The Late Braking F1 Podcast - Episode 3 - Italian GP Review: Monza collision - Hamilton or Vettel's fault?

Episode Date: September 3, 2018

In Episode 3 we look back at a dramatic Italian GP, where the two championship rivals collide! We discuss who we think was at fault for the collision (probably Ericsson), whether Kimi Raikkonen should have won the race, and the rivalry between Alonso and Magnussen!All in the Late Braking F1 Podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Hello everyone. My name is Ben Hocking. My name is Harry Eid. And my name is Sanglesage. And welcome to the late breaking podcast here on Drive Tribe. It's to blame. Hamilton or Betel, I think it's actually pretty clear if we have to give the blame to one person.

I'll let the boys discuss first. Guys, Hamilton, Betel, what do you think? Erickson. Of course. Marcus Erickson was at fault for his crash and that is the end of the stream. It's not. Please don't leave it. Yeah, I don't think there's, I thought it was a racing incident, to be perfectly honest,

and I think the stewards were right in giving no penalties that I had the driver. It's racing. Yeah, this does happen, and there's nothing you can do. Yeah, Hamilton made an ambitious move. It was bold, but I don't think he should be penalised for that. Should go on the bold prediction board. Yeah, it should have done. Sebastian Vettel, he did under steer into Hamilton.

so if you have to attach Blaine, you've maybe got to give it to him, but it's a racing incident. These sorts of things happen on the opening laps of the race. And it's a tight chicane on a tight chain. It's really tight chicane. And, yeah, I'm with you. I think Martin Brunterson,

six of one and a half a dozen of the other, which is pretty correct. It was bold from Hamilton, as you say. He was on the outside, so there's always a risk of being collided with. But Vettel should have, Vettel should have, well, seen it coming, maybe. did have Hamilton right behind him.

Yeah, but yeah, let's go 50-50, but Vettel's definitely the one he came out once, obviously. Sam, who do you think? Well, Hamilton wasn't right behind him. Hamilton was alongside, if not slightly in front, we're going into the corner for a start. Hamilton did have the racing line, which is to go from the outside of the track

across the corner through the outside of the next term. Vettel got under scare going through the corner due to the fact he hit the curb. I also tried to offend it the same. time. And in classic Vettel style, he tried desperately to blame it on anyone else but himself. Again, I think it's a racing incident. But I think Vetter was the one that caused the racing incident. I think Hamilton really played any part to blame. He went for overtake, which was a fair overtake. He had the advantage of shooter speed, and I think he deserved to have the place.

It was a stellar all-round Grand Prix in terms of racing and from Hamilton, to be fair. And I think that Vettel came worse off because he deserved to come worse off from that move. I think, yes, racing is good, but I think Vettel is a bit more to blame than Hamilton. He left all of the space, right around the outside, took the racing line. I don't really see what more he could have done. I mean, it's so near, yeah, but I think it was risky from Hamilton, because it so nearly could have been both of them out of the race if it had gone, they'd hit each other a bit harder.

That could have been going over for both of them. I mean, it wouldn't affect of Hamilton so much because he's leading anyway, but yeah, it worked. It worked out for him. Carla said on Drive Drive that is Kimmy's thought for defending against the wrong car. Now, that's a really fair point, though. If you're Ferrari, then yeah, that's probably right. Yeah, Kimmy was in front of Vetter and not in front of Hamilton.

Kimmy defended the inside line, and thinking, it's my teammate here. It's not a complete competitor, you know. If I'm going to let one car through, realistically, you'll let Vettel through. And he didn't. He did defend Vettel, not Hamilton. Yeah. comments on Facebook pretty much agreeing with what he said,

which is a nice change. Thank you very much. Yeah, it was clumsy from Vettel. And you have to question his number of mistakes that he's made this year. He paid the price for it and Hamilton didn't. And it's not the first mistake he's made. Do you think back to Baku when he made that big mistake? You think back to Germany, that was perhaps the biggest one of the lot. And he also made a mistake in France where he punted Bottas in the opening corner.

you've got four mistakes there and you have to ask yourself, would those four get back the 30 point deficit that he has? And the answer is absolutely they would. And you know what? He'd probably have a 30 point lead himself if those mistakes don't happen. Yeah,

that's true. One or two you can accept but this is another one and people saying Beth will losing it and it could be right and he doesn't someone else saying, Angus saying it doesn't have the bottle when it comes to comes to racing Hamilton.

It could be very true. He just doesn't, can't cope. But like I say, it's another big points loss for Vettel. Unfortunately, the red mist comes down on Vettel a lot more than we think it does. Because out of the car, he is very calm, apart from when he crashed in Germany, of course.

But if he sees that he's being attacked by Hamilton or someone like that, he aggressively goes, I'm going to defend everywhere, and it's not calm defending, it's a ratic defending. And he, when he's attacking, he's very good will-to-will.

We've seen it in Austria already. how he attacked Hamilton brilliantly, squeezed him perfectly fairly but well, and got the position. But defending, when he's on the back foot, he seems to become more erratic, more, he doesn't think about what he's doing. And this is where we're seeing these accents. You know, France, he was behind at that start, Bottas got ahead and he clouted him off. We're seeing it again in Italy. He wanted to jump the start. He didn't get the jump that you wanted. Hamilton, whilst the fastest jump the three out of those two straits, took advantage of that, and Betta went, no, this isn't good. making a rash decision

to say of playing the patient game. Hamilton played the patient game this GP and it paid off. And I think that at the moment is the difference between the two of them. Yeah, I think you're quite possibly right. And we're talking about

how this cost Vettel. Obviously it did. I think it costs Kimmy Rikinen as well. Because we saw later on in the race that he was sandwiched by the Mercedes guys and strategy, he couldn't really do anything other than stick it out and it was two against one.

If Fettles in that fight, somewhere, perhaps they get a one-two. And even if they don't get a one-two, they probably get a double podium. Yeah. I was going to make the same point. I think Kimmy's loss came on that corner when Vettel was facing the wrong way

because, like you say, he was on his own then, and they had him covered, basically. Because if Kimmy didn't push when he came out of the pits, then he wouldn't have... Hamilton would have just jumped him. So he had to push, and then he was stuck behind Botts and he'd already rooted his ties.

It was game over then anyway. So, yeah, there's big consequences, not just for Vettel, but for Ferrari in both challenges, and a win on home soil. Yeah, absolutely. Speaking of Kimmy Rikinen, perhaps the closest he's come to victory in five and a half years. I'm so gutted.

And the poll on Saturday, he led for most of the goddamn race, and it just couldn't hold it. I've got to say, though, and I know he didn't win, and maybe other drivers would have done, but he wasn't held by the fact he was on his own. it's the best we've seen

Kimby Drive for I don't know maybe since his last win so we're talking five years ago but maybe even before it's come back I think and I think he was really clever whilst he was defending because he was using that

straight line speed of the Ferrari so well on those two big straights because he was letting Hamilton close up in the Twiddly bits and Wonzah and then he was powering away on the show which kept Hamilton behind for the majority of the race

so I think it was a pretty damn good drive for Kimmy and I think he both deserved the win they both drove impeccably Anton and Kimmy

Yeah I think Kimmy held him off for as long as physically possible The tyre was really I saw a picture of it today It's like down to the campus Yeah yeah absolutely What did you think

of Kimmy Rykin in this weekend Sam? A brilliant drive from Kimmy One of the best we have seen As Harry said It was one of the best we've seen Possibly since his last wing He had a few great races

When he was at Lotus And he's had a couple of very good drives since being at Ferrari but since his return to Ferrari, none really stand out as much as this. Unfortunately, he was beaten by Hamilton in one of his best drives I've seen Hamilton drive to date. This is the first season we've really seen Hamilton have to go wheel to wheel with another team for quite some time on a consistent race basis. And Kimmy, who would have won that race on a normal day, was up against Hamilton, who was, like you said, harnessing that negative energy, which I don't know if it's just some kind of weird thing

that Hamilton likes to go on about but he did do exactly that and if Kimmy was a nine today that Hamilton was a pure 10 it was a fantastic drive on the front too and it made for such an exciting race I was glued to the screen not literally that would be painful

it was a brilliant race I'm so glad you clarified that one which yeah I thought Kimmy drove brilliantly I'd love to see him drive to that speed for the rest of the season I think he could muster up enough points to really push Ferrari over the line to take the Constructors title. But it could be his last, that could have been his last time in Grand Prix,

if we believe some of the rooms going around of the weekend, which at the moment you think, of all the times he's probably not deserved to have a contract renewed. Yeah, this is the time he probably deserved to have that contract renewed, and he may not have it. So it's a bit of a shame for Kim's. I don't think he'll go, I swear. I don't see why it would, but... Very possible. Yeah, I think he had a fantastic weekend.

I think his poll lap was spot on. I still don't quite understand why they didn't give Vettel the toe. It would have just made sense from Ferrari's perspective to do so. But for whatever the reason, they gave Reichen the opportunity to go out behind Vettel, and he took advantage of it. It was a really good pole lap because it wasn't just... It was a 10th and a half, which at Monza is a big enough margin.

It's not a very long lap, is it? No. I have to ask the question, though. would Sebastian Vettel in the same situation have gotten away from Lewis Hamilton? Because Hamilton stuck within one second of Reikon and pretty much the whole race, would Vettel have been able to break that DRS gap

and then go on and dictate the race? Well, well, we'll see never going to know. No, that's true. You'd have to say Vettel's race pace has always been quicker than Reikov and so. Maybe. I think Hamilton was on blinding form. but you know maybe you've spurred on by the fact that Vetter was you know at the back so you don't know but perhaps Vettel could have put a bigger gap in between him and Hamilton I'm not sure what do you think Sam we know that Vettel's talent is when he's at the front he's a master leader he has this ability to once he's at the front to just gallivant away with the lead I think even if Vetter was in Kibby's position and vice versa I think that Moseillis played such a fantastic

brilliant strategy with Bottas. I heard a few people insulting Bottas and Mercedes due to the strategy they play, which I thought was a little bit out of line. I don't disagree with the tactic, but I feel bad for Bottas and it's ruining his reputation, but carry on.

I can understand that. He's becoming a bit of a Barakello almost, and Barakello was a fantastic driver, and a really lovely bloke who likes to cry at every occasion. Bottas playing his part as a second driver perfectly. And because of that, I think he deserves to be closer to the driver of the day than Kimmy was,

and that's who won driver of the day. Botas was integral to that team. The same thing is, we have not got the wing if Bottas had not played that key role. And I don't think that does destroy his reputation. I think that cemented him as an incredible team player. When Hamilton leaves, he could be the number one driver. But it could be, though, because he's too slow. That's the only reason they could use it.

And it's because he was that slower. They could have that sandwich, sandwich tactic. but I like Bothas a lot and on his day he can be really damn quick but he wasn't quick enough this weekend and I'm not not saying that I wouldn't have done the same tactic at all it's just I don't think he's just not good for it

it doesn't feel like a racing driver he's just sort of there as the backup guy the rear gunner yeah but I feel as if he has to be at this stage and I know he has to be but I don't think he was early in the season when he still had a theoretical chance of winning the championship now there's no point in putting him in a position

to win races if Hamilton can be that guy instead. And I think Bottas didn't have a great weekend. Qualifying he was slow. He was generally stuck behind Max Verstaffin. When you consider the straight line speed advantage that he had, he really shouldn't have been. But when he was pulled upon, he absolutely nailed his strategy.

And I think he's the reason that Hamilton won the race. And at the end of the day, it didn't actually cost him because he finished third anyway. And I don't think any more than third was attainable for him after the start he had. And he was excellent on his tyres. We saw a number of drivers really struggled with tyre. He was down so slowly.

He was setting his fastest sectors after 35 laps on Super Soft tyres. That's something. And he was an integral part of Hamilton's win. I'm not denying that at all. I'm just saying it's a, I don't think it's great for his reputation. And Rob said in the chat,

he used to think he was a future title winner and maybe not anymore, which I agree with it, I think. I was just going to batting a sale on Rob's point. When he was at Williams, and I thought when he got his shot in a top team, that Blotas would be the one to almost take over as the next young driver to start taking titles. And now I can't see him even winning over 15 races

across his career now, unfortunately. His levels have really sunk since he's gone to Mercedes. He really is a second man. I don't know. I think if he gets a bit more luck at the beginning of this year, maybe it goes another way. I think up until the halfway point of this season, there was not a lot to separate him in Hamilton.

Since then, Hamilton's been dominant. But if Bottas had the motivation of going for a world championship, maybe, I don't know. I want to see Bottas get another crack in it and see what happens. Carl, on Drive-Tivers asked whether it's the end of Lettell's championship fight. No.

Not a child. It's not even close. It's not the end. He just needs to string more than one race. victory together because he has a race victory Silverston, then bins it in Germany and then he has a race victory in Belgium and then he does the same thing again he needs to do a couple or lewis well 30 points that and he needs like

three or four on the next race is an integral one and the same thing can happen to Hamilton that happens a better at the last race and he's banged back there with a five six point gap already you know it's it this this season is the most topsy turnover we've seen since what 2011 yeah yeah I'd agree with that and and look if if there is one D&F, suddenly it is just the gap of a race win to a second place, which would make it very interesting. And I kind of hope that does happen because I want entertainment on this season.

Quick point, for Mercedes as a whole, they've had two races where they have had, I think, the slower car, Belgium and Monser, and they have beaten Ferrari on both race weekends. They've taken 15 more points across this two race stretch than Ferrari have. and I think that explains everything you need to know about how this season is going. Ferrari cannot capitalize on their opportunities. Ferrari have the better car, but the Seis are the better team.

I think that is what's becoming clear this season. Just the, you get the feeling the pressure is less, isn't it? I mean, obviously they really want the championship. I'm not saying they don't, but you can just sense the pressure. We saw Arriba Benae before the race and he looked like he was about to have a breakdown on camera and Vettel was really tense.

he was unhappy after qualifying on Saturday and just again to deliver that first Ferrari championships and tells him what seven if you're going to constructors but four for drivers so I don't sorry seven for drivers yeah um yeah just think the pressure's getting to them

quite possibly and I know Ferrari obviously the history and the heritage of the team but that doesn't count for all that much when you've got a team you're competing against who have the last four years one and one and one. They've made it a habit. Ferrari, on the other hand, are trying to get back there.

And even if they do have the slightly better car, which I do think they do at this point, if you can't out-stratage a team, you're going to struggle, and they are. Right. We're going to just mean someone to be quiet for a second because we're moving on to Vastappen. He wants to have a rant. I don't want, I want to have a rant.

Max Vastappen proved one thing. in that race and then he is not ready to be the number one driver that Red Bull need him to be and let me say Vastafan has immense talent and he's going to be a world champion one day

probably a few times over he has got unbelievable talent but he's not ready he has not got the mental capability the maturity in order to succeed at this point in his career his radio rant proved it the penalty itself I think was

correct but that's irrelevant It's how we dealt with the penalty, which is the thing that's going to cost him. And if I was a senior figure at Red Bull, I think we've gone all in on this guy, I'd be seriously worried because he said over the radio that he didn't care that he was losing time to battle because he wanted to prove a point and be stubborn by beating Botas on circuit and potentially costing the team two Constructors' Championship points, which might not seem like a lot, but it is everything for the guys back at the factory who are working day in and day out to give him the best car points.

possible. It's an insult to them. Now, I agree with you entirely, Ben. I think the way he behaved was incorrect and unfair on his team, but as you say, he is someone that is likely to win one to, if not more world championships. And you look at some previous world champions, if you've got the majority, and they've all got that aggressive flare and then willing to be quiet over the radio, Schumacher, Hamilton, Vettel, you know, the likes of them are multiple world champions and they don't listen to the rules and they're willing to bend them for their own sake. And I think that yes, it was wrong how he

acted, but that's how you need to be if you're going to be truly successful in this sport. So I think it was wrong, but at the same time, I think it will get him where he needs to be in the future. I don't mind the aggression. Don't mind that at all. What I mind is the statement of not caring about finishing third or fourth. That was the thing that for me, that was, yeah, that stuck with me. It's not a mature way to go about it. But he's just, he is still young, isn't he?

And he's had a lot of seasons. I'm not defending it. I'm not defending it at all. But that's the problem they've got. He's so goddamn young, and he's going to be their team leader. I'd rather use the phrase immature than young, Because I think...

It's not even that young anymore. I think the likes of Opon, I think the likes of signs. Even Lecler, I think they are mentally in a good enough state that they would be unable to take that penalty, not agree with it, maybe have a bit of a grumble, but then get on with it and get the best possible result. And Bostappan didn't do that because he was too focused on having a tantrum

and keeping Bottas behind him, which was completely and utterly meaningless. Was meaningless. And he tried to ram Bottas off the road. Yeah, I agree with the penalty. But Josh said, Josh on Drive-Tive said that just happens, crash count, was reset again

which is kind of true. Yeah, it was not, it's not a wise move from, and I know that you should say it's only a one place, but could make all the difference in pretty well, but it's still unfair for the people working in the factory. Yeah, I just think it's the message that it sends. Should we move on? For us India.

It's sort of weekend for them. Yeah, and with Rojean's disqualification, which we'll get to in a little bit, of Toro Rosso after two races essentially, which is very, very impressive. They're beating three Constructors' Championship teams. To be fair, for their two first races, as it were, these were the two tracks they needed, because they were always going to be good at these tracks.

Yeah. Spars always been good for them, and I think Monce has been pretty good. So, yeah, impressive. And even though Perez was out in Q1, he recovered well. recovered very well. Sam, how do you rate Force India, sorry, racing point Force India's second weekend? Well, we just spoke about one young slash immature driver who's going to be leading a team, and he's set to being in Formula One for a very long time.

Racing Point did a fantastic job, and obviously are a brand new team. Can we call them RP? RPFI. Roofee. Roofee. Yeah, there you go. Anyway, Racing Point are a team that are doing fantastic. Well, yes, you're right.

The two tracks that they've started on suited them perfectly. There couldn't have been better tracks for them, realistically. I want to talk about Esteban Okol, who has had a brilliant weekend. He drove brilliantly, he got a great result for his team, he kept out of trouble, Perez had contact

on a couple of occasions, and Uncle drove really well, and there's a chance that he won't even be in a seat, and if he is in a seat, he's going to be a Williams, and yet drivers like himself, who are impeccable in front of camera, respectful of their team, hard working and really talented

are going to be out of the drive, And Max Verstappen, there's all those things, but a childish ass is going to be leading one of the biggest teams Formula One has seen. Now, there's something wrong here, don't you think? Yeah, I mean, quote, Sam say 2018, childish ass. I like that. But the actual point itself, yeah, I agree with you. And I saw the point on Twitter earlier that there just isn't enough teams

to fulfil this high-levelist. You've said this before that you think like this, could be like the best driver class that we've had ever. Yeah. And I don't think there are enough teams to surprise them. It would be nice to get 12 teams back in the middle. We need them. There's a few good drivers knocking about.

Absolutely. They've got nowhere to go. But yeah, it's a good weekend for 14th year again. It's a shame that awkward might not. I don't know whether it's going to be the end of the year or it's going to be by next race. That might have been his last race in F1 for a while. Who knows?

Who might be in a Williams? But even for 2019, his options look pretty stuck. now. Just the point about Force India, actually. Racing points would see. Means absolutely nothing,

but if they still had their constructive championship points, they'd actually be ahead of Renault and Hass. Someone sent that on Facebook. Yeah. That is, not by a lot, but they would be ahead of them. That's a bit of a kicker, isn't it?

It's a kick in the teeth. I bet they're not thinking about that. No, and to be honest, I think McLaren are maybe their next targets, and I wouldn't be surprised if they get them before the end of the season. Speaking of Hasse and Renaud. Hasse and Renaud.

It was a good weekend for Hasse for one Hats until about 9 o'clock yesterday evening when it wasn't a good weekend. So Grotron's had perhaps the best drive of the year, his drive of the year, sorry, I should say. Yeah, and then...

Yeah, it was a better horse career. But probably not. Second best driveers of the year, and then it's DQ, which is a bit of a shame. I mean, the qualifications are rare, it's a lot. happen very often. Do you remember the last one? No, but I know you're going to

tell you. Go on there. It was a Massa, it's homegrown free. Brazil, 2015. Wow. But, yeah, 2016. Why? I can't remember why. I'm hitting the head by a flying bolt. That was it, yeah. No, actually it was the tire temperature. It was too hot

before the start of the race. That is Pottle Tosh. That's a bad rule. Anyway. Yeah, it's a shame for Grojan, because he drove him, who's best the rest. And Renno, another bad we came for them. I hope they've really never

recovered from his... No. No. But to be honest, I think at this stage, Renaud knew they were going to struggle the last two races and the fact that Haas haven't actually done that well across the two weekends, I think they will be relatively happy. I think they've got races

ahead of them where they will be better. I think they'll be competitive at Singapore. I think they'll be competitive at Japan. There'll be other races as well. I think Renno can be satisfied. Jenny, I haven't ever took boss at Singapore last year. Let's not forget this. Never forget.

It wasn't the way. Sam, I want to know your views on Magnuson and Alonzo and their qualifying skirmish. Are you sure you want me to wait in on this? Yes, I'm sure. Alonso is a wonderful personality. We thoroughly enjoy him in the sport, but I can completely understand how he might get on the proverbial breasts

of other Formula One drivers. He does like to swung about... Proverbabil... No, carry on. He does like to swore about thinking he is the best thing since Formula One's own sliced bread. And it was a little bit cheeky. They were both on a lap. We know the drivers shouldn't really race each other on a lap.

Magnuson, he didn't do anything wrong. But Magnuson started by getting in front of him right before the last one. Have you seen the real part? Longso was warming his ties up driving about 40 miles ago. But he was doing an ass, but he being an ass, but he being an ass to one of the angriest drivers in Formula One, and that's never going to end well. Well, I think, I don't think Magnuson really simply doing anything wrong. If Alonso wanted to start a quick lap, he probably should have realised that they were running right at the end of the session and put his foot down and got going. But he didn't.

He was like, oh, I can see a toe going there. And I know how well that works, because I'm a experienced driver. and he's trying to overtake him. And I think they both pay a penalty where they didn't qualify very well. And, uh, well, eh-ho, you kind of got what your own treatment gave you, really, didn't you, karma?

Um, so I think that's as, that's as close as I'm going to get to debating that, really. Honestly, I, with Magnuson and Alonzo, I, it was a bit silly, the whole incident. Kevin Magdal, I don't agree with everything he says. In fact, I don't agree with a lot of what he says, but he is box office. He is entertainment.

I'm sorry. He isn't a PR machine. You can't blame him for that. There are a lot of drivers now who will say the right things at the right time and in the right manner. Magnuson doesn't care. Magnuson will say whatever he wants, whenever he wants, and I kind of appreciate him for that. I just could put it out there. It was a bloody good overtake by long.

The only one he pulled off all weekend. True. It was still, I didn't realize until afterwards because, you know, effort on cameras miss everything now. him and Gadsley had a thing gone and they had a little coming together in the first few laps and that's why Gazde didn't say by that.

I didn't realize that one, but yeah, you're right, but yeah, you're right, there's going to one it did make. It was a good one. Who else? We've got to talk about, well, speaking of Macca, big news today, Stoffa the Waffle is off. Yeah, it's been decided

he is now going to be the team principal of the team. That's, I'm not true. I'm kidding, of course. Yeah, Lando Norris in Stoppel Van Dorn out. I think Lando Norris is going to be very good. His junior record proves that. But at the same time, he's going into a place where it hasn't fared too well on new drivers.

Kevin Magnuson didn't do very well. If you want to go back 2009, COVID-Lighton. Yeah, Hakey. I mean, Blutton is the only one that stuck out for a while. And Stoppel Van Dorn had an excellent record before going to Formula One, and that's been eroded into nothing. and I think maybe he was unlucky. Was he as bad as it seems,

or was it just being compared to Alonzo all the time? Maybe that McLaren is capable of what Vandor was doing week in week out, and because Alonzo is exceeding it, it looks worse. Maybe that's true. Maybe it's not. I think that is a problem. But he's not been great. No, I would have a past, well, maybe this season has not been great.

Sam, what, are you sad to see Stoff will go? No. No. Sorry, I'm not. He was pretty rubbish for most of his season. I wish him all the best. I think he could still feature a Formula One at another team. But I don't think he deserves that McLarency.

On the contrary, Ilana Norris, who is a brilliant up-and-coming talent, fantastic. It's going to be great time on the grief. I think his career is about to die. I think it's going to perish at McLaren. I think they are not a car that is able to continue performing well. I also is about to leave. I think Sikes and Landon Norris, unless McLaren pull their finger out of their exhaust pipe, I'm not going to be achieving any results any time soon.

And then the reputation of these two fantastic young drivers is going to go down the hill very quickly. If Norris can start beating signs, even if the car's crap, it's still going to go notice. Yeah, if he's being science in 17th place, that's my issue. Well, what if he thought Alonzo tongue? He brings in points. Who knows, the McLaren will win the championship next year. The last three years We're not raised to put money on that at all

Oh dear Anyway, sorry to see you ghost off You might still be an effort Next year Yeah, maybe Toro or so pick him up I actually wouldn't be surprised If that did happen And I don't think it would be a bad move

No Me neither Quickly, rest of the midfield Salba Not a good we came for Salper again They should have been good And they weren't Should up, woulda, coulda

Yep They weren't Sam, your opinion are on Salver, I am really gutted for Salba. They're kind of my underdogs

that I've been supporting all season and they really let me down this weekend. This was a track of, if any track was going to

go well for Salver, it was this track. They've got that Ferrari power unit. The latest up-to-date one, their aeropackage seemed relatively

okay. In straight-line speed, they should have been hard to be hard to the world. The Clor was disappointing.

Erickson was nowhere. It was poor. I hope everyone got some streamers out because Williams scored some bloody points.

I've definitely got some streamers out because I predicted on Thursday stream that Serockin would score a point, so have some of that. Oh, God. And it didn't look like he was going to, but thanks to Grosjean's disqualification, he did. Look, it was a circuit with essentially no corners on it, so Williams were always going to do

slightly better. I don't know that they still have their monoco set up on, but they've got no downforce, so it makes no difference. The one thing that Williams aren't bad at is that they've got the Mercedes engine, ironically something that isn't even involved with themselves is their best point. But yeah, a lack of corners help them as simple as that really. Yeah, it was nice to see.

I mean, it wasn't a lot, but a few points is good. Claire Williams looked very grumpy all weekend, and I saw a rumor that she might be being fiffed out by her older brother. Well, nothing else exciting is happening with Williams. They might as well have a power struggle. Sam, you have to see Williams with a couple of points? every single driver has now scored points. Woohoo!

That is what I want to see in a Formula One season. Every single team, every single driver scoring points in a season. No more than this zero point rubbish at the bottom of the grid. This is a golden season of F1. And yes, it's nice that William's decided to actually take part of it. Damn right. F1 goes the way of communism, 2018. We love it. That's not. No. Land of the Hudson, so.

No, no. Toro Rosso, the only team we haven't really spoken about. Ghazley had a great qualifying session, and then it unraveled from there. Yeah, like we say, he had a bit of ding-dong, didn't see it, but with the Lonesome. It was always going to be a strong, but yeah, I just say Gassie was pretty quick and quality. Pardley wasn't very quick and poorly. Hartley was rubbish, he was bad all weekend. That's good.

To be fair, I don't, the race I can't really slate him for. He did about 10 seconds, maybe 5. Probably deserves to do. Qualifying, yeah, he was a long way off again, I'm afraid. Love you, Brenda. And, yeah, currently Toro. Next season looks like Hartley, plus someone else, who they don't really know.

Well, it could be Kaffir Van Dorn. Exactly. Could be a caveat. Okay, point taken. You're driver of the day. Maple Leaf, Landstrol. That, I respect. He was so good.

this weekend. And because he was a bit better, he was less grumpy, and I could enjoy him a bit more. It seems as if, like, Lance Stroll has these circuits that he loves, and every other circuit he hates. Because he's done well at Monza for two years in a row. He's done well at Baku for two years in a row.

Is it a rule that he can only do well at a circuit twice in a row? Because I can't think of another good performance from him other than those four. That's good. I can do Canada last year. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that one, did forget that one. Only straight lines.

Yeah. Sam, your driver of the day. Louis Hamilton. He's been a little bit up and down this season. He's been fighting with a car that isn't so good. This performance was world champion Lewis Hamilton. This was the pure class and sheer determination, plus a new Lewis Hamilton of pure patience.

He was so happy to just wait. And he made the move for it counted. So, no sound with it. Yeah, good one. I'm going for Sergio Perez, because he had a good, that's a good, that's a good drive. Quali, I can go with,

what was the team's fault. And he was near the back, and he drove well and was finished by his teammate. So, perors me, but there are a few contests. I would have put Grosron in there if he was technically chanted. But, very true.

Can I ask, though, we love him. Why did Kimmy Rikinen actually get driver of the day? I don't know. Because what? I think it's just because he exceeded the normal standard that he raced. I thought he did drive really, really well. But maybe not drive-a-day. I thought we raced really well, too.

But if you can't get the victory with the best car on the grid from pole position, you can't really win you're over the day. Yeah. So worst drive-with-the-day. Well, I actually didn't think there was anyone who had a particularly bad race. If I had to give it to anyone, it would be Marcus Erickson. and he was not held by the 10-place grip penalty that I don't really think was his fault after that incident

but yeah, Salba as a whole didn't really make much of an impression it looked as if Erickson might be able to get to the end on a set of tyres from lap one I think he lasted longer than anyone else did after pitting but couldn't quite make it work and was relatively anonymous Sam, worse drive the day I don't want to say it But, Charles A Claire is going to be the worst drive of the day.

Expectations are higher. If the rumours are true, he is going to Ferrari, and he just fell backwards and backwards and backwards. He locked up many times. He lost battles he should have won. It was poor from Salway. It was poor from him. I am disappointed in Chocolate of Claire.

I'm going to go with Vettel, even though he came back. purely because he shouldn't have put himself in that position to be spun around be spun around to spin around um yeah and i'm sure he he knows it was a bad day but it was a bad day you were not good just for that it was good coming back but even then he couldn't make the tires last for the whole race although it's quite an act big ass but yeah that's off me fair enough good reasons um we've overrun quite a bit we've had a lot to talk about it was an exciting race after all right Sorry, guys.

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