The Late Braking F1 Podcast - How should McLaren handle team orders this season?

Episode Date: January 20, 2025

Please... no more Papaya Rules! The LB boys discuss whether Norris vs. Piastri may present problems for McLaren this year, and how the team should approach the challenge. They also discuss Verstappen's race ban threat, share what they are looking forward to this F1 season, and play a game of Show Me The Options... FOLLOW us on socials! You can find us on YouTube, Instagram, X (Twitter) and TikTok SUPPORT our Patreon for bonus episodes JOIN our Discord community JOIN our F1 Fantasy League EMAIL us at [e-mail]   & SUBSCRIBE to our podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to check out new episodes every Wednesday and every Sunday. Welcome to the Late Breaking F1 podcast presented by Harry Ead, Sam Sage, and me, Ben Hocking. For the first time in 2025, we're all in the same place. This is a bit professional, isn't it? It's a different place. I don't think...

Your living room is looking lovely, me. You know those curtains, everyone's slacked off? I just blocked up the wall. Honestly, I'd concrete in the wall. I thought, make it green. So if you're watching on YouTube, you want to come check this bad boy out. I'll tell you what, I don't know how long we're going to stay here until someone realizes we're trespassing, but we better get on with this.

We better, yeah. It's like we're professional. It's going to be times two, folks, this episode. Yeah, I don't feel right being here. This is far too much. You're great in an armchair. I love an armchair. Do you feel at home?

Ben, you give off armchair energy. Armchair vibes. Armchair Ben, that's what we say. From Bennington. We were talking very briefly before we started this episode of the journey that we've come on. And from our first, like, what we called LB News back in 2016, which wasn't a podcast, but we used Skype. And it's a bit of a glow up. It's a little bit better.

I'm not a tiny box on the street. Yeah, we work on our beds doing it as well. Yeah. Good times. Santhro and Mars bar out of the window. It was a kicker, I was sorry. Can you get the brand? Socho Paris was in our hearts even then. Jonathan will remember. He's still crying about losing that kicker.

Well, yeah, because it smashed his car up. Right, let's get on with some F1. We're going to be playing Show Me the Options a little bit later on. We've got a top five of things we're looking forward to in 2025. Have you thought of any of them yet? I did it on the train. Well done. If you haven't all done.

Got like a real list. I'm in the same place. I can actually punch you. Get up and walk around the table. Actually would. But we're going to start today with some comments from Andrea Stella about his line up going into 2025 because he has outlined how McLaren will approach the situation should both Norris and Piastri find themselves fighting for the championship in 2025.

Stella described the situation as having complications, but that they were complications already somewhat faced in 2024. And he said, the driver, and the drivers have always approached this in a cohesive way and any solution needs to put the team first. Sam, he describes this as an opportunity rather than a problem. Is he right in saying that? Yeah, 100%. If they find themselves from race one to be in suction and such a half and so you're not finishing with the 17th in the DNF, then they've kickstarting much better than previously. And if they've got a car that is leaving 2024 and entering 2025 with that same level,

of competitiveness where they could find themselves right at the front, you know, either front row, pole position, top four, whatever it might be. Having both drivers there immediately should, in theory, make the journey to a championship much smoother than it was last year. I mean, it's set to be just as competitive. We know that the investment going into rival teams is looking to be minimal. We know that most are focusing on 2026 and that there will be very little change. It very much gives off 2021 vibes in the sense that we're going to see a massive change.

changing in those kind of regulations. So why would you spend big time on this championship? It's going to be very static. I imagine that having two drivers as talented and Norris and Piastri fighting right at the very front is a huge opportunity, especially for Mr. Marketing Man himself, Zach Brown, who wants to be on the camera as much as possible with his team, sponsors on the camera to show off that McLaren team as much as possible. Having two people fighting for the front is exactly what every F1 team wants.

It is the perfect problem to have to mitigate. we saw it with Rossburg and Hamilton when we did our classic review in 2014. They led almost every Grand Prix, almost every single lap of that season. And yeah, it got feisty, but you remember it for being a fight between those two and Mercedes were front and center all of the time.

So it's a perfect opportunity for them to continue to grow in this Goliath manor that McLaren had been pushing forward in the last couple of years. Is Andrea right to focus on the positives here and see it is that opportunity rather than, oh God, going to have to deal with these two next year.

I, look, the glass half full, not empty approach is the right way to be. But I think he's on hopium. Oh, no. I think this is, not as it's wishful thinking, but I think he's, it's almost like a warning shot to the pair of them to be like, please don't, please don't cause me a problem. Spain tone one, no, Spain tone one. Yeah. Got a great call.

Oh, don't bring it out. It's, I think, I know, look, it's going to be great for them if they are both drivers. but we've seen how silly McLaren can be. What are you talking about? Silly. Yeah, I know. But incredibly quick. Very fast.

Very silly. Fast but silly. And I think this, if they are both in contention for a title, there's no way they're not going to come across each other and trip over each other during the season. So yes, I think he's right to be optimistic about the year ahead. They've got two great drivers, but it's almost naive to think that it couldn't be a problem

because it could well be. We've seen it so many times before. You reference Spain, so Hamilton-Rosburgh, you go back further than that, you've got, you know, Senna Brost. This is... I mean, Vetter and Weber?

Vettel... Huh? Did they crash? The Senna and Frost. Famously never near each other on a racetrack, actually. Do you know what? This is completely off topic. Yesterday, I watched a tiny bit of the centre.

Oh, you're starting it? Well, no, I was just flicking through what the episodes were, and I went to the Laster. episode because that's a great place to start any TV program. Terrible. Terrible. You're giving it a zero. Absolutely awful.

Anyway. No booms. But anyway, yeah, so for Andreas, I think he's right to go in with this approach, but I think if he's banking on this, then he might be a bit disappointed afterwards. I think he's right to frame it this way and be positive about the situation rather than negative because he would have witnessed. last season, the bad effect of what the opposite is, which is Red Bull. He doesn't want that.

If he didn't want the problem, he could be in the same situation of that second driver not being able to contribute well enough. It isn't like completely black and white in that it's not just it's an opportunity or it's a problem. Like a problem can have opportunity and an opportunity can have problems. It's not quite black and white. but I think he's right to be talking about it. I appreciate what you say, Harry, that it's maybe wishful thinking,

but I'd rather he was open about it at this point, rather than just pretend that it's not going to be a thing. At least he's being prepared in that sense. He also mentions in the quote that he's still like the number one priority is getting a car that's good enough for both of them as well, which, yes, that should be his number one priority because all of this conversation becomes meaningless if that car has taken three steps back on what it was in 2024.

And look, it's a lineup that has more experience, weirdly, as a team, than 80% of the grid. We've spoken about how Alonzo and Stroll is the only other team on the grid this season that is retaining the same lineup as they had at the beginning of last season. And unless Aston Martin have really turned things around, they're probably not competing for the championship, which leaves Piastri and Norris as that lineup that, you know, they should use that experience advantage over the competition

rather than let it drag them down. Of course, as he refers to 2024, it wasn't the only time that it's not like it's a brand new conversation. We had Papa rules last year. We have so much more of that, aren't we? Yep. How do you think they will handle it if it becomes a situation this year

and what can they learn from 2024? I mean, stop faffing around on the radio. They can't be stopped. They can't be stopped. Sorry, I just need to make that joke again for a second time because he didn't hear it the first. The bird won't stop chirping. Silence the bird.

Yeah, I mean... Campaign for the year, sort of. Silence the bird. Hugh Bird's really annoyed. Yeah, sorry, Hugh. Honestly, so Sam. Sorry, Sam.

Honestly, just keep things short and snappy. Have a clear goal, clear alignment. I don't want obvious team orders here, but if you take your time into the season first, you know, let things play out. Don't jump into race one and go, oh, both our drivers are fighting for the wing here. Don't start faffing around on the radio.

Don't start over-communicating. Weirdly, I bring up that reference again of Canada 2014. team, the communication between each driver, Hamilton and Rosberg, this is, was so open, so clear that it almost actually avoided the need for team orders, because it allowed the drivers to fight each other, but the teams were very, very clear on your teammate and your closest rival is doing X. So you need to do X. And it's like, okay, I know where I'm at. And you know the unwritten rule. You don't take your teammate off. Something that I think McClain are going to have to try and mitigate is Oscar Piacery and Lando Norris, I think distinctly have incredibly different styles of

approaching on-track battles. Lano Norris is fantastic at defending. He's had to be in a car that has been in that midfield. He's fought his way up into kind of an upper midfield car. He's done a brilliant job at kind of getting the most out of that car. But we've seen with his overtaking, especially around the likes of Max Verstappen, he is not as cutthroat or as ruthless in getting those moves done as someone like Oscar Piascrii who, well, he has had to sive his way through a field, just cruises up to the back,

Bam, down the inside, move down, see a later, and on to the next one. But equally, I don't think we've seen Oscar Piastri have to defend utmost wheel to will to will. He's very good under pressure. He's soaked it up on a car that can perform, but it'll be really interesting in the same machine. We'll see how those two go toe to toe with each other. And that's when those team orders or potentially the radio is going to start coming into effect. Just don't badger on.

Just don't sit there, you know, yapper, yapper in their ear going on about it. Keep it clear, keep it concise. Let them get on with it. they'll settle it out on track. I just don't want this to be decided on the pit wall. I think you could argue with Baku, obviously being one of Piastri's best weekends in 2024, it was made somewhat easier by the fact that Landon Norris was nowhere to be

sitting. He had to make his way back. Arguably one of his worst weekends. And I don't know. If Norris is in that fight, maybe McLaren do get a bit silly and they somehow give that win over to Chowler or... Because that move that he delivered on Chalachar Placier, this is,

was phenomenal. It was that cutthroat move that I'm talking. about. It demonstrates what Piastri can do if needed. What can they learn from last season, Harry? Many things. Well, the team radio, like you said, Sam, being slightly more decisive, not even slightly more, more decisive on the team radio with their decisions with team orders, number one. You're right, I think you're right to point out they didn't really go wheel to all last year.

So they can't really take anything from that, but that's pretty going to be one to Italy Lap 1 is probably the... That's about it. Brazil, when Piastri had to move out the way because Norris fell off three times. I mean, yeah. There was no direct... I mean, the mood that Piastri put on Norris on Italy lap 1,

wrong as it was... It wasn't, pulled his pants back up. Come on, mate. But, yeah, I think that's what they're going to take away is the just decisiveness on team orders. Do you know what? They're actually giving off slightly Ferrari of old vibes. I want to say of old, like of 2020,

less than two of a half years. Yeah, of old. Pre-pre-Freddy Vass is what I mean. But yeah, just not clear on a decision or what to do, Hungary being a prime example, papaya rules, etc. They're not setting it out clear enough what the rules of engagement are.

And I think if they do not, they don't to avoid being silly this year, they're going to have to do that soon, i.e. now. Do you think they risk, trying to be too nice to each one of their drivers because they don't want to risk losing them long term? Do you think they're too much of a, oh, we want to make sure Oscar and Lando are happy

rather than try and win? We want to win everything here, and that's the end game that we're going for. I mean, the approach worked well enough last year to get the title. I think with, obviously, with Lando Norris, they've got him signed up longer term. I think Piastri's deal is up at the end of next year, right?

And I guess there's a question mark about why he, I know it's not imminent, but why he hasn't extended on further yet. I think there is an element of keeping them both happy because they know that's one of their strengths is their lineup. You know, we ranked all of the lineups and everyone loved it. And they featured very strongly. Like they were first and second on most people's lists that we saw. And they don't want to lose that unnecessarily.

So keeping them both happy is a way to do that. I have to say, like, in terms of last, I completely agree with what you both say, by the way. They just need to be more decisive. And you can't be too hard and fast about the rules either because each racing situation is so far different from another that it's difficult to put that in place. Like so many factors change of where your drivers are on track,

where your rivals are on track, what race it is in the season, how many races you've got to go, the points margin between the two drivers, you wouldn't be able to account for all of those situations. It'd be impossible. They just need to be more decisive in each individual situation. And you mentioned Hungary, the easiest way they could have avoided all of that was just not mess up in the first place. They didn't need to do the pit stops the way around they did. Piastri could have stopped first, then Norris could have stopped, and they would have, they would have, they would have, they would have, aid first and second in the order that they were and they don't have to worry about all of this.

Or Landon Norris does actually have to pace to catch up to a piastri in that Grand Prix. And it's a legitimate on-track overtake. They need to be more like, ironically, they need to be more like Ferrari, but not of 2022, but of 2002. Because whilst there were some controversial calls back then. What's that? Yeah. One or two, yeah.

I remember that. You can't, one thing you couldn't say about Ferrari of that era was, They're not very decisive, are they? You know what? I just wish they'd prioritise Schumacher once or twice. And I'm not suggesting that they should do that for either driver, but it's just I have more concerned with McLaren doing things too late than too early. Put it that way.

Yeah, don't be Sebastian Vettel, Charles LeClaire, race one Ferrari, but don't go as far to be Schumacher Barakello for a row. There's a nice middle ground that you could take there that seems fair. I also think like they just need to take care as well with their two drivers because in their own ways, they might feel like McLaren owe them a little bit because with Lando Norris, it's like, great, I did everything I needed to do to get your constructors title. Box ticked. Driver's title this year would be all right. And Piastri, he can claim, well, you know, I played second fiddle sometimes in 2024.

Might not do that in 2025. So I think both of them can kind of make a case of, yeah, I might look out for myself a bit more this year versus last year. I do see a point. I think it's fair. But I also think each driver individually has something that they also need to prove. Landon did a fantastic job. Whatever against the start. I'm really, really tough.

But if we're going to be honest and open with ourselves, I'm talking to you as well, Norris fans. He was not flawless. There were mistakes. There were areas to improve. He made things harder for himself than he needed to at certain stages. And the starts are an obvious one to bring up. But there were some consistency elements in that as well. And equally with Oscar Piascriy started the season poorly.

It was only his second year, beginning, you know, he just finished his first year at that point, didn't get off to the best start, was further behind than he should have been. And he ended the season poorly, which is odd because he arguably had the best middle run of races than anyone. He was top of the field. So do you want a fun stat on that? I would love a fun stat. Oh, here we go. This is proper anti-Sanoda fun factor.

If you take the first six races and the last six races, Lando Norris scored 178 points. Don't tell me that the middle eight races or whatever it is. He's also scored that many points. Not quite. But first six and last six, Norris scores 178. Piastri scores 96.

Right. So Norris is ahead by 82. It's a big gap. If you look at the middle 12 races, they both have exactly 196 points. No difference in the middle 12 races between them. Wow. So if Piastri levels up,

but you decide there. Exactly, yeah. Okay. So that's my point here, that whilst they can go to the team and say, you know, we play ball, we got you what you needed,

you won your team title, where's our driver's title? They also need to step up themselves. They also need to make sure that they are delivering every single element because if McLaren are that dominant force, it's going to come down to on-track battles and strategy and we will see that garage dividing.

And McLaren have almost become known for this ethos of kindness and altogether culture and we know one team one dream. Very much a bit like Mercedes after Bottas joined, it became a bit like we're all in it together, one team, one dream. It's a unifying force. Yeah.

Actually, Bottas does bring all together. Yeah. I will do a lot of things for that long. Well, we don't need to hear them. I mean, it actually lines up with our first break. We're going to talk about Max Verstappen and the potential of a race ban hitting him in the early part of 2025. Welcome back, everyone.

one. Max Verstappen, he starts this 2025 season on eight penalty points and you need 12, as Kevin Magnuson found out in 2024, to get a race ban. None of his points will be removed until the British Grand Prix. So he's going to be on a minimum of eight for quite a long time to start this 2025 season. Helmut Marco said he needs to start being careful. Max Verstappen doesn't agree. He said, I won't change my driving style because of this. Is he right not to, alter his approach, even with the potential of a race ban with a couple of more incidents. I don't know if I've noticed. It's quite good at the F-1.

It's pretty good. Famously quite successful. Has won a few titles now, got quite a few race wings. So wouldn't shift things around too much if I was Max Verstappen. He's good everywhere. If he's got the dominant car, bye-bye. Max is gone. If he hasn't got the dominant car and he used to fight it out on the track,

his car positioning is some of the best I've ever seen. I go back to Codesa because we were there and we were overlooking the end of sector two all the way through to basically be all right, all right, all right. The McConaughey corner that is the long right-hander in Austin. And he had that fight with Lando, lap after lap after lap. And that McLaren was distinctly faster.

But the way he kept positioning that car to stop the overtake being made, and almost forced Lando into that off-trap move that they both made. right or wrongly, was phenomenal the way he held him up for as long as he did. So whilst he does need to be careful of crashing, breaking the rules, Max Verstappen has always been brilliant at going. I know that this is the exact line in the rule book. I'm going to drive and use that to my exact eighth degree,

and I will only drive to the lying in the rulebook. You heard him. He said, until I've been punished for these actions, i.e. the defense on Norris, why won't I keep doing it? Why would I change what I'm doing? Because technically, it's within the rules. They alter the rules, they change the punishments.

I would be surprised if we see any more of a stappan dive bombing where he forces drivers six, seven car lengths off track like we saw with in Mexico against Norris. But I wouldn't be... He avoids that. I think that's the only thing he cuts out. I think with everything else, he will be just as feisty, just as ruthless.

And why shouldn't he be? It's a recipe for success. It's proving even when he's not in a leading car, it gets him the results he needs. So unless all of Formula One rapidly changes between the end of 20204 and the start of 2025, I'm not sure much needs to alter for him. What do you think?

Does he need to alter his approach? No. Unless, I know it was rumoured at the end of last year that the drivers want, you know, the rules to be set out clearly before the start of the season. Unless that changes how the regulations are written, then no, because as you said, Sam, he's quite good of the F1, and nine times out of ten, we don't necessarily agree with it,

but nine thousand out of ten, he's not punished because he's within the rules, Mexico being the, you know, the tenth time where it wasn't really within the rules. Just a step too far. So if that's the only, you know, the rest of the time, he can survive all the way to Silverston if he's, you know, going to get away with it that amount. So I don't see him changing. I don't think he should change because, again, don't agree with it necessarily, but he's driving to the rules.

And also, if he did change, it's almost like, kind of Senna-esque or Schumacher-esque, where he's now got this, like, reputation, almost aura, as the kids might say, about him, that you, a driver will probably think twice,

not all of them, but most of us will probably think twice about making a move on Bastappen. You could probably even see Atlanta Norris's head when he's trying to make a move last year, especially with the champion. on the line. He doesn't, he's not sure necessarily what Max is going to do.

And that alone makes him quite difficult to overtake. So I think for him to change, it would be a mistake anyway. But having watched Max Verstappen for a few years now, he is allergic to change. Have you seen the post that F-1 did it about his arrival when he arrives into the panic each race? What he's wearing each race? The post of it yesterday. Is it the same thing? Same thing.

Every single time. Every time. He was just wearing the red bull top cap jeans. As a man who is on the spectrum, that comfortable level of, yeah, thank you, Max, for delivering that comfort level because my guy. Abu Dhabi, he goes to the move on Piastri. He gets a penalty for that and penalty points.

Does he do that, first race of the season, second race in the season? Well, no, because that was a man driving with no championship to win at that point. If he's winning the, we've seen it, he's come back from 17th or whatever on the grid at SPAR, and he watches lap 1, he's just driving very, very conservative, not even conservative.

It's clinical. You're just, but like, judging everything. There's no dive bombs. Abidabi, he's just there for the banter at that point. He doesn't care. Oh, no, I'll spy. No, I'll carry on. No, mind.

You know it, because he apologised to Piastri after that incident. What exactly? He's like, yeah, well, my bad. And you know what, fair play to him for getting out of the car and going, I'm muck that up. Sorry. That's on me, but I don't care. That's on me, but I'm also a champ, so these things happen.

Move of the world champion. Yes, it was. Big up to all those up there with world champs for that game. That's fact there, Oscar. Good work. Yeah, I agree with you both. I think Vestappen thrives on his style and also kind of what you were saying, Harry,

his reputation and how it precedes him. Others, they fear him. And as soon as you compromise on your style of racing because you're looking at penalty points, that aura kind of goes away, right? At least a little bit. So because this is one of the reasons why outside of his or inspiring pace, because that's one of the reasons why he is as successful as he is, he needs to keep doing that, even if it results in him taking a race ban, because there is a case to say, well, if the championship is closer this year because Red Bull don't have that head start in the first

six or seven races. Vastappen might need 24 races rather than 23 to get it done. I get that. I still think even if it does result in a race ban, he shouldn't alter his style, because people will just remember it. I mean, you're right to break up last season. Look how close it was throughout the whole of the year.

You can still take a race off and win it. It literally wouldn't matter. Can't wait for him to get a race ban. Welcome back, Daniel Ricardo. Did you imagine? Oh, God. He'd do some funny act or he'd turn up in all of Max's gear

with like a helmet on or something. He'd be like, I'm back. Yeah. I didn't go anywhere. Like a step to side. Ricardo. Perez, like a joint social poster.

We were asked to do this. We both said no. The auntie singe over stepping. God, yeah. That would be a bit of a reshuffle. I think like maybe if you get to, let's say one or two races before the British GP, then maybe he very slightly adjusts what he's doing.

Like he doesn't go for a move, knowing that he only needs to wait out one more race before some points actually go off his license. I mean, Fernando Walzo is in a little bit of a similar situation to start the year off. I think some of his points go off earlier than Verstappans do. He's going to get a race ban just to get the clean sheet for 2026. No, he'll do it.

He'll do it to miss a sprint weekend. I don't want to do this weekend. Next one is spring. Who can I crash into? Kevin Magnusson's in their corner, both going, now completely cut the corner and don't break. Question is, I would ask to Martin make sure that Druggovich still doesn't race the car. Who else can we bring back?

Literally anyone. Yeah, literally. Suffle Van Dorn. Yeah. Big up stuff. The waffle. Of this, Duffel Van Dund. Should others try and take advantage of the fact that Vastappen is close to a race band?

You need to. Max Vastappen, as we've already mentioned, he's an aura-filled man. Three times. Well, I'll make it the hack trick. He's... Horror, bro. No, that's it. We're done.

The podcast is over. Thanks, guys. He's a threatening guy. He's fearful and he's so talented that you have to, when you're coming up against an all-time great, you have to exploit any weakness that's available to them. Any, you know, the Achilles heel of Max Verstappen might just be. He's in a world title fight.

It is going down to the wire, and it's the race before one may think they can capitalize on. Take advantage. make him so close that he's got to back out for once and he's sure that actually you've got the upper hand. This is a perfect situation where if you have got teammates like Piaschri and Norris, and let's say Piazri has a stinker at the start of the year. He's not in that side to fight, but Norris is leading the way.

You put Piazari all over for Stappan and you go, oh, you're going to hit me? Oh, you might hit me here. He takes a race ban and Norris gets another free hit at a possible race win without the Stappan even involved. You've got to think tactically, strategically about how to get the best. out of your drivers while removing Max Verstappen from the equation because we keep hearing the whole he's what, Thanos and he's inevitable. Max Verstappen will always appear. You're going to get

him gone. You're going to remove him from the equation entirely. And if that's a way of doing it, take advantage. Should they take advantage of that potential race ban? Yeah, I think so. I also think it's, there's obviously going for moves that he might, he's going to jump out the way of them, but he might think twice about. I think there's also, if they can get, into his head and make him have a mad max race like a hungry or just put hamilton on turn one of hangary well you're just showing hamilton's fair no he's going to keep hitting the masege's you'll probably think that hamilton's a lot poor antonnelli and so it's like it's not me no no answer Mario yeah it's not me it's a not to me it's a not to me

but if they can get into his head somewhat or wind him up over a race weekend that's where he's going to get angry and start doing silly stuff like Hungary with Hamilton or in Mexico and Norris and that's where the potential

of some more points on his license come in so definitely it's one they should be bearing in mind it'll be real banter if he does get a race ban I just can't wait who would actually drive that car. But also the race ban,

and then you know the race he comes back, he will annihilate everyone. You can go, a parity points, huh? D.C. steps into the car. You should probably take a look at Vastafans in, you know, Sim racing calendar to see

if there's anything that lines up. It was a 24-hour race on the same weekend. I'd rather do that. Yeah, Daytona 24 is happening about now, so Yobi Le Mong, around Silverstone. I think others really should take advantage of this,

because to an extent, to beat Max Verstappen, you have to beat him at his own game. And Vastappen is almost the blueprint of how you do what we're talking about. He did it pretty much all of the second half of last season, where he was getting into situations side by side with Lando Norris, attacking Lando Norris, defending against Lando Norris. And he knew that he could afford a crash way more than Lando Norris could because Vestappen was the one with the points advantage. and he was using the situation of the championship to his benefit. And now, I think other drivers need to do the same thing of, well, we all start at zero.

If we're side by side, actually, I've got two penalty points or I've got no penalty points. If something goes really horribly wrong, I'll take two. But it's fine. You can't because then suddenly you're very close to a race band. So I think others would be foolish not to... Before we head off into a second break, I realized after I was cleaning out the other day and I didn't know what to do with the five stars.

Oh, for God's sake. I found a bit of change as well. Oh, my God. I think of know where that was going on the back of the sofa. That's absolutely apt me. He sent me there. I had no idea where that was going to. I thought, what's he cleaning out?

Oh, these lovely little British pounds? What can I do with these? We're a couple of cents down there as well, US dollars. Surely? You know what? I found a lot of different currencies. Really? All currencies applied to what we're about to say.

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Right. Should we take our second break? On the other side, we're going through our top five things we're looking forward to in 2025. Welcome back, everyone. Third part of today's episode, we are going to be, we're going to be positive.

We're going to be happy. We. Because there's plenty to look forward to in 2025 in the F1 world. We're going to give you a top five list of what we're looking forward to. Might well be some crossover on these lists. But hey, we're being positive so you can't have a go on us. Harry, what is number. It's in a list.

Well, thank you. Welcome, mate. Number five on my list I've put Adrian Nui at Aston Martin Now I know he's probably not going to make a great deal of difference For the 2025 car But I'm just already excited about that prospect And who knows he's joining in March

I'm sure he can have a little bit of input on what's happening this year It wouldn't be straight away I still have visions of him walking in And immediately seeing the designs and car going Good Lord No no no no no whipping out like a napkin with the next year's car on it. My bad, I thought we were designing an F1 car.

What a tractor. That's a real savage. You just roast everyone. Sorry, is this a scang your lorry? But yeah, it's, you know, that's an exciting story on for this year, despite the fact that we probably won't see the fruits of his labour straight away. That's still a big, big one to look forward to, I think. Five for you. Five for me is

Rookie Wars Which I've dubbed Team 8 was the sequel Correct Much better version We've got a lot of rookies Last year we had almost no moves at all throughout the season Of course we had some mid-season replacements

But we've got a lot of juniors Stepping into Formula One this year And I always find it really fascinating To see who sinks, who swims Who can come to the level that Formula One requires so quickly And even our most recent YouTube video When we did our teammate rankings

of the best teammate lineups. The amount of difference of opinions of, you know, Bermen's overhyped or anyone's better than Stroll or Hagar is actually much better than you think. It's clearly a very contradictory

conversation point that a lot of people want to weigh in on. I'm fascinated to see who makes it to that level requiring Formula One. And I think because of the way the cars are going to be set up this year, we're going to see a lot of crossover.

We've already spoken about the team that I've got a number five, but McCarron is my five. I'm really intrigued to see what we get from them this year. Are they going to kick on more than they did in 2024? Obviously, what they did last year was good enough for a Constructors Championship, but with potentially renewed efforts from other teams around them, will they be able to hold on to that crown?

It's one thing getting to the top, is another thing staying there? And Oscar Piastri has the potential to kick on. And we've got Lando Norris, who also has the potential to kick on as well. and it's going to be interesting to see if Piastri makes that next step from season two to season three, whether that's good enough to be on a level playing field with Lando Norris, or actually will Norris kick on even more based on his poor star, sometimes his if he will to wheel racing. If he sorts a couple of those out, then maybe he can kick on even more.

And I know we've already mentioned 17 for the DNF from Bahrain a couple of years ago, and it was no way near that bad last year, but they still started slow. not only compared to Red Bull, who pretty much did a clean sweep of the first six races, apart from Australia, but they were comfortably behind Ferrari in the first quarter of last year as well. So if they're able to start somewhere where they were in the middle to end of 2024, they're going to be tricky to stop. So I'm intrigued to see that. Number four for you, Harry. I've put Carlos Sines at Williams.

Despite the photo he's put on his Instagram the other day where he looked dead. behind the eyes. Outside the Williams factory. It's cold. We're just like, it's so cold and why am I here? Why is it all blue? Why have I ended up here?

He's got a tough job as well. He's the only driver for Williams this year. That's a very good point. Alex Albon, who? The number 23 has been banned from their social media. But despite the fact that, yeah, he did, you know, the lights were on a normal time.

This is a big opportunity for Carlos. And I know this year, again, is probably the building year, they're looking towards 2026 as their main goal. But it's, I think, A, establishing himself straight away versus Alex Album. And then it's, this is a big project for him. Not many drivers get these opportunities. And he could have the opportunity to, obviously, he's going to rely on the team

making a good car. But there's a lot of input, a lot of expertise he can bring from, from Ferrari. And I think it's a really crucial year for him. So I'm going forward to see how that goes. goes. Number four, I've got rookie wars. I didn't actually write down rookie wars, but yeah, I've got the same thing. Can we get the X-Factor guy to do that?

Rookie Wars. Rachel Adagee. It's also deaf and producer, Kirstie. Sorry, Kirsty. You would think with the fact that we've got like three proper, proper rookies, as if they've never proper rookies that have never done a race before, I'm a rookie No cane rookie

James Unwood wipe the floor of all he was never a rookie He got out of the car Absolutely smash him He came in his 10 years experienced He was born behind the wheel

Came out and a F1 car He took a scream And he went Vroom Vroom Okay Yeah there are three proper rookies None of them are James Hunt

And there are like Three Some what rookies of doing's only done one race, Berman's only done three, and even Liam Lawson's kind of only done two, like stints of like six races. So about half a season.

Yeah, exactly. So you would think, based on the law of averages, one of them's got to be pretty good. And in all likelihood, more than one. But it's going to be really intriguing to see, I think, are any of them like special, do any of them go beyond good and great? Because a lot of hype around Antonelli,

a lot of hype around Behrman. We've got the F2 champion. We've got the F2 runner up. I think it's got the potential as a rookie class to be the best rookie class since Norris, Russell, Albon, LeCler. That feels almost like the golden standard for rookie classes.

Yeah, I'm talking, yeah, like 2018, 2019 when those four drivers sort of came through, I feel like this has the potential because after that, after 2019, is it safe to say that Piastri's only really been good working Sonoda If Sonoda second

Yeah Joe is definitely not a contender in that group Not let'sifi My point has been made Sergeant yeah Should also throw Gassley In the first group

I realised as well That's sort of 2018 Group So yeah I am really looking forward To seeing You know How they compare

Against their more experienced teammates In most instances Third place Harry I've gone for rookie war. I didn't give a fourth place. You don't get a fourth place.

Oh, okay. That's how it works, is it? Fine, I'll try my... I'll do second, then we'll go back to your four. Oh, that makes sense, sure. What's your fourth? My apologies, swiping. It's not even new.

It's just Adrian Nui. He didn't get to really make a car at Red Bull. I know obviously they were fantastic, but he was very much becoming a consultant at Red Bull and there was a team around the car. I just feel like we're going to get the old Maestro really stuck in properly. at Austin Martin will see the napkins come out

as we can mention the real-life drawings where he'll just delve into the ether of atoms and it will just create something in front of him because he goes seem to have that ability. But that's what I wanted to say, all right, we can get back onto the real list that people care about, not mine.

Rookie Wars. We should Craig Charles to do it. Craig Charles against rookie wars. I'd actually written the next generation to kill a lot. Matilda. Yeah. I'd actually written the next generation rather than rookie wars,

but you made on more points, Ben. This is probably the most exciting bunch of rookies. What's the name for a bunch of rookies? An unkindness of us. A school? A school of rookies. But it's probably the most exciting group of new drivers into the sport we've had since that 2018 period.

And it just sort of happens like that. We get like an influx of them like we had in 2018. this feels like the next batch of them. They'll all get off the school coax together. Yeah. All the others

that we still, they're like, oh God. Fernando's still here. This is probably the steward marshing them out. Come on, kids.

What's Lewis Howlton doing on that a bus? He's a, not a me. It's a Kimi. Max is already wranging at him. Not funny at all. It's not for me.

No, no. I'm a Kimmy Adderale. but yeah not much more to add than that is I'm just quite excited to see how this how this group performed because yeah they're going to they are the future of the sport in the same way we're now watching Russell LeCler Norris at the front

these guys I mean Anthony May will be at the front immediately but they will be in Ferrari right but these guys are going to be the front very soon I think so yeah are we old now yes Well, just like generally are we old?

Yeah. Yeah, we hit that line. Yeah. We're old in the majority of the F1 grid at this point. I saw something. George Russell is now in the older half of drivers. How old is he, 28, 27? He is.

He's born in 98. Oh, God. It's only 26 becoming 27. Yeah. He looks older than me, though. By older, I mean, just more of a man. Got his life together. mature is the word you're looking for you.

I went to Starbucks this morning. It was unsure whether I should get something called a berry pot or if I should have a sausage sandwich which George Russell is out there over again the world. Didn't get any points on anything, did you? What's this about a franchise situation? Where's my star points? Sorry, number three.

I've got Hamilton and Ferrari as a whole. I'm really excited for the LeClaire Hamilton duo. If the car's there from the off, if they do kickstart 2025, in a similar vein to 2020. but they just don't do the Canada issue. There's a real chance that that duo, if Hamilton feels comfortable in that car,

could really be something quite special and we can have a real dynamic duo fighting in that team. So I'm very excited for Ferrari. In the same vein that you were excited for McLaren that you mentioned, I think that there could be something truly special there. We could get a line up for the ages. So fingers crossed. Hamilton, one, likes the car and two,

the car is actually worth doing something because Lecler is going to deliver regardless at the moment. He's just on such good form. I feel like I've cheated a bit because I've gone quite vague. I'm excited about Adrian Nui at Aston Martin, but I'm also excited for a lot of what's to come in 2026. So I've just gone with sort of 26 prep, which includes Adrian Nui moving across and seeing what changes.

He instills it at Aston Martin, but also Cadillac and Audi. And we've got, I know the Audi driver lineups settled, but there could be, we know Jonathan Wheatley's got an early. a start date, I believe. He's in there pretty soon, right? Red ball, let him go over. Yeah, I think he started beginning of age.

Yeah, they were just like, go on, then off you go. But I've got some more notice. No, no, off you go. No, go away. I've heard it's harvest season. Because it's weak. Oh, right.

Yeah, that's good. That's good. Nice. Sure. I don't know. I'd expect some more hires to come from them, and then you've got Cadillac. We've got two new drivers

to come in for Cadillac that we don't yet know. Plus, we should have and have some more staff moves. So we'll get a clearer idea of the regulations as we go through the year as well. So I think just overall excitement for the new regulations is third for me. Second, Harry.

Lewis Hamilton and Ferrari. In the same way, and I'm still not ready for it because I just... When will you be ready for it? At what point will he be fine? When I see him in a Ferrari overall... Race one.

I don't know if... Will it? Maybe. Maybe the end of the year. That man's having a week, away. I saw him out with, I saw him down the road. Yeah, with Sophia Vigara,

out having coffee, however it was. He did someone. He can pretty do that. That man, he looked, he's having a great time. He did the classic thing that he does

when he wings a race and he stands with his hand on his chest, and that's how he was saying goodbye to her at the coffee shop. And I'm like, winging a race, Sophia Vigara, two things I won't ever experience in my life.

And there's an image of him and say, goodbye to someone at a copy shop. Oh, yeah. I'm just going at at Starbucks. Where's my stars? What are you guests left? Get me on that board again.

Where's my stars? And I saw him with an image with about 27 suitcases rolling into it. Yeah, I didn't see that one. Someone went that three outfits for Lewis. Yeah, he's arrived in Marinello. Look, I know it's not the same,

but this to me feels as momentous and as significant as when Schumacher came back. from retirement to go to Mercedes. Now, I know Hamilton's not been retired, obviously, for the past three years, but maybe somewhat absent in the, you know, the...

Versus the norm, yeah. You just step to side. Yeah, you just stepped aside for a bit. And this feels like the comeback almost. But he's a different team. It's that different to what we're used to, that I'm just really looking for that story. Where do you think it ranks on the biggest moves

in F1 history? That's up there. I think it might be the one. It could be, I think the Schumacher to Mercedes comeback is pretty up there. Hamilton to Fry might top it. If it goes well, then it will. Yeah, it might.

I think it might be number one. I think it could be number one. I saw a list the other day, so I'd bring it out. It was ninth. Yeah. The biggest moves. The biggest moves of all time.

It was ninth. Be fair, Mansell to McLaren for a few races in 1995, probably tops it, right? It was big enough because he couldn't fit in the car. Oh, all about the mustache. Yeah, it's just the mustache. I'm not getting in the helmet. Is that shape?

Not ideal. Never. What? Second place for me, I've kind of just extended that on a little bit to say the Ferrari lineup, because I'm just intrigued to see how Hamilton does versus LeCler. I mean, I'm intrigued by everything Hamilton to Ferrari related, just how he integrates with the team and Freddie Bass and everything else. But I'm just so intrigued to see, like, Shao LaCleur, who we know.

is operating at the top of his game, is great in qualifying, was one of the best drivers of last season. Can Hamilton, who LeCler's an established force at Ferrari now? He's been there a number of years. Can Hamilton live with him? And can Hamilton beat him?

I don't know the answer, and we're going to have to give an answer in teammate wars in about a month's time, but I'm just intrigued to see which way it goes. And how it is early on, I guess, as well. It might be a case of Hamilton does eventually, get up to the pace of Leclair, but maybe it doesn't happen in the first six races. Maybe it happens from race one, like we saw when he joined McLaren in his first ever race.

We don't know, and I'm interested to see. Number two. Number two, I've got a liver reveal at the O2. I'm really intrigued by this event. It could be an absolute mess. We might need to call in the mopper bucket to sweep it all up because it's that much of a mess. or this ends up being the formula that we do things for many years to come. But this is the formula.

Thank you. Well, I am. We all know I love liveries. I love the way that the cars look. I'm really hopeful that because it is an event, they might try and do something. I'm going to be so disappointed the day after. It gets more carbon fibre than paint.

I will rant her bag on the show, so stay tuned. But I'm really exciting to see how it unfolds. If I want to send me a ticket, please. There's a PO box in the description. When you're talking about livery reveal, I'm assuming you mean nine teams, not ten. Of course, because Alpine will just turn up with a grey. You've already seen the Alpine one, haven't we?

Oh, yes, of course. I've gone for the pink again, clearly, apparently. I'm not buying it. Flavio. Flavio is little video. It's also exactly the same design. It was only two years ago. It's actually the 2022 car.

Just no one's told Flav. There's a picture of it. Hey, it's quicker. That's true. What are you most excited about in 2025? I had written down Red Bull. versus McLaren versus Mercedes versus Ferrari.

Because I think, I've said this already, I think 2025 has the potential to have a four-team fight for a championship, which if that does happen, this could be an all-timer. I just, as you said, Sam, no one's going to invest too much in this year because of 2026. The field has already closed up significantly, even in 2024. especially versus 2023. And I think, yeah, the potential's there for,

it happened on occasions last year, but I think we've got the potential for this to happen at every race. I put Mercedes last on my list because who knows what they'll turn up with. They literally don't understand how a car works anymore. But if they can make that car work at all tracks, which is the aim of F1,

then it could be. it could be a classic because I think yeah, Vestappen is obviously Verstappen. We've talked about Ferrari with McLaren Hamilton, McLaren with the great drivers and Russell who was on top form. And Lewis Hamilton next to Russell. And Lewis Hamilton

number two next to it. Oh no, it's not to me. It's not to me. Yeah, with Antonelli next to Russell. It could be an all-timer. So that's the thing. I'm really excited for this year. Number one. Bingo. Bingo. Bingo. Bango. Bongo. Bongo. Bish-bash-bush. Yeah, the season could be tasty.

If we've got that equal performance, if everyone does turn up and they are within a tenth of each other, we could have 2012 vibes, you know, and I think it could go all the way through the season and not stop like 2012 kind of did, where it then became a lot more packed into a couple of different teams. Seven incredible drivers, Kimi Antigelli could make that an eighth incredible driver. I think Lawson will do a very good job. We'll have to see if he's actually better than what Perez was delivering. we'll have to see. But it's going to be an absolute mega season. So if it's your first year in Formula One

where you caught the tail end of it, be prepared for absolute whirlwind, I think. Do you know who would be happiest about that 14 battle? Exactly. That's the mind. Because if all four of those teams, they will be desperate to get out early

and focus more on 2026, like as soon as they can. And if none of them can do it, because they're all goading each other to the championship, and they're focusing a bit too much on 25. Astor Martin might be in a good spot. Fernando's there with the smuggest little facing. In 11th, like, yeah. No points for me until next year.

I've gone with, it's similar to what you've said, like last year of regulations, I've focused a bit more on the Drivers' Championship Battle of Vestappen defending his title. Like, how is it going to work if he doesn't get that buffer early on in the season? like he did in 2024, because, and I've said this before in the episode, that I think so much of his mentality down the stretch was based on that points margin.

He did such a phenomenal job of defending the points margin in a car that wasn't capable towards the end of the season. But if that car continues on to the start of this season, how is he going to fare defend? Like, how would he do chasing a championship as well? like we might see that situation if McLaren start well. So I just think there are a number of ways this could go, as you've said. There could be as many as four teams in this fight. And just what that means for Vastappen going for another title. Can't wait to sit.

Okay, let's take our final break on this episode. On the other side, we're playing Show Me the Options. Welcome back, everyone, to the final part of today's episode. And it's time for Show Me the Options. Shut, shut, shut, shut, shut, shut, show me my option. To improvise a little bit about the soundboard, but it's real bleak when there's no soundboard. I miss your soundboard. No, we don't at the moment.

Don't miss it at all. Click a crack on a pub. Show me the options, six questions. I will ask these two in turn to give me a number, and they will definitely remember the numbers that they've already given. and if they want to, if they're confident about the answer, they can go for it, give me the answer, and if they're right, they get two points. But if they want a little bit more help, they can say those four magic words, show me the options. We usually do that. And they'll get three options. And of course, one of them will be right.

And if you get that right, you get one point. Sam, what number would you like? Number five, please, Ben. Number five. How many drivers won a race in 2020? Oh, that's not me. For you. Five. Can you list them?

Not for a point, obviously, but... No. Hamilton, Bottas, Vastapen, LeClaire, Vettel? I'd say, Perez and Gazley, they both won in 2020. Gazzley did, yeah. Paris was secure? Was that in 2020? It was even more than that then, croaking.

And then the other three you started the list with, but it is five. Oh, way! Two points for... Ferrari drivers win in 2020? No, the Claire didn't. Oh, I thought, I mean, that Ferrari was... No, I can't say what I wanted to say. Bix Pup.

Bari wasn't very good. Bit bad. Engine was real sleigh of some reason, but... Oh, yeah. I've heard of 2019, it was, yeah. Weird? It's actually drastic change. Hmm. Anyway, Harry, what number would you like?

Number six, please. If you can get the first one. Honestly. I've really forgot what Sam said. So we've had five and six so far. Good. Where was Danny Kviat's last race for Red Bull? The Russian GP.

It was the Russian GP. You're absolutely right. He'd hit battle twice. The torpedo. Yes. Like a double strike. I've never seen that. Hit them once, broke their car, but not enough.

So I hit them again. I'll go around again. do something. Do it properly? I respect that. I also, Danny Kaviette, he did get a podium the race before that as well. You can't say it was a wrong decision given who replaced him, but he was hard done by. Yeah. Danny. He also beat Daniel Riccardo the year before. What else did Max for Staff and take? What was it? Oh, no. I was going to say as well, do you see Grojan and Kofiata are in the same, like, Daytona? Oh, no. Oh, no, no. Have they crashed already.

Someone hasn't done their history. Only joking, of course. Right, great start. We're at 2 O. Sam, we're back to you. What number would you like? I'll have number one, please, Ben. Oh, number one.

Who is the only driver to compete in 300 F1 races and not win a driver's title? Oh, cricky, not win a title. Mark Weaver? It is not Mark Weber. Shucks. Any other? No.

Rubens Barakello Rubens Barakello The immortal words of Chris Tarant though I had to take your first answer You do Chris Tarant shout out Excellent work

Love Chris Tarren We're looking Oh we don't want to give you that one though See you're slick Harry back to you want nobody like Number two please Number two Who is the only driver

To finish third In the driver's championship Three times I'm surprised this wasn't question number three. That would be good. A lot of threes going on this. Yeah. SMTO, please, Ben.

Way! Daniel Ricardo, Mark Weber, Robert Kubitsa. Mark Weber. It is Mark Weber. You got the wrong question. Yes, Mark Weber is the right answer, which means we're at 3-2 to Harry.

Back to you, Sam. I'm just going to let Kersie go that she might want to remove her headfans. Of course. Three Pick number three My Lord Which team

did Emerson Fittapaldi win his first championship with Shirt, shirt, shirt, show me my options Your options are Lotus Teryl and BRM I go Lotus please be It is Lotus

Well done He won his second title for McLaren But his first one was With Lotus Big old M Big M The Fitty. Big sideburns.

Big powdery. Now the most important question of all. Nah. Biggest question of the night. Number four. Oh, he's on it. Straight in it. What?

I'm surprised he didn't dab for that. Oh, dear. Who is the youngest driver to start on the front row of the grid? The youngest driver to start on the front row. Show me options. Your options are Max Vastappen Hi me, Alge Swari

famously, Algariswari, obviously. And Lanchthroll. Now that is a trio of people you were never expecting a bar together. Fair. Youngest driver to start on the front. Unless Algaruroy was DJing, of course.

Yeah, great DJ. I felt like this is a trick question, but I'm going to go Vistappan. It's stroll, isn't it? It is. God damn. The youngest driver to start on the front road at the cruise.

Because I was trying to think 2020, Turkey. But he wasn't that. He was pretty old by then. Baku. I can't remember the year, but I think he started on the front row of the Italian. He didn't qualify there, but I think someone got a penalty and he started second. But I don't remember which 2017.

These are the questions we live for. Yeah. I knew you. Yeah. Landstrol was the youngest driver's starting the front row of the grid. Which means, after all that, three all draw. I'll take it. Wasted your time once again, folks.

Yeah. A lot of draws recently. That's a dear. that's about it I don't really want to end the episode because as soon as we end the episode this all goes away and we go back to we put the window back in some of the living room

that's true I'll call the construction construction crew back in to the lovely man that does the statistics on how many games I lose a year you better be going down these drawers so I don't think I've won one yet but I've drawn a few I've definitely won one one

when we like one all or something maybe well we are one all maybe I'll have a look man with the stats please Make it count. I think the rule is actually you get this space, this studio, for one episode. It's not time. It's actually one episode.

So if we do. Never finish this episode. We make this episode four hours long. Right. Things to do, guys. Yeah, that's fair. We've got a fine day. Yeah, bottle like beer not to drink.

Well, that's a good segue. We do have beer with breaking to do. So if you wouldn't mind getting us out of it. Folks, thanks for listening, of course. Thanks for being with us through the winter break. We know that obviously maybe F1 is not to the front of everyone. minds like it is for us. But those of you that do stick around throughout these episodes, massively appreciate it. There are so many of you now. We hope to be even bigger and better

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