The Late Braking F1 Podcast - Are Red Bull favouring Verstappen over Perez?

Episode Date: May 14, 2023

Buckle up everyone, there's no Ben today so Sam and Harry are hosting unsupervised... They discuss Perez's Verstappen favouritism claim, Alpine CEO Rossi's blasting of Alpine performance, F1's open invitation to new tyre providers, and whether there is room for more than 10 teams on the grid. To finish, Harry takes on the banker in a BRAND NEW (and probably one-off) game of Real or No Real... SUPPORT our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/latebraking JOIN our Discord: https://discord.gg/dQJdu2SbAm JOIN our F1 Fantasy League: https://fantasy.formula1.com/en/leagues/join/C3CCEW8P704 TWEET us @LBraking BUY our merch: https://late-braking-f1-podcast.creator-spring.com/ EMAIL us at [e-mail] SUBSCRIBE to our podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to check out new episodes every Wednesday and every Sunday. Oh, and a very warm welcome to the Late Breaking F1 podcast, hosted by Harry Ead and me, Samuel Sage. Now, you might be tuning in as a regular listener and thinking, there's a normal name missing from that. Now, you haven't woken up in a nightmare.

This isn't some alternate universe, Mr. Benjamin Hocking, or Late Breaking Light, as we'll be referring to him for this, for this show. Yes. Yes, of course, Harry's very happy with that. He's having a day off.

He's just not here for today. And I think, frankly, he's never missed an episode, to my knowledge. Well, he has, because we just, he missed that one.

We did a 50 minute episode. We're not counting that as part of the podcast. We don't exist. Has he never missed, ever? He has got a life. Oh, sorry.

I mean, he goes on holiday and he brings the equipment. It doesn't trust us that much that he brings it on holiday. That's fair. The only reason he isn't with us today is because he's in Berkshire.

He's literally on a train, so he cannot do it. Yeah, Berkshire Ben. Barkshire Ben, as we will refer to him today. We've got a packed schedule to crack on with. I thought you're all thinking, going, this is going to be 15 minutes of pain, at least an hour. Hour and 15 minutes of pain.

Yeah, you're going to have to speak, come on. Buckle in, folks. And the best bit's coming right at the end. We've got a new game for you today. It's called Real or No Real, very much in the same theme as Noel Eggmansons. Neil or no, Neil. deal or no deal

it's what it's actually called we're also going to be talking about Christian Horger's quote saying that there's not enough room for 10 teams to be on the grid are we discussing that as total rubbish because we make a very valid point we're also going to be looking at Formula One has sent out an invitation

to all tire manufacturers to put themselves forward to become the sole provider for Formula One ties so maybe Pirelli could be stepping aside they've been around a little while now maybe we'll have a new provider who knows we're also going to be discussing

Lauren Rossi, these comments about where Alping are going, what they're doing, he was not very pleased. We'll get onto that. But we're going to be starting off with the wonderful Mexican Minister of Defence, Sergio Perez, because apparently he's come out blasting Red Bull, saying that he's determined to have an internal investigation saying that Max's equipment is much better than his own. There is simply no explanation why Max is so much faster than himself. Harry, what do you think to these immediate claims?

before I answer your question I'm just going to make sure I give you a nudge for me to do an ad break That's a great idea We're together on this mate We'll do a code word Sandwiches I will forget that

Just say sandwiches at you I'll just go You hungry Is it digger time Just remember sandwiches Yeah look this is Sam did this schedule So we've gone for the more

more explosive headlines You know it Rather than the genuine stories here But it's a real story You can go online and find it. It is a genuine story. I'm really teasing. Yeah, some odd comments from Sergio on that one.

I think maybe I don't fully know when these were actually taken. I'm assuming it was after the race in Miami. But, you know, in the heat of the moment. But it's, he's got, his equipment's pretty good. I bet the most people's, isn't it? Better than my equipment. Good. Okay.

Yeah. but his car is actually pretty good. And it's a match for what For Stappen's been doing. So I don't quite fully understand where he's coming from on this one. And if, again, quotes may be easily taken out of context. But if he is having a pop of the team, that's, I don't think that's a good idea, Sergio, mate. No, no, not ideal.

Not ideal. He's taking a proper pop at the champ, isn't he? He's really hitting the headlines with this one. You really think that he's what, 16 points off the top of a championship after five races. It is the best season he's realistically ever had. Yeah, well, two wins out of five races? Yeah, and he won the sprint racing as well. Three wins.

If you count that as a real win, Ben, wouldn't. He's exploded. Thanks, Ben, that's all for you. Yeah, so, I mean, the equipment he's got is absolutely sublime. It's one of the best Formula One cars we've ever seen, graced the grid. You know, whether you want to call it the most dumbling F1 car of all time, that's yet to be seeing, of course. will leave that debate for you folks in the Discord,

which you can join the links in the comments. Plug. Yep. Anyway, I feel like this comes across as a little bit of a sore loser coming. You know, he's like a bit of a bad race there. He knows that maybe the audience is looking at him going, you manage to lose this spot from your teammate

who's starting in ninth place. But realistically, there's no disrespect to Sergio. I think he maybe needs to take a deep breath, calm himself down, get back on the horse for the next Grand Prix, and start focusing for what's to come. I will be absolutely baffled if there really is some kind of internal, you know, hierarchy of information and kit and in, that, that, that, that, that, that, it's good, it's gone well. Agreed. You know, research that's going all towards Maxwell Stappen isn't going towards Sergio Perez.

What was very interesting is it appears that at Baku, where Sergio really thrived, yes, it's a street circuit. But at the same time, there seems to be a real lack of practice and on track. runging available for the drivers. And maybe Sergio just is much better straight out of the bag, whereas someone like Max Verstappen, that once he's really honed it in, once he's really got the car where he wants it to be,

fully settled, on the nose how he likes to drive it, quite oversteery, he's so rapid. We know how good Max Verstappen is. He's almost unbeatable on his day. I'd argue there's maybe only five or six drivers in history that at their peak at the moment could really come across a beat Max Verstappen. Sergei Perez is up against an unmovable

object. He is inevitable. with on Max Verstappen. And I think the fact that he's having a bit of a whinge, unnecessarily, I would think. And it really shows a lack of faith. We had the comics come out, of course, after the Miami Grand Prix that he wasn't receiving the same amount of information throughout the race,

which... Anthony Davidson started that one. That just feels a bit bizarre. I mean, there was it maybe you missed a bit of a radio comments, but Christian Horn has come out and immediately said, I don't know what everyone's on about. We were giving him the gap every single lap. And also, Perez strikes me as one as a driver who doesn't like,

to be on the radio all the time. Whereas, I know they obviously will do Mac's messages, more than Perez messages, but for the TV, that is. But I think Matt, you heard the message in the race when he was like,

what about this, what about this? And GP's like, just do the driving, mate. Yeah. I'm looking at it. Yeah. I mean, they all go through different phases.

We've heard Lewis Hamilton, you know, driving for his absolute life. And, you know, Bono will come on the radio around a corner, and he'll go, please stop talking to me in the corners. Man. Please, man. I'm going to crash the cup.

Oh, man. You know, sometimes I just go, shut up. I'm really focusing. Please be quiet. Go away. And I think you're right. Sergio has never been a chatterbox on the reggae or it's going to be broadcast to us as the viewers that he talks so frequently. So I guess I think a little bit's got under his skin.

I think this loss has got under his skin. I think he was coming into this weekend on a bit of a high. Some, you know, momentum behind him, had great motivation. He's thinking, I'm in the title fight here. And he's been well and truly bodied a little bit, really, by Verstappen. Yeah, I saw a graphic earlier of Vestappen's lap times on his hard tire stint, and they're just all the same. Was it graphic? What, for Perez.

For Perez. It would be. They just, it was like a bar chart and all the, like, all the lines. Just the same level. Make the tyres never got old. Yeah. So I don't think, I think it's just, we've seen before Vestappen can make, have tires last pretty well. And Perez used to be famed for that.

But for Saba, I think, might just be a bit better at it. Yeah, I agree. I just think that, you know, realistically, you're coming up against one of the best you've ever done. I get that you want a winner title. Everyone does. That's why you're in the sport. But keep your calm. Be consistent.

Go into the next race and feel confident. You're still only 16 points off the top. There are, you know, not to be rude to Sergio, but there are drivers who have we have thought more realistically likely to win a title that have been further away from the top spot at this point. And I've kept their call. So I was a little bit shocked when I saw the heck. lines. Do you think that Red Bull realistically would ever actually do something like this to one of their drivers? I mean, it is Red Bull. They've been known for their slightly interesting culture

behind the scenes. They did take Mark Webber's front wing off his car. That was the better front of front of spashton better once, which is where they're not bad for a number two driver comes from. Fact man. Fact man. Was it a stat? Like, it did actually happen. It did. But again, that, that was a bit dodgy, to be fair. But I don't, I don't know. I don't buy that. I don't buy that. I don't buy that at all. And I think Sergio has established himself in that team. I know it's still Max Verstappen's team. But he's well established there now.

Yeah. He's won races for them. He's helping to get a championship in, well, he's been integral to both championships, basically. But particularly in 2021. So I don't see, I don't see them favoring Max. I just think Max was just really good. He's quite good at the F. But I mean, he was really good in Miami.

And I can understand why that's hard to take. But lashing out of your team isn't going to win you any favors. No, you're right. It would make sense in a season where, you know, in 2021, where Verstappen was up against Hamilton and, you know, neither teammate were in the fight that you might focus all of your research and upgrades on the driver who is directly in that fight with another team. That makes sense.

But when the championship is obviously down against your two drivers, the glory's coming back to your team regardless. What's Horma got to game by giving it to Vestappen over Perez really? Well, exactly. Not a lot. No, none. I, yeah, I know Red Bull culture's got his... Downsides.

Downsides. Yeah. Basically, how one, Marco. But I think for the most part, they are very fair on their drivers. I thought everyone's going to come after me for that. But I genuinely believe that. I think it was the same that when Ricardo was there. I know they were a bit savage with Gassley and Albourne,

but that was more about their performances, not about where they give an equal equipment. And the same for back in the Vettel Weber days to a large extent. So, yeah, I don't, but I don't buy still. Sorry, Sergio, mate. You're talking rubbish. Rubbish. What a load of rubbish.

Put it in the bin. Recycle it, bring it out next race. It's something positive. Yeah. Get back on that horse. Shall we move on to the next topic? But yeah, what is it? Oh, it's about Lauren Rossi and Alpine.

Oh, baby. I know. Well, we all thought they were snickering away, not like the chocolate bar, but like giggling. That's that problem, mate. Too many snickers. Got a bit chunky. Too many marathon bars. When were they last called that?

Before we were born. Yeah, literally never seen one on the shelf. So, hang on that it's old enough to have seen a marathon bar? Did you enjoy it? Let's go. Is it better than a snickers? Is it the same thing? I think it is.

Anyway, Laura Rossi, obviously the C, the C, E, oh. like those yeah yeah of Alpine yeah obviously has not been very pleased with the performance

of Alping at the start this season we're a few races in here I've got I've done my research with Mr Ben Hocking not here

I've done my research Oh no since Rengo slash Alpine rejoined Formula 1 after five races this is how many points they've had each year

oh boy here we go feel the trend folks feel the trend in 2016 after five races they had six points 20, sorry, which one?

2016. That's not a good year. It's not a good year. Gets a little bit better. 2017, 12 points. Doubles. It does more than that now, folks. You wait for it.

Big year for Renault. 2018, 41 points. Yeah, looking good, right? You're thinking they're on an upwards trajectory. Good Lord. They're flying. They're going to be up there with the big dogs. But we come to 2019.

Crash back down, 12 points. It's not good. But then it's like a trampoline. Once you hit the bottom, you go straight back up again. 2020, we're on, 40 points. And like a trampoline, you come back down again for the bounce. 2021, 17 points.

But then your mum's gone, come in for your dinner. So you've got to like slow yourself down a bit, having you? Where are we going with? 22, 26 points. Okay. So 223, 14 points. It is their third worst year since coming back into the sport.

Do you think he's verified? Do you think it's correct to turn around and say there's going to be consequences for how bad this start has been? Yeah. Yes, because as we've said before, Alpina just in the same sport as they always are. Yeah. You did do a pump the brakes about this, didn't you? The brakes. So it's justified.

And I'm convinced they must have been all smug around him. And he thought they were going to win the championship. Yeah. And then this happened. Do you think the false promises that we secretly feel like I've been discussed and maybe giving him higher expectations? Yeah, he's like, oh, wow, this is, this is out here, guys. Top zero three, here?

Here we go. Here we go. Got rid of Alonzo. We didn't get piastri. It's a big year. We got the sausage guy. We got the sausage guy. Les sausages.

It's not what sausage. I'm going to have to look it out where you make your point. I think it is saucy son. Sorry, French people. Yeah. So justified. But the problem is Alpine just keep getting rid of people slash losing people on almost a yearly basis.

and I don't know if a big shake-up now is the right thing to do. I mean, Othmar is on year... Year three? Only on year two. It's only year two. I feel like he's been there forever. It does feel like it's been there for a long time. A lot of drama happened last year.

Yeah, that's true. That aged me. And him. So I'm not sure it's worth, you know, massive reshuffles quite yet. But yeah, this is a... quite a scare tactic, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, if my, not just my line manager, Ben, but my big boss, I don't know who that is in this world,

Kersky, producer, said, there's going to be consequences. I'd shiver my timbers. Sure. Oh! I have shivered my timbers. Well, I truly shivered. Yeah, I, um, so, yeah, it's, it's, I don't think it's time for a complete change,

because they've changed so much over the years. remember Cyril? I mean, I thought I saw Cyril a beatball on the cube the other day. Did you? And literally was like, you know when you see someone you think you recognise

and I was like this? Oh, everyone's spotted. Literally. And I was like, if you look at me now, this is going to look weird. But I was almost like, that's Cyril a beatball from Renault.

Are you Cyril? I was like, showing me the tattoo. Yeah, so they're going through personnel and actually, because 2020, they had the

what was he the guy was he from Moto GP was their team principal sort of acting team? Weck? Maybe weck I can't remember his name this is when Ben would be like Well no, that's your job, you're good at this stuff

I don't remember this guy's now I'm useless My point being is they've had a lot of change in a very short space of time and I think they're going to have to wake this one out a little bit and not just make another rash rash change because they've they've gone for bold changes before

and decisions like, let's get Daniel Ricardo, on a way, he's left. Let's get Fernando Alonzo, on the way, he's left. Oh, it's a bit of a trend. Let's get Piastri. Oh, no, wait, he didn't want to come. Do you even arrive. So, yeah, I think for now,

let's, Alpine just chill out a little bit. It was a bit better in Miami. Steady the ship. Steady the ship. What ship references going on today? I don't know. Sam. Sandwiches. Oh, I'm not done with my point yet, thank you. It's sandwich time.

Well, okay, we'll find out what I think about the Alpani's. situation after this short break. Stay changed. We are back from having our lovely snack. We've enjoyed our sandwiches. And I'm going to tell you what I think about the Alpine situation. Harry, I completely disagree with you. Oh, no.

I know, right? For once, we've got a disagreement on the show. Yeah, I think, yes, they have had a lot of changes over the last five or six years since they've rejoined the sport. But, you know, whether it's be a short change or a big change or a small change, whatever you want to call it, it hasn't worked. They're not getting the results they need. And I think that sometimes maintaining the same status quo if you think, oh, it might get better,

you might just be prolonging mediocrity. Mediocrity. Honestly, the hosting business is getting to me. Mediocrity. And I don't think that's good. I don't think it's okay to kind of go, oh, it's all right at the moment. Maybe it'll get better.

I mean, unless behind the scenes, of course, Othma's got some kind of genius plan that he's, you know, showing off to the top dogs and they've gone, you know what, okay, this makes sense. But I think you look at someone like Ashton Martin, who were struggling. They were in what, eighth, ninth, seventh, sixth,

it's never got into the top half, really, since they've rejoined the sport. Rejoined, like they were here frequently. Haven't been here for at least 50 years. Did like six races in 1954 or something like that. I think, hey, we're back. We've rejoined. My point being here that old Lawrence

didn't see a lot of promise going on in the first season or so. And they had a big shake-up. They brought a lot of old eggs in Formula One. They brought Mike cracking. And come on. Come on now. And, you know, they went, no, keep the soundboard away.

They've also, you know, when they got a long soap, which was great for them. And they went and nabbed staff from other big teams. You know, they went to stole Red Bull staff. So they'd be vet first. They did, right? They went out there and they made a statement of intent. They said, we want knowledge, we want expertise. We want people that will drive us forward, no pun intended.

So, you know, thank you. That was a good use. Anyway, my point being here is a statement was brought out. also the other day by Lawrence Stroll that said that, you know, interesting Ashton Martin road vehicles has gone up about 70% since the successor of this year for the Asking Martin team. If that's not an incentive to go out and spend money and advance your Formula One team for someone like Alping,

who is a much lesser-known brand, of course. Remember, they are almost the premium Renault brand is what they are. And if you're maybe outside of Europe, you might be very unaware of who Alping is apart from now, this Formula One team. You might have never heard of Alpine before this. So if you want to grow your brand, if you want to grow the success,

if you want to keep the sales of your key car, the A110, I believe, is their kind of flagship car, which, by the way, retails for about the same price as a new Porsche. Catchy name. Right? A110. Oh, is that the new A110?

Well, that's fair. You say, is that the new Porsche 9-11? Point taken. Yeah, good. BMWM-5. Anyway, my point is, if it's working for Askin Martin, employ the same tactics for crying out loud.

Steal people. Steal people? And put yourself on the bloody map. Honestly, you've got the brand to do it. Alping are a cool brand. You look at their road cars and they are cool looking. They're very unique, very interesting. They really, Renault has a reputation.

As much as, you know, Renault is a lifelong brand. It's been around for God knows how long. And they are very good at things like Raleigh, they'd be very good in. They're trying to make a comeback in general, more premium areas of road use. They're very much known as a affordable family first car. Alping is this sporty, high-end, priced up car

that, you know, while you not want these rich Formula One fans, and there are many of them to go out and be, that's your car of choice. Alpine. And they're not doing enough. I think they need to go away and have a huge shake-up. French toast is leaving.

Get him. I thought he meant he's leaving Alpine. I was like, I didn't know who's there. How's he done that? French toast, I'm wrong here leaving France. It's just called toast now. Is he French? No.

Frank's tossed. He's Austrian, isn't he? Okay. I mean, I don't know if that's true. He could be really French toast. It could be. It's not. Anyway, the point is.

He has been a brilliant little manager for someone like Alpha Tower, but very much hang his wings clips. He's not being able to kind of, you know, flourish and actually league a team. And that guy's got so much experience under his belt. He would be able to bringing so many great people around him that I think that what's not Mar doing? Really? What's he done since he's joined Formula One?

And we're just talking with obviously the Astrid Martin rebrand that happened now with Alpine, but before that. I mean, racing point 2020 was good. It was, yeah, yeah, it was all right. that was that was he was also part of the instrumental change into Askin Martin when they were then rubbish again also for her point

so as much as I think okay you're right shaking things up too often can cause a lot of confusion you know there's no lack of organisation no direction if it isn't working I think it makes more sense to change it up to get a better result because you look at some long lasting

areas you know the likes of Ferrari you have Bonotto in there for a while and they tried to stick behind him for ages it wasn't working. They weren't getting any closer than what they already were. So it's okay if something isn't working to shaking up. And I think Alping need to. I think if they want to further their brand publicly, not just in Formula One, they need to see success. And I don't think Othmaar's bringing it to them. So you're getting rid of Othma. I think that Othmaar's gone if they do not see some serious improvements by the summer break. By the summer break. I reckon that's when, I reckon he may not

be fired by summer break, but I think the decision will have been made by the summer break. And you will put, I will put French shows there. the French is toast. If not, they should have gone for James Vow's. It's too late, but that's where they should have gone for. I was going to say he's got a team. But yeah, just steal people. That's how it works.

Why not, though? Everyone's aware that it happens. I think you're a bit silly if you don't literally, like a little, you know, like in the Sims where the burglar turns up at your house with the bag, stop putting engineers in and run away. They all live near each other anyway. Yeah.

All down to be fair, Alping isn't, but all the rest of them all down the road from each other. Yeah. Well, they're not. Farr, Endstone, where's that? Let's not embarrass ourselves. I write because it's British geography as well. It's in the middling somewhere.

Yeah. So, you know, they're leaving it to move. Exactly. Go on Alpin, still people. Fire up, ma, steal people, take a risk. Sell more A110s. Please. Or give us one and I'll advertise it for you.

We'll put late breaking stickers on the side. I think that'll be really cool. I think any car with late breaking stickers. because it wouldn't be cool. Why hasn't your car got one then? Where's your car? Mine's already green. Mine's already black,

the other key colour of our brand. Ben, this isn't white. That's a shame. We could make a cool little line up. Stupid polo that he drives. Anyway, so yeah, so we're going to do maybe a little bit

at Liska's messages now, I think. Sure. Yeah? We haven't done one for a little while. He's going first. You can go first. Let me just tell everyone what it's about first before we crack on why you get your little message up.

Essentially, folks. you guys have had some brilliant experiences, funny, interesting, heartfelt, wholesome. So we wanted to bring your messages to the show for hundreds of thousands of people to hear because quite frankly, you're quite regularly more funny or interesting or more well-versed and travelled in the world than we are.

So we want to make sure that you are heard. Now, you've got your first message. Who's it from? Hazer. You want to crack on? Everyone's second favourite, Harry. Yes, so Hazer, this is coming a little while ago, so sorry, Hazer,

but, you know, we can get around to it. He says, me and my wife went to spa last year and had champions access, which in spa means you can literally walk into their Formula 2 slash Formula 3 paddock where they maintain all the cars. That's cool. Also, we had three booze.

Oh, yes. Rock on. That was me saying that, not Hazard. We agree. Anyway, on Saturday night after the F3 race, I'd had a few beers to say the least. That's like a great sign. This is classic hazard.

Should have got him, sorry, yeah. They have three cars rolled in and one Manuel Correa parks up if you don't know he's a racing driver. Yeah, if you're unaware, he is actually a very good racing driver. Yeah, despite, you know, also brilliantly got through rehab after a very traumatic event. Exactly.

Yeah, so Juan Manuel Correa parks up a few feet away from me. As a follower of the feeder series and my wife being American, we have followed JMC for a while and are big fans. So I went up to him and he caught out his car and asked for a picture. Oh my God, he must have to recognize. Is that Hazer?

From the like breaking podcast? Oh. No, I think, I think, I think, I think Hasa means that he asked JMC for a picture. But you never know. Which he politely said yes to. Now being a bit start struck and having had a few beers, I then got nervous and mentioned, one, I just wish you would score a few more points in my F1.

My team save. So which he looked confused and said, I'll try, thanks. Not sure if fantastic or awful. but I'll never forget it. And then he has sent in a picture of himself and GMC. It's a lovely photo. He looks very handsome.

It looks like a man who's just been told to get more points on his. Hello, mate. Being a fan of us for a long long time. He's literally just got out of the car of actual racing. Good job of actually racing. Just if you could, score more digital points in my own career mode. Oh, you figure out. On the PlayStation.

Anyway, that's a lovely story. Thank you, Hazer, for writing that and taking the time. We've got one more that we want to read out. And this is from someone who I dubbed the Discord Mum the other day. Why? Because she's so lovely. She's always open everyone. Got you.

Yeah. You've got real dad? Discord Mum. This is F1 Swifty. Absolutely love this little story. Here we go. So she says that this is a story of unknown loss and opportunity. My husband works for AMD.

If you don't know who AMD are, they are a computer kind of chip brand, right? Like a lot of processes and stuff. And worked on the Thread Ripper project. Also, we've got the coolest names from a product of all the time. What is the, thread ripper project. I don't really know, but it sounds awesome.

Wow. Anyway, he was invited to Maranello, where this event took place in 2018. AMD was a Ferrari sponsor at the time. He got to drive a Ferrari road car on the Marinello track and Soronging F1 car, which it being 2018 means it was either Sebs or Kimmy's car. I mean, that's cool.

Cool as it is. I'm sure he went to whatever museum they have also. At the time, I didn't even know what F1 was and could not have been more uninteresting in going despite being invited. Now I'm the huge F1 fan I would have loved to have gone My husband still isn't much into it

Although he'll ask me where Masegis is ending up Since that's who AMD sponsored these days If you do go to a Mercedes event Take us with you Not your husband Yeah Because he doesn't care No exactly, we'll come

We will Anyway, that's from F1 Swifty A.k.a discord mum Lovely little story about, you know, a huge loss there A huge loss It is a huge loss I've lost to Ferrari

They don't have AMD as a sponsor now No thread repress for you. That's the problem. Anyway, should we have a second? Shall we have another sandwich? Sure. All right, we're going to go for a quick snack. And after we'll be talking about tyres,

which is good fun, isn't it? Sure. Good. What's your favourite sandwich? I have lots, chicken scuffing. I think we've done this on a beer with breaking, actually. Yeah. That's save for Patreon.

We've got shut up. Go ahead. It's not chicken and stuff and actually, I ate it. Right. Hello, welcome back from the break. That's how Ben starts every time. Right, hello. Welcome back.

I'm not Ben. Beech doing the podcast now. We're getting a fresh new look on the show. Hello. Hello. It's me, Sam. Right, we are talking all about tyres, but not in the sinks that you might think we are.

We're not talking. Tire tall. Classic compounds or anything like that. No, we're talking providers. Pirelli are being around for a long time. When did Pirelli start? To which time? The current time.

2011. There you go. Well done. Very good. Faxman Fax man Yeah very good 12 years

This is their 13th season I believe in Formula 1 Go like they They're around Even longer than that I'm not going to lie Does it has been a while Yeah

Anyway we've been through a lot of compounds Of Pirelli Tire they've had some ups They've had some downs They've had some exploding tyres Along the way Where people thought they wouldn't explode But the tender For tyre providing

Is open And Formula One has expressed An open invitation An open invitation to all tyre manufacturers to submit an offer, a deal on whether they would like to be the exclusive tire providers to form wrong. And this doesn't mean that Porelli are going anywhere. It doesn't mean that they've lost the right. They just want to make sure that they are seeking the best option for the grid, for commercial rights, I assume, for money, money, money. And this is going to be

coming in in 2026. Harry, initially, how do you feel like Pirelli have been since they've started in 2011 again? They've had some ups and downs, which I think you've already said. I did mention that, yeah. Overall, I think fine. They have done, they probably do a better job than we give them credit for. Having said that at the moment, and we've done a lot of tyre talk. It's important. That's how the cars go around on things. The only four things that touch the ground.

At the moment, though, we've already discussed this, but there's issues around the difference between the tire performance and hard tires that can do an tire. race distance and it's dull. And they've also had issues in the past where tyres just explode. Yeah, it has happened. It's not good. Quite a few races where they've literally just popped.

Just popped. So that's not great. And that doesn't happen too often, thankfully. But it, you know, it's still not amazing. But then having said that we've also had some fantastic races because of Paredi tires. And I probably heart back to 2011-2012 era. when the racing was,

I don't know, racing was different, but the strategy around tyres was, was a mega important, whereas now I feel like it's not as important as you used to be. So it's a mixed bag when it comes to Porelli. I think what's going to work in Porelli's favour, and this is why I say they,

they have probably done more good than bad for F1, is that they're willing to have tires that aren't optimum tires for the sake of the show of Formula One whereas brands like Michelin and I think they've already, Mitchelan have already come out and said, if we're going to do the tender, you're going to have ties that work the whole time

and that is it. Yeah, that's boring. That's well dull. Apart from safety, obviously, that comes first. But like... I mean, when I say work, I mean, like, they don't really degrade. Like, I mean, Michigan do the weck. endurance series.

They're used to making ties that just work all the time. Which is ironic because Indianapolis 2005. Oh, let's go there. Actually, mate. So, yeah, so what I'm saying is I think that that sort of works in Pirelli's favour

because I think they're probably the manufacturer that is most willing, susceptible to make ties that don't necessarily reflect well on Pirelli because you've got to think they're trying to sell, they're only doing this sell tyres in the real world. I must commit, before Formula,

before 2011, really, I don't know how old was, I was 16, I would, I was really unaware of kind of big tie brands other than maybe Bridgestone and Mitchell. Again, because of Formula One.

So when Porelli came along, I was like, who are these chokers? Who are you, mate? And I was like, wow, okay. Now I remember looking at getting my tyres changed in my old car

and thinking, a pair of Pirelli, set of Pirelids on there? Yeah. Don't want a pair. You need four times on your car. I can't afford them anyway, so that's fun.

Good. Yeah, so look, I think Pirelli will be kept on, because this isn't the first tender we've had in their 11 year. How many years do you say 13 now? I think this is their 13th season, yeah. My math serves me. In their 13 years. So they've sort of survived it before,

and I think it's because of those reasons. I think they're willing to do things that other Thai brands aren't willing to do. That sounds a bit of word. But you know what I mean? It's a really conflicting relationship, isn't it? Because you're right and saying that, you know, their end goal is to raise brand awareness and sell the product that they are putting on these cars, tyres. And yet it is so conflicting because they want to show reliability. They want to show

good performance. They want to show that tires can go for a long time. And a Formula One racing theories, it's a lot of miles in a Formula One race. True. You know? So on your road car, that looks great. But from a holding onto the commercial rights, the advertising that you get for being available to be shown as the league brand in an enterprise like Formula One, you need to also provide entertainment. And so in theory, that means that your tyre has to almost do the complete opposite to what you want a tyre to do. It needs to degrade quite quickly.

It needs to show lack of grip. It needs to be difficult to warm up occasionally. Maybe in changeable conditions, it's not ideal. And then all of those things that you look at as a road user, you go, I don't want any of that. I want it to just be consistent and good. do tire things. Just be rubber on the road and not fall off, please. Anyway, I don't think they've done enough to keep the relationship.

It's not been bad, but when you said about, you know, when it was the best strategy of racing we had, 2011, 2012, that's the first two years they were here. True. And it's never been good, really, since then. They've had so many different compounds. You remember the ultra-soft or the... Hypersoft?

Hypersoft or the mega-hard or whatever it's called super-hard. Um, hang on. My point is, I feel like they got it right the first two years that we were here. And in terms of entertainment value,

we've got a lot for it. On that point, I'll, it's, they are still to blame. I think I've fought to blame as well, but they've stopped letting the drivers

say things about the tyres. Yeah. Because at the end of each year now, at one of the, like, practice sessions, you'll see the drivers testing out a different compound that's going to be used next year.

And the past few years, the driver's been like, I hate these. Yeah, and then Pirelli don't use him. No. Just, if you didn't tell them, it's like a placebo effect. You just put them on the car next year. They wouldn't know.

No, exactly. So this is my point. They've shot themselves in the foot slightly because we're getting these tyres that can last race distances because Pirelli and F1 have listened to the F1 drivers. Of course they're going to want that. I didn't want unpredictability. They want the grippiest tire for the longest time, obviously.

But as a viewer, we want multiple stops. We want tires that will run out a grip on a wall and suddenly you're falling off the racetrack. It's great fun to watch your drivers suddenly go over the finish line and then go, wait, I can't make it around it very quickly again. I can't remember what track it was now, but that happened to, you remember the intermediates got worn down to the fact they were almost soft tyres by the end of the race

and they were driving around on slicks because the rubber worn down that much. Is that like turkey or something like that? Very interesting, though. My point is, I don't think they've done enough for the excitement of the Formula One brand, and that is what Liberty's all about now. It's all about creating a thrilling show every single race. race weekend.

Whether you agree with or not, that is the direction that Formula One's going into. It is all about high octane entertainment. You turn off every race and it's not boring. Something new is happening.

And the tire providers within that are crucial. So you look at something like Indyco, it's Firestones. God, they go on about them. The Firestone Reds. The Firestone Reds.

I don't really know what one is what, because they never explain it before the race. I, in my head, I assume Reds are soft. So why? But that's only because

our slicks are reds. Our soft ties are red. That's the only reason I think. that. But you know, those ties are, they're all right, pretty consistent, but you never really hear anything about it's all about fuel really in India car.

Of course, they still have refueling. But their refueling is our tides. You need to have a reason to come in, change your strategy, you have to adapt. And I just don't think they're delivering on that excitement factor. And I think this is a real chance for someone maybe slightly smaller in the tyre world, maybe like a hand cook.

Look at me go. A good year. Haven't seen them for a while. I mean, good year. I used to do it. A lot. They used to be like sole manufacturer. Exactly. You know, and maybe even someone like a

bridge stone. Sure. You know, there's loads of options and there are loads that haven't even mentioned there. Um,

Yohcoma? Is that how long? Yeah, that is. I think that's how you say it. Look at me go! Avon Tyre, I mean,

I'm being blinded by the sun here. Avon tyres. You look really nice. Thank you. Angelic. Angelic, yes. Golden Hour here. How many more

brands of tires who we name? I'm wrung out. I won't get a lie. No, I've got none. Good. Good.

Brilliant. Anyway, so there's loads there. I really do think this is a big opportunity. I'd love to see a brand coming, go big and say, we want to put entertainment first. Obviously, safety doesn't even come into the conversation because it's always paramount. It always comes first.

But in terms of the race they want to provide, the tires they want to give, I would like them to almost cut out the Formula One driver and go to FIA and to Liberty. We care about entertainment and safety. They're the two things we want. So to making entertainment, taining race, this is what we're going to do.

I just don't want a hard tire that can go 51 out of 52 laps. I don't want a soft tire that can only go three laps. And I don't want one medium tire that can go three quarters of the race and it's job done. You know, it's boring and it's the same every single time. Tires are a great way to create strategy. It's a great way to create variation in the Grand Prix. Make it variable, but make it an option for success. I really do think this is a big opportunity.

I hope Pirelli either step up or get out. Yeah, I mean, stop consulting F1 drivers on any of the, and teams on any of the rules. Too much power. Not to keep being like rose-tinted spectacles on this, but the 2012-2011 ties, 2013 as well, when they literally just fall off a cliff in terms of performance. That's what I mean, yeah. That's exciting.

Yeah, I love it. I love the fact that they, you know, Ben was saying this on the most recent podcast before this. And I, you know, I'll tip my hat to Ben because he goes come up with some good ideas, you know, occasionally he says something good. Where, you know, we all said that two stops are brilliant. You want to have, you know, a hard that can run all the way

to the end, but you're quite a bit slower, where actually you could do three stops and put on softs every single time, and you'll finish the line within a, finish at the line within a second of each other. That's exciting. I also think this, this issue has come about only very recently, because I think back to like 21, 2021, 2021 or 2020 time, even 2019, we had those, those occasions, mainly Hamilton versus Vestappen,

where it was once a season, though. Yes. I mean, in 2021, it happened a couple times in, like Spain and France for both drivers, where one did a two-stop and one did a one-did-a-one-stop or three-stop and a two-stop, because there was that difference between the tyres, whereas now it just, we're just, we're on the old one-stop train every race. And it's boring. And those examples that you just brought up are some of the races that I remember when you think back to those seasons every single time.

There's some of the few that jumped to my mind every time, you know, Spain where Vastappen was hunting Hamilton down, Hungary, where Hamilton was hunting Vastapen down. It was so exciting. to watch them go and on that fresh tire every lap now, Lewis, qualifying laps every single time. That was so exciting to watch that happen. It did mean the only unexciting part, I think,

was when they arrived at the driver who was on dead tires. The pass was very easy. But... It's true. A bit it was a track like Spain and Hungary. Yeah. Whether you don't really get that many of it. Hungary has been one of our races of the season for the last two or three seasons.

If you're hungry. Actually do. One of the most underrated Grand Prix. Anyway, my point is here. I think the way that tires are viewed and utilised in Formula One needs a change. And I would like to see someone coming and give it that shakeup. Harry is doing a shaking momentum sign. But once again, this is a podcast.

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Please play responsibly. Okay. So our final topic before our new game is going to be talking about crushing Horner's comments. Of course, there's been a lot of debate about an 11th team joining the grid with Andretti. Wanting to get on board. He was drifting around the Miami Grand Prix, wasn't he? Trying to get himself.

Looting around. Hello. Would you like another team on the grid? I'm here. It's a great Michael Andrette's an impression. Sounds just like that. Hello. Anyway, Christian Horn has been on the old blower,

on the old dog of bone. And he's come out with a certain quote that said that there's not literally not enough room now from an 11th team at tracks like Monaco where we don't have the pit space to have another team. What do you think of that? In our, you might want to get the bleep ready here. Oh, hang on a second. I've said. Oh, I can.

Hang on a second. Don't worry. I want Russia. Are you ready to... Yeah. Good. That was a test of the bleep. I've said, is it... Or does he just make a good point?

Good. Well, again, I don't like to agree with a Christian horn too often, but I think... Especially in Monaco, and I think the other one who referenced was Zandvort. Yeah. And I guess potentially, like, places like Hungary. It's... Oh, I guess. older school tracks here.

Yeah, I think it's got a bit of a point. And I know people say, well, but we used to have 2016s in Monaco back in the day. But if you go back and look at that, it was college and they just weren't in the garages, basically. It was a mess. We're just like in a pile outside of the garage. It's like when the bin man comes and the bag splits. It's just rubbish all over the street.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a bad day for the bin man. So I do actually think you may have a bit of a point here. It does feel like a bit of a, it's clutching the straw. Please, bought my money. But, well, yeah, well, there's no room for you in here. You can't come in. Sorry, Michael.

Not a loud thing. Why? Why? I can pay. There's simply got enough room. Gone, room. We're all too fat. I think, yeah, there's some logic behind this.

But I'm sure they could probably make it work. Monaco might be tough. But having said that, Get rid of it. Having said that, we went to Monaco only a few years. I say a few. 2010, 2011. So we've been there for a long time.

No, no. For my point, my point is we went there in 2010, 2011 when we had 26 cars on the grid. 24, thank you. 20, no. When did we have 26 cars on the grid? When we had Virgin, slash Marussia slash manor, HRT. Yeah.

And Lotus. we didn't have cars. But they were already, they were already, my brain's hurting. I think there were already 20 teams. 20 teams? We've got up now.

It's 40 drivers. There are 20 cars. Anyway, whatever, 26. They were more than what we've got. And they all fit. Yeah. So, I think we can probably get over it.

And, and this just sounds like a bit of a weak excuse from Christian to, well, you can't come in because there's no room in there for you. You can't play with us. It does feel a bit like that. But the only counterargument I would give, and I can't believe I'm really supporting Christian on this point,

is it actually comes from, you might follow engine braking on Twitter. Dan, who is an ex-red-ball engineer, who used to work on the Red Bull car himself, stated that the reason why there now isn't enough space on a trap like Monaco for new teams is because the cars are so much wider. and the battery that they have actually requires health and safety around it to be given enough space in the grid, like within the garage. Sorry?

Wage boys. Thick. Thickams. Sorry. Got the bunder. So, yeah, the battery needs the space in case there's a fire or something like that, essentially. And so because it's 10 teams, but they're all a bit wider anyway with the health and safety requirements as well, it actually takes up the extra garage space that the,

11th 12th team might take up. So whilst 90% of the calendar would allow for 11, 12 teams, and I am very much in favour of having 11 or 12 teams, I really would think that that would spicing up even more so on the grid, which would be lovely. I do understand for this one circuit, why his point makes some sense. I do not think it's a big enough argument that we should get rid of it. You know what? We should almost do something more savage and do like a qualifying shootout on the, a shootout on the Friday, shoot. And eliminate the worst team so they don't get a full garage slot.

Eliminate, well, no, pre-qualifying. That used to be a thing back in the day. Yep. And I would, there are some teams in the past that have definitely, and I'm talking a very recent past, that definitely should not have been on that grid. Yes. Right? Like, I mean, you look at Hart when Mazepin was there, really, what was the point?

But go back to even, as I mentioned, yeah, Manor. Lotus, K-Katrim, they were always seconds off. So, Yeah. Maybe Andretti can just, you can come in, but you can't come to Monaco. Sorry about that. Or if your last place in the championship, you can't come in.

I do think that maybe something like that should be something, but maybe like a pre-qualifying to make sure that, you know, you get onto the grid and we've got enough space or something like that. Because maybe it gives incentive to be better as well. Be better. Be good. Anyway, so actually, I think for this one point, Christian Horner makes a good argument, but I really do think he is scrambling, you know, looking under the mattress.

what's by the back of the sofa. Oh, is that an excuse? Because he's found one. It's crap, though, isn't it? Proper rubbish, that is. He's like, you properly shoved your hand in the back of the sofa. 2P. Yeah.

Where's that bracelet come from? Paper clip. Yeah. Oh, food. Take away. Oh, there's an excuse. Andretti, have that. Eat it.

You know, that's what he's done. That's what he's done. And I just, I really do think that he's, you know, it is a very good. excuse for just for Monaco and maybe Zanvort. But I think all the others, I mean, we spoke to obviously the wonderful friend of the podcast Jack who came on and talked about Hungary. If he had to commentating a wasps nest. Whatever it was.

I think we can squeeze another team in a garage at state of the art. Yeah. And also it's Formula One. You've got enough money. Find a way. They'll sort something out. Sort it out. Pay off someone with a fancy flat and put the cars in there.

We are talking about Monaco, the province, which is literally building more land into the sea at the moment. They've gone, we want to be bigger. We can't go into France. We'll go out to the sea. We can't invade France. They're too big.

We'll invade the ocean. Yeah. Take that ocean. The mechaturanian is ours. Anyway, if I'd directly have got 400 million that they want to spend on entering, give a little bit more. Get yourself a garage.

Yeah. Anyway, so I think that realistically, that's the way to, that's the way they're shut Christian up. What is? Tell him that his excuse is rubbish. Oh, right. Okay.

Yeah. Shove it, pal. Well, that's him told. Yeah, good. Christian, you make a lot of good points. That one. Naff. Anyway, that's it for all the main topics.

We're now going to move on to our game. It's very exciting. This is real or no real. Harry, you're going to play that theme song. Play that theme that's original. Not stolen. Oh, God, I've missed. She's working your host, Sam C.

No, Edmund. No, Edmund. We haven't got a silly shirt on. Do we need to swap seats now? Oh, yeah. We do. We're swapping seats, everyone. No, not only is it a new game,

Sam's going to do the soundboard for it. Which I've never, ever, ever done. Please hold, listeners. We should have put some music on for this bit. Oh, lift music. Kerski, I'm getting some lift music. Do do do do do do. Oh, God.

I bet this sounds good in audio. That's quite a bit warm. How big's your head? How do you? Look at the cat. Your headphones are massive. I have had to extend yours a little bit. A little bit?

A little bit. You're only scat off. Right. Anyway, folks, this is real or no real, where I am going to give Harry six scenarios that have happened in the world of Formula One, both historic and modern. Do we want to explain the concept of deal or no deal?

It's irrelevant, really. I haven't got a box, have I? Okay, carry up. I'll get to the banker in a minute. So there's going to be six scenarios where Harry will have to say real or no real, and after each one once he's giving his answer we will call the banker

or the banker will call us and provide the correct answer he might say something else, who knows? This is not a rip-off of Ben's game true or false either. It's definitely not similar to the classic game, true or false. So, you've got one to six, as is the normal routine. What would you like? Number one, please. Also, have you got a pen?

Oh, there it is. Sorry, have you chewed the end of that? No, it's not chewed. Right. Number one, yeah? Yes. Okay. When Keke Rosberg won his title,

yep, yep, he celebrated in a bit of a weird way. He bathed in reindeer milk and smoked a cigar. Is this real or no real? You can put the tension music on. How are you? This is question one, round one.

Could you get off to a good sign here? Well, Sam. I'm going to go with no real. No real. That's an interesting answer that you've gone for. He's present both twice. Fine. That's the banker calling, folks.

Let's pick up and see what he's got to say. Very interesting, yeah. He's asked me to tell you. You're a little bit of shit. He's also said, What's going on? The Tankings building. I feel sick.

It's correct! We! I can't get to the round of applause. It's going to take too long, but... Nice one, mate. One point. That was a lot for one question. The tension's going to keep building.

I got a bit carried away on the soundboard there. I'm not going to lie. I think we should keep this on, though. Just in the background. Just build a lot of tension. It's great. Okay, love it. We should do this more often.

Okay. You've got number two, three, four, five and six. What would you like? Number two, please. This is scary stuff. There's absolutely nothing on the line. from your pride. Okay.

Number two. Noreen Carter-Kane. What's the hang as what, please, Harry? The cucumber. Correct. That's not the question. Oh, real. Finished in 24th place in Valencia,

making him the only driver to ever finish in that position. Real or no real? I think that is real. Attention off for the banker. Well, the phone's ringing. I don't want that overwork for the listeners ears. Okay, yeah.

Thank you for calling, banker. Interesting. I'm still talking to him, please. Can you interrupt the banker? It's much more important than you are. Intense. Good. He's giving you an ultimatum.

Oh, no. Would you like to change your answer? No. Oh, he's decided to stick with his current option of real. It's correct. Yay! He's the only driver to ever finish a race in 24th place. Well, then, Lorraine.

Impressive stuff, eh? That is impressive. Good. This is a great game. Are you enjoying it? I'm mad we should have got some celebration music. Yeah, we should have done. I feel a bit silly about that now.

Put the rave remix on. I will do it at the end. That's how we go outro. All right, okay. Good. You sport that now. Sorry, folks. Good.

Right, anyway. That's attention. 3, 4, 5, or 6, please. Number 4, please. Number 4. I've got to jump over it. Oh, sorry. It's all right, mate.

When Alonso was at McLaren, reserve driver, Lando Norris, making him a cup of tea in the garage. Norris then decided to stir that cup of tea with an electric drill. Real? Or no real? I actually know the answer to this, but I'll keep the tension. No, that's fine. Well, I've had a great run so far, Sam. I don't want to walk away with nothing, but I won't be too right. I'm going to go with real. Hello? He's just said, Karama, Now you claimed quite confidently that you need the answer to this

I do remember seeing it What did you think What I saw it? You think this is going to come up in a I said to myself Harry remember this moment Because one day you'll be doing a podcast And Sam Edmonds will ask you

Never call me that again If this moment actually happened And you'll have to say Real And he's correct The answer's real Three for three You're a great time here.

What's up? Hold on. Back to the tension. God, these transitions are terrible. Anyway, you've got three, five and six. Number five, please. Number five. Oh, okay.

This is a great one. The voice is cracking with attention. It's so nervous. It's scary, isn't it? Yeah. When Max Verstappel won his first race, he got a bit drunk. And on the plane leaving,

Daniel Ricardo, of course, his teaming, threw 53 grapes into Max's mouth across the journey of the plane. Max managed to catch them all. Real or no real? You caught 53 grapes. In a row. Obviously, literally at the same time

as it catches the entire puny to his mouth. It was, you know, the classic throw-up, catch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm with you, I'm with you. I mean, I'm on, I could be on for a full house here, so I'm, I'm, I'm worried about this one. It feels like you're throwing a bit of a, bit of a curveball into the... Or a grape? Into the...

Into the works. I'm going to go for... going to go for no real sound. Really? Interesting. Yes, Mr. Banker. You don't like grapes? Strange.

That must mean that this answer is. Correct. It's no real! Yes. Four for four. Hold on, folks. That's the other music. It's so good.

That's tension. Sam, you're so good at the Noel Edmunds banker conversation. It's unreal. Someone's on the phone, mate. I'm talking to someone. Because it is... Well, anyway, this is for only people who've watched Old Edmund's, you know, no deal,

but they're just a random thing she said on the other end. Yeah. Oh, dear. Anyway. Hang on, you got two left. Three and six. Number six, please. I wonder why he saved that one.

This one's great. It might catch you out, actually. Okay. Yuki Sanoda lived in Milton Keynes for a while, much like yourself. We were roommates. Oh, you won't. After trying a pub lunch, he ate fish. chips and mushy peas.

And after this, he told his trainer he needs a really big poo. Oh. Real or no real? Now, I remember this from Drive to Survive, but I don't remember if... Oh, it's changed it up. I don't remember it if he actually says that after the mushy peas or that he hates the mushy peas. It's really tempting it.

Folks, this pulsar jingle is about a minute and a half long, and I'm really tempted to just let it run. I get out, mate. Megan's not going to stop us. Look how far we can fly. I know. No idea how far. I can climb.

I can fly. I am worried about this. Oh, the banker's calling early. Why is he calling me? Oh, no. Let me just pick up. I'm not answered yet. Hi, Mr. Banker.

You're right? He's still ringing. Excuse me, mate. That's the wrong phone. All right, Mr. Banker. Sorry, I picked up the wrong line there. You're right? He is taking his time, you're right, I know

It's very dull for the listeners Tell him to, he said, hurry up Okay Do the jingle, like No, no, no, he's on the phone, what you're saying? No real Sorry, Mr. Megger, I've got the jingle back on Because he don't build the tension, all that

He's gone no real, what do you think? I know you love Lashy P's Right, okay Is he like Milton Keynes? Do you like Milton Kings? He's got been He says, even people in Milton Kings

don't like Milton Kings. Right. He's giving me the answer. Okay. Did I have in front of you? I'm just got the questions, mate. All right. And the answer is,

no real! Five out of six, we're almost there. It was also a slip of the tongue because it's actually in the same episode of Drive to Survive. He says it at different points. He also loves the mushy peas. Oh, I thought he hates it.

He gives it a thumbs up. Is there anything you like, Sam Milton Kings? Much he is. I can relate to that. You got one final question. Which number would you like? Pick number three, my lord. Oh, I see, number three, please.

It's a great choice. In 1997, the McLaren was launched by the Spice Girls. I'm sure you remember it well. I was one, yeah? Yeah. Because of this huge factor that happened at the start of their season, David Coulthard decided to wear Union Jack Bucky Smugglers every race for the rest of the season, for luck.

Is this real or no real for a full house? Oh, man. Does sound like a... Does sound like a David Kulthar thing to do. It's a bit of a joker. As Ben of a joker. What a joker. Got him.

This is really tough. This could be six out of six and the first you ever reel on no real. I think budgie smugglers, like proper... Like, by the poor budgie smugglers. classic, like deep wifference. Wow. Deep on the wire.

That is an image. And of course his helmet was the Scottish flag, so he's quite patriotic in that sense. Okay. So his helmet and, okay. That wasn't me, folks. Wasn't me?

Okay. Yes, Harry. For no money. I'm going to go with, Chess pride. I'm going to go with no real. Oh my God. Oh, sorry, he miscalled.

I can't even find the music, I'm sorry. Let me just pick up the phone. Hello, yes, it's the last one. This might be the last one we ever do as well, because I know what this game is being. This podcast. We might be off. Ben White, murder us.

Anyway, yeah, the final one, yeah. You've got a pair. The comfy? Ask him about his helmet. Have you got a Scottish helmet? Right. Sorry, this is ridiculous, Mr. Blanker. Can I have the answer, please?

Uh-huh Uh-huh Okay, thank you Sweet baby G It's inside this Chili's tonight For six out of six A full house Harry Ead

You're correct That's the wrong one What's the celebration music On the left No, that one Rave time That has been Real on at rear with me

Sam's age And our very first contestant Harry E On the very last one Yeah, never did that again Get that off. What a like a crap that was. I think that was a roaring success.

Kirsty, what do you think? Give us a thumbs up. Give us a... Thumbs up. She's loved it. She loved it. Absolutely loved it. The first listener.

Wow. Maybe the only listener if she gets it all out. Don't edit it out. That was podcast gold. Gold's kind. It was podcast. Podcast bronze. The ones at Sports Day used to get like four, five, six medals.

Everyone's a winner. That's a big. this game. That's us too as host. Everyone is a winner. Anyway, do you want to do the outro? No. Sam, would you, wouldn't might... Thank God I'm doing it. We'll try that again. Sam, if you wouldn't mind, getting this out of here.

Folks, thank you for listening to the Sam and Harry episode. I think it's been quite good. I, I heartily agree. I don't know how long this has been. If you, if you, no, no, the back arrow. Yeah. And again, that'll do. Over an hour.

Wow. Huge, huge scenes. I mean, some of it will get editing out, but nonetheless. I don't think so. We've done all right here. It's all good. Anyway, folks, Ben will be back the next episode. Which is on Wednesday. Yes.

Yes. This Sunday. It'll be Wednesday for the Imola GP preview. Yay, well done, mate. Well done you. For the Imola GP preview, Ben will be back. You'll be leading in the show so you can all take a big deep sigh. Do you, sorry, to interrupt your outro.

Do you know what the official title of the Imala GP is? The Amelia Romagna something, something. It's something like, and go and look this up, everyone. The Qatar Airways made in Italy, Amelia Romagna, GP. No. That's so stupid. How many more sponsors do you need in this GP? Also, I also found out what French for sausage is.

Oh, that's a good callback. What is it? Socies. Socies, not saucy-sons. No, that's sausage is. I'm just on sausage. Understood. Sausis sautis.

Sausage is. Yeah. Anyway, great outro. We do have Twitter at Elbreaking like breaking on podcast and Instagram and TikTok. You do this every week.

Why do you not? I can post the rest of the freaking show. Join us, please, midweek, where Ben will be back, thank Christ. And it's been a blast. Patreon's available. Discord's available.

Let me get out of this. In the meantime, I'll be Samuel Sege. I've been a saucy song. Great. Keep breaking late. Uh, uh, uh, uh, bang, come back. Please.

Oh, no, no. Was he one? It's August. Keep breaking late. Bye. Podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network.