The Late Braking F1 Podcast - Episode 4 - Which is the greatest F1 circuit?

Episode Date: September 10, 2018

One of the strongest appeals of Formula 1 is the fact that the sport visits racing tracks from all over the world. Each track the sport visits has its own uniqueness. Of course, there are some circuits which aren't great and don't deserve to be on the calendar *cough* Sochi, Abu Dhabi *cough*.In this week's podcast the three of us discuss which F1 circuit we think is best. We also debate what makes a great F1 circuit? And, equally, what makes a circuit bad?Also Snetterton gets mentioned far too often...Make sure to SUBSCRIBE and leave a review! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Hello everyone. My name is Ben Hocking. My name is Harry Ead. And my name is Sangal Sage. And welcome to the late breaking podcast here on Drive Tribe. Tonight, we're discussing everything to do with circuit. As Ben said, yes, we're talking about the stuff that makes the cars go round and round and round.

Some people call it boring. We call it life. Boys, kick us off. Yes, so I think we best go with what our favourite circuits are, kick things off with that. plenty of contenders. I'm going to throw circuit gilvil nerve in there. I think it's a really interesting circuit. Yeah, for excitement, I don't think it's matched. It's a cane grun print. It's a good name.

But honestly, every year you get something. And I appreciate Jonathan's comment in the chat. How can you pick just one? It is very, very difficult indeed. But yeah, the circuit is gilverneur. Nearly every year, you will get something. Even the worst races at Canada are average if you're taking every other Grand Prix into perspective. You look at the 2011 Grand Prix, that could be the best of all time. I mean, it's definitely in the conversation at least. And in 1999, you have the three world champions going off on the now wall of champions,

which proves that it's a real difficult task. It's not an easy circuit by any stretch to the imagination. You've got plenty of overtaking opportunities at Canada. You've got term one. You've got the very long two-part back straight, well, the start-finish straight. You also get ground hogs. That's a great addition to any circuit. Exactly.

Whatever you can to make something more exciting. But yes, I think I'm going to go with that. You've got Daniel Ricardo winning 2014. I can list these off, you know, just as much as I can. Because we have only got half an hour. They're not. You don't know that. That's a good idea.

But there are that many entertaining races we've had that I could just do that if I wanted to. But don't know. I would look to. Fun fact, though. Well, fun, depending on who you are. Since 2008, sorry, 2007, only three times has the winner gone on to win the World Championship, which proves that it does bring up some unexpected winners. Are all of those Lewis Hamilton?

Two of them are. That's a better one in 2013. But other than that, yeah, the other two have been Lewis Hamilton last year and 2015. Sam, what's your favourite circuit? So then I actually have to admit, I said Canada was a fantastic shout. I love Canada. We've seen some spectacular crashes. We see some hilarious dive bombs like us on the game.

It's a fantastic place to have a lot of controversy. I've got one line for you, which I'm going to hope that everyone in the chat can guess what track I'm talking about. and that is a, is that Glock? Of course, it is the Brazilian GP. Everyone gets that. Everyone better get that. It was actually Glock. I don't know if it was actually Glock.

I think it was probably Glock. Glock? Glock is great. That one is great. We've had to no Glock for half. He's got a racing team, Timo Glock. I love Brazil. Brazil throws up a spectacle every year. There's always expectations and atmosphere around there.

We don't know what the weather's going to do. I mean, the likelihood of reigning at Brazil is like two to one every single season. We saw what it brings. We saw Max Verstappen go-karting his way around the entire grid from the back of the grid, and that created an amazing spectacle. We've seen championship upon championship upon championship deciding at that track. You know, the dive bombs we saw even last season from the likes of Daniel Ricardo. Absolutely fantastic spectacle at Brazil.

And it's one of the oldest circuits of the current, you know, calendar. I love Brazil and I look forward to every season. I wouldn't necessarily say that if I were to drive a car, it would be the track I want to drive around, but to watch, that is the track that I want to see. Yeah, we saw on Facebook, Anthony, who said Alton Park is the greatest circuit one. Wow.

I mean, that's like just ahead of Snettiton, is it? Yeah. I don't think that counts, Anthony. Sorry, I agree with both of you because I love Canada and I love Brazil. But one that hasn't been said by, I've not seen it said many times, on the chat, if at all, it's Suzuki. I'm going to go with Suzuki as the best

track because it's old school, it's narrow, you've got the fast S's at the beginning, it's the only figure of eight circle we have on F1, which I think is cool. All circuits should be figure of, at least more than one should be figure of eight. What, a figure of 63?

That's not going to work, Sam, I don't think. That was to one number. Right, so we have a... Okay, anyway, we've had so many challenges decided in Suzuki as well all the controversy was Seno and Pross back in the late 80s, early 90s I love Suzuki it's a proper track

and I think like Brazil and like Canada's got a bit of character with it which is so important for a good track because you can have a great track and if he's got no character with it I've got a question for you because F1 drivers usually say that Suzuki is one of their favourite but

when was the last time we had a genuinely brilliant race at Japan? What's the tumble we blow over, hold on, like, seriously? I'll see you, I'll see you that. When we get good races. He's left. Right. We get good races at Suzuki, but I don't actually know the last time. We've had a really, really good race at Suzuki.

You can be on the spot now? Ben Shumi was at Ferrari that would last have our breathtaking race? That's a long time ago now. That's a long time ago. I'd take your point. Well, 2005 is a very good shout. That might be the last time that Suzuki was unreal good. And that's 13 years ago.

Is that not... Hey, we're talking about the best. No, no, no. We have to look at both sides of the coin. Okay, fine. All right, I'll take your point, but then... If everyone has good races all the time. I mean, Daniel Gillie is us in the LB League.

It's made a great point in the chat, and he's talking about Rainbow Road. and I knew that some little numpy would bring up Rainbow Road. Gilly, it had to be you. I'm going to teach your lesson on the track next weekend, my friend. Well, there you go. We've got a lot of people, and I thought this would be the case, saying Spart.

And, I mean, we can't ignore it because it's up there as one of the best. Yeah, no doubt. It is a wonderful circuit, isn't it, really? O'Rouge and Radion as well before everyone goes immensely. I don't care. It's entertaining. Stop complaining which one it is. Radion is the bottom. O'Rouge is the top, isn't it? We will be here for days from that. Let's not get into that. Yes, exactly. Anyway, O'Rouge's fantastic corner.

And then you've got a fantastic circuit that really drops through the forest. I think it's a fantastic venue. Yeah. I think setting the atmosphere, everything. The history, tradition. pretty much ticks everybody but then okay we don't always get a great race as far yeah good point yeah if we're going to go on that argument i'd say your argument of uh yeah there's a it's a better shout if talking about getting great races there is one that i'm going to butting rudely that a lot of people are talking about i don't know if it's because a lot of our audience are from a similar area that silverson is obviously getting a lot of shoutouts and i love silverson i know you both love silverson

um is it an all-time great track or is it just a statement Is it the home of Formula One? I mean it's home Formula One in Britain. It's arguably the home of Formula One because that's where the first race was. Again, yeah, another one not to miss. The not to be missed is Silverston because everyone loves Silverston pretty much. I don't know anyone that doesn't. It's fast.

It's pretty exciting. It's not the great, again, it's quite difficult to overtake it, Silverston. It's not as easy. Yeah, I think. There's a bit of rain there quite often, though, which helps. People might have opinions about Silverstone in terms of what they've done with the circuit, obviously, because it hasn't stayed the same since it posted its first, the first score on pre-bracket back in 1950,

plenty of changes to it. I still think the circuit is pretty good today, but others might argue that it's not as good as it once was. To be fair, I do like the new section, but I miss Bridge as a corner. Bridge is a great corner. It was a really strong corner, especially the cars that we have now

to see them go through bridge would be a big of a spectacle. It's such a great corner for cars of both speed and downforce. I think we are in that generation of F1. where those two things are perfected together. So that would be great to see done now. Yeah, I agree. And it is still there, but they don't race on it anymore. Yeah, so Silson perhaps lost a little bit, but it's still up there.

We've got people saying Imola, old Imola, which is a bit dangerous. But Imola is another great shout, the Nordslide. Now one, it just come up. Turkey. And Sam, you spoke about this, off air. Turkey. That's a great track. Yeah, I think if we were to bring a track back and replace a current track,

then I think Turkey would be a huge contender for me. I think that infamous long left-hander, very similar, I suppose, to the Cota right hand of it, if anything faster, again, with the current speed and downforce that we have, would be a phenomenal corner to see the cars go through. Great overtaking points, long straights, slow corners with heavy braking zones. I think we could see some good, strong overtaking in Turkey. it would be really great for the current generation. I would like to see Turkey make a comeback.

Yeah, Rosfeld-Lopez, on Drive, it said that they should replace Spain with Turkey. There have been a few rumours recently about Turkey making the reappearance, so you never know. I mean, when it comes to recently design tracks by Mr. Tilke, I think probably up there, maybe is his best one.

Good old Herman. Yeah, good old Herman. Herman. I was just going to say that so far on Facebook, I haven't seen anyone say Suzuki, and there's a second person who said Alton Park. So currently I've been beaten 2-0 by Alton Park. Have you ever been to Artn Park, mate?

It's a thriller of a place. It's also never hosted an F-1 race. People love it, though. People want to go to Alton Park. It has hosted me, and Suzuki hasn't. So you tell me, I'm not sure that's a reason to vote for it. Actually, no, I am sure.

It's definitely not a reason to vote for it. It definitely shouldn't have F1 and 5. on it. Anyway, we've been talking about circuits that have been around for donkeys here. Obviously, Silverstone, Suzuki, they go way back. Let's talk about something that's only recently made an appearance on the calendar. And I know Sam has pretty strong opinions

about this one. Baku. Yeah, Baku is the modern day great track. It had a poor first race, and we can almost, we're a water on the bridge. The last two years have been arguably two of the best races we've seen.

in not just the seasons they've been in, but years and years, maybe the last decade of racing, that haven't decided a title. As just a mid-season race, arguably they are two of the best we have seen in a very long time. And the combination of speed and skill that you need to get through that castle section and then that back straight is phenomenal. And I think it just creates such an overtaking aura. I mean, you call mungs of the temperance speed. It's got a lot of straits.

You go a lot faster down that back straight at Baku, and there's a lot more overtakes that happens on that overtake. So, on that overtake on that straight. So I... Overtakes and overtakes. Well, we saw Riccada do many overtakes and overtakes. I think Baku deserves a lot of credit and I hope

it's around for a long time to come because it's giving us great race after great race. I was probably going to replace by Miami though because that's a great looking circuit. Stop it. Now. No, we're not having that. Yeah, I think with Baku everyone obviously saw the first race

and the first race was a bit of a stink everyone looking at it like, oh, well, maybe this wasn't such a great idea. But on the same weekend, there was a fantastic Formula 2 race, or GP2s that would have been back then, giving us hope and optimism. And it did deliver last year and indeed this year as well. Probably the, I think it was the best race last year. And, you know, it's got a very good chance to be in the best race again this year. I mean, yeah, it's a very good point.

We've got a lot of circuits that people love. like Monza. But is Monza overrated? Are there any other races we have that sit fondly in the memory but actually weren't that good? Yeah, I'm going to write myself

just an invitation for people to come out where you have hate because all I'm going to say Monza is overrated. There you go. You threw that down with force then. Yeah, I do. I think Monza is overrated. I'm not saying Monza is a bad. bad circuit, but I'm going to say Monza is not as good as people what people think it is.

I think it's fine, but Victor and he agrees with you slightly. He thinks he's slightly overrated. Yeah, I don't think Monza is bad. Don't get me wrong. Like, I'm not saying that. Ronnie, he said Suzuki. And also, Harry, Guy on Drive Trump has also said Suzuki. Yeah, coming out of you, Alton Park. It's beautiful to ruin a circuit that's never hosted a Grand Prix.

exactly exactly where was I am Monza? Yeah I think it's I think it's fine but I don't think it's any better than fine I mean I like Monsa a lot whenever I play the F1 game

I love driving round it I love it as a layout I think maybe it needs to be modernised a little the corn is widened a bit for the current cars to allow for more overtaking break zones but yeah you're right it hasn't hosted an infamous Grand Prix in quite a long time and it sits Fongri because of its Ferrari status, which is original circuit status.

A track that I'm going to throw out, and also then I might write myself a bit of an invitation for a few people to hate me, is Monaco, possibly the most overrated jewel in the crown circuit on the calendar. Oh my God, I could sleep through it and still be aware of what's happened. It is only providing one mildly entertaining race in the last decade, and that was because of a pit stop mess up. It couldn't be more dull. Nothing happens. Nothing.

They follow each other round. You can go as fast around some of those corners as you can in my mini-Cooper. It is not that exciting. It's just because there's some barriers. I want to see barriers, but do it like Baku does. Do it so you can still have a race. But if you mess up, they're a consequence. Don't do it so you can't do anything with each other.

I'm expecting the chats. I haven't looked to not be too pleased. You might be surprised. Well, actually, it's a bit. There's a few people who believe with you, to be honest. there's nothing, or at least not yet. Well, someone's responded with a laughing face, so yeah, I don't think they're in agreement with you.

But other than that, it seems to be Monaco is overrated, is the consensus on both chats. Part of the DNA of F1, though. DNA of F1 clearly needs to change, and it is changing, and Monaco needs to change with it. Either change that track somehow or scrap it, because I'm sick of seeing it. I'm not even looking forward to this next weekend

because it's going to be boring. They are looking to extend the land. They might get a few track changes. Not this yet, obviously. But yeah, I think Monaco is there not for its racing, but purely for its heritage factor. You seem to have got a real conversation going, actually, because a lot of people are actually agreeing with you, Sam.

And I'm actually one of them. I think, yeah, I think Monaco, unless there's rain, when there's rain at Monaco, that usually provides. chaos. We had I don't know. Watson decided to make the overtake of his career by driving on two wheels into a barrier

with Verline was the only interesting thing that happened. And also deciding out of all the tracks he was going to miss, it was going to be Monaco. Does that not tell you something? I do think it's just because the Indy 500 was the same day. Yes, but like you wouldn't get an indie driver miss the Indy 500,

would you? I know, very true. Very true. Yeah, a lot of people agree. There have been some crazy races, not in recent memory though. 2016 was a bit mad, but then it is because it rained. You have to go back to 96 until you get proper mate, I'm there, don't you?

Yeah, but 2011, I remember being a bit crazy. A little bit crazy. Yeah, yeah. A lot of F1 race. I expect a little bit of crazy as a minimum in every F1 race, and that's why this season's been so exciting so far, because we've had good tracks.

Even Spain, which was darling, compared to the rest of the season was actually still an all right race. Monaco will not provide anywhere near the same level of excitement. All right, we've gone overrated. What about underrated? Underrated circuit. What does not get the appreciation that it deserves? Do you know what?

I'm going to go with Hungary because I think Hungary gets a bad rep. And actually it's had some good races. I don't understand it. It's as if it shouldn't do good races. race, it nearly always does. Yeah, we get pretty solid raises when Hungary, so I'm going with Hungary as the underrated track.

Solid choice. Sam, what do you reckon? China. Cheers Donald. Honestly, China's so long as the calendar, it's often forgotten, but we tend to always have something happen at China, and that incredible back straight with the deep braking zone and the hairpin at the end,

always provides good overtakes. We always have reliability issues because it's so early on in the season. I think it throws up a good Grand Prix. and it's always very exciting at the start of the season. I actually really like seeing China come up on the calendar. I don't like this very much because, well, I kind of agree with you again, and I can't agree with you this much. It's not good for my health.

But the other underrated race I was going to throw in there was Bahrain, because I think Bahrain is better than what people give it credit for. I think Bahrain is good. I don't think Bahrain is the best race on the calendar, but I think it's viewed as worse than what it is. More often than not, Bahrain is a top six, top seven race every year. Yeah, I completely agree with it.

It always finishes in the top third of races. And now people are saying a lot of Mexico in the chat is being underrated. It has won the best Grand Prix two years in a row by public vote, I think. So I don't think it's underrated. I think most people pretty much love Mexico. I love Mexico.

I know you both love Mexico. So I think Mexico is one of those races that has come into the sport very recently. and done a very good job of being one of the best races consistently in the year. Darren on Facebook suggesting we're not old enough to remember the 2011 Monaco Grand Prix, which is true. I was actually born in 2013. I forgot I was only four. Yeah. I was born on Monday.

Yeah, so we don't remember that one at all. I was there for that. It was fantastic. It was great. What makes a good F1 circuit then? We talked about a good track. the event, I don't know, the atmosphere. But what is it?

What do you consider to make a good F1 track? I have five steps. To make a good F1 circuit. Ladies and gentlemen, introduce it to you. Benjamin Hockings, five steps to a good F1 race. If anybody's got tea or, you know, they've got some food to eat right now, this is your time.

It is. I mean, it isn't. This is important. Number one, a low margin for error. I don't mind Austin and some other circuits, but if there shouldn't be long runoffs, gravel, grass, barrier, doesn't matter what it is,

there needs to be punishment for going wide and making mistakes. You know what, Ben, that was the first thing that I thought of when you asked the question was there has to be an element of severe risk coming to it, not necessarily so like Monaco,

every corner is gone, but there has to be a chance if you mess up, you really mess up. I completely agree with you with point one, surprisingly. Number two, overtaking opportunities. There needs to be opportunity to overtake, Right? Okay. Yeah, I agree.

Number three, it needs to be technically difficult. There needs to be circuits that are varying in different, what you need to show. It needs to be fast, slow, corners, straights, everything that you need. Number four, needs to be a good atmosphere. Not the most important one, maybe, but... You need some people watching it. Yeah, I mean, go on, you need some sort of good atmosphere.

So not three miles outside of any city somewhere in South Korea, then. next to a shipping yard. You've got it. You've got it. You're listening to these points. And number five, it needs something a bit different, something that separates it from the rest, a signature part of the track, whether it's a corner, whether it's a sector, whether it's a hairpin, a straight.

It needs something that has a signature. So you look at like O Rouge. Parcel section. The partial section, yeah, absolutely. The center-s is something that, gives it something above everything else. A bit of charm. A bit of charm to it.

You are absolutely right. So if you follow those five steps, you too could be a good F1 circuit one day. I love that from you, Ben. So I'm going to ask the question, why is Australia a skill on the calendar? A lot of walls. Again, I think that covers your atmosphere

and you've got walls close by in your list. It's so, apart from reliability, it's a little bit boring, isn't it? Every year is a bit, boring. That's the introduction of the year. Nicolai on Facebook has got a good point and I'd like to write this on to your

this. Elevation change. I think all circuits should have elevation change. Yeah, that's a good point actually. The old start at Kyle Army, the elevation change there was breathtaking. And you see it in Brazil, and even, to be fair, I'm not saying Barcelona is the best circuit, but you see it in Barcelona that can start on up and sum down. That's cool.

That's always a cool thing. Actually, a quick question about Barcelona. I answer you guys in the chat. Would you rather keep the old last corner in Barcelona, or are you happy with the new final sector, the slow, left-right chican, or would you prefer the massive, long, swooping right-hand onto the back straight? I mean, I don't think they can use the old one for safety,

but I, 100% have the old one back. We've got another contender for British Racing Club circuits that have apparently hosted F-1. Cadwell Park. Just come up on Facebook. Cheers, Barry, Barry Scottsled. Yeah, a lot of love for different British circuits today. Cadwell is now in the running to compete with ultram-pass and sizzle.

I'm waiting for Snetterton. I missed it. It was in the chat earlier. Ah, did it already go? No way. Someone's already mentioned it. All right, so you've discussed Melbourne, and you've not really liking it very much. What is your least favourite circuit, Sam?

Is it Melbourne or something else? No, it is Monaco. Higgs my very persistent hate for it earlier. It doesn't provide. It doesn't deliver. My expectations for it are very low. As a family, we all watch Formula One. Every single year we sit there and have a chat.

I'm bored of it. I'm fed up with it. I know what you're going to say. I completely agree with you. So Ben and Harry, what are your least favourite circuits on the calendar? I actually have a top five for this one as well. Number one, soft sheet, number two, soft sheet, number three. Sochi, number four, Sochi, number five, a bit different. Sochi. Sochi is terrible.

Sochi is. Get it off the cover of it. It's a propaganda machine of a race. I've never heard the expression, gander machine in my life. It's a propaganda. Propaganda. Not just sort of a gander, but a proper gander. Yeah, right. No, a proper gander. Yeah, I know what you mean with the lad and his lads turning up. I mean, towards the end of the race. 2015 was okay. That is by far the best race there's bit and it's okay.

My favourite shot is the nigrayed shot of Putin's face. Exactly. Yeah. We've got a few gilly on Drive Tribe and Niels on Facebook saying Abi-dabby and that's going to be my choice. Aberdeby is terrible. He wants to go Abu-Dabby. No one.

I'd like to go on holiday if everyone were to pay for me to go. Yes, all right, Frampe to Ebb-dabby, but I'm just saying, oh, okay, sorry,

I thought we lost you, Sam. Yeah, if we're choosing Bound circuits, Abidabies terrible. It's some straits and some 90-degree

left-handers and right-handles. That's not a circuit. That's terrible. But theoretically, that does, on paper, fit into a lot of those what makes a good race.

So why isn't it a good race? Because, and I saw this point made, earlier about Sochi, that you could go to any corner and it just pretty much looks the same, like the backdrop and everything, it's just so repetitive. Yeah, and it's got Marzor run off. Both Abidabi and Sochi have got Mars a runoff. I mean, at least from Monica Sam, if they make a mistake, they do end up in the wall. Yeah, that is true. At least you're going to see someone lose a wheel. You won't see that really

at Abu Dhabi or at Soxia and that's to hit each other. I'd like to make a point about the South Korea track because I know it's not there anymore but that was a great track and that I mean that had a few walls close by but I don't know that just had nothing going through it whatsoever

apart from its first year yeah I can't say I'm devastated it's not there anymore a bit like Valencia oh God never bring Valencia back ever it needs to stay in the death pit of Formula One tracks Valencia should have been good though. It had one good race in its last year. It should have been good better than it was,

but I don't know. It just didn't work. Michael on Facebook is making his views clear about Sochi and indeed white bread. I love that comment. He says Sochi is like white bread. Why get it when there are so many better options? I mean, I like white bread, but I don't like Sochi, so I can't agree with that one. I hate white bread and I hate Sochi. So thank you to that man there. Right. Let's have a look at some circuits that are not currently. on the F1 calendar, whether they've been replaced or they've been dropped, or even some circuits that have never

appeared in Formula One before, what would you like to see on the calendar? We know Miami's coming next year. What has been on before? I've never been on before. Both. Just something that's not on the calendar right now. I'd like... See?

You could have thought this through first. That'd have been good. I'm going to go... Shut up. I'm going to go with the old Hockenham. I know we're going to do Hockenheim this year but I'd like the old Hockenheim back, please, because that was just cool. The one that's got like a bit of a propeller shape

on the top of it on the map from the aerial view. It's just got like a bit of a... Yeah, mind. You can't think of it, no mind. Okay, yes. Okay, fair enough. What would you like to see come back, Sam, or there's never been there? So, obviously, as I mentioned, well, Turkey's a really good shout.

I think that'd be great. A few people have mentioned, Imola, Ross Feltz put Watson to Gleng. It's another great shout. I'd like to see Imola come back. I think Imola is a really exciting circuit. Again, new cars around there will be really interesting. A one-off around the Gorgasloaf would be brilliant.

Just a two-lap wonder could be amazing, which is like a charity race. If I'm honest, though, there's not many tracks that I think beat some of the best tracks on there. I'd like to bring more like, we've got France back, thank goodness. I'd like to see Hockenheim become an actual mindset. I'd like to see the Nureberg ring, the actual F1-style Nureberg ring, become a frequent reappearance on the track, almost like the European Grand Prix.

Put that back on there and get rid of myco for me. I'm all right with that. Ben, what about you? I mean, first of all, I'd switch out the Melbourne Grand Prix and get back to Adelaide. I think it was better there. Imola, as so many people are saying, is probably the most common answer and understandably,

so really good racetrack. Zambor, I haven't seen that mention too much. And I think with Max Verstappen's rise in Formula One, that could be a venue in the next couple of years. I mean, look at the amount of fans that Vastappan has that traveled to Austria and to Belgium. Yeah, to see him. Like, if the race was held in the Netherlands once more,

that could be crazy. What about Mount Panorama, Bahas? I think that would be crazy. I'm not really sure they could do it. It would be awesome to watch. Laguna Saker. Yeah, Laguna Saker is a good. option as well, no doubt. Can you imagine F1

car's going through the corks free? I don't think we'll be overtaken much around there though. I don't think it would provide an actual good race. I think it would be cool to watch, but I don't think it would be an exciting race. But you imagine Lance Stroll going through the corks free? It'd be terrifying. It'd be funny to watch though. Oh yeah.

Sean on Facebook has said Nuremberg. I assume it means Nuremberg ring. We're not going to Nuremberg. I think the Nureberg ring will be a great addition to the current calendar. Unless you did actually mean Nuremberg. If there's a crack we don't know about, please somehow send it to us, I want to see that layout.

Colin's actually gone with something. I forgot about Long Beach. Yeah, another good one. Former ego there, don't they? Oh, they have been there. Yeah, not the Ford do as well. I'd like to see us go to Africa for a race. There's a few circuits around there that could be brought to life if the money was really pumped into it.

Safari Grand Prix. Yeah, I think Kyle Lami is obviously the main circuit that was used in Africa, and I just don't think it's as good as it once was. after the changes that it went through back in the late 80s in the early 90s. I just don't think it's as good as it once was in the 70s and the 80s. Esteril, down parking, yeah. I'll forget everyone's opinions quickly on the Indian Grand Prix that was there for a couple of years. What do you guys think of that circuit?

It's a good circuit. I don't think it gave the most fantastic rates. I think it was fine. Maybe no better than fine, but fine. Yeah. I think I had the potential to grow a large crowd. Obviously, Asia has got such a large market in that country specifically. I think a race track in that region would be a really good idea for the sport.

But I don't think it was correct. I think it needs some modification. Yeah, I agree. Before we go, we've had two people correct from Facebook. There is a track in Nuremberg. It's DTN. You're right, Felix, and Kevin. Apologies.

Is that the Norristian? Yes. Yeah, I did think that. As I was saying, I forgot that it was in Europe. I don't know it was in Germany. Thank you for putting us up on our poor port, Metroport knowledge. And yes, we are still waiting for the North Korean Grand Prix, Antonio.

It's coming. It is coming. We'll be there to cover it live when it's funny. No, we're not. I have been personally invited. Me and Kim Jong-un will declare a relationship that will make Britain great again. Right.

On that note, I think we should go. Yeah, if there's any note to go, I think that will do it. Yeah, thank you very much for joining us, everyone. Your comments have been fantastic. Such an array of opinions, it's been really interesting to listen and watch. Oh, yeah, yeah, my five points and all that. Thank you for listening to the late-breaking podcast here on Drive Tribe. My name's Ben Hocking.

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