The Late Braking F1 Podcast - 2025 United States GP Race Review

Episode Date: October 20, 2025

Join the LB boys in breaking down the US GP - from the strong comeback of Verstappen who edges further into championship contention, to Leclerc's defensive masterclass and Piastri nowhere to be seen, as well as the incidents witnessed from the stands! FOLLOW us on socials! You can find us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠X (Twitter)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUPPORT our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for bonus episodes JOIN our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Discord⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ community JOIN our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠F1 Fantasy League⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ EMAIL us at [e-mail]   & SUBSCRIBE to our podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to check out new episodes every Wednesday and every Sunday. Welcome to the late breaking F1 podcast presented by Harry Ead, Sam Sage, and me, Ben Hocking. We are reviewing the United States Grand Prix, the first Grand Prix of the season that we've been to in person. So we've got to see it all unfold in front of us. And here we are trying to piece it all together.

but make sure we haven't left anything out to give you guys a wonderful race review. A wonderful race review indeed. We're definitely not very tired and hungover. And we are definitely not very somber to be leaving very, very soon. We had a good time though, didn't we? A great race, good seats. We saw a lot of the action, which is great fun. I think Cota do it really well. The track is set up really nicely. It's really easy to get to a lot of the amenities, the food options are pretty good.

Love the mango refresher. Oh, my Lord. So much mango. and so much refreshing. So refreshed after the mango refresher. And I do think that I would return. Do you do? I do declare.

I will come again. Yeah, sure. 10 out of 10 would visit again. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the shuttle was a little bit more slow. I think it was busier again this year. Well, they were obviously hyping it up, but it was a busy old day, especially yesterday.

Yes, that it was. And it be hot. I think the race day was a little less hot than sprint Saturday and qualifying Saturday, which probably pleased a couple of the teams that were trying to manage tyres. And strategically, we'll get into that a little bit later on because you had the one gap tire compound to deal with. And we were very intrigued going into it. Would we see some two stops? Would we see some one stops?

Would it be a balance of two? So, yeah, I think the, I'm just going to say the lack of heat. It was definitely no lack of heat. But compared to the Saturday, at least, that might have helped a few drivers, a few teams. Let's start with Max Verstappen because he had an absolutely flawless weekend, as Sam points to Max Verkan, who is just the front of his Mike. Sorry. Ben Quacken. Ben Quacken to give him his full government name.

Vastappen had a perfect weekend, two pole positions, the sprint win, and most importantly, the main. win. We now have just 40 points separating himself and Oscar Piastri at the top of the championship. Sam, how impressed were you with what the Staffen was able to do? No real threat. No real threat at all. The only thing he didn't achieve this weekend was claiming the fastest lap in the main Grand Prix, which is a pretty incredible feat. Everybody's perfect. I saw the F1 graphic come out on social, which, hey, look, if that's the only thing you don't pick up, not even a point for that anymore. You've got to pack yourself on the back. Max Verstappen be looking very happy these days. You see, look, and smiley boy.

And rightly so, because not only has the car returned to form, and they have clearly continued that development through under Lauren Meckis in the final part of this season, and rightly so, because it's starting to pay dividends. It shows you just that when Max O'S Staffen gets a car that he suits, he's able to deliver excellence. He was never in doubt as to whether he could get away and run away with this race. The start was probably the scariest thing for him. And with Coat of Turn 1, and if you've never stood on that racetrack,

the height of that corner, he's just suburb. line. It is awe-inspiring at how tall that corner is. That is the scariest part for him. He got through cleanly. There was no problem. There was no drama. Got away from the crowd behind that we're trying to catch up to him. Absolutely no trouble whatsoever. Strategy was executed flawlessly, poured away from the Norris to Clairbattle, which I do think helped a little bit. I think had Norris go away cleanly in turn two and not had to end up battling with those around him, we may have seen a little bit more of a threat, but the pace of the staple was just, you know, next level. Incredible. They've really

developed a car there now that I do think might be right there with McLaren. I'm not sure it's the best car. We spoke about this, Ben, how if Norris's best three sectors were put together, he probably would have had a lap to beat the Stappen, but was unable to do so, whereas Max is able to deliver so regularly, so consistently. But for me, that is the ultimate package once again. It's for Staping and that Red Bull is the perfect duo. They've got a little more development to come, which is actually the scary part of what's left

in the season. Terrifying. I mean, Harry, we were talking about how the gap between Verstappen and Piastri was not that long ago over 100 points, 104 points, and we're now looking at 40 points. And that's just four races, that's it. We saw Monza, we saw Baku, not necessarily expecting a dominant,

the Stapin win, but less surprised than other circuits so far this year. Singapore was weird. Coming into this one, we thought, okay, if he's got some pace here, look out McLaren. Is that where you think they'll be at right now? Yeah, I think we use the phrase, oh boy, on our preview episode. Yeah, it's been this whatever analogy you want to use,

whether it's a dinosaur or jaws. I'm really sick of hearing about Maxishton. I'm sorry not going to use that. is hunting them down and if I was Norris and Piastri particularly Piastri obviously the one in the lead I'd be nervous this would and like it's obviously

F1 is a massive psychological game that in itself that element of he's gained 64 points in me in four races oh damn it's gonna have him worried we'll have both of them worried so yeah it's it's been a huge comeback so far

from from Verstappen and like said because I think we obviously said it for if it was good in Singapore versus Baku Monza which it was then I think is watch out but given we've now got to four very different circuits

this one we thought should have given previous ones should really have been a McLaren McClaren favourite the big long high speed corners should have been their gig and they obviously were up there but Vastappen was better so it's a worrying sign

for Norris and Piastri. I think Norris was quite resigned to the fact that they just weren't as quick and may not be as quick for the remainder of the season. I don't believe that. I don't believe that. The part of it is because Verstappen is the difference. Yeah.

But I think that that's, again, part of it. And it's the psychological pressure that, well, we're not as quick as him. The scary part being that Verstappen now has as many race wings this season as Norris. So in theory, we're going to count back if they finished by the end of the season, if they ending up because of how well he's done. And we now go to Mexico, which is what, Red Bull's favourite holiday destination.

They are terrifyingly good at Mexico. Yeah. I was super impressed by Vastappen all weekend long. I just think, similar to what you just said, Sam, I'm not convinced that Red Bull, the Vestappan Red Bull combination was just lights out quicker than everyone else.

I think this was a tale of execution. Like, they executed this weekend. perfectly. What you've already referenced with the qualifying lap, if Norris does put together his three best sectors, he gets pole position. And it's the finest of margins, but that dictates the race from there because the Stappan is out in front. He just needs to get that first corner right, which he does.

Like, he has a very clear plan of, I'm going to get to the inside, make sure no one is going to do a Landstrel from the sprint race. And he executed that perfectly. we didn't even see compared to the sprint race where he was under a bit of pressure from George Russell. We didn't even see that during the main race. And I just think that he was able to dictate it from there. He won by just under 10 seconds. Could it have been more quite possibly?

But he just didn't need it for that. He didn't need that to be the case. Whereas his biggest rival pace-wise on the weekend, Lando Norris, he's the one that has to contend with another car that. starting on the soft tires. He's the one that's under threat into term one. And suddenly his race is no longer, how can I beat Vestappen?

It's how can I get past Leclerc, outstategize him, just to give myself a chance of Vestappen being the only car ahead of me. So I don't think pace-wise, there was a lot to choose between them. But Vastappan, as he so often does, is the guy just to rise above all of the,

I don't want to say, because it wasn't a chaotic Grand Prix, but all he had to work on was, how do I win this race? He didn't have to think about anything else. So I was very impressed. The one thing I was thinking about strategically from Norris's side versus Vostappen,

if Vastappen was in Norris' position and Norris got pole, I think Vestappen starts on the soft compound tire. I think they, maybe again, similarly pace-wise, thinking if we can just get the lead out at the start, maybe that can be the difference. I think they try something. They gamble a little bit. Those tires held on a lot longer than we were expecting. They did. When we saw LeCler on those used softs at the start, we all

pulled this face, which you can't see on a podcast, which is great. But that is a face of, uh-oh. And then he was really, really good on them. And Ferrari this season have not been really, really good on their tyres. So if they made those softs to ask, imagine how long the start? Imagine how long the or even the McLaren would be able to make them last. I think Norris is still in the, and McLaren are still in this mindset of, we've got to worry about Piastri, who's starting a few positions back,

we can't afford for something to go wrong. We need to play it strategically like down the middle. Safe as you can get. Yeah, which ultimately might have hurt him because he lost that position to LeClaire on the start and just spent so much time trying to get it back. I've had to overtake him twice, obviously. That Norris versus LeClair battle, Harry,

was one of the highlights of the Grand Prix. It was essentially LeClaire hanging on for dear life and not quite being able to do so. He's still one driver of the day, so I think around the world people can respect the efforts of what he did. How did you see that battle unfold? Yeah, it was like Sam just said,

we were all a bit skeptical, won't we? When we were like, he's the only one on the softs in the top 10. But he made it work and credit to him, got the launch of the start and got in front of Norris, which was clearly the game plan. And then just held on for dear life. But with superb defending,

like his car placement was unreal. And I think sort of outshorn Norris in that respect, I think Norris probably will, I know he was downplaying the chances of trying to catch for Sapon, which is maybe fair. But if you wanted any chance to catch him, he had to try and get back. He should have got back past, you know,

in those early laps. been a bit more decisive. But that's not too much of a criticism to Norris. It was just excellent defending from, from Lecler. But not only doing that, but making the tires last as long as he did was a great effort. It was maybe the most, you know, like effort put in versus reward. So much effort put in for the same, like he might have well have got the same thing anyway. The time of the day.

Started third, finished third. Exactly. So he may well have got third place. Had he just gone down the normal, you know, medium, starting the medium tyre and go from there. But credit to them for trying something different at Ferrari that actually worked for once. I think they did well to split their strategy.

I think it was a right call. Hamilton was solid on the other strategy. It didn't have the overall pace I thought of LeCler. But he was always a constant threat. So that battle in front, right? If anything happened, Hamilton's immediately there to be on it. He kept Piastri off the entire Grand Prix really well, got a bad launch, but a better start overall by getting in front of the likes of Russell as well.

It was a really solid Grand Prix from Ferrari, which I'm quite surprised at we're saying. I can't pick too many holes in anything that they did. So fair play. I think they walked away with what the car was able to do. It was a great battle to watch because it was right in front of us for a large portion of it. We were at turn 12. There was one instance where Lecler, his car placement, as he just said, said, Harry, like, his placement into turn, or the exit at turn 13, when Norris had a bit of a

sniff and he just knew exactly what to do just to shut that down there and then. I thought it was great. And I think both stints kind of worked out in a very similar way where it felt like, okay, Norris is catching. Okay, Norris is going to get, but he doesn't quite manage it at this lap. He'll get it next lap. And then suddenly LeCler kind of finds a second burst of energy. And he still gets it done, but it takes him a lot longer than we think it's going to. Same thing then happens in the second stint. It looks like early on, okay, he's probably got this. And then Leclair is able to at least pull away for a little bit, just extending that battle.

The results the same in that Norris gets by, but it did mean that his hopes of competing with Verstappen were essentially zero. I thought the way Lecler cut through the traffic after his pit stop was really crucial. He did it really clinically. He got to the back of Hulk super quick, got the... move done. Same with Sonoda. These aren't, I mean, Hulk's a bit different.

It was overachieving, I think, this weekend, despite the incident that happened in the spring. But he was driving so well. But to get through the likes of Senoga around him and stuff like that, you know, Russell as well, like it was pacey, it was quick. He was on the ball. And that made it so much of a bigger problem for the likes of Norris to then get back into second.

I don't think they're expecting that undercut to be so potent, to have so much strength to it. So fair play to look like a great, brilliant race. I thought Norris did a good job at a. attacking Lecler. I do want to see him be just a little bit more clinical with his wheelch wheel racing.

It took a little longer than I expected for him to get by. Yeah. And again, thinking about the championship, that is surely in the back of his head when he's,

when he's contemplating these overtakes. Do McLaren have to pick a driver at some point? Are they at risk of losing it? I mean, they're at risk of losing it. I don't could.

Yeah, how would they pick? And if you're, I just don't think it will matter because, I mean, it is McLaren, but like the person who isn't picked, why would they say yes? If you are a true champion, worthy champion, you don't back down regardless, right? You say, they don't care what you want to tell me on team orders. I'm going to just drive past them.

If McLaren went to Norris right now and said, we need to prioritize Piastri, I can't repeat what he should say. I don't believe in well, I think so. he would say no sir not for me not today I thought again going back to strategy because LeClaire I think that strategy was absolutely spot on I was worried like both of you early on as to whether it would be the right call

we had a virtual safety car early on and I remember Sam you were like should he take the opportunity to pit here and fair place Ferrari I think it worked out that they didn't I just, with the way those soft tires held on, it kind of, as the stints went on, it was like, okay, this has a good chance of working, LeClau's doing all right. And then he comes out for the second to him. You're like, oh, no, that was a really good call. Like, that has actually worked out well, and particularly with the overtaking through the traffic.

I am disappointed that it turned into such a one-stop race on the softer tires. It was clear the hard tire wasn't a usable tire, right? was terrible. I think Alba got off it within three or four laps. The moment the VSC came out, he was like, see you later. Thank you. Don't want it. Terrible tie. The soft tie was by far too usable for such a hot condition. You think it should melt away. Lastly for half the Grand Prix. We saw that the way in which these drivers went about this race and we kind of commented on this was the Staffan only started to lap a couple of cars in the last few laps. It seemed to be a fairly slow-paced Grand Prix

and that was the choice rather than going for that attacking two-stop, which... Yay! We had a two-stop here last year, didn't we? Yeah. Yeah.

It was fun. It was a good race. We enjoyed it because we saw the action in front of us. I can imagine on TV it might be a bit of a snoozer. And I wonder how many they didn't actually show. We all that TV direction's been like this. But just a shout on TV direction, because I think I mentioned this when we were sat on the stands,

but I've seen on social afterwards, F1 basically followed everyone across the line. There was no cutting away to garages because obviously they took quite a big, quite a big hit after Singapore where every shot was followed by a picture of a family or girlfriend. Celebrating, which is like, yeah, we get it. I did enjoy the, which we get into a bearman spinning and then it cutting to his dad in a massive stetson. Gigantic hat. It's so big. That's unnecessarily huge.

Huge. Big hat for a big spit. I hope that every time they cut back to them, it will grow. It's the side of the garage and you can't see around them. Right, that's going to do it for the first part of this review. We've covered off those that finished on the podium, but still plenty to get to right after this. Welcome back to the second part of today's review of the United States Grand Prix. We've covered off the top three positions that included,

One of the McLarence, that'd be in Lano Norris, but it did not include Oscar Piastri, who at a difficult weekend, only walked away with fifth place after qualifying sixth, didn't seem like much of a threat for the pole positions that we had. Obviously, the sprint race didn't go very well either for him. I know Baku is obviously his worst weekend of the year and it's not close based on how that first lap went. But in terms of outright pace, was this his worst? this weekend? I think so.

I think comparable to Monaco, it's those two for me that stand out as this really off the boil, knowing in Norris, and it felt like Piastri was struggling with tyres this weekend. It felt like you either couldn't get the tires in the right window

to maximise the performance, which meant the balance was off, or during the Grand Prix, he saw increased wearing, which Norris and those around him weren't struggling with, and that meant that actually his pace again was off.

He couldn't closing on Hamilton, who was far off the likes of Norris and Lecler. He was barely keeping Russell behind him in that fight as well. Russell was very close from the entire Grand Prix. It just felt like he was driving a big of a different car to Norris this weekend.

Never had the pace of challenge. Norris or Vastappen. And that is worrying. He came up with that press statement that said, you know, I'd rather be where I am, I'd rather be in my position than where they are

as the League of the Championship. Don't know how much longer are you going to be the League of the Championship for if you keep driving like this, mate, because it's been a pretty poor run of performances from Oscar Piastri. Yeah, I mean, someone told me that he went by us

56 times, you know, today and I don't believe him. I don't have seen once. No, we've lost him. We've lost him. A bit stinky, isn't it? A bit wiffy. Bit wiffy.

And I guess unusually wiffy for if we're excluding Baku here. But it was, you're right, because Baku was just kept crashing. Just kept crashing all the time. But hard to know whether he actually had the pace or not there.

Whereas here, he just wasn't quick, especially relative to Norris, and didn't look like it all weekend. Obviously, they were near each other in the sprint race. Too near, it turns out. But I just, yeah, he'd never really look like a real threat for the, well, for even the podium. So it's not been a great, since the summer,

it's been up and down for Piastri in a way that it wasn't before the summer, the first half of the season. Yeah, what, last wing was Zandvalk? Has he had a podium? Yes, he has since there. right? I don't know. He's gone,

I thought he'd gone three races without a podium. Might be. You can tell what I'm other folks. I cannot remember any stance. I'm so impressed. The duck is still there,

but I am not moving. The duck is firmly placed upon my mic stand. Wow. At least they can do something right, eh? Hey, come on now. Don't be rude to the duck. I won't be rude to the duck.

Out of context, I don't know. I just thought Piastri was completely lacking all weekend. And we have seen on occasion he hasn't quite been on it in FP1 or FP2. And he's kind of pulled it together as we've got towards the closing stages of qualifying. And then we head to the race. We find out he's got pretty good race pace. And he goes on and wins or gets a podium.

And it just never materialized. And that is one of the, it's not really a disadvantage of. the sprint, but it's just one of the things you have to bear in mind is that if you aren't on it straight away, recovering it can be trickier, particularly when all of your rivals have had at least like one stints worth of practice with the sprint race. They are working out tires, you know, what the wear is like, they're working out what the optimal lines are. I mean, we saw with turn 12, for example, not a real mistake in the same line. And I'm not even convinced it was some drivers just missing the apex.

I think some were kind of intentionally just... Initially, we went, oh, a bit wide. But then... Parfing the Alpins. Half in the Alps, which generally just not doing... Or Hajar for the first, like, five laps. At least the corner, every lap. But many drivers, you're right, were taking a wide apex

and choosing not to hit the apex. Yeah. And it just, as soon as the... As soon as the race started and, you know, he made a bit of progress, obviously, but... And as soon as he couldn't keep up with Hamilton and it's not like his teammate, for example, Norris was clearly been slowed down by Yankler. Like he would have been comfortably ahead of him if it stayed ahead of him at the start.

And you feel like in that situation there's an opportunity for Piastri to close in. I guess a bit similar to what happened in Singapore, right, with Vastap and Norris. And he just didn't. And there was a point where it looked like the undercut was very much on from Roaston. Russell's perspective on Piastri, we saw he had a massive lockup right in front of us as he got close. If he doesn't have that, he might well... It's touch and go. Yeah. Piastri had to protect against the undercut with his pit stop. But we even saw it with Hamilton against Lecler, right? When the tyres dig start to die,

those soft ties, Hamilton, obviously, the Clare makes the mistake through the S's, but Hamilton was gaining anyway, gets the move done. LeCleur has to come into the pits, essentially. We never saw that with Piazre at any point? He ever started to pull the gap back? It just, only at the end, we see Piastri right behind Hamilton, and that felt like Hamilton are backed off completely. I think it's good for Piastri that he can go straight into another race weekend. Yeah. Just... He needs a bad run.

He needs something to go his way. Just burn this one from the memory and just straight on to Mexico. I think that is... That will be good for him. But we'll see how McClan Fair's there? We just don't know anymore. Which I love. I love it when we get to a championship fight.

You go into every race not knowing. Would it be one of the best comebacks of all time if it's happened? wins this. It would be the best comeback of all time. Do you think so? Yeah. Yeah.

We're in for something. You've got a hundred and four points down four races ago. Oh, it's going to be juicy. Josie. Josie. Like an orange. Sure.

Well, I mean, the Stappan might well be in the championship fight. Jimmy my well. He's there. Wow, exactly. And the McLaren's too. but Mercedes aren't in that fight because they haven't been consistent enough this year

we went into this race asking could they after what was an excellent result in Singapore back that up with something at Cota, a very different track? No. Yeah, my ball prediction went really well which we'll review in a minute.

Yeah, just you know, going back to normal for Mercedes on that front. I'm not sure, whether it was a, I just think they had overall pace, did they really, to be honest. I know Russell obviously got second in the sprint, but he just just... You're good in the sprint? Yeah, we was just avoiding the carnage, wasn't he?

And things of the sprint, you don't, not, anyway, not to get onto sprints, but you never really get a good judge of the pace, because they're not doing the same management that they do in a normal race. Some would say that is the appeal of the sprint. Yeah, but it sucks. Some would, oh. Yeah. But, yeah, just, they just never really ultimate. me looked like they had had the pace. They were the slowest of

McClare and Red Bull and Ferrari, which is an unusual thing to say. I know Snowda wasn't there quite, but... At least he was seventh. Yes. But yeah, just, yeah, back to normal after the anomaly of being good in Singapore. I think it looked worse because of what happened to Kimmy

with Shunfrey. Oh, yeah. It made their result much worse. But it's very telling that team Max Verstappen is now only 10 points behind this Ferrari, Mercedes fight for second place, because there's no consistency with these cars. They're not able to solidify themselves

as that second favourite regularly enough. And Russell lacking in pace, answering only out the points, this was a good weekend for Ferrari, and it flops the other way, whereas Mercedes aren't very good. It's just no consistency to their game at the moment. And any time there is any heat,

we said this so many times now, proving it once again, they just cannot deal with these ultra-worn preys. And there are a few of them coming up. Singapore. They want it. They will probably also win Vegas. Just too angry of the old.

Yeah, it's just very cold. If it doesn't make sense, Mercedes will do it. That is their motto. Yeah, they were just kind of there, weren't they? And not competing at the very front, which was disappointing because I think George Russell in that fight would have made it even better. But ultimately just didn't quite have it. I think with the sprint, he probably attacked quite a lot early on.

We saw he had the opportunity to get. get by the stab and went too deep into turn 12, didn't make it stick. But I think with the carnage that had gone on behind, he kind of had a bit of flexibility to do that. He could attack and not face too many repercussions if it came back to buy him. If he was really struggling with the tyres in the last five laps, he could probably just hold on and claim second. And if it dropped a position, it'd have only lost one point because spring spay. But yeah, I think then going into the main race, it just unfolded quite quickly that over a full race distance, over a full stint with those hot temperatures, just not quite enough.

But yeah, like you said, they'll be quick somewhere else this season. Just don't know where and why. It'd be interesting to see if they ever come this with the new regulations, because this has been a struggle for them now for a couple of seasons. so with the new cars if they're able to readap and work this out or if it's a long-term issue, then they're going to find. Because it's holding them back. Do you think they've just always been good but don't understand why

and it was really, really lucky in the... Just rocking up again. Enging is amazing. Everything else sucks. They're not being serious, obviously, but it is strange, isn't it? It continues to baffle them. How can't you that stodling for that long and you still can't work this out? Yeah, interesting.

It is odd, very odd. We'll focus a bit on Antonelli's Crash with Carlos Sines a little bit later on in the episode. But shall we shift our attention to driver of the day? The verdict is in. You're the driver of the day. You're the driver of the day. You're good at driving. You are good at driving, yes.

We love it. Good driving. Now, Charles Lecler won the public vote after starting third and finishing third. Did they get your vote, Sam? Totally fair, Shal, respect it, not going to go with it. Max Verstappen for me. It was just dominance again by Max Verstappen. The calmness, the ability to manage those tyres.

I still don't think the car is the fastest car. So delivering that level of pace, it helped that LeCleur was so good in defence over Norris to build that gap. But then when that happened, the gap never really. change anyway once scorers he'd get through so yeah for stopping for me incredible weekend harry yeah i go for stappen as well um leclair it's definitely the other main contender for me um i'd shout out holcombberg as well uh but yeah uh vestappen was just superb all weekend uh and you know particularly in the race as well as as mentioned just did all he had to do but yeah ran off and hid up the road so yeah pretty easy one. Yeah, I mean, those three are the contenders for me. LeCloire was brilliant,

even if on paper it doesn't look brilliant. You know, it looked like he just held position, but the way in which he got there, I think he is deserving of a shout. I'd also say Holkenberg because he's been missing for a while. Harry's been asking the question for a long time. We found him. He's been putting posters up down the road. And all it took was for you to be here, to see him in person. He's like, now I've got reason, I've got incentive to do well. He mullered,

bought a letter this weekend. He did. Like a corner. Absolutely mullered him. Maybe it is me, because I did go to Silverston on the Friday last year. This year, sorry.

Yeah, driver of the day was Vastapin for me as well, though, so it's a clean sweep. From Driver of the Day to Worst Driver of the Day. Get in the bin, bin, bin, bin, bin, worst driver of the day. Worst driver of the day

You stuck at driving I don't know if it's fingered because you've left it on the thing Oh yeah, sorry Okay, cool Just really letting that one linger Worst driver of the day Stinky

Carlos Sites Yeah Just crashed straight You're the back at that one There were some other contenders But I'm going to leave it to you guys Real opportunity You score fantastic points

We're having a really strong weekend the Williams actually look like it can be quite good around here. Just don't drive into someone, pal. Harry? Yeah, Carlos signs. It's just more than the frustration of it because, yeah, like you say, he was having a good, really good weekend. I was making moves because he did that same move on Berman on one of the opening laps.

And it was super. This one just didn't quite, he wasn't quite in the same position. And, yeah, punted Antonolene to oblivion. So sorry, Carlos. I see your one Williams and I will raise you another Williams. Not a great race for them. Alex Albin I'll go with because that was a clumsy, clumsy one in front of us at turn 12.

He was playing catch up from there really. And all weekend, I kind of felt Carlos Sines had a bit of a pace advantage, even with Carlos Sines, not being able to complete like nearly all of the only free practice session. But from there, we saw obviously a different situation, but Antonelli trying to work his way back into the points,

close, but not quite there. And Alex Albin kind of always felt a couple of steps behind even that. So not a great weekend for him, struggled with track limits a bit as well. Big brain strat. What? What? It's not even raining now.

What are you talking? Behind the scenes, folks, we can't hear these. playing. I really hope you are so out of time with the cross as well. Harry, what was your big brain strap? Fernando Alonso and his... He's a little rascal in.

He was in P10, got P10 after sort of the... Because he didn't have a great start, but stops all played out, made a couple of moves to Bortolethe's kneecaps along the way. Yeah, I was on for a point, but he was never catching Berman and Holgerberg. So then he just sat. Lawson and Stroll

in his DRS lap after lap after lap and I even turned to Ben, during the race, I was like, is Alonzo slow or is he just playing a game? And you're like, what do you think? And yeah, lo and behold, we got to about 10 you know, 8 to 10 laps before the end. And Alonzo was like, I'll border that game now,

bye. I think it was, it wasn't just boredom, I think it's deliberate tactic, but I loved it. I am going to go with Oconidas because they really messed that up. They decided to start him on the hard tire, which just proved to be an awful, awful tire.

To the point where he was off of the hard tires earlier than most other drivers were off of the medium tires. I think some even like stroll went longer on the soft tire than O'Con did on the hard tire because he just couldn't find any pace. And I should have found exactly what the post-race team radio was to his race engineer.

but he is paraphrasing he kind of just says why are you doing this to be why me in french yeah i'll need to find what the exact quote was but he wasn't very happy about that strategy and i understand why well when bearman clearly has a car to fight in the points and he's lingering back there it's not ideal uh i'm going to go lecler the ferrari's track i genuinely think that was a fantastic play i think it worked really well for them and i thought they were always fighting an uphill battle to try and fight with Norrisom to snapping anyway, put themselves in the best position to do so, nearly worked out. Okay, well, that's going to do it for Big Brain Strat, and that's going to do it for the second part

of this episode. On the other side, we've got a couple of incidents to review. Look, everyone. An eventful race yesterday at Kota means we do have a few incidents to review, and both of them, the significant ones happened not very far from us at 10, which we had a nice view of. let's start with the one that happened first, Antonelli and Carlos Sines. So Anteneli and Sines both in the points looking like they can deliver a good race for their respective teams. And all of a sudden, Carlos Sines trying to move on Antonelli into term 15 does not go well with signs going into the side of Antonelli.

I think we probably fought at the time that's race done for Kimmy, but clearly not enough damage to make that a permanent retirement. Carlos Sines, though, did need to park up and he was the only DNF in this Grand Prix. Sines has received a five-place grip penalty as a result of the move for the next race. Do you agree with the penalty? Do you think it was on Sons? Yeah, fully with the penalty. If this was the other way around, if Antingale had done this because Sites, I've gone, rookie move, proper rookie move.

Just didn't get the cup that right. And it was really bad from Carlos Sines. The angle of 2 of 15 is a really interesting one in the sense that you almost can take that corner, like three or four different ways. And you have to really judge when you're going to be a long. side because you've seen incidents like this before where cars will clatter into the side of one or the other or they'll hit the back of the other and this is done by carlo's science again it's really clumsy poorly executed and we saw some great switchback moves actually through that corner from a lot of drivers

i think actually albon put on a fantastic move around the outside of ocon i think it was um or maybe it's one of the out of the alp it's tough to see when you're looking across three corners um so it can be done carlo scyx though hi it's just clumsy and he's gone straight to the back of him I'm amazed at that that Mercedes was able to finish the Grand Prix. I thought it was done for. So maybe Antenna wasn't going to have some damage and that limited his pace. But he did all right in the A show he didn't get back to the points.

Fully on Carla Sykes, a really poor point. So let you guys know what happened. Anton Elliott looked like he was going to retire just off the track. I then got out of my seat, shouted at him, you are in my fantasy team. Get going. I ain't taking the minus 20. And he decided to keep going.

So I don't want to talk about a family. I really don't want to talk about fantasy. Probably a good idea. I thought this was more clear cut at the time, and having seen it, I'm less sure about it. And the reason I'm less sure about it is the way in which, like, the corner immediately preceding 15 works, because you kind of got like the slight kink, right, and then you're into turn 15. going into the

proceeding sorry the corner before he is well behind like he's not alongside isn't entitled to room but by the time they get to 15 because of the sort of dive he made at 14

you could claim that he deserves the room it's an interesting one because most corners are very clear cut in that it's just one corner in isolation by itself have you done enough to get alongside but that complex

of corners is a bit more, it's a bit more complex because you've kind of got... You do a lot of this, don't you? Yeah, yeah. So I think it was on Carlos Seins, but I can see why he tried the move. Just, I feel like in that situation, I know you've got to go for everything that you see when you're a driver in a midfield car like a Williams, but... And I know if there's not too much riding on this season now for Williams, but... Just in terms of managing your race,

they didn't feel like it was a necessary move. Yeah, he didn't, like I said earlier on, he did the move on Berman of Lapp or two beforehand. Obviously, thought that was going to be his go-toe overtaking place. But you're right, it's a high-risk, low-reward move. Yeah, it was Carlos Lines' fault. But you're right, it is such a tricky one. And we'll get on to the other one in a minute,

but that corner presents different ways of attacking but different ways of defending and the way Fon cars are as well they're not as nimble as they used to be once you're committed to that you're not really getting out of it and I think signs had committed obviously the wrong call

but I think yeah his argument is that Antonelli moved or was yeah I didn't really see him coming but yeah overall I place it on signs and it was a shame for both their races. You mentioned high risk as part of that. I can raise you with something even higher risk,

and that was the Bearman and Sonoda incident we had at that corner that saw Bearman spin around and lose a position, still managed to finish inside the points, claimed two points for ninth place, but it looked like it could have been even more with him challenging Yuki Sonoda. Now, Oliver Bearman still is two penalty points away from a race ban, and we were listening to his post-qualifying

interview on the Saturday where he was like, as soon as a couple points go off my license, then you can, I'll get back to the real me. What was that, boy? I was going to say he saw an opening. I don't mean there was one, but he's over the grass. I love what he's having if that's an opening. I mean, the guy is advantageous at best, I think. This was a place where bear much just say thank you to Yuki Sengoda for his.

avoiding action. Because I think if Yuki hadn't avoided that and Berman had collecting him, oh, race back. See you later. Yeah. Yeah, that's done. He ended up having a spill on his own that Uki-Sodon kind of wasn't there for, rather than it being a two-car collision that wiped out two cars. I loved the ambition of the move,

shall we say, to put it politely. The pace that Berman was showing against Sondola was really fantastic. He was delivering something I wasn't expecting to see that gap come down time and time again. We commented on it during the race how much against him. out between the hearse and the red ball was coming down. It needs to be more patient. It needs to just hold station a little longer.

If the move isn't on, especially when you're that close to a race ban, don't be silly. Don't throw the car across the grass like that. That was a really rookie error. It's a shame as well because I do think he was on for a really, really strong points finish. I'm glad he's still got some points out of it.

It's fully on Behrman. I don't think Mewke closed the door. I don't think there was any foul play. He was fully ahead at that apex. It's just really bad car positioning from Beirman. I think he just, I think he lost it little bit. Yeah, I think maybe there's an element of he's going up against the Red Bull. I know it's not the Red Bull of the Stappen, and he just doesn't know if he's going to get another

opportunity, and maybe the desperation sort of kicks in as a result of that. Again, risky maneuver for someone as close to a race ban as he is. Yeah, we joked that he threw it on the grass just to avoid any sort of contact and get those penalty points. I think again it's that like I said just now with signs and an Antonile incident that corner he like he'd committed in his mind what he was going to do and there was a slight jink from Sonoda but it but it's um whereas with a normal just one corner if Sonoda was doing that sort of jink you'd say well he moved under breaking but it because it is a slight corner it's like kink in the road so it is entitled to do that. that and then by that point

Berman had already committed and had to throw it on the grass so wasn't really on wasn't really worth it and obviously he still he saw a good race still picked up points but he might have even more had he not had that spin because that dropped it down a couple of places

so yeah lucky to come away with points and no race ban well on Berman overall couple of races for Berman like his pace seems to be quite on it at the moment obviously qualifying you really performed. And yeah, his pace,

I thought his pace early on in the Grand Prix wasn't particularly great, but then it got better as the race went on. And we saw, even when he dropped back behind Holkenberg and Sonoda, all three of their pace look pretty similar for the rest of that Grand Prix. So, yeah, even with that near miss, a pretty good one for Berman. The other driver in that incident, Yuki Sonoda,

so he finishes inside the points, obviously a long way off where his team was about 50 seconds away, but it is two Red Bulls in the points, which has not been a given so far this year. Does it change anything? Was it a good performance, bad performance? What do you think? In the world of UK's saying, oh, this was a good performance. The last couple of Grand Prix have been his best pretty much since he's got into Red Bull. He's most consistent by far. I think we saw the stat that he's scored more in these two races than he has done in the last 12, something like that, which shows a real turning form for him. Unfortunately, that good form is 50 seconds of your

teammate while they're going on to win a race by nearly 10 seconds themselves. And when Red Bullough genuinely can take you for second place in the championship, and you'd argue with the car being this good, if they had a second driver, when we brought up Sergio Paris from 2021 debate that was going on on the internet, if they had a driver that was a bit more comfortable in that car that was able to deliver even 50% more, there's a real chance they might be fighting with McLaren across the whole season. The gap doesn't seem that big. So I was worried about how quickly the Berman caught him. Despite this being a really good performance for him where he scores good points, the pace just isn't there. He's just not able to deliver it across the whole Grand Prix.

He's being caught by significantly slower cars. He clearly doesn't have that confidence in the car anymore. And I do think it's too little too late. I would be shocked if the decision comes out, which apparently is going to be around against a couple of Grand Prix, that they are going to keep Yuki Sengager in that car. I would be really surprised, even with this upturning form. Yeah, I think that's fair enough. What do you make of Sonoda's performance?

Yeah, the thing is it is a good, it's a better performance for Sonoda, the past couple have, and it's all relative to what he's been doing. But if Sergio Perez was in that car and gear, you know, finishing 7th, whilst Stappen's winning, we'd rightly crucify him for that. So it's, yes, it's better, but it's not what Red Ball need. It was almost, you know, when the car wasn't good and the second seat was really struggling, It was almost some ways more forgivable because like, well, the car's not very good

and Vastapna is just making it look better. But obviously they've improved the red ball now, so Sonoda has to go along with it. So I hope you can build from that from a couple of, you know, okay performances. But it's even a P7 is not going to be enough to be keeping your seat, I don't think. When Perez was in the seat,

we were looking at 20 second gaps, 25 second gaps and saying you've got to be closer than that. You've got to get it down to single digits. We're not even anywhere near that number yet. It's double that. Yeah. Yeah, still work to do.

And you have to wonder whether, you know, he's still in the car, but are they really contemplating at this point? Who knows? In the midfield, I want to quickly focus on the team he used to race for racing balls. A bit of a nothing weekend for them. I feel like it was one of a,

of Adjah's worst of the season? He kind of never really got going. Lawson. No, I agree on the agile point. I mean, if you're going to have a bad weekend, have it on the weekend when the car is not able to do anything. It felt like they never really had the pace to compete with the midfield this time around. That's what you expect from racing balls.

They're never going to be a permanent, you know, fourth, fifth place team that's fighting for that kind of outside points every single race. They are a CISCA team. They're there to build up your own drivers. That is what they do at the base of things. So when they have these off weekends, they're still giving their drivers experience that is still the point.

But Hajar was rough this weekend. He was poor. He missed that, we said, turn 12, I think four times in a row, he missed that corner, off the track, locking the tyres up, was fighting with the Alpins for a long of the Grand Prix,

which took him a long time to get past, far too long to get past. I think Lawson had a pretty solid weekend, actually. I think whilst it's a shame he didn't score points, he was trapped in this battle with the Aston Martins, Fanio-a-Longed so absolutely playing games, which is fantastic to see. Benj from last year, isn't it?

Yeah, karma. I just think that, yeah, the car wasn't really there for them. I think this was good for Lawson. I don't think it will be enough, unfortunately, to sway opinions in the Red Bull higher-ups to make him get another chance, really. But this is what you want to see from a rookie driver, if you can see a call him that.

It's just consistency, delivering strong performances, even when the car isn't there. It was solid. Hagell was the one that needs to improve. What about Aston Martin? They kind of seem there or thereabouts. We've had a couple of very good races. from them in recent times.

This wasn't one of those, but equally, they're not languishing down in the Alpine territory. So an okay one? And okay, well, I think it's in line with, they've made some improvements to that car. Obviously, the upgrades that they brought, when they put the ride ones on, the upgrades they brought after the summer break,

I think our working, they only seem to work Excel in high downforce circuits, and even then, not, still not brilliant, but this felt in line with that. This wasn't going to necessarily be a strong track for them. I think where they finished middle of the pack is probably about where that car is right now. Alonzo was, you know, being Alonzo with his, with his games and stuff, I think he couldn't have done much more to get further up.

Behrman and Holcombberg were sort of excelling. I thought the race from Stroll was actually pretty good to get back to where he was. and he had the alternate Stratton to be that not far off Alonzo again, I know Alonzo was backing them up but to be that close towards the end of the race is actually it's actually good. I said to you, it was

closer to Lawson for so many laps than he ever was to Ockon. Why didn't he send that? Send that one, son. There's a point out of the road if you want it. Nah, if there's points on the line. I can go for it. The only points I want, a penalty. Shall we? a look at bold predictions because it's not a rosy picture. We said during the preview in

front of a lot of people that we need at least one of these right. We can't let the people down and we've let the people down. And because of that, no one is truly let down because it's what we were all expecting. Oh, wow. That's really nice. Nice. So, Harry, your bold prediction was that there would be a Mercedes one, two? Yep. It was not. No. Good. They said that Antonelli would win one of the two races. He didn't. He did not. And Sam, you said that there would be a podium from someone starting outside the top 10.

The podium was comprised of the drivers that started first, second and third in that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't think for turn one car. Okay. So I don't think the abacus needs to move. Thank God we'll bring it with us. Yeah, we left in the UK anyway. We go.

Well, there we go. We do have one final part of today's review coming up for you after the this short break. It's moment of the race. Welcome back to the final part of today's review of the United States GP. It's time for moment of the race. We have some Discord submissions coming up in just a moment's time, but before we do that, our own moment of the race. Sam, kick us off. Olly Behrman, absolutely sending it over the grass right in front of us. That was, it got the crowd going. It's a different vibe when you're sitting there in the ground saying,

and so to hear everyone go, ah, it's a lot, it's a lot, and it's great fun. And that was a good moment. Enjoyed it. Harry? Same corner, but the other incident signs and Antonelli. It was a big action point, so I enjoyed that one. I think that's my first ever crash in real life right in front of me. Oh, really?

Every time I've done to see Fon Live, it never happens on the corner that I'm watching. Yeah, fond of point. I'm going to go with Hamilton versus LeCleur. Just before LeCleur starts. Oh my God, man. What are you doing? Let him go, son.

I'm here, let him go. He'd worked so hard, Lecledger in that first stint. His tyres were done. Yep. Just let him go. Just let him go. There's no need to fight that. What are you losing?

They crashed into each other. And they were so, and I love that they battled, but they were so close. Yeah. So I went with that one over the other teammates battling, which is the Alpines. Oh, colapinto being told off. Or D. Or D. Or D.

What do we have from our Discord? Up first, we've got Greg 944. Greg 944 here. My moment over the race, Alpine telling Colapinto to hold position. Palopinto's reply, but he's slow. You're battling for 17th place. You're both slow. Kudos to Colopento and not listening and making the pass.

Keep breaking late. I love that he immediately contradicts himself. Why would you, why do you need to bathe? You're both slow. Well, I was making a pass. It's a very valid point. They both be slow. They do be slow.

Thank you. Up next is... Wolfman. Wolfman here in my mom of the race is the F1 TV commentary team, thinking that the Ferrari team is competent enough to trick the other teams

onto a bad tire. They are not competent enough. Keep breaking life. That is a savage. I enjoyed that. Wolfman with a dog in the back of as well. Oh gosh.

Got that dog again. Thank you very much for that one. We've got the first timing out. It is LuteSource 24-7. Leedsauce 24-7. First-time submission, long-time listener. Coming in with my moment of the race, Charles O'Clair's battle with Lando Norse,

keeping Max's dreams alive. Keep breaking late, y'all. Yeah, I mean, that definitely helped. Show did. Showed it. Oh, that's an old friend. We're across the pond up next. We've got Bristol Liam.

Right, that's my moment in the race was Yuki Sonoda's audacious move that sent Oli Berriman backwards. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. I'm sure you've seen that the same way we have. This is a great game, and I'm going to struggle to say it. So here we go.

This is Obi-John Kenobi. Well done. Nice. Obie John Canobi from Manchester here. just to let you know and I believe it was the moment that Norris finally overtook a Leclair. It was

painful. It was long, but it happened. Well done. A choice of words. Up next, we've got DG. Moment of the race coming to you from DG in the sunny orange beach

of Alabama. I'm just chilling out here. I watch the race on the beach catching some rays. It was fire. My moment of the race is coming from freaking Carlos Sines. Why did he have to do that? Why do you do that? Freaking Carlos Sines.

Oh, submission was great. Why do you do that? The beach, it's fire. It's fire. Why do you do that? Why do you do that? Why do you do that? I fuck your good. Do that? Up next his lads. Better than stroll.

With my moment of the race. Actually, let me do something different. and say moment of the sprint race. Moment of the sprint race is somehow a lap one accident and it involved laying a stroll making me think maybe times have changed

but then stroll in this basic Tom Strollery had to say hold my beer and wrecked somebody in the sprint race. Subscribe to the Patreon. Tom Strollery. I rate Tom Strollery.

Good stuff. Just want to put a caveat on then you're not allowed to start doing a moment of the race No, we'll allow that just as Tom Strollery but otherwise no. Finally to round us off

is David Goatimborra. Breakers, it is I, David Gothamber. As you can hear, I'm quite sick right now, but what can you do? I'm 99. Congratulations to Ferrari for getting that one to finish. No, I'm not going through Nile. Jesus and Girsty trying not to make a noise in the background. Oh, thank you for that, David. Thanks, David. Thanks, I think I'm a fan of the show. With respect That is awful That is

sh** It's almost as bad as you Michael Gay Someone who does impressions All the time That is terrible I'm great of them

Michael I think I'm going to do a podcast It's me Like okay Have we got anything else left at back from? I love how consistently this episode is the worst one of the year. We go from perhaps the best with the live show preview, and the reviews terrible.

You know what, if the Michael Kane impression isn't a sign of wrapping things up, I don't know what is. So I think we'll leave it here. Michael Kane, if you wouldn't mind. No. Getting us out of it. I will not get through that. What do the...

Thanks for listening, thanks. I think... Master Wang, I think what you're going to do is go enter the description and you'll find out that there is... I'm going. I don't know. Patreon's available.

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