The Late Braking F1 Podcast - FINAL 6 RACES: What does each team need to do?

Episode Date: September 29, 2024

With just 6 races of the 2024 season remaining, the LB boys dish out 3-word summaries and advice to each team on how they could finish well. They also discuss Horner naming Russell as a potential target, as well as more staff departures from Red Bull, before finishing with a game of Show Me The Options... FOLLOW us on socials! You can find us on YouTube, Instagram, X (Twitter) and TikTok SUPPORT our Patreon for bonus episodes JOIN our Discord community JOIN our F1 Fantasy League BUY our Merch EMAIL us at [e-mail]   & SUBSCRIBE to our podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to check out new episodes every Wednesday and every Sunday. Welcome to the late breaking F1 podcast presented by Harry Eid, Sam Sage, and me, Ben Hocking, here for a little non-race weekend Sunday, Sam. It's lovely to be here on a little Sunday. No races, very sad. But we're getting close to the Texas.

and that means we're going to be in America. Yeah, two weeks. Two weeks will be there. Well, two weeks tomorrow. Tomorrow, yeah. Yeah, we're flying away. I can't believe, right. Like, we're doing all sorts of things.

So anyway, we're going to get on to that. We're going to bore you enough. We're here to talk about non-Texas related things because this is a non-raised weekend, and we've still got loads to talk about. We do indeed. We've got show me the options coming up later on. We've also got some comments from Christian Horner

about George Russell. But we introduced. something in the summer break, we introduced three word summaries. And at that point, we were looking at how impressed we were from the teams to that point. We're now looking ahead a little bit. We are back to three words. We're going to go through the entire grid. We're going to go constructors-wise. We're going to go from the top, McLaren, all the way down to the bottom, Salber. So starting with McLaren, we'll each give our, like we did last time, we'll each give our three-word summaries, and then we'll delve into why we've picked those words.

Sam, what's your free word summary for McLaren? Okay, McLaren I've got, don't look back. All right, Mr Gallagher. Harry? I've put no poor, poor rules. Could be four, but we'll allow it. No, well. My three-word summary for what McLaren should focus on for the rest of this year

is don't get complacent. So we've both started with don'ts, Sam. Explain yours. Yeah, they finally tip themselves over into the lead of the constructors, of course. It looks like Landon Morris is properly getting his act together and is on the hunt for the drivers. Now is the time to just take that lead, take that domination that you've started to see finally and just keep running with it.

Don't hesitate. Don't sit there go, oh, maybe we need to fit. No, no, no, no, no. Don't look at it. Keep doing it. Whatever you're doing is correct. You're hiring the correct personnel. The team functions brilliantly.

You struggle with par par par par rules, and you've now got rid of par par parr rules. So it's just keep going as you are, keep pushing forward, plow through to the rest of the season. Both championships are 100% there for the taking. Let's not trip up under our own shoelaces here. You can deliver on this. It really can happen.

Keep running with it. Don't look back all everyone else is doing. You just do you. That's where kind of my three words is stemming from. Don't get too distracted by the other teams, essentially. We've seen it before, right? What are they upgrading? What are they doing?

What's drastic? No, no, no. Your car is good enough. Your drivers are good enough. Just complete the season. Just run it the way you should until the end of the year. I understand. I mean, they've got into the position that they're in for a reason.

So it would not make sense not to deviate from that. I completely understand that logic. Harry, no more pop or rules according to you. mine is a serious point and it kind of relates to what Sam's just said my description of their season so far of fast but silly

relates to this too don't go there Ben but never again never again but this this is to say don't do don't be silly

don't do anything like papyr rules don't get complacent and concentrate on other teams you're in a great position you've got the best car now just stick to it. Don't get distracted because we've seen it a couple of times this season

where they, papy rules being one of them, where they've been a bit fast but silly. So yeah, that's my meaning behind that. Do you think they've retired the phrase? Like even if they end up using team orders, have they retired the actual phrase papaya rules?

Yeah, because I think Ron Dennis has sent us lawsuit or something. He's probably got some say in the McLaren team still. And it's like, you're not allowed to do that. Not under my watch. The worst. Comes out of nowhere. Run, dang, it's like nowhere. The worst part about this McLarency.

And it's pretty much the only bad thing about them. It's the cringe radio. You know, just stop. Just deliver a normal radio. Why's Andrea on his shoulder? What does that mean? Why have we got part-par rules now? Like, stop, just stop all of it.

Just say, move out the way. Swat positions. Normal words. Be calm, concentrate. It's all normal. And it's acceptable. You don't need to write a poem. every time you do a team radio.

Orlando, what do you think about the weather radar that's actually in front of me? God, their team radio still annoys me. Yeah, I've gone with Don't Get Complacent. I think this is something we're going to chat about on the next Patreon episode is what McLaren need to do

in terms of their upgrades because they still have the potential to bring more upgrades and I think there's a natural hesitancy about should we just stick with what we know works, which is our current car, or should we keep the very?

I think they've got to keep pushing because there's still a lot to play for, right? We are still, but there are six races to go, but that includes three sprints. And when you think about three sprints, that's probably worth about one race by itself, if not slightly more, maybe if you're finishing second or third. So we, you know, seven races, 20 years ago, that would have represented half a season. So we do still have a lot of points to play for. My potentially dodgy math says that this could still be 309 points. available for one constructor. That's a lot. The gap's not that big. So we know that retirements can

rear their head at the most inopportunity of times. McLaren have been pretty lucky to this point, not to the only retirement they've had was, and even this wasn't technically a retirement because he was classified, but Lando Norris at the Austrian Grand Prix. Other than that, they haven't had anything. So mechanically, they haven't had a DNF so far this year. You never know when the first those might be around the corner. And of course, whilst they have been dominant at some races, Singapore last time out,

Hungary, they were pretty dominant. Zanvore, they were pretty dominant. For every one of those, there's been a Monza and there's been a Baku where they've still been very competitive, but they haven't had an outright advantage over one of their rivals. Who's to say that the next six

might be more Monza and Baku's, in which case there is the chance it tightens up. I think in all likelihood, they have got this sewn up by now, but weirder things have happened in F1, so they can't get complacent. Moving on to Red Bull. Of course,

the last time we went in championship order for these three-word summaries, they were first. They're no longer first, Sam. What's your three-word summary? Well, I quoted Mr. Gallagher in the first one. I'm quoting the Claxons in my second ones. It's not over.

Nice. Another good Claxton's reference. Absolute banger of band. Yeah, a bang of a song. So true. Great. Harry I've put

Make Sergio Faster God Can't wait to get to that one My three word summary Wings need mending

Wings Or red ball Yeah Very good Sam It does what it says On the Ting Right

Or in the can If you're Red Bull It's not over It's not over It's not over It's not over Max Ostapping

still holds The League of the driver's They are still within pretty much, you know, a one-two finish away from regaining the Constructors' Championship. The car is struggling. We've seen the car slowly, slowly fall away from the top band. But Max Verstappen is a once-in-a-generation talent. Sergio Perez has proven at the likes of Baku that he can still be very quick.

He just needs to consistently do that now more so than not be quick, which for him does seem to be a struggle. I'm sure Harry will get onto that in more detail soon. And they need to be finishing more regularly at the very top. thing in the midfield of the points section. The titles haven't completely gone. Whilst I do think the Constructors' Championship is going to be a really difficult grasp for them,

it isn't impossible. And whilst the driver's title is still in their hands, it kind of is falling their way a little bit. Max Verstappen keeps needing to pull blinders out the bag, but it is there. So support him. It's not over. You could still take something home.

They need to prioritise Max. They need to make sure that the team is working towards him get the absolute best position possible. They need to be, naughty and use things like RB to steal faster saps off their rivals. I don't like the process but if it helps them to wing and it's technically

within the rules right now, keep doing it. You may as well. So it's not over. Don't lose hope. Keep fighting. There's only seven races left. Six races left. How many have we got left again? It's six, right? Six. Yeah, six races to go. You can still get something out of this season.

Do not get downbeat because you've lost the league for the first time in about three seasons. At what point do you think that Red Bull might have to concede that the Constructors' Championship is not within reach, at which point they turn their attention fully to securing the drivers for Vestappan. Can you see that happening? I can. I can.

For me, I think they'll give it at least till after Texas, because you never know if we do get, as you really mentioned, another Baku or another Monza, where especially Baku, right, Sergio Peres has said the entire time. It's only because of the crash that he didn't score those points. And the fight would be so much closer in the constructors if Sergio Perris did score those points. So if Texas is an absolute whitewash, if McCrown run away with a one-two, you know, Norris wins by 20 seconds

with a piastry behind him and they're not on the podium, that's probably where you bite the bullet and go, we ain't winning this, even if we have an absolute blinder, we're probably not putting this back now. But I reckon hold your heads up at least for both until after Texas, and you've got to keep pushing Max,

because that's still winnable for you. And I would assume as well that you would, if you're Red Bull, you would take a Vastappen Drivers' Championship over a second place, finishing the constructors, as in light, they might be at risk of third, obviously. I feel like the driver's championship comes

before securing second place in the challenge of championship. A wing's a wing. A wing is a wing. Yeah. Harry, make Sergio faster or better? I mean, they kind of mean the same thing. Faster, but faster. Faster.

I am fascinated to hear what your methods of achieving this are. Yes. Look, I'm not trying to be harsh on Sergio here. I think there's clearly he's clearly got issues with this car. He's been saying it for a while. And whether we fully blame that on the car or on him, may be seen.

But Max Verstappen, he'll do a, doesn't matter, he'll do a great job for you. It doesn't matter. If you want to try and win, and again, there's only a certain amount of time. I think they can keep doing this before they need to just ditch the constructors and concentrate on the drivers. But if they want to still try and go for the constructors, they need to do everything they can to make.

Sergio faster is where I'm coming from here. Whatever he needed. Does he need a confidence boost? Does he need an arm around him? Do they need to do things to the car that are more suited to Sergio? Do what you can. Because we know what rebel are like, i.e. they get rid of drivers pretty easily, Danny Ricardo.

They're quite cutthroat when you're not performing well. But they need him. They need him to perform well if they won this championship. So if they want any hope of the constructors, make Sergio faster is what I'm saying. And that's not really not criticism of him. He clearly needs all the help he can get. Yeah.

And I've gone for wings need mending because I'm not saying they should abandon 2024 just yet, but equally they need to start thinking about what 2025 and onwards looks like. And certainly Ricardo for Lawson is one of those steps, but I don't think it's the only one. 24 has been a tumultuous year for a number of reasons. It started out obviously with scandal. it's a lot of key personnel have left the team, one of which we're going to be discussing later on in the show.

And I think it's unlikely at this point that they will get first place back. But if you're looking towards next season, let's say it carries on and they don't have a dominant car like they had at the beginning of this season, then you're probably going to see the same thing happen again. So they need to at least make some changes with other teams. You know, you look at McLaren. Norris and Piastria settled there.

That's a great line. lineup. You look at Ferrari. Ferrari have almost got like past present and future sorted in that they've got Hamilton, McLaren, Behrmann. Like, they're looking good as well. And Red Bull, it feels like they're still slightly directionless. So at the end of this year, they need to work out a few things like how do we secure Max Verstappen long term? And with our junior drivers, who are they? And what's the timeline for getting them promoted? And until they have that, my confidence in Red Bull remains quite shaky. Ferrari, Sam, three words. Yeah, for Ferrari, I've got

Don't Do Canada. That's a great idea. If you don't remember, folks, that was a double retirement, which gets you no points in this sport. I've gone for two-win target. Harry? I've gone for stop wasting potential.

Love that. I like that. Sam, kick us off. Well, Harry's kind of summarises mine in the sense that Canada was where it started to really fall apart for actually what looked like quite a positive season. Both, I think it was you that put this on social media, right? You kind of think if you take the five races without the season without those five

races after Canada. After Monaco, yeah. Thank you, yeah. They're nine points clear, right? Or both was it Red Bull and McLaren? So they're having a great season. And it feels like this mid-season flop has absolutely cost them. Well, six races to go.

The car is there. The car is able to perform, right? they were pretty close to a victory in Baku. They managed to win, Monsa. I think they were pretty quick in Singapore, but qualifying let them down. I really think they could have had a double podium if the cars were right for them. Six races to go, the car and the driver line up is really, really strong. Perhaps the strongest other than McLaren here, they could really claw something out of this.

Second place in the construct is 100% on the cards. First is possible if it falls apart from McLaren. It genuinely is a lot of it. completely out of reach. A difficult task, yes, but impossible. Good Lord, no. Wings are available. Podiums, multiple poems are available.

Just don't do what you did in Canada, which was a pli-point this upgrade, muck up with strategy, end up with a double retirement. That classic Ferrari nonsense where we all say in the podcast, we sow back. We don't want to be back.

I want to keep going. I'll keep running away. So, yeah, Ferrari, don't do Canada. Just be good, the last six races. Harry, potential, don't waste it. Please don't. Yeah, I mean, Sam's going to summarize what I was going to say, but I mean, Singapore, another example

where they should have been further up in qualifying, and I think it costs them. Look, Ler's pace was actually really a podium, right? Yeah. Well, Fernando Lanzar reckonsor reckonsor reckons are going to want it, so. The man who's only three seconds behind, Carlos Sanks. Yeah, which implies that he could have been on the podium. I was sure.

No, fastest car, and I was just buying the car, I should have won. I want to wing. Good as me. But they had really good, Lecler least had really good pace. Actually, I think signs, I know he had terrible start, but his pace was very good considering how long he went on those ties, which was three days. So Singapore's another example where they threw away what was potentially a good result for them.

So, yeah, that sums it up. They could be way further up in this championship if they hadn't had races like Singapore, weekends like Singapore, races like Canada. So the remainder of the season, Ferrari, don't do that. Don't do that. Yeah, I've gone two-win target. I'd like to see them when two of the last six. I think that would be realistic.

And I think it would take 2024 from like a slight improvement on 2023 to a good improvement on 2023. That would also give them five wins on the year, which would match the amount they had in 2018, which I think a return to that is a step forward. The other thing I'd like to see them do is challenge for second place in the Constructors' Championship, see if they can get that away from Red Bull. To be honest, I'm less fussed about whether they do that.

I'm more fussed about how they approach it in terms of head-to-head. How do you strategically get by them? That's the sort of thing we've always questioned Ferrari on. So those are the things we need to see improved. But they just need two out of the last six wins. That would give them, I think, a good sense of optimism going into 2025, which is what they need. Mercedes, Harry. Mercedes, I've put,

uh, time for 2026. Um, I've gone with form needs finding. Sam. I've gone with, eat the crumbs. Sure.

It's like eat the rich, but just a more manageable version. Just, yeah, just you know, just mine or appetite, maybe got a tummy ache. Okay.

Um, Harry, you're already thinking two years ahead. Yeah, look, This is, they've had, they've had their best year of these, this rule set. I think no doubt about it in terms of wins and pace Mercedes. But it's done up and great.

And yes, they can, they obviously there's next year still. But it's time, if you want to start winning again, I know they can't really do anything into the car until next year, but just all your concentration or your eggs into 2026 now, because that's, if Mercedes really want to be back, I think that's the year they're going to, they're going to be back if they do it right. So they're not really doing much now. Like they're there or they're about burglaring a cup of wins or podiums,

but that's not what they want, it's not where they want to be. I'm sure they'd like Hamilton to have a send off with another last win for Mercedes. But in the long term, they've got to think 26. So I think that's what they need to do now. Yeah, I've gone with form needs finding. This, I was looking at their results earlier. It's been a bizarre season for Mercedes because it's almost been like three stages. Stage one was the first eight races where they had no podiums. The second stage, six races, next six races, six podiums, three of them are wins. And then you've got the last four races where they've had just one podium again. And that was Russell at Baku, which, let's face it, that was looking like it was going to be fifth until three laps to go.

So they started very poorly. They got there and then they've kind of drifted back again. They have been on the cusp quite a lot this year. I've always felt like they've had a gear missing compared to some of these other teams around them. And I'd just like to see them get back in the fight. Even if they don't win another race this year, if they're in the fight for wins, I think that's better than what they've shown the last few races. And of course, it coincides when they put the upgrades on the car as well.

They were going to put the upgrades on at Belgium. They took them off. They won that race. And then they pushed ahead with these upgrades after the summer break. They haven't really worked. So it'd be good if they understood those. Sam? Yeah, essentially a combination of what the two of you are saying here in the sense that

I think they're missing a gear. I think that little spell that we saw feels like the anomaly rather than the gorm for them. I don't think they're going to be able to get up to the pace of McLaren Ferrari, even Red Bull, who are still struggling and are coming through quite a tumultuous time. So eat the crumbs. These teams are dropping points off the sides of their tables. They are making mistakes.

They are not perfecting their races. They're not finishing as high as their cars allow on a regular base. basis, Mercedes need to do what Mercedes have actually done for the majority of this current regulation period. And that is be the ones to steal the podium, be the ones to be in the right place at the right time, much like we saw with George Russell at Baku or with how the teams have planned different strategies previously. Same at Austria, for example, be the ones there to pounce when mistakes are made. Because I really don't think on raw place alone, on raw strategy alone, on set up and understanding of their car alone.

They are able to compete at the moment with the other three teams. So they have to do the other thing. And that is wait for mistakes and pounce. So eat the crumbs. Good stuff. We've gone through four teams. I think we'll take our first break on this episode, but we've still got six teams to go.

Okay, welcome back, everyone. Time for Aston Martin. Harry, three words for them. Make Alonzo happy. Realistic expectations. Come on, Harry. I've gone with Clear the Pack. Sam?

Funny enough, mine is also Alonso-related. It says, get to Alonso's. Somehow that's more unrealistic than Harry's one. Harry, how do you make Alonzo happy? Do you feed him chocolate buttons? No, that is not the answer. That's me. We have 20 years of evidence.

That's not the answer. They're not going to make him truly, truly happy. But I think if you can give him a car that will, least for now, get into the points, give him something to fight with. That will, that will just tie him over. It's not where he wants to be, evidently, but tied him over for the rest of this year, maybe into next year. He knows the longer term goal is 26.

I think his mood's lifted slightly since, obviously, knew he's announced now. Just give him, and you can sort of tell he seems a little bit happy on social media because they're in the fight. We've got a long way to go, all that jazz. But I just think when he's got a car. that is at least now we can fight. If he has a car

that can fight with the top 10, I know it's still the lower end of the top 10 currently, but at least he's in that mix. Ferrari was only three seconds up the road

from him in Singapore. Just keep them happy. Keep him happy. Sam, you're going to pound land trying to find another Fernando Alonzo? Yeah, two for one place.

So I'm going to buy four. Honestly, I think they need to be looking for a stroll replacement. We've said it, many time throughout this season that if they had two Alonso's in the car and they're essentially doubling the points tally, essentially, you know, Alonso's points times two rather than what stroll has plus Alonso's. I'm not saying that they would be progressing themselves up the table,

but every single race that we get, every single championship fight they have, they stand such a better chance of being competitive, fighting for longer, pushing themselves forward. You only have to look at what Colopinto has brought to Williams this season over Logan Sargent. to see what a difference it can make. The whole team feel buoyed. They all feel excited. They're being pushed forward. They're motivated.

Ashton Martin are permanently stuck with 50% of a weight tying them down. You know, it's like they've got a dumbbell tied to their left leg. It's never going to be successful. You never going to win a running race where you've got a dumbbell on one foot. And also is there with this Nike trainer trying to run as fast as he can and strolls there with a 20 kilogram weight just being dragged. dragged along behind. Like anywhere else,

stroll could be very, very good. I believe that very much so. But he's holding that team back. The car, of course, will change and develop when Adrian Ui comes in. That bit settled.

They just should take time. But what's the point in having the best designer in the world if 50% of the team can't actually use the tools that are being given? I've gone with clear the pack

because whilst they are finding a way, or let's face it, Fernando Alonzo is finding a way to be the head of that midfield, it's not very easy, is it? Barring any very weird circumstances, this team is stuck in fifth this year. I mean, they're not going to get anywhere near Mercedes at this point,

but realistically, they're not going to get caught by anyone behind them either. Fernando Alonzo, he was, I think, the lead of the midfield in both Baku and Singapore, so he is getting himself into those positions, but he is having to fight off the likes of Albin, Colopinto, Holcomburgh to get those results. I think Aston Martin would be at least somewhat satisfied if it was, a little bit easier for him to do that. And that might also get Stroll at least back into the conversation as well. Because as the car has got worse throughout this year,

Stroll has also got worse. Like he hasn't scored in his last five races. There's only four drivers that haven't scored in their last five races. Sonoda, who, let's face it, Stroll yeated out of Baku and the two salvers. So along with Stroll. So getting him back in, at least in the fight for these top 10 positions, would be a small victory for us to mind for the rest of this year.

R.B. Unless replace Daniel Ricardo is written down, then that one's already done, so you know, you can forget that one. Harry, three word for RB. Rewind to March. Great. And what's surely we want to do it all again, mate?

No, I'll explain myself in a minute. It brings out of the bloody Tardis. Sam. I've gone full Essex for this one and just said, Saw it at. How are you spelling? I've actually written it down how I spell it, so I remembered, and it's A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-O-O-O-O-U-T.

I didn't realize it was an only, I thought it'd just be a. A-E-E-H-E. Like one of those rainsticks you turn over and they go, Oh, what is the opposite of AS-M-R? Anyone in America blink twice if you understand what just happens. Don't restrict it to them. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, fair enough.

My one is top 10 Sonoda that I'll explain in a little bit as well. Harry, go and kick us off. When I say rewined to March, I just mean regain the form that RB had in March. Top five, mate. Top five, won't? Oh, no. Oh, no, no, no.

But, you know, the start of the season, at least for Sonoda, the car was better and they were scoring some points. They need that form back because of the moment, Ricardo issues aside, the car's a bit poopy and it's not been good for a while. Ever since they brought those upgrades on,

do you remember? Yeah. Been terrible since that moment. Spanish robbery. Yeah, take them off. Doom since. Take him off. But yeah, it's regained that form from March. There also got a new drive coming in with Liam Lawson. Time to regain some form of some points. Yeah, I've got,

I've gone top 10 Sonoda, which is alliteration, even if it doesn't sound like it. I don't really care if they finish 6'4-7th because, quite honestly, I don't think they care. Which, from an individual basis, that's not fair, because I'm sure the individuals within the team will want to finish it. I mean, more from like a macro organisation level. They don't really care about which position they finish in. And that's why I've gone for more of a personal achievement for Yuki Sonoda instead. He's currently 12th in the driver's championship on 22 points. but he's only two points behind Stroll in 11th and Holkenberg in 10th.

If Sonoda was able to overhaul both of those drivers and finish for the first time in the top 10 in the driver's championship, that would represent a good year. And in fairness, even if he doesn't do that and he finishes 12th, that would still represent his best year in F1 to this point. So he would need to overcome a poor car. To your point, Harry, 18 races, we can just split it down the middle. First nine races, the team had 28 points. Second nine, six.

it hasn't been very good. And they've got none in the last four as well. So obviously the second seat, Liam Lawson, maybe we have to manage expectations with him because it's so late into the season. But with Sonoda at least, I'd like to see if he can kick on.

Sam? Yeah, so get out. If you're going to make this mid-season swat, a three-quarter season swap with Daniel Ricahoe to Lawson, you need to commit to the full bit, right? At the start of the season, before we mentioned it,

it's a fifth place is on the country. cards, you know, we'll be there. No, cars are they're rubbish. Your development's in the Bing. You've got no idea what you're doing with that development. You've made a change in the driver. Red Bullers of family are in turmoil or they're all over the place. Don't just be resting on your laurels that you've gone, cool with many a driver swap. They're not going to be good enough because you'll come back in a year's time and you'll find that, why isn't Liam Lawson absolutely smashing this? Why is he not regularly inside the top 10? So Goda was all right at the start of the last year. Where is it? You need to fix so many ground

rooted issues that are causing you to struggle do not just rest on a driver swap. The car needs of changing in direction. I think the hierarchy maybe needs some readaption. Get a new sponsor and a new team name for Christ's sake. Honestly, I agree with you. I don't care if they're six, seven, eight, whatever it might be. Take this opportunity. Go become fresh.

Redo everything. And then you can enter 2025, hopefully a bit more positive and with a direction. next team in the immortal words of Liv Laf Latifie has oh it's still so good nice Sam what have you got hit and miss Harry let Hulk cook and I've gone with Kamatsu's sixth sense Sam go ahead

A lot of their seasons so far has been very hit and miss it seems that one track they'll turn up to and both cars will be pushing for the points on a regular basis especially Holkenberg who has been phenomenal this season. And you know, KMAG's had his moments. KMAG really has been box office in certain moments. And yet sometimes they'll turn up and the car can't seem to get out of Q1 barely. They can't seem to get close to the points. It seems they very much don't understand what now they've got past the tire problem. They don't seem to understand what the positives and negatives of their

car actually are. And even tracks that they think they might not perform at. So I mean, they do perform at. And it's quite bizarre for them to see their direction of form. They're very up and down. So for the final six races, stop being hit and miss. Stop having this uncertainty every single time we turn up to a racetrack and just start to work out now as we're going to the new season because I really simply don't think that'll ask care if they beat Williams or R.B or if actually R. B Williams B or whatever. I think they're like actually, I think they'd rather go into 2025 and go, we're consistent. We've got direction and we're moving forward. And now is the time to work that out and to judge it. Just try and get some consistency in the bag and understand your

developmental direction. You've got driver signed as well. It feels like you're going in the right direction. Just get the car bit right. Yeah, I've gone with Kamatsu's sixth sense because I do think six is there for the taking. And there are only three points behind RB. And I do agree with the overall notion of if they were to finish

seventh, it's been a far better year than any of us thought it was going to be. We will replay our preseason predictions at some point. And they won't be pretty because we all thought they were going to suck. We all thought they were going to be 10th. And that's not going to happen unless Salba really, really have a great end of the season. I'll win the last six score on three. I've just realized I've forgotten Salba on my list. That's savage.

I know. Three words be, I forgot. Yeah. I forgot you. Yeah. Okay. I'll do that. But yeah, I think Sixth is there for the taking.

And actually, since they struggled a bit between Hungary and the Netherlands. But since then, they've been a bit better again. So Monza, they only scored. a point, but they probably should have scored more. Of course, Magnuson had the penalty, which cost him one, and Holkenberg should have been in that mix, and he wasn't. Baku, they only scored a point again, but both drivers were in the mix there. And of course, last time out with Holkenberg and Singapore, he scored two points.

So, again, they're only three behind R.B. Who are not doing a very good job. So that position is there for the taking. If they were to finish sixth, that would be their second best result ever as a team, only matched, only beaten by 2018. and if they were to claim seven more points, which again feels realistic, that would be their best result since 2018.

So it's fair play to Kamatsu. He's cooked. Harry? Mine is just, Nikko Hockenberg is working for deliveroo at this point. He is delivering. And Hass just needs to give him, A, the car to do it,

as you said, sometimes a bit hit and miss. And B, the strategy. We saw in Singapore, they got a little bit out of Fox. when they probably should have been higher up, at least in front of Valso. So, yeah, K-Mag, he's checked out. I don't know what he's doing. But Holkberg is your man here,

and he've only gotten for a few more races. Give him the tools to do the job because at the moment he will deliver it for you. Williams. Sam, what have you got? Season just started. I've gone with Avoid driver drama. Harry? I've gone for Keep going, lads.

Brackets. And last says. Is lads spoke with an S or a Z, a Z, obviously? Correct. Thank you. You can stay. Sam. Yeah, season just started. What a wasted first off the season it was.

We said it so many times. Why did you keep Logan Sargent in the car? This is even an insult at Logan Sargent, right? The car wasn't there either, right? No, the car wasn't there either, but at least in the moments where it was, if you had two fully running drivers that actually could compete, like you do now,

you could be a bit closer to the likes of Hars and RBE, genuinely. might have stolen the odd point away from them earlier on in the season, and then you might have have proper chances to move up to the likes of sixth or seventh in the championship. It's still an uphill battle for you. The car is now starting to get better. It looks like they found their developmental direction, which is fantastic. Colopinto, what absolute Riz King. Absolutely love that little guy, and I hope he keeps delivering. Albon, he's having a winged at the moment, but for the most part, he's still delivering, and you've got a respect to hustle he's had to put in a car that's been

bloody terrible. It's just so frustrating that only now, with about six races to go, they finally found their feet. They finally got the direction of the car moving. They finally feel like they're a human-faulted side there. The sergeant decision, I think, will haunt them for the rest of the season. Yeah, I've gone with Avoid Driver Drama. The car is looking much better than it has at any point in this season. And it bodes well for next season. I'm not too fussed about whether they've left it too late to catch R.B. or Hasse at this point. it's all about the future. So, and it looks good for the future at this stage.

I'm not sure how much. There might just be a few nerves at Williams creeping in about Colopinto because it is, as we said before, it's a good problem to have in that if anything happens to the other two drivers, you know you've got a great driver to step in. But that's if he's matching Albon, which he has to this point. Like Baku, Albon, narrowly beats Colopinto. That was only Colapito's second race.

If Colopinto head-to-head starts beating Albin. I'm not saying that will affect the decision for next year, but Albin's going to start feeling a little bit, even if he has no reason to be, a little bit hot under the colour. Like, he's going to be, yeah, don't love that. Especially if Sykes turns around next year and wallops him. Yeah, I'm just, I think Williams will kind of be hoping that,

we're really glad Colopinto's doing well, but we kind of need Albin to be at least as good as him. and as, look, we haven't seen Colopinto be better than Albin yet. That hasn't happened, but it might. It's quite close, though, isn't it? It was close to back it and we never really saw it in Singapore. And Monsas are right off. Well, yeah, we'll discard Monsa completely.

Six races to go, three sprints still to go. There's a lot of track time. Albin just needs to be at the very least on a level playing field. And I think he will, but there might just be a few nerves. Harry? mine's sort of in line with your Sam in that yeah it's you've got a car now you've got your driver line up sorted you've got a car now that seems to be working keep going keep doing what you're doing keep pushing on like I said to Ben I don't think it's going to make too much of a difference if they can catch

RBE and co in the remainder of the season but just for a confidence and morale point of view it's been a tough year for Williams off the back of what was looking like an improving trajectory this one's been a bit of a dip I think and if they can finish it on a high, then that'll be a good thing moving into 25. The penultimate team will be looking at, or the last team, if you're Harry Ead. Alpine.

Sam, what have you got? Scrap heap challenge. There. I've gone with powerless and confused. Oh, Harry, I've put give up, gang. Give up, my guy. Four words, but we'll allow. Sam, what have you got?

Yeah, scrap heap challenge. Much like the game show that used to be on television, it feels like they're driving around. What a show that was. Sorry. What a show that was. It was so good. So good banger. Bring it back. Yeah, it feels like they're driving around in absolute heap. It's got no direction. It's been built out of old parts that someone's chucked together in a workshop. And actually, the foreboding news, of course, that they are selling off pieces that are quite integral to the overall French contingent that is the Renault-Alpine team. They need to consolidate. They need to get their act together

and they need to work out what's their identity? What are they aiming for? What are the directions they're going to take? Stop scrambling around in the dark. Stop trying to find the light switch. You know, walk out into the sun and work out where you're bloody going with this now.

Six races to go. The season's a right off. But at least you've got gasoline locked in. I'm sure Jack Dewin will be all right. At least he's got a rookie year in a time where you can start to rebuild. But get your direction sorted. The rest of the season can be a right off.

He doesn't really matter. But just stop mucking about. trying to fit on new parts, so you ain't got a clue what they're doing with no bloody staff members. So get a plan together. Take your time with it and actually action upon it, please. Harry, I'm not sure you should give up the day job

to pursue motivational speaker. But what's your three words? Give up, gang, Alpin gang, give up on this year because it's been terrible. Come back next year, maybe come up in 2026, I don't know. This year's been a write-off and the last few races aren't going to be any better. sorry to say.

No podiums in 2024, I don't think. So yeah. Have they had a top eight? I don't know. They've had some knives, but I don't even know if they had a top eight. I'll go with no. Yeah. It's not been one to write home about.

And my point is, I just don't see it going to get. Some weekends are a bit better. Like you say, you might score a point or two. The rest of the time, they look like garbage. So just give up on this one. They looked. okay enough at one point. You remember, I know Monaco didn't go very well for them, of course, particularly Estabana

Ocon, who, you know, doesn't have a job anymore. But around that time, they were quite consistently getting some Q3 appearances and they were fighting with Aston Martin. You remember Miami, Ocon and Alonzo were quite close there. Like, there was something. And then it's just gone away again. I lost it again. Yeah, well done.

Well done happening. Yeah, I've gone with powerless and confused because they are. are powerless and they don't know what to do about it. I could have said something to do with them scoring points, but honestly, I just don't have any faith in them to do so. I've put them under pressure for the last two races, and it's amounted to nothing.

So I'm done with them in terms of a performance standpoint, but they just need to make a decision on what they're doing in terms of these power units. I would, of course, much rather they stay as a true constructor, a true factory team. But either way, make your mind up, because it is just causing panic, striking, distress within the team. It's not good for anyone.

So, Flavio, make you cool. Don't mind what it is. Just make you call. And let's move on. Leaving us with, at least for me and Sam, Salma. Sorry, guys. Harry, what's your three words, mate? Pray for Audi.

Sam. Waste of emissions. Also fair. Signed Taylor. classic. Harry, why do we need to pray for Audi? They need to pray that Audi have all the money and all the resource to make a toaster into a car

because Salba are not capable of kick, steak, whatever we call them currently, and the current guys are not capable of it. And that car, I think that car might be one of the worst cars we've seen in the last since the manor days. Salber manor, like... Yeah, like 2015, 16 maybe. It's...

catering will be proud. It would be. They're doing the catering people. Tony Fernandez is really happy. Finn bars just jump through the roof. Oh, Finbar. Yeah, they just need to pray that... Again, the same as Al being this season, whatever, it's a right off.

They need to pray that everything's getting into place for Aldi because they, boy, do they need it. Yeah, I've unsurprisingly gone with Signed. Teo Porcère. Shock. Yeah, fortunately for you all, I'll keep it fairly brief, but I just want to read out some names here. I'm going to read out the seven youngest drivers

to ever win the F2 championship, or GP2. Charles LeClaire, Nico Rosberg, Teo Porchere, Oscar Piastri, George Russell, Pierre Gasley, and Lewis Hamilton. Pretty good list. Six of them have raced in F1. Six of them have won races in F1.

Two of them are champions. One of them has never raced in the sport. That man is Teo Porcher. The resume, Look at it. Goodness sake, Zahua. Sam.

Pack it in. Don't bother. Go home. Turn up next year. Obviously, absolutely waste of space. Wasting my time talking about. Wasting my time. My time's very valuable, Salba.

I've got better news. I just looked up. Scrap-peep Challenge apparently is going to be rebooted. Are we the hosts? No, but Robert Luellen, the original host. He was saying it's going to be called Zap-Peep Challenge because it's going to be focused on electric cars. I hate that, though.

I don't want that. I don't want that. It's still scrap, but Zach. You've sent me a roller coaster right there. You've been right up to the drop and then I've been thrown down the hill. I've hated that. Well, we're going to have a fight in the break, apparently.

But on the other side, we've got some comments from Christian Horner on George Russell. Head into these comments from Christian Horner. Harry, mate, I have a real problem. Uh-oh. Oh, do you, mate? I do. Oh, what's the matter?

Have you ever had this real little canons? a real dilemma where you absolutely love a podcast. I mean properly love a podcast and you want to show them some love. But I've got all these stars around me and I just don't know what to do with them. Where can I leave them, Harry? I wonder where this is coming because I literally have not a few reviews for a while. So I knew Ben was lining this up. Ben, I can tell you, I can solve all your problems, mate, because you can take your

And you can slam them down. One, two, three, four, five and leave a five-star review for us. Boom. Boom, folks. What should I write in that review? Write whatever you want. You're a waste of emissions. I don't care. Five-star review.

Zapping challenge. Any of the above will work. All of those things. But as long as there's a five-star, we don't care. Right. Baseline junkie. Some niche reference of conversation we had earlier on. yeah folks five star reviews they really really help us out uh because they make us our

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like I said write whatever you want Zappib challenge waste of emissions anything thank you in advance absolutely love that onto Christian Horner because Mercedes team boss no what's that

yeah swift transition Mercedes team boss Toto Wolf believes that Christian Horner is stirring poo up. He didn't say poo. By name checking George Russell as a future Red Bull option. He said,

Christian Horner said, look, we're not afraid to go out of the pool. George Russell is at a contract at the end of next year. It would be foolish not to take that into consideration. Sam, is Christian Horner playing some games or is this a serious option? I mean, he's a little joker,

isn't he? He's a little joke there's old Christian Horner. He is like, he's the Rattleman. master is Christian Gorman. He absolutely loves getting under your skin. The only thing he likes more than playing with people is Coco Popes. Exactly.

He loves Cocoa Pops. Move on. Yeah, he's a little Joker he is. So he absolutely loves winding people up. So I think he's definitely got on to the fact that Toto Walspring, having a couple of little digs recently about Mercedes and how they compare to Red Bull, how Red Bull have fallen off the top here. But equally, I don't think Red Bull would look away from George Russell

as an actual potential driver in the world of transfers that we've got at the moment. We've seen the disorganisation. We've seen the tumultuous times that they're going through. We've seen they don't know what drivers should fit in where. George Russell, he could be quite good at the F-1. He really is the burglar. And he feels like he's in a songer and he's driving with oversteer and understeer. The guy is also a comedian with those radio mesquies.

and Red Bull could do with a bit of a lighthearted touch. Obviously, they need something to go well there away. So, obviously, yeah, why wouldn't they consider him? Why wouldn't they look at him? I think it's a bit coy, a bit cheeky, to bring it out into the media all of a sudden like that. And that bit, I think, is entirely because they've gone, one, oh, I'll wind up Toto Wolf, because that's just great banter.

Two, maybe they thought, has George Russell ever seriously considered that we might think he's a serious option? And by putting this into kind of the ether, into the world, have we kind of thought, oh, it might just be a little kind of earworm. Might have just playing on the mind a little bit, but actually it's not impossible. I think it's quite a clever ploy,

but at the end of the day, I think he's doing it to be a little cheeky bugger. Is he being a cheeky little bugger, Harry? He's been a great cheeky boy, isn't he? Ah, yeah, this, I'm not mad at this at all from Christian Hodder. Hey, firstly, why not? Why not say this? it's well known that Toto Wolf has been chirps in Matt for Staffen for a seat for a while now

and this is a bit of bit of payback on that one. How serious about it are he is? I don't know, but it's not the worst idea in the world for for Red Bull for Katrina or a 26 lineup of well, if they don't get Vastappan, Vastappan and Russell is pretty tasty. And if it is to repeat, you know, a swap with Vastappen if he ends up going to Mercedes, then that's still, you know, it's not a bad, bad little swap. Yeah, so I kind of respect, respecting putting it out there.

And yeah, it was, you know, they just love to wind each other up, those two. They're like the Hamilton and Alonzo of team principals. They just wind each other up on a daily basis. So it's a bit of, a bit of, a bit of what, you know, gamesmanship there, but how serious it is,

remains to be seen. I also think this was at the time we were watching this when we're on the TV, he was being grilled about Daniel Ricardo. I think there was a little bit of deflection in there to get the heat off and something else because Nico Rosberg's eyes lit up

when he said that. So I think there was a bit of that involved. But again, it doesn't mean it's not a serious consideration. And yeah, why wouldn't it be? Yeah, this is one of those classic answers of it's both, isn't it?

He's playing games, but at the same time, I think he's being deadly serious about this. Yeah, he should absolutely be considering George Russell. And it is quite clever of Christian Horner just to throw it in there, like quite nonchalantly almost, like a throwaway comment at the end of a question about someone else completely,

because he wants George Russell to think that Red Bull could be on his rate, like he wants to make George Russell inadvertently aware that it could be an option for him. And I said it when we were giving our three-word summaries about Red Bull, that they need to seriously consider what their future look like because you've got Norris and Piastri at McLaren. That's a good lineup that could see you through for a number of years. Antonelli is now going to Mercedes.

That's their future. Bearman is going to Hasse, who eventually might well go to Ferrari. That's their future. Alonzo, obviously, he's not going to go anywhere anytime soon because of Adrian Newe come in there. So you look at what the open market could be like at the end of 2020. there might not be that many options out there if you're someone like Christian Horner. So George Russell should be right towards the top of who you're considering.

And the whole Vestappen thing, whether Vestappen does eventually move away to Mercedes, regardless of that, you know, as you kind of said, Harry, if Vestappen moves away, then you need to replace him. And even if he doesn't, that second seat is not secure by anyone at the moment. So I think him being considered works both ways. And from George Russell's perspective, and I think he is pretty sharp and he should be sharp because, and I've said it before, I said again, if Antonelli matches him or very nearly matches him next year and Vestappen wants to go to Mercedes, Russell's gone. He's not staying there. Toto Wolf will pick Vestappan and an upcoming Antonelli above George Russell.

I am fairly convinced of that. in which case George Russell needs to assess what options are out there for him. So we're still on Red Bull actually. They've had a lot of a time. So much airtime this week. Bloody hell, boy. Oh, yeah. Come on.

Spocks from the show. Yeah, well. Plister. No. Because another member of the team has left. This was actually referenced by USAM on the last episode. But Will Cotonos left the team to join McLaren as his new sporting director. He was chief strategist at Red Bull.

And he was there for a very. long time, so long. In fact, that when he started, the team wasn't called Red Bull. He started when the team was Jaguar over 20 years ago. So it's not like they're losing someone who's been in the building five minutes, Sam. This is a fairly big deal, is it not? This is, you start playing battleships and they finally got the fifth one on the really long battleship. You said, my battleship, Red Bull have just been taking blow after blow this season. Honestly, outside of the racetrack, it is being a really tough time for Red Bull. The scandal, with Horner, losing Nui, losing so many of their senior staff, and now they lose the guy

that's essentially one of the founding fathers in some respects, if you're going to put it that way, the experience that this removes from their team. And not only removes is going directly to the rival that's just overtaken them in terms of car progression, points scored, pretty driver lying up at this point. Genuinely, this could not be a more difficult blow to absorb. It just shows you the state that Red Bull are in right now. They're going through such a difficult time. They can't seem to pour themselves together. People seen many years ago when Moseegis were going through this dominant force,

the amount of people that were jumping Mercedes and other neighboring teams to go to Red Bull. Like that was the buildup. That was the mounting. Everyone was climbing together. They were going to sum it together, put their flag on the top and be the champions. You know what? They did that. They've achieved it.

It has come crumbling down so quickly because apparently that mountain was built on sand. And the tide's coming and there ain't no foundations. and you're losing it all so, so quickly. You know, Rome wasn't built on a day, but they're destroying it fast enough. It is falling apart there, and this is one of the most difficult things that I think they can absorb

because I think they maybe thought they stem the flow. No, no, it's another one that's gone. Brilliant signing for McLaren, absolutely sensational. To take Red Bull's head of strategy, one of Red Bull's strongest elements in terms of the sport, they've always been,

hanging shoulders above their capacity when it comes to strategy maneuvers. So have such a sharp mind that understands the game so, well, go to someone like McLaren who are clearly forming a brilliant culture. Brilliant sign. Absolutely stupendous signing. Really, really, I think they pull that one out of the bag.

If you look at recent times for Red Bull, obviously, as reference, this isn't the first big time move away from Red Bull for someone who's been there a long time. If you look at him, Willowell, you look at Jonathan Wheatley, you look at Rob Marshall, who's now at McLaren, and you look at Adrian Newey, who of course will be going to Astor Marston. in, just four people, and they've all left this team within the last 12 months or so. They have collectively worked for Red Bull for 75 years. It is ridiculous how much experience they have leaving their doors through just four people. And I think if it's won by itself, so like Jonathan Wheatley, I said at the time,

I don't necessarily think that was down to Red Bull. I think that was an opportunity to be a team principal, which he was never going to get a Red Bull. Like if it's that one by itself, you just put that down to the ambitions of an individual. But four, again, this has happened within like 12 months. I think it speaks volumes. Also, at some point, we do just need to acknowledge that actually Adrian Newey is not the goat of F1. It's Rob Marshall. Man moves to McLaren and they're the goats.

Goat Marshall. That's what I'm calling for that way. Yes. Go on, Rob. Rob. Rob is the only sport where a guy called Rob Marston. He sounds like he should be a scaffolder. He is on the side.

Rob Lashu is everywhere, guys. Come on, lad. Yeah. For the robs. Big up, Rob. And the other, the worst thing for Red Bull, I think, is not that these guys are left, but you'll remember when Jonathan Wheatley left, not that long ago. Christian Horner set out on a plan of, okay, how do I rebuild the team from here?

And there was very much an objective of restructuring the team. We know that GP, Lambiasi, he's just out of promotion. So he's been putting all of these changes in the works. And you can just imagine that he's put down his pen like, right, that's it. That's the team. Whoa. Boss, I'm thinking of leaving. God damn.

Like, it couldn't be worse time for him. So back to the drawing board, I guess, for Christian Horner. But this is... Hanger Schmitz get promoted. I mean, that's the obvious one, surely. I mean, you would think so, right? Next week, Hanger Schmidt's leads for Farras. Goodness me, do they need her?

No, honestly, that would be like God and Mary and Jesus will arrive at the same look. Lecler and Halton, a punch in the air. Yes! I don't want that to happen because the minute she steps in the door at Marinello, her head would explode. She's too good for that.

I think it would be then. It would be when the first race on the pit wall and they were all trying to do ridiculous things. She's like, what? What are you trying to do? One guy was making bowling age. With a hob. This is correct, Hannah?

Plan L minus four. We've got two plans. Plan A, one stop. Plan B, two stop. No, we don't like that. I'll bring it the flower. Oh, yeah. I couldn't do that to her.

No, no, fair enough. What are your thoughts on the move, Harry? Yeah, not too much more to say than what you guys said. The, the, I think the moves, the move and the other moves have to be seen in the, yeah, the context of what's happened. And there's a lot of depth of Red Bull. I still believe there is a lot of depth of Red Bull of people and talent. But they are, they have lost a big chunk of talent, chunk of talent and experience.

As you said, Ben, with the amount of years they've combined to work there. And yeah, this one will, it will, it will hurt them, no doubt. And yeah, I'm sure Hannah Schmidt will take, take on the mantle very well. But it's got to sting a bit as well. because he's gone off to, gone off to McLaren. And as you said, some of them, it's a good signing. So, yeah, there's, there's, look, it was, F1 teams, they change all the time. And these sorts of things happen.

You see it in the, the, Ferrari, when Schumacher left Ferrari in 06. It was quite a mass exodus of people. Ross Braun left the year after Jean-Tot also left. Roy Byrne also left. Like the whole, you know, the whole team of people that left when Schumacher left, or had been there, sorry, left when he left. And there wasn't an immediate downfall, but because obviously they're 1 in 07

and were there for constructors in 08, but there's a decline. And I think that's, it's not going to be an immediate rebel or done, but this is going to hurt because they're going to take some time. It's going to take some time for them to rebuild what they had in terms of that experience and talent. So I don't expect this to be like next year they can't do strategy anymore.

And the same way next year that the car will be really slow. I just think this will start. we'll see this maybe in a year or two's time. I think the Ferrari comparison is really interesting because you look at the prompts for similar things happening, say 15, 20 years apart. Do you think like with Ferrari, it was very much centered around Schumacher's leaving, this is the end of the era? Because that's not what's happening here, right?

Yeah, I mean, that's a valid, but Schumacher was going. I think Ross Braun obviously went at the same time. And it was end of era of vibes, wasn't it? They'd been there for 10 years. you'd have to say in this scenario Adrian Newey maybe is that the Schumacher character here I'm not saying they're all directly related

but you just when one goes it makes other people think then they start to question and go and other teams sense sense opportunities like you know well Rossborn did a year out fishing but then he actually went to sign for Honda like a year or not even a year after so

other teams start to sniff opportunities when when the old guard start to start to fall away. So there are similarities, but yeah, I've maybe say I knew is that person in that scenario. Okay, let's take the final break on this episode. On the other side, show me the options. Way. Nice. Everyone, it's time. Let's show me the options. Way! think it could be the bangor of the summer.

It hits off the year. It hits so hard. It slaps. So it will be a rescue for how hard it slaps. Right. Show me the options. There are six questions in front of me. Harry and Sam will go up against each other.

Take it in turns for these questions. They have a choice. They can either try and answer the question as soon as they hear it, in which case they get it right, they get two points. But if they would like a little bit more help, they can say those immortal words, show me the options, at which point I will give them

multiple choice, three potential answers. If they pick the right one of those three, they get one point. Of course, they don't answer the question correctly at any point, no points.

Sam, kick us off. One, please. One, straight in there. Who has the most wins for McLaren? That is a very good question, man. I like that you've asked it. That's all right, mate.

I'm going to say it's Show me my options time. Yay! Your options are David Kulthard, Ed and Senna, and Lewis Hamilton. I'm a Sanger.

Sennar is the correct answer. Well done. Sennar 35 wins. Hamilton 21. Coolthard. 12. 12. disappointing.

Very, very similar to Erton Sanger, one of the greats. Yeah, very much so. Sam's on the board with one point, Harry, over to you. Number four, please. Yep, your five out of six potential of getting that was good, yep. Great. Who won the 1997 European Grand Prix? You've got this, mate.

It was... This is Harry E. Daly. you own this. You own this. I'll give it three seconds so the light bulb goes. Mika Hakenen.

Yeah, I was right. Yeah. The microwave finished. We've, we've heated up. And the ball's open.

I am Alonso. Yes, it was Mika Hacconan. Well done. Of course, Villeneuve and Schumacher had a little coming together in that.

I don't remember his fault that was. Harry did you? No, 50-50, actually. It's a lot. Audacity. Oh, we're dive bombing him for.

Come on. Come on, Jacques. Hey, I mean, that incident was very similar to the Hamilton-Bastapa one in Hungary, I love you know. You seem you'll make comparisons. Yes. Oh, dear. Right, Harry takes the lead.

Two, one. Sound back to you. Number two. Who is the oldest living F-1 champion? Oh, bloody hell. Fitto. Fittipaldi. Fitto. It's not the correct, Dan.

You are very unfortunate, but you'll be glad you didn't say, show me the options because one of your options would have been fitterpard. Okay, that always makes me feel better that is the one I was going to say, so fine. Is it Kimmy Reikinen?

Kimmy Reikinen at 96 is correct. No, it is actually, Harry, any of this? No, I'm probably wouldn't have fit to boldly. Jackie Stewart. Oh, of course. Oh, he's older than Fittor, yeah. Yeah, Jackie Stewart, 85, Fittipaldi is 77.

So, Harry, back to you? Number six, please. Number six, which driver raced the most seasons before becoming a champion? Show me my options. Hey! Your options are... Nicky Lauda. Nikolauda.

Mika Hakenen and Doctor... Nigel Mansell. That's a Russian because I wasn't say Jen's Button. I would say, yeah. Who,

it's, who's, oh, I couldn't, or, or Dr. Nijj. Is it Mansell?

It is Mansell. You're right. Yeah, 13 seasons before he won the championship. Button, I think, would have been about nine, something like that.

Yeah, 2000 to 09, so that makes sense. Yeah. And he missed one year, right? So, That would be 10 seasons minus 1 for 9, I think.

He wasn't one of the options I've ridden. J.B. missed a year. Did he miss a year? I don't think so. Did he not? Did he do 01? Yeah, he was in a Benetton. Ah, yeah, he was, wouldn't he?

I bet you told you. Yeah. He's not right answer anyway. It doesn't matter. Relative conversation. Completely irrelevant. So, yeah, that is another point. 3-1.

Back to you, Sam. 3. Number 3. Where did Lewis Hamilton qualify for his first ever race in F1? Oh, bloody L. P4. Bang on, sir, P4 is right. Yeah, had a pretty good start of that Australian Grand Prix, didn't he?

It did, yeah. I couldn't remember if it was front row or not, but yeah, P4. Which means we are now at three, three. We go back to Harry number. five. Number five, please, Ben. Number five.

Who is the youngest podium sitter of all time? You only need one point to win it, mate. I'll show me my options. Yes, it's the clever mathematical play. Well done.

Yeah, why done. Your options are Landstrol, Max Vastappen, and Fernando Alonzo. One of these is not like the other. I'm going to say Vestappen. It is Vastappen. It's only just for Stappen.

Stappen, though. I didn't actually write down the dates, but he's, Stroll very nearly got it, but it was Vestappan. Very nearly got nothing else, either. Yeah, I mean, Vestappans was a win as well, so it's more impressive. That's fair. That Spain race really was something special at the

time. I thought about this yesterday, what a bizarre thing to happen. He literally, that's his first race for the team, and he won it. Yeah, it wasn't even like they were the favourites either. He just turned up and won it. It was amazing. Fortunately, the Mercedes imploded, but still. I haven't seen that race in a long time

Maybe that's a that's a Patreon historic race I know why we're banned from doing anything that's not banned by you I've seen too many Vastapa wings in the page Yeah there's no more no more None allowed It'd be a shame if we went too far back And saw one of Yoss

No never mind you didn't have any of me Oh dear Oh dear Oh dear Right so Harry takes a close win A good four game That won four three in the end Love that.

That was a good show of my auctions. Well done. That's going to do it, I think, for this episode. I came out there for a moment. Oh, I was getting ready for, I'm so confused about what day. It's not actually Sunday when we record this, folks. I was about to get ready for a question of the week, but it's a Sunday, so. Maybe Sunday of the week twice in one week.

No, I've gone off the rails. I might be the binger. Anyway. Would you calm down? Yeah, a lunatic. Josh. Well, one more thing before we go. As part of Patreon perks,

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