The Late Braking F1 Podcast - BEST and WORST liveries of 2024 | Pimp My F1

Episode Date: February 18, 2024

All of the 2024 liveries have now been revealed so it's time for one of our favourite episodes of the year - Pimp My F1! The LB boys discuss all of the livery designs and pick the best and worst of th...em. They also cover Alonso's recent comments on the 2025 driver market, the new F2 and F3 rule and whether it should be implemented in F1, and finish with a game of Show Me The Options... FOLLOW us on socials! You can find us on YouTube, Instagram, X (Twitter) and TikTok SUPPORT our Patreon for bonus episodes, historic race reviews & more! JOIN our Discord community JOIN our F1 Fantasy League: Link to SIGN UP & create your team Link to JOIN our league (join code: C3PHEQHPU04) BUY our Merch EMAIL us at podcast@latebraking.co.uk   & SUBSCRIBE to our podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to check out new episodes every Wednesday and every Sunday. A very warm welcome to the late breaking F1 podcast presented by Harry Ysam Sage and me, Ben Hocking. We're coming off Wednesday's episode, of course, teammate wars, one of our favorite episodes of the year. How on earth are we going to follow that, Sam? a little bit of pimp my F1 because we're very qualified
Starting point is 00:00:51 to talk about the appearance of Formula One cars Best episode of the year I think it sounds very about the year I just like looking at pretty things and talking about them like I have any qualification to do so and also get very annoyed when they don't look very good I was going to say they're not all pretty not all pretty
Starting point is 00:01:12 That's where the fun comes from Yeah, well, we'll get on to that very soon. I actually listened to 2023's episode of Pimp My F1 in preparation for this episode, just I wanted to find out what we voted for last year. You'll be glad to know that within the first five minutes, Sam referenced Poo, and Harry asked what your favourite sandwich fillings are.
Starting point is 00:01:40 So if you're wondering, if you've evolved in last year, the answer is no. actually not at all. Tell me your feelings. We have not changed. The content's not changed in a year. There you go. Not one bit. And Sam's absolutely right. We are not qualified to talk about this whatsoever. But the good news is for your folks, we're not qualified to talk about anything. So you won't notice too much difference. As reference, PIMMyF1 is going to kick off this episode. We do have another couple of topics a bit later on in the show. But PIMMy F1, if you're on certain what we're actually going to do in this topic because I appreciate the title itself might not give everything away. We're looking at the 10 liveries on the grid. They have all now been revealed. Red Bull cutting it fine, releasing their livery about 30 minutes before we're recording this episode, although no surprise. It's the same as it always is. We'll be giving out awards such as favourite, second favourite, third favourite, most improved, biggest letdown.
Starting point is 00:02:35 And then lastly, the wooden spoon, who has the worst livery on the 2023 grid? And I'm sure there might be a rant about carbon fiber somewhere in there. Again, that was something that happened 12 months ago as well, having listened to that back. You can't spell carbon fiber without car, was a famous phrase from Sam Sage. I stand by it. Yeah, can't blame you in.
Starting point is 00:03:00 So, okay. Best place to start, obviously. We're going to be positive in this first segment. We're going to go with our favorite livery. And Sam, since you love this episode so much, you can kick us off. Oh, this is the top of the bill. Obviously, folks, you listen to this bit. It's not going to get any better after we give our favourites.
Starting point is 00:03:17 It's all going to become misery and shouted and being fed up with it immediately. I feel like it's obvious what the best one is, and I would be very surprised, actually, if there's any major differences between what we say here. But numro uno, Ferrari have done it again. What a beautiful, red, gorgeous little beauty that Ferrari is. The yellow is just on point. The numbers settle into the car really, really well. They've kept the big Ferrari along the rear wing, which I think is so classic.
Starting point is 00:03:45 It's everything a Ferrari should be. A little bit of carbon fiber on the size. I don't mind a little bit where you can't really see it and he doesn't really make much of a difference. It helps a bit of weight saving. No problem. But when that car is so clearly red and Charlerclair did one lap in a big green on his face and it's just his hard got to love the red car in F1, right? So, yeah, Ferrari is the best of every the year.
Starting point is 00:04:08 It's just sexy, as Shrek would say, no, it's donkey. As donkey would say, it's sexy. And I agree. It is glorious. Two episodes in the row where Charlotte Claire's smile has got a reference here. It's good stuff. It's in my mind. Handsome men stuck in my brain.
Starting point is 00:04:27 It's true. Of course, Harry, yeah, you weren't here for teammate wars. Well, out of interest, probably move on. What's your reaction to us having the same predictions? I think my reaction is that even if I get it all right and win next year, won't be a solo win and that's the most disappointing and depressing thing I've ever heard. I have to share half the cup. I could win, but also not, still not win.
Starting point is 00:04:51 Good stuff. Challenge for either Sam or Kirstie, come up with a tie breaker question for myself and Harry for if we tie. I want you to get your solo win if you deserve it, mate. Thanks, man. I'm also, can we clip Sam's a bit about P.A. Gazley because I want to play that one back if he doesn't win. It was excellent. Excellent all round. I'll stand by even if he loses. Honestly, the barbecue alone is going to be worth it. Oh dear.
Starting point is 00:05:20 Okay, so Sam, Sam has picked the Ferrari livery as his favourite for this year. And if I'm correct and saying, it was also his favourite last year. And he did the year before. So I think he's three in a row. Three. Baby news. Three. Harry, are you matching because you also gave Ferrari your favorite livery last year. I am, I'm afraid. I thought, Ferrari, I think, maybe I didn't do it for 2022, but yeah, last year definitely favourite livery. And this isn't really the same, but it's, it's, I think it's better. I didn't think they could do it, but it's, oh Lord, it's so nice. I mean, I don't know what, initially I was like, maybe I'm just so happy because there's actually not a lot of carbon fibre on it. And they've actually painted it. But no, it's just great. They look so
Starting point is 00:06:10 good. It's a shame that it's on a Ferrari, to be honest, almost wasted. But at least that Charlotte and Clar and Carlos Lines will look good when everything's going wrong around with them. Yeah, that's a, that's a lovely, lovely looking car. And the extra bits of yellow and I'm got white in there. Chef's Kiss. So I didn't pick Ferrari last year. I actually picked Mercedes last year as my favourite livery. Interesting. And one thing we established from teammate was midweek, despite the fact that we had a difference in the Alpine debate that Sam went Pierre Gasly, myself and Harry have gone Esteban Okon. Other than that, there was a whole lot of agreeing. It was uncomfortable for me. And here we are, both of you have agreed that Ferrari have the best
Starting point is 00:06:59 livery. So I can't possibly also say Ferrari. It's just I can't do it for the sake of the podcast. But also, I don't actually think it is the best livery because I'm about to blow everyone's minds here. sorry folks, Sam's going to probably kill me through the screen. Because whilst they are impostors on the track, has have the best livery this year. It is beautiful. I thought, Hey, no one told me.
Starting point is 00:07:29 What's going on? No one told me that Midland F1 were back in Formula One. And I was like, oh, that's interesting. And then my second thought was, hang on a minute. I love Midland F1's livery. and I love this one as well. I actually ranked Hasse 2nd last year and the only thing I said was that would make it better
Starting point is 00:07:47 was the front of the car needs to be black. And it is. For me, it is the only livery that I looked at from every angle and thought, damn, that be great. And good for them because they're going to be slow doing it. Hey, we're going to be able to see this car a lot because it's not going to be traveling very fast,
Starting point is 00:08:05 so we'll always get very good glimpses of it. I thought this was nice. It's simple, it's slick, primary colour, black, secondary colour, tertiary colour red, looks wonderful. I thought this was the best of the lot. Okay, that was a really good comedic bit you just did, Ben. Now do the real one. And now you can give your real answer, because that is, are you an imposter of a host? Surely you must be.
Starting point is 00:08:32 There must be a different bag under there. You can pull your mask back. It'll be real, Ben. I thought it's great. I think the last, last years I thought was great. Year before, I thought it's pretty good. I think they've just improved over the last few years, and it looks, it looks mean.
Starting point is 00:08:46 It's not going to be mean, but it looks mean. Look mean, don't be mean. It's a good, good motto for life. That's their motto. The Excel bully of Formula One cars. Oh, God. Okay. Oh, I don't know if we want to go down that route.
Starting point is 00:09:04 But yeah, unfortunately, Midland aren't back in F1 because they might actually be quicker than he says us, but we'll see on that one. We go to runner up next. So last year, as I mentioned, I had Hassas runner up. Harry, you had Aston Martin as your second place finisher. And Sam, you had Mercedes. What have you got for second place, Sam?
Starting point is 00:09:24 This one is much closer, but I am going to go exactly the same route as I did last year. It'd be really, really boring. And I think Mercedes is second again. I think that the way they've fagued the silver into the black is really nice. I think from most angles it looks pretty good.
Starting point is 00:09:39 The only thing I don't love about it is, which is why it wasn't first, is the halo is completely black and it just kind of digs straight into the silver of the front of the car. But Mercedes have a right to be black. They've earned the right to be black. And I think that they have really done a brilliant job at mixing their heritage, right? The classic silver arrows, which they got all the way back from the 50s and before, Orang, Germany, when they were racing as a nation, the colour they were given was silver, and it shows their heritage of which shows who they are where they come from.
Starting point is 00:10:11 I love that. And then black, of course, to showcase the recent changes alongside Lewis Hamilton, support Black Lives Matter and to raise a wangess. And I think they've showed both sides of that really effortlessly. I think the first time they did this weird silver to black transition, it was abysmal. We've seen it a couple of times from them. It's so hideous. This time, they've nailed it.
Starting point is 00:10:31 I think it does a great job on having each. of its profiles look very tasty. So yeah, second place. I think Ferrari comfortably beat it and I think this is much closer to third place than it is to first, but I do very much like it. And we'll find out who your third place is very soon. But yes, going Mercedes as he did last year, but a very, as you say, very different design to what they offered up last year. Harry, second place from your side. We're just copying last year, me and Sam, but I'm going for Austin Martin again. I know there's nothing really much different about it apart from maybe a bit more carbon fibre
Starting point is 00:11:05 but I just like that green is good it's just a nice looking car it's kind of simple but I respect it and I like it so yeah I'm going for Astor Martin again it's probably a boring choice but it still looks good and the way
Starting point is 00:11:23 we'll get onto the carbon fibre boys but the way they've done it they're still quite a bit of carbon fibre but the way they've done it is that if you look at it front on looks all green you look at it side on looks all green the only time you notice it if you look top down on it which I saw someone trying to call out as bad
Starting point is 00:11:41 because you know Alpine got slack rightly so why aren't asked in getting slack because they've been clever about it and you do it from the angles that the TV sees it so I respect them for being clever I don't know if this was the pictures but it's slightly different shade of green this year
Starting point is 00:12:00 yeah it's a more green green green right I think a bit of a bluey green they had, like almost like a blue bottle last year. It's like a green green. I don't know. Maybe. You're there. You see it in person half the time. How don't you know?
Starting point is 00:12:14 I don't think it's a different green. I think it's same green. I thought it was a little bit more British racing green. A little bit darker. I don't know. Year one was different green. I think it's been same green. Oh God.
Starting point is 00:12:27 We're talking about greens. This is good. Right. Wait, we are LB. Green. It's important. And we'll get on to that specific shade of green later on, I'm sure. Harry, you need to go to your art team, please,
Starting point is 00:12:38 and I want a specific colour code that they used last year and this year. Okay. I'll get on that. Cheers, mate. Appreciate it. Have we all got different runner-ups? We do all have different runner-ups because my runner-up is Menardi. I think I like the old Toro Rosso colors very much, and they mostly brought that back. It's still not quite 2018-2020 prime Toro-Rosso livery era.
Starting point is 00:13:10 However, I still think it's a pretty good effort. And I was worried about Menardi because I guess you've got a lot of contrasting colors that could have gone on that car in that you've got the green of cash app, which fortunately they've kind of stayed away from and they've just got the logo, I think, on the car representing green. But then you've also got the blue of the old Toro or so. and you've got the colours of Visa and you've got that red all
Starting point is 00:13:34 and still on the side of the car, which, by the way, still looks pretty awful, but is an improvement on how it contrasted with the Alfa Tauri last year, which I think ended up as my worst livery last year. So I think this is a step in the right direction. I think the Honda looks good on the side of the car.
Starting point is 00:13:51 I like how they've incorporated the red. And it just, it pops. It's one that you're not going to struggle to notice it in what is a very, there are a lot of, as we've already referenced, a lot of carbon fibre going around, a lot of black.
Starting point is 00:14:07 So I, I thought it popped. I like this. It doesn't make up for the fact that the name's stupid, but they tried. They tried. Well done.
Starting point is 00:14:16 They did try. Which means, third place. Yes, 100,000 different grain. That's Kirsty. Harry, we talk about me. You're a liar. Is that actually?
Starting point is 00:14:28 Yeah. I just can't answer. I don't know what I didn't know why I did that then. Look at your phone. There's a text message on your phone that compares both of them and it is so more green than it was. Please, please I'll call it. I think they're the same green.
Starting point is 00:14:43 Oh, no, that's under different lights though. Top ones under our initial lights. Right, you two can fire at it afterwards. This absolute scandal. I love it. I don't know. Right away from green for a moment. Third place, Sam.
Starting point is 00:14:59 What we got? Well, I think, what did I put last year? Have you written it down? We didn't have third place last year. We just went to second. I've decided to extend it out. I'm wild. It's 2024, though.
Starting point is 00:15:10 This is new content. Don't say we don't give you something new every year because we'd be bringing it to you every ball. That is a very niche reference. I don't know if any Formula One fan is ever going to understand it. I don't think anyone else on the podcast, I understand it. Anyway, third place. I think this one might surprise people with what I'm going to say for third place.
Starting point is 00:15:28 and it's because of this new innovation that they've got on the airbox above where the driver's head sits and they've got this brilliant sponsorship that blends in brilliantly. I know if you've heard of it, it's called Duracel. It's a battery and they've done a really good job. I've not seen it before.
Starting point is 00:15:45 But Williams are my third favorite livery of the season. It's like therapy for Sam. He's like, if I say it, I can't get mad about it because I'm the one saying it. I pretend that I'm going to. I'm going to break the news to him in a moment. They actually had it on them before.
Starting point is 00:16:03 Anyway, the blue is a much more Williams blue. I think they've got some really lovely touches that hark back to the classic Williams days with kind of the Rothman's livery, the white that traces around the car, I think is lovely. And they've got some really nice branding in terms of other sponsorships now that sit around the car. And it's impactful, it's clean, it's simple. They're doing blue right. And I've had some arguments with the Formula One livery. teams over the last couple of years, where we have about four different types of blue across
Starting point is 00:16:34 the grid. And I think this is the one. Williams get blue. It's their colour. They deserve to have it. And they've got it right. So, you know, it's well done to the Williams team. James Vowell succeeds again in elevating the team.
Starting point is 00:16:48 It's classic. It's clean. It's simple. It's got Jura cell. It's fully charged. Can you imagine James Vowl's just taking credit for this. I've painted on my own. everyone in design is mad because James Val is at the front.
Starting point is 00:17:02 Like, I'll take this one as well, lads. It's fine. Pat myself on the back. Love blow, I do. All right. Williams, third place for Sam. Harry, third place for you. I've gone for Monardy.
Starting point is 00:17:13 For all the reasons you've mentioned, Ben, but, you know, it's basically the old Toro rollo livery, which I really liked. It's not as good as, you know, as the Torooso, mainly because it's got Visa written down the side of it. I don't massively like the way they've done that white stripe thing. Thank God you mention that. I detest the white stripe over its nose.
Starting point is 00:17:33 Yeah, I think that could have just been a, just a little white stripe rather than a, like a big old chunk. Anyway, I still really like it. It looks great. And I think, again, like maybe it was maybe the first one that wasn't carbon fiber. And we were all like, yes, some colour.
Starting point is 00:17:53 But I think it still holds up. And you're right, Ben, it just pops. It just pops. So yeah, I'm going to go for Manadi. As you say, does not make up for their stupid-ass name, but Manadi. Well, said, my third place goes to Ferrari. I think it, for me, it goes in the very good to maybe great category. I appreciate a lot of people have a higher opinion of that Ferrari than I do.
Starting point is 00:18:24 I think it's one of those where from some angles I absolutely love it, like front on, I think it looks insanely good. The yellow and white stripes, I can't quite decide whether I love them or not. I've been in this debate for like a week now. So I think from some angles it looks great. The reason I haven't got it higher is because I actually think the side of the car is pretty ugly. I think with the two bits of carbon fibre and then you've got that red in the middle. And they've realized we need to pile in like 10 logos in here. And they've kind of just gone, they'll all go there then.
Starting point is 00:18:59 whereas I think if it was a bit more spread out across and it was a full red side of the car it would be rated higher from my side so I think the first glimpse I had of it was the front end shot and I was like holy damn this is the one and then I saw it from the side I was like okay not what I was looking for
Starting point is 00:19:18 but having said that it's still a very good livery which is why it makes the top three fine fine fine. Hey look my opinion means nothing I put Haas first all right. That's so true. I'm glad you're aware. With that, we'll take our first quick break. On the other side, we've got more Pimp My F1. We're going to be giving out our Most Improved, our biggest letdown and the worst livery of 2024.
Starting point is 00:20:04 Okay, we now go to Most Improved. Technically we could pick a team that has already featured in the top three. But if we have got any other ones that have improved instead, that might be nice for some variety. just to give you an idea on what we selected last year. Hasse was the Most Improved Livery for you, Sam. Harry, you had Mercedes and so did I. I also had Mercedes. So, Sam, over to you first for this one. Most Improved Livery.
Starting point is 00:20:30 Well, I'm finally going to jump on the bangwagon, and I'm going to go with V-Cab slash Mangardi. I think the previously named Alfa Tauri livery that we had last season was really ugly. The fact they went from being so smart to be so ugly, It was the introduction of the Alland and the Flexbox sponsorships with how they tied into that kind of almost like grey blue colour that they had alongside the white. Initially it was a really lovely two-tone livery and then that just impact of the red was really bad in place. It was really blotchy and horrible. I do think the car does a very good job at Harking Back Tour or so with its almost literal like Red Bull Kang style colour, which I really like.
Starting point is 00:21:08 And it very much reminds me of the original Red Bull liverys when they very first came to the sport. I just don't like on the front of the car right down from the halo down to the nose they've got that thick white stripe that goes over the middle that just breaks up in a really unnatural way and I think it's a bit ugly in that sense also I just think there's one too many colours going on
Starting point is 00:21:27 I'm not sure which one I would take off but I love that core blue they have done it nicely it does go back to what feels like a classic livery now despite only being a few years ago and I do think it's impactful like you guys have said it jumps off the page it does stand out in a sea of carbon
Starting point is 00:21:42 and they have redeemed themselves a little for having one of the scrupiest names in Formula One history. Yeah, before I give my one, I'll go over to Harry in a moment but I would have had them as my most improved. The only reason I don't is because I've got them second because myself and Sam both had Alfa Tauri's last place in in 20203. Most improved for you, Harry. Really, I'm just copying myself.
Starting point is 00:22:08 I've gone for Mercedes again. even though I liked last year, I like this one even more. It looks like a circa 2005 McLaren and I like that. I like that a lot. Yeah, and I'm glad that they have
Starting point is 00:22:24 they could, you know, out of all the teams they had the biggest case to carry on with all carbon fiber or all black because they did it last year, but they didn't. And I respect that. Thank you, Mercedes. You could adjust an all carbon fiber and would have been like,
Starting point is 00:22:40 yeah, but we did last year, so you can't be bad at us. But you didn't. So thank you. Put a bit of silver back in there. And it's like it's a refreshing Mercedes livery. It's not just silver and it's not just black. I'm not saying they were bad either way. But it's something a bit different, which, you know, they've not, maybe they're a bit less, I'm afraid to do it,
Starting point is 00:23:03 a bit less afraid to do it these days. But yeah, it's just nice. It's, do you remind when I saw it, I was like, I thought it was like a concept. I just flipped on social media I was like, oh, that must be someone like saying that that's what they'd like it to be. And I was like, oh no, wait, that's actually it.
Starting point is 00:23:16 So, yeah, what I'm a Mercedes, you get my most MVP again. No, wait, MIP. I think saying it's like a concept is actually a massive compliment to any livery because the amount of times I look at artists' impressions of what they want the car to be like and think, that looks better than anything
Starting point is 00:23:33 they've ever produced. And I think that every season, by at least one or two teams. So, yeah, I think fair shout. Well, you remember Red Bull over the course of about three years every year, decided to pull out a concept car and then strip it back to exactly what it always is. And I mean, Alpha Romeo were quite guilty of that, weren't they, with their heart-themed car, if you remember that one?
Starting point is 00:23:57 I loved that car on Valentine's Day. It was really nice. The Renault-black livery still runs around in my head rent-free. So, yes. A weird, fun fact, my F1, 2022 career livery was based entirely on that black Renault. It was gorgeous. You said that already. I think you've dropped that one on the podcast before.
Starting point is 00:24:22 I think I spoke about it last year because, again, as with Ben, it is wringing around in my head, vaguely. Most improved from my side, as I say, Menardi is probably the true answer to this. But another one I think has improved is McLaren. I didn't really like the livery at all last year because it looks like a pack of highlighters that you get before you start school in September and this year it, quite honestly, doesn't.
Starting point is 00:24:49 I still don't absolutely love it. It's still middle of the pack for me, but, and honestly, it doesn't look anywhere near as good as the indie versions, which are insane, but it's still a pretty good one. It's far more professional than it was. Like last year, it looked like,
Starting point is 00:25:06 a 10-year-old had created a concept car on the Formula One game. This looks like a professional outfit. Do I love it? No, but last year it was bordering on last place this year, probably about fifth. So the indie car is so irritating. I tweeted this when they released deliveries. I said, why do Indy car get to have so much fun? And we're sat here with a mostly carbon fibre grid.
Starting point is 00:25:31 And the indie livery is so gorgeous. And WhatsApp McLaurang is nice. you've got things like the original arrows livery that dig, I think, black and orange so well. It's almost like the black and gold of the lotus old school, which of course some cars have tried to reciprocate. It's a big statement livery, I think, to have black and orange on your car. It can really be impactful. It's just not enough orange.
Starting point is 00:25:54 Bit more orange. And you'd be very happy. I'm sure that's what lots of doctors say to people that haven't got enough vitamin d or C in their system. Bit more orange. I wouldn't give it. Just shouting at people. Just that's the diagnosis.
Starting point is 00:26:11 Just a bit more, a bit more orange. I wouldn't give it to McLaren just because this is like a, it's like a base livery for all the special liveries are going to do this year. So what's the point? That's a fair point. Very fair point.
Starting point is 00:26:24 It won't matter, will it? We'll forgotten what this even looks like by the time we get to the end of the season. Here's our special pre-season livery edition. Yeah, it's limited edition. Why is I'll call it that? it's a fair point. But yeah, first time they've got rid of that blue, which I just don't think was necessary at all.
Starting point is 00:26:43 So, yeah, I've got McLaren there. We're going to stop being positive now. That's far too much positivity for this podcast. Biggest letdown, Sam. I am re-torn on biggest letdown between two liveries. And I really like Ben that you put in that we're going to discuss others that haven't been mentioned yet. So I will save that for the...
Starting point is 00:27:05 the end bit. Biggest letdown is, you know, half done steak, kicking the teeth, who cares about Salber anymore? Because they've stolen our colours, right? They came along and they went, who's the greatest podcast in all of Formula One broadcasting? Late breaking, and they've got a great colour scheme. So we're going to steal it.
Starting point is 00:27:26 And they've absolutely pooed all over it, quite frankly. They've literally, it's just a neon green outline. the race suits look like some kind of go-car rental suit that you get given when you turn up for a 30-minute casting session. Valtry Boss Asen, Zhou Wang, you look terrible in all formats I've seen it in. The car just doesn't look good. The social media looks like it's run by a seven-year-old that doesn't know what to do other than on paint. It is.
Starting point is 00:27:53 And I just think it is. They're all like, we're redefining branding. We're marketing geniuses. We're so cool. We've got Drake on our team. And then you come out with that monstron. I've made better liveries with the same paint scheme on Formula One, the game. And even that's not hard to do.
Starting point is 00:28:12 Release one on my own and it'll be better. This was a real letdown. I was hoping that the only thing they'd do is she would be a cool neon green livery, and it's atrocious. I like how they are redefining branding. How? By not having their name announced at a third of all Grand Prix this year. There's nothing quite like not being said in terms of branding.
Starting point is 00:28:34 Marks in 101. Damn right. I didn't have stake in this position, although they easily could have been. A lot of people either absolutely love or absolutely hate this livery, I feel, and I kind of don't belong in either camp. I think it's pretty more bad than good, but I think letdown is probably more accurate because it could have been very good. But instead, you'll see it.
Starting point is 00:29:02 You'll know it's there. I'll give it that, but yeah, they could have done a lot more with it. Biggest letdown from you, Harry. I'm fuming about steak. How can you butcher our colours that badly? And quite frankly, we are originally, we based our colours off the brawn, which we've mentioned several times. It's adapted over the years.
Starting point is 00:29:27 We've got a bit more black in it now. So it's now effectively what steak have. And you've ruined it. Rubbish. How can you make... great, great colors of late breaking. Looks so terrible. Ow!
Starting point is 00:29:42 It's, it's, it's, it's, should be impossible to balls that up. You've got lime green and black. It's really easy to make a cool looking card. It looks like rubbish. Oh, I almost swore again. What's wrong with me lately? Very angry.
Starting point is 00:29:57 Free in a row. Yeah, I know. You are, an angry boy. Angry, Harry. Yeah, it's just, it looks so crap. I hate it. And you're right. the the, it's all the stuff around it, which I don't think helps, but the overalls look terrible,
Starting point is 00:30:11 all the content and, I don't know what's happened. Alpha Romeo, I've taken their, uh, their content team with them, but it's, bye, bye. Yeah. Because normally when teams rebrand, all the teams stay the same and it's just carried over and it's the same team doing the same thing. But I don't think that's clearly not happened here. Or if they, if it's the same team from last year, they're like being held at gunpoint to make
Starting point is 00:30:33 things worse or something, like they must be. Because it's terrible. It's all terrible. So steak. State your allegiance to steak. Do it. You know, and I always come back to a Simpsons reference. When they, I don't know who it is. I think Marge is often is on a date with someone and they get Tom Jones to sing, but he's like on being doing it at gunpoint. He's like got a gun in his back. This is the, this is the steak social media admin. anyway, it's terrible.
Starting point is 00:31:06 Yep. First four, actually, when State come about this year, wow, this is like Tom Jones in The Simpsons being held at gunpoint when Marges on a date. It's fair point. I do have a bit of variety here because, as I say, I could have gone for State. I didn't go for State. I've gone for someone else. I've gone for Williams.
Starting point is 00:31:24 It's done do anything for me. Don't do anything for me. It still annoys me that they're not using the golf stuff to its full extent to be completely. I appreciate there's more at play than just that where I can very easily sit on the sidelines and go, they've got golf, therefore they should make a really nice livery because of that. I appreciate there's probably more financial and other considerations behind it, but it's still a little bit frustrating. It's just a bit nothing for me, to be honest.
Starting point is 00:31:52 It's one of those where the easiest way I can describe it is, in three years time, I asked me to draw it and I probably won't be able to tell you anything about it. I don't know. It just doesn't, I don't even disagree with your points on it, Sam, because everything you say is logical and should do something to me, and it doesn't. What's, what's, what's, you suppose this is the biggest letdown? What were you expecting? Was it, is it just the goal before they unveiled it?
Starting point is 00:32:17 Or was there something that you thought they're going to do this that's going to be so spectacular? Because I compare it to when they had the Williams two or three years ago, when they had that weird, horrible yellow bit down the back of the car that just looked like someone had done some yellow snow or put it on a Formula One car and it was atrocious. But now it's lovely and classy. So what were you expecting that meant it was your biggest letdown? I simply put, I thought last year's one was pretty good. And I don't think this year's one.
Starting point is 00:32:47 I guess I was expecting it to be of a similar status to last year. And even if you put the golf thing to one side, I guess, even though I really like it, Hass and Money Graham, you know exactly because of, of that Moneygram sponsorship exactly what direction that's going to go. You know exactly what direction the Ferrari's going to go. I feel like Williams are slightly less bound almost
Starting point is 00:33:10 and they've got room to be a little bit more creative and I just, yeah, didn't really think much of it. Fair enough, mate. We're all entitled to our opinions. But Ben's got a wrong one because he put half-first. Good thing too, otherwise I'll be murdered. Yeah, I could say the first one was wrong.
Starting point is 00:33:28 No, well. Worse livery. We go to the Wooden Spoon Award. Sam, I'm going to sit back. Yeah, well, Ben's opinion is wrong. The livery is wrong. The branding is wrong. And the use of carbon fibre is wrong.
Starting point is 00:33:47 It could not be more boring. It could not be less inventive if it's crime. The worst livery. The worst livery. It is the worst livery on the grid. It sucks. I can't. believe. I completely forgot to ask if you were okay after your one day coma.
Starting point is 00:34:06 You missed the Alpine. I'll get to the Alpine, but it's not the worst livery. It's a different category that we don't even have on the list. Right. Okay. It's worse than last. The livery. Okay. The horse is carbon fiber with a sponsor that feels, I don't know, like it's a joke on the car. And it's just so dull. They do everything wrong with the, colors that they've got. It's just so bland. The Haasth branding is bland. Gene Haasse has got his friends who are designers,
Starting point is 00:34:38 so he probably does the car with some crayons on a bit of paper while he's at, I don't know, his favourite fast food restaurant or table. And it's just, it's the only colour he's got, red, white and black. And it's not even black, it's grey. It's just gnaff. It's just gnaff, it's boring. And I happily not see it all year. It doesn't, same with you.
Starting point is 00:34:58 Exactly, because it'll be two lapsed behind. it does nothing for me other than fill me with eternal rage. Well, we're a long way from teammate wars and agreeing with everything. I like this. Back to normal late breaking. Good stuff. Harry, you're going with Hask, you're going with a different team. I'm so shook of about Sam.
Starting point is 00:35:27 Are you sure you weren't in a coma? Just for one day? I've got things to say about Alpine, but... But they're above Haas. But they're above Haas, is what you're saying? They are above Haas by one place. Oh, okay. I don't like the Haas that much.
Starting point is 00:35:47 Maybe, I've not really thought, maybe it is ninth for me. I don't know, it's obviously not first. But at least it's a livery that Alpine is a car with stickers on it. It just has some stickers on it. And then they have the audacity. to say, oh yeah, but we've also got a pink version. No, you don't. It's not pink.
Starting point is 00:36:08 It's the same car. Do you... Oh, my God. Ridiculous. That is not... That should be, there's a criminal offence. Someone needs to go to jail. Whoever it is.
Starting point is 00:36:19 You've designed that in every... Straight to jail. Awful. That just shouldn't... And I know that it sparked off a lot of discussion about minimum amount of paint on an F-1 car, which I fully agree with. F1, I know we like looking at the pretty liveries, but it's more, it's more than that.
Starting point is 00:36:38 It's like the branding of the sport. You can't have cars going around with no brand on them because what, like, what we're doing here? It's just ridiculous. So the Alpine is more, because I don't, it may not actually look that bad, but it's more the audacity to say that's a livery. You shouldn't be allowed.
Starting point is 00:36:59 I'm sorry, not just the audacity, to say that's a livery, the audacity to promote something else that you're going to do and then not follow through on it. Do it again. This is where you're both wrong. This is where you're both wrong because that is not the livery. You promote all you want that's wrong and I agree and that's where I was going to get to do later. But that ain't the livery and we're judging the liveries here.
Starting point is 00:37:20 So you can't say that as part of your equation. You can talk to that as part of your marketing campaign and how it's an absolute load of poo, which it was, it's the biggest cuck in Formula One. is the biggest tease we've ever seen. It is the biggest joke to spread camouflage around the internet. And it was going to be this sexy pink camo, which I agree might have been a top livery. And it is atrocious what they brought out.
Starting point is 00:37:43 But that isn't the livery. And that's the whole point of Pimp my F1. I've lost all ability to be reasonable with Alpine, I'm afraid. Because, yeah, no, don't do that, Alpine. Yeah, there is one positive and only one, and you kind of touched on it, Harry, if that car is the reason we get some sort of regulation about how much paint actually needs to be on a car, fine. If that doesn't come about because of this, then it is a complete waste of time and one of the worst deliveries I've ever seen in my life. There is one shot, and I'm not sure if you'd have seen the same shot, but it's kind of, it's not front on, but it's almost overhead going,
Starting point is 00:38:31 looking at the sort of back right of the car. And it looks like four, it looks like an optical illusion. It looks like four different liveries all combined in one in this very weird, like jaggedy spot. There's, you got a, yeah, there you go. You got it.
Starting point is 00:38:50 Why? It looks awful. I am so frustrated because when that glorious moment comes, and Esteban Ockon wins the world championship in this thing, We're going to remember the bad livery that came with it. Honestly. I don't have too much to say here because it's that bad. It's like trying to reason with the biggest idiot you know.
Starting point is 00:39:14 There's no point in trying. Hey, he's here. That's the biggest gig idiot you know. I'm going to give you some reason. I think there's a little bit of double standards going on here. And I agree it's not a good livery. But we spoke earlier on this very episode about the Rengo living rank free in our head. which was all black with a yellow lying on it on the side,
Starting point is 00:39:34 which I would argue is the same amount of colour that is on this Alpine. I have no issue with an all black car. I have no issue with them having a tiny bit of colour on it. The Mercedes, all black car is stunging. We love it. I hate that the whole grid is carbon fibre. The biggest disappointment with this whole Alpine branding, as we've already mentioned,
Starting point is 00:39:52 is the social media marketing around it. And then what topped it off or put the cherry on the top was when, I hope you're listening, Mr Alpine, or Mrs Alpine social media, manager where you released that video going, it's got some carbon fiber on it and kept zooming in on bits of car that were coloured. And I thought, you're taking the absolute
Starting point is 00:40:11 Michael. The biscuit has been broken and that is a joke. Yes, it needs more colour. And they have the potential to be a lovely looking car. But I just think there's a little bit of wiggle room in what we're saying. I'm so insulted by this car. It is. Insulting, right?
Starting point is 00:40:33 It's absolutely insane. And Ben, just despite you, they'll probably be really good this year now. Like, it'll start winning races. You'd be like, oh, God, not that car. You know what? If it propels the war mode, I might be all right with them. Who haven't we mentioned? I'm sure there's one team we haven't mentioned.
Starting point is 00:40:57 I think all of us have mentioned the team at some point. Yeah. Red Bull. We managed to cover all 10. I mean, I'll go. Red Bull. That's it, Red Bull. Yeah. Looks the same as, well, the livery looks the same as last year.
Starting point is 00:41:11 Don't know about the side pods. The car don't. They are, they are, Adrian Newey is just messing with Mercedes head. It's just like, why? Yeah, because Sam retweeted it. The video of it today, go past it Silverson, sound like R2D2 screaming. What is the, what is inside that car? Look, I'm scared.
Starting point is 00:41:31 I'm scared. The design team of that car, the livery design team, steal a living. Honestly, I've never seen an easier job to make a livery for a car because it's just literally go control C, drag, control V. But there's no sidepods. And Mercedes stolen them? Are they on the Aston Martin? Where have they gone?
Starting point is 00:41:57 It's like, where's Wally? Where's the sidepods? If it works, there's going to be some very, very, very, very grumpy people in the Mercedes garage. Max Mustafa must have turned up and seen it and just been like, I see you all at the prize giving later in December. See you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:15 Woohoo. Oh, God. So that brings an end to Pimp my F1 for another year. But as always, we are interested to know what you think. What is the best delivery? What's the worst delivery? What's the biggest letdown? Let us know at our normal channels.
Starting point is 00:42:32 Late breaking F1 everywhere. And as Sam likes to mention, the everywhere is not in the tag. And let us know in Discord as well. We'll take our second break. On the other side, we've got Alonzo and some comments from him. Oh, Alonso. Well, the day ends in white, which means Fernando Alonzo's got something to say.
Starting point is 00:43:06 And as usual, it is entertaining. We've actually got two quotes from him here. But I'm going to start with this one, which is talking about his situation and how that relates to the 2025 driver market. He says, I'm aware of my situation, which is very unique. There are only three world champions on the grid and fast world. world champions because in the past, maybe there were some world champions where they were not so committed to be fast. I'm probably the only one available for 2025, so I have a good position,
Starting point is 00:43:32 but at the same time, when I make the decision if I want to keep racing or not for the future, an only talk that I will have at the beginning is with Aster Martin because they will be my only one priority. Interesting comments, as usual, Harry. Firstly, insinuating that there have been some drivers on the grid recently that have been world champions that have not been committed to being fast. Only Fernando Alonzo would say that. It's Fernando Alonzo has been like in hibernation during the winter and then it got to launch day on Monday and they've obviously, he's had interviews and stuff about the new year and he's just been like storing up these little quotes all over the winter. He's just like, I'm going to drop all now. Boom, boom, boom. Because there's other ones later on,
Starting point is 00:44:15 isn't there about, about age, you know, about he could be driving when he's 50. and all that. So we'll get to those. We will get to them. Firstly, who you're implying? What world champion is not committed to being fast? Who? Like, Sebastian Battle, is that you going for?
Starting point is 00:44:33 Or Louis Amble? Definitely Kimmy Ryck. It's definitely Kimmy. Yeah, maybe Kimmy. That was my first four. I love it. Spicy, spicy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:44 Go on, Fernando. I forgot what was the second bit of the quote. I've got. I mean, I guess them, yeah. Main part of the quote was he's the only champion available for 2020. Oh, yeah, sorry. Is this billboard material? Billboard material.
Starting point is 00:45:00 Honestly, the confidence, self-confidence that man has is, I'd like a little dose of it. And that would be enough because it's just unreal. Look, he's, Alonzo's been in the game long enough. He knows there could be a chance that he could get a seat of Mercedes. It's not quite the same as it was, I guess, a few years ago. it's still very sought-after seat, no doubt. And who knows how this year will go. But he's just throwing the feelers out there.
Starting point is 00:45:28 And, you know, he's not saying he's always made the best decisions in terms of teams. But he knows the game now. He's played the game long enough. And it's more of it. He's throwing his hat into the ring for the Mercedes. But he's also saying to, like, I ask him, Martin, like, you know, keep an army. I'm not just sticking around forever.
Starting point is 00:45:53 Love it. Love it from Fernando. There aren't many people that could do that. You know the other day when Estabon- tried to be a bit subtle and say, oh yeah, I've got close ties to Mercedes. No, Esteban. This is how you do it, son.
Starting point is 00:46:05 This is how you throw your hat in the ring. You just do it. Be more Fernando Alonzo and be bold and outlandish. Yeah, I love it. The first thing I have written down on my piece of paper here is Fernando Alonzo has seen Esteban Ocon's billboard and thought, I know where to put mine and puts it right in front of Esteban Ocons. That's about as accurate description as I can say for what he said here.
Starting point is 00:46:30 Sam, what are your thoughts on this quote? I mean, contract negotiations for Fernando Alonso is kind of like the Takeshi Castle's door challenge and each team is either a door that will open when he runs at it or a door that is very firmly closed. And the doors that are very firmly closed are starting to gather in. numbers and the pathway to the clean walkout at the end rather than falling into the dirty pond on the other sides is either Mercedes or he's got a hope that Ashton Martin turn around an absolute glory of a car in the next year or so. And I think he's aiming to work
Starting point is 00:47:03 through the maze and get himself that Mercedes thing. You're right, he is literally plastic Desmond Okong's advert with some PVA glue and he's literally pushed his own face over the top of it and gone, look, I'm a world champion and I can still do this when I'm going, I'll be 50 years old, which is something we'll get on to later. But the guy wants to win. It's in his blood. You cut him and he bleeds victory. I mean, there's no, it's no shock that all he wants to do is get to the very, very top.
Starting point is 00:47:29 And, number one, his heart is Fernando Alonso. He puts himself out there. I even think he did it in a respectful way. I still think he has a lot of time and care for Ascom Martin. I do think that as long as the car continues to develop and he gets good treatment, which by the looks for it, he currently is, there's no reason why he wouldn't be very, very happy there. But you'd be a fool to thinking Formula One
Starting point is 00:47:50 that every driver doesn't want one of the best seats going. And currently, that Mercedes seat is better than that Aston Martin seat. Might be different at the end of the year. We don't know. But it's got every right to tear around to go. If they come talking and there's an offer there, I might be interested. Remind me, Sam, because I can't remember.
Starting point is 00:48:07 Who hosted Takeshi's Castle? I think it was Craig Charles. Sorry. Couldn't resist. Come on, Ben. You're better than that, mate. I couldn't resist. I tried.
Starting point is 00:48:21 Not very long, but I did try. Yeah, this is absolutely Fernando Alonzo going, hello, I'm here. Max Verstappen probably isn't going anywhere from Red Bull. Lewis Hamilton's just signed for Ferrari. You want a world champion? I am literally the only one. Nico Rosberg maybe heard that and is coming out of retirement.
Starting point is 00:48:40 Maybe Mika Hakenen is coming back from his sabbatical. But unless either of those two things happen, Fernando Alonzo will be the only available world champion for 2025. And look, he's proven the last few years, man still got it. And he would be a valuable asset to Sony Aston Martin, but many other teams, including Mercedes. And it is such a clear message.
Starting point is 00:49:01 And I completely agree with what you said, Harry, in that it's not just a clear message to Mercedes and other potential suitors. It is a clear message for Aston Martin as well. And I think he does do this in a respectful way, where he would very much like to complete this project. he says about all of the facilities that Aston Martin have and how they've made great progress and he's very respectful in that manner.
Starting point is 00:49:22 And I think if he can finish the story at Aston Martin, he will absolutely do so. But this is him very fairly and fairly saying, it's on you. If you can produce the car, if you can produce a season long challenge, I'm here. I'll be your driver and I'll get it done.
Starting point is 00:49:42 But equally, if you can't show me that progress, and another team can, I will go off. And look, we've said it multiple times. This is what we want from drivers. We want drivers to be bold and to be brash and to understand their value. We have said the same thing about the likes of LeCler and Norris, who have gone on to sign multi-year contract extensions at their team. And we've questioned, why not back yourself a little bit to, I don't know,
Starting point is 00:50:11 make it a bit sweatier towards the end of your contract to make a decision. here Alonzo is very aware. He is very, very aware of what value he holds in Formula One. And he's backing himself, which I think is the right thing to do as a driver. So I don't blame him for this at all. And yeah, it's interesting to see how much longer he might be an F1, which brings us very nicely onto the second part of this quote, which is to say a few years ago,
Starting point is 00:50:39 I would say that maybe 42 or 41 was the limit, of course talking about age in the sport. now after I saw myself last year motivated and performing well, I was thinking maybe that I can keep racing for a few more years now. This winter I've been exceeding a little bit the expectations in terms of all the physical tests and everything that I did. So I would say that if you are motivated, if you want to commit,
Starting point is 00:51:02 you can drive maybe until 48 or 49 or whatever, even 50. Harry. Oh, man. Do you know what this? I know it wasn't real. It was more of a meme, but this reminds me of a certain American president who got coronavirus and then tweeted afterwards, I'm feeling much better. The doctor said they never seen a body kill the coronavirus like mine.
Starting point is 00:51:27 They said my body was made to kill viruses. They tested my DNA. And they said it wasn't DNA. It was USA. This is Fernando Alonzo. This is Fernando Alonzo. Again, folks, I know that's not real. But it's just like he's had some medical tests.
Starting point is 00:51:43 and they've probably come back like, okay, normal. He's like, I could do this forever. I am invincible and I'm a superhero and I'm the best. It's, oh, again, the self-confidence of this man. It's just glorious. I love it. And, I mean, really, could he be there? We joke about this.
Starting point is 00:52:03 And then I always think this, we joke about it. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, he could be there to his 50. But then I'm like, he could be there to these 50. So a part of me genuinely believes. He could just keep going until they have to drag him away. Like, Fernando, when you're not, you're not allowed to get in a car anymore, mate. Yeah, but I'm, I'm only 86. Now, come on.
Starting point is 00:52:23 Come on, come on, Fernando. Yeah, it's, clearly there are, um, there are, he's still really fit. Uh, the speed is still there. I guess it is the motivation. But, but I don't, he's just, he's motivated all the time, like all the time. he's motivated to do everything in his life he's motivated to do go to sleep i'm motivated to do that sleep like everything he does everything he did over the winter all of the series he did over the winter right
Starting point is 00:52:54 yeah exactly like it just it just won't stop so him saying it just depends with the motivations there i don't think that's going to be the problem mate uh so yeah maybe he will be here for a long more but it's just classic that's what i mean he was just been building up over the winter like writing them down I'm like, oh, I say singer. I'll save that one for when we get to preseason. Yeah, great stuff, Fernando. I agree with you in that I think the motivation will still be there. I think the only question is whether it's still in the sphere of F1,
Starting point is 00:53:29 because that competitive spirit will not go away. I'm pretty confident in saying. I think the question is, if he doesn't think he can win an F1 in five years time, or if the team he's with can't win in five years time and he can't go any. were better, it'll go and win an Indy car, won't it? Or it'll go and win somewhere else. I don't think he's going to go away from racing by the age of 50, is my guess. It's just a question of whether that's in F1 or not.
Starting point is 00:53:55 What did you make of this quote, son? Yeah, Harry, you're exactly right that when they do a DNA test, it's not DNA, it's WDCs. And, you know, the guy is just built different. Literally, the expression built different is Fernando Alonso. I honestly think that it will be his body that gives out first, not his attitude, it won't be his ability. He'll know, he will know when that time comes. There's, of course, that crazy theory
Starting point is 00:54:21 that when he had that accident in Australia where the car dig about four barrel rolls and went into the barriers, that he had some memory loss and believes he's actually about 12 years younger than he actually is, which is a really interesting theory that you should go and look up,
Starting point is 00:54:38 and he's still behaving like he's in his early 30s, not his now coming to mid-40s. The guy is supreme. Even if he's not the absolute best on the grid, he's probably still in the top 5% of drivers worldwide. The talent he holds is supreme. And I do think that I think he can still be comfortably competitive and nowhere near the bottom half of the grid
Starting point is 00:54:58 for at least the next three or four seasons. And that takes him to 46, 47. So why not go to 50? If he makes it to 50, I don't know. It puts us a shame because he's got more effort and energy to do that at 200 miles an hour than I do sometimes to walk down the road and get a coffee.
Starting point is 00:55:15 Honestly, it is incredible just how motivating he is. So there's a little part of me that wonders if he's just a brilliant comedian and it's just another zinger from Fernando also. But equally, you know he will be there at 50 if his body allows him to be there at 50.
Starting point is 00:55:29 So fair play to you, Fernando. He never stops, never stop him. I know you mentioned this. It would be a red, sorry, Ben. I know you mentioned already, but I would, and I maintain this when he retired the first time or went away for the first time. I'd love to see him to do a four season
Starting point is 00:55:43 of Indy car, like a whole season. I think it would be... It would be glorious. It would be so good. Top team. Get him in an Andretti, maybe. Because if you haven't heard, they're quite competitive.
Starting point is 00:55:57 No, come on. We've ranted enough. I wouldn't read into that. No. If he makes it to 50, it would be a ridiculous achievement in modern F1 because it wouldn't be a first
Starting point is 00:56:10 in that we have had drivers who have been 50 in their early 50s in F1. before, but you do have to go back to the 1950s to find those drivers. In modern F1 terms, it would be a remarkable achievement. And again, I think this is a message to other teams, because if you're Mercedes or another team like Mercedes, who might be considering him, what is your number one fear going
Starting point is 00:56:32 to be his age, right? Is he got two more years left? Does he got one more year left? Has he got three more years left, maybe? This is him saying, eh, give me the right car. I'll stay motivated. If I stay motivated, I'll be here for as many years as you won. So I think this actually goes almost like hand in hand with the first part of the quote.
Starting point is 00:56:53 This is part of his advertisement to say, look, you give me a good car. You can put those other worries to rest because I still feel good. My medical records are off the charts. So yeah, I think this is all part of the ad. There's a new rule in Formula 2. and Formula 3 this year that we wanted to touch on, which is if you bring out a red flag in qualifying, and it is solely your fault,
Starting point is 00:57:24 you could lose your best lap time in the session. Sam, do you think that this, first, do you think is a good idea? And secondly, do you think it should be looked at as being implemented for F1 in 2025? This is a really strange one, because I don't know if I'm having deja vu, or it's a dream I once had,
Starting point is 00:57:43 but I'm pretty certain that a podcast has come out and said that implementing a rule where if you cause a reg flag, you lose your best lap time in the session, has been discussed before. And now it's being implemented into the real world. So I don't know what's going on there, but quite frankly, I think it's a fantastic idea. And I do think there should be a punishment for causing a reg flag,
Starting point is 00:58:03 especially in the case of you could possibly rejoin if you are able to bring the car back to the pit lane, get your car sorted. Of course, reg flags don't just have to be for car damage. They could be for barrier damage. They could be for track damage. itself. We could have issues where, you know, the, um, the grate gets blown off and, hey, you might damage your car underneath. But if it is you and entirely you that's caused this,
Starting point is 00:58:25 there should be a punishment. It shouldn't be you get free time to go ahead and fix whatever you happened on your go again. A couple of recent examples where this has happened, for example, is street circuits running that last lap. Ferrari are a big one to blame on this. Both Carlos science and Charlotte Claire around Monaco and Baku running their final lap, cause a red flag and a Ferrari car ends up on pole position because others aren't able to complete lap times. It needs to have a punishment that comes along with it. You should be put to the back of the session. If you cause it in Q3, you should go to 10th place.
Starting point is 00:58:55 If you cause it in Q1, you should start last. I really do think that it needs to be severe. I gather they're bringing it into the junior formulas, and I hope we do see it in Formula 1. Harry, do you want to see this being implemented? Yeah, I do. Like Sam's already mentioned very subtly there that we might have talked about this before. But it almost feels like...
Starting point is 00:59:14 Oh, is that what you again? Man. I know. Okay. Suttal as a sledgehammer, Sam Sage. Don't they call me. The subtle sledgehammer. Look, it's, it feels like a bit of a precursor this.
Starting point is 00:59:28 They're like testing this out now in F2 and F3 to see if it were, if they like it. I agree. Just if you, you should be punished, if you crash out and cause a red flag on your last. And then this kind of really only applies for,
Starting point is 00:59:44 or where we've seen. we've seen it the most and discussed it the most is like, as you've mentioned, Sam, where Lecler inevitably bins it at the end of the session. No, that was harsh. I didn't mean that. But those sorts of things at the end of Q3 and it ruins the laps of everyone else.
Starting point is 01:00:02 You should be punished in the same way that if you crashed out the beginning of Q3, it's a punishment because you haven't set a time or you're going to start 10th or whatever. There should still be a punishment. It shouldn't hold on to your lap time because no one else could, beat it because you're in the wall.
Starting point is 01:00:19 I like this rule. I'm interested to see how it goes in F2 and F3 and yeah, bring it to F1. Yeah, three out of three. This should be implemented F1 as well. Obviously, IndyCar already implements this rule mostly.
Starting point is 01:00:35 So, why should bring it out a red flag go unpunished? You've made an error that is directly cost at least one other driver. That should be punished. you know, elite of F1, pinnacle of F1, all that. It needs to be reflected in the rules as well.
Starting point is 01:00:52 And this would, this would be a good improvement, I think. You mentioned LeClau, sort of jokingly, but we've had a couple of instances in the last few years at Monaco where this sort of thing, I think, should be implemented. And, I mean, the red flags is more obvious, I guess, but I'd have this for yellow flags as well, because regardless of whether you're, you know, if you bring out a flag and the driver behind,
Starting point is 01:01:16 you has to slow down by two seconds, that is as much as your lap ruined as a red flag is, right? Because if you're two seconds slower, that's as good as your lap being gone in F1, with it being so close between first to 20th of nowadays, sorry, first to 18th and then Hockenberg and Magnuson. But it's, I,
Starting point is 01:01:36 yeah, sorry, Haas, that was unnecessary. I gave you a compliment at the beginning of the episode, sorry to balance it out. Yeah, I just think I'd have this implemented for red and yellow flag, but at least a red flag, that would be a step in the right direction. We all agree.
Starting point is 01:01:52 It's been a lot of agreeing recently in our world of F1 over here, isn't there? Teammate walls close, a lot of similar to ping the liveries. I don't like it. Something needs to give. We'll find out what that is in this next short break on the other side.
Starting point is 01:02:13 Show me the options. Wee. Have no jingle. That's a jingle there. Okay, everyone. It's time to show me the options. Yay! It probably needs more context than that, doesn't it?
Starting point is 01:02:50 It's the second time we played this. Show me the option. So, first of all, you'll be glad there are six questions and not eight today. Yay! We! I know. Good news keeps rolling in. So show me.
Starting point is 01:03:04 the options works like this. Six questions. Sam and Harry will take it in turns to pick a number between one and six. They can either have a go at answering the question as soon as they hear it, in which case they get it right. They get two points. Get it wrong. You get nothing. However, if you're a little bit unsure and you think three multiple choice options would help you out, you can say those four magic words, show me the options and I will give you three possible answers, one of which of course is correct. If you get that right, you get one point. So, Sam, what number would you like? I'll have number two, please, Ben.
Starting point is 01:03:41 Okay. Johnny Herbert won a dramatic 1999 European Grand Prix, his last win in the sport. But who got their first podium at that race? I'm going to ask you to show me my options. Okay, your options are A, Ralph Schumacher, B, Ricardo, and C, Yarno Trilly. Ah, that hasn't helped me at all, Ben. I'd like you to show me my other...
Starting point is 01:04:20 I'm joking. More options. Limit it down to two options. I will have Ralph Schumacher for this one. it's not Ralph Schumacher. He did have a good race. He finished fourth, but he had already had some podiums by that point. He had six of them prior to that.
Starting point is 01:04:43 Ricardo Zonter never had a podium, so it wasn't him. It was Yarno Trulley, who had his first ever podium. Just about held off Rubens Barakello for second place. Harry, what number would you like? Number four, please. Number four. at what circuit did Kimmy Reichenen
Starting point is 01:05:05 win his first race You can do it Malaysia The Sapang one What's it called Sepang International Circuit Yes Yes
Starting point is 01:05:17 I was just going to be cruel And say no it's not Malaysia It's Sapang But yes you are right Ha Got there before you Punk Well done
Starting point is 01:05:26 That that told me Back to you Sam, what number would you like? I'll have number five, please, Ben. Okay, number five. Who has scored the most points for McLaren? Whatever. Ever.
Starting point is 01:05:45 Who scored the most points for McLaren? Like, forever, ever. That was a Landon Morris. Forever, ever. Speaking of Landon Norris. I'm going to say Landon Gores. Oh, he's gone for it. No, I'm afraid not.
Starting point is 01:06:06 He was actually one of the three options I'd have given you. That's all right, then. He is fairly high up the list, 6333 points at the moment. For the record, one of the other options I'd have given you was DC, but he was further back on 412. The top two are very close. It's Lewis Hamilton and Jensen Button. Lewis Hamilton pips it by five points, 913.
Starting point is 01:06:30 Always said that over the seasons they were there together, he scored more points. Again, more therapy for Sam. Get it in there quickly. Just lies. Eternal lies. Harry, back to you with a 2-0 lead. What number do you like? Number one, please.
Starting point is 01:06:50 Number one. Who was the first French driver to win his home race? I don't know. Show me the options. We! We! Okay. Every time.
Starting point is 01:07:07 A. Jean P. Yeah. Jabwee. Jabui. Jabwe as he's more commonly know. Olivier Pannis and Alan Prost. Jabui? Jabui?
Starting point is 01:07:26 Hey, Jabui. Good effort. Three or six, Sam. What would you like? Oh, baby. It's three. Shreda, bro. Okay.
Starting point is 01:07:42 Question number three. Imala. Estiril and Adelaide are all corners on what circuit? Oh, I thought you were going to say that they are all race tracks. I was like, yes, they are. What are options be? I don't know. Shops.
Starting point is 01:08:01 Imola Estiril and Agalade are all corners where I know. It's going to annoy me. I don't want to show you my options. I've already lost, but I'd like to get one right. And it's going to bug me. Is it Horat? It's not her. You're not far off the right part of the world,
Starting point is 01:08:22 and you are right thinking of a circuit that is no longer on the calendar. It is, Harry? Magi-Corps? Magi-Corps, yeah. I think nearly all of them, all of the corners are named after other circuits. So I gave you three, but there were some other ones that are also included there.
Starting point is 01:08:47 Which means, Harry, what number would you like? Three. Is that one left? No, just in that one, mate. Oh, right. Okay. Immer Estiril and Adelaide. I didn't listen.
Starting point is 01:09:02 What's left? You can have number six or number six. Oh, okay. Have number six then, please. Sorry about that, folks. Where was the first Formula One race held in 1950? Silverstone. It was held.
Starting point is 01:09:21 Apart from Jabuie. Yeah. I mean, it would have been easier if I just reread question three to him, I guess. What's that? Well done, Harry. Oh, true is me. I think a lot better on that one,
Starting point is 01:09:37 then we did on the last one. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, true. I'll tell you, before we go, before I hand over to Sam to get us out of here, there is one more bit of housekeeping that I need to do. I promised that we were very close to 1,000 reviews,
Starting point is 01:09:52 and that whoever had the 1,000th review was going to get their review said aloud. So I have to follow through on that. If you'd like to leave a five-star review as well, we'd really appreciate it, much like many of you did after the last time we asked. So thank you, all of you. But we will read out one, and it's from the captain. Captain of where? Captain of what?
Starting point is 01:10:14 No idea. But it's from the captain who says the following. the title of the review is, this is a very important. And then the review itself is, review, full stop. We all love the mummers. That is so late breaking.
Starting point is 01:10:32 Perfect, 1000th review. Perfect. Thank you, Captain. Appreciate it a lot and appreciate all the other reviews that have come in recently. It is so, so appreciated from all three of us. And if you'd like to leave one of your own spot, Spotify, Apple, wherever you're listening. Really, really appreciate it.
Starting point is 01:10:51 Sam, you can get us out of here now. Thank you to the captain of the mamas. We appreciate that massively. Yeah, linking the scrippies for all of the things. Or you can follow us on Late Breaking at Late Breaking F1. That is everywhere. It's not in the tag. Also on YouTube, this is being filmed.
Starting point is 01:11:05 We have lights. We look a bit pretty, to quote a favorite film of ours as a team. Also, if you'd like showing Patreon, there's lots of benefits. And as Harry, as you probably thinks it's, how much, Harry? How much you think it is? Do you know what? For all that content, I reckon it's probably somewhere in the region of about £100 a month. I wish it was.
Starting point is 01:11:24 You make so much money. But actually, it's literally like a cup of coffee you could buy once a month. Shut the front door. That's insane. Honestly, incredible value for money. And it helps us out massively. So if you'd like to think about it, the links down there and you get like six extra episodes, whatever I've made that out. But it's a good value.
Starting point is 01:11:43 You get a birthday shoutout at the top team, which we'll be doing next week at some point as well. you February babies. That's it from us. In the meantime, I've been Samuel Sage. I've been Ben Hocking. And I've been Harry Eats. And remember, keep breaking late. Ah, pimp my F1 done for another year.
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