The Late Braking F1 Podcast - 9 RACES IN: Title Fight or Title Fade for Verstappen?

Episode Date: June 5, 2025

The LB boys catch their breath after the triple header, discussing whether the title fight is now between the McLarens, or if Verstappen still has a shot. They also weigh in on Stroll’s possible absence from his home race, Verstappen’s take on Tsunoda, and Szafnauer teasing a 12th team bid. They wrap up with a game of Higher or Lower... FOLLOW us on socials! You can find us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠X (Twitter)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUPPORT our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for bonus episodes JOIN our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Discord⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ community JOIN our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠F1 Fantasy League⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ EMAIL us at [e-mail]   & SUBSCRIBE to our podcast! TIDE: Save more, earn more—up to 4.22% AER (variable). Interest rates are tiered, with the top rate for balances over £1M. Each tiered rate applies to the portion within that range. New Tide members get these rates free for 6 months; after that, your Tide plan’s rates apply. For full offer T&Cs visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠tide.co/savings⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 Podcast. Make sure to check out new episodes every Wednesday and every Sunday. Welcome to the late breaking F1 podcast presented by Harry Ead, Sam Sage, and me, Ben Hocking, reviewing, well, not reviewing anything today. I've just no used to being a race. There's nothing on this weekend. Oh, it's a good start.

What should preview instead, Sam? Let's preview the, well, week of F1 news. This doesn't work. This is obviously the worst intro we've ever done, bang. Why have you mucked it up? Why have you mucked it up?

I was actually going to ask if you'd kept up with a recent trend on the likes of Twitter of wheel knowledge and if you had any thoughts on it. Every time that I see the word ethical wheel, I do a bit of sick at my own top. Yes, I am a bit unwell

and I lose a year off my life. So it's great, Harry. I only saw this today. What have I missed? What does that mean? What does it mean? It's the opposite of terror wheeler. You're like three range eggs and you have like caged eggs.

Yep. It's that, but racing. It's people advocating for side by side racing rather than forcing someone off. So if you force someone off, that's terror wheel. Oh, I see. The ethical wheel is allowing side by side racing. Weirdly, Sam. like to advocate for a terror wheel roller coaster ride.

Sam, your explanation weirdly made me more confused when you started talking about eggs. Is that a surprise? Why do we have to say ethical wheel? We don't. We don't say the wheel either. Because it's the opposite of terror wheel. I hate it endlessly. That is flummoxed me.

But anyway, you know what? I'm really glad that I kicked off this episode. that topic because we are going to absolutely leave that topic here and go on to the other things that are actually on the schedule. We're going to be playing F1 higher and lower a little bit later on in the episode, a bit about Lance Stroll as well, who of course missed the Spanish GP and unknown as of yet as to what his plans are for the Canadian GP, of course, his home race. But we're going to start off with the championship position, the driver's championship position as we head out of the Spanish GP. Of course, McLaren had a very good Spanish.

Grand Prix, Oscar Piastri, picking up 25 points for the win. Lando Norris picking up another 18 points for second place. And their closest challenger to this point has been Max Verstappen, who after receiving the 10 second time penalty towards the end of the Grand Prix scored just one point for 10th. And that leaves the driver's championship looking like this. Oscar Piastri leads the way on 186. That's 10 clear of Lando Norris on 176. But Max Verstappen is now 49 points back of.

Piaastri in third. That gap was just 22 after his win in Imala. So, Harry, I'll go to you first on this one. We're nine races down in the season. We've still got 15 to go. Are you yet willing to say this is a two-horse fight? Or is Vestappen still very much in this? I would say never count out Max Vastappen.

He can't really afford to lose his head in the same way that he did in Spain, many times going forward. But, yeah, count Vastappen out of your power. The fact that he's even, the fact that we're even having this discussion about Max Vastappen now is enough to say don't count out Max for Stappen. Because quite frankly, that car shouldn't be anywhere near a possibility of a championship fight. So, yeah, it's going to be tough for Stappen. I think he probably would have hoped, well, obviously Spain wasn't a great result for him in the end. But pace-wise out to Spain, I think he and Red Bull were probably hoping for a little.

a bit more with the whole technical directive coming in, etc. And it just wasn't enough. They gave it a good go strategy-wise to try and beat McLaren, but it didn't work. But we've seen it multiple occasions this year where they have been quicker than the McLaren or Max has been quicker than the McLaren and, you know, exceptional circumstances where they've been able to beat them. So, yeah, it's going to be super tough for Vestapp. And he's, whereas last year he had.

the advantage at the start where he had those, you know, great wins at the start of the year. He's not had that this year. So he's fighting sort of the same, what he was fighting with the back end of last year. He's fighting for the entirety of this year. And that's really tough. So I think for the most, he's just going to have to hope that he can't afford, as I said, can't afford to do what he did in Spain. He needs to be more like he has been for the rest of the year where he's just picking up

the points where he can. And then hope for occasions where the car is, is better or he can make the car, do things it probably shouldn't do and also hope for maybe some inter-team controversy with McLean but yeah I'm not going to say he's a favourite for it but he's certainly he's certainly still in the fight

I don't think you should count him out at your at your power there's a reason one Mr Ben Hocking has put him as his pick for the championship and at the moment I know it's not looking likely but it's looking more likely than unlikely which I would have guessed

I wouldn't have guessed, sorry, at the start of the year. Just a quick point on that McLarengeo of Piastrian Norris. And I've seen a few people say this, and I absolutely agree with it. When nine races into the season, they've both been competitive at most Grand Prix that we've gone to. And yet, in terms of wheel-to-wheel action, barely anything. It's nothing. Rosberg and Hamilton, this is not. No, and everyone was praying for it.

Yeah, everyone was praying for it in Spain. And it was just, it didn't happen. Yeah. Sam, we're not even 40% of the way through this championship, which speaks a lot to the inflation of the calendar over the last couple of years, that we can be nine races in and not 40% of the way into the championship. But are you in a position where you think this is going to be a fight between just the two McLaren drivers,

or do you think that Vastappen could still find a way back into this? Well, maybe I love peril. Maybe peril is now my middle name, because Max Vastappen, I am counting out from this point onwards. Sorry, Max. It's championship bye-bye time. After going rounds, look at the points that we had last time out. You all remember that going into the 2024 season, that Red Bull still looked ultra-competitive,

was probably the fastest car on the track, at least for the first three or four Grand Prix, and then maybe it started to balance out. Eventually, we got the Mercedes coming through, the McLaren came through, even Ferrari, Hager Sprague at the top. But after nine rounds, Max Verstappen was 56 points, clear of the next closest racing driver who was Charles LeCler.

So Max had 194 points after I'm round. Charlotte Claw had 138. This time around, Max sits in third, as we know, on 137 points. So he is 57 points down on this time last year. And the issue here is that he's so much further behind two very competent McClaries, who didn't have the four race kind of behind that they started with last year. They kicked off immediately. So they are already ahead of the game.

Max doesn't have that buffer that he allowed him to survive at the end of the 2024 season. We're all in agreement that that Red Bull and Max Verstappen were not the fastest package on the racetrack on the end of the 2024 season. But because he got such a good head start as displayed by those points in 2004, it allowed him to hold on to the driver's title. Now, unfortunately, with the internal issues that are going on at Red Bull, with the second seat being an absolute state, with Max Verstaffing seemingly a bit up and down

with how happy he is, I just can't. can't see him being able to claw back these points, especially if Red Bull use their noggins and work out two problems. One, how to be fast in 2026. Two, how to be fast in 2026 with both cars, because you don't really win championships if only one of you can get points. I think they pack it in. I think this is between the McLaren guys. You make a good point on the lead that Vastappen established very early on last season and how he was able to almost survive the empire that season. I don't think it was just surviving.

The way in which he raced towards the end of the season, if we think of the United States, Mexico in particular, I think he can only afford to do that because of the margin he had. And of course, this season, not heading that way at the moment. My answer to the question of, is this a two horse races? No, but I would say it with a lot more conviction two races ago. But I'm still going to maintain no for the time being. Red Bull and Vastappen must have been feeling so good after Imola

because it wasn't just a victory. It was a well-earned victory that I know that the safety cars made it look a little bit closer than what it was. It was really comfortable. Not only everyone will focus on the term one overtake and that's like the highlight of that race coming out of it. But a lot of focus needs to go on what Vastappen was able to do in all stints and how McLaren weren't able to catch up to him.

So they must have been feeling very good after that. And even after Monaco, which didn't go brilliantly well for Red Bull, Vastappen finished fourth in that race, Piastri was third, they weren't expecting it to be a great track. I don't think they would have been overly demoralized after that one. I'm just hearing that back and like, that's incredibly weird to think like Monaco is not the Red Bull circuit because famously it was even when they weren't competitive,

say six or seven years ago. But really Spain was a kick in the teeth. is probably the best way I can put it because put all the penalty after the safety car things to one side in terms of pure competitiveness McLaren had the upper hand and we're at a point now

and this is to what you were saying Sam about the McLaren duo is Piastri to use one of our three favorite words is really cool and you've got Lando Norris who's quick pretty much everywhere and most importantly they are consistent

and that is the most difficult thing to beat in motorist's sport is consistency. It doesn't matter what, you know, where they've gone, whether it's been the street circuit of Miami or the rain of Australia or the high temperatures of Spain,

Monaco's a very unique challenge. They've answered every question. They just don't have any weaknesses. And at this point, after the whole technical directive thing has kind of blown over, we're left asking the question, are they going to really realistically find one? Are they going to find a weakness in this second

after the season. The answer might be no. Again, the consistency of both drivers. Piastri, after that ninth place finish, has had eight consecutive podiums. He becomes only the 13th driver in F1 history to have accomplished that. Just some of the night, like Prost, Fittapaldi,

Fangio, none of them ever did what Piastri is currently doing, eight podiums in a row. So he deserves a lot of respect for that. Norris as well, eight out of nine podiums. So that's very tough to be. We'll see. I'm not willing to say Red Bull and Bustan, are completely out of it yet because Max Verstappen is Max Verstappen,

and he's shown twice already this season that he can do it, but he's going to have to do it a lot more consistently than he has so far this year. Harry, as Sam sort of alluded to, there is maybe a discussion coming up if it's not already here about whether Red Bull pack it in for this season and start to focus on 2026 exclusively. Are we at that point yet? I think we are maybe a race or two off

but it's got to be in the back of their minds is this yeah I think again you're right Ben after Imala if you'd ask that question or ask them that question they probably would have given a different answer to they would now so it's looking like a much tougher fight post

post Spain as it did post than I did post similar. So I think they might give it a couple more races before they throw the towel in on this year and go for 2026. It's a real tricky balancing act as well because I think this Dapen's not going anywhere for 26, but you give him a car that gets increasingly worse

for the rest of this year. That's going to be a tricky one. Do you want to be the ones to have that conversation? No, I don't want to do that. So that's... That's like a give that to helmet job. So yeah, that's going to be a tricky one to manage from their side. And especially throughout the year,

they obviously have to really sell the dream to the staff in that 2026 will be better. But that's a tricky one to envisage as well currently. So yeah, I think they will give it a couple more races. See how, yeah, see how the next, you know, see how Canada goes. But Canada's an older one as well because that's kind of an anomaly as well. it doesn't normally conform to, you know, the pace we see at other, other tracks. So we could get to Canada and Vestappen could be back in that fight again in a way that he wasn't in Spain.

So, and then what do they do? Because if they can keep being in the fight at just odd occasions, that might confuse their, their decision. But I would imagine that they will start, they will begin to focus on 26 pretty soon. But then what's the advantage? because if McLaren are then sort of left rival-less, they can just concentrate on 2026 as well. So you're not really gaining anything.

So it's a tricky one for them to decide, but I think they probably will do soon. Your logic is sound if it wasn't for Ferrari, who are probably going to be fighting this championship up until December 31st. I would bank on that. We can still win it, guys. I still there.

Damn, we got hands. Yeah, I think it is close to that time. I kind of had two things noted down for it might be time if either of these two things happens. Number one is, you remember how dominant McLaren were at Miami? If we get another one of those, maybe time. The other one is this race ban that's sort of hanging over the head of Vastappan right now. He's obviously one point away from that race ban. And I know a lot of attention has gone on to.

of those points are going to be taken off. Is it two races time? That's still only three needed. And the next set don't come off for quite a long time after that. So if he does get a race ban, and McLaren score, as they have done in that race where Vastappen isn't there, that's a difficult comeback.

Sam, we've spoken to the mentality of Red Bull and what they do for the rest of this season going into next year. But maybe a bit more on Vastappen. what do you think Sunday's result tells us about Vostappan's mentality if we're comparing maybe a championship mentality to a race-by-race mentality? I think Vastappan is very frustrated, generally, at the world of Formula One. Max Vastappen is a very, he's a black and white fella.

He likes things to be a certain way, and he likes to just crack on with that, and what have it messed with? And I think the journalistic side of things, I think the stupid rules coming from the FIA, I think all of the internal, we'll say mischief going on at Red Bull, I think it's causing him to just grow more and more frustrated with, it's muddying the waters in a sport that he absolutely adores

and wants to be brilliant at. And he's always stated, you know, I'm not here to break records. I'm not here to be a seven, eight-time world champion. He's just a winner. He's just here to compete and he's here to win. And I think the more political, controversial, internal layers that get in the way of just him allowing himself, to be a winner, put him off and frustrate him.

And we see red-missed moments like we saw with Max at Spain. And it's not the first time we've seen it. But when we had seen it previously, Monza, 21, with the Hamilton, for example, springs to mind. But that was driven by a direct rivalry for a championship fighting. And you can almost sit there and go, right, your actions were excusable. But there is a reason why it happened. And I can understand the reasoning behind it.

Whereas here, he's not not in the championship. But he's not leading. It's not battling like he was last year. So the way that everything else has gone on, plus obviously he's a new father. I imagine that's got to have something on your mind as well. There's a lot going on. There's a lot on his shoulders.

So I don't think he's got the mindset of winning a championship right now. I think he's struggling with a lot of different directions, conflicting him. And that will also, no matter how great you are, cause you to not be at the peak of your powers, especially when you're battling a force like McLaren, who, as you said earlier, seemingly have absolutely zero weakness.

other than their communication where they can't decide who gets to go first. Very true. I think Saturday, Sunday's result, spoke to how race to race, Vestappen is at the moment. And I understand it completely because you have to remember with Vestappen, and he's maintained this over the course of his career. His ambition was to get to Formula One and win a world championship. But he was always very adamant, like, I want to win a title. And anything that follows after that is a bonus

but he's never been a records guy He's never been I want to win eight world championships So I'm the most decorated driver in history Or the most wins of all time He just wanted to win that one And he'd take that off obviously Like four years ago And he did it with Red Bull as well

Of course the team he's still with So I can understand why him versus other drivers He's a bit more race to race And it's almost like what's in front of him And can he just maximize whatever's there I'm trying to think of any time that Vastappan has almost just prioritized the championship over the race at hand

and the only one that springs to mind is Las Vegas last year where he basically let Lewis Hamilton through which would have been a weird sentence to say like three years before that but that was the race in which he could actually win the title and it was for fifth or whatever I maintain if that was for a win

he isn't playing that the same way so yeah we'll see how it goes forward him for the rest of the season. But that move that he pulled on Russell, regardless of what you think of the penalty and, well, fortunately everyone agrees on it and it's a very valid penalty and it should have been harsher.

Regardless of what you think of it, it wasn't a good move for the championship. He had two options. He could have either let Russell through and just pick up the 10 points and just, you know, rescue it almost. Or the other option was to go against his team and say, you know what, actually, I'm certain

what I've done there is fine, I'm going to keep the position and we'll argue it with the stewards. He kind of did neither and he got the worst of both option because he let Russell through, albeit with damage, and also picked up that time penalty for the collision. So he kind of didn't achieve either. And for the championship, really cost him. Let's take our first break on this episode, on the other side. Landstrel. He's hit? He's coming on in person. This is what he was doing when he skipped the race. Welcome back, everyone. I see. Something from the Spanish GP weekend that we didn't get a lot of time to discuss as everything else was happening on track was Astor Martin announcing that ahead of the Spanish GP, Landstrol would miss the race due to pain in his hand and wrist,

linked to surgery following his 2023 cycling accident. He will now undergo an operation to address the issue. Separately, the BBC has reported that Stroll damaged garage equipment and swore at team members after qualifying. asked about the outburst and Ashton spokesperson said, Lance was upset, but insisted the incident was unrelated to his injury. His participation in the Canadian GP, which takes place on the 15th of June,

is now in doubt. I feel like we're getting slightly speculative here, Sam, but are the two incidents related? Tingful hats firmly on, please, gentlemen. I saw a response, well, apparently from a certain race engineer that said Lance swearing at the team, no chance.

Failed to mention anything about damaging equipment. Very, very choice words there. There's every chance that these are related. Lance Stroll has quite topsy-turvy with his mood and the way he's reacts to things. We've seen him before

lash out when it comes to poor results or frustrating moments in the garage. You'll remember not too long ago when he pulled into the pit lane. He launched his, steering wheel out of the car when he was frustrated. And there's been talks and slight documentation that he could be a frustrating young man.

He could get a little bit wound up with certain things. And it seems oddly coincidental that this event has apparently happened. And now is the race that his risks and hands suddenly hurt, despite having the surgery and everything over a year and a half ago at this point. It does seem odd that those two things are so close together. So maybe there's something going on at Astero. Martin, which means that he is more frustrated or more upset, then he normally would be from a Q1 exit.

You got remember he's got, he's got a lot of those. So it's got like it's anything new for him to be annoyed about that one. It was going to snap him one day, surely. Eventually. Like a straw on a camel's back. I got a Q1. It's just like Q2.

Don't tell him so. My guy should be shedding late. You should be shaking it off. I'm a new man. But no, no. I do think this is related. I must admit if I, you know, but it's purely speculative, purely rumour-based, but it seems very oddly coincidental that these two things have arisen on the same weekend

with no mention or discussion about this ever before. So, yeah, something is clearly bothering him and he has possibly reacted in a really negative and unprofessional manner. Sam, understandably, very carefully answering the question. So, Harry, I'll leave it to you to be the click-bait one and draw comparisons between these two incidents and say that 100% guaranteed one led to the other. Thank you, Ben. That's very kind of you, you idiot.

It's a little bit stinky, isn't it? Just a little bit, a little bit poo-y this. No, no, no. Cren needs to stop. Someone drop-wanging here. It's better than the ethical will trend, so I'll take it. Oh, terror poo. That's what you do after a curry, right?

No, anyway. I'm a drink. Again, the topic is that strong. Sorry, yes, you're right, Ben. Yeah, look, hard to know because as you say, it's pretty speculative. It does seem quite a coincidence that these two things have happened. If he was in such, so much pain that it's forced him to withdraw from the race, that pain kind of just in it in his wrist that I'm saying.

that pain can't have just appeared after qualifying on Saturday. It can't have been okay to deal with and then suddenly too much to deal with for a race distance. Yeah, so that in itself makes it seem a bit odd. The timing is very odd because if it's an injury that he's had, obviously is an injury he's had for a while because it was something he did at the start of 2020-23, but if the pain is something he's been having for a while,

which to force someone to not race, you'd imagine he's been having it for a while. Why was it suddenly too much after qualifying? Why was it not too much before the weekend? And that would have given them opportunity to put in someone who wasn't Felipe Drogovich because he's never allowed to actually race an F on. But yeah, so that timing itself. And then obviously on top of that, these, these, these rumors,

this story that he was unhappy after his exit in Q2. makes it makes it seem a bit, bit off, bit off. Maybe he damaged, maybe he did do something and he actually damaged the, the injury you already had. That's the theory I've seen flying around a bit. But who knows? I would be, I am intrigued to see what they do before Canada because it's, like it can be timed any worse because that's his literal,

home race and it's also the 100th race since Aston Martin rejoined F1 like great timing all round so who knows what they're going to do with that one but yeah I for now it is speculative it's they are

unlinked but it's quite the coincidence that this happened and then he withdrew from the race the next day so yeah we may all be proved wrong there may be a genuine issue and obviously if there is then we wish we wish Lance well and the stories about him losing his temper may not be they may be unfounded

although there have been multiple sources but yeah we'll see if there's a genuine there's a genuine injury then we we wish him well there are mindful eye witnesses but they are unfabbed a little bit more on the Canada plan the the planet in a little bit oh yes If Terra Pooh can't be said on the podcast, we can't have Plangida. I don't think they're the same. I can't never go well. And Terrapu aren't equal. It's a real.

You know what, same level. It's a real neck and neck race at the moment for what my outro is going to be tonight, but I'll keep you guessing. Plenty of early options for you, Harry. Yeah, just like YouTube, being slightly careful about, is this a coincidence if it's not? I'm going to say something similar of, sure is odd if it's not a coincidence

or if it is a coincidence it wouldn't be the first time that we've seen him lose his temper he just seems so chill 95% of the time and then like once in a while he just loses it I think the two things that people

are speculating about coming out of this weekend is did this outburst cause the injury and secondly did he not have an injury and actually was just kind of asked to sit this one out. On the second one, I'm less sure

because he was still in an okay-ish position, like starting from 14th. And we knew that it was going to be a race of a lot of strategy, a lot of tire wear, a lot of things could and did happen. So I don't think Aston Martin would sit him out without good reason. Bear in mind as well, Landstrol so far this season has 14 points. He had 6th in Australia. That came from a 13th place grid start.

He got ninth in China. That came from a 14th place grid start. And then he had fifth in the Miami sprint. He started 16th in that race. So all of his point scoring position so far have come from spots where you wouldn't necessarily think that he's going to achieve a point scoring position. So I don't think they would have sat him without good reason. In terms of whether the outburst has caused his injury or not, who knows?

We are guessing. Sam was the planet. I'm not answering the question if you're going to phrase it like that, but what's the plan of this, Samadda? Okay, mine doesn't sound as bad now, right? Oh, God.

Hate the pair of you so much. What is the plan for Canada? No. Absolutely throw me off there with that stupid phrasing as well. What should they do? What are their options? Put drug eviction in the car. It's as simple as that.

He should reserve. He should test. He's got a laugh. on the grid. He's banned from racing. Should he do it? Like, not just speaking from Master Martin's perspective,

he's got a 24 hour of LeMont to race at the moment. Like, should he do it if he's not? It's tough, isn't it? Because I think Dragavich is almost at the point where if he doesn't impress in, do a bit of a colopinto or a certain other driver that did Welling Monsor and then got very swiftly booted from a Red Bull Junior program.

But if you impress in one race and you're able to suddenly catch the eye of a team that goes, oh, we do need a driver, actually, and Drogovich is looking for a way out. Maybe this is his one time to shine. But equally, you know, 24-Han-Lamong is almost the jewel in the crown of the triple crown this year. The Indy 500 wasn't anything spectacular in terms of how they go.

Monaco is being a damp squid for God goes how long. So the 24-Hourne-Lamong is a real pivotal race this year. And if he is successful in it, if he's able to go on and do something special, then maybe he sets himself up to have a really prolific career in insurance racing. You're seeing how Mick Schumacher is thriving over there, having a much better time of it. Maybe it's time that Druggovich does turn his hand at something else. Whether he should do it or not, I'm F1 focusing.

I think, yeah, you know, you're an F2 champion is what he's clearly committed to doing. You get a spot to racing, a car that is clearly improving. You give it your best shot, you give it a go, and you hope that someone sees you for what you're worth and that this puts you in the driving seat properly full time. But, you know, I'm not Philippe Pugovic. She's a far more talented man than I'll ever be. So there you go.

I'll take you over, Drogovich. Don't you worry, mate. Harry, I'm going to give you a sentence that is going to shock you. I'm not a doctor. But I think Lansdrol shouldn't race at this Canadian GP. Even if, like, it's determined that he could race. It feels a bit like we've got a two-week gap, obviously, coming into Canada, and then we've got a two-week gap coming out of it.

it's pretty rare nowadays to have that on the F1 calendar. I know it's his home race. It does feel like an opportunity for him to fully rest up, even if he could technically just about race. You don't get many of those opportunities in the F1 season and instead give the car to either Drugovic or I guess Bottas might be the next in line after him. I don't know.

I think he should do that. What do you think? Agreed. Because if this is, you know, genuine, in if he're taking it at face value and it's a reoccurrence of an injury he's already had he's already had operated on then yeah rested up because he he he did that a did that injury to both wrists I believe only a few weeks before the f1 season started in 2023 so he and it was super impressive the fact that he he got in that car that weekend and drove because I think he was

stood in some quite some considerable pain. But are we seeing the, are we seeing the downside of that now in that he's now suffering with more pain again? So I think trying to rush back into the car and that quite frankly, of all people on the grid, of all drivers on the grid who probably don't need to worry about losing your seat, it's you, Lance.

So you're probably okay to miss a race or even to and be okay. Yeah. So I think, yeah, don't try. I know it's his home race and I mentioned it's a big week. for Aston but don't rush back into this for the sake of for the sake of that because this is not a big year for you for for for for for for Aston Martin it's it's all on 26 um and if he wants to have a successful year next year coming back early in and and injuring those those risks again or doing something to not fully aid the recovery of

those those injuries just not worth it so um yeah I I'm I am agreeing with you, Ben, I think it's just worth taking that break that you can. And even if he missed Austria, because then that gives him, is that six weeks then? Because it's under two weeks to, two weeks to Silverston. And that's a solid amount of recovery time. So, yeah, I'm fully, fully, uh, agree with you. I'm expecting resounding yeses to my next question. Shall we do the F1 fantasy update?

Yes. Uh, the reason, it's a, it's a good week to be able. LB. It's a good week to be LB. Everything's coming up LB in F-on-Fantasy this week. But before we get to how we're doing, let's have a look at the top three in the championship overall. And there's not a lot of change.

Still the leader, warning Dor Hajjar, well done to you. Such a good name. Yeah, we're going to keep saying that every week. It is such a good name. And the next two are also the same. Just change positions. So stop what you're doing is now second. And going down one spot is really,

There's Reza Ritterre on 2172. So top three, nice, Tori and you're welcome. In terms of the Spanish GP, 10 different teams all manage to use their wild card and lead the way. And you're just on the cusp of how many I'll read out. I'll battle through this. We've got Bearman and the Broke Boys, but handsome, chow boys, Ferrari or McLaren Plus.

in JV we trust Lewis we are on plan Z Murrayism 1994 Pants optional Postman Fat F1 and Scuder Leo

Farrar Rosco Wow I like Bert I like Bert Hansom that's my favourite one I don't know if you can read out the Leo Rosco one again big I'm not happy with that one

that's fair an attempt was made. And thank you for that attempt. And in terms of us for improvements all around. So I've gone up 60 spots now inside the top 100 on 86. Producer Kirstie, I'm very glad that this didn't start on like week five because Kirstie's on an absolute tear at the moment. Up 280 more positions.

Knocking on the top 1,000 now, 1,050.50. again, there was a time that was in the 2,200s, nearly in the top 1,000 now. Harry, your team, of course, the only way is up. And this week, that is true, up 153 spots to 1,416th. And Sam, whilst you might still at the moment be in last place, big time improvement as well, up 180 spots to 1,734th. That's what happens when you don't take a 10-point reduction. Yes.

No points reduction equal good. Yes. Put it in the book. If you aren't a member of the League already, make sure you get in the description of this episode, follow the link through and join, unless you're doing very well, in which case we're not interested.

Right, that's going to lead us on. We are, actually. You can join. That's going to lead us on to our second break. On the other side, we've got some comments from Max Verstappen about Yuki Sinoda. Welcome back, everyone. Max Verstappen's getting a bit of it.

time on this episode and he's going to get a little bit more because he was asked about Yuki Sonoda's last place qualifying result in Spain. Vastappen said he's not a pancake, right? He looked good against Hadger in the racing bulls, but yeah, it is what it is. He added, it's been going on for a while, maybe that's a sign, pressed on what it signified. He replied, you can answer that yourself. I should clarify at this point, the most direct translation to what he said, R.E. Pancake. It's a Dutch slang word that essentially means someone who's useless.

So he's saying that Sonoda is not useless, which I guess just about passes as a compliment. Sam, what do you make of his comments? What do you think he's insinuating here? Well, he may not be a pack cake, but he was pretty crepe in the Spanish Grand Prix. I really hate myself for it, but I'm a fan. Yeah.

Come round to breakfast, because we are cooking up a storm. What? Sorry, right, back to the actual comments. Max is exactly right, and he's calling out what we've been saying on this show now for much the whole season. The worst part is, I go back to last year's points,

Max Verstappen is significantly closer to what Sergio Perez was able to achieve after nine rounds than what he even got close to after nine rounds himself. And the worst part, of course, is that the leading second driver in the racing balls, Red Bulls family,

is Isaac Hajar. He's the next driver from that team in the top 10. We've had two drivers, one more expertise, one more significantly talented maybe than the other in terms of Senoda and Lorsson have battle in that Red Bull seat. And both have struggled significantly. Both have shown worse pace.

Both have been less consistent. Both have not been able to produce any results that we expected them to be able to produce. And Sergei Perez fell foul to this. And before that, you had Gasly and album. And the list goes on for second. seat red ball drivers since Max for Stafford is being in that car and dominant that have struggled. Yuki Serga is not a pancake.

He's a very solid and dependable driver and he's really turned into someone that is very warranted to have their space in the Formula One paddock. He's not just there because of some Honda sponsorship anymore. He deserves to have a seat. But that Red Bull seat is incredibly difficult to get to hold of. And unless you're Max Verstappen who can drive in such a specific way that is only personal to him, you're not going to be successful in that car until they change what they're doing at that team

and that's why earlier in this episode I said that they've got bigger fish to fry they've got the focus on being successful in 20206 but for both cars they're not going to win championships if they're second driving and I matter who it is you know it could be Oscar Piastrian

I think he still struggle with how that car is set up in comparison to the McLaren they're not going to win championships if you can't be finishing regularly first second third or fourth to both of those cars on almost every race it doesn't work like that so Max is right

Max is trying to, I think, call out his own team in a polite but professional manner in the public. And they do need to work out why this is such a negative space, because he doesn't need to be. Because Vastappen and Ricardo, when they're at the peak of their powers together, were more than capable of being as quick as each other. So it is possible. But they have seemingly going in such a direction that means it's not so. What are you thoughts, Harry? Yeah, it feels like Max Vastappen is embodying that.

is it the Simpsons mean where he's like, am I the problem? But he's realizing he is the problem now. And not his fault. But the point he's making is all these drivers coming along and also not being good enough or struggling is indicative of what, as he says, and what we've been saying for a while of it,

it's a problem with that second seat, not these drivers, not these talented drivers that are coming along and then subsequently struggling. So, yeah, I think Max is very fair. to say this.

I bet the likes of Liam Lawson, Sergio Perez, Pierre Gazley, are all like, why don't you say that about me, mate? I'm not a pancake as well. But it, you know,

it's taking this time for him to say something. And I think it's valid. It's valid because it's so obvious, or so recent, I guess, in the memory for Sonoda, his form being good and then coming to this red ball seat

and taking a bit of a dive that it's, it's probably warranted this comment in the first place. So yeah, I agree with Max. I see what he's saying here. And maybe it's a little nudge to the Red Bull team to be like, look, come on, I can't do this all. I am one person here.

I can't win everything for you. So, yeah, I don't disagree. Don't disagree with what he's saying at all, even if the analogy is a little bit too breakfast food based for my liking. there is no such thing as an analogy being to breakfast food related yeah he's not a pancake I agree with you Max Verstapp and he's not a pancake

and it's such a weird situation that we're in now where we essentially have the second Red Bull seat which this season is a combination of Lawson for two races and Sonoda for seven that red ball seat collectively is being dogged walked by the Salber of Nico Holkenberg. Look, what, Holcombose are like double the points of that second Red Bull seat now? Is it just, it's madness.

But hey, Red Bull, just put Hadger in the seat. That will be the answer, right? And when he's not the answer, it will still be the driver that at some point, they've got to step in and realize that there's more to this than just driver is bad because not Max Verstappen. and we've seen, I guess, maybe since 2019, that when Red Bull are able to develop a dominant car, the second driver, who in fairness, I say second driver, Perez,

was able to do enough to support the Stappen to win the Constructors' Championship. But as soon as Red Bull lose that advantage, and they are just one of the fastest cars, it's not enough. And that second driver has struggled. And it's multiple second drivers. and including Perez that hasn't been able to keep pace with Vastappan. You look at the recent form, Lawson and Sonoda this year. Lawson, Vestappen was 3-0 against him in qualifying, 3-0 against in the race.

Sonoda, I think it's been 6-0 in qualifying, 6-0 in the race, and then we go to Sergio Perez, and even though the sample size is obviously much larger and he did get some wins, 7514 in qualifying, 79-11 in races. It's not close. I think he is insinuating here that I'd be good at the F-1 and no one can touch me, which wouldn't surprise me at all.

He's got a very good point, but it is something that the Red Bull really need to fix. Sam, have you got any concerns for Yuki Sonoda going forward, you know, in terms of what Red Bull might do or just his overall confidence as a racing driver? Yeah, history would be arguing against it, right? facts tells you, history tells you that no matter how good you have been,

Sergio Perez was one of the best, one of the class of the big field and was waiting for his big break, he gets it. He was stuck around longer than we expected, but here reputation was tarnished by that seat. Liam Lawson, we raved a bag before he came to F1. He had a pretty all right stink when he

first debuted in the racing ball, the VISA Cachech as it was back then. He did a good job. Gets his a red bull, dropped after what two races? Reputation ruined. Alex Albin, we looked at him and we thought, oh, you know, is there anything there? You've had your time? Finally, starting to be really a positive in people's mindsets.

Pierre Gassi went through the same thing, and Yuki Shingoda is going through the exact same process right now. It took Yuki Shing over four years for people to really go. This kid's good. He's really, really good. He's not the kind of reckless driver now that I can do, a couple of good races the season and the rest he's putting it in the wall or he's crashing or he's, you know, he's became a really, really dependable solid driver.

and he's been in this red bull seat for seven Grand Prix and he's crying, his images of his crying coming out of the paddock. You can see that he's exhausted and he's stressed and he's struggling. And I believe that Formula One, all sports, you should weigh on your mind. It's important to be good. It's important to be the best you can be.

But there's only so much you can do as an individual. And I think Yuki Sengoda is going to end up having his career in Formula One put at risk because if he gets turfed out at the wrong moment, moment, I don't know if he ends up going back. I don't know if racing balls pick him back up again and they swap him back in with Hajar and he stays there because he was there for four years. So Yuki Sienegro is really at risk of this is do or die. This is his last chance unless he gets really lucky and someone chucks out of safety

get on his way out or they find the reason why the second seat really is that tragic and they can start to move that car forward very, very, very soon. I think the last couple of years have really helped the. argument as well that it's not on the drivers because you mentioned both alban and gazley and i think at least for a time there was a case of with gazley it was okay he went down to the junior team and he did okay again and with albin it was yeah he's done okay for williams but not against anyone that's really any good gasley matched up very well against saba an ocon we've got alice albin who is matching up very well against carlos signs they're doing it against really good drivers so i think

it's maybe adding to the weight of the argument that there's something much further beyond the drivers. As it relates to Yuki Sanoda, I was really interested about this. So I went, I went and looked at his average qualifying position for Red Bull this year and how it stacks up with his earlier career for Alfa Tauri and then V-Carb. So if you look back to 2022, his average qualifying position was 13.5. The next year, 2023, basically, the same, 13.41. Last year, it was much better. It was 11.13. So he's basically averaging the top end of Q2. This year so far, just the Red Bull appearances, 14.13. So he's dropped three grid spots on average compared to what he was doing in the junior team last year. And at the moment,

it's averaging the worst of any season that he has, including his debut season, even though that was a solid alpha towery at the time. What do you think, Harry? Have you got any concerns about Sonoda? The thing is, I don't have the concerns about Sonoda on his own. I just think we've seen it so many times now, the environment that he's in, when I'm not saying he's in a spiral at the moment. It's been a couple of poor races for him.

But we've seen when this sort of thing happen, rather than a comfort. arm around the shoulder, you know, a good, a good motivation from the team or from the people in charge of the team, the pressure just gets powered on to these drivers. And my, my worry is the same will happen to Yuki here. I really hope it doesn't. But that's my worry. I have firm believe that he can regain that form if given the right support to do so. And look, you know, obviously with Imola, he went out, you know, his qualifying was bad because he had that massive crash. So we didn't really know what he would have qualified. Spain was particularly poor from his side.

But yeah, I believe if he's given the time to just adapt and try and find the right setup, et cetera, because let's not forget, he's only had a few races in this car. I think it's way too early to be, you know, not in red ball terms, but it is way too early to be, according to question his form here. They have to give him a fair chance. I know that's a difficult, difficult thought for Red Ball to have, but they need to give him a fair chance to try and get this right.

So, yeah, he just can't afford to have more races like Spain, to be honest, because that's the sort of thing that will really, really annoy the Red Bull bosses, I think, when the pace is there. There's external factors, fine. I know they want him to bow a roller car every weekend, but if the pace is there and he's done that, I think they would genuinely be less annoyed than if he's just slow. So, yeah, Spain, it can't have more Spain issues,

but he just needs to be him a bit more time, which Red Bull are reluctant to do it seems. Moving on, and we don't need to spend a lot of time on this topic, but I did want to raise it. We're still at a very early stage of this one, but it does relate to all by Safnauer, so 100% has to make. Come on.

Welcome back, Omar. Big up, Otmar Safnower, because he's had some comments recently about the potential of him launching a 12th team in Formula One. Here's a few quotes from that. He said, the finances are in place.

What I can tell you is they are serious people and they have the financial where we're all to be able to fund a Formula One team. He also said the car manufacturer that also wants to join Formula One is in place. So it's just a financial wearable to be able. a matter of the timing being right to actually get the opportunity to start the 12th team. Perhaps in the near future, there might be some for sale.

I think with the resources I've put together within a short time, I could be competitive. Obviously, we've only, Samari recently got the news that an 11th team is going to be appearing in Formula One. What are your thoughts on the legitimacy of an Otmar Safnauer 12th team? and then secondly, what do you think the teams would have to say about it? Yeah, whether it's a 12th team or whether it's the purchase of another team, that's two very, very different things. I think if they were able to make an offer that someone couldn't refuse, then there's every chance.

If they do have a manufacturer that's backing them, that's the key thing. You look at what happened to Andresi, which of course then became Kagalak, which is powered by General Motors. That suddenly became a lot more viable because Formula One has seemingly tried to angle themselves as being a manufacturer-led sport right now.

So we're moving away from those legacy brands that are what you see is McLaren, what you see is Williams, and much more focused on manufacturers leading the way. So Ferrari, your Mercedes, that kind of thing. Aston Martin, of course, now there. And I think if Othma has legitimately got a, I don't know, let's just say Toyota or someone has turned up and said to him,

we're not going to buy our house. We want to do our own team. Or we do want to buy them out totally and move them on. okay, cool, you can come in. I think the other teams will be quite willing to have that scene replaced by a manufacturer. If it is a 12th team and that manufacturer is a little bit sketchy, SK will be far harder to get your foot in the door. And I think there will have to be an absolute powerhouse.

Because remember the loopholes and the hurdles that were thrown at Agressi and Mencagallac to try and get them in the door, it was 200 million, then maybe it was 400 million, and maybe it should have been a billion at one point. the word was question in terms of an entry fee. And then there was a, you know, a remission cost where actually we're losing money so you should pay us back money so we don't make a loss on prize money. And then there was a value conversation of, are you bringing value to Formula One?

Are we bringing value to you? Well, what does that mean? It's very subjective. No, exactly. But what's to stop them doing the same thing for a 12th team? And they could. And legally, it's such a great area to sit there and say, Or do you bring value to F1?

Well, we don't know. Yes. I think we bring value to F1, but Formula 1 might not look at it that way. So in theory, yeah, Othma, you've got a chance. And I would love to see a 12th. I would love to see 24 drivers. I think Formula 1 is complete with 24 drivers on the grid.

It just feels right. But they make it so hard for an 11th that a 12th feels nigh on impossible. It feels like there'll be years and years of battles going on to get that across the line. So I think they'll have to buy. And I think basically it's either Haas or it's Alpine that become your options.

And it would have to be such an appealing offer because Formula One is such a financial beast right now. You make a profit. Your brand is through the roof. It's not just the game it used to be where you make a loss every year and you use Formula One as a vehicle for either marketing or pure R&D development back in the day

when things like battery power was becoming more common. It is a moneymaker now. It is a franchise. So giving up that spot is no. you're as simple as it used to be 10, 15 years ago. I think your point about how the value side of the conversation is so murky and it's difficult to work out exactly what it is, is a good one. And I think it could work for or against F1 because I think you're right.

Like they've obviously set their stool out with Andretti, with Cadillac, sorry. And if you fall short of that, they can very easily point to, well, you don't have what this team has, therefore we can't accept you. It works the other way as well because they've almost set the baseline with Cadillac. So if someone like Otmar comes along with an offer and it's like, well, we've got a reputable manufacturer. That was one of your conditions last time. We've got financially, you know, the same sort of security that Cadillac have.

That's what you were looking for last time. We've got that. I think it becomes more difficult to say no because at least like in the eyes legally in the it's like, well, how can you accept one and not the other? And of course, a lot of it's down to whether the application system is even open at the time. Ideal world, I think it should just be open all the time. But the way it runs at the moment, it has to be open. And yeah, I don't think there's going to be much in the way of discourse between the F1 teams to say,

should we lose some more money, bring another one in? I don't think that's going to happen. Thanks, you're going to have. Yeah. Undevena McCall, I think you can call the F1 teams. Action. Harry, I don't like to use absolute sentences all that often, but I'm going to make an exception here.

If Otmar Saffnauer was to buy Alpine, it would be the funniest thing that has ever happened on this planet. Man just wants to finish his 100 race plan. Remember the 100 race plan? He bought it for the 100. This is race 100. And then sells it. I'm out.

See you like, guys. I've done my job. Yeah. Achieves nothing and sells it. Yeah, I want that to happen now. Yeah. Make it a film. Someone, that's the F-1 film I want to see.

Yeah. This, look, as you've already mentioned and already said, we are definitely in favour of more teams on the grid. My only worry is that this just reeks a little bit of USF-1. if you want to if you weren't watching in F1 and 2010 go and Google it just a little bit

who are these multiple people you've got to come alongside you to help you can't just say oh we can say that yeah we've got we've got loads of great people to come along and make an F1 team with it's us

it's us and producer Kirstie and we're going to make an F1 team so let's go I'm a little bit skeptical I will but I want to remain positive but there's a genuine chance of this then why not

not, it feels only fitting that he does come back to off one and finishes a 100 race plan, whether it's with Alpine or with another team, just finishes a job. He hires Ghazley and Ockon. Or he hires Alonso Ampiastri. Yeah, Alonso Mpaastri. But yeah, who knows? I want to be positive. I want this to happen. I just, at the moment, I fear, a little bit skeptical. And then there's obviously all the practical elements you mentioned, Sam, about, you know, it took so much effort to get Cadillac, the powerhouse that is Cadillac into Formula One, Othmar and his motley crew. I don't have a lot of hope.

Oh, my God, that's the people. They've grown up. Of course it is. It's Othma and his nine children. Yeah. They're all going to be co-aragos. They're all going to 10% of the business. Perfect.

A bit of a while since we've had an hot market joke. Yeah, well done. So there you go. I hope it works out for your hotmar, mate. For the sake of the podcast content, make it happen. Because goodness me, please. You brought up US racing. And like USF1 is, it makes me laugh so much because it never got off the ground.

But like you look at the three teams that did. And it's like you were the ones who didn't get. You lost to HRT. How bad is your entry that the three teams that made it stunk up F1 for years? They sucked so bad. Yeah. You were worse than that. Wasn't USF one's premise?

They're going to buy the Toyota like chassis that had already been made or something? How can that stink as a proposition? Like we've got the cars already. How bad is your team? Nah, we'll run with HRT, it's fine. Yeah, much better. You know what, no. Virgin Racing and Lucas de Grassy, that's the way forward.

Right, let's take our final break on this episode. On the other side, we're playing F1, higher and lower. Welcome back, everyone. It's time for F1 higher and lower. This is a random fact, but I had a long car journey to come with yesterday. I listened back to our live show from Austin last year and to that higher and lower game where the audience absolutely mugged me off

and I kind of forgotten how badly they did but thank you for that folks who were there. I forget a lot of things. I don't forget that day. Best day. Sam's got it in his diary. Best day in my life. Best day in my life ever.

Five-working for live warnings. I was just, weren't all of the wrong answers worth it for the jubilation of the last one? And that is true. The cheer was almost as big as the one for Norm from Texas. So thank you, everyone. There are two five ones I celebrate in life. That time we beat Germany.

And that time I beat you. Very much to say, very, very much equal stakes on that one. Emil Heski appears in both. Anyway. Big up Emil Heski. There's another contender for you. It's going to be a whole list of them for the end of this one. Goodness me.

Yeah. F1, higher and lower. So there are six questions in front of me. Sam and Harry will take it in turns to pick a number. Each question will have a numeric value. If they get it spot on, they get two points. If they don't get it right, it goes to the other player. They have to then say higher or lower than that guess. If they get it right, they get a point. But if they don't get it right, the person who guessed in the first place gets a point. So Sam, we'll start with you. What number would you like? I love number four, please, Ben. Number four. How many races were there between Kimmy Reichenen's last win and his second to last win? Oh, crikey. Good golly gosh.

Quite a few. Any more exclamations there, sir? Crikey. Oh, fiddle sticks. I'm going to go with 91. Not 91, Harry, higher or lower. I don't think that's a bad guess, either, son. Thanks, mate.

Thanks, Dad. Are you winning, son? Probably not. I'm going to go for higher. You're right on two counts. Firstly, that it's higher. And secondly, it wasn't a bad guess at all. 114 was the right answer.

We're looking for the gap there. Rally time. It's not including his rally. Yeah, we're going between the 2018 United States GP, which was his last win, and then the Australian GP, which was his second to last win, which is first race at 2013. That's the longest gap between wins for a driver. Harry, what number would you like?

Number two, please. Number two, a straightforward one. How many pole positions have Red Bull got in F1 history? Um, they've got 103. They don't have 103. Sam, higher or lower? Can we go higher? Um, again, correct.

Again, a good first guess. You were very close. 106. Oh! Ouch. Very good guess indeed. Well, it does level things up. Sam, back to you.

Number one, please, Ben. number one how many times did Michael Schumacher finish inside the top three in a championship oh I thought you were going to say just generally then

okay that's interesting well there's at least seven there so that's good something 12 got it oh damn it's gone 12 is correct

not 13 as it maybe could have been because 1997 he did not finish inside the top three even though he finished second that season initially he was disqualified from the championship thanks to his contact with Jacques Villeneuve in the last race of the season so the correct answer as Sam said is 12 well played sir Harry back to you

just thought about that then Vilnav even if it wasn't deemed that Schumacher drove into him he's ahead of the apex so maybe Villeneuve is in the right was ahead of the apex this last weekend. That's unusual because there's been no controversy or differing opinions about that, that take. So I'm going to move on because I'm like three seconds

from a rant on that. I thought we were doing a podcast. It was you to have gone fishing. I will go for number, I forgot what I said? Six. Number six. A getable one? See if you can draw a level here.

How many seasons have there been where a driver has scored more than 400 points? Four. No. Higher or lower than four, Sam? Lower. Not correct. You were won out, Harry.

There have been five. More specifically, the last three seasons, Max Verstappen, 24, 23, 22. he scored more than 400 points and Lewis Hamilton did it twice in 2019 and 2018. Seby Vet, very close as well in 2013, I should add. Which means not two points for the correct guess but still one point for Harry there.

Three two to Sam and it's back to you, Sam. I think I'll go to number three. Pick number three, my lord. I knew you'd pick number three so I had to get this one in for you because it is about your hero. Good. How many points does David Cuthard have?

Oh, too many, more than anyone else. Too many. There's no such that I've got too many points, guys. That's okay how points we're talking about. Penalty points you might have too many. How many points do you have? 207. Not 207.

or lower? Higher. 535, so higher is the correct guess, and that draws your level at three all. Fun fact about that question when I was reading it back, because I wrote this earlier in the week, I thought I wrote how many pets does David Coulthard have, which I can confirm is probably not 535. You don't know that. I can't say that for sure, so. You don't know that.

Well, three all. Harry, big question for you coming up, and I know you'll be on which number this is. Oh, no. Number one? Damn it. Number four. Number five. You got it.

Number five. Higher. Oh, every week. A point. Yeah, higher than one to question number five, spot on. How many times has Lando Norris been runner up in a Grand Prix? he's 15 not 15 Sam for the win

higher or lower lower it's the wrong side of the 50 50 it is higher 15 good guess 18 the correct dance it's really good to lose a 50 50 again you've got the memories of the spot on schumacher one so it's not too bad that's true

me shumacka sat there together Some moral victory, mate. Before we go, I'd like to lead on to probably the most late-breaking thing of all time. We're not about to go into question of the week because we're recording early this week. He says, recording a day later than we're not going to do. So there's no question of the week. But we'll have another one for you soon. Sam, if you wouldn't mind getting us out of her.

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