The Late Braking F1 Podcast - Best of Late Braking 2025: Part 1

Episode Date: December 29, 2025

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Visit unsmoke.ca. Thank you for listening to the late-breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to check out new episodes every Wednesday and every Sunday. Hello, everyone, at No Escaping LB still. We're still here. I hope you had a wonderful Christmas day if you were celebrating it. And we are now in this weird face, and between Christmas. a new year. Yes, you might be fat from a festive feast. You might be fed up of your family, but we are still hearing neshold inside your ears in this strange in between time that sits

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Hello and a very warm welcome to the late breaking F1 podcast presented by Harry Ead, Sam Sage, and me, Ben Hocking here for your first regular Wednesday episode of the year. still in January anything else, Sam? Do you think if you did the ink crew the other way around it would throw you off for the whole episode?

How did you mean the other way around? Hosted by Samuel Sage, Harry Ead and me, Ben Hawking, or hosted by me, Ben Hawking, Samuel said, do you think if you ever vary up the names? It's messed up with my brain. You just can't work it out. I don't know which way the right one is now.

It's not three people, it's one person that has six names. It's just, Six games all risked off in a random order. Right, sure, yeah. Oh, good. Great. I'm going to be overthinking doing the outro now.

And I've been... I'm fucking, I don't know. I'm each age. It's like the impersonation episode all over again. Let's never speak of that. We are never going back. We'll never win another award because we can never outdo that promise. We will never go for another award.

Yeah, we've got a one-of-one victory rate. I'll never spoil it back. 100%. 100%. That's how we live our lives. Should we move on to Mohamed bin Siliyam? How did you write him on the schedule, Ben? Sorry, let me rephrase. Mohammed Ben Silly man.

Oh, good one. Yeah. The FIA president, of course, Mohamed Ben Suleum has delivered an attack on the media. Ben Suleum has repeated claims that he feels he has been unfairly criticized by the media. He said, three years of critics against me. Do I care?

Was I elected to listen to the media? No. I like the good media, the positive media. And maybe I made a mistake and you can come and criticize me in an objective way. When asked about being treated unfairly, he said, unfair, but the world is unfair. Saudi Arabia has reinvested a lot. Bring them into it for a reason. Why?

Pull that out of the bag. Is he able to make sentences based on words he's pulling out of a bag? I thought I'd written it down wrong. Did you know that's it? You look at some of the British media and they go against Saudi Arabia or me. But one thing I would say, go on and see the British Grand Prix.

Is it the British Grand Prix? No. It is the Qatar Airways British Grand Prix. That's not Saudi Arabia! Please, you remove the budget. You remove the money. Sam, what a line? My initial question to you, Sam,

was going to be, do you agree or disagree? But I'm going to change my question. Can you tell me what he means? I was going to say, if you ask me, do I agree? The first words out of my mouth were going to be, with what? What is he saying? Can we go back and revisit the Shut Up Award for the LBs?

Because he's earned it already. A two-time champ coming here. Already done. Done, done, done. Norris is tearing out for the fight. That man is undefeated. It's so contradictory. It's so up and down.

Do I choose to listen to them? Was I employed to listen to the media? No, but you very clearly do because you do not stop talking about the media you get constantly, constant gnatta, yapper, yappa, yapa, yapper, thanks a Liam. Yeah, shut it, please. Shut your mouth. You are moving like a rat, okay?

I'm sick of hearing your name in the news. I'm sick of hearing your name in the press. British media are famous for being ruthless. They are horrible. as in terms of what they will go to, the links I'll go to, to get a story. Famously, you know, the 90s, standing outside people's houses, taking photos through windows, right? They will go above and beyond for a story.

We are one tiny nation in the whole globe. And yet you seem to focus all of your press releases on this one media outlet, just do your job well. And then you will get good media, positive media. You'll get constructive criticism, but you seem to not only not do your job. You seem to do your job back. and then you seem to talk about other people

instead of doing your job constantly. And then for some reason, you brought up Saudi Arabia into this, which has got no relevance at all. It has reinvested a lot. Yeah, great, brilliant. Well done to Saudi Arabia. Not relevant.

And then you think of Saudi Arabia and Qatar and the same nation, again, not, not that. Also, if Qatar stopped being the sponsor of the British Grand Prix, there would be another sponsor. Fine another one. Final one. They'd be Q in that. Yeah, like breaking Silverstone Grand Prix.

We're right here. We can offer no money, but we'll do it. We'll do a comedy spit at the start of the season. It will be bad, but we'll try. Nonetheless, if every Middle East and company pulled out of backing the British Grand Prix, I can assure you that someone with a lot of money will turn around and go, here's a check, put my name on the start of it, because it is the most fantastic spectacle of Formula One.

So, why jenekin, stop being a silly man and just do you, job for once. You used to be called the Foster's British Grand Prix. Anyone will sponsor it. Doesn't matter. And we'll take anyone. Yeah.

We're British. We don't care. Harry, direct quote from you. Please can we talk about this on Sunday's app? I'm going to assume you have some thoughts on this. I couldn't believe. So I saw this game up in a Twitter.

He was autosport that reported it. And it said, Mohammed Ben Suleim has said some cryptic. cryptic message. And I was like, oh, I wonder what he said. And when I, nothing could have prepared me for what this quote was. Okay, as you said, Sam, the do I care? No. Well, you clearly do, my guy. You clearly do because you're talking to the media now saying how you don't care. It's like when you're a child and you like, you try to pretend you're not tired or grumpy. I'm not, I'm not tired.

I'm not. Yes, you are. Then your child, you're grumpy. You need to go to. that alone was ridiculous that i like the good media is you know basically autocratic but why can we only have what do you mean by good media the ones that are nice to you that's not how this works if you want them to be nice to you don't do stupid things don't say stupid things can a sake this also and again i don't know whether we're missing context here this is from the dachar rally he's being spoken to here where is the context for this. He's clearly just got... I don't think there is any.

He's just annoyed over the Christmas break and he's like, I really need to say something. Because what, no one's provoked him to say this. As he said, wind your neck in Sam. Well, why are you coming out and slating the media for no reason here? You're at the Dakar rally represented. You are the FIA president.

Just shut it. The world is unfair. Yes, the world is unfair. Saudi Arabia has reinvested a lot. I do not. I cannot for the life for me understand what he means here. He can't keep up his own thought process. He wanted to make two points.

Media sucks, and I like Saudi Arabia. I need to get this into one quote, one quotable sentence for them to write down. That alone is bizarre. And I don't know what he's trying to say here. He clinton doesn't like the British media, is the idea. Or gave that away. Yeah.

You can come on the show? He was, Ben. I don't think I'd have him about the show. We wouldn't know what you're saying. It'd be nonsense. It's bad. You're bad. Yeah, I don't, whether he likes the Saudi Arabian medium or maybe is what his point is here, but I'm, I'm unsure.

And the, the budget thing about the British Grand Prix is just absolute nonsense. As you said, Sam, they'll find another sponsor. if Qatar was removed. They've had plenty over the years. I don't really know what its point is. And the final concluding line, what do you mean? You remove the budget,

you remove the money. That is quite literally what's how that works. What do you mean by this? You remove the sentence, you remove the words. Like, yeah? But it's the, this is the quote,

please, you remove the budget, you remove the money. Please what? What do you mean? What do you mean? I think he's got a valid point here because when you think about it,

Saudi Arabia has reinvested. Oh, for God's sake. Also reinvested. Would it not just be invested? Because what are they reinvested? That's a bit of this you're picking on. I'm picking on all of it because it's complete rubbish.

It's all nonsense. State of this quote. Oh, goodness me. Well, the good news is both of you have pretty much gone through 90% of my thoughts on this quote, but I'm going to say it anyway. It is difficult to agree or disagree with him because that involves knowing what the hell

he's talking about, and I don't. So the easiest way is to just break this down into individual quotes and hope they make more sense. And to be honest, they still don't. As you said, Harry, three years of critics against me, do I care? Don't know, mate. Kind of sounds like you do. You cover forward every month saying how you don't care what the media thinks.

to the media I think you do I like the good media the positive media and you know what I apologise that's my bad because I thought it was

entrepreneurial to go after Susie Wolfe and Toto Rolf for collusion based on an unverified account article in a in an F1 magazine yes that's a

when you start to reframe things actually you do start to become more positive about them. And the real kicker for me was you look at some of the British media and they go against Saudi Arabia or me, go and see the British GP. It's the Qatar Airways British GP. Now, I have consulted with industry experts on this. I've done hours of extensive research and I've concluded the Qatar Airways is actually based in the Qatar Airways Tower in Doha, which is in Qatar, not Saudi Arabia.

So I'm not quite sure where he's getting that from. Also, like, yes, they're sponsoring three races this year, Qatar Airways. MSC cruises is doing the same thing. Does that mean we should all be massively thanking Switzerland? Like, I mean, you're having a cruise line where you're in Switzerland as well. It's just ridiculous. Our good friend Lucas would say yes. True.

With a ukulele probably shout out to Bill. Lenovo they're doing two races as a title sponsor this year from China let's all get a laptop two races are being done by Heineken let's all have a beer what's the point do you mean I don't know but I did have a rethink about all of that okay

some of it does make sense when you think about the fact that Saudi Arabia has reinvested quite a lot God's sake Unfair but the world is unfair Saudi Arabia has a reinvested a lot As a sentence He answers his own question by going Why do I get all this negative media?

It's unfair, yep the world's unfair So you've just proving your own point Get on with your day job, mate We are as always very interested to hear from your listeners wherever on social media on Discord for all of our topics but particularly that one,

because if you disagree with our thoughts and agree with Mohamed Ben Suleim, I'd like to know why. If you can tell us what he means. Yeah. Also write in. Get on Google Translate. Very helpful.

Williams are up next. One of the more intriguing teammate battles, I think, on the grid. Alex Albin, of course, still there from last season, but he is now joined by Carlos Sines. A point that we've made a few times on the podcast, this feels like Alex Albin's tough. his test by a long way since he was teammates with the Stappan at Red Bull. Signs, this will be a bit of a downgrade, you would think, in terms of the car he's got

his disposal. Harry, who have you got winning? I have Carlos Sines winning this one. And you're right, it was a tough choice. I think the beginning of the year you could see Albon have the upper hand, but you get to maybe the halfway mark and Carlos Sines fully gets ingrained in that team. and I think he'll start to edge back in front so I think it'll be a close run thing

but I'm going for signs just given I think given what we know about signs and where his form has been as of the past couple of years particularly last year and the unknowns really around Albon's performance because his teammates have been Latifie sergeant and then call up into who gave him a bit of headache

so and sizes have been Norris and Lecler like yeah Slightly different levels of talent there. So, yeah, I'm going for sides on this one, but I do think it'll be close. Sam, I actually have got a more important question before we're asking you. What do we think of Carbono?

I vomit a little bit into my mouth every time you say it. I think Harry loves it. Oh, I didn't. You just took me on the words. I didn't think you were going to say out aloud. Just trying to hold down the sick. Quite lucky that I haven't had a proper breakfast, actually. You know, because this microphone would.

Why do we have to have names of drivers that are going together? Oh, Bono or Bearcon? I'm going to kill myself. Yeah, honestly, I'm going to kill myself. Why are we shipping drivers like this? No, not to. Just call them their names. They are just two adult men.

Just talk about them normally. Bearcon. Bearcon. Let me just tell them a bear con. I haven't made that up, by the way, Hass are actually using that. Have you seen Ocon's released a T-show that's Ocontour? You mean? My man.

Movie star Estaband Okon. The teammate Crasher It's got on Tongue out More important matters Science or Alman Smooth

Operator Going Alex Alman Carlos Sikes has famously adapted really well every single time he has moved team When he moved to

Rango he was immediately competitive When he then moved to McLaren He was very quickly a team leader And settled very very strongly And then when he went to Ferrari he was an immediate competition for Lecler, very, very close.

And, of course, beat him one year whilst at Ferrari. I do think that he will, again, adjust very quickly to Williams. I much think the same as Harry that Albonne at the start, but the first three or four races might have that initial slight upper hand. I don't think it'll be too massive. But over the course of the season, Carlos Sainz is fantastically consistent. He is never the outmost quickest driver on the grid. He never destroys people with outright paces we see from like a Lecler or a

of a Stappen or a Hamilton, but he just pulls results out consistently. And I do think that in a car like Williams where it's going to be very, very close and those opportunities might spring up, he will be the driver, I think, that can put out the points for Williams. So yeah, Carlos Sainz. Close by the end of the year? I think in terms of the out of points that that team's going to score, yes, it will be close, but I think that Sites will be the consistent front runner for the team.

So we're saying 24 races, how many times do you think Sines beats Albin? I'm going to say 14, 15 times. Yeah. I went against the grain on the first pick. I'm not doing it here. I'm going Carlos Sines. Okay. You are the grain.

You are the grain. No, there's a reference there, but we're not going down that path. No, we're not going down that path at all. You're right. Yeah, I'm going to go with Carlos Sines as well. As mentioned in the intro to this one, I am really intrigued as to how this one goes just based on the new teammate dynamics for Alex Albin. But also, when Carlos Sines was at for.

Ferrari, him and Charlerclair had very different ideas of what they'd like from a race car. So you know, Charler-Claher typically likes a very oversteery car. It's a pointy end. Yep. Carlos Seines likes understeering. Alex Albin has a very similar driving style to Shao LeClaer. So I wouldn't be surprised if we get something of a set-up war between them. I know it didn't really... The new show there. Set-up wars. T.M. I just think, yeah, with 2026 being very important for the team, both of these drivers are going to want to establish themselves as the number one driver heading into that year.

And if they've got different ideas of what they ideally want from the car, I'm not saying they won't get along, but it could just be a case of both of them want to make sure that development goes in their way rather than the other way. Do you think them living together is going to help anything? Oh, my God. I mean, they're basically siblings at this point. They're living together.

They live together in the moment. That's fake. What, do they? Science spoke about this in an interview. No, they live in the bunk beds. Famously. I think Alba rang and claimed the top bunk. Wow.

Maybe I should change my pick then. He's a top bunk guy. He is. Yeah. Science is too smooth. I'm a top bunk guy. I get excited. I don't call it.

Bottom bunk. You're such a bottom bunk. It's just easier, isn't it? I love going up. That is us two to a T. I get excited by there's being a ladder. You're like, can't be bothered. I know we've been looking for places to stay,

a place maybe in America. Maybe for something. There's a few with bum beds, maybe. Yeah, I know there's quite a bit with bunk bed. We both stay up forever and ever. And I got one climbing a ladder. To me, I've discarded any options with bunk beds,

but you're saying that I shouldn't do that. Maybe we should start calling you Ben bunk bed. I'm the only one that's not been in this discussion. Good stuff. Give me answer to Lally. Oh, it's me. Best case scenario, he is cast as baby Mario in the new Mario Luigi film. I mean, best case scenario, Mercedes knows who he is.

Oh, hello, it's a me. No, not Lewis Hamilton. How's it going? There's something different about you, Lewis. Oh, no, no. It's not a hair. You have to from a Stevenage. I love the idea that Kimmerty's going to go to a few inches

18 years old from Italy. I hope he gets his own parking space outside Astor. We have got some comments from the one and only us to Martin team principal, Mike Crack. What's it funny? Why is it still funny now?

It shouldn't be. It's something the cat said, obviously. Shuck Clives up, man. Ian. Absolute Joker over here. He was talking about their 2024 season

and this is what he had to say. We delivered below expectation so we cannot be happy with how our season went. We stayed in P5 but had the championship started in the summer, we would not have finished in P5.

So I think we all need to reflect on the season and see it very critically. The steps that we have brought to the car have not managed to improve the car and there is a little bit of parallel to last year, talking about 2023 in all of that. We have now two years in a row not really managed to improve

from where we started, but rather slipped back. I think it's a concern because if you've done that twice in a row, it's not a one-off. It's something you have to look at in your system. Then you have to be self-critical. Did we take the right decisions

at the right times? we've waited with maybe one or two steps until they are properly proven, or did we just rush into things because the pressure is high? So it is all questions that we have to ask ourselves. So you've got, Sam there, might be rather, I don't know, critical of the team and his role and being, I think, fairly honest with how the season has gone. Would you agree with his assessments? I would agree with his assessments.

I think he's been rightly critical. He's analysed the situation well. think he's aware of what Ashton Martin's weaknesses are, the good thing for Ashton Martin is that a solution is right around the corner by an old, bold man with the brain, the size of Jupiter, because that man can literally see how planets shift in the sky. But Adrian Becoming and alongside could finally get off from his shrine that he's got set up in the corner, I'm sure, of the factory. The long-term issue with Aston Martin, which I think Mike Crack does touch on. I was even meant to be funny.

It's a guy's name. Oh, I'm sorry, Mike. Mike crack is being very honest. Mike crack is being open here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The point he's touched on is that they don't fully realize a lot of their designs. And I think Astor Martin took a bit of a shortcut to success in terms of moving up to the

midfield quite quickly. You'll remember that when they were racing point back in 2019, they were dubbed the pink Mercedes, right? They famously copied a previous car design, almost piece for piece. And it looked almost identical to the championship winning car and Mercedes the year before. And then they went out and they hired a load of Red Bull personnel. And suddenly it looked like Red Bull design. were appearing on Aston Martin cars.

And it just feels like, I'm like a broken record on this, but it does feel like Aston Martin continually don't know what to do with their own car from innovative stance that it's fully realized. As you know, we have, we hear these engineers talk about how the cars in a certain development cycle and they get to the end of a certain cycle. So they go, right, we've got the most out. This one, we're going to take it and go in a different direction. I don't feel like Aston Martin have cycles.

I think they just have photographs of other cars and they go, that will work. Let's try that. And I say this all speculatively, so if any lawyers are listening, I ain't actually saying you're copying, by the way, but it does feel like once a Red Bull gets to dig a their cycle, you go, we'll have to wait for their own cycle to start before we know what to do with ours. And I think that's why they can never close the gap. So once Adrian Uri gets there, I do think we'll see a innovative, new, fresh focus, Gaston Martin. I mean, a blanket message for all lawyers, if you do ever want to come at anything Sam says, just make sure that you don't bring me in how. Harry down with

it's not late breaking it's very much Sam's individual comments views are his own enough if you agree with him then we're of the same opinion Harry what did you make of the comments here

yeah it's an interesting one because I think the other problem as to Martin have had are when they put upgrades on the car both both both the back end of this season

sorry, 2024 season and 2023 season in Austin they put upgrades on that did not work both times now which is bizarre

but you know we witnessed both of them and they were terrible did we? Or were you trying to hide us? But that's the other part of the problem. They may not be able to keep up

but when they put off grades on they've not worked or they've taken a long time to to work. So that's, I think that's one of the, maybe their bigger problem, to be honest. And, you know, I'm sure that's what Adrian Newe is looking at because there just hasn't seemed to be any continuity from that early peak performance for 2023.

And it's all sort of gone downhill from there. You know, beginning of 2024 as well, they weren't at the highs of 23, but they were certainly better off than they were at the back end of the 2024 season. certainly versus the middle so yeah it will be a concern but I think

the problem yeah problem lies in not in them being able to keep up I think it's they just don't seem to fully understand the concept of their of their car which I guess is what you're touching on Sam because when they put upgrades on they don't work so I guess that then you know you lose

confidence of what you're trying to do and whether you should put upgrades on cars in case it doesn't work a lot of that a lot of that will change where they do news arrival a lot of that will change with the the fat ph fat wind tunnel they've got now at silverston which they haven't had before obviously that takes a long time to calibrate but that will make a big big difference i think to their development cycles so i expect i expect

things to change um yes it will be a cause for concern for them but uh this is what they've been this is what lawrence stroll has been writing all the checks for basically so long checks A lot of checks. A lot of checks. I could call it a checklist. Nice. Thanks. He's being very honest and upfront, which I, and he's right with everything he's saying.

I appreciate him, him saying things that I agree with and not things like Lansstrol and Fernando Alonzo are the same driver. He's, he's right because he could frame this a completely different way and say, hey, look, 2024. We finished in the top half of the championship. and for the second straight year, we finished fifth. That wouldn't quite be telling the whole story because they achieved those fifth places in weirdly very similar and very different ways because in 2023, they walk away with 280 points.

Last season, 24, they only scored 94. And it was just the case of those other midfield teams, particularly early on, couldn't get their poo together, right? Like they just could not put together a... No, I was talking about Mike Crack, come on. Yeah, I thought that. Off the car, come on.

None of them could put together like what they needed to to actually for a full season catch Aston Martin and beat them because they were, let's face it, they were there for beating Aster Martin in that second half of the year

and none of them could quite step up to the plate. If Alpine had done the first 18 races of the year, maybe they would have had a chance but ultimately they didn't. Actually, I was looking back at this. Their seventh and eighth place finishes, Aster Martin, that they got as Silverstone.

that locked up fifth place. They didn't need another point after that. That got them the points they needed to finish fifth. So I think that just tells you how far, how important that first half of the season was to just distance themselves from any other midfield rivals, but also the top four in the championship, which is never really, never really there to catch

based on how slow the car was. And if you look at like how much of their points come from the first half of the year versus the second half of the year, it's pretty eerily similar between 23 and 24 at 23 66% of their points came in the first half of the year and last year it was 72% so it's quite similar in both years so it's something they need to they need to figure out and I guess the next question Sam is do they need to figure that out in 2025 even if it is not a year they're targeting to be that competitive

no is the answers to that question I don't think they need to figure it out entirely in 2020 I think they have so much coming their way that will knock up that change even more. It will throw things in the air and they'll have to work out how that all fits into place. Like Harry said, there's a big wind tunnel that's come their way and they've got... Not big. Fat. How did you spell that? P-H-A-T.

Thank you. Sorry, let me re-correct what I just said. There's a fat wind tunnel coming their way. And there's also a fat scientist coming their way with a pH at the start of that. Scientist. He's not fat. You've called Adrian Huey, old, bold and fat in the same conversation.

And he'll follow us on Instagram soon, I'm sure. Speaking to Sky Sports F1, Lawson said, it's just really tough, honestly. I think the window's really small, but honestly, it's not an excuse. As what he needs to improve, he said, it's just time. Unfortunately, I don't really have time.

Red Bull advisor, Helmut Marco, responded. He is right. I'm so sad That is so savage On Sonoda's form Marco told Autosport Yuki is a different Yuki from the years before

He is in the form of his life Obviously he changed his management He has a different approach He's more mature It took a while But it now looks like it's working After finishing 6th in the spring By the way

Sonoda was asked if he would swap seats For Suzuki And he replied Japan Yeah 100% I mean the red ball car is faster Is it Is it?

interesting comments all round. Yeah, there's a lot to break down there, isn't there? It's not as simple as you think it would be. This really is not an easy decision. For many other teams, you would be like, I don't know, I'd say, Carlos Sikes was suddenly asked, do you want to talk with Kimi, Anthony Ellie, join Mercedes? Or he'd be like, well, yeah, well, I'll probably do.

Makes total sense to me as a much faster car. This is not an easy choice. And the Red Bull Machine is now famous for eating up drivers and spitting them back out as fast as you like. so when you are proposed finally you know after proper like sloppy second so it was sloppy thirds at this point for Red Bull

Yuki Snola is right down the back of the pile to pass over by so many members of this team to finally get a chance to step into that seat and that car is finished pretty much lasting every single qualifying session and well off the points in every other actual race it's not a simple answer as just yes or no Yuki Snoda is having a fantastic year and a bit

now last season was a great step forward for Yuki Snoda he started this season brilliantly well but the problem isn't with the drivers Liam Lawson whilst I don't think was as good as

Yuki Sanoi when he went up against him was still very admirable still a good driver lots of skill and so well in Junior Formula he even quite sassily came out with a quote

and said you know I don't care about junior formulas are beating him in all of those anyway and well you know kind of factually that is true he did a great job in Super Formula did a great job with DTM

but the moment you get him in that Red Bull seat the car just doesn't work and it's not like this is just a Liam Lawson problem Sergio Perez, who we all rate so highly, struggled immensely in that seat. Alex Albon, who's gone on to be a brilliant driver for Williams now,

struggled in that seat. Pierre Gasley, who we rate is one of the highest members of that midfield pack, struggled in that seat. The problem is clearly not with the driver. It's clearly with the seat. It's clearly with this second side of Red Bull where the car is set up so definitively for Max Verstappen, where you clearly don't get a saying how the car is built.

It feels a little bit like career suicide at this point by making that job, by moving yourself, over to Red Bull, because if it goes even slightly wrong, not only do you no longer get to have a seat in the Red Bull team, there's a big chance you don't get a seat in Formula One at all, and you are kicked out in an instant. So I love that he's got the willpower and the thought process behind him to think, yeah, I'm good enough, I can do it.

But so has every other driver that's also going into that seat where they think they could do it. It's not as simple as it looks. Harry, should Red Bull make this switch? Big nose all round from me on this one. Look, what Lawson has done so far has been a solid one out of ten. It's not been a great start to the year, but you... Not a shaky one out of ten, a solid one out of ten.

No, no, very solid, not a bit shaky, it's solid. It's been, it's been poor and it cannot go on. But there is, you've got to add some caveats to this in that Lawson's never raced of these two first two circuits. Japan he has I think you at least give him that chance to prove himself at a circuit he has been at beforehand

in Super Formula as you mentioned Sam we've seen so many times that it's other second drivers that struggled when Perez even joined I know Perez Perez's Rebel career started actually pretty shakily went up in the middle and then went back down again

the first part wasn't good from him and it wasn't this bad but it wasn't great and they didn't get rid of him after two races you're right a rebel have a fundamental problem Ben's been ripped pieces on a Instagram post we did a while ago about this

but you're not exactly not for me but you're right they've got a fundamental problem here they've messed up and there's a really interesting clip doing the rounds which is actually from a little while ago

of Alex Albon on another podcast whose Christmas party we weirdly crashed but he's talking about how the car it's so sensitive that you can never match the speed he's doing and the more sensitive it gets the faster he goes and the slower you go. So there is a fundamental issue there

that it is set up so much around Verstappen which is obviously great for him and they need he's going to get the results more than the other driver I'm sure but for this is not helping Lawson as we saw on Sunday in China he put a completely different setup on that car and it went worse.

It went even worse than it did on the Saturday. And that as a point to be at is pretty bleak. Having said that, though, I just don't think this is not right, not fair. You've got to give him more time than two races. And that that is with the caveat that this has been a solid one out of ten for the first two races. It's not been great at all. But I just think you have to give him more time than two races. It's just simply unfair.

And as for Yuki, it's a cursed seat. do not go stay away this is insanity exactly what are we doing here he's done two races two and I look I didn't think he should have got a seat anyway I think it should have gone to Sonoda

and I haven't changed my opinion on that but why on earth are we discussing a switch after two Grand Prix like if you are Red Bull and you weren't if you can be swayed by two awful performance that Lawson's not your guy, you weren't that convinced to begin with. Because let's say, for example, Mercedes, Antonelli had delivered two really bad races to start this year.

Would there be any conversation at all if they're making a switch? They wouldn't because, whether he's right or wrong, Toto Wolf is convinced that Antonelli is the answer, he's the future, he's a real talent, and they would stick by him. Red Bull can't have had much conviction if they are already thinking about moving on, whether they do or not, it kind of doesn't really matter. They are considering it. And Christian Horner, at any point last weekend, could have turned around and gone, yeah, he's our driver for now.

Like, we're going to stick by him. We're going to work through all of this. And he's there talking about, I have a lot of sympathy for Liam Lawson and the media's putting a lot of pressure on him. You could very easily alleviate that pressure by just saying, we're not sacking our driver after two races, but he won't say it because they are considering it. I just think it's utter madness for Red Bull to expect anything else than what they're getting right now. They put a driver in their car that has done 12 races across two different seasons.

Oh, and he's not brilliant. What a shock! Of course he's not brilliant. That's why I don't think he should have been there to begin with. But if you're going to hire him, stick with him. At least give him a little bit of time. I just don't understand the logic at all. This team is a mess.

The downfall of Red Bull in a year needs to be studied because think back like 12 months ago. They are picking up from where they left off in 2023. They are winning races. They are winning races comfortably. In the space of 12 months, they've lost key personnel, they've lost all their performance, and apparently they've lost their heads as well.

I just don't even want to start on the audacity. of Helmut Marco saying he's a new Yuki Sonoda as well. Oh, man's been the same. Come on. Come on now. That man has been chatting absolute lamb for about two or three months now since this year started. He's on a mission to just wind everyone up in the middle of time.

No shame. No, he will just say anything. Just hold back. Have a filter. Please, Mark. Helmut, you absolute helmet. How aren't there more questions being asked of Horner and Helmut Marko for the situation that they found themselves in.

Like, there should be a lot of questions directed their way as to why this hasn't worked. It doesn't seem as if that's the case. Bear in mind, and this isn't a confirmed figure, but Sergio Perez had to be paid out of his deal for 2025, somewhere in the region of maybe over 10 million pounds to get, what, two races from his replacement? You're going at five million pounds per race before you switch to someone else? That's real bad business. Like, you shouldn't be in that situation.

Sergio Beres is lying on his bed of cash laughing. Just having the best time. He's part of some, like, residences in Miami now. That's where he's going to have his holidays. He's having a great time, living his best life, because I've paid him off. I think he's like 10 million pounds.

I think he's got more than that, mate. That's true. I think you were spot on, Sam, with what you said about this team having a fundamental issue and it not just being down to the drivers. I didn't think Lawson should be in there because I don't think he's the answer.

But equally, there were three other drivers that came before Lawson that didn't fit the bill for Red Bull. And Pierre Gasley has proven after his Red Bull career that he's a good driver. So has Alex Albin, Sergio Perez, proved before Red Bull

that he was a good driver. Like, if you are putting a light bulb in and it doesn't work, you might go, hmm, that light bulb might be a bit faulty. I'll try this. one instead. If that second light bulb also doesn't work, you might think, I've been really unlucky here, two dud light bulbs in a row. If you've got four dud light bulbs in a row, maybe

the light bulbs aren't the issue. That's a sensation. That's great, mate. Can you tell I'm fuming on this? I thought he was going to go for us or whatever. I was going to say, for Red Bull, And again, people will come for us to this. The concept of the Red Bull Young Driver Programme and working, if you actually look back and who it's worked for, and when I say it worked as in they've got to Red Bull, the Red Bull car

and then gone on to success. I'm not saying people like Albon and Gasly who have found better form after they've left or been dumped by that team. It's only worked for Sebastian Vettel, four-time World Champion, Max Verstappen, four-time World Champion, and Daniel Ricardo.

Yeah. and that's it the rest of the one the people that have come in and being good or at least pretty acceptable

Sergio Perez Mark Weber and DC obviously back when he started that's it as a successful program

I don't think it can call itself that because it's produced two great drivers and a and a you know

one really good driver and that's it yeah a controversial statement maybe but I think Red Bull would be better off

without Max for Staff at this point. They are going to come for us. They're all going to come for us. I don't know where our homes are. It's okay. And this is no disrespect to the stopping.

He is the best driver in the world right now. He deserves all of the praise, all of the good things. But as a team, as a unit, the deficit between good and bad should not be this extreme. And they actually could, I think, more positively balanced, positively balanced, I'm going to now I can't speak. The overall points that the team are generating by removing Vastappan, re-addressing how the car is built and how it functions and having two drivers that actually feel 80% comfortable in that car

rather than having one driver who is 100% comfortable and another driver who is 1% comfortable and it being with such extreme. An example of this, we're going to soccer football terms here, is very recently Killing Mbapé left Paris Saint-German and he went to Real Madrid. And that team was his team. PSG was his team. He was the focal point.

He was the superstar. And you know what? They struggled in all the competitions they went to and then the French league because that's a lot of crap. But the moment he leaves, that team goes further in the European competition than they've pretty much ever been before.

They play a better football than they've ever had and they work together as a unit. Is there something to be saying for should Red Bull get rid of their star to overall become more successful? I don't know. That's a wild take from Sam calling Vestappen, the most overrated driver of all time. That's crazy, man.

Okay. Let me out. I love me a football comparison. Yeah, you understand them all really well, don't you? All of the sports balls. All of the sports. I love how passionate you are about Formula One, and yet all other sport, you are so clueless. I've got nothing else to give.

I'm tired. Cheers, Ian. Oh, this is going to be an interesting topic. The Madrid Street Circuit. No, no, no, don't worry. I'm getting there. Oh, okay, fine. Let me just get the sick bucket.

The Madrid Street Circuit set to host the Spanish. Grand Prix from next year has been given a new name. Race promoters have revealed the track will be called Madring and have shared the reasoning behind the change. How should we say it though, Ben? Mad ring. You got Mad ring, bro. They've actually tried to explain this.

Formula One circuits are typically referred to by the city or region where they are located. However, their full official. names are rarely used. For this reason, Madring aims to establish a concise and memorable identity that directly references its host city is instantly recognisable worldwide and requires no translation. Ultimately, it is more than just a name. It is a genuine, distinctive and iconic brand designed to resonate with a modern and engaged F1 audience. It's a way of life. I hope they start selling jewellery. I start putting me madering on.

I get married I'm getting out of extra have a madering If they are not selling copious amounts of madri On tap At that circuit I'm logically a British lager But yes

It's just carling But Um They Has is happy Well exactly Sam Do you agree with the organisers

That this makes it A distinctive An iconic brand I would say It's definitely distinctive It's definitely got the old tons of wagon, right? Not many F1 circuit games. Why the wagon?

What's happening? Not many circuit games we've made it as a topic onto our show. The circuit itself perhaps, but the name is a specific topic. You've done a good job there, I suppose. I hate every single letter involved in it. And Madrid is actually one of the most iconic cities in the world. I think people know Madrid for so many brilliant things. There's so many brilliant associations,

which you've actually managed to wipe away by calling it Madrid. You know, both football clubs are absolutely fantastic there. You've got Athlete and Real Madrid. The city of culture is absolutely incredible. What are you laughing at Harry? What do you want in my life thinking about Real Madrid? Like, what? Athletico, Madrid.

Oh, hold on. We've just got a new London. racing tracks. We've called it Lombom because it needs to be different to London. The Lundome.

That's got what the O2 a ring is called, is it? It's not called the Lundome. Silver ring. No. No, that's just the thing. That's nice.

You're good at this. And you work in marketing? Monster ring. No. It sucks. The NERFIG ring, ring. The ring ring. It sucks.

I hate it, but you may get onto the podcast we're talking about, so technically you've done your job. Yeah, they've actually done us. Yeah, there was no way we couldn't at least for five minutes. Okay, just to be clear, we live in a world where

maybe the most recognisable company of all Thai of now, or very close to that, is named after a fruit. Right? Point being, I don't think the name matters that much and it's more about what you produce

that will determine whether it's iconic or not. If you produce a banging race for all 10 years of your contract by the end of the decade, we're all going to be like, damn, yeah, Madring. No, we're not.

I'm not going to be doing that. Heck yeah, Madring. If it delivers 10 absolute snooze fest in a row, we are going to keep laughing at Madring. Why does it sound like a catchphrase for like, yeah, it's my boys. Suck, my drink.

I don't know. My drink. Yeah, I just, it's probably more important about what the track is like. And I don't know. The early signs are not great. I don't like to judge too much based on a layout, but... Have you seen any on boards from Sims? It's quite quick.

We've got many very heavy stuff. helping areas. Yeah, I've seen the few, I mean, it's a sim, but there are some places where it looks like if you come off, it's death. You're going to die, yes. It's basically Jedder in the dream. That is a sentence is terrible.

Harry, I assume you're in favour of this. This sucks and I hate it. I don't want to talk about it. Do I have to? I'm a contractually obliged to. No, no, if your opinion is you hate it, then that's fine. I, look, I can see what they've all sat around. the organisers, the people who've run this event,

have all sat around a table in Madrid, I imagine, and they've looked at iconic racing circus of the world and looked at the names of them, and they obviously want to be something different, and they've seen the Nureberg ring. Now, the Nureberg ring is in the town of Nureberg. They followed the formula. But the problem is, they've not...

Thank you, well, I am again. They've not even followed the formula properly because it's the Nurberg, the town of Nurberg, ring, i.e. it should, in that, if they're following that formula, it should be the Madrid ring, which, I mean, is better, but that's still hell. Even better, don't give it a name. Just don't, it's just the Madrid circuit. Like, there are so many circuits that don't need a name and they're great.

Speedway, you know, anything. I've got a better solution. What's that, mate? Stay at Catalonia. Yeah, great idea. Solid. Yeah. Madring sounds like a illness for a certain part of your body.

Oh, you got that dodging midreng, mate? I've got Madrign. Sorry, I can't come out, so I've got a case of Madrring. You've got some cream for your madring. It's come from the tapas. Final break on this podcast, um, after the break. You're going to be playing. Show me the options.

Show me your Madrid. I've been a little out last night. Bad case of Madrid. I hate these rules so much. I really hate these rules because we get bogged down in nonsense every single time. We have a set of rules that apply for

if you're the inside car, but then they're different if you're the outside car, but they're different if you're the attacker and slightly different if you're the defender. And apparently they're also different if it's one standalone corner, or if it's one corner that goes into the next? Why are we just messing around with all this?

The rules could be so simple. If you are alongside, and we can, you know, we can determine what alongside means. If you are alongside, you are entitled to racing room, whether you're the inside car, outside car, attacking, defending. It doesn't matter. You're entitled to room if you're alongside. Full stop.

That's the end. You don't need anything more. and Vastappen should have got a penalty for this. He has forced Norris, why? What do we want him to do? Just fade into non-existence? And I appreciate what you're saying, like maybe he should back out because the Macquarin is so much quicker

and it makes sense too. I completely get that. I like racing. Why can't we have rules which allow racing? That's a controversial opinion, Ben. Apparently it is with the way the rules are written these days. These other series all managed to make this work. But for whatever reason, Lando Norris, in that spot, should have done exactly what you said, Harry, which sucks.

He should have gone. It's not worth it. The battle, I don't want a battle here. We'll go through one at a time and we'll wait for the DRS overtake so it's a slam dunk. Yay! Like, get out of here, man. Like, come on. Also, I know all your British bias comments are lining up.

Go back to Jedda review and see what I said on that. Fuming. It's proper got me this one. Oh dear. Harry, I think the good call of Ferrari yesterday in the sprint race for Lewis Hamilton to get himself on the podium. Is this just the world balancing itself back out? Like we can't have too much good Ferrari without some of the bad.

Yeah, you've got to have, whether it's light, you have to have dark as well. Yes. Yeah, and yang. It's a real shame that I can only do. yeah more yang than yin yes it's a real shame for I can only do spring races in 2025

there's nothing else they can do oh if Hamilton did I've seen a great clip by the way on Twitter it's when they're all parts up and part of Femme and it's Hamilton

stood next to the clerk and Carlos Sons coming up behind them and the captain's just like the trauma bond like they've all been bonded by this awful time they've had. But, I mean, yeah, for Carlos,

size just sat watching it going, oh, oh, no. I've left this. There is a gang. Yeah. Oh, they've swapped again. Oh, good times. Yeah, for, when I said it was brewing, I'd say maybe simmering now,

rather than something brewing. Is that the tea or is that the relationship? I don't know, both. It's sort of a real low, at the moment I'm not sure what's going on at Ferrari

because not only is their pace terrible executionally they've gone back to absolute rubbish we've given

them compliments this year and quite rightly with the sprint race you're correct on that but this was

this was a shambles in how to execute a race with just no zero communication the resignation in Charlotte Claire's voice when they were like

we'll try again at 1011 and he's just like you know what and whatever, I don't get. We'll talk about it afterwards. I don't know. Just talk about it like it, guys.

The fact that's being played out as he's then overtaking Hamilton as well. Yes. It's so beautifully ironic how bad they are at this. All the calls, all the right calls were made at the wrong time. They made every call far too late. The Hamilton call for him to go in front

should have been made five laps beforehand. And then they may have even avoided the situation where they had to then let Leclair past. But, you know, in the end, they gained nothing when I think they probably could have got Antonelli had they worked together. But that and itself, the fact that they were chasing a P6 potentially is not ideal from Ferrari and so far off the pace.

So, as you said, Ben Hamilton was battling Ocon at one point. I mean, he was taking him a while to get past O'Con, who's in a hass. He has a Ferrari, Lewis Hamilton does. So that in itself speaks to how how poor this one was for them. And they just didn't help themselves. The real cherry on top,

that final shot of the race for a Ferrari is having Carlos Sykes literally grinding along the side of that Ferrari in the final corner. It shows how tragic the whole race is. Sorry, he moved on the breaking. Man has already finished Carlos, like, you're breaking from Mississippi. Sippy, mate.

You got a long way to go before that corga turns up. Cricoo. I think it was on. It was. Sure. Sure. Yeah, yeah. Why?

He turned out on him. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay. I need your optimism for closed doors. Just like the smallest. Yeah, I can fit through there. No worries. Yeah.

I love that. I think, Harry, you got to the crux of the issue later on in your point, which is this was over six. Like, there's so much debate and strategy and team orders and team radio over an ambitious ploy to get the win, no, to get a podium, no, to get sick. You are Ferrari. And that's the bigger problem here is that they were slow and they were having to deploy all of their tactics horribly, but they were having to deploy all their tactics to get a sick

place away from Kimmy Antonelli. This was a day where Williams outpaced them both. This was a day where Hamilton struggled to get by Esteban Ockon, and Ferrari managed to compound that by also being strategically woeful. I mean, they managed to luck into the, okay, it's not complete luck, but Hamilton and LeClau both took advantage of the safety car where others couldn't. Great. You've got the opportunity to take advantage of that.

And they didn't in any way at all. They had two plays. Play one was let Lewis Hamilton go immediately to make use of the best of that medium tire. Play two was actually the hard tire across the full stint's going to be better. So Lewis, we're not going to switch the positions, as they were going to do to begin with, and let LeCler go off into the distance and see if he can get the gap down. And they did neither. They went in the middle and gave Leclair like five laps,

by which point the best of the mediums had gone and then Leclair was behind and the best of the hard tires was sat behind their other driver and it just didn't work whatsoever. They did bring that gap down. I think it, even if they had played either of those two strategies that were viable,

that had just come up short anyway, which again is a serious problem because they weren't battling for the win, they were battling for sixth. And you mentioned the resignation in Charles Leclair's voice and that is because of where they were. Like, it makes sense from LeClau's perspective that he isn't going to get overly emotional about this

because this isn't what any of them are aiming for. They're not going for sixth places. They're not going for fourth in the constructors. They want to be winning titles. They want to be winning races. They're not in a privileged enough position right now to be squabbling like they were. It's just, it's counterproductive.

Harry, what did you make of Lewis Hamilton? Hamilton's Team Radio, because this is the most animated we've heard him on Team Radio thus far and his Ferrari career. And it's Race 6. And it's Race 6. Yeah, I feel like you might give Sebastian Beto a call maybe after this one and just be like, oh, I understand now. Seb's like, you should have called me a year ago and I told you what to do, not join.

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Under pressure time. And we've got some submissions from our Discord. Yes. Thank you, everyone, for submitting. We have a load it. I'm sorry, I've just noticed now when I play this back, I can play it back in double speed. Don't do that.

I can play it in times too. Or in slow motion and make everyone sound drunk. Anyway, first up in normal speed is Dragonfly Guy. I think Chris Horner is under a lot of pressure this weekend. Rumor has it that his jobs on the line, if win or get up. No one is ever Chris. Chris Horner. That's so weird.

I don't like that. It's not right, is it? Do you make anything of those? Can you call them rumors? I mean, look, it's not been a lot going on around Christian Horner as of the past year. But, you know, he's done right. still. I know there's some issues at the moment, but he's still done

okay as a team principal better than a lot of others. So I'd find that hard to believe they are going to get rid of him, but yeah. I believe the replacement was rumoured to be Olly Oaks. So unless he comes back from that holiday anytime soon. He's loving

he's loving his time. He loves to buy. Yeah. You're like, goodbye. I will stay here forever. Next stuff is Oh, I can't say this. DuCato di Savoyer. I'm so sorry if I've said that wrong.

Oh, under pressure this week is Kimmy Antonelli because he's the only Italian who has a chance of winning. And Imola's not a great track for people who can't reach the brake pedal. He's under pressure to break, basically, is what we're saying here. He doesn't know what that word means. When was the last time? This might be a silly question. Actually, there's a really obvious answer.

When was the last time an Italian had a chance to win their home Grand Prix? Like a more than 5% champ. Cizzie Keller, 2006? Well, Fizzy when he went to, he went to Ferrari for the Italian GP, I think, in 2009. But they need to do very well. Fair. Yeah. It's been a while.

That great anyway. Yeah. It has been a while. Thank you for that. I'm so sorry about the name. Bretzky is next. I think it's a Ferrari only pressure this weekend is not on us, it's only espresso machine. And Louis, you ask too many questions during the rest.

Give us time with a coffee, we give you the decision when to pass and not to pass. Thank you, Louis. To be clear, one of our code and rules about submissions is, the audio quality needs to be crisp, we will make exceptions when you impersonate the Ferrari team. Sorry. When you become the espresso.

Yeah, when you impersonate a coffee machine. Guaranteed to get on. Guaranteed. That is late breaking to an absolute seat. That really is what we're here for. I thought it was Darth fart noise for him. Next up is Blazy. Speaking of audio quality,

they've submitted twice, but the first one apparently was bad audio quality, so they've done it again. So thank you, Blazy. All right, boys, I hope you're doing well. So my under pressure submission is not a driver or a track. It's actually the track itself, MOL. It needs to produce a banger because if it doesn't,

don't be surprised to see it no longer on the calendar. But I would hope it stays. Keep breaking late. To answer your question, if I'm doing well, I'm not Blazy. I had a mouth ulcer and it's really hurt this whole episode. You've done it so well not to mention that for quite a long time, mate. Well done. I'm impressed.

Yeah, I'm impressed. I thought it was an opener, for sure. Yeah, I really held it back. I did. Anyway, maybe we should have put a bet on that. Next up is a Pogo Sting Dog. I've lost money. Pogo Sting Dog is next.

What's up, Blake Breakers? Underpressure submission for this week is easily F1 cars. The highlight of the race weekend in Miami was the Lego ones. So, F1, balls in your court. Step it up. Subscribe to the Patreon. doing God's work, once again. Thank you, Pogo Stick.

To be fair, I mean, the Lego ones were good in Miami. The Miami GP was pretty good. The best will-to-wheel racing we've had are in Lego cars, so. Also, I love we've created something where the sentence, thank you, Pogo Stick, is just normal. Worstiles, there are far, far weirdest sentences that we've said. Thank you, Pogo Stick. Thank you, Pogo Stick.

Next up is the Bogo Stick. The Bunga Lorin, it's Fungers. It's the McLaren CEO. Yeah. The most under pressure, Fernando Alonzo. I know you don't care anymore, but you have to show up to work. It's everyone with a job has to do it. Yeah.

Harry, are you buggers now? Bungus, are you Harry? Yeah, no. I don't know. Thank you for that, Bungers. a pleasure to hear from you, as always. I'm about to say it's Inferno Jim next, but it's not. It's Inferno Jimola.

My guys, it's Jimola here. I don't know if I've mentioned it, I'm off to Imola this weekend. So under pressure is Ferrari, Hamilton's first ever race in Italy as a Ferrari driver. So we out, guys. And also Italian organisation generally. Please don't make me miserable Italy. I... I was going to say

Lewis Hamilton's first race in Italy we'd have made a much bigger deal out of it it speaks volumes to how little faith we have in Ferrari's chances to win that we haven't made much of a deal of this could be his first win in Ferrari in Italy yeah that's crazy

my point was far less serious I was going to say that I can't wait to meet Jimula's brother Jim Talagos Anyway dude Reimbolt is next. Into Lagos. I, babe, let it go.

Let it go. Terrible joke. Jim's Lagos. Dude Reimbaugh's next. What's up? Late Breakers, dude Reinbolt here. My under pressure submission for this week is Franco Calipinto, buddy. You got to show up like my grandmother's cassero at a church potluck because Alpin is a dumpster fire and you need to find yourself another team.

Bring me that casserole now. Spitting bars. Bloody hell. Love that. Thank you for that, dude, Reimbalt. Last but very much, not least, is Mandy Sue. I got to go with Ollie Oaks, since he now appears to be on the run from the law. You'd think Flavio could have given him the number of a good attorney.

Anyway, Patreon City is the place to be this weekend. Patreon after Berg, and that's a mission. Ollie O'Intyreys tried to get into Patreon City, but expedition laws aren't good enough. I've marred him. Expedition laws. It's like Julian Assangell. I don't know. I don't know if someone just got a reference.

There's not a show. Send him back to Britain. Obviously, you pay us nine pound of month, Olios. We'll keep them away, don't you worry? We're faithful to our own. Is Oli Oaks there? No, no, he's not. I don't know.

I know Cori Nation. Yeah. We've got a Trish, but. But, Olios, no. Remember folks, five stars. Yeah, please remember that. Harry, what was your moment of the race? I've got a few.

I'm actually struggling to decide which one to go for. Shout out to Kevin Magnuson being in the Salba Garage as Nico Hoffman's support. Why was he the Salber Garage? They're like best buds. But what's an arc they have had from telling him to suck a bar. particular appendage to now now supporting him

for his first podium I just enjoyed that I thought it's wholesome I'll go for George Russell spinning off and they pan the camera to Toto Wolf in a flat cap

for some reason he looks like bloody Dell boy why is he sat there he's so miserable he's just like God it's gone wrong again

but I was like why are you in a flat cap man what's the matter with you So weird When does he leave for Vastappan again? Oh dear I hope it's a new theme he's doing

So when we go to Belgium He's wearing like a beret Culturally relevant hats My Toto's hats For Rangy Vitt that he's now doing He's doing it for laughs Yeah

I like Brera in Mexico I wish he was doing it But for gloves I think it's gloves I think it's gloves you've ever seen in your life Mickey Mouse gloves So it's fans, every activation. So George Russell, panning to Toto Wolf

is Harry's moment of the race. Sam, what was yours? I was going to say I have three. I have two, but I want to give out a new award for biggest ick of the race. And that is when... begging for a bold prediction point. Ha, ha, ha, ha.

That is where, you know, the Sabre team, Nico, Nico, Nico. up him off his shoulders, celebrating. You are absolutely right. Yorice's dad alone. Lando, Lando, Lando. No one joins in.

He's alone in the corner. You're just a little at his moment. Your son's just won the British Grand Prix. They got better than. Land, you're a fully grown man. Pack it in. One of it. Wait, so that's your actual moment of the race.

Yeah. Oh, it's between Frederick. along so being so angry on the radio, amazing how you're going to get this right for me. His engineering is gone. You are flying. See how I am here. Actually, I will probably give it to that,

but the other one for me was Lewis Hamlet's double overtakes. I thought that was pretty spicy in that level of wet conditions. I'm going to go really boring, Holcomburg podium. It was just epic. So I would be lying to myself if I pick something else. Only problem is, I don't like to say, things are over, teammate wars feels like a stretch now.

It's a tough one, mate. That was a tough one. Can we... Gabriel Bortoletto wins in Belgium. I thought this would come up from YouTube, but can we shout out another cracking George Russell team radio? It's raining.

Yeah, a lot. Brilliant. It feels very Richard Javis in the office. It's ringing. Brilliant. Yep, brilliant. Oh, good. It's only the greatest segment.

In all of podcasting, it is the L'B Question of the Week. Okay, so we were asking the question this week. The marina, the fake marina at Miami has run its course. Don't need it anymore. We should probably replace it with something, but what should we replace it with? I'm going in quick. I'm going in big.

Casey Tilson has come out with a sensational line about a Jumbetron that play Shretto or repeat to upset Martin Brundle. No, I haven't been this disappointed as in Shrek 2. The story that lives on. Yeah. I replied to this on Instagram, but that Mikey, spiky chap said,

Hot Cross Buns. Come on. Guarity. Come on. knew it also some absolute nerd called Ben Hocking F1

said his new Instagram account so don't follow that it's straight fire already those zero posts are a line of

yeah it's so for everyone wants to follow it's at Ben Boffing F1 yeah the boffinator we call them terrible banter

back to the actual post from Carl Gates here a wave pool that every 10 laps pushes a wave over the earth, just soaked the corner, Hart will run the entire race in Fulwets. Love that. I think my favourite answer this week came from Daniel,

which, and I don't know if this was intentional, but it doesn't really matter because it bode you laugh either way. He said, how about cheapseats so us pheasants can afford to go to the race? I don't know. I'm assuming he meant peasants, or he's intentionally put pheasants, and he is actually a pheasant, which I don't know which one prefer. I kind of love a pheasant, yeah

Fessons Oh dear So what's pheasants can afford to go to the race Kay Durant on an Instagram said A perch for Sergio Paris to watch and judge Do you see the rumor that he might be there this weekend Oh, they're saying there, yeah And a cat like out there on Saturday

Well, I hope he brings some avocados from Mexico Oh Goodness me It's been a while How he dabs, thanks then An answer from Daniel Must be the water Oh, classic

Joe has said A full-sized replica of Fernando's neck Criking that Would it fit? Yeah, that's bigger than the arena I'll tell you what else would fit actually Dude rainbow here is Seinfeld in the ring

With heck pork sausages They're juicy meat and pack With 97% British pork shoulder I'm sure the sausage would fit Just fine, don't you want? Oh nice This podcast is not brought to you buy heck sausages despite what you may have heard over the past should be fordance

they want it to be they can be we promise we are not marketing obviously this is for free but if they want to pay for it please come and talk to us why would they pay for it it's free we're doing it for them richmond if you want to hack them out the heck conversation sausage wars my favorite wars oh my lord on that point um Oh, no, I've lost it. Someone said on Instagram, Sam's sausage stand. Which would be good. I would love a sausage stand.

Wouldn't you're going with them? They'd be raw. Serving raw sausages. Just in the middle. There's nothing else in that marina space. Just a little stand. There was Sam and those raw sausages. It's Miami.

Some sucker would pay $50 for it. You know it. I'm like, you've got to cook it yourself, mate. Last one from me, from Chad. Pitbull and a bunch of people dressed up as pit bull. Yes, I will be there. That would be excellent. Last one from me from Danny, who said,

A Real Marina, fake boats. Like that. Last one for me, Blake Davis. John Sina. You can't see me. Yeah, it would be empty. You would be able to see him. It'd just be an empty space

He was there last year He's actually at every F1 race You just never know That loves F1 But time is up It's now The time is now