The Late Braking F1 Podcast - Episode 2 - Belgium GP Review: Is Vettel destined for glory?

Episode Date: August 27, 2018

In Episode 2 we review the Belgium GP. After Vettel and Ferrari's win at Spa, are they now destined to win the 2018 world championship?We discuss this and all the other talking points from Formula 1's return after the summer break. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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My name is Harry Eid. And my name is Sanglesege. And welcome to the Lake Breaking podcast here on Drive Tribe. We've just had the Belgian Grand Prix for the first time in a year, obviously. And the first Formula One race for the first time in a month. Is Vessel destined for glory? That is the thought process we're going down this week. That's our main topic.

Is he destined to have Bessas lost it for the first time in years? What do you think, boys? I mean, it was a great win for Vessel. Nobody's going to doubt that. No, no, Bethel isn't destined for glory. He might go and win the title. There's a very good chance that he does, but he's not destined to win it.

We've seen the momentum swing so many times over this season so far. No team has had more than two wins at any point, two wins in a row, at any point. No one's had three wins in a row, which if that carries on for the rest of the year, will be only the second time it's happened this century. The momentum swings so much this season, and whilst Ferrari had a great win this week, we kind of expected it.

It's a circuit where you need a good power unit. We've seen how good the power unit is so far this year that Ferrari have. And I have no doubt that Vettel will probably win next week as well at Monza, because that's a similar type of circuit. But there are other circuits that will come up, which will play into Mercedes hands. I think what yesterday proved is that it's probably a fact we already knew, but the Ferrari have the fastest car. but they haven't used to it enough.

They've dropped the ball so many times this year, or Vettos dropped the ball, that Mercedes and Hamilton are still in front. So it proves they got the fastest car, but it doesn't mean anything, because we've seen already that it can all go wrong, and if it does go wrong, then Mercedes and Hamilton always have to pick up pieces.

So no, they're not destined, but they certainly got a good chance, I would say. At the start of the season, we did an article about who we think would win, you know, the constructors, the drivers, who would do what. And I said that Ferrari would win constructors title. Now I think they definitely have the capability to win. It's still happen because I've said it. I think they have the capability to win. I think they have the

drive to win and I think they have the engine to win. But as you said, they keep dropping the ball. Riking for example, realistically shouldn't have been in the second place? It's got third place in that race, really, shouldn't he? And it was just bad luck. I mean, the car kind of failed and then it just ran out of steam and then he broke down and he retired. And he ran out of fueling qualifying. That was another thing. Well, that's bizarre because why were both not filled with the same month fuel? Yeah, that took a stout. And this is why I think Ferrari are at risk of skill not taking.

Well, I think realistically, should be their championship. They have the better car this year. For the first time of the long time, Ferrari have the best car on the grid. And yet, Mercedes, still walking off with that constructors, little overdrivers where they're still a clear lead. Yeah, again yesterday, Mercedes-in-bed their constructors league. Exactly. And we didn't score.

Yeah, we're talking about how Vettel took such a dominant victory, and it was dominant, you know, 10 seconds. Yeah, Mercedes still walked away from the weekend with more points than Ferrari did, which is, as you say, kind of the reason that they are leading both championships at the moment. Yeah, like Colin says on Facebook, Ferrari don't quite have the consistency. They go and have a fantastic race to win in Belgium. They'll probably have another race down the line where they're beaten heavily by Mercedes. Look, I think Mercedes have every chance of winning,

just because their damage limitation is that much better than Ferrari's. And I think that is ultimately what will decide the championship. Vettel will have wins for the rest of the year. Hamilton will have wins for the rest of the year. If neither of them wins the rest of the year now. Okay. No, they will both have victories before the season is at the end. But that will not win the championship.

What will win the championship is what they do when they're not winning. That will decide it. Are they finishing second and third consistently? Or are they retiring or finishing lower down the points? Like the best example I can think of is you think of McLaren back in 1988, 88, 89. I remember those days. You do. You are, as our veteran.

You think of Sena and Prost. Sena had more wins than Prost in both years that they were teammates, yet Prost outscored him in both years. So how was he able to do that? He was more consistent. He scored more podiums than Senna did. So Kimmy should win the title? Not quite.

You still need a win or two. I'm just saying I think Vettel and Hamilton at the end of the year will have very similar number of wins and it will come down to the lesser scoring point. I think one very important thing to take note of is team motivation and team gelling and, you know, kind of that altogetherness that creates a Formula One team. And what is going to be interesting in the next couple of weekends is Spar was always looking like it was going to suit the Ferrari engine. It's more powerful.

Monser again is going to suit the Ferrari engine. It's more powerful. And Ferrari go well around Singapore. The say is don't tend to go well and say, well, if something happens, is it going to lock the wind out of the saying? So they go go to three races in a row with being second best and go, this is out of it now. We may be level on points, but they've got the run on a scale.

You know, they've got the momentum. And also, Mark Weather made the point on the chamo full coverage that hit the back end of the year, like Singapore, Japan, part of the year. Betel is normally, that's his area. It's his forte. But last year, yeah, exactly. Last year, he bulls up and crashed in Singapore,

although Ferrari, it broke down in Japan. So Mercedes has got to be a little bit wide, I think, because as I say, Monsonets are going to be strong. And then Singapore and Japan, they may be strong again. Although, I seem to think Vettel keeps winning a track that he didn't win at last year. Yeah, I think that is the one main difference between this year and last year. Ferrari's Challenge last year, Mercedes was still taking victories at the circuits you would expect them to, the likes of China and the likes of Canada, neither of which they won at this year. circuits that require a very dominant power unit.

Even Belgium. Yeah, Belgium included. And now suddenly Mercedes don't have that dominant power unit. And Ferrari are winning races that have been Mercedes dominated since 2014, really. I think Bottas also is to start being that actual wingman. You know, we spoke about him being the wingman. He really needs to be there. Same as Kimmy, really.

But I think Kim is more team-related. Whereas I think Bottas is, for some reason, dropped off the page. of the last two or three races and he should be right up there supporting Hamilton to get those points and if he doesn't the same is are really going to start slipping back into the grips of Ferrari

which is worrying for the Brackley team Bautas's comeback wasn't fantastic I know he's fourth but it could have been back there could have been third There was a lot of VNFs of top players in front of him I don't think he was ever going to get the Stappan

I don't think that was Hamilton but he got the Stappen no I don't think so I think the Stappen was too far at the way But Bottas did drive straight into the back of the Williams on the first corner Yeah, I didn't think Bottas's recovery was fantastic, but at the same time, like, he could have finished 10 seconds further ahead of than what he was, and he still would have been fourth. I think position-wise, he got the maximum from it. I don't think third was doable. John on Facebook, it says, has asked us not to let better win.

John, as you come from such a brilliant place to leading South Wales, I will not let better win. I personally will stop him. we don't have that power. No, I'm really sorry. We really don't have that power. We've spoken about Kimmy's bad luck over the weekend. It was perhaps the quickest we've seen him. All season, I'll say.

At least Australia, he was quick as well. But he was, the fastest he'd been since race one. He needs a large break between each race and then he's quick again. But yeah, I think he was very unlucky. He looked very quick in practice. And if he had that lap in qualifying, maybe he would have got the job done.

I don't think he would have. Personally, I think that Hamilton was, he really made the mistake. He made the mistake and then the track became perfect in the then the lap that he went on and set the time. And Vettel dropped the ball. O'Conn dropped the one massively and probably could have actually beaten Vetter

if he hooked up a lap properly. I think Kimmy maybe would have beaten Vettel. I don't think he could beat Hamilton. I think Hamilton had it perfectly done. Yeah, quite possibly. If it had been dry, I think Kimmy could have taken it. One thing that I do want to jump in. quickly about Ferrari, which I think has always been a bit of a hesitant

when it comes to Vettel, is reliability. So easily, the next race, could Ferrari have an engine failure of Vettles car? And I think it's so much more likely than a Ferrari than it is in a Mercedes at the moment, because they're a little bit more experimental with their power units. I think we're also going to go. And if that happens, that's the way Moseg will walk away with this championship. Yeah, Mercedes probably been more unreliable this, haven't we? How many, Kimmy broke down in Spain?

Kiwis had three retirements, Vettles had one. So that is very true, yes. But I mean, the only thing that's been more impressive than Mercedes pace over the last four years has been their reliability. Because their pace has been incredible. You think of how dominant they were, particularly in the first two years of the hybrid era. But their reliability has just been insane. Almost flawless. I mean, that's why Austria was such a massive surprise because we haven't seen the like of it.

That's the first time I think we've seen a double Mercedes retirement not caused by a. a crash ever? Yeah, I think they've come back to the sport. Yeah, they, I'm thinking it might have happened in the 50s. Yeah, I mean, obviously we've seen them crashing to each other, but that's completely different. I think both reliability issues, hitting both of the Sagi's cars, is unheard of in this sport. Yes.

Turbo efficiency at its finest. You could argue reliability is the reason that Red Bull can't get anywhere near the top too good. I know they have a slight power efficiency as well, but you think they have to, you have picked up wins this year, but they are retiring so many more times at the top two teams. Yeah, their tea tray of a rear win was quite amusing this weekend. And let's move on, shall we? Ricardo didn't have any rear win.

No, he did. Because Alonso managed to delicately flick it off as he was flying through the air, which was fantastic and very subtle in the background of that incredible crash. But I think we should move on to someone who had a brilliant Saturday, a good Sunday, but was maybe out with Sean by his teammate a little bit. and that is Esteban O'Conn. The chance that he will not have a drive next weekend. He was so nearly leading the race.

So nearly. So nearly. How late was that safety car call? Oh, don't get your tin for that one. Oh, no. I think the idea was, if you call a safety car mid-radion O'Rouge, of whatever you want to call it,

that's not a safe thing to do. I think, is that not the idea or letting them go through a radio? But they did let it, I mean, I suppose it at the whole grid goes. Because if you do it, I don't know. That tells a very rarely cool bang on it. Yeah, it felt like a long time. It was quite an obvious safety girl.

And it was called the moment Vettles knows what's in front of Hamilton? Sam, cleast, please. People are going to tell you mad. Ten points for the first person who says Ferrari International Assistance. Bring it on. Bring it on. Do you guys think the safety car was too late? We're going to discuss O'Con.

We'll come back to that. Guys, O'Conn, race next week. Does he deserve it? Should you have it? Stroll? What's going on? I think I read something that it confirms that Force India will keep the same line up next week. I can't remember. I saw it.

It might not be true. I'm thinking about what team. Oh, racing point. Thank you. That no one is ever going to call them after this whole thing blows over it. It does be Force India. I thought Ocon's qualifying lap was not brilliant. I don't think it was great.

I don't think it was good. It was average. It was an average lap that was made to look a lot better because of the, the mistakes of others. Obviously, Ricardo and Bostappen, both couldn't hook a lap together at the right time. Reichen and, you know, they made the mess on the fuel. Otherwise, he would have qualified P7 and I don't think he would have said much about it. Let's not forget he was 3.6 seconds off the poll time, which is not a small margin,

considering in the dry, he was only one and a half seconds off the first place. So, you know, if 3.6 seconds off the pace is an excellent lap, What does that make his Q2 time that was only one and a half seconds? And I see the point you're making, but every other person had the ability to be 3.6 seconds off the pole time, and they weren't. The only person that was Vettel. He was the only one closer. So he beat both Red Bulls. He beat the Ferrari and Kimi, whether he had a fuel issue or not, regardless.

He was there. He beat cars that theoretically are faster. Renos would be. Hars would be higher. They should have taken advantage. And they did it. And Ocon did. So did Perez, to be fair.

I think he I give credit to Ockon for beating Grosjean, I give him credit for beating Perez and he did a good job to get ahead of those two guys but I can't give him credit for beating Ricardo Vastappan and Reikinen because they did not have a lap where the circuit was in any kind of condition

to go quickly and his race was good I thought yeah obviously he was beaten by his teammate which put a slight dampener on it and I like Ockon overall I think he's got a good career left in the sport if he can find a seat, which is good enough.

I don't want him to go down the route of the last driver who was waiting for a Mercedes seat. Is it a cast down a Berman. Situation going on? Yeah, I hope that doesn't happen. He's very talented. Fairlines are going to put that one out there. I just think that Force India's qualifying performance where they finished third and fourth

was mainly down to their mechanics for getting them turned around so quickly, and the strategist for getting them out at the right time, not necessarily Ockon's pace. Yeah, yeah. Mr Schnafnauer, which sounds like a breed of dog, I'm sorry, but he does. I've said that the line-up will remain the same for Monza. Well, he said, I've seen an interview, non-interview, is a clip of Vettelan Okon speaking in French. Which hurts me that he's that multi-talented.

Yeah, go down the battle. Yeah, and Vettel's asking about his drive, and he's saying, no, it's already gone, and Vettel's asking who to, and he's saying to the guy who bought the team. So I don't know whether that means for next. He doesn't say in the clip, or whether he means the next race. But I'd love for Ockon to stay, I don't think,

for Force India, they don't, sorry, racing point in force India, they don't, why would they want stroll over O'Con? There's no logical reason in terms of racing times. His daddy wants scroll on. I know, but come on. I think get Perez into Haas, get rid of Grojean, and then allow O'Connor and stroll to race together. Gorghum's all right this weekend, though.

He was. I second again, he didn't, but he did do his own. good job. He did do a very good job. I loved Kimmy's win. It was a great prediction from you. Shut up. Okay. How much did you get right? One, I think. I've got better winning. More than me, actually. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But, no, Ocon deserves

to say he doesn't deserve to be chucked down. Unfortunately, though, it looks as if the most likely seat for him is Williams. And if William's car next year or even later on this year, if Ocon's racing in it, it's not a car where he can show how good he is. no. No, and that is worrying unless Williams come back with something magical next year because they've gone.

Maybe the Williams would be amazing next year. Unless they replace the wheels with Claire Williams, Paddy Lowe and a couple of other people, it's not going to go anywhere. That's murder. Quite possibly. You did that. Some sort of weird hamster. Moving on to Spar, it wasn't the greatest race. Now, is this controversial?

Is Spar actually just rubbish for racing? Don't be silly. But it wasn't great. No, right. It wasn't great. It was not great. It was just too big or do we need a big film? Because the problem yesterday wasn't people couldn't overtake. They were just too far apart from here. There were six. When you only

had 16 cars left, you had to go like miles away. There were parts of the track that were decadent. Yeah. Honestly, I think the race and it was not a good race. I think the race itself showed F1 up rather than the circuit up. Because

how difficult it is to overtake cars if you're not going on a massive straight. It makes sector two. completely irrelevant. You know, sector two, there is never going to an overtake going to happen in there. Sector three as well. I don't remember any overtakes going into the bus stop.

I remember one overtake going into Las Sauce. Every other overtake was going down the camel straight at the end of the camel straight. Yeah, that's not good enough. Even Hamilton pulled out of an overtake at the end of Langemon. And I'm sorry, only overtakes that are

boring and DRS-oriented. They're boring. I don't like them. Yeah, especially if they're things like Bautas coming back through the grid. You think it's not an overtake really, is it? It's their go get out of the way because their races are a separate race. They just lose the least amount of time if they let him pass there. I mean, yeah, overtakes don't necessarily make a good race. Battling is what makes the good race.

And I think what's going to be really interesting. And I think for now, I'm going to say that Spar is a great track. I love Spar as a track. I think it does provide good racing. I will retract that statement if next season with the brand new basic aerodynamic packages that every team has to run, we have another awful race. Maybe they'll start being swaying it is too big and it is too buried. And we need a bigger bridge or a smaller track.

Spire doesn't need the IRS, does it? We sort of the start better. You need less DRS zones for once. Yeah, well, the IRS maybe should be reserved for tracks that are really bad for overtaking. Spar isn't one of them. Yeah, I just think... You look at all the overtakes that happened. It was just Bottas being ridiculously overpowered over midfield cars.

They are helpless and there's nothing they can do. To me, that's not entertainment. You know, I would much rather see two cars that are fairly evenly matched going at it, going down the Campbell straight side by side. That's entertainment. Well, the biggest entertainment battle we had was between Marcus Erickson and Brendan Harley, and that speaks of the... The most entertaining point of the whole race was Fernando Oloxo destroying LeClaire's halo.

Yeah, true. I mean, the start was the most entertaining bit. Yeah, you say there were two battles that happened all race for what it's worth, and I think Mark Syrikson was involved in both. He'd Marks Erickson and Brendan Hartley. And the only reason that was a battle was because of Brendan Hartley was on 30-year-old tires. And Marks Erickson was on brand-new series. Brendan Hartley was thrown under a bus this race.

And also the other one was Erickson and Sorokkin, who switched positions about four times. And we didn't see any of it. Oh, we didn't see any of it. Oh, yeah, camera direction has not been great, has it? This whole season has been very poor. Anyway, that's what we're moving about. We do need to talk about something else. And that is the woeful performance by McLaren.

Even though Alonso was taken out at the very start, Van Dogg still finished last of anyone. And I think would have finished last of anyone, even if everyone had finished. Possibly. Everettetor and he still last? He still last. He still last. He'd be first time last.

He finished 21st. Yeah. There's only 20 drivers. He finished 21st. The McLaren was really poor this weekend. Because even it's not very in the corners, and the car's got so much drag on it. Yeah.

So then I was a hot of like a big plank of wood. drive along with a massive flag attached to the bag. The thing does not, so it's not the engine, is it? Because I know the Renae's not great and that doesn't help, but we frequently see Holgerner than science in the corner of a regular basis. Yeah, Rennel. We've got a Renault engine too. Yeah, and McCarran have always been fabled to have the best chassis in Formula 1

year after year after year, and this is flush come out. It's a terrible chassis. It's a load of rubbish. And the engine, they've got the third best engine. I would say that Honda is now equal to Red Bull anyway, because Gasri managed to finish what, eighth, like that, is it? So clearly did well in the straight.

Was there a reno in the top ten? Apart from the Max for Staphamen? No. No. And that's slightly different, obviously, because Red Bull has such a good chassis. Red Ball do have the best chassis on the track. They are seriously struggling.

And at this point in the season, I can't confidently say they are any better than the seventh best team on the grid. If anything, they might be eighth or even ninth best. I think Salba are. better than McLaren. Over the case of the season, I think Salver are better.

Well, put it this way. Van Dorn said that there had been no improvement in the car, and you could say that about his performances as well. But he is right. There has been no improvement. You think Australia, they were right there with Hass and Renault. They took 40 points from their first five races, and they've taken 12 from their last eight.

Stats prove points. That proves the point. Hit him with the stats. In the last eight races, Toro Rosso have got 17 points. Claren have 12. they've only got three more than Salba have over the last eight races. Force India have got six more points than them. And they have only had one race, technically.

If the form continues, racing points force India, which takes as long as the whole stream to say, is going to be back in front of McClara within kind of three or four races. Also, just going to point out, that's the best result for a new team since born GP. Equaled. Equalled points score. If Bortas hadn't overtaken, they'd be the best ever. But anyway, I mean, that's, I mean, with the points, they're saying.

They didn't score. I mean, it would be 43. All right. All right. Just making a point. Okay. All right. I'm sick of it.

And they're racing point for racing point. Okay. Enough. That's enough. That's enough race. Keeps by the NF-1 too. All right, Lauren. It is crazy.

Force India managed to outscore Maclaren by six points over the last eight races, despite the fact that Force India have had one race. Racing point. Yes, racing points. So yeah, McLaren doing great. Just to say, Rob said on Drive Tribe.

They'd probably start at work on next year and you would have thought so, I don't think. Yeah, yeah. I guess so, but they do need to watch how the Toro also over their shoulder. They'll be... That Honda is going to keep improving. But we need to move away from the back end

and talk about the two giants. Giants! Chions! Fighting in the centre of the field, Hasse, Renault. What is going on there? Redo seemed to have started brilliant. and everyone else somebody started to collapse

and a half have done the opposite. Well, Renaud said, someone from Renaud said before the weekend, if they have one bad race, then has to be right on top of them. And then they had a bad race. A half's right on top of them. Six points, that's it. Yeah, I mean, it was a signs of poor quality. Holcomburg was already at the back with its penalties

and then decided to play bowling with the F on field. And then signs just wasn't great in the race either, was he? So, and the Haas were. So it's going to be tight between those teams. Brenno, need to be careful, because I imagine next weekend's not going to be great for them either. Hulk did smash. He literally did. You look at, it's a similar-ish story to McLara, not quite to the same extent,

but that they were doing much better early on in the season. Carlos Sines has only scored once in his last five races. Hulk and Borg and Borg has only scored twice in his last five races. And they both came on the back of, Carlos Sines went seven of his first eight races scoring points. So you can see that there is some sort of downgrade there. and Hass has to take advantage and the reason for it is because Magnuson has now someone

who is supporting him. Grosjean's still not doing as well as Magnuson is but at least he's got someone else there scoring points. He's baking the cake. Wow, I've not heard that one before. Rosian's the first cooking references. All the time. That makes sense. Yeah.

Yeah. It's good. It can be game for half though. Yeah. In terms of points it was their second best performance of the season. I'm actually really exciting about Haass in the future that they can bring. If they can somehow get an independent engine provider that scares them away from being Ferrari's B-team, if they're going on top or a way of it, if they can get Chevrolet on board, which is highly possible with their American links, I think they could be a real force to record with. The problem is arguably the reason

has, have got that much better is because of their link to Ferrari. If you've learned anything in history, it's to jump on the back of someone great, stab them in the back, and then be better than them. I mean, this is Ferrari, though. No one's ever done that. History lessons with Sandhage. I like that. I like that. Yeah. I was mildly impressed with Grochchch. I'm not impressed, but...

I enjoy Grogians. I enjoy Grogian not banging into people and beating his team, mate. It's nice to see. Yeah, I don't know if it would be enough to keep a seat. I mean, if he keeps doing it, maybe, but he's on a nice little run. If he continues that, maybe. But Channel 4 coverage firmly is something they want to keep Magnuson. Nothing was making of Grosjean.

Yeah. I mean, who were they replacing with Perez, LeClaire? I saw Lecler. Evan in the chat, Lecler has. Yeah, very possible. Could happen.

Anyway, we've got three other teams to talk about that we haven't mentioned as of yet. Mosar, Toro, Salva and Williams. We haven't discussed these

properly. Let's start at the back. Williams. They actually did all right. Technically not the back if you want to count back. No, but they did all,

yeah. This Sorokin was in the points. It was in the points. And you just with Sorokin, you just get the thing and just sort of does its stuff

and doesn't really say much and can I get some with it like I'm not fast Kimi Riking and less

fast Kimi Rikening yeah I'm not too fast it's kind of fast just not as fast I thought Sorokin that might have been

his best weekend in that one so far yeah it was consistent Sirokin the one the one that

was Storke was it was Storokin wasn't it was because Sorokin I think started behind Stroll

and then I did up in front of him I think it was Sorokin that was Sarokin that yeah yeah So I reckon it must have had a bit of damage anyway from that little dink at the start.

They still went on to score a point. It looked really promising that he might actually score a point, and then he could be, we have every driver will have a point on the driver's title. That would be quite cool to have that. Yeah. And yet Eric Serent, actually, I haven't scored enough points in my career yet. Yes. He's making up a lost time.

Honestly, I was a little disappointed. I know LeCleur, there was nothing he could do about it. entirely not his fault. But I think if you said to Sal, we're going into the weekend, you're going to come away with one point. I think that'd be rather disappointed, because that power unit,

I think they had the place to beat Toro Rousseau, and Erickson didn't beat Gazzling. And you know what? I agree with you if LeCleur was the one that finished in 10. But because Erickson was the one who finished intent, I assume that they go, we put Lecler in 8, Erickson and Ted. That is a good weekend for us.

They have their second driver. True. I don't expect Erickson to be fighting with the likes of Gasli, who I think is a future champion of this sport. Yeah, might as well talk about Toro Rossi was great, Hartley was terrible. Yeah, Gassley put in a performance

of a future Red Bull driver that deserves a Red Bull C and he's proving that. Hartley was like a bus. Don't you just love it when Gassley picks and he's still ahead of the market? And they still finishes six positions ahead of him. I mean, would say leave Brendan alone, but everybody left

Brendan alone because he was so far back. Yeah, no one went here. Bandoor. Oh, yeah, Bandor and didn't leave him alone. And they could be teammates next year. Wow. They could rival Williams for the slowest team to be on their team.

Yeah, okay. We haven't talked about Red Bull. Not too much thought about good weekend for what happened. Not a good one for Regardo. Great tea serving vehicle. Yes, that was all they were good for this weekend. You know, going into the race, it was always a case of they weren't going to be able to compete

just because of the Renault's lack of power. to Ferrari and Mercedes. And we saw Max, well, we heard Max for Stappan say during the race, any chance of any rain boys? He was desperate for something, isn't he? Come on, spice it up a bit. Chuck your walk. Get all the Dutch fans

to pour their beer onto the track. Yeah. That was the only thing that would have been able to get him back into Kent attention. He wasn't good enough, otherwise. He was good enough. He was good enough. Sorry, damn good. Refraise that. And Ricardo.

Felt very sorry for Ricardo. It was very unlucky the way he went. out of this race. I didn't, well I heard afterwards, this is from Weber again, but Rekhara didn't know his rear wing a bit knocked off, so he flew up to the top of Arooge, did a purple sector. With no real wing. That's the problem with having the smallest rear wing ever. No difference. Yeah. So he did the fastest top speed with no rear wing, and then they told him, you've got no rear wing mate. By the way, yeah. Half your car is missing. Just to let you know. So pretty poor actually, unfortunately, because Recault had finished. But

Max did a scale of job. Yeah, he had huge support again. Oh, it was impressive to see. It's not, it's just everywhere now. Every country seem to go through. Every European Grand Prix seems to be Max Verstappen country and it's if, surely. Max for Staffen country. I love it.

Yeah, it is actually a country. I don't want to go there. If the Vatican City can be a country, so can Max for Stap. I mean, it's got a bigger population. Exactly. Dutch Grand Prix in the future. I think it should be a thing. Forget Miami.

I want Netherland. Oh, on. Amskeddam. Amsterdam. Obviously, Zandvoort has... I'm pretending that didn't happen. Zanvort isn't going to be coming back. It's so underprepared now. It will need so much work done on it. I feel like a new track design.

When it be at, then? Yeah, probably. That would be more like space. Either way. I think maybe Max Verstappen's popularity will bring... We could attend it as well. Yeah, we could. which is great.

It could. Should be set up with crowd funds? F1 will be better for us. I imagine the support

at a Dutch GP be ridiculous. Yeah. It'd be sold out all by Dutch trains. It'd be orange everywhere. Or on.

So we come on to our closing couple of topics and we need to start off really with the driver of the day.

Hasman? Get your opinions in on the chat. Yeah. I'd love to know what you think. It's not that many

I'm pretty just going to go for Vettel just because he won the race. You're in a race, you're the driver today. I mean, maybe Bottas, but I don't think his drive was fantastic back through the field. And he ran into Sorokan at the start.

Not many other people stood out to me, to be honest. So I'm going to have Vettel. I'm agreeing with Rob in the chat. I'm going with Perez. I think for me it's either Perez or Vettel, but I would go for Perez. He was only a couple laps off being able to hold off boss. task, in which case I think he definitely like without question would have been driver

at the day, finishing fourth. But even so did well, got ahead of his team mate early on and stayed there, built up quite a comfortable gap as well. So yeah, Paris. This race falls into races as dull as the likes of Canada this year. It was a struggle. And when the vote came up on the track

in the actual race, during the day, I said to the people I was watching with, I can't pick anyone. It was that boring. I can't pick anyone. I'm going to say, Bastapen, because to anyone left, I think, out of the people you've chosen, did a job. He drove that Red Bull incredibly well for what it is. That track doesn't not suit the Red Ball.

And again, he can carry tea on the back of it, which I'm a fan of. Perez also did a fantastic job. This is one of the better Grand Prix who's seen Perez at quite some time. I mean, I can't wait for the tea trading. You know, see him on. That's ridiculous. It won't be it. You won't see it.

It'll be a tight rope, and there will be a tiny red ball can on it. Walking up. You're worst driving every day. sorry I'm not going to leave Brendan Hartley alone I'm going to yeah award it to Brendan Hartley it was a toss-up between him and Mandor but I went for Hartley just on the basis

that I don't think that McLaren actually had a chance to score points and I think obviously the Torosso did because Gassley did score points and he was nowhere near he was absolutely nowhere he was about 35 seconds back from his teammate he was six places back once again Hartley doesn't score points

and his teammates saw proper points not just one point either it was properly in the points yeah that another fake one point no it was actually proper points actual proper points I guess Harley has to stay in the team because they aren't going to have anyone else for next year but there's no chance he's getting promoted to Red Bull

he's nowhere near good enough he'll never be promoted to Red Bull well I'm going to Van Dong because he was rubbish oh you've taken all the good ones but all the band ones maybe Hockenberg is taking the field out. I'm going to give him

driver the day because he calls the most entertainment I'm not sure that's how that works. Absolute plot twist. Worst driver of the day then to be a little bit controversial at the end of this, Lewis Hamilton. Okay. Because why?

It was, he didn't wait. He threw in the town. He gave up and that is not what I want to say from Lewis Hamilton. I've got a fan boy. We're not fan boys, but I'm a fan of people fighting for the bracket. Yes, his car wasn't as quick, but he just gave up. But is that not just thinking ahead, because if he thinks I can't win this one,

he saved that engine, yeah, for further time. But it's a shame, I agree, it's a shame we didn't get to Binghamham I think the same as general, as much as they scored the most points, I think their drivers were both very poor, and the standards that we expect those two to be at. Oh, by the way, you've got 30 death threats on Facebook. That's okay, I live in Cornwall. Yeah, on that, no.

Well, death threat, that's definitely a way. to end a stream, isn't it? Nice note. Well, we thought you actually being here would mean we'd end on a good note. No, I'm leaving it again now. Thank you for listening to the late-breaking podcast here on Drive Tribe. My name's Ben Hocking. My name is Harry Ead.

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