The Late Braking F1 Podcast - 8 Races to Go: Who's Feeling the Heat?

Episode Date: September 14, 2025

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This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to check out new episodes every Wednesday and every Sunday. Welcome to the Late Breaking F1 podcast presented by Harry Ead, Sam Sage, and me, Ben Hocking. Harry, you're next to me, all right? Hello, mate, yeah. Just a rare, rare occasion where we're in the same place. I know.

I should have invited Sam. Yeah. We couldn't all we can all for around this table. To be fair, you wouldn't have made the journey. You'd have been sleeping out an hour in. The melatonin when it kicked in. Folks, I've had to take melatonin before this show.

I might be asleep halfwaying. Harry's cable is green. Can I just say you haven't had to take melatonin? No one's made you take melatonin. I've got to be awake at 4 a.m. Has force-fed melatonin. Ian is shoving it down my throat. Out of context.

There we go. Sometimes I don't need to work for this. I love it. I don't write themselves. Yep. Can you tell it's a non-race Sunday, folks? Even though it's actually a Wednesday when we're recording this, we're all over the place this week without F1.

You keep revealing behind the scenes moments, huh? Yeah, I know, right. Where's the structure this week? But we're playing F1 order, please. If there's going to be order and structure, it's going to come from F1 order, please, a little bit later on. A little bit on Daniel Ricardo. officially announcing his retirement from racing. But we're going to start with a little bit of a top

five because we've got eight races to go in this season and we're asking the question, who is the most under pressure going into? We like to do under pressure ahead of a race on a preview, but if we're looking at the rest of this season, what do our top fives look for most under pressure? We've added a bit of variety to this so we can pick drivers, but we can pick team bosses or maybe just teams as a whole. So we don't necessarily have to stick to just drivers. Sam, number five on your list. I've gone for a very specific part of a team,

and that is Alpine's leadership, or should I be more specific to say the lack of leadership that they have? Void. Yeah, not part of the list because it's not real. You'll remember, of course, that Oli Oaks, the famous soap, also disappearing from Alping as it did from our TV screens, because he had to flee to the middle. leased after his brother dig some crime. He only digs six races or so.

And Flavio had to take over, which I'm sure Flavio loved. But they actually have now gone a long time without a proper team boss. And then while they dig out and it lasts very long. If they are so adamant that they're going to achieve some form of success, putting in the foundation work now and solidifying who you drive a line up is and how the team is going to structurally work going into the new season is pretty important over the last eight Grand Prix. So for me, I just think Alpinga under a little bit of pressure

and got to go too far backwards next year and to start getting the building blocks in early to maybe even progress slightly next year because they believe they've got a car that can win races. They're winning races next year and then the championship in 2027. So they've got to be on it. They're on it. Big couple of years for them.

Big couple of years. Pierre Ghazli thinks so at least, but we'll see. number five on your list, Harry. I've gone for Carlos Sines. Whether you view his season this year as mainly unlucky or mainly his own fault or 50-50, but of both.

Either way, it's not been great. What are drivers between Albans and the championship right now? Exactly. And you look at a result such as we had in Monza where Albon got into the points and Carlos Sines pretended that Olly Berman didn't exist.

And it's sort of just added to not necessarily a string, but just quite a few races this year that haven't gone his way. And like I say, I don't think that all necessarily his fault, but he's also not been, he's also not been the color signs we got used to at Ferrari, I don't think. So I think, I'm not saying he's under threat of losing a seat or anything, but under pressure more for himself just to get back on more of an even keel with Albon, even if it's not in the standings, but just performance-wise in the last few races and finish off 2026 better than he started it,

which was in the wall in Australia. It was indeed. I'm going to say my number five a little bit quietly because we're at this point in the list where it's not like all-out pressure, but Nico Holkenberg? I'd just like to see... He's got home.

He's not here. Yeah, that's kind of a theory at this point because Bortoletto over the last six races or so has done a bit of a job. on Nico Holkenberg. For the year, in terms of qualifying, Bortoletto is now 106 up, but it's 6-0 in the last six races. Bortoletto has four Q3 appearances so far this year. Hulkenberg has absolutely none, and I appreciate there's some bad luck that goes into this as well. If you think about the most recent race, Monzer, there was, Hulcombo didn't even make the first lap of that

Grand Prix, whereas Borteletto was able to claim some really solid points. But, yeah, we know that Holkenberg's contract is secure, he's going to be there next year, he's got a podium this year, everything's all right. It's not like mad pressure, but he would have joined Audi with the impression that he can lead this team, but if it continues the way that it's going, why wouldn't you as Audi's management start to maybe look a bit more towards, maybe even prioritize the driver who's 18 years younger and has a full career ahead of him versus Holkenberg, who's nearing 40. He could do with a few results

just to sit the rookie down, you know? Nice. Sit down. Number four, son. I've gone with now CEO, Stefano de Mercalli, Steve Sunday, because it is Sunday that we're recording this despite what Ben has said to you.

I think after the comments that he made that we reviewed on the last week's show, he needs a talking to. He's a telling off because he's a very gaulty boy. And realistically, Formula One is in a very pivotal moment right now. We're going into 2026, a whole set of regulations, essentially a new identity for Formula One. And so much has changed around the sphere of the F1 world. You know, the F1 movie is the highest-grossing sports film of all time, a major success.

We've got Drive to Survive, which arguably is going to pass its peak. And many fans are wondering if they should stay around. Is it worth the transition from Drive to Survive in that fast-paced, interactive style of broadcast to a more standard actual full race format, sprint races are changing. You know, we've got a lot of talk about whether renewal on TV rights is changing. There's a lot going on in the last kind of four or five months of this year going to the new regulations. I think he's going to get a lot of it right because I think there's a real risk that this

behemoth that is Formula One, it could really nail these new regulations and we could just off into the stratosphere where everything goes well. Equally, it could be a real disaster. So the end of this season is going to be smooth. He's got some big decisions to make. And I think he's very pivotal in crafting what everyone looks like right now over the next two or three years. Very good, shout. Harry, number four.

I've gone for Ferrari slash Fred Fasor. It's, look, it's not been the year. I don't think that Ferrari would have wanted, especially with those hamils and joining. I think, you know, championships are out of the question, obviously. but I think a winless season, it's not a good look, and we don't count sprint. We do not count sprint.

But a Grand Prix win, not having one of those for an entire season. It's not what we expect of Ferrari, even if they're having a bad year. You get a couple of wins or two, but no wins, which, honestly, it could happen. Bit stinky.

Have you seen the video that's been doing around the round of, of Lecler going through Oskari on lap one. I'll find it. It's absolutely terrifying. Is the car trying to kill it? Yes. All right, cool, yeah.

Yeah, like you say, car's a bit stinky at the moment. I know that was set up related in Monza, but even so, before that, it was still pretty stinky. So... Do you see Lewis Hamilton driving past the pictures of all the drivers on the billboard?

He had his window down as he was leaving the track, and he went, have they just forgotten that Yuki-Skir is half the size of all the other drivers? he's just laughing as he drives off. It's an absolute savage. It's like a drive-by.

It's so savage. It's not that much taller than you. It's not that much taller than me. I'm not even tall. Fuck down, Lewis. Yeah, it's unlikely, but I think they're under pressure. Yeah, I'd say for a win,

but at least for some better. I get Lewis Hamilton on the podium. I know he's got to help himself on that, but get Lewis Hamilton on the podium before the end of the year. Come on. Apparently, you just sings memes in the driver's chat now. I saw that.

Like your old uncle in the... Thanks, Dad. Anyway, back to the actual discussion we're having. He's definitely... He definitely thumbs up. Yeah, thumbs up. I bet Fernando thumbs up to the memes. No, he blanks it.

He doesn't respond. Yeah, Leaves over there. He doesn't even know how WhatsApp works. They're probably memes about him. Yeah. Constantly. They probably will react with these like cigar meme with that one where he's like really close up to the screen.

It's like a reaction. Chag neck alongside as the meme. Adds them all to the karma list when he does that. Number four from me, I've got the team that everyone's talking about McLaren. Now, in terms of the Constructors' Championship, I don't think there's a lot of pressure, but there's a lot of pressure on how they manage the driver's championship. And I don't, fortunately, everyone agrees on this.

Like, everyone all over the internet is on the same page with this McLaren issue. But I don't think I've heard the word precedent said more than in the last seven days, at least in F1 circles, because yes, there might be some sensationalist talk about, well, what would you do if there were cars in between you? Like, we know they're not going to voluntarily give up spots to other teams. But there is still, they've drawn a line in the sand. And even if they do want to rely on a common sense, take each one as it comes sort of basis, the closer we get to the end of the season, the less these two drivers in theory

are going to play ball. Like, Norris and Piastri, how does that go when the championship is actually settled, constructors-wise? How does that go if that happens in Brazil or Qatar? We're getting really close to the end of the year. I don't know. They're going to have to manage this. And some people on the interwebs thinks that, you know, they've got it all sorted out.

maybe they do. I'm a little bit more skeptical. Do you see that in an interview, Skeller was talking about how we have a full set of racing rules that we abide by and they got reciprocal or anything like that. It doesn't apply to you. Each situation has its own set of rules that they have to go by. It feels very much like they've sat the two down in like a classroom and said, you all sign this document and learn it back to back.

It's a bit weird. I don't like it. I'd pay money for you to have to read and react to that. I was just trying to write this second, stay calm and not react to that. But I hate it. I do think it's good to see that everyone has agreed with our viewpoint after the show. Exactly. That's a rare one.

That's what it's all about. Yeah. It gets you right there, man, does it? Yeah. The warm feeling. Togetherness in the F1 world. Real tingle. Love it.

And what's number three on your list, Harry? Different team. I've gone for Williams. I've obviously mentioned Carlos Seins already, but Williams have, they started off the year much better than I think they expected. And all this time, they've been saying, or did I say they, James Vals has been saying,

you know, it's 2026 focus, 2026 focus. They've had a bit of a dip. And then Albonne at least has managed to brag a few more points along the way in the mid part of the season. They're still in fifth place. and now they've got fifth place I feel like they'll be quite disappointed if they lose fifth place

despite all the things that James Fowler said saying it doesn't matter where we finish but they've had it for that long now losing it in the last eight races would be a bit of a blow so yeah yeah I think Williams are under pressure to finish off the year strong

again I know they're not doing anything else to that car to no upgrades but a lot of teams I don't think any teams are bringing upgrades anymore Ferrari probably will at some point. Abu Dhabi upgrade. Carmen. Oh boy.

Win Abidabie at all costs. No, P5, P6, Abu Dhabi with the upgrade. But yeah, their focus is we know from such an early stage, it's been on 2026. And I think they've really tried to play that card. But now they are in quite a strong position, the strongest position they've been in for several years. I think they're under pressure to hold on to that. Sam, number three on your list? I've gone Liam Lawson on my list.

I do think that Liam is at real risk of being out of a drive come the end of the season. If Limblad is so coined for a drive next season in 2026, it does feel like if anyone's going to get the boot, there's a real chance that it could be Lawson. And if Lawson doesn't continue that drive in the Red Bull family, because we all know that a re-promotion up to the top dogs, It's very unlikely.

You never happen with Gassley, who you would all agree, I'm sure, was doing a much better job in that junior seat than what Lawson does now. Where does he go? Realistically, where does he go? After spending so long trying to get into the sport, doing things like DTM, Super Formula was a replacement driver for Ricardo, stepped aside again, came back, got demoted from Red Bull. He's been on a real roller coaster ride in the last like two and a half, three years.

There's a real risk that he could be out of the sport coming into the year if certain promotions and changes don't go his way. he needs to have a great final eight races. He needs to make sure he's right there with Hajjar, challenging Hajar, beating Hajjar more often than not, I think. And if he can just stay out of the walls and qualify a little better on average, he's got good pace.

There's a real chance that he could deliver on this. We just need more consistency from him. So there's a real chance that he and another F1 driver that is linked to the rebel family might not have a drive next year. Number three, I've got Toto Wolf. Big An's Toto, big pressure Toto for the. next day races. This is more about, I think, actually off track because as we record this, and I know by saying this, both drivers will be signed tomorrow, but right now they have no

drivers contracted for next year. And if you think about like the current era of F1 that sort started in 2022, they, I know it didn't work out for them in terms of car performance, but they had everything lined up. Like they'd just gone very close to a championship in 2021. They'd won the constructors. And they still had, in his prime Lewis Hamilton seven-time champion and George Russell, who had honed his skills at Williams for multiple years. And it felt like they had prepared for the era, even if it didn't work out. Right now, we're a few months away.

And we still don't know either identity of their lineup, even if we think it's going to be the same. What's the hold up? You know, Max Verstappen, that whole Sardinia saga seems to be over, in which case, why aren't these drivers signed for next year? I know that Mercedes have often liked to announce both drivers at the same time. So whether it's a case of one of them is kind of all but signed, but there's some sort of hold up with the other one.

I don't know. But time to get negotiating, Toto and lock down your lineup. I forgot. He forgot. I think he forgot. Oh, I see. Oh, drive us for next year. Oh, okay.

Oh, we've got the car. Who's, they're driving them, right? That was the side to tow too. Cars just sat in the garage preseason testing. Kamuikovi-Ki's waiting outside, like, I'll do it. You do find a guard. Yeah. He'll get in.

No, no, he waits, still won't. Let's go to the courts again. Right, number two, Sam. Number two on my list is the other Red Bull family driver that I spoke about, and that is Yuki Sanoda. He has gone through the opposite of what Liam Norse has gone through in the sense. Of course, he was promoted after two races. And we all said that maybe he should have got that drive earlier than what he did.

But it's not worked out. We're aware there is the second seat curse. Sergio Perez fell foul to it. Asi Gasly. Asi Alba. Asticchiav and Ashti Kivya. But it feels like this struck you Kisngoda right as he was on the up. He was really starting to build reputation for himself as a really solid big field driver,

gets that promotion. And it just never goes well for him. in a season where the Red Bull is the worst that we've seen it for years. He's also struggling with this deficit between first driver and second driver. And so for the final eight races, I really think he needs some level of stability,

some regular points finishes, he needs to make sure that he's beating the two racing bulls drivers in Lawson and Hajjar. If he's got any hope of getting a drive, let alone a Red Bull drive for next year, he's got to deliver in the final eight. Number two, Harry? Number two, it's the same as you.

And I'm a poet. Um, Toto Wolf. Not much more than the reasons you've already given, Ben. I think, I think Toto has had an absolute stinker over this Max Verstappen flirtation. Because now I've read something today that, and quite rightly, I think George Russell and his management are just trying to get more money, more benefits out of his next contract because Toto Wolf needs George Russell. George Russell knows that. he's going nowhere else. Yep.

And I think he's he's backed himself into a corner on that one. Add on to the fact that at the moment, the promotion of Kimmy Antonelli is looking like it was maybe a year or two, too soon. And that's not to say that he doesn't have the talent and that it won't work out. But as it currently stands, Antoni's car is in the gravel more often.

than it should be or in the barrier or in the side of another car. So I think pressure's on. Pressure's on to lock down your drivers, as you said. I think pressure's on for Mercedes to have a strong end to the year. And again, you know, we know there's not many upgrades coming, but there might be some opportunities for that car to randomly be good as we near the end of the season. So yeah, as you said, pressure's on, Toto.

It is indeed. Big hands, Toto. Big pressure, Toto. precious Soto. Gutierrez is rubbing his hands together. His big hands. Because Sierra's a big Mexican hands. Big Hamse.

Oh, BMH. Yeah, yeah. I love that guy. Is that fucking Mercedes. He's just got massive hands. It's the bit on the job description. Yep. Big hands Mercedes.

That's why he won't sign Russell and Antinelli. Hands are big enough. Yeah. Tiny hands. Tiny hands Russell. T.H.R. Yes. Yeah.

Right. Number two, I've got Franco Colopinto. Did you see, by the way, the post-race press interview after Italy? Yeah, it wasn't well, was he? It's not well at all. The concerned face of Isaac Hadger,

Isaac Hatcher, whatever he's called. Was he sick or was he sick? Oh, no. Both. He's always both. He's always both. I'm fair, he's always pringing down cool that guy. Anyway, that's not part of the point. I think Perez and Bottas moving on to Cadillac makes his signing a little bit more likely for next year,

but he's still got a bit of work to do eight races to go. I know that Alpine is not very strong. Can he, I don't know, go four all against Gasly in qualifying? Can he go four all in the races? Would that be enough, quite possibly? Just because there aren't that many options for Alpine at this stage, whether they promote Paul Aaron, of course, one of their reserve drivers. But equally with the way that that team works, they probably would have hired him all ready.

if they thought he was good enough. Maybe there's some other options out there. Maybe Sonoda comes together if he doesn't stay at Red Bull. But Colopinto, if he can deliver over these next eight races, he's in Wimbushot. Samu tops your list. Landon Norris tops my list of drivers or people related to F1 who are under pressure. He's essentially on his first real proper goer at a driver's title this year. He had the rehearsal, so to speak, in 2024, but Max Verstappen was.

Max Verstappen, as we've said so many times, he's quite good at doing the whole driving thing. So it felt like you could allow that to slide. You know, we're accepting the Max Verstappen wins this one. But when he coming into this year was still seeing as the senior more experienced driver at McLaren. And Oscar Pastery, he had a topsy turbi, it's harsh, but he had some highs and he had some lower points, qualifying mostly, which meant to led to lower race results. You think that, okay, if the car's there as we expect it to be, landing on us is the guy that's got to convert. and he's been dealt a really tough blow

with this ancient failure that happened in Zanthor. You know, it's got his fault. But equally, he was already behind at this point as well. Without races to go, he has originally had a bit of a molehill to climb, a tiny gap margin between the two of them. And that molehill has rapidly turned into a mountain that he's going to have to try and get up in the last eight races to have any chance of saving this title fight.

He's going to have to drive the best he's ever driven. He's going to have to go up against arguably his toughest opponent in the same machinery. it's a real tough challenge for Lano Norris right now. And he's probably the best point of his career to overcome it. And if he can overcome it, it will be a real story. And he will rightfully deserve so much praise. But it's going to be a real tough one. And it will be a little bit heartbreaking for him, I'm sure,

to be this close and to have it taken away maybe by something like a power failure. But he's got to pull everything out the bag in the last eight races to even give himself a ficing chance or hope that Piastri's engine blows up. But as we discussed the other day, Piastria's not finished, only three races in the last 70 odd. So chances are slim. I'll breeze over at number one because it is a copy. I've got Yuki Sunoda at number one.

And I think the reason I've got him first is because he's not only fighting for his Red Bull career. I think he's just fighting for his F1 career at large. Because there is, I think, there is the potential that what he does for these next eight races isn't enough for Red Bull to convince Red Bull that he should stay with the team. And I'm not even sure he goes back to RB. I don't think they would want to do that. But if they do decide that Hajar is worth the promotion, but Sonoda still has a reasonable last eight races to this season,

who knows? A year out, maybe there's a team in 2027 who looks to pick him up. Maybe he does decide to join his massacist friend, Pierre Ghazli, and go to Alpine. There's life outside of the Red Bull program in F1. And I think a lot is riding on these next eight races for Yuki San Francisco. even if he doesn't stay within the program. Number one.

Yeah, what you said, Yuki Sonoda. As a part of me, like you said, Ben, I think maybe it's too late already for him. But you're right. I'm not sure. This is all about Red Bull. This is about him keeping a seat beyond the end of this year. So I much labour this point too much. But it's, it's, I don't even think Yuki needs to have some standout performance.

I think, you know, last year with Perkins, Perez, we were getting to this stage and we were like, Perez needs to have a really good result here. And he almost had it in Baku, didn't he? And it didn't happen? Because human science crashed right at the end. I don't even think, um, you can needs that. I think he just needs to show like a consistent, a few consistent races, solid results, not too far off the pace of max. Um, and, and bring him some, some good points.

I don't think he needs. I don't think, I mean, obviously it wouldn't harm him. anything like a podium, a random podium finish surrounded by four crap races is actually any good for him. I think it needs to show more than that. So an important, important, you know, last third of the year for Yuki. That's our top five. So a bit of variety in our lists. We've named plenty of different drivers, team bosses, teams, even Steve Sunday got a shout out in there. So if you do have a different name or a different team that hasn't popped up in our top five, do let us know. We'll be interested to hear from you. On the other side, we're going to be

talking about these next eight races and where might McCarran be vulnerable? Welcome back, everyone, to the second part of today's episode. It's a non-race Sunday. It's a good opportunity for us to take a step back, take stock of the season so far. We're two-thirds of the way through the year now, having done 16 races. McCarron, did you know, having a good season, aren't they? They've won 12 of the 16 races we've had so far this year. with Red Bull claiming three and then Mercedes claiming one. So with Max Verstappen winning in Monza, it broke a streak of five straight wins for McLaren.

First time they've done that since 2005, by the way. So now we've got eight races left in the year. We're looking ahead to these circuits and thinking, you know, what might be the best opportunities for the likes of Mercedes for Ferrari for Red Bull to contend with McLaren, which of these eight give them the best opportunities? Sam, kick us off. Where do you think those best opportunities will come?

I think the best opportunity is to strike while the iron is hot. I think the next Grand Prix we go to is by far the best opportunity we've got for the rest of the season, and that is in Baku, as my Zhang. Why you might ask, well, that is why you're listening to this show, and that is why I shall give you an answer because where there are questions, folks. I mean, there are sometimes answers, but we don't guarantee them. You don't want to someone call me suffering in the comments yesterday. Yeah, so McLaren have been fantastic at high-speed-related racetracks.

You look at the likes of Zambor. You look at the likes of Hungary, Silverstone. These tracks that have a lot of incredibly high-speed corners that are typically longer corners that rely on fifth, sixth, seventh gear. Baku is very much straight-lying, heavy brake. Straight-lying, heavy break. It doesn't really have too many corners that are longer fast-flowing. There's a couple in sector three, the long left-hand.

before you go into that downhill section, a section that rugs you all the way to the finish line. But that is about it. And I do believe that we will see a similarity to what we saw in Monza in the sense that those that can harness a really strong straight line speed setup, which Red Bull have plagued with a lot. They tried it as Silverstone course that didn't come to fruition.

Nothing really came from it. Monza, it does work. And I think that Ferrari are also learning something. If long that they can make a car that isn't trying to kill their drivers and around Baku, that's definitely quite possible with how close the walls are, it could really come to something.

That combined with the fact that strategy is very key at Baku, you can really get it right or get it wrong, combined with the fact we get a lot of safety car chaos where it comes in at Baku, means that you've got to be on your toes. And McLaren do a lot of talky-talkie over the radio, and they don't tend to do much actual getting it done efficiently at the moment.

when they need to make a decision that happens fast, they've had a couple of errors. They've made a couple of mistakes in the last year or so that have led to us on this show, debating, can they get things right when it really matters when it boils down to it? And if there is a quick call that might take place that is more often they're not going to take place

at a trap like Baku, someone like Max Westappen, someone like Red Bull, Hannah Schmidt, tactical genius, they're very good at pulling out a new strategy or a situation immediately and getting that right more often than not. So for me, combined with the poor communication of McLaren at the moment and they're kind of coming off the back of being beating handingly by the stabbing in Monza.

Baku might be the chance for someone else to kind of get a victory, get a proper podium, or at least take it to McLaren and see if they can get ahead while the, like I said, strike on the iron is hot. Harry, when this question was posed to you, did Baku stand out at all? Baku stood out. Brazil stood out. Singapore stood out. Those are the three?

yeah I'd also potentially say Las Vegas but unsure than that one but certainly Baku I think like you said Sam with the high speed nature of that track and obviously there is a twisty bit in the middle but it obviously gives more opportunity for the likes of Vastappen

maybe even Ferrari as you say if the car's not trying to kill their drivers Singapore because Singapore's just like the most like the weirdest anomaly on the calendar every year we get there and it's nothing correlates really to the rest of the year apart from, I know Norris was pretty dominant last year,

but yeah, I think that's a definitely opportunity and then Brazil, that's pretty more related to weather, but even so, it's quite a unique track in itself with the big long stretch up from your own shall, whatever you say, Crofti. Every season. It winds me up.

I love for much like to wind Sam up. It annoys me. how much he says Junsao for Christ means the junction we go yeah it's in Chalagos

means in between the lakes oh too tired for this anyway we need to get this episode done before samples asleep yeah I think those are definitely

the three and and I suspect the lights of this happen the reason I say Las Vegas is because it's really cold there and the Mercedes

like that. So Russell obviously won that one last year. I'm just a little bit more doubtful because I don't think the Mercedes is as competitive this year as it was last year. So a little bit more mindful of that one. But yeah, definitely those three, I think, are the opportunities, which is great news because the first one is next. So that's good.

Exactly. Yeah, I kind of viewed this as if we look at the races in which McLaren have been vulnerable so far this year or indeed a different team and a different driver has won, It comes down to either a pretty fast circuit, you know, the likes of Monza that we've just had, or it's come down to a circuit like Suzuki where maybe someone like Vastappen can pull out an incredible qualifying lap and just find it very difficult to be overtaken. And I think the circuits that I picked out as a result of that were Baku, like you both, that has the potential with high speed, heavy braking zones. it's not something they necessarily excel that when we were at Monza. Maybe that gives an opportunity to someone else.

Vegas definitely came up on my list as well. I think it's the closest thing we have to an Oval on the F1 calendar right now. And then on the other side of things, Vestappan is very good at Mexico. He's won quite a few times there. And if you do put together a sensational qualifying lap, maybe like Suzuki, it's not easy to get overtakes done.

I know we always focus on that incredibly long straight and how you can make overtakes into term one. Because of how the second and third sectors pan out, because of the dirty air, you can often have quite a big margin going into that start-finished straight. Even with the length of that straight, it's not easy to get overtakes done. So those were sort of Qatar, I guess as well is another one where you could find it tricky to overtake if someone like the Stappen got a surprise pole. The only reason I'm less confident about that one is we actually actually. see some tire wear.

Tireware. Wow. We actually see some tire wear at Qatar, so there's more opportunity strategically to regain positions if you don't now qualifying. If we're focusing, first of all, Sam on maybe a bit more Red Bull specific here and, let's face it, probably the Stappan specific, do you think he can find another win this year? Can he lock down P3 in the Drivers' Championship, even if he does not give a flying,

you know what about it? Yes, a flying piece of cake. I do think that Bostappen is favourite for third place in the championship. Despite the car arguably being the worst across this season out of those three chases in Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull. You know, you look at the points that Red Bull have picked up. I think it's something like 239 so far, and Bostappen has 230 of those, which is, it is a bit of a joke, isn't it?

A bit of a funny punchline, but that's the reality we're living with, Red Bull these days. And so his immense talent is definitely going to shine again at some point throughout this season. I do think there are a couple of tracks where he personally thrives at Brazil. Then we went through our Patreon episode and picked out for Sappan's five best wings. I won't give anything away, but let's just say that Brazil does make an appearance on the list. And Mexico is really mentioned he's had great success out previously. And I think with the weaknesses of McLaren, Singapore might be an option as Mike Baku. Vegas is a complete lottery. You know, you spin that will. You might get red, you might get black, who knows? Well, that was very crofty. That was gross

hate of that. Um, so yeah, you know, there is a real chunk. So there's probably about four or five opportunities where there's a safety car. If they get that set up right, I do think he's most likely to challenge for a wing. And I do think he's most likely to hold onto third place. Whilst I'd love to see Lecler or Russell really kind of make that ground back, I don't think the same to understand their car after the upgrades were changing enough to make it happen. And the way that the conditions work with them. Vegas might be their only real option. Ferrari, who knows, a mystery in the world. In the modern day that we have here is Ferrari. We never know what's going on with him. So, can't see it happening. But Sapa, at least, whilst he's driving a confusing and strange

mess, he seems to somewhat understand the confusing and strange mess. So, yeah, I think he's his favorite for it. Yeah, I would agree with that. He's 36th clear of George Russell and Mercedes do seem to be weaker than they were at the beginning of the year. George Russell had four podiums in his first six races. He's only had one in the last six races. So I think he is favorite to secure third in the championship. Again, I don't think he cares about that whatsoever. And much like Kimmy Reichenen and a few years ago, he might actually be actively not wanting to finish third, so he doesn't attend the prize giving ceremony at the end of the year. Who knows whether? Anyone know where that's going to be this year? It's Rwanda last year, isn't it? What country is trying

to curry favor of the F-Ilan. That's, that's, yeah, maybe it's Thailand. But yeah, in terms of Vastappen with the championship, Vegas, who knows, maybe there's an opportunity there. What do you think about Vastappan at Baku? Because in theory, that he was good at Monsas, so maybe he could be good at Baku as well.

Is it his worst circuit? He's been quite unlucky there. Yeah. But if you look at like 2023 and 24, how many times across both seasons was Perez better than Vastappen? You can probably count it on one hand, I would say.

But is it because Perez is a Baku god? Good question. Yeah, I don't know. Like you said, he was definitely unlucky here in 2021. I mean, he's mad at Vastappan. I don't know. I don't think it's going to be terrible. I don't know.

It is interesting. I think that Perez was, I know he didn't beat him last year because of how it ended, but Perez was better than Vastappan at Baku last year, and he won the race Perez in 2023. free. Interesting. And I do take on.

See, he did have that incredibly unlucky tire punch from the lead as well. So he should have more than his one win that he has at Baku. But yeah. Interesting one. I think he'll go well here. If he's got,

if they can do what they did with the car in Monza, and he went for a lower down four setup than Sonoda did in the end, which I think internally I've read was not the advised thing to do. But I think the lesson here is, just listen to your driver. Yeah. Your four-time or champion driver because he made the call

to, yeah, slice more off his rear wing. And it paid off. And that's to think, because Vastappan, to any other driver with that lack of downforce, it's probably like, I don't know,

driving a shopping trolley. But Vestappan can make it work. So if they can go for something here that's probably maybe a bit more risky in terms of setup, then maybe you can make it work and back here as well. He's only got two podiums here, isn't he?

He's got a wing, in a second place, I think it was, in 23. Yeah. But I think he's had more D&F, so he's had podiums around here. So it tells you that he had that crash with Ricardo. He had the issue with the drain, was it, that caused his car to fail?

I think Ryken had run into him one year as well. Yeah, yeah, there's a crash, definitely. Yeah, I think it shows you how difficult overtaking actually is around Bacca, despite having such a long final sector. You do not see these massive gains is maybe we see in Belgium, for example, down the Campbell Street.

Can Mercedes replicate their pace anywhere, Sam, like that we saw in Canada? Is that just looking increasingly like a weird one-off? Or do they get, I know you can't in theory, but can they have another one-off somewhere? Yeah, I've said it before when we kind of understood that their upgrade hadn't gone to plan,

and they had, in fact, made a perfect upgrade simply for the Canadian Grand Prix, almost without realizing it. They were running all those test numbers on the Canadian Grand Prix with the idea of launching the upgrade there. It turns out that it was so specific to Jill Vilner, if they didn't work anywhere else. I think Vegas is probably their best bet, realistically.

Vegas or Singapore, but the humidity, the warmth in Singapore makes me think otherwise. Vegas is the one where it does feel like I've really mentioned, a real lottery. And considering that they've had success in both the years there to some degree that we've raised here, it looks like they are maybe one of the few teams at the front that can have some level of consistency.

When I say success, I don't necessarily think it means a wing, but I do think a podium for Russell could definitely back on the cars. And I think it'll be a welcome return to the podium, which he hasn't, as you really mentioned, barely being on in the last 6th, 7 Grand Prix. So that's where I think they'll be targeting. Other than that, they should definitely be turning their focus to stability for Antingelli, not maximising things, just comfortable consistency in the points where he can. And then preparing for 2026 so they can get off to a better foot in any era. Yeah, I think it needs to be Vegas. I think it needs to be Vegas. Last six races, I appreciate like Zambor, if we ignore that one, because that finished on the safety car.

When Russell finished third in Hungary, he was 22 seconds back. That's the closest non-safety car, like impacted finish that Mercedes have had in the last six races. It's they haven't, it's not like they've been close. They haven't been knocking on the door. They haven't been five seconds back consistently. They've been 30 seconds back. They finished over a minute back in Austria, for example. So, yeah, I think it's maybe Vegas or bust.

Out of all the tracks as well, to be a minute back at Oscar is rough. Yeah, that was a really bad weekend for them. Final question on this one, Harry. Can Ferrari avoid being winless? Is there anywhere that they might go, ah, that could, it clicked at the Chinese sprint. Can it happen anywhere else? I can you click there?

It can click anywhere. That's what I like to say. But I think Baku is definitely an option. If they can get in their mix, again, with maybe a slightly sketchier setup. It might work for them. Although if the car's trying to kill them, there's obviously closer walls to hit.

Singapore, potentially. Both their drivers are quite good around here. Yeah. Lecler had a pretty superb poll in 2019. 2018, we know, you know, famously Hamilton's poll here as well. And it's one a few times around Singapore. So like I said, Singapore is quite an anomaly. So potentially that one, they were quite good.

Ferrari quite good at Vegas as well last year. I don't want to take last year as too much as a reference point because they were much better everywhere. Oh, hang on. I've got the answer. I don't know what I've asked you the question. I've got the answer. Yeah. What is it? I'll wear my Ferrari hat.

Oh, then they'll win. We're all good. That is so true. You are a wonderful, magical curse to the rescue the grid. They're a blessing to Ferrari. I'll wear my Alpine cat this year. Did you imagine if Alpine went in front of us at Cota? Could you imagine someone wearing an Alpine cat?

Got him. Oh, God. That burn came 43 minutes into the episode. Sorry for any Alpine fans out there. I'm really sorry to all four of you. Trink Alexander Arnold crying. Right. We're going to take our next break.

On the other side, we're chatting about Daniel Ricardo. Welcome back, everyone. We're about one year from, detached from Daniel Ricardo's final race in F1, and we haven't heard a lot from Daniel Ricardo about any future racing plans. And we've got an answer. He has confirmed his retirement from motor racing. He's joined first. as an ambassador, but in terms of his on-track career, he's decided to call it quits.

Sam, are you surprised that he's decided after his F-1 career not to try his hand at something else? Yeah, I am. He is so talented. I know he went through a really tricky period at the end of his career. We had that awful moment where he was nearly in tears, it was in tears, where he got let go kind of out of nowhere, went through the tricky period, of course, with McLaren, where we got the famous, oh, I've just stepped aside, comment that never really materialised

to walk into. But his time at Red Bull, when he moved up alongside Sebastian Betel, and they went up against Max Verstappen. And then even when he went to Renault was pretty darn solid, he's such a talented driver course, multi-time race winner. I was really shocked that he didn't want to try his hand at something, because it's always been this thrill seeker. It's always been this kind of guy that was, you know, even in the offseason, he'd be cliff jumping, and be out on jet skis, he'd be doing dirt bikes.

I thought he'd go and give something like, I'd say, Baha, an option, or like some kind of rally, or he'd go and do IndyCar, Indy 500, or just like a bit crazy, because he's that kind of guy that I think loves the adrenaline. And maybe he's just kind of going, you know what, yeah, I'll get my fix elsewhere. I'll go out and do something different. And maybe that's why he's picked up Ford. It's a very reputable company. I think it suits a demographic that he wants to continue growing out of ventures in, such as

his whying, enchanté, which I said wrong for so many years until I heard him setting an interview. How did you say? Enchanting. That's proper corner of you, right? He's enchanting. It was French, okay? You in French words

every time. In French language, you've got to get along. But yeah, I mean, enchanted to me. It seems like, get a pass to you with every purchase. And it seems like he's making a choice to kind of settle

into being that spokesperson, just being around motorsport rather being in it himself. But I am surprised because he's so talented. I think we've lost a real talent in actual racing there. I mean, quiz question for you, Harry Ead. Why does Daniel Ricardo have the number three? Because he loves the slugs from the 50th grade. I don't know. I don't think you'll get it in one.

No, he had the number three in motorsport because... what, do, um, yes, carry on. Daylon Hart. Yes, day, they're on. Yeah, obviously, massive name in NASCAR, which that's my surprise, is that he never gave NASCAR ago. Yeah. I, look, I think I am, um, I am surprised he's not going to do anything ever again,

and this is it. I mean, retirement means nothing. Alonzo's retired, isn't he? Yeah. Shumas will retire. No, he's not. He's on spatical. Sorry, my back.

Schumacher retired and came back. So it's, you don't ever say never, but I think I'm what the element that doesn't surprise me is how, I think it's always been F1. Yes, he loves other motorsports and loves other sports. So he said Sam,

but it's always been F1 for him. Because even when he was let go by McLaren, I think Zach Brown was desperate to keep hold of him and try and put him in an indie car. They had Formula E as well at that point. but I think IndyCar was primarily where Zach Brown was sinking. And he didn't,

Ricardo didn't want to do it. He wanted to try and get back into F1. And I think that, whether that was the right call or not, I don't know, but it's what he's always wanted to pursue. And I think that, yeah,

that's what doesn't surprise me. I think it's always been F1 or nothing. And I get, I get it because, I'm not to say, I'm not dissing on any other motorsport because I love motorsport, but if you've always had your site set on Formula One,

you view it as the pinnacle of motorsport, I, and then you're out of it. Anything else might just feel a little bit less. And that's not me dissing on any, any other ones. I just think if you've already been in that position, I'm not sure you're going to drop out of it.

But yeah, so that doesn't surprise me, but we'll see. We'll see what happens with the Ford thing. Quite interesting that it's Ford racing and Ford a link to Red Bull, bloody by, blah, blah next year. So I'm not saying,

that's not me saying anything. Oh, the second. seats going to Daniel Ricardo. Oh, Harry Ead said that. Wow. Beardy Ricardo. Yeah, he's just like Pimente now. It's such a Brooklyn Nangai character.

That's a fair shout. Yeah. Fair shout. So yeah, I'd say never say never, but we'll see. Yeah, I'm surprised he didn't give something like NASCAR or Indy car a go, but it comes back to the bottom line of like, you've got to have that hunger. And if you don't have it, there's no point starting the conversation. You have to have that inbuilt hunger that Alonzo still has like 20 years after he won world championships.

And all of the F1 grid has right now, if you lose that, it's game over. And I don't mean that in a horrible way either in that Daniel Ricardo has already found success with other ventures that you mentioned, Sam. and, you know, there's far more to life than just Formula One and just racing. Like, now he has the opportunity to make his mark in another way. And I think that's a wonderful thing. But in terms of, you know, motor racing, if you want to keep going, you need that hunger. And it seemed apparent that after his RB stint, that was probably gone. Sam, with RB in the way that that ended, we've obviously seen with his peers from, at least

from an age perspective, the likes of Valtry Bottas and Sergio Perez are coming back into F1 after a year out. We've had Holkenberg, who had a little bit of timeout as well a few years ago, now spearheading, Audi coming back into F1. And then you've got Daniel Ricardo, who's no longer in the sport. Was the R.B stints like the last possible attempt for him in F1? Was there ever any chance he could have got back into the sport if he wanted to? I think the final RB stint damaged his reputation, that he did such a brilliant job at building up. I think, unfortunately, this coincided with an era of cars, which we have seen as a struggle for some drivers.

You know, Lewis Hamilton is arguably having a real issue with these ground effect cars, and we might see something different in the new era. I think Ricardo is of the same ilk. I think he's built the same way in the sense that in this current era, the way the cars operate, he just doesn't gel with, he just doesn't connect with. He likes that smaller, nimble, more kind of rake-based car than a ground effect. car. And I think unfortunately, you compare that kind of lack of comfortable driving in this new era with being a team further down and him leaving Red Ball and going through these poorer

results. Unfortunately, when a Cadillac, for example, rocks up to the grid and goes, well, who do we want to put in our team? The damage has kind of been done there. So I think he would have to do a lot of bargaining, a bit of bartering, kind of trying to persuade people. And he's got great Charmer charisma, as we all know, he's got a great record in the sport. And he's got a great record in the sport. And So I'm not saying it's impossible that he couldn't come back, but I do think someone will be taking a risk at this point to bring him back. I do think he's gabbling out for a little bit too long. And to know if he would gel with the new era of cars,

it is a complete punt. You're really taking a shot in the dark to see if it works out for him. Unlike a Perez, who has only gone for such a small amount of time, unlike a Bostas, who was only gone for a very short amount of time, the time is now eking away from him. It's got on his side anymore. So, unfortunately, it feels like it would be very, very, very. unlikely that he would come out of retirement for a new team later in.

It felt to me with the McLaren stint, like he had enough goodwill from everything he'd done before that that you can accept that McLaren didn't go his way, but he didn't gel with the team, with the car. You still give him another chance after that, and that was RB. I feel like the RB stint was the ending sort of to his career, really. I appreciate this is a bit of a broad question for you, Harry, but we like to celebrate those that have come into F1 and achieve great things. What is Ricardo's legacy?

Like, what is his lasting legacy in this sport? He will, I think he almost sits on his own because he, like, he's a great driver, successful driver, multiple race winner, etc. I think on his day and in his Red Bulls stint those days were more often than not he could be faster than anyone

I think especially over a race I mean he was a good qualifier no doubt he has some great polls Monaco 18 Monaco 16 and to be that quick around Monaco in itself is quite a feat but I think his legacy and I'm not trying to diminish this in any him in any way but I think his

legacy he was like the first drive to survive F1 driver and I think he always will be I've been spoken about this before but you know obviously the first year of drive to survive rebel were like the top team because Misses and Fry didn't want to do it and Ricardo I think was the star

of that show hence why we you know you follow him so closely in the following series so he'll not's not taking away from his great achievements of the driver but I think that is something to be noted that he will always have that. And he is as much a brand than he is a racing driver. And perhaps that's

what he realizes. But, you know, Sam, you mentioned his other other ventures. I think, yeah, the Ricardo brand is strong. And there's so many fans of him, even though he no longer races, that will keep following him whatever he does. So, I mean, look at the reaction the other day. I'm pretty sure Ford turned the comments off on their, on that post before they even posted it, like, I think because they knew that it was going to get. people will all riled up. Well, how would you do that to your engagement rate, social media managers? Come on, that's a wing.

Ford's service can't take it. Yeah, this little, little company Ford, like, think about them. You know them, the upstarts and the old great America. Lucky youngsters, Ford. But yeah, so I think that that should be noted that I think he will go, you know, he'll go down as that first sort of, that first, not the first mega star reform, but you know what I mean? he sort of the first one who reached out beyond the core base of F1 fans.

He felt quite Hollywood, didn't he? Yeah, yeah. Agreed. Yeah, I know he made appearances on, you know, US TV shows in a way that F1 drivers haven't really ever done so before. So, yeah, the drive-to-surve element of it is definitely part of his legacy. I think history deserves to be kind to Daniel Ricardo, and I think it will, because I know, maybe unfairly, he gets a little bit compared to the.

the likes of his country, many gets compared to Mark Weber and Oscar Piastri, and we know Piastri, for example, is already, in terms of wins, he's going to go miles past Daniel Ricardo, you would think, even this season.

But you look at what he was able to do in his career. He never had the car. Like, he never had the car. He won eight races, but what I'm always interested in is, like, how many races did your teammates win against you? He won eight races. He conceded five races.

So he won more than he. his teammate beat him. Same for pole positions as well. He took four pole positions in his career. I think you're right. He's probably a better racer than a qualifier. His teammates only ever got one pole position against him. That's a very good record against anyone. And then you look at who his teammates were. Like, there have only been six drivers in the history of F1 who have won at least four championships. Two of them were Daniel Ricardo's teammates. It's not an easy challenge that he had. But yet, if you look at his record versus Vettel in that one season, and against Vastappen across three years, he scored more points than them.

And you can say, well, Vetter was past his prime and maybe Vestappen was before his prime, and I would agree with that. But at least part of that interpretation is based on the way that Daniel Ricardo made them look with what he did on track. So I think history will be kind and deserves to be it. Let's take our final break on this episode. On the other side, we're playing order please. Welcome back to the final part of today's episode.

It is time to play. F1 order, please. Whether it's a can of Coca-Cola or a lump of cheese, or we're ordering drivers by the size of their knees. This game is full of facts, just you waiting see. This is Formula One. Order, order, please. It feels like years since we played this last.

It does. Maybe it hasn't been that long. When was it? Like twice this year? It's been a while. It's been a while. So I'll explain the rules to everyone. Listen to a long F1 order, please. Six questions in front of me. There are four answers in the category that can be ordered in a certain way based on what I tell the guys to order it. And they have to take a guess from first to fourth. If they get it right, they get a point. Easy as that. But if they get it wrong, the other person has the opportunity to steal the point. But there's risk involved in that because if they try and steal the point and they also get it wrong in a different way, they lose it. So, Sam, what number would you like? Five, please, Ben. Number five. I'm going to give you four drivers.

I want you to order them based on when they first won a race in the 2012 season. Oh, good. I can't wait to get this one wrong. You've got Kimmy Reikinen, Lewis Hamilton, Jensen Button, and Pastor Maldonado. So good. Okay, well, I go past Malaghanado one, Spain. And I think the Spanish Grand Prix was like race seven or eight. So it doesn't help me at all, because, you know, just spitting pure facts all over this. I'm just trying to think while I'm talking, by the way. I'm going to say, Hamilton, Riking and busing, Maldonado. I think based on your confidence for this question, you won't be too surprised to learn.

that one wasn't the right order. That's a lovely way to deliver that use. I'm getting better at it now. Would you like to try and steal the point? Okay. You don't have to be. If you insist. Okay.

I will go for Button, Maldonardo, Hamilton, Reikland. Now the thing is, is you can't not look smug here because you have to play the celebration for yourself.

I can't reach the button. The flip side being, I have to play it if Sam gets it right. Oh, that is true. Very good point. I don't get anything right, so... Ha ha, buddy. That's a check, mate.

Jensen Button won the first race of that year, which was Australia. Maldenado, a second. He won race five, which was the Spanish GP. then it was Hamilton. It was race. Five. Race for, yeah.

Hamilton was race seven, which was Canada. And then Reichenham won race 18, which was Abu Dhabi. Harry. Get on with it, Kimmy. Yeah, I know, right? Come on, Kimmy. Number six, please. Number six.

Four teams, I want you to list them based on how many races they've done. Okay. Toro Rosso. And to clarify that is just as Toro Rosso and not any other iteration of that team. Alpine. same disclaimer cateram and prost from most to least most to least

I think most is Tora Rosso and then then Alpine then catering then then Prost that is not the correct which means Sam has the opportunity to steal if he wants to give it a go.

I love it to steal. I've already used up by out of context, LB. That's annoying. Just save them up, mate. Save them up. I'm going to go for the same order, but I'm going to swap the last two, so Prost and catering.

You did need to switch two around. I was not those two. And you forced Harry to play the music. for you. That one's for you, Prozzy. That's not making the cut. I'm actually extremely nervous about the next five minutes because Sam

is so sleepy. I can see his eyes. His eyes like slits. Ken Longer is in the danger zone. When you played the first percal banner, I danced with my eyes closed. You keep doing this slow eyes closed nod.

We'll get there, folks. Hey, I mean, you got that one, right. Toro Rosso, 268 leads the way. Alpine 106, Prost 83, Ketram 56. Sam, back to you. It is one all. And I'm number one, please, Ben. Number one. Four drivers, I want you to list them based on how many GP2 wins they had.

Oh, GP2-A-G. You've got Stoffel van Dorn. the goat Jolian Palmer the fake goat Lewis Hamilton because obviously Parmas the goat

and Romano Grosjean cool I hope Van de Garg was going to be in there but it's a real disappointment for me I actually don't know at all not a clue really?

So yeah I got in fact you know what this is a shock you that I couldn't get the wing as they'd order but I could get this right I think

Hamilton Grojean in the other two Palmer and who sorry Van Dorn Van Dorn Van Dorm

Palmer Not the right order No Who's shocked I knew that was going to be Absolutely not No Now this was a tough one

Leading the way The most GP2 victories Of all time Belongs to Stoffel Van Dorn With 11 Followed by Roman Grosjean with nine.

And I wasn't joking. I gave a clue in the intro, like, the goat is Jolian Palmer, because he's got seven, whereas Lewis Hamilton only has six. I love it, the goat is third on this list. He's the goat. The goat of P3s. Right, it's still one all, and Harry, it's back to you. Number one.

You'll have a good chance to get number one right, because that's two wins. Number two. I want you to list these four circuits based on how many times Max Verstappen has one. Unfortunately, you got a hint from earlier. Monaco, Spielberg, Barcelona and Baku. Oh. Oh, ho! Um, so Baku at the least.

Backo at the bottom Backo at the bottom Sorry, it was Monaco, Spielberg and what? Barcelona. Barcelona? Catalonia. Catalonia. Then I think Monaco

then Barcelona then Spielberg. I mean, outside of ordering it back to front. Oh, sorry. I'll allow it. Oh, thank you. Stay with us, son. I wish you got out on right first time.

Spielberg five times, Catalonia four times, Monaco twice, Baku just once. Where are we at? Sam, it's back to you, as well? Shambles, is this? Sambles. Four, please.

Number four. You know what, he might be tired. Still knows his numbers. Still knows his numbers. He's on it. One to six. He's got it. nailed down.

Hey, it's hard, all right? I'm aware, yeah. Four drivers, I want you to list them based on how many consecutive years they led a Grand Prix. What? My brain has a computing how that works. Sam.ex and you stop working. Do that in laps. So if they've led a lap in a season, that's one.

Yeah. But if they've done it two years in a row, that's two. How many in a row? How many seasons ago wrong? How many years are they learned? Yeah. I was so confused. Fernando Alonzo, Mika Hakenen, Felipe Mesa and Michael Schumacher.

Okay. Most to least, I guess. Michael Mika, Fernando Masa. They sound like two different people. Michael Mika and Fernando Masa. Nice to meet you. My Halloween act. The score stays at 2-1.

Harry, would you like the opportunity to steal? No, I do not. Michael Schumacher was the correct way to kick off that list. 15 consecutive seasons. After that, it was Alonzo with 12, then Masa with 10 and Hakenham with 8. Oh, me. I know.

I know, right? He shouldn't have gone on that sabbatical, which means, Harry, you have the opportunity to win the game. Number. Three. There it is. Now I'm awake.

for four drivers I'd like to list them based on how many total points they've scored in their career okay Carlos Sines Rubens Barichello Sergio Perez Esteban Ocon

Oh I don't know A second drivers in there Yeah they will just they might as well have all the same points Atok on sorry signs Ocon who. Perez was that one. I will go for

Perez has got the most then Barrakello then signs then I've got no idea wrapping up surely he's got no idea and he's wrong which means Sam at 2-1 down I feel like the best possible play here is to try and steal

Oh, I was just going to leave it Someone to get to bed Protect him on one point Call it there Who the drivers Sikes Farakello Ocock and who It's still Perez

Oh yeah He's been forgot twice now Perez Bless him Sorry, Checo I'm going to do the wrong swap I can feel it But I'm going to go Czechos Sikes, Barakello, Okon.

That's just what I say, wasn't it? No, you said Barakle. Oh, I see. Bangor second. It's ever so slightly different. It's right. And it's right. Shut those eyes.

Are you going to give up a draw there, son? How much better do you feel now that you've got to all draw? You know what? Nothing is more worth it. No one here. totally worthless. Well done. The bell atone is lost with my sleep.

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