that I probably won't say verbatim, but I don't think Piastri cares a lot about Norris' challenge yet. Piazri is here to kick down some doors and make an aim for himself. And someone in our live screen chat said, if McLaren have got what it takes to win the driver's title, I think Piastri does it before Norris at this point,

which is a big claim. I'm not sure I agree with it, but it shows he's here to play and it's not here to be a number two driver. That is for sure. We're going to take our first break on this episode. On the other side, we're going to get into what happened for McClare,

sorry for Mercedes and Red Bull. Okay, so we've covered off the first four positions in this race that were occupied by McLaren and Ferrari. We now go into fifth down to eighth, which were occupied by Mercedes and Red Bull. So Lewis Hamilton eventually finishing in fifth. Vostappen making up one position in the race to finish in sixth. George Russell, after a difficult first lap,

comes home seventh with Sergio Perez in eighth. Let's have a look at Red Bull first of all, because they didn't qualify very well, obviously, down in seventh and eighth. Didn't get much better for them out in the race. No, I mean, Max Verstappenpan only gains because George Russell has that issue where he had. It was never clear to me where the contact was.

Was it on turn one? Did he clip the back of Piastri's front wing? And that's what? I guess it was. I didn't think it was on board. No. Equally like that matches up exactly to where the damage was. He didn't come back on dangerously.

He didn't touch anyone he came back on the track. So unless, you know, I think Piaastri, they're quite lucky than not to pick up a puncture if that really was how it occurred. Anyway, so, yeah, Maxostappen gains one place due to George Russell, So essentially taking the front wing damage, having to do the elongated pit stop, ends up being about 10, 11 seconds for a front wing change, which is pretty standard. And I felt a bit sorry for George Russell, because he looked really racy off the start, looked like it was going to be quite punchy.

And then Piastri didn't do anything wrong. Pliastri, again, also quite advantageous in trying to make a move stick. It was two cars being very, very close together at the start. And George Russell ends up being slightly punished for it, unfortunately. What was worrying on the other side for Red Bull is, is that Maxwell stepping at one point looked relatively close to Lewis Hamilton, usually around where they started to do their pit stops,

and then the gap just widened and widened and widened. I think they got the strategy call wrong. I think that the double hard tyres stink was a bad call. They just kept running along on those hard tires and maybe hope for a safety car to come in for some mediums. The pace wasn't there in a straight line. They couldn't really get moves done. We saw how bad Perez was going up against George Russell.

At no point could he cleanly get past George Russell. I actually took to winging, about him a couple of times over the radio being like, he's let me past, why is he now racing me again? I just thought, that's what racing drivers do. Sergio, you race each other when you'll hear each other on the racetrack. This is worrying times for Red Bull. There is every chance that they might have been the fourth fastest car

around this race track. The fact that Paris ends up finishing behind Russell, even after all the troubles, really is unnerving for them. If Ferrari carry on with this upward trend and McLaren keep dominating the front three positions of some variation, Red Bull could find themselves third in the Constructors' Championship. Yeah, very easily. They were the fourth fastest team out there.

There was, that's the analysis. Like there's not too much more to it. They were the four fastest team. And when you're in that position, strategy really matters to see if you can get something done. I think I mentioned this maybe in yesterday's episode that Red Bull starting seven, an eighth with no real opportunity to be overtaken by anyone ninth down, they had the opportunity to be creative. And they were to an extent because they started on the hard time.

They started on the hard tires, no one else did, which I thought was the right call. You do something different to the six cars in front of you. And then I just don't quite understand what they were playing, like with the double hard stint then onto the mediums late on. See, the medium tire was degrading quite quickly, but... I don't think it was a good race tire either. I do not think it was particularly... No, no.

But yeah, I mean, they only had a couple of laps advantage on the likes of Carlos Sainz, who started on the mediums when they came in for their first stop to go on to the hards. I just, I'm not quite sure what they were going for. I think they got suckered in. I think they quickly realized, like it's going to be a two-stop race and they were running out of laps and they went, we've still got to do another hard stink here and then get onto the mediums. I think they realized they haven't broken up the race in the correct proportions for

themselves. And I don't think the one stop ever occurred to them. I generally don't think it ever crossed their minds. Yeah. And maybe this was just a case of, look, and if, If this is the case, this is quite dismal, we can't beat the Ferraris, we can't beat the McLaren's, and we probably can't beat Lewis Hamilton. We need to deploy a strategy that can get us ahead of Russell. And that's, maybe that's what they were going for, because Vastappan ultimately did

finish ahead of Russell, not by a lot, but he did. Like, if that's who they thought they were racing, which was accurate, the guy who had to make a front wing change and make a way earlier pit stop than he wanted to, that's pretty dismal. Like that, if that's who you're racing, this is a team that has won plenty of races this year, and they are thinking about how can we beat a guy that has had to come in for a front wing change who might get back to six or seventh.

Yikes. I think what worried me the most was Max Verstappen's attitude over the radio to the rest of the team, you know, where he comes over and goes, can those at the back wake up, please? You know, I think he was panicking that Russell was getting closer and closer. Russell, who was driving a pretty good recovery race after what happened. And I think it's starting to dawn on Max Verstappen

that every single point here is counting. We know that Max Verstappen likes to go race to race. He just pick up his wings, pick up his polioes. He isn't someone that is, he's not the prost of this world. He will sit there and go, I will win this championship by doing the absolute bare minimum. I don't care about the records. I want the championship at the end.

Max Verstappen isn't like that. And that's not a bad thing, necessarily. He loves to race the race and he loves to get as good as he can in every single independent. end of race. And at the end, he happens to win a title. Good for him. I think today dawned on him that that isn't going to work right now. If he does want to stay in front of Landon-Norris, regardless of what's happening, they need every point. So George Russell getting closer was a real worry. It's a real wake-up call for him and I think a lot of Red Bull. And if they genuinely

couldn't have pulled off a one-stop strategy in that their tire wear was too high, again, that's a worry because it's similar to what we saw at Zamfort, is that they don't seem to be as kind on their tires now as some of the other teams are. If Ferrari can pull off that one-stop strategy, if other teams like, you know, Williams can pull off that one-stop strategy, then Red Bull should realistically think they can as well. But either they made a strategic blunder or their tires could not cope with it. Either way, it's not good news. No.

I mean, with Singapore coming up, which is a tire buffet, I think they need to be quite careful with how they progress. I mean, hopefully it's more like the Zanvot for them. maybe they're closer to the podium and they're not focusing a lot of their weaknesses, which seem to be exposed here at Monza, but it's still going to be a real challenge for them. They've scored 12 points today, 12. That's it.

It's really not good. And Ferrari, they haven't even, Ferrari have not even had a double podium here. And yet they have scored 25 more points than Red Bull have. They do that twice over the next two races, they are beating Red Bull. It's really not that much of a margin.

we kept joking about this, especially over the summer break. Oh, you know, Ferrari, what are they doing? These upgrades don't seem to work. How are they still here? How are they this close to the front still? It's actually quite remarkable how this. Charlotte Clure is putting an absolute shift in this season. Science is doing a good job, but the Clure is smashing it.

The car being that close, when I don't think once, other than maybe Monaco, they have Outweigh had the best car. Even at Monza, I don't know if they had the Outwhite best car, just a great strategy call. It's impressive where they are. Yeah, it is. And I hate to be that guy again, but Ferrari's second driver is fairly close to their first driver.

McLaren's second driver is fairly close to their first driver. It's costing Red Bull. It's right now it is costing them a lot. I know they're still got the lead, but it is just. What's the points gap between Perez and Verstappen now? It is 160. Crickey. Is it that big?

Yes. So even if it was 100 points less. Also, no one clip, crikey, is it that big, please, and use that externally. So even if it was 80 points less than that, right? They'd be another three races in front of their competitors. Yeah, I mean, you've got,

you've got signs and LeClaire separated by 33 points. You've got Piastri and Norris separated by 44, and then you have Vestappen and Perez separated by 160. Like, it's not comparable. So it's, yeah, we'll see how it goes over the next few races. But if this form of Red Bull continues, I just don't see how they're going to live with those other two teams, particularly McLaren, but probably Ferrari as well. Very, very interesting.

Let's know your thoughts, of course. You get involved in all the conversations, discourse in the description. Or you could comment now on like to Spotify as well. Leave a comment. Let's know your thoughts. I'm going to be slightly more critical of Russell than you were. Yeah, go on. I thought he fumbled the first corner.

a bit. And I know he had, obviously, Piastri's getting in the slipstream of Lando Norris on what will become the inside of the corner, which essentially opens up the outside for George Russell. And I know that he is at that point going, oh my God, round the outside for the lead. You know it's going to do it. The realistic side of you has to go, Piastri's going to go for that gap. And I feel like Russell should have just anticipated it. And he had a reasonable car. I'm not sure if what he'd have been able to do versus the Ferraris in the race, obviously, but certainly P5 was available for him here. I think he just needs to break half a second earlier and account for what Piastri's going to do there. Unfortunately for George Russell, it is once again

another occasion where he has outqualified Lewis Hamilton, but he has not outscored Lewis Hamilton. And this is now becoming quite a running trend between the two Masegis drivers. There are now, what, 40 odd points between those two? Yeah. There you go. So at the start of this season, Russell looked to have Hamilton in his back pocket, and it is eking out, really starting. And it's these little mistakes. I think the change in downforce when a car sweeps in front of you like that is surprisingly noticeable.

I do think Russell would have been taking a little bit by surprise at that change in breaking power that maybe he would have expected. But nonetheless, he is still the attacking driver. He's still trying to make a move into what is probably the toughest breaking zone in Formula One, one lap one of Monsa and you've got to be careful. You've got another 53 laps to go after this. And we've said it so many times you can't win a racing lap one, but you could definitely lose it. He did lose it. And he has to got to go and also blame by himself. Yeah. And the fact that he was still able to beat Sergio Perez and almost beat Max Verstappen as well, I think proves the fact that Mercedes definitely had a quick car than Red Bull.

Fifth and six in the back. Yeah, exactly. So I think he had a fairly good recovery from that point onwards, but obviously not quite enough to get up to at least sixth place. What did you make of the Russell Perez battle, by the way? Very curious, wasn't it? It was really elbows out, and they were full on going for it here. I think it wouldn't have happened. What we just spoke about occurred. I think Russell will have been too far up the road from the likes of Perez who really exists.

So I think it only occurred because of the mistake that Russell made. It was on the line for how naughty things got. there was a few moments where Perez was defending from Russell into turn one, definitely didn't leave a car's width, definitely could shut that door, and Russell had to run straight over, no investigation, no penalty. So that seems to be quite hit unmased when we challenged that these days. Russell then reattacking, obviously, even the position back seemed totally fair. I don't know, it was feisty.

I enjoyed it. But I think Russell was essentially trying to get past traffic that was definitely slower than his car. Yeah, I wasn't impressed by the defense of Perez. I thought it was over the line on a couple of occasions. So the, and this is a generic criticism rather than one directed solely at Perez. It's Perez's example here, but it's a lot of drivers do this. I hate, I hate so much when you have a turn one incident where Perez obviously hasn't left any room whatsoever.

Russell is forced to go off and it wasn't the only one we saw. And then over team radio, it's like, well, why is he racing me? Like he went off track. You forced him there. My idea of racing is you leave a kind of. with and if you don't leave that car's width, I don't care what the other driver does. Like if they get past by going off track, tough. You should have left the space. You brought it on yourself right at that point. Yeah. I don't care. Like you leave the space

and if you don't, you suffer the consequences. That's my attitude to it. But the one later on was more egregious, the one where he moves in the breaking zone. Right. Gladwell bringing that because that caused me to audibly gasp. A trap like Mongza, you don't be doing that. It's nice to see that the black and white flag no longer exists again. That's just gone. I'm wearing it. Oh, yes, that's the problem. You've got it. And they've only got one. Sorry, guys. I've decided to dog it upon my chest. They're looking in the equipment cupboard to see if they've got another one and they don't. Yeah, so I thought that they were definitely worth looking at it. I was surprised that they didn't even look at the second one for sure. The first one is more my view of what I think

racing should be. And I appreciate that's not how the FIA see it. So I'm not surprised at the first wasn't looked into, but the second one, that looked dodgy to me. It's like they didn't want to police it at all, though, because it wasn't just the Perez-Russal battle that had a few moments where, you know, cars were being run off the track. It's like they just went for this race, you have at it. It's Monza. It's going to happen. And I, yeah, very much disagree.

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He can't do anything else. Be fair, he's one Formula 1.5. He has one Formula 1.5. He's never getting further unless there's a DNF right now. And he's only one Formula 1.5 because Kevin Mag. Magnuson got a 10 second time penalty, which has demoted him to 10th place. More about the consequences of that very shortly. Fernando Alonzo, it was one tenth of a second that separated Magnuson and Alonzo.

Was it that close? Yeah, yeah. It was coming down to the wire because it was like 9.8, 9.9. 10 seconds on the last couple of laps. And eventually Magnetton just about creates enough of a gap to finish 10th ahead of Alonzo in 11th. What did you make of that battle? because that was fairly close. Albin pulling off the one stop,

Alonzo's two stop, not quite working out for him. Yeah, that was almost the perfect situation for strategy, right, for a viewer's point of view. We say this all the time. We ideally like a one stop,

a two step and a three stop to be so viable that come the last five laps of a race, they all converge at the same point of the track and we get a big old scrap to see which one ends up being the better strategy. I think Albon, I think the Williams look good.

Colopinto moving up to 12th place and shows that, you know, it had good pace there. And I think Albon was very consistent despite taking a few adventurous moments off the side of the racetrack. Again, not sure if that's his fault, but he did definitely go for a few adventurous moments. KMAG I'm very frustrated by. The harsh drivers were chaotic throughout this Grand Prix, but I think overall KMAG had a very positive Grand Prix. His pace was really solid.

He made a longer strong overtakes. And it looked like this should be his point. So you got any immediate thoughts, Ben there? I can see you're pulling a face. Yeah, it was very close. And Alex Albin, I think, has done a good job in that he had solid pace all day. And you're right, Colopinto had fairly similar. Album was definitely quicker, but there wasn't a huge amount in it.

So I think Colopinto could be happy with his progress up to 12th place. Magnuson, he, you know, with that 10 second penalty, he's lost out, obviously, on a point because of that. And it was very clumsy. And we'll get on to some of the other penalties in a moment. Hasse, I think, will go away from this race, frustrated, because I know that the top eight positions were locked out. I think Hasse should have been 9th, 10th here. I was going to say, for me,

they should have been the fifth fastest. They were the fifth fastest team on track. And they had every opportunity to deliver upon being the fifth fastest. Sanghaudor out through their doing. You know, Ricardo mucks up his pit stress, well, the poor, bloody engineering here, puts his hand on the wing, and no, poor lads. He knows it straight away as well.

You see his head go, you think, I've been there, not literally there, but that is like pure, I've mucked up. Immediately I'm the one that's mucked up. Bless him. Williams are driving a section with one hand behind their back because Colin Pinto's having his first score on career. We don't expect anything of him. Along Sony, Ashton Martin, he's out driving that car and can't do any more.

They could have beat Albaugh on pace and did, for the most part. And did fairly comfortably. Like, it wasn't that close. I was actually multiple times. he looked at the time board away, wait, Kevin Magnuson's still comfortably inside the top 10 here. Why is he not? It dawns on me that the hearse outright pace is comfortably better than the rest of

the midfield today. Yeah, they were. And they'll be annoyed that they didn't get more than a point, I think, because, you know, Magnuson had a tough weekend up until the race in that he had, he had an incident in one of the free practice sessions where he essentially lost his upgrade slash update for the weekend. with the repairs that they did, they had to essentially,

that was no more. So, you know, he was in theory, performance-wise, at a disadvantage going into this race. And obviously, Holcomberg will get onto his start and what happened there.

But this was a slight missed opportunity. Again, it's not one that massively opened up to the point where, let's say we had three retirements ahead of Alex Albin, then suddenly we've got eight points to play for and six points to play for.

That wasn't the case here. So it was going to be, a maximum of three points for a midfield team. But even so, I think they'll be a little bit disappointed because the fact that Magnuson could build a 10 second gap on Alonzo shows what pace advantage they had on most of the midfield. Well, Magnuson's probably not going to race next time out, is he? What a Muppet.

What a Muppet has happened. I mean, we knew it must have happened eventually. He's been sitting on this, what, was it two points need for a race man? And he built them up so quickly that he had. to do the entire season of 2024 and then two races of 2025, which currently he isn't going to feature in before, you know, to clear those points. Race ban is first time we're seeing a race ban through this billion points for a little while now. I mean, I almost maybe good to get it out of the way, I guess. Good to moving on, I suppose. Yeah, I, I don't, this is going

sound a bit radical because I am going to assume that they'll put bearman in the car for this race. You wouldn't want to lose an opportunity to put your new driver in for a full Grand Prix weekend. I know Ocon is probably going to be creeping out the garage like, no one's going to spot. Estabar, get back. Doing say already in the car. Yeah. I would assume it's going to be bearman. Yeah.

If he does well, do they. Rest of the season? Do they try and make that happen? I kind of would. I think, why not? Nothing. What are you losing? I don't think

cars can really be usurped from where they are in the championship now at the moment. They're pretty happy behind R.B. Are they behind R.B.? They're behind Rby.

That's still a battle and I think they can get that. So that might be a reason they keep Magnuson for the rest of this season and obviously the fact that he has a contract. I think this will be up to Magnuson. But I don't know. If Bairman does a good job in the next race,

I don't know if they at least consider that as an option. Six points between them. I've just had a look. Six points between the two. Okay, yes, it definitely is in contentioning. And if with a few of the fast tracks coming up, if Hars can deploy similar pace, sure, they can pick up six points

in the next eight Grand Prix, it is possible. I don't know. Magnuson is so hit and miss. He's so up one race. Like today. He raced very well. He raced brilliantly. He's so frustrating that he mucked it up with his penalty.

One incident. Outside of that, he was great. I can't compliment him because he's absolutely mucked it up. But this is what's frustrating about Kevin Magnuson. He's so, on his moment, brilliant. And he has been on his moment, brilliant. The issue is those moments come around about twice a season.

If Bearman could be 90% of that brilliant Kevin Magnuson for the next eight races and be consistent at it, they're going to have a better chance. They're going to have a better chance. And also, we had the off day where Holgerberg was not on his A game and was really not up to scratch the day as well. So, yeah, there's a part of me that if he smashes it, keep him. I'm all up for it. Yeah, in a weird way, weird, weird way.

I'd kind of like this to be Magnuson's last race because it just perfectly typifies his career. Like, he's clear pace, and then just one thing is completely, well, not completely undone it, but slightly undone it. Obviously, Box office. That's just me liking how that would fit

rather than be wanting him out of a seat, obviously. But let's, before we look at some of those penalties, let's have a look at Driver of the Day, shall we? The verdict is it? you're the driver of the days you're the driver of the days you're good at driving who you got

nice and simple Charlotte Claire I think I don't think the car was the fastest car this race weekend I do think McLaren still had the fastest race car out there opportunity to skip move of course to get past Norris

did brilliantly to stick with Piastry for as long as he did rightly voiced that the strategy was maybe the wrong call at the time and then made those tires sing good law if we talk about tire whisperers boy he'd be whispering that was sensational um so many times throughout this season i've wanted to give charlercler driver the day and really give him the praise he deserves because it is a great season finally finally he stands out and gets

the result for it so uh yeah charlerclair did not have the best drive of the race charlerclair just had the best drive of the season really that good no i can't cannot think of one performance this season from any driver that was better than what LeClaire did out there today. Because, again, Carlos Sines was not only on the same strategy, he was arguably on a better strategy. I know they both went from mediums to hard, but Sines had five-lap-fresher tires towards the end of that Grand Prix to defend with. And yet, the gap between those two drivers was something like 15 seconds at the flag. Lecler, and I don't think Sines did an awful job, by the way, But I think LeClaire did such a phenomenal job to keep those hard tires alive late in that Grand Prix.

We heard McLaren say it wasn't doable. We heard Red Bull say that they were seeing graining from lap 15 onwards. And here's Charles Leclair, who was put in a strategically difficult position by being undercut by Lando Norris. And he has just managed those tires absolutely perfectly. Again, this was an easy driver of the day's submission. But this was for me the best performance of the day. the season so far. You know it's because I imagine Harry will probably say the same thing, when we all tend

to agree. You know if someone's really shog when we all go down the same room. Well, actually, Harry has given his driver of the day. He has gone for Daniel Ricardo. Oh, shock. He loves Daniel Ricardo. He will pick Daniel Ricardo in anything. It doesn't matter what category is.

Generally, I don't know what the question is, but the answer is Daniel Ricardo. That is Harry Yeag's life. Let's go to worst driver of the day. Get in the bin, bin, bin, bin, worst driver of the day. Ben, bin, bin, worse driver of the day. You suck at driving. You've got for this one. This one is a bit trickier, I think,

because there were a few culprits, a few criminals making some moments. Games I'm just going to throw out there. Sergio Perez, I think, criminal would offend him, couldn't keep Russell behind him even with the issue. Okay, the car wasn't great, but I also don't think they're that. far apart that it should be that easy for him.

Kevin Magnuson, as we said, I'm not going to give it to him, but it's frustrating that that penalty cost him so much. But then if I have to talk about Kevin Magnuson, I have to talk about Nika Holgerberg, who seemed to be nowhere near his teammate either, despite having a really, really good car, got mucked over by Daniel Rekonga to start with,

and then just decided to drive straight into the side of the other Marnardi and just take it straight out of the race. Lank Stroll was nowhere. Joe Guang Yu was even further away. I'm going to go Holkenberg. I think when you've got a car that's that good and you just don't feature into any part of the Grand Prix, it's not really good enough.

He probably should have been that much closer to his team, mate, and he seemed to be nowhere involved in their conversation. Same. I've gone Holkenberg as well. He should have been in the points, and his qualifying proved he could have been in the points. And I appreciate the first lap incident was not his fault. And again, we'll discuss that in a moment.

But I think what has probably happened is Holkenberg has got quite annoyed. the fact that he was in a great position and through no fault of his own is no longer in a great position and he is desperately trying to make up moves to see if something's still available in this race and he's took a risk it didn't pay off it's a bad move and he's been penalised for it needed to change the front wing his race was essentially over as soon as he tried that move I think it was a desperation move from him which is a shame so I've gone for Holcombug poor yuki poos yeah I mean just not just not

Oh, was it good. Just give it Larson whenever you turn up the monster. Just have a holiday. Just have an Italian holiday and then come back for the next race. And big brain strap. I need you to box for wets. What? It's not even raining out.

What are you talking about? Get a chance. Let your team make. Big brain strap. I'd like to give it to Ferrari and the club, but I'm going to have to give it to the engineer that touched on your Ricardo's front wing and completely forgot that a penalty need to be served because that is how you do things in Formula One.

Poor lad. I watched his entire career flashed before his eyes for that mistake. I'll go with the LeCler one. But to focus on the Ricardo 10 second time penalty for a second that, again, an engineer touched the car during what should have been five seconds without touching the car to serve the penalty for the incident with Holkenberg. He literally just touches the right front wing. That's all he does.

Immediately knows what he's done. I this is am I being serious with what I'm about to say maybe I don't know he should have in that moment just gone start working get working on yeah you may as well because you might as well at that point instead of just waste another like three seconds I know it doesn't matter to his end result like he's still not going to get any points and in I can say that in hindsight and not having to make a split second decision but in reality as soon as someone sees that he's touched the car they should just start working because they're going to get the penalty anyway. There is a little part of me. I know I'm wrong for this point of view. I know I'm aware

I'm wrong. But I feel like if you touch the car and you gain nothing meaningful from it, I feel like you should just be allowed to just go. He literally steady the front wing and took his hand off it again. You know, like it was technically served. It's up in the area. It's a gray area. It's a gray area. It's a gray area. It's a gray area. It's a gray area. It's a gray area. I do feel really bad for him. It is awful because it's another one where like you can't, what do you say to him? Like, what does he say to everyone in the team? Because it's just an honest mistake. Like, you can't even go, don't do that again because he didn't mean to do it the first time. It's a reflex. Yeah, you've kind of just got to shrug your shoulders and go, all right, onto the next one.

Like, there's not much. Hit crew is pure reflex, right? They change those tires. They move those cars around, they drive at you at 80 kilometers an hour. In two and a half seconds, you have to. You have a run on instinct. He simply forgot. He got powered by adrenaline. It's an honest mistake. Before we go to our final break on this episode, did just want to focus on some of the penalties that were handed out today because... List them off, Ben. There were quite a few. We had Kevin Magnerson getting his 10-second penalty for his incident with Pierre Gasly. We had Daniel Ricardo, who got a five-second time penalty for his incident with Nika Holcomberg, and then the 10-second time penalty for that engineer touching the car.

And then Holkenberg, he had a 10 second time penalty as well. That was for the incident with Yuki Sonoda that saw Yuki Sonoda retire from the Grand Prix. Any disagreements with them? And even if you do agree with all of them, should any of the penalty amounts have changed? Something I'd like to ask. I'd like your opinion, Ben. Do you think the collision between KMAG and Gassley was the same severity as the collision between Hulkenberg and Sondoda.

Yes. Yeah? I think so. Maybe the Hulkenberg one is slightly more egregious, but I, from a penalty perspective, I'd probably go for the same. I only bring it up because while streaming, I missed the full piece of contact,

so I just wanted to make sure. I think they were comparable. It's the driver being ambitious and trying to move up the inside and punting the other driver as a result. I don't think they're. as much in between them. The one that I'd probably argue against

is perhaps the Daniel Ricardo incident because that feels like a slight touch going into a heavy braking zone and a fast corner that it just felt like a bit of a racing moment for me. Everyone came off with it all right. I know we don't judge on Engraza, we judge on the contact,

but it was so minimal at such a high pace. I don't know if five seconds was warranting and then of course it was compounded on the fact that they mucked up the pit stop, which meant that they didn't serve it, which they meant that. He technically got a 15 second time penalty for a very, very small incident that occurred. So, yeah, I don't know if it was fully five seconds worth.

Well, obviously, as the people know, I have this awful agenda against Daniel Ricardo. So naturally, I think it was a fine penalty. I think he moves across him in the breaking zone. It could have been worse. I think he was lucky that it wasn't. I think five penalties, five seconds was justified there. He doesn't arrive on the scene late because if that was the case,

then I would change my opinion, but he knows he's there. He's just a bit clumsy, not leaving him enough room, so I thought it was a fair penalty. Would you change any of the others? I wouldn't. Weird day,

I think the FIA, apart from not investigating the Perez moving in the breaking zone incident, I think the FIA actually did a good job today. I think they got them right. They were fairly quickly handed out as well. They didn't waste a lot of time. Generally, they were.

We did a few laps. We saw what was going on. One thing that, I guess, he just never happened. I thought, Landon Norris spread into the pit lane. Not going to lie. It was waiting all ways for that to come up.

Yeah, he had to work very hard to slow that down, didn't he? Obviously, collided with the right, it's not really a barrier, is it, but like the,

whatever. Yeah, like the bollard. He collides with that. I, yeah, a little touch and go. I thought that's at least, if he's having to slow down still locking up over the line, I feel like you spread it.

in the pit leg. But clearly you did it. It's one of those where if it's being investigated, it's a slam dunk penalty because they have the data to basically say, yes, he did it or no, he didn't. So it's got to be one of those where he didn't. Yeah, I mean, well done to him. It's slowed down right at the last moment. But interesting. Interesting. Let's take our final break on this episode. We've got Moment of the Race right after this. Welcome back to the final part of today's Italian Grand Prix review. And that of course means we're going to do Moment of the race. Before we get to some discord submissions, we will of course give our own moment of the race. So what have you got, Sam? I'm going to be really, really boring. I'm going to say that it was

Michelle LeClauerre won't in the race. It was bloody awesome. It was so good. I live for those moments in F1. Hearing him scream over the radio in full Italian, that's the passion I live for in Formula One. And I loved it. I loved every second of it. So that for me was by far one of the best moments of the season. Let me in the moment of the race. I loved it. I'll be a bit more particular about it and say, I loved the crowd's reaction to it. Oh, the noise. It was the noise,

but it was not only that, it was the buildup of the noise. So it was the realization that like nine laps to go, this could be on. And you start to hear sort of the crowd ramping up a bit. And then like five laps to go or six or five laps to go, it's really quite loud. And you're at that point,

you're like, oh God, this is going to be like booming with two or two laps to go one lap to go and it was um yeah like 50 he crossed the line and you heard them erupt and i was like wow that is at the moment it was um it was quite telling as well when whenever like the sky sports commentary team went to ted cravitz who obviously has audio in the in the pit lane yeah and you could hear charles lecler go past and the crowd reaction like it it somewhat comes across like when they're not in like just normal broadcast mode but when they go to the pit lane and you can hear it quite raw. Like that's where it was really telling.

It really shows you what Ferrari means to Italy. Yes, it really does. I'll throw something different out there. I'll just say the Piastri overtake because I thought that was sublime. Now, I think that'll end up going under the radar this season. I think because he didn't get the wing or anything, I wonder how many people are going to forget just how bloody good that overtake was. that's of course our moments of the race

but we now need to hear the infamous bong of Google meet as we go to as we go to screen share and find out some of these other ones oh yeah I definitely didn't forget that I had to do that actually so please hold call it as I now get that in place was that the bong did you hear the bong bong good good good good I forgot because harry's not here that I have to take charge of this good stuff

right we're here we're here oh there's my Oh, sorry, everyone. People can't even see that. That's really funny, but my toes are wrong Discord. It's literally only bad for me. Sorry, man. Okay, we hear from you. If you want to be heard in your submissions,

you can join the Discord. We do this before every race preview and after every race for the review. So get involved. You'll hear yourself on the podcast, and we love hearing what you have to say. So first up, fry up the sausages Barry. It's going on and everybody.

Fry up the sausages Barry here. and yes, Cruffy, I get sticky nuts when it gets hot too. I hoped it wouldn't come up. Even I haven't said it yet. Again, hate to nitpick. What's the moment of the race? Yeah, that's true. That can't be it.

Sean is sticking nuts. I mean, if we fair, we've had far worse, the race. That's true. Sticking nuts is bad. Coming up next is Brackett Dom. What's up late break in game? Brackett Dom back again.

I think the moment of the race had to be something that happened off-screen. that we didn't even see after Leclair crossed the finish line. How about Kevin Magnuson holding off a 10-second gap over Alonzo to still get points in a Haas with a 10-second penalty? That is absolutely nuts. You shouldn't score in a Haas without a penalty, and he scored in one with one. Good for K-Mag.

It's a fair point. They have the place today, and he's still delivered. Mega-stint that was completely unnecessary, but also was necessary. It's an odd one, but yes, he was very quick. He ended up costing himself one point. Yes.

It's not bad, really. All right. Come up next because a fan favorite of ours. It's Norm. Oh, hello, my late breaking friends from across Lay Big Wet. It is I. Norm from Texas, and I'm here

to give my moment of the race and my moment of the race is... Bear with me, folks. You're going to say something shocking. Ferrari strategy call. Oh. Yeah, let it sink in. Anyway, keep brick and late.

The anticipation was killing me. The suspects. It was better than a horror film. Crikey. Fair playing on. Yeah, we don't often see a good Ferrari strategy. You call it. Ending up being the race wing for them today.

Moving on, we have Inferno Jim. I've seen, lads. What can we say moment in the race is Charlobolica, the clara bollica? No. No. Sneaky, tire whispering like a legend. and delighted me and everybody in the world that loves the Italian,

absolute banger of a national anthem. Go, it was good here in that anthem a couple of times. What did you call him? Charabolica la parabolica. I've seen, lads, what can we say moment in the race is charlabolica le clara bollica? Charlebolica, le clalabolica. I don't do this often, Inferno, Jim,

but he's got the gags out Jim you're getting gunges I'm sorry Jim but thank you for the submission we appreciate it up next is the BAD the big American daddy this is big American daddy my moment of the race why in God's name did they pit Oscar Piaastry

they McLaren coming to the front again by snatching defeat from the jaws of victory you guys keep going and Max just may be able to keep the championship again not sure it's a moment of the race but an analysis

so that I can understand I mean it's it can be argued it's a big time fumble it'll be it's meaningful if we get seeing in the title there's a few points in it that could be the reason why

one of our favorite names in Discord coming out next and it is Dorito Dust what's going on boys it's Ben's favorite name here Dorito dust. My moment of the race is Piaastri on lap 1.

He's a little cheeky there. I like it. My least favorite moment of the race is Sonoda. I feel like he always has bad luck. I love the little guy, but I know. The universe doesn't. All right. Peace.

Yeah, you can't help but root for the little guy. And in this sense, it's literally Sonoda. Bless him. He really can't catch a break at this circuit. No, it's a tough time for him. Up next is Ben Roby, first time. Time Subby. Ben here from Idaho, first time submitter.

A moment of the race was Red Bull, just looking like a mid-tier team all around. Verstappen punching the steering wheel in the pit lane. And the announcer saying, he's had plenty of practice of that this weekend. And then Norris coming up behind him and Verstappen asking, should I race him? Yeah. Yeah, he should. I mean, you should probably take him out.

Like, that'll help. To be honest, not that it sports would like, but it will make sense, right? It would make sense to do such a thing. Oh, God, I'm joking, I promise. I don't mean that. So we're all aware, Ben thinks that the Stappen taking out Norris every race

for the rest of the season is the correct move. Good. Come on, just think of it, Max. Not heard of this guy before. Ben, do you know this one? He looks a bit dodgy. We can always get him out afterwards. All right, fine.

Harry, I think is how you say this. Hello, everyone. It's Hallie and Harry here. Sorry, I'm not on the podcast, but I thought I'd just chucking a submission for my moment at the race. It has to be Ferrari doing a strategy. We need to, like, conduct an investigation

because that was, I think they might have hired Ross Braun back because that was core 2000s Ferrari, right? there. I thought I was, you know, I was eight years old again and it was Michael Schumacher. It was excellent stuff. Charle LeCler, you are a god. And that was just excellent. Bye. He's close, but it's not Ross Braun. The last time that Shao LeCler won the Italian Grand Prix, who was team principal?

Matea Bonotto. Who was there today? Who was there today? He was there. Matea Benoso, yes, he is the man. I'm too fair. At least I didn't win it with a scuba engine this time. I actually thought about it. Don't say it too early. Give it a few months.

I think it's toned it down by a few percent this time. Up next is Inspector Seb. Hey guys. Inspector Seb here. It's been a long time between submissions for me. But I need us to come out of the woodwork and cry in Australian. I'm so, so happy for the Tafosi. But McLaren, what are you doing? Moment of the race.

pitting Oscar. Why? Why? To be fair, like, did you hear his post-race interview? He was gutted. Yeah, you see the look on his face. He was like it hurts, right? P2 always hurts.

I still think he's reacting appropriately, right? He gave a reaction. He was like, I care about this. It's a shame, but we were out class today on strategy. I think it hurt him because, obviously, he somewhat made the call over Team Radio to say, I'm not sure my front left can do this or I'm not sure these tires can go until the end

and I think he will be thinking afterwards seeing what LeClair did maybe I could have done Do you think that was the other strategy? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a shame. That is a shame. When they cry in Australia,

did the tears go up? Who's next? SoCal Cheng. Lovely to hear from you again. Hey, it's Jen from SoCal. Moment of the Race. I have two. Nika Rosberg really trying to get a rise out of Lando

during the post-raced interview. He did not bite, but he sure looked depressed. And what about the cool down room? Awkward. Join the Patreon. It was awkward. It was a little bit awkward. I feel like, you know, when you go somewhere with your friend

and one of your friends knows someone else but you've never met them? I feel like, I feel like Oscar Orlando went somewhere together and Oscar's other friends had turned up and Lando sat there like, oh, don't like you. You're not my friend and what's going to talk to you?

So Oscar had to make lots of polite conversation. Yeah, I reckon so. Also, this is not something we're going to get into today, but we absolutely will. Nico Rosberg being offered a piece of Alpine is the best news of the weekend. Like, what's that real? Was it genuinely real?

Oh, it's Alpine, it's real. Like, of course it's real. Yeah, that was very entertaining FP3 content, but Let's just pretend it's really, if you can fit so. Yeah, sure. And the final submission for today, and again, thank you to all of you. We've got so many submissions and what surprise after such a belter. We can't play them all.

I'm sure you understand. But thank you so much for one that has submitting. Final one, Blaisey. Hello, boys. Hope you're doing well. What an Italian Grand Prix. I loved it. moment of the race

has to be I think it was Landos team radio where his engineer goes papaya rolls as if McLaren couldn't get any more uncool

but shout out Charlotte LeCler I love the fact that I heard the Italian national anthem twice Forza Ferrari let's go so right So try

rules God I hate papaya rules so much. I didn't realize quite how much I hate it but I really do. I really hate it.

I probably going to have to hear that a lot for the rest of this season as well. If Harry was here he'd sign off by going and I'd been papaya rules. He probably would.

He probably would. That's going to do it for today's episode. Review of the Italian GP in the books. We don't have a race coming up next weekend but there is still plenty

to talk about so I reckon we'll be back on Wednesday. If you look at the history, I'd say it points to us being back on Wednesday. Yeah. Maybe. Harry might be here too.

Who knows? We'll see if he turns up. Folks, thanks for listening. I'm one bold point, Richard after today. And I've had a lovely, lovely time. I hope you have to.

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