The Late Braking F1 Podcast - Haas sign Ollie Bearman on MULTI-YEAR deal - a good choice?

Episode Date: July 10, 2024

Ben, Sam AND Harry are here in the calm after the triple header with the latest F1 news. They cover the announcement of Ollie Bearman to Haas, Perez's performance woes, rumours of a mid-season switch at Williams, and the departure of Ferrari technical director Enrico Cardile. They finish with a game of F1: Higher/Lower... FOLLOW us on socials! You can find us on YouTube, Instagram, X (Twitter) and TikTok SUPPORT our Patreon for bonus episodes, historic race reviews & more! JOIN our Discord community JOIN our F1 Fantasy League: SIGN UP & create your team, and JOIN our league (join code: C3PHEQHPU04) BUY our Merch SEND us something! We have a brand new PO box - address: Late Braking Podcast, PO Box 821, TRURO TR1 9PE EMAIL us at [e-mail] & SUBSCRIBE to our podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 Podcast. Make sure to check out new episodes every Wednesday and every Sunday. Very warm welcome to the late breaking F1 podcast presented by Harry Ead, Sam Sage and me, Ben Hocking. It's a very odd episode, Sam. Well, they are all odd to be fair, but it's odd because this is the first time in a while that it's not a preview and it's not a review.

I can't believe we're back to no race. sweet kens. We've just got to do normal Formula One. What do you mean? I can't talk about a race. I guess we have to talk about something else. What should we talk about? What did you have for dinner today, Ben?

What did I have the dinner? Had sweet potato and mushroom pasta. That is a bizarre concoction. How was it? Excellent. We do it quite regularly. It's one of my favorites. Post the recipe, my guy.

What do you have? What sauce do you have for that? Yeah, what's the sauce? Come on. Give us some details. Well, it's, um, there isn't really a sort. So the sweet potato is like...

It's the sauce. Yeah, yeah. It is the sauce. I'm so confused. Okay. It's very good. What about you? What of you have for dinner?

I had a chicken Caesar salad. I've got that tomorrow. Deloiful. Lovely. To bring it back to F1 related, but still odd things. Have any of you seen some of the drivers being interviewed in the pen? And then Brad Pitt is just walking in behind. Have you seen Fando once?

We're like, who the F is that guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so confused. It's like, not a driver. But he's like 17 years older than me. Have you seen the fake social media posts they've done about? Yeah, that's very interesting. The whole thing is interesting. I don't know, did you cover this at all in the review about...

No, we've not talked about Apex. What are your thoughts on the trailer? It's a trailer. Certainly trails. I know what it's about, thanks to the title. Guys, guys, everyone else is really good on the straits, so they need to be good in the corners, okay? Yeah, but...

No, no, no, not in the corner, in the turns. That's the real name for them. That's real knowledge in terms. How are we going to do that safely? We're not. We're not. We don't do safety. We don't do safety at Apex GP.

I also love the idea that their search engine optimization, God, this is lame. When someone searches F1, where's the film going to be, on Google. Nowhere near the top, is it? Because it's a sport with the same name.

That's like calling a film, Premier League. It's NFL. It's going to not be it. Where's your marketing gun? I was very annoyed by the game change. But also,

if you are listening, and you're going to invite us at the red car. No, no one's listening anymore, mate. It's true. We talked about whatever past is you add. Sweet potato mush and Apex G. Apex G.

I'd like to go. to the red carpet event, please. Just once. Right, I'm exhausted already, and we're only a couple of minutes into this. I can't say, someone that cares. F1, higher or lower, is coming up a little bit later on. We're also talking about some comments from James Vowes about their

driver line-up possibilities both next year and this year. Christian Horner calling Sergio Perez's performance is unsustainable, but we are going to start with the news of Oliver Berman because despite the fact that we want to ignore it because it happened on a Thursday and we don't like that F1, we don't do Thursday news. He is actually going to be racing for Hasse.

He signed a multi-year deal with the team starting from next season. This is what they had to say about it. He's developed into an incredibly mature driver under the guidance of the Scuderia Ferrari Driver Academy and the world saw that for themselves when he was called in at the last minutes compete at the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix. Oliver proved he was more than ready for the task, and we've seen that for ourselves, running him in the Hask cars in our first practice sessions over the past two seasons. Not the biggest surprise news in the world, Sam, but it has been made official.

Do you think this is a good move for the team? You're unconvinced? I am unconvinced. I was really wowed by his Ferrari driving Saudi Arabia. And that stood out to me as a real impressive moment. I thought he did fantastic, under a lot of pressure. I thought he delivered a very good result for Ferrari

after being thrown into that car, of course, after science hang his appendix removed. He did a great job of him. Some fierce opponents. But in the field where he's actually being asked to prove himself and is developing as a driver, he's not wowing.

He's not going out of his way to blow away the, you know, the capacitor is about him. He's not, in my opinion, making me think, core, blind me, govern, strike a light and no mistake, you're the next big thing,

you're the next George Russell, the next Landon Norris, the next Max for Stafford. I don't even take part in F2. It feels a bit more like, dare I say, Logan Sargent's F2 career, Jo Guine News, F2 career,

all drivers that had solid F2 careers, but didn't blow anyone away, didn't go away and run away with things. And I guess this is why he's going to Haas and why no disrespect to Hars who are much improved and all of my imposter naming that I'm shouting at you, which I think was deserved, is you've rightly proved me wrong.

But equally, it's a proving ground, right? He's not going right at the top. And maybe he's one of his drivers that it's just going to settle into the world of Formula One way better than he settles into the world of F2. Maybe he fits the car better. I don't know. But I was expecting more from his F2 season.

I really thought, you know, this whole Antingelli, Behrman and rivalry that we spoke about at the start. People were talking about how it could be, you know, Senna-Prost-esque in the junior formulas. And I know that that Pramer

is not brilliant this season. I know it's not their best ever car, but still, it's not looking good at the moment. It's not having an absolute thriller of a time. So I expect him to be a bit more, a bit better. But, hey, they've taken a puns on him.

Magnuson, who's scullesant signed, of course, they've lost Holkerberg, but Magnuson hasn't signed yet either. So there's only one driver signed up to that team. They've gone for a rookie. Let's see if it pays off for them. But I think he's got a bit of work to prove himself. Good move, Harry.

I understand this move. And I think after, you know, I'm with you some. His F2 performances haven't been stellar. But given how well he ran in that race for Ferrari, it's no surprise that they have done this. And Hass, you've got one rookie now. You don't need another one. We need two.

No, no, no, no. No, no. We love pairs. and not the fruit. We love pairs. Yeah, you don't need to have another one now. So just be calm. You've done one.

Good start. Good start. Now getting the experience one. I'll keep an experience driver. But yeah, I understand this move. And for Huss, I think it is a good one. You're right, Sam. The Antonelli,

Behrmann rivalry in F2 has just not materialized. I mean, they're nowhere near the lead of the championship. I know the president said. is what 14th? Yeah. 13th, I think. Yeah, Antenelli's like 9th or 10 or something like that. So yeah, it doesn't, that doesn't read quite as well,

but I think there's probably more to it than that. Berman, I think he's been all right, as has Antonelli. An F2 is such a competitive and also completely random. It's chaotic. A category of motor racing that sometimes you don't win for reasons that are far beyond your reach. So, yeah, I wouldn't really like, based it solely on that.

And I think they must be looking at what he's doing when he's doing practice sessions and obviously what he did in the Ferrari. So overall, I think a solid move. If you are the driver that's leading the F2 championship, so if you are Isaac Hadjar, for example, you must be going, what do I? What do I need to do to get enough one seat?

I'm winning. I mean, the way the Red Bulls program's going at the moment. Very good point. He might be there by Belgium. but yeah so on the face of it it looks a bit odd that the person who was 13th and the FD championship is getting an F1 drive next year but it probably doesn't tell the whole story so I think overall solid move but as I say HASS you don't need to get two I think they need two

of course Harry's referencing the last time they went for two rookie drivers Mick Schumacher and Nikita Mazepin if you've paid any attention to Hasse you might have noticed neither of them are there any anymore indicating how well that move went. I think this is a good move for Hass. I think they've made the right call with this. They've never found the balance between youth and experience. It's either Grosjean and Magnuson or two rookies.

There's nothing in between, and I love it. But maybe they finally actually got this right. And I think they have, in fairness to Hass, done this the right way in that when Mick Schumacher came to the team, he had done one. free practice session for Hass. I believe it was the Abidabdi Grand Prix of the previous season. That was it. Nikita Mazepin, I don't believe, had any free practice sessions

for the Hass team. Behrman has already done five free practice sessions across this year and last year, and he's still got three more to come this year. So by the time he gets in the car, not including other testing, he will have done eight free practice sessions. Well

done, Hass. That is how you introduce a driver into F1. he might have, I think he might have a similar opportunity to what Chau LeCler had when he had his one year at Saut. And I appreciate this, be more than one year. But Chaulecler, he had a car good enough to compete at Saba. He scored 39 points that season, but still relatively low expectations

where there's not really much expected of you on a week-to-week basis. Based on where the Hasker is right now, that might be the position Berman comes into, which I think would be good for good for his development. I'll also give Hass some credit because whilst everyone is playing the Carlos Signs sweepstake and trying to outwit each other to get his signature and I don't blame him for doing it,

Hasse are kind of just on the side like, you know what, we're just going to conduct our business over here. We know we want bearman, you might not be interested. We're going to take bearman. And if rumors are to be believed, maybe they're looking at Ocon whilst other teams aren't as well. So I kind of admire that. But I do think this is a good move.

I appreciate the concerns about his F2 performances. They are far worse than what he had last year when he finished in sixth place. He is currently 13th. He had four wins and three polls last year. He was very good. I am not as concerned about them because similar to what you said,

F2 is a bloody lottery at the moment and I do not trust that spec series as far as I can throw it. you've got seemingly half a dozen drivers per weekend being what is commonly known as mechromed based on the engine provider that the series has and I just can't quite get behind the idea it's supposed to be a spec series

I can't get behind the idea that Antonelli is not better than what he is I can't get behind the fact that Bearman is seven positions worse than what he was last year and obviously not Pramer related but Victor Martins is another one Victor Martins, I believe, was fifth last year. He's currently 14th. It's a bit topsy-turvy.

I don't quite trust the results of it this season. I can't lie. So I'm not saying I'm not concerned at all, but I'm not that concerned. I am on the fence, on the side of the thanks of, I think he will come good in Formula One rather than be one of those drivers

that seems to absolutely destroy all Formula 2 competition. And actually, this F2 season, as you said, is a bit of an outlier in terms of where Prima is sitting, how the cars are being run as a spec series, like you said already. There seems to be a little weird variables going on in a season that should be very much state of plays

with the norm. Everyone has the same equipment. It doesn't seem to be running in that sense. So hopefully, Harsam being a good call here, and he turns up the first race next season, and he's right up there alongside whoever his teammates can I be. And not like this would completely transform the standings, but it is worth mentioning as well,

but of course that Behrman didn't compete in the races that were held at the Saudi Arabian weekend because he was deputizing for Carlos Seines. Speaking of Ferrari, actually, Harry, is there any concern from Hass's perspective? He is obviously a Ferrari junior driver. Is there any risk that Lewis Hamilton retires early, Charlerclair finally decides there might be another team in F1, that Ferrari could just go, we'll have Beerman now and poach him from the team? I guess there's always that risk.

if he is, you know, property or Ferrari in that sense, but he'd have to have had a really impressive, I'm not saying he won't, but would have had to have a Charles Leclair-esque 2018, you know, rookie season, which, again, I'm not saying he won't, but it seems unlikely that he will. So I think he would have to be, a lot of things would have to align.

Bearman would have to have had an absolute belter of the first season. even if there's two seasons in and obviously Hamilton or Lecler need to decide they actually are fed up of being at Ferrari and leave which again, you know, doesn't seem to happen. Leclair, as Sam said in our power rankings,

he's there at all 2020 life. So I don't think he's going anywhere soon. Hamilton has signed up for a few years anyway. I don't see him quitting, to be honest. I think he's there for the project. So I'm sure it's at the back of Hass's mind but yeah they can't they can't not take him up you know take him on just for that reason alone so i don't think it's an immediate threat of it yeah i i would agree with you i think it's worth

the risk from has this perspective in that claren hamilton could be there for quite a while i guess if you're comparing this to leger as well when he came in in the salber seat and there was this risk that he could go to ferrari and of course after just one season we kind of knew that kimmy richen and at at that point, he wasn't going to be there for many more years. It doesn't feel like that's the same situation here. So I'm fine with Hass making the call. Secure the second seat and, I don't know, open a driver academy. Has, that might be an idea.

You don't have to rely on other teams. But yeah, I'm fine with this. Sam, any threat from Ferrari? This is a risk versus reward situation, isn't it? You know exactly what you get when you're picking up a driver who is property of another team, A team that is, obviously, Ferrari are in terms of branding, the biggest team. They're always going to be generally as a higher place team than Haas, although that isn't maybe proving the case on track as we record this episode.

But nonetheless, the allure of Ferrari and the fact that they have his contracting hand, it's always going to be a bit of a risk, of course. But you have to look at the rest of the situation. It's contextual. Charlotte Claire isn't going anywhere. That boy is Ferrari, thickened thing. You can't, and he bleeds to Fosie for crying out loud. I wish he didn't.

Lots of him do well. As we have on our Twitch stream, the free LeCler emoji is the most used one by over 87% over anything else. People want LeCler freed. He ain't going nowhere, folks. The boy's locked up for life. He had the key and he swallowed it.

My point is, he's not going anywhere. He's in it for the long haul. And Lewis Hamilton, I don't, I think, weirdly, the only way Lewis Hamilton walks away after a year is if he gets in the car and wings a title. That might be the only way he goes, cool I want a title with Ferrari

I'm going to leave on a high sea later by now I don't think other than that Hamilton's there for a project is his last proper project at least a couple of years being put into it here Hamilton unless that happens it's not going to go

no I was only fourth in the championship now I'm going to pack it in now it's a lot of effort a lot of moving around when you could stand out on Mercedes so realistically I think the risk of bearmen suddenly disappearing after Ferrari

is a very very low one and they should get I think at least two years out of this bearman there will which maybe they do start an academy. Maybe they get their ducks in a row and they start to look at some drivers slightly further down in terms of the formulas

and go, we're going to target that young individual and we are going to nurture them and bring them in. And that's actually who we can replace Ben Widd. And a couple of years when Hamilton maybe does decide to retire. Who knows? So I think it's a sensible move. It makes sense to have an exciting young prodigy. I wouldn't be surprised if they also get

some sneaky little financial deal off of Ferrari for bringing it in as well. And that kind of helps them because we know that Haas aren't the wealthiest of teams as well. So overall, I think it makes a solid choice for a secondary driver for them. Where does it leave Kevin Magnuson, Harry? I think, and again, as we briefly mentioned, on the Power Rankings episode, KMAG, I think, he's had enough, he's off.

He, I don't know, he just seems a bit checked out as, you know, based on the performances this year and the fact that he just likes to have a scrap as Sam said, bare knuckle fighting he'd rather do, which should be excellent to see. But I don't know, I think KMAG, I could see Haas,

turning around and going, all right, Kevin, we'll keep you on. You know, as the experienced hand in this team, it makes sense for a bit of continuity to keep you on. And then KMAG,

turning around and go, nah, you're right. I'm pretty saying exactly like that as well, yeah, yeah. But I could. genuinely got, I just feel like his, his heart's not quite in it anymore as it used to be, you know, he's had, he's had a relatively good career, but he's, it's a career where, uh, it peaked on the

first day, peaked on the first day, exactly. And it's, he's been booted out twice and got back in, fought back in twice. And I just think maybe KMA's like, do you know what, this isn't really worth it for me to be puttling around in a, in the, in the, in the top 10, but sometimes not the top 10 sometimes towards the back and I just think it's not worth it. So yeah, they might want to retain KMAG, but honestly, I don't know whether KMAG wants to retain them. Yeah, I think it's a valid question. I initially put down as sort of my own answer to where does it leave KMAG

and I kind of thought, I'm a bit worried for him. But equally, there's reluctance, but I'm not entirely convinced what side the reluctance is on, whether it is the team side or whether it is Magnuson's side. The fact of the matter is this, they could have re-signed him as soon as whole, Holkenberg left. That didn't happen. They could have announced his resigning at the same time as Oliver Berman. That wouldn't be the first time Hasse have done that with her lineup. They haven't.

And that tells you something that there is that reluctance from one of the two parties. And look, if Magnuson wants to be back and Hasse are a bit reluctant, it's understandable because they've got 27 points. 22 of them are leaving next year. At the moment, Kevin Magnuson has five points. And if it was down to Magnuson, they would be very firmly in a battle with Williams and Alpine rather than in a battle with Minardi, as has become the case in the last couple of Grand Prix. So I happen to know, Has, fortunately, of a very talented driver. He's just left a team or will be leaving a team. He goes by the name of Vestivan Ockon.

I'd consider give him in a go. What do you think, Sam, to the Kevin Macon, not the Ockon bit, the Kevin Magnuson bit? You go to the phrase, off a creek without a paddle. Yes. I feel like KMAG swam up the creek himself, and then someone on the sidelines has gone, Kevin, Kevin, do you want a paddle? And he's going, no, I'm good.

I'm going to keep going this way. And it's not harsh on the sidelines off of the paddle either. It's, you know, just some passerby going, who's that poor man with a lot of penalty points desperately trying to find shore? I don't think KMA won't sure. I think he's just happy drifting down the rapids. You know, I'm good.

I'm easy, breezy, baby. Let the current take me. And I think he hopes it's going to wash up on the shores of, I don't know, Imsa or something like that. Because he obviously didn't race to something like Imsa previously. And he quite enjoyed it. And he was quite good at it. And I think KMAG loves racing. I think he loves going fast.

And I just think he doesn't want to go fast in a horse anymore. And I don't think he wants to deal with this sport anymore. Do you remember when he was out of F1 and he did that? I can't remember the name of it. It was almost like the dirt cars, which are like giant Hot Wheels cars. You can just go like a big dirt donut. And you can skip that for a bit. The absolute biggest case of COVID brain

is the fact that he did an IndyCar race. Yeah. Did you remember that? Did he? Yeah, he did an Indycar race. I think he was Road America. Goodness me. I think he wants to race.

But the only thing that makes me counterbait this is that no announcement has been made because I think if Haas are skeptical and KMA is skeptical, then why haven't they gone? We'll pack it him. Well, we'll obviously keep to that. Keep the end of the season, but I do think that

why haven't they just come out and said, much like with Alpine, thank you, Esquamang, for your services. He'll be leaving us at the end of the season. Why haven't they done that? Why? What do we think? I don't know what the reason might be.

Who is it that's kind of going, another year? Well, get KV into Indycar because I'm all over that, but I will become a KMAG stand. He was, I know, as you say, did a race way, I completely forgot about, but I might have been, Completely made.

No, I think you are right. This does ring a bell. Our full season of KMAG absolutely winding up the entirety of the IndyCar field. I'll watch that. I'll pay good money to watch that. Right. We're going to take our first break on this episode. On the other side, we're going to be chatting through some comments from Christian Horner about Sergio Perez.

In June 2021, Kevin Magis was drafting him by Aaron McClurek, SP to filling for the inch of of course, it was then. At the Grand Prix of Road America, he qualified 21st to retire with a mechanical issue. Arrow McLaren getting rid of a vagina. Yeah, we're seeing it, Cameron. One over next.

Welcome back, everyone. I have to say, I am faced with something of a conundrum as we exit the break because, Harry, there is a podcast I really like. God.

How do I express how much I like that podcast? Gosh, Ben, I was actually sat, I worked today and I thought the very same thing and then I heard a voice in my head

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Yeah, we appreciate you the effort, but that's actually unhelpful. Five is good. Yeah, five is good. Five more is good. So please, you may write whatever you want. This time you can write sweet potato mush is the best. Five-star review.

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Well you're having nightmares About late breaking You know you've gone too far Right let's move on Some comments from Christian Horner After what was a difficult British Grand Prix For one of his drivers Sergio Perez

Horner said that he knows Sergio Perez He knows it's unsustainable To not be scoring points We have to be scoring points in that car he knows that. He knows his role in his targets and nobody is more eager than Checo

to find his form again. We know, Sam, there have been some rumblings about what they might choose to do with that seat. What's your take on Christian Horner's comments here? I mean, don't give him a two-year extension, pal. I mean, why have you dug it so early?

We called you out on it weeks ago. Why did you give it to before the worst part of the season which he's continuously displayed as miserable every time you get to this part of the season and his form goes out of the window. Where has he lost the form? He's got to have it first to lose it

because of this part of the season. He is crap every single time. Rubbish, terrible. Go listen to our power ranking. Subscribe to Patreon. The list of the description. The guy was in the top five for the first four races

and now he is firmly near the bottom because it is so bad. So bad. when Perez crashed at qualifying in Silverstone, it cuts a Christian Horger and he just went. Savage camera work, by the way. Excellent word. We criticise some of the camera work in F1,

but sometimes they're a reaction shot, cutting to a reaction shot. That camera person must have just been sat there waiting for something to happen and they're like, Perez is off, cut to Christian cam and he's just like, it's the same guy that does disappointed dad cam, I think. You know, there's one guy that goes,

we've got a dad in the paddock, get down now. It's always a guy, brilliant, capturing Frustrated Fathers. And he got the father of Red Bull now, Christian Hall now, of course. Frustrated Fathers is an excellent concept

for a TV show, album name. Podcast. Podcast. Well, we're all dads. That's going to be our new show, Frustrated Fathers. Won't be anything to do with Formula One,

but come and listen. In what 10 years time? Just moaning about anything. I'll do that. anyway, so we're going to fit writing. I honestly, I'm still so baffled that Red Bull made this decision when they did. I think that is one of the worst calls they could have made. You know, come on, you know that he's not good through this European leg.

And yet, I would argue, okay, he's been worse than expected, because previously last year, obviously we spoke about how his qualifying was regularly around 10th or 11th, how we'd finish maybe on average 7th, 8th, maybe 6th on a good day. And Bostappen was winning, but Buzappen was so good. it didn't really matter. Well, this season, your car isn't so good. This season, you're not dominant. This season, McLaren, arguably, are the faster car.

And you've actually been a bit lucky in how you continue to extend Max Verstappen's championship lead. But the only reason I think your constructors league is kind of intact still is because the rest of the chasing pack keeps swapping and changing. They're cannibalizing themselves. And we brought this up about two or three months ago that maybe that's how they win it

because you need two drivers to be competing. You need two drivers to be on their way, doing well, scoring points, back each other up. When Maxa Stam was having a bad weekend, as displayed in Austria, where him and Lado Nairas came together, it should be Perez, the next guy on the road to take the wind, to pick up the points, to bring it home. Where was he?

Dono, not in first, that's for sure, because he was crap again. So, sorry, and we've got a lot of Paris fans, and I know it must be so frustrating. It must be so annoying, but you've got to be honest with yourselves. He's not delivering. So I think they made the call too early because sign him on. I think they should have waited to at least probably Singapore time of the year to see how he's been. And I think actually it's making things even harder for him, which is unfair on Sergio.

Of course, he's going to put pen to paper. Where else is he going to go? This is the best opportunity he'll ever have in Formula One. So, yeah, grab it with both hands, Sergio, fair play to you. But Red Bull, what a terrible call. And now I think you're paying the price for it. You've rushed into something you didn't need to rush into. He's not delivering.

As we all predicted he wouldn't. And now you're playing the price for it. So it might be out of a drive, which would be, When was the last time that a driver signed a multi-year deal and then got booted out within the space of 10 Grand Prix? That's how bad it's got. Harry, according to some sources from Autosport, despite having, obviously, as Sam mentions,

a contract in place, indications that there might be a performance-related clause regarding the number of points he is behind Max Verstappen at 100. He's currently 137 points behind Max Verstappen. Obviously, we don't know, if there is anything like that in place, but if there is, then maybe that opens the door for Red Bull

to do something about this situation. If there is, then I'm less mad about them for signing in for two years because at least they've, and it was inevitable, there would be some clauses, but a performance clause in particular makes sense,

given some of his past form. And right now, I guess, they're thanking their lucky stars that that is in place. To be honest, for Checo, if that is, in place. I don't, whether, I've seen the same thing and it's, you know, is it by the Belgium GP

rumoured to be, yeah. There's also rumours isn't there of positions in the championship, how far down he can be. But like, I don't see him making that back up by, by Belgium. Where's you getting 37 points over maximum 2nd? Where's that coming from? So. Sorry, Kirstie. Oh, God, believe that.

But is the April Spritz talking. They are from one drink. I'm already casting. I'm texting casting out. But yeah, for Checker, I think the only thing he can rely on at the moment is not his own form, but it's the fact that there's no real worthy replacement that could come in midseason. Maybe there is for next year, but midseason, which I know there are rumors that they could, they could swap it and Red Bull, they got form in this area.

But right now, who would they promote? Ricardo obviously has been rumoured but up until yesterday well as we record yesterday Sunday it's obviously not a good day he had a couple of good races but it's been very up and down and relatively underwhelming for Ricardo I swear to God if it's Ricardo

Sonata Go on Go on do it Just to make some house down Do it Christian Sinoda to be honest though I was thinking about this You put Ricardo in the car

And I'm not saying it's the right call at all you put Ricardo in the car right now. You get your answer. You get your answer immediately. And is it any worse? Are you any worse off than what you currently have? I don't think you are. Rather than doing it for next year,

you just go, right, we're going to chuck it in now and see what happens. Anyway, but yeah, and Sonoda is, you know, he's definitely better this year than he has been over his career as a whole. But that just seems a bit too little, too late for Sonoda. there's obviously Liam Lawson on the sidelines but you chucked him in as a rookie. We've seen that happen before and it's ruined rookies.

Pierre Gasley, Alex Albon will attest to that. I mean, but they're not in a top team. They're in Alpin and a Williams. Fair. Your point is made. So, yeah, it's a tricky situation they find themselves in and I guess that will help Perez's case here.

It's quite a weak point, but it's a point nonetheless that he has. has in his favour because yeah, it's a, it's a dramatic spiral this. And I know it's this must be so hard as a drive to mentally try and, you know, complementalize how to deal with this pressure

that is increasingly being, you know, ratcheted upon you. And I feel for Checo in that sense because it must be so difficult to try and pick yourself out of that slump. But the downturn over the past few races has been, I mean, biblically bad.

It's not, and not to be overdramatic, but it's bad. You did just say biblically. I know, but it's bad. It's really bad. Oh, I go. I go.

Yeah. So it's not looking good. Whether Red Bull do take the risk, I don't know. I could see them, I could see them doing it, to be honest. Chuck Ricardo in,

Austin Oda for the rest of the season, see what happens. They've got Lawson on the sidelines. They can chuck into the, into the, into the, into the, into the,

than put Perez in it and see what happens, but I don't know whether they're going to be that risky. Yeah, I, like you say, it's not good. And what makes it, I think, equal parts, frustrating and confusing is that if Perez was like this a whole season long, you probably wouldn't expect anything more, but we know he can be so much better.

And he was so much better at the beginning of this season. He had four podiums in the first five races or something like that. Like he was performing at a good enough level for that car. And then it just completely disappears. And it doesn't make a lot of sense, but it seems to happen. I think Christian Horner's demeanor over the last couple of Grand Prix has changed a little bit. I think he is starting to get worried.

If not for this championship, which I think he has a valid reason to be worried for this championship, to be fair. But I think at least for future championships, he's got to be concerned. And of course, remember, I think it might have been the Spanish Grand Prix, but I'm happy to be corrected. One of the previous Grand Prix, he referred to Sergio Perez's form or his result as an anomaly. It might be the Spanish Grand Prix. He's making Horner look like a bit of an idiot by not showing that's an anomaly.

And that's not going to go well with your boss when you come out and defend him essentially by saying this is a one-off, and then it very much turns out to not be a one-off. he has now gone seven races without being on the podium that is the longest run without a podium he's had since the middle of 2021 that didn't happen last year didn't happen in 2022 and in his last five races he has had 15 points Holkenberg has 16 in the last two it's it's not good

and of course where drivers championship wise obviously we're not expecting him to beat or even match for Stappen but the Constructors' Championship is where it matters. And we've had 12 races so far this season so we can split them straight down the middle and say the first quarter and the second quarter of the season. So first six races, Constructors' Championship, Red Bull, 239 points.

That's 52 clear of Ferrari, 115 clear of McLaren, and 175 clear of Mercedes. Not very close. Made a little bit closer thanks to Vastappans' DNF at the Australian Grand Prix, but still a comfortable lead over Ferrari in second. last six races, Red Bull, 134.

Ferrari have had a terrible six races. They're on 115, 19 behind. They've had an awful six races, and they're basically there. McLaren, 171 in the last six races. That's 37 more than Red Bull. And Mercedes, 154. That's 17 more. Sorry, 20 more.

You've got two teams that are outperforming you in the last six Grand Prix, and one team that's had a nightmare who's only just, just below you. And in that run, last six races, Vastappan has won three of them. He's won three of them, won a sprint race, and was second last time out at Silverstone.

He can't do much more, yet they're still struggling. These are the sort of stats that Christian Horner must be looking at and saying, I think we all thought that maybe it would become a problem next year or the year after

if these other teams can catch up. it's happening this year. It's happening this year. If Ferrari had matched their first six races, in their second six races, they'd be beating Red Bull right now. Only by a point, I think, but they'd be beating Red Bull.

Says a lot. I mean, I hope Red Bull get a chiropractor in for Maxa Staples back because he's carrying this championship on his bloody shoulders, bless him. Yeah, the fact that the top three teams is now separated by, what is it, 80 points, something like that,

78 points, something like that. If McLaren go and do Ben, exactly what you say over the last six races and they do it for the next six and the six after, they win the constructors. Ferrari don't even need to exist. Maclaren will out do them anyway.

They'll jump from third to first. Perez, mate, wash your case made out of paper and you're walking around in the rain because it's bloody useless. Let's turn to everyone's favorite segment, F1 fantasy. Oh, thank God.

I could get much happier. I actually don't know to this. I'd look just as we started recording because I was like maybe things have gone well, but let's find out. It's a joke that ever dies, mate. Don't understand. No spoilers, but yeah.

Let's have a look at the top three in our fantasy league. And by the way, if you're not joined and you'd like to join, there's still time. We've still got registrations open. Link and all the details are in the description. Got nice guys finish first, still in first place in the league. So well done for holding on to that. Sweet Papyars is still second.

and it's All Bon Wrong has managed to make its way up to third place. All by the wrong is a great name, by the way. It is. It's a great name. Winner for the British Grand Prix was Steak Tuesday F1, so well done to you. It's nice to see Steaker winning something. You're cooking. But, of course, how are we doing? Not well.

Sam, you had Charles Leclair as your two-time driver. I did. that should probably give away the fact that you have dropped 52 positions on our 270th. Yeah, LeCler and Norris have really let me down the last two Grand Prix,

but I'm still at the top 300, so I'm okay. As a comeback. Yeah, I also have LeClaire in my team. I'm down 31 positions, 368th. Kirstie is down 36 positions to 497th. Now, coming into this race, Harry Ead was in 1,366.

Make that 1,398th. That's down 32%. Are you just ahead of the people joining now? Like, are you actually last? Basically. Anyone joining joins with the points that they've already accumulated, like, throughout the season.

Oh, gosh, you are just, you're just forever going to lose places then. People will just keep joining. It'll be better than you. I think there are just about fewer than 100. people below you. That's quite an achievement. Because there will be people that

make a scene we just forgot and I don't care and gone, oh, I forgot that was even a thing. You're on this show every week. Can I, look, I didn't. Show us just saying, re-get out. Come on.

I didn't change it after last week. Well, he's a lie, mate. So that's one of the excuse. But no, I'm not, I'm just saying, I changed it. It went badly. So I'm like, well, I'm not going to change it again because it's pointless.

Landon-Riss, I had my two times on him. So he's done me as an absolute solid. So thank you, Lando, win the race next time. And after that, oh no. My next one is George Russell. Oh, that's harsh. I can't help that. You can't help that. My next one is Charles Leclair. Yeah, we're all on that, though. Yeah. My next one is Pierre Gassley. You got to start the race to score points. I'm afraid my guy. My next... Your one of your team get points. The next one is Valdry Potters. And then my two,

teams at Alpine and RB. Oh, God. How is it? It's such an awful team. So across all of your drivers, Norris is the only one that score points. But he got a two times boost. So it's been worse.

So much worse. As mentioned, if you want to join the league, you can do. The link is in the description. Oh, boy. We're going to take our second break on this episode, other side. We're going to be talking through Williams and Logan Sargent. So it was a better British Grand Prix, it has to be said, for Logan Sargent, just missed out on points. But of course, the rumours continue to swirl about what will happen to his seat.

Next year, we know Alex Albin is locked in for a couple more years, but Logan Sargent is not with rumours that he won't be staying at the team. James Vowse was talking to Sky Sports F1 this weekend. He had the following to say. Logan all the way throughout has been provided with opportunity to retain his seat. That's in his control. I need performance that is at Alex's level. I need him to be there day in and day out. We also have a responsibility into why he hasn't been there. There's been several races where we have not provided the right equipment simply because of attrition. That's not been the case for several races now. There will be a line in the sand where we have to make a decision and at that point, both for 2025 and maybe for something this year, we'll make a decision

on it. Sam, obviously the fact that Logan Sargent is potentially at risk for next season that's not brand new information. But he very clearly states here maybe something for this year as well. Do you read anything into

James Vauser's comments? Well, I respect James' refreshing honestly. I said this, I think, last week. I do respect the fact that he's being so public about it. I think he's not shying away from the fact that Logan Sargent hasn't performed. But what is really frustrated me about all this is that you know the old phrase you know you made the bed you know

you got a lie in it now mate well how if that's how the phrase goes that classic phrase it always does end with me yeah my point here is james vows you knew what you're getting yourself into logan sergeant wasn't some anomaly he wasn't someone great unknown that you haven't worked with before you had a whole season with him his junior career was good you know acceptably good, pretty decent. So you brought him on. Okay, great. You gave him a year. We, all three of us, said, it wasn't acceptable, not really good enough.

Surprise he's getting another year in the game. You stuck with him. And you didn't choose him, as we've said time and time again, for his ability right now. You chose him for his ability in a season, two seasons time. He had to grow into an acceptable F1 driver that could rival Alex Albaugh. I don't know when he expected that to happen, but he's already stating in that statement. through attrition, we didn't have the right equipment. Through Alex Albon crashing in Australia, he was running a gnaf chassis.

You know, there are a few circumstances across this season where Sargent hasn't been able to perform. And a couple of times now, he's started to step up again. So whilst I don't think that Logan Sargent is good enough, and I've said this from the start of the season, because I thought at the end of last season, he wouldn't ever be good enough. But James Vowles believed he could have been. James Vows believed at that moment that over time with practice and delivery and experience,

he could be good enough. And I find it quite frustrating for Logie Bear that by the midway point of the season, after quite a few assinguated circumstances, it's now been told in the public eye, we might be getting rid of them during the season. Well, what did you expect at the start when you signed him? And then he had a crap load of issues that weren't really his fault. You know, it just feels a bit harsh. It feels a bit harsh.

at least stick it out to the end of the year. But, you know, F-1's F-1. It's a cruel game. So I can see why they're considering it, but you should consider it at the start of the year when you were making your decision previously. Not now. I think that's a bit unfair on Logan, personally.

Are they looking at Alpine a few points ahead of them? Are they looking at Salber a few points behind and thinking, you know, one or two results could be the difference between 8th and 10th here. If we can get a better driver in that car than Logan, Sgton, we need to make that move. Yeah, I understand that reasoning entirely. I think what also I find frustrating

was James Vowles' very profound way of thinking last season where he said, you know, we're not aiming to make these momentary games, these momentary jumps up the table. We're trying to create a legacy team. We're trying to create a team that's building for the future, long-term success. And he said a couple of times in the public eye,

well, we don't care if we're finishing, you know, the difference between 8th or 9, it doesn't matter to us. We're building a project and a team and we're building that momentum overall to eventually jump to the likes of fourth and then maybe to the fight for second and third. And then first, not the difference between seventh, eighth or not. They're trying to look for something bigger.

So if his reasoning for this change is we could be the RB for seventh or we could be Alpine for eighth. Yeah, I understand it, but I don't necessarily agree with it going on what he has said previously. I don't feel like within his mantra with his normal reasoning. So I just think he's

dug himself a bit of a hole with his choice to keep Sergeant on at the start of the season and he's kind of going oops, oh, I think I'm made a mistake here and I think he's playing the price for it.

What are your thoughts on his comments, Harry? Yeah, I'm with Sam. I think you made this decision of the start of the year or the last year by retaining him for 2024. and it does seem very, very harsh to be saying this sort of thing in public.

And it was quite a, it wasn't a very pointed comment. It was kind of like at the end of the centres, wasn't it? Or we might think about this year. I don't know whether that was intentional or not. But, yeah, I don't see what they gained by, who are they going to put in? It's not going to be any of the drivers that they're considering for next year. Antonelli. Antonelli.

but I guess that's only for a Mercedes run out basically. So what game does that give Williams? It might be terrible. But also here's a driver you could have won. Great. Yeah. So I don't really see the point in that. And side sergeant's not been not been great.

I will say obviously Silverton was good. And I think there's been a couple of races where the form seems to have been better. It's still not overall. Still not brilliant. But you're right. I just don't think you can come out and come out and start saying that, I don't know,

we've just spoken about Sergio Perez and whether they replace him mid-season. But Williams aren't fighting for winning the Constructors championship. No offense, Williams.

And I know there's, you know, every point counts to them as they, you know, trying to retain P7, but also their car has not been there. So I'm not sure you can really say,

well, that's going to make the big difference because they've got Alex Albon in the car and even he's struggling to make the point, you know, get those points on the board that they were last year. So it's, um,

it's a bit of a strange one in my view why you'd say something like that i you know i hope they for logan's sake i think i hope for logan's sake as a driver i hope they keep him to the end of the year and i it does seem for all the things james vall as i said this kind of seems almost out of character for the way he's dealt with or responded about sergeant and maybe there's a bit of frustration but he's always backed the way they've supported him um it just seems odd than now why now is he becoming frustrated, especially when you'd say sergeant's probably driving better than he ever has done. Again, not saying that's a really brilliant level,

but it's better than he has done. So just seems a lot of time to come out with it. And I guess with the way that James Vowers has spoken about that seat, really ever since Logan Sargent came in, he's been very transparent about the fact that Logan Sargent needs to hit targets, right? but a lot of that a lot of that narrative has been around when it was 2023

the targets he needs to hit to get into a seat for 2024 and a lot of the narrative is about 2024 targets to get a seat for 2025 this feels like a little bit of a shifting of the goalpost to say we're now talking about targets

to keep you for a full season because you know as far as we're aware the contract with him is for the full year it's not for half a season And that's the bit that I'm most disappointed at. And again, it's not really related to his performances, because as you've already mentioned, guys not good enough, simply put.

And I mean that with the greatest respect, guys not good enough for F1. But equally, when you sign a contract, that is a commitment from a driver and from a team. And unless something goes horribly, unexpectedly wrong, and I wouldn't call this unexpectedly wrong so far this. season. It feels wrong to break that. I am glad at least that James Vowles has been open enough to admit Williams failings this year because I've been really disappointed. The lack of performance

is one thing, but the fact that Sargent has had so few races this year where he's had the same upgrade package as his teammates, so few races where he has had the same weight car as his teammate. There's been such a disparity, as he says, relating to attrition and needing that extra chassis that they didn't think they'd need and not doing the Australian Grand Prix. It hasn't been a plain sailing season for him. And I think that failing does belong to Williams. I'm glad he's acknowledged that at least. But the writing's on the wall for next year. But I agree. I don't think there's any value in bringing in Andrea Kimi Antonelli this season. Because, hey, if you're talking about long-term ambition, you're talking about Alex Albin making a multi-year, being given a

multi-year extension and bringing all these new people in. You know, he hired just about everyone two weeks ago. It kind of just doesn't make sense to then give a Mercedes loan for a few months. I don't quite get that. So we'll see what happens, but I don't know. Mercedes have triggered this, change in the FIA rulings about a super license for a reason. This might well be the reason. Hello everyone, future Ben, or at least more future than the one you're currently listening to. We have a slight disclaimer, a small note on the next topic that we're going to be talking about,

which is Enrico Cardioli leaving Ferrari. Just know that at the time of recording this, we didn't know where he was going. It was heavily rumoured that he would be making an appearance at Aston Martin. has now been confirmed so if you hear us talking about how it's something that he might do or might consider just know that it has actually happened back to your regularly scheduled programming some other news that well done Ferrari you released today before we recorded round of applause for you it's not necessarily thank you that applause can now stop because it's not great news for Ferrari they lost someone so emrico Cardi

who has been working for Ferrari for quite a while. No, we actually spoke about this. I can't remember if it was on a main episode or on a Patreon episode, but we spoke about the rumors that Cardi Le might well turn up at Astor Martin in the not too distant future. News today is that he has handed in his notice, obviously one of the senior members at the team, one of the heads of the pillars or whatever they would call them in Ferrari.

So, Harry, how do you view this news? Do you think this is, Ferrari have struggled recently and it's been almost booted out the door? Or is this him making a move to Aston Martin? Well, given that it's handed his notice it and not. I mean, you can never really too much into those things with F on because you can be forced to handle you notice in. But I don't know, the fact this is already rumored,

maybe there was a mutual agreement of, you know, he wants to go elsewhere and there's, parting ways coupled with the fact they have struggled recently. I don't know. I don't know whether you would. Ferrari's formed this year, you can't say, I know it's not been great the past few races, but they have also won two races this year.

I'm not sure that's a fireable offence in my view. They've had worse years where he's not been fired. Oh, that's true. That'd be true. So I'm not sure why this year would be the year to let him go. So I would urge towards the fact that this is actually a move off to Aston Martin. again, Astrid Martin are,

they be picking up the people. This, for fun fact, behind the scenes here, folks, when Ben does a schedule, he has different blocks for different sections.

This is D block. We'll pee behind the curtain. And what we were originally going to talk about was Astin Martin signing Andy Cowell instead of replacing Martin Whitmarsh. So they'd be signing the people, if that is that,

if that's where this is going. So, yeah, it's, I'm going to go with that, it's more that and, you know, it's a different challenge for him. But it's an interesting one because I don't know whether we just hear about it more these days, but people fly around different teams quite a lot now. They just, they knock about quite regularly. I don't know there's gardening leave and stuff to take it into account, but it just seems like at

the moment there's a lot of people being signed, being fired on gardening leave. People are, they're all at it. They're all of this. And it's always been the case. I think maybe we are just hearing about it more, but it just seems to be quite a few high profile people at the moment that are being poached for jobs within other teams. As they all scrabble to try and make it to the top of the grid.

So yeah, I'll go with optimism here and say it's by choice and not by force. But yeah, maybe it was just a mutual parting of ways. And regarding the news of Mr. Cowell replacing Martin Whitmash, Wittmash. Sweet potato, I'm on the mind again. We're mash. That's a new name for him. Sorry about that, mashing.

We will address that news either on a future episode or on a patron episode. Sam, your thoughts on this? Yeah, I was a little bit torn between two paths on what to think about this. Arguably, being fired

does kind of make sense. You're right that Ferrari are in worst places since he joined Ferrari. He was on the Formula One team since 2016 was Cardello. And he used to be part of the GT program.

And before that he worked with Ferrari on numerous other Aero projects that they've been going on. So he's been part of the Ferrari family for nearly 20 years. You know, there's a big thing to turn around to say, see you later, mate. We've had a few bad Grand Prix. You're out the door now. Because which year was it, 2019 or 2020? That exists where they were bloody loathing themselves down the back of the grid, struggling along.

2020. There you go. They had a good time, didn't they? Good fun. Anyway, he was there and fully part of the program. Wasn't fired then. but equally, Frangy Vass is in charge now. Speaking of Frangy Vass, he's the one that's taking over the current job.

Vasses and the wheel. I love it. He's rolled up the sleeves. He's put the gloves and gone, I can't get the staff. I'll do it myself, thank you. But, you know, we've got new management, and I think this is quite a bold decision. So I wouldn't be shocked if actually all these upgrades are brought in.

They've absolutely thrown the season into disrepute. They can't get the points where they need to him out. Red Bull are on the ropes because Perez can't perform, and that's for Sam's have to do it all on his own. He's struggling. and McLarenow now possibly the fastest car, I do get why someone like Freddie Bass might be ruthless and go, not good enough.

You're out of the door now. I'm taking over as Mr. King of Arrow, and I'm going to make it all better again. Daddy Vass, going to make it all better. Going to stroke your head and put you to bed. No, no, no. Equally. With a vass of milk.

Oh, get the tin of Vaseline out. Don't know where that's going. We're going to move on very swift. Just want you to say Vaseline. Daddy Vassolene. and his jug of Vaseline. No, thank you. Yeah, yeah, good.

Anyway, equally, he's been sliced him through into his chair. Equally, yeah, it could be that they've struck a deal with one Adrian Newey

and have gone, we respects our staff, we understand that we don't want to just boot him out into gardening and leaving he's going to be sat on his backside doing nothing, let him have his career,

let him go off and be successful and have a good working relationship with people and go to another team and can not fulfill your destiny and maybe Ashton Martin and basically realize and gone,

if he's got a serve garden leave, he needs to go now before we can have him by the start of the next year, potentially. And they've gone, right, Adrian Newe is secured. We'll do that announcement

later on down the line. Frangy Bass knows what he's doing. So he'll take over the wheel for the rest of the season. And then we'll bring Adrian Newee in. You can bring in our guy car delay and we're all going to be happy. We'll all be good friends.

And that's definitely viable. That's definitely. definitely a reason for this has happened. I don't know which it is. I wish I did. I have a lot of money. But both seem quite fair if that is the genuine case. I'm going to choose to believe Adrian Nguer is going to be at Ferrari and Lewis Hamilton

because that's crazy dream level stuff. And that Cardillae has found himself a nice seat somewhere like Austin Martin. And this is that being put into motion. It's an interesting strategy, but I think Adrian knew he's going to Hassp. So it's not right. Oh, wow. could I not have thought that? Yeah, I don't have too much to add, to be honest.

I think this is, he will pop up at Aston Martin quite soon. I think this is, we spoke about it. It was heavily rumoured, you know, about a month ago. I think this is just that happening. And look, fair play to Aston Martin. They're getting the right people in. So, yeah, I won't labour the point. I think it's a good move for Aston Martin.

If it indeed happens, I expect it won't. Let's take the final break on this episode. On the other side, we're playing higher or lower. God, we are mattering on, aren't we? Welcome back, everyone. It's time for F1, higher or lower. Beautiful. Watch on YouTube. We buggy.

That's arguable. We try. F1, high or lower. So I've got six questions in front of me. All of the answers to these questions have a numeric value. They'll take it in terms, will Sam and Harry, to guess what the correct answer is. If they get it right, they get two points.

but a lot of these are very difficult. So in most instances, they won't. The other person then gets the opportunity to say higher or lower than that first guess. If they get it right, they get a point. But if they get it wrong, the person who guessed initially gets the point. So numbers one through six. Sam, what number would you like? I'll have number three.

Oh, my word. We're starting with three. Right off the bag. Goodness me. How old was Danny Kaviat when he, secured his first podium in F1. Oh, crying out loud. It could be anything between the ages of seven and 43.

I literally... I don't usually do this. I'm going to give you a hint. It's not seven. Thank you. Thanks for letting me go, mate. It's very common. First podium in F1.

I'm going to say he was 25. He was not 25. Do you want to go higher or lower than that, Harry? older or younger, I dare say. Well, yes. Younger. Lower. Younger and lower are both acceptable answers.

You get a point. He came into a very young, Danny Kavir, and obviously he didn't spend too long at Toro Rosso. He was only 21 years old. Blimey. That is much younger than I expected. Close to the seven. Young boy.

I think he's like fourth on the list or so of youngest drivers to get. a podium. He's certainly up there, but yeah, just 21. Harry, over to you. It's time plus 10.

I'm number two, please. That's an English reference. Sam, you don't have to worry about this one. There's no chance he gets this one, right. I can't wait for him to get exactly right. It's about 2020. He can't remember it.

If it gets the year exists. Yeah, nothing happened then. What's the year between 2019 and 2021? I would not back if you get it right. I don't know. 2003? How many laps were there at the 2020 Secilla Grand Prix?

83. No. Higher or lower, Sam? 83? That's insane, Jeremy. I'm going to say lower. You're not correct. It's higher than 83.

There were 87 laps. Oh, you're going to laugh? It was a real short circuit, though, wasn't it? I know it was sure, but that's insane. We're too busy watching Sergio Perez munch up the field. Sub one minute laugh. Yeah. Right, sell.

Bring it back, I say. I liked that circuit. I like it. Bring it back. Yeah. Good fun, that one, yeah. Right. Harry takes a 2-0 lead.

We would go back to Sam. Six, please, Ben. Number six. I want you to tell me what the pole position time was at the 1950 British Grand Prix. Oh, no, no, no, no. It's just a kind of sick joke. You don't need to go to Thames, but just minutes and seconds. This is like that scene where Jeremy lies about buying a turkey.

It's like it on Christmas. Christmas joke. Two minutes, 13 seconds. It's not correct. Very difficult one to get spot on, obviously. Was it quicker or slower than that, Harry? Different game. Cool.

one quicker. It was quicker, I'm going to say. I said that very confidently. Well, I don't have no idea. No, your rights be confident. It's quicker. Not by a huge amount, though. One minute 51.

So you were certainly not too far off, but yes, it was quicker. Having an F1 stinker. Sorry, what's the opposite of that? F1. The belter. Right. Harry, you're pretty impressive but even you, I don't think,

are going to find a way to lose when 3-0 up. We'll soon find out the three questions to go. What number would you like? Number, what's left? You started well. Four? Yeah, that's fine.

How many fastest laps has Lewis Hamilton claimed in F1? Oh, 97. It's not 97. Higher or lower, Lower. He's on the board. Lower is right.

67. Bit washed, isn't he? Oh, pathetic. He just needs two more and it'll be real nice. That's all I'm looking for, baby. I expect it from Sam.

I'm disappointed in you, Harry. I hate how low I am. Right, we've got two questions to go. The comeback is on, Sam. One of what do you like? Five? You can have number five. How many teammates,

has Fernando Alonzo had in his F1 career. Oh, God, Harry knows the exact answer. He's doing it the math as he speaks. For folks not watching YouTube, I'm doing finger counting now. Crickey, mate. Quite a few, in there? That's actually absolutely correct. I'm going to go with 14.

It's spot on. Oh, no way. They can't come back. Oh, baby. Three all. He gets two points for it. Exactly 14 teammates. He didn't think to write them down, but...

I literally couldn't game you half of them. Does not matter in this game, sir. Back and forth, that's where you want that. Oh, yeah, that's true. Three all, which means there is pressure on this final question, but there's even more pressure on Harry Ead. What number would you like? Number one?

He's got it. I've always tempted to give you this. win for that. How many points did Valtre Botta score at Williams? He scored

what in total in his career at Williams? At Williams, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. He scored. 333. Oh, okay.

Nice number. It's not right, though. Sam, you were 3-0 down. If you can give me the right answer, which is, of course, a 50-50. Yeah, right. Of higher or lower, you'll win the game. Well, that's not go up.

It's a 50-50 and now I'm under pressure. But they've all been 50-50s. Well, they're not. There's technically a third option, but it's my turn because I could get it exactly right. Oh, yeah, true, actually. Yeah, right. It's a third three-thirty.

It's a conditional. It happened, boy. It's true. I literally have no idea. I don't know why I'm even puzzling it. I'm going to say lower. It was a 50-3. 50 to win it all.

He was 3-0 down. He got him back to 3 all. And he's lost 4.3. It's not lower it. 411 points he scored at Williams. That's not bad, guess either, Harry. Too fair? Yeah, not far off.

He had three good years, isn't he? Well, 13, 13 doesn't really count. Nothing happened. He was there in 13, but yes. Yeah. That was, what a ride that was. I'll take it. I was a journey.

I'll take it. I'm trying to work out who the 14 teammates of Fernando Alonzo were. Anyway, I'll do that on my own time. Back and forth. Stay with us. We'll be here for another 10 minutes. We just hear that Harry do that. We actually don't have a question of the week this week.

Sorry about that because we are recording early in the week to make sure that all three of us can be on the episode because we know you like that. So no question of the week. Busy boys. I will somewhat confidently say there will be a question of the week next week because I don't think we're recording on a Monday

but I'm not going to say it incredibly confidently I think you'll get one next week You'll have to follow us on social media to find out indeed Sam would you mind getting us out of here Folks remember five star reviews or Harry will cry I will do it live on YouTube I'll get on Twitch to cry for you all

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