The Late Braking F1 Podcast - Is 2023 so far the most dominant season EVER?!

Episode Date: August 16, 2023

In case you've missed it, Red Bull have been pretty good at the F1 this season... Sam, Ben & Harry consider how the year so far ranks in terms of historically dominant seasons. Also discussed this episode are the rumours of DRS to be taken out of qualifying, the return of porpoising at Mercedes, and Bottas' Audi motivation. They finish with a game of F1: Back and Forth.. FOLLOW us on socials! You can find us on YouTube, Instagram, X (Twitter) and TikTok SUPPORT our Patreon for bonus episodes JOIN our Discord community JOIN our F1 Fantasy League BUY our Merch EMAIL us at [e-mail]   & SUBSCRIBE to our podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ontario, the wait is over. The gold standard of online casinos has arrived. Golden Nugget online casino is live, bringing Vegas-style excitement and a world-class gaming experience right to your fingertips. Whether you're a seasoned player or just starting, signing up is fast and simple. And in just a few clicks, you can have access to our exclusive library of the best slots and top-tier table games. Make the most of your downtime with unbeatable promotions and jackpots that can turn any mundane moment

into a golden opportunity at Golden Nugget Online Casino. Take a spin on the slots, challenge yourself at the tables, or join a live dealer game to feel the thrill of real-time action, all from the comfort of your own devices. Why settle for less when you can go for the gold at Golden Nugget Online Casino. Gambling Problem Call connects Ontario 1866531-260. 19 and over, physically present in Ontario. Eligibility restrictions apply. See Golden Nuggett Casino.com for details.

responsibly. Thank you for listening to the late-breaking F-1 podcast. Make sure to check out new episodes every Wednesday and every Sunday. Welcome to the late-breaking F-1 podcast presented by Harry Ead, Sam Sage, and me, Ben Hocking. We are plowing through the summer break. We're getting there, folks. I think Formula One is just around the corner. All three of us are here today.

We are on the normal pursuit of making sure we can get as many three-person episodes as we possibly can, which means today we are recording on a Monday. So, Sam, what news is going to hit us tomorrow? I imagine that Formula One will be cancelled as a sport. Do you know that last time we've recorded on a Monday on Tuesday, Alftari, Saks Nick DeFries? Lewis Hamilton will sign his contract tomorrow, won't they?

He's going to sign his new deal tomorrow. Happening. Yeah. I reckon Pascal Verline to Mercedes. You're welcome, F1. Welcome to 2017, sort of. I think it's a service we're providing here. Yeah.

We're doing it on a Monday. Expects some F1 news. We sacrifice ourselves for the greater good. Third time in a row, that's come up. Hot fuzz reference. The greater good. Maybe that's the new three. The greater good.

Or the new office. They're like catching them swans then. It's just the one killer, actually. Right, we are definitely not doing any more hot fuzz for the rest of this episode. What are we talking about today? F1 back and forth a bit later on. A bit of fun to be had there. Mercedes suffering from the dreaded P-word porpoising again.

Bit of a chat on that. Rumors that DRS might be taken out of qualifying our thoughts on that potential, but we'll start with this season. I might get a bit more particular than that. This season generally has been a pretty good season for the Red Bull outfit, if you've been paying any attention whatsoever. If you've seen any race this season,

that hasn't been won by Red Bull, you're either lying or watching the wrong season. So the question is, Sam, where do you think it ranks in terms of the most dominant seasons of all time? Is it the most dominant season of all time at this point? At this point, I was going to say, you might need to finish the rest of the season first before I can give you an actual final verdict. That's the answer. That is the answer. Come back to you in December.

Say, if you give me another 15 weeks, I'll have an answer for you at that point. I think it's a tough question. It's almost like, you know, the greatest of all time debate. It's so up. Oh, let's go into that one. Yeah, maybe that should be next week's topic. No, that's healthy. Maybe one of our Q&A questions will get through.

Who is the great civil time? Us. That's correct. Oh, God, you've thrown me right off the topic here. Greatest seasons for our team, most dominant seasons. I mean, 2014 Mercedes is kind of the other one that immediately jumps out as, you know, ridiculously dominant. And again, that came through because of a new era coming in.

with development and total changes into the engines. Of course, it's the start of the hybrid era. If you're new to Formula One, go back and watch it because it will put you to sleep as quickly as some of these Max Verstappen victories with how dominant they really were. It was mind-numbingly good, how good Miss Legis were. And you go back before that, and you've got, you know, the Schumacher era, of course, with Barakello supporting him in Ferrari.

I think, what, Mr. Reed, I'm going to go to you, 03, probably the most dominant year? No, 2. 0-2? O-3 wasn't that dominant at all. O-2 and 03 went down to the wire. That's why I meant, sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

If anyone knows me by now, dates aren't my thing. Just one year off. That's close enough for me. Yeah. O2. So, you know, Schumacher at Ferrari there was, you know, exceptional. And then, you know, you can go back, you can get every decade, you can have had its number. And the MP4-4 from McLaren that season was the season to beat in terms of car performances that Red Bull have now smashed.

They've beaten the victories in a row and victories in a season. So I don't know what one I can pick historically. But it's, it's, well, I'm going to. argue currently it is the most dominant car of all time in terms of pure results. In terms of actual on-track difference between its competitors, I do think the McLaren probably still beats it. I would argue maybe the 2014 Mercedes still had a bigger gap back to the midfield and the backrunners when we were going through normal race trim across the season. As much as for Stappan and somewhat Perez and the rest of Red Bull have been dominant, the actual end race finishing time between the

you know, the Red Bull whoever's winging and the second, third, fourth, fifth, whatever it might be, is only, you know, on average, between 10 and 20 seconds on a good day. Obviously, we've had a couple of 30s. But, you know, if you're not new to a fun, you'll remember that a lot of the time, there were moments where the most dominant driver in certain races will have lapped everyone up to, like, third sometimes. You know, you might wing by, you know, literally a minute and a half, and you just kind of think, this is ridiculous.

How are you this good? And that happened a lot in the kind of the 80s and the 90s especially. So it's hard to say that Red Bull have got the most dominant performance of all time. In terms of just results, yes, in terms of actual car performance, I don't quite know. What do you guys think? That's right. It's like I answered that. I properly was on the things. I also saw my biggest topic.

Just in case you do have anything different to add Harry. What do you reckon? I, it sounds totally right. I think it does depend on what your definition, I guess, or your view is of dominance. Because if you are just looking at, have they won every race? Yeah. It's factually true.

Factually true. And if we were doing our mid-season review in 1988, which, you know, sadly we just missed. Episode 56, I think that was. You guys right around. It was just me. It was just Sam talking into the void. Yeah, no one listened.

Podcast won't think about that. But if we were doing our mid-season review, you know, summer break content in 1988, we probably would say the same thing. Because at that point, McLaren had also won every single race. Quite good. But to your point that you made at the end there, Sam, I think it's, you've got to look at,

honestly, some of the races in, like, as you say, the 80s, but I think early 90s, especially with the Williams. There's some races, like, they're, like, so far ahead. They've lapped everyone. and then the second place is a minute and something behind or something that ridiculous like that. So I think, yes, from the outside or at least... Raw performances in terms of finishing first place.

Yeah, first initial look, yes, you know, it's probably, it looks like one of the most dominant, but I think if you actually just dig into it. I've said this before. F1, despite the fact the rebel of won every race so far, I think F1 as a sport is probably in one of the, in terms of the competition of the sport, it's probably in its healthiest guys ever.

I think despite the Red Bulls winning everything, the rest of the pack are so close. And I guess have been for a few years now, even in 2020 when Mercedes were dominating, that I think, yeah, it's quite easy to say, oh my God, it's boring, it's dominant. But again, if you go back to, yeah, like I say, those late 80s, early 90s,

those guys Mansell, Dr. Nij, Alan Prost, etc. Just go back and Google some results from then and you'll realise that'll do it. Yeah. They were just miles ahead. So yes, it's dominant,

but I don't, in my view, I don't think it's as dominant as we have had before. And I appreciate we have, not only on this episode, but in a lot of episodes this year, been showering Red Bull with,

and in all honesty, I think a lot of it is very well deserved based on how good they've been. I almost think that it's more impressive based on the arguments that you've just mentioned, Harry, because I don't disagree with them at all. But I almost think that because Formula One is at least now not set up in the same way where it's easy to dominate than it was, say, certainly 30 years ago, but even 10 years ago, it makes it even more impressive that they're not losing any Grand Prix at all. You see qualifying as an example, you've got those Williams cars from the 90s, the McLaren cars from the 80s. They would be seconds ahead of anyone else, whereas now we've only got a second or two that separate the entire field at some circuits.

So I don't think Formula One just based on how with the cost cap as an example of that, but also just what can be differentiated, the real restraints that are put on some of the innovations in Formula One nowadays. It's more difficult to dominate, which when you look at Red Bull's results, I think, makes it even more impressive. I, to be honest, landed on a very similar conclusion to the both of you, which is, it depends what your definition of dominant is. Certainly, if we're looking at results,

they cannot be questioned so far this year. in terms of win rate. And I think, to be honest, with the number of races we've got in this season, it'll be in 22, even if they were to drop, let's say two races this year, right? Let's say they win 20 out of 22. That's comparable to the McLaren MP44, which won 15 out of 16. Now, obviously, they've dropped two races. They would have dropped two races in that scenario rather than one, but they've got six more

races to contend with. So I think it's quite comparable. And that's if they dropped two. two races this season, which is an overly likely based on what we've seen so far. I think it's been fairly impressive. I think it's definitely in the debate. I would agree with you that I think the, probably the Williams from the early 90s, I'm thinking probably 92 is certainly a contender there.

But also 1988 with McLaren is one of the go-to answers for this and rightly so. I was actually having a look at some of the results. As you mentioned that people should do, Harry, I was looking at the McLaren results from 1988. Obviously, they lost the Italian Grand Prix, but that's the only one they lost all year. If you exclude that, this is how many drivers ended up on the lead lap

at every Grand Prix that season, along with a McLaren. Brazil, it was four. San Marino, none, Monaco, two, Mexico one, Canada one, Detroit, none. France one, Germany, four, Britain, three, Hungary, two, Belgium, three. Spain, seven, apparently they were awful there. Japan, four, and Australia, too.

That's how many cars were on the lead lap with the McLaren. That's mad. I couldn't add to that quick, but that's around 20-ish for slightly about 20. For the entire season. They've probably averaged about two or three, I would say. cars on the lead lap outside of themselves. You imagine if Lewis Hamilton was driving around in fourth place, most races a lap down. Then you go, this is ridiculous.

Yeah. I appreciate like Max Verstappen has picked up a good number of pole positions this year as an example. But generally speaking, there have been a few that have been quite comfortable, but some have been very, very close. If you look at just one example from that season of 88, I can't remember if it was Senor or Prost who was on pole for the San Marino Grand Prix. They were 3.5 seconds faster

than the next quickest team. That's just alien to what we've got in Formula One nowadays. That's a lot, isn't it? That's quite a lot. You could do a lot of things in 3.5 seconds. You certainly could. Sweetly. Searleingly.

I don't know why that happened. Me every episode. And this is, I don't want to go off of a rant. And I appreciate I'm talking about... I actually warn you to go out. Yeah, I'm not going to... Yeah, I'm going to sit back. It's not a rant. Yeah.

But I appreciate I'm talking about F1 on Twitter here. F. Ongst. Your favourite topic? Obviously, everyone's favourite topic. But I've seen a few times people saying that, you know, the new regs, Ross Braun's at regs, as they're called. R. R.B. Regs. Well, they pretty much are Raleb Rugs.

Yeah. That was the joke, everyone. Low. Oh, don't. you know, that they've ruined the sport, you know, because of this Red Bulls, dominance, inverted gummers, and they're not working. But it just, that's just not the case. How many times do we have to say you remove Max for Stapping and this championship is

incredibly close? But just like, as you just pointed out there, that we're not, we don't have a case where only, you know, maximum seven cars end up on the lead lap and that's an outlier for the season. and the lead team are like three and a half seconds out of the road. It's just, that's nonsense. It's a nonsense argument. When was the last time the 107% rule was mentioned?

Exactly. Like just mentioned. It was kind of a common thing about a decade ago. Yeah, but that's when we had like HRT and they, you know, HRT. Yeah. Hormone replacement therapy. Shouldn't not be driving a race car. Marisha and Katerham often weren't that far away from that discussion as well.

Super Goury had some moments. It was, you know. Yeah. So even when it wasn't enforced, it was still a topic of conversation because it was always like it could happen. Nowadays, like you don't generally have teams outside of probably 103%, let alone 107. Yeah. This is two percentage heavy again. Yeah, I know that. Why is that happened? Third episode in a row now. Percentages. Are we all statisticians? Not statisticians, but statisticians. It sounds better, don't it? Staticetetitians.

Statetitians? Oh, no wonder, if people don't come back. Stat edition, man. It doesn't quite have the same room to it. Good. Random one. Yeah.

Do you think that Perez and the job he's doing at Red Bull this season is comparable to the job that Barakello did at Ferrari? No, I think Barrichello did a much better job. Ooh. Interesting one. Ah. I was looking back at some of those early Ferrari seasons,

and they looked remarkably similar to what this season look like. Yeah, I, Barrichello, don't get me wrong, Barrichello on his day, a very difficult man to beat. And you could say the same for Perez. I'd say they're fairly similar. We're ranking number two drivers here, and I think it's number two drivers. No, I think you've got a fair,

I think there's a fair case to say that Barakle did a better job. I think he was better generally. But I think I'd just say at the moment they're similar. It depends. Because you're looking at Barrakello was a 2000 to 2005 stint. Yeah. And Perez is only done. I wouldn't say there's a golf in class, but I do think Barrichello's got this one.

I also think, oh, this is a tricky debate. He was up against Michael Schumacher. Oh, let's not open his-Callelworms. We're going away someone. The thing is, it depends on the context of everything, I'm sorry, Perez has not been asked to give up any wins so far. And we've had Austria. Yeah.

Yeah. Don't go there. My point being, like, well, there's probably only one occasion this year. Saudi. Where that scenario could have even begun to play out. Could you, oh, sweet Lord, could you imagine the scenes if that was a thing now? Move out the way, please. Get out the way, Sergio.

Max is faster than you. He's five seconds away. Don't care Don't care Don't care Oh man You'd be out of a job If you did it 20 years ago

If you kept persisting saying No you'd be you'd be gone You got a team player get out Oh that's why I kind of did it be did it on that Literally just before the line Oh then Michael pulling him up On the top step

And then they got fined for that bit Not yeah Not the team orders Not the trying to change the results Yeah That's the most FIA penalty ever We care about the step order Yeah

Not the way the race was run Breaching podium protocol. Anyway, we've gone way off topic. We've gone way, way off topic. What was your opinion? Sorry, we didn't even get it. Barrichello or Paris? Barakello just, but it's very close, I think. I think he's got a head in front.

Rubens Barry Cello. I love Rubens. How do you not like Rubens? Who doesn't like Roobley? Lovely. Lovely man. Last point before we move on, do you think that if we're looking at the MP44 where they had Senna and Pross too, I think most would agree to world-class drivers?

It is the best line up of. all time. Do you think that gives, even though we're talking about a car and a season here, does that give that sort of a season an edge? Because we generally don't get that. I mean, yeah, I made the point earlier, right? You look at if you took away Max Verstappen and I had to, imagine if you put Barakello and Perez in this Red Bull, Barakello at its peak, Sergei Perez-Prette's peak, would they be achieving what Max for Stapha would be achieving now? I don't think so. I don't think they'd ever be running away with it. So I think actually this season could boil down to having a few different wingers could be a bit of an all-timer right now because I think it is

the driver that can make the difference. And that's how Lewis Hamilton always kind of took that step up and always made the extra difference when it counts. And Schumacher did the same. And you had both drivers capable of doing that. And they were very different in the way they approached a race. And they, you know, Sengel was that raw speed, raw regression, very almost for Stappen-esque, whereas Prost was more calculated, he was more consistent. He got the job done over a period of time. And it together, in theory, if they could get along and didn't have that bitter feud

about who wings what, they would go down as the ultimate driver pairing to have ever existing in Formula One and that is what has compounded the MP4-4 as being the most dominant car of all time because it isn't what?

I was to say, my point was going to be you could have given a monkey to drive that MP. I don't think so. No, but an average driver, okay, not an actual monkey, but an average driver

could have driven that, I'd probably still want on it. But my point is, because they were in it, that does compound that problem. My point is, they probably would have woning it. This is what I mean. Like, Sergio Perez will probably win the driver's championship for Max Stape and didn't exist.

But it's how debate you could have. It's not written in the stars like it is with the Stappan. You go, yep, it will win it, no problems. Cheers Tiny Temper. Absolute tune, that is. And then we pass out. Moving on from Tiny. Quick shout to the 2016, Merck.

mentioned the 2014 earlier, Sam, but I think 2016 deserves a shout as well because let's face it, if you're picking any of those early

Mercedes years, they were all pretty good. But 2016, as far as I'm aware, they only didn't win two races that year. In one of them, they decided to crash

into each other in Spain. Yes. And the other one was, no, no, no. No, no. So I think that was, they were very close that year to winning

what 20, at a 20 or 21 at 21 or however many we had. But yeah, that's a fair shot. Is he the most underrated one-time world champion of all time? God, we are covering all the topics today. I think it's a good question. If James Hunt didn't exist. Oh, you got beg, such a woman, guys.

I don't want to go to a break now. We can't leave people with that. I'm going to smoke a packet after this break. I just need to pop downstairs and check on me Hesskiff. But once I've done that, shot of whiskey. We'll be back talking about something that was never around in my day. DRS.

Oh, good. Dr. S. Ford was built on the belief that the world doesn't get to decide what you're capable of. You do. So ask yourself, can you or can't you? Can you load up a Ford F-150 and build your dream with sweat and steel? Can you chase thrills and conquer curves in a Mustang? Can you take a Bronco to where the map ends and adventure?

begins. Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right. Ready, set, Ford. Guys, there are rumors are swirling. Rumor has it a swirling. Like Adele. Rumors are swirling. But Formula One might be considering removing DRS from qualifying. Now at the moment, you can use DRS in any of the zones where you would be able to use DRS in the race, when you're within one second of the car in front used to be a bit different. You could just use DRS everywhere. But now that's how DRS works in qualifying.

Potentially, though, they want to scrap it entirely just for Saturdays or Fridays on spring weekends. Sam, is that a good idea? I'm going to let the intrusive thoughts win. I really just want to say this when you say it earlier. I just want it to go DRS. Sythazone. No, I'm sorry.

Cheers EA Sports, thank you. For anyone that wasn't Clinton. that was an EA sports reference. It's in the game. It's amazing, isn't it? The turnaround that we've had from having DRS available in literally every millimeter

of a racetrack, right, where you could, that flat never had to close, baby. Jesus Christ. And now we're on the debate of never having it open. You know, you keep it firmly shut, please.

You know, the barn door must close. And I am all for it. You don't need it. What does it provide other than a higher, top speeding, a straight line. I just think that you're artificially improving lap signs by having DRS available at all points. And also, you know, Christian Horner came out and said it publicly, he's amazed that

other teams have not seen the DRS advantage. And it's not just the DRS that's giving them such a great advantage of straight line. It's the mechanics that sit under the wing. And that, you know, if we were to close DRS zones for all of qualifying, that gap would come down massively. We might see more problems for the likes of Perez starting even further back than where he has. Max Rastaffin might not be on poll as regularly. You know, it could really spice things up and anything that makes a very spicier,

I'm all for. Why so spicy? Why is so spicy? Unbelievably, we start this topic with Sam agreeing with something the FIA might be looking to do. This is where it's a complete rumor and it's not true and they actually want to increase the IRS

but if we're going along with the rumor. Harry, do you agree with not only Sam, do you also agree with this rumor? Shockingly, I, yes. I agree. Do you know what? This, when this topic came up, I was just, it's something that I had never really thought about. But I was like, oh, yeah, why do we have DRS in qualifying? Like, what's it actually for?

And obviously, I know when we first got a DRS, we had it everywhere. I understand that. Add to a bit of jeopardy because you might want to get through a corner and open your DRS early. Or back in the day they were trying to go through like 130R with the DRS open. Actually mental.

Yeah. Like that sort of thing is crazy, crazy times. But that's, you know, that's adding something that's adding an element to the excitement somewhat.

But when they only did that for like two years in 2013 or something that we've had this. It's like 10 years of this format. DRS is like having a, a new favourite song in it. You play it every single day. You're like, oh, love, banga, banga, bang it. And you get kind of...

Yeah, you kind of get a bit fed up with it. So you're like, I'll have it on rotation, yeah, once a week or so. And I think we've got to the point where you go, put that in the archives. I'll listen to that once a year. But I just... Again, I've never thought about it, which is, you know, it's on me. But why did we do this? Why did the FIA do this in the first place?

And why have we just gone along with it for so long? Just like, well, that's just how it is. Like, what's it for? That's the way it is. Yeah, literally. So yeah, get rid of it. You know, we've spent on the arrest before. I think it should be got gone.

Got gone. In general. And we have like a push-to-pass system. But, yeah, if that is going to happen, yeah, I'm all for it because it quite literally adds nothing. What a wild time it was when we had urs and dirs. Curse and durs. I'd bring back curs.

I'd bring back curs if we can. I know we have some sort of system. system, yeah. But the curse was fun. I liked watching a little battery go down. Exactly. That was fun. Again, another little element, but, you know, anyway.

Yeah. Get rid of it, lads. They all agree. Yeah. I was exactly the same as you, Harry. I was looking at this thinking, yeah, that's a really good idea. Wait, why haven't I said this before? What a great idea that is?

Yeah, DRS is, and we've mentioned it plenty of times before, about its pros and its cons, about whether it's needed an F1 nowadays, whether it needs to be tweaked, and we might mention that in a moment, but it's an overtaking aid. That's what it's there for. You don't overtake when you get into qualifying,

or at least you shouldn't be. If you're not following the gentleman's agreement into the final point, you might need to do a bit of overtaking. Can we stop with the phrase gentleman's agreement? Yeah. Just generally. James Hunt on.

the mic. We've got a gentleman's agreement here in Formula One. Come on, man. He saw who drafted it. It was, yeah. Anyway, that is absolutely not the point I was going to make here. In that you don't overtaking qualifying. So why would you need an overtaking aid?

Yes, you can go a little bit faster as a result of opening the IRS. And what? It's not used for that. So, yeah, I'm absolutely with you. I'll tell you what they should do. Think about its usage on Sunday as well. Just they've clearly heard me. or one of us and gone, yeah, all right, maybe DRS is a bit overrated these days.

We should look to strip it back. Let's take it out of qualifying. No, no, no, no. Let's have a look at it on Sundays as well. Please. Not just Saturday. Sunday as well. I don't think we're ready for it to be going on Sundays.

As much as I do agree that in long term, I do want it goal. I don't think we're there. Would you leave it as is then? I would keep it for now on a Sunday. Yeah. As in like you wouldn't tweak it at all or just. I would want, I saw a very interesting. And I think we may have discussed this as well a little while ago,

that you should get DRS until you're within a second of the car in front, and then you have to battle it out without any aid. So you get to catch up faster, but the overtakes are made much harder. So it stops us having these big gaps between other cars, which I actually... Not mild of that. And first place we'll never get it, obviously. That would be obviously one of the rules, because, you know, you can't just run off with DRS forever

because there's no car ever in front of you. So obviously, it's a pretty rough idea that I kind of saw quickly scribbled out somewhere. But I liked it. It was interesting. I'm not mad of that. Yeah, I think if you're getting it, I obviously, I would get rid of it, but you need to, you can't just have nothing. Because we're not in that place.

But, yeah, again, like a push-to-pass, Kurs system even. Just something like that. I like IndyCar's method with a proper amount of time that you can use behind it across a whole race as well. Yeah. They're, the guy who runs race fans. I don't know if you follow him on Twitter. Keith.

Keith. My handyman. Not that, Keith. He is... Oh boy. He does not like... He does not like DRS as you can get. He is angry.

He does not like DRS. But he made a very good point of the Indycar race that was on Saturday. Graham Rehael was chasing down Scott Dixon. And he said, well, and he didn't get past him,

but it was quite a good battle, quite exciting to watch. He said, well, if we had DRS in Indy car, then Ray Hall would have just blasted past him and then that's it came over. Blasted past. So, yeah, it's that sort of thing where we have that in F1

where, yeah. That's what I quite like the idea of you get it until you get close. Interesting. I also saw another point made by fellow F1 creator Tomo which I'm asking me that I don't agree with and he said if we remove DRS from qualifying

you're going to see too many cars trying to nab the toe all the time around tracks like Monza. Well I thought you're going to do it regardless whether you've got DRS or not right? Slipstream is Slipstream, baby. Does anyone remember 2019? That happened.

That was an actual like a car park on the fire corner. I'm being in Aston saying it's been quieter than that. Farabolica. Asda parabolica, yeah, that's a great form. Astabolica. Related to your idea, Sam, I would have DRS available, at least for now, for anyone who is between half a second and 1.5 seconds behind. Oh, it's getting technical. So rather than zero to one side, I'd have it half a second to 1.5 seconds. So as soon as you get half a second, it shuts. That's when it shuts. And then I'm hoping at that point you'd actually see more moves taking place in a breaking zone, like an actual decision, risk assessment from a driver, do they go ahead and try and make this move

or do they hold back and try again when they're a little bit closer? Because at the moment, you just have a lot of instances where cars are just flying past and don't even really need to make the move as they're going into the breaking zone. It's like the M25, you're just going to the fast lane and you just go, all right, cool. I'm doing 75, you're doing 70. See you later. in 70. Maybe we should have, yeah, I never speak. Maybe we should have a rear wing. And on top of that rear wing, we've got another smaller

rear wing and that opens it instead. And they're sprinklers. Don't get me style on sprinklers. I think at least with that, you could then sort of just tweak it as you go, because obviously the objective, my objective is never have the IRS, but you're right. I don't think we're quite ready for it yet. Yeah. But certainly you could at least tweak it at that point to be, okay, we're fine with 0.5 to 1.5 seconds for the next season. Let's only have it 0.5 to 1 seconds. And you could just sort of adjust the time downwards and sort of reduce the goalpost until you realize you don't need it anymore. I mean, that's ideal world. I don't

know if that will ever actually come true. Yeah, for me, I think the idea that I came up with would stop us having those processional races where every car has got like a four second gap to the next car and and a four-second gap to the next car. And it would hopefully end up coming together as a bit of a... You've got loads of cars fighting over that one second gap and you might get some lunges. And I do like your idea, Ben, that, you know, you have to make a risky move going into a braking zone

because you've lost the extra horsepower, essentially, due to the DRS closing. But I just think that I would rather cars be much closer together on track because we've had some battles where, you kind of in the midfield between maybe 11th and 15th, where you've maybe had five or six cars or within half a second of each other. You just think, don't need the...

they're that close together that, you know, they're going wheel to wheel, they're breaking each other, they're trying to undercut each other. That is super exciting. That's what F1 needs to be at the front of the track. So I think as long as we can keep cars closer, which, you know, the aerodynamic system is currently helping, then I think we are on the right formula for an exciting Grand Prix. This is the formula. This is the formula. This is, only slightly related to that. What will I am? Not will I am, the actual DRS conversation

I saw earlier they were going through the overtake of the month awards that they do Six so far I think The one in June was won by Fernando Alonzo's move on Lewis Hamilton In Canada That wasn't that good was it

Like DRS pass A DRS pass Yeah I mean it's a bit tight But that was about here wasn't it Yeah I mean Surely there was a better overtake than that in the month of June happened in in July as well wasn't it uh down that the only sorry the Hungary was the one that um it's got nothing to do with the IRS I'm just getting angry with that overtakes no I think there was

there because I the piastri won that one but I saw a few people complaining that Albon did the hacking and move yeah but with the IRS I know that was compared to the hackling move but that's that's not no offense Albon great little great little move to get past both of them yeah but nothing on the How can I move, Jesus Christ. There's also a offensive to me, there's a certain driver in that trio that deserves more applaudits than what was going on in the modern day as well. What big sons.

Exactly. Big songs. Exactly. And before we go to break, just the sort of monthly or so mention of this because no one else mentions it ever. The Yuki Sonoda Lap one overtake at Miami was one of the best overtakes of the season.

And no one even knows it happened. So I just want to get that out of there. Yeah, what was that? Have a look at it, mate. It's Belter. Show up. We'll have a break and I'll do that. Yeah.

Please show me. You stand next to me, I'll be. Not going to show you. Like this. I'll load it. You've got Google. Okay. Before we talk about Mercedes and the dreaded porpoising word,

a note to say this is your last opportunity if you want to get a priority. What were words? Executed for tickets. This has gone well. Wow. Access. Yes. That's a good word.

Access tickets. The link. We do event, we do show in Cota in a few months' time. It's the worst thing he's ever seen. Cheers, Kevin. Yeah. There are still tickets available. So we're just over half sold thanks to all of you on Patreon.

So if you want the last opportunity before they go on general sale, which will happen on Sunday. So you've got a few days, if you're listening to this on the Wednesday. Make sure you're part of Patreon. You'll be able to book your tickets now. Make sure you're there. and if you want to gamble and wait until Sunday you can do. But, yeah, last opportunity for those on Patreon to get it before everyone else comes in. Yeah, all right.

Why are you looking at me? I've got something. I saw you say something. I was honestly staring out the window, not a thought in my mind. Good stuff. Yeah. Good. Bouncing.

Porpoising. Yeah. Pretty okay? Shall I run this for a minute? Yeah, go on then. Bouncing. Yeah. Lewis Hamilton said after the Belgian Grand Prix,

which was, of course, a couple of weeks ago, said, we had big bouncing this weekend. We had big bouncing this weekend. Big Belgian bouncing. So we are back to bouncing like we had last year. Now, we thought that the whole conversation of porpoising might be dead, but apparently not. Sam, is this on Mercedes to fix,

or should there be some sort of intervention here by the FIA? That doesn't need to be an intervention. Fix your car. At this point. I'm sorry. She used the beep. Oh, yeah. Damn it. Every opportunity. Gone. All of them.

Gone. You fix your car. You've changed your entire principle, your entire theory around the car building that you wanted to do. And you took the massive risk as a team to remove the zero pod philosophy. Mick Ways through a season after you mucked up your winter testing

all that time that you rang. And then you're stuck. still can't remove your most integral problem of not being quick enough from the actual race car. You know, like, it shows that the zero pods was never the problem. Scapegoat. Scope go. Justice for the zero pod, I say. Justice for zero pods.

Free LeCler, justice for zero pods. There's a person in the Mercedes factory who came up with the idea of zero pods and he's like, I told you. And they fired him. He's not air in law, but yeah. He's outside with his zero pods going, I bloody told you. hasn't because zero-a-hoster sale. Just air, bags of air.

No, this is really bad. This is genuinely, and it feels like Mercedes do not understand what's happening with their car still. And I think when you've got a lack of understanding of your, essentially your science project, if it's a Formula One car of how to make it better, you ain't going to make it better if you don't get how it works.

And that worries me. That means that they have a clear direction. That means that they, you know, Lewis Hamilton wants a race-wanging car. I'm not sure how it's in a consistent. get that when his engineers and all the very, very clever individuals back at the garage, can't put together where problems are coming from. Despite an entire philosophy change, you're still got the same problem. You know, you'd think realistically, that was what was causing them issues. It was slowing them down. The drivers didn't have security in what the car

was doing. You get rid of that when you kind of come back into, what was it, Australia, with this whole new look car. And you think, boom, we're back. We've released a statement. We've got a new car. We're going to start winning again. Five races later. We're back. up and down, down the start, finish trade. So I think this is pretty worrying. I think this is pretty damning that Maseguis don't really know what they're doing as well as they let on. What do you think, all right? Go, like, get home with it, guys.

Chop, chop. I, is he now, look, not criticising. Here we go. Not criticizing him. Now he's really Gavin Rye. No, no, no. I'm just saying, is he over-dramatizing this? slightly because

correct me if I'm wrong I don't remember seeing a lot of bouncing at all are you accusing Lewis Hamilton of making more of something make an absolute meal out of it come on man why you're lying for

no I'm just saying I didn't I didn't and I'm not the one driving the car so obviously given the benefit of the doubt on that one but compared to what we were seeing the likes of like back you're like do you remember when he was like an old man he couldn't get out of the car

could have got out of the car. That was bad bouncing. So, yeah, I don't, well, I don't remember seeing that. Back who bouncing? It's, it is, it's a worry. Their pace was still relatively good at Spa. So the bouncing couldn't have been awful. But it is a worry that this is still an issue that crops up.

They're the only team. The only team that always keep mentioning it. I wonder, it must be massively damaging me. straight-lying speed. Oh, undoubtedly. Their underfloor traction with the ground, which of course sucks you to the floor.

And it's also like stability, especially at spa, which is so high speed, stability through high speed. Imagine going through Orujian, your car's bouncing up and down. Yeah, like you're on a pogo stick. That's not two hundred and twenty miles an hour.

That is genuinely terrifying. So yeah, it's, it's an intriguing one that they have, you know, out of all the teams, they've, they're still the ones who, allegedly, are struggling with this.

So it is a bit of a worry. But like said, it doesn't feel like it's as big an issue as it has been in the past. And I guess it's only Sparther that Hamilton made this comment of big bouncing in Belgium. I see how this birds go past. I told you. It's not just me the season. That's crazy. Is that a key relief?

I'm not a mag. But yeah, when the theory is a ground-effect car and your car cannot stay stable to the ground, be crucial. Don't work then, doesn't it? Yeah. So yeah, it's got to be a concern for them that this does... Sorry? Is that the teacher we do?

Oscar, now is not the time. He loves it. Oh, damn it. Yeah, it must be concerned that they can't fully get on top of this yet. And it's always been the way with Mercedes in this new era that sometimes they just don't quite seem to understand their car. Again, I still feel like this is maybe slightly exaggerated, but it's a concern, for sure.

but also sort out yourself. You've had long enough now. Get on with it. Yeah, sorry, Merk. You're on your own with this one, I'm afraid. Yeah, I think last year, certainly where nearly everyone was suffering from this to some degree, I think even the teams that were at the better end of the grid on suffering with this were still having a little bit of difficulty.

So the FIA stepping in and ensuring that requirements had to be met in terms of safety. it made sense, than it, whereas this year it doesn't seem as if anyone else is chatting about it. So, yeah,

I think at this point it's just Mercedes need to try and fix their car in the words of Christian Horner. So is it exaggerated or not? Yeah, it probably is a bit, isn't it?

But even so, even if it is exaggerated, if it's at least somewhat of a problem where other teams aren't facing this issue whatsoever, that really isn't good heading into the second half of the season. Certainly pace-wise, yet Mercedes seemed to be okay at Spa. They were certainly, they didn't seem

to be any worse at Spa than they were at other tracks for the majority of the first half of the season. I know they were marginally slower than Ferrari, but it was pretty competitive, wasn't it, between those two teams. And they were slower than Red Bull, but Newsflash pretty much everyone is. So, yeah, I think overall they were pace-wise absolutely fine for where they are at the moment at Spa. But certainly it's something they need to keep an eye on because there are some circuits coming up. I think in Singapore, probably. You don't want to be bouncing there. That is bouncing. The Singapore shake. I could keep going on day with these. We had the sling. So might as well introduce the shake. Yeah. The shlake. I also think that

Zangvoort actually might be a really tricky one if you've got a bouncy car. That is so, you know, you need the car to be glued to get the most out of that track that they can end up falling behind. If it really is a problem, we're not hearing the classic Lewis Hamilton whinge, which, you know, I'm... I didn't say a winch, by the way. No disrespect to that man. He is a... He is a goat, you know, of driving a race car. Good Lord,

that man could do it, but he loves to be vocal about a problem. It is true. Don't disagree. Again, that's no disrespect to big LH. He wants the winner again. He wants the best. And so he will tell you that he wants the best. And as a racing driver, I think that is what you need to do.

But boy, he loved to do it. Do you think maybe it's just him? He's just sat in the car bouncing up and down. He's got like a shaky leg. Have you seen the clips of him? I've seen it a couple of times over the past, well, maybe a couple of years maybe, where he's just waiting in the car.

He like bangs his head against the side of the cockpit. I've not seen that. Have you not? No. I'll find that. I'll find that one next. And that's the list. That's bizarre.

Honestly, I've got no idea. You can't chat. About what? We can't move on now. Yeah. I don't know. I'll just bring it back up randomly.

Good. Okay. Now we've got permission from Harry to move on. You're welcome. He actually put together the schedule today. So if you don't like the schedule, don't give him the credit. He moves some topics into a box that are already written out for him.

Well, no. If people don't like it, I want it directed it. No one's ever commented on the schedule being in a bad order How do you say schedule? I don't know, very. You could say schedule. Schedule. I don't say it right.

Schedule. I say it schedule. I'm a schedule, man. I know it's not right, but... I'm also a sketchy. I'm not a shaggy. Moving on. God, okay.

Valtry Bottas, Sam's favorite driver. Oh, the boat. He's mentioned that sticking around for the Audi era makes sense. I'm sure it does, mate. Yep. In your pockets, maybe. Sam, do you think it's even his choice?

I mean, he's flattering himself a little bit. I have got so much love for that man. We've got to see him nearly nude again, of course, with his Instagram story recently. God, Lord. A blessing for the eyes. Get back in the car, mate. Maybe don't.

He looks very good nude. He doesn't look too good in the car at the moment. The point being here, he doesn't look very good in the car at the moment. He's managing to be Joe Guangu new currently this season, but not really comfortably in the... One whole point.

That when that one whole point was scored, it wasn't really for a very normal outperformed moment that he put together, right? It wasn't like the drive of the season for him. He didn't write a Bahrain, he just thought that was it. He's doing Kimmy Riking's work now at this point. So I'm not for the first race.

God's work. The ice man lives on. He never melts. I'm quite surprised that he sits with such confidence to assume that when Aldi start to look at, and that is Audi the car brand, not Aldi, the shop, when they start to look at drivers,

does he really think he's top of the shopping list for them? Does he really think that they go, first thing on the list we've got to go out and get is Vadtheribotas. You know, that's... Valdi Boutas. Get those in Leldi? You probably can. Two for a penny, mate.

My point is, there's so many talented drivers, both, you know, experienced and rookie that Audi probably have the pick of and why would you currently pick Bottas? He brings his coffee and gin and a mullet and a great bum. I think all of those things combined

of actually Swayby and that he will stick around. That's enough reasons there. How would he do that? Hey. Go ahead, mate. Please hold callers. Definitely didn't miss the moment. How'd he do that?

way the sound board strikes again even better the second time round yeah I agree I don't think it will be his decision and to your point and this is going to sound quite cruel on Valtrey Bottas because I still think he is

solid enough in the car but if you were to eliminate any driver that's better than Bottas take those out the equation and also take out any young drivers who had the potential to improve who's less I have a list of three, which...

Logan Sargent. Well, he... I eliminated him because he's still young and could improve. Now, I don't actually think he will improve to the point where he will be on Bartas' level. Mark Stroll. I had Stroll and the two hash drivers on my list. Oh.

What a, what a selection that is. An ice burn. It's not a long list, put it that way. And I just don't think there's any... reason for Audi who have massive aspirations in this sport. They wouldn't be coming to the sport if they didn't have massive aspirations.

They aren't relying on Valtrey Bottas. It's not happening. I mean, maybe he is at, he does end up being there. But if he is there, he would be there alongside either a young driver they think is world champion material or a driver like Carlos Seins,

maybe, who we discussed last week, who is at this point in his career, better than Bottas. He's not the number one driver of the Audi team. I cannot wait for a Sebastu Vettel, Nico Rosberg, all German lineup. I wouldn't want to say that.

Rosberg would demolish Vettles. Oh, brutal. Is that a fishing run I can see on the camera? There we go. Lovely bit of fishing. Harry E. Size bit of bait hang off the end of it. I am joking, folks, I promise. Yeah, I don't think it would be his choice.

Do you think it will be his choice, Harry? I'll reiterate what I said earlier. What's that, mate? I'm sure you would. I'm sure you would like to stick around with Baltry, mate. We'll love it. Yeah, if he does stick around it, as he said, Bennett, he... It feels really savage to say, but it'll be lucky to be there.

I really think... Because... They've got aspirations to be here. And it's also not happening... It's not even like it's happening next year. We've got a couple of years before this even... becomes a thing properly. You've got to go Salba first.

Well, exactly. And as you say, Valtry did 2022 up until Miami. This is he's done Bahrain. And then he'll just do the testing. And then not turn up. He's not being there. So he's not exactly, if he was having, he's had two stellar years so far,

or, you know, one and a half years so far at Alfa Romeo. You go, he's on it. Yeah. Yeah. I would be a hand in must. TV out to Andrea Seidel and being like, what about me? Have a look at that. I'm already in the team.

I know everyone. I'm smashing it. Yeah, but he's not even doing that at the moment. So I'm sure you would like to stay Valtrey. And we all, as you say, we all like your persona. You've become way more fun since you left Mercedes. So true. Which is, you know, cool.

But your driving's got way less good. I'm a completely separate, no, I am available for employment in 2026. Oh, there is that. Well, so there you go. Nika Rosberg versus Sam Sage. Oh, you would love to see it? Nah, Sam had demolished Nika Rosberg. Not as big a bait there.

Imagine if it was Sam versus Vettel, then. That might be close. This doesn't make sense. Does that make sense? So confused. Oh, I did have a last point. I can't even think what it is now. Oh, yeah, I actually think Audi's just going to turn out to be like the Mercedes of old

in the Valtry Bottas will still be there. one-year contract. But here we joined by someone who'll keep winning titles for Audi and it'll just be on one-year contracts every year and it'll just do a full loop. It'll be Bottas and Norris will win every single year

and he'll just get one year renewals every time while Bottas finish his fourth. I didn't consider Norris actually especially with the siddle link. It will not happen. I just don't see why... This is where it happens. I'm so bad at all things.

I guess that just hit you there. I'm so sorry. I didn't make you bad. I guess don't see why you would take the risk of leaving already temperament. McClaren for an unknown entity that is Aldi. I mean, Audi are a powerhouse.

We'll discuss this, but I don't see someone like Norris taking a punt. Would be banter, though. Oh, love it. Good reason to do it. Yeah. I mean, banter is a good enough reason for anything. Content and banter. See, he loves the contenters, Landis.

He loves the banter. Okay, we're going to take our final break. We'll be playing F1, back and forth right after this. Yeah. Quick shout out. Before we go into back and forth, we have got a special Q&A episode coming up this weekend. So Sunday's episode will be at least half Q&A,

if not a little bit more than that. We've already got loads of questions that have come in via Spotify. So if you're on Spotify, you can use the Q&A function there. Just use that and we'll be monitoring those. We already are for those that have already submitted. There's social channels. There's a post on Instagram. You can get involved there on Twitter as well.

at late breaking F1 absolutely everywhere on socials. Correct. Basically just get in touch with us wherever you think you can reach us and we'll put it into consideration. We'll get for as many questions as we can on Sunday. I want more serious questions as well

that we can debate about properly. I know it's funny to ask us, you know, would I hit Harry with a pizza or a hot dog? And that is a great debate to have. I think we can make an hour out of that. I mean, we can film it and do it for real. But I would also like some proper good gnarly F1 questions. Let's get the bait out again.

No. That's enough of that. That's enough of that episode. Let's go on to F1 back and forth. F1. Back and forth, it's F1. Back and forth, it goes backwards. Then goes forth.

It's F1. Back and forth. F1. It slaps. Every time. If you want to come see us live, we'll play it. it. We're going to play it. Damn right we are.

Have you going to... Sorry, Ben. No, cut that man off. Do you know what? It wasn't even worth me interrupting you. Oh, now I need to hear it. I was just going to ask, are you going to sing it live? I could do. I forget the words. I told you that wasn't worth it. Go, Ben. We're doing a full sing-along. Oh, nice. Everyone's singing along. Yeah. Regardless. F1 back and forth. Harry versus Sam. There is a category. There are 20 correct answers in this category. Harry and Sam will go back and forth on them until one of them cannot think of an answer or gives an incorrect answer.

Now, if you remember a few back and forths ago, I think, we did a question of the last, probably 20, drivers to win the first race of the season. I can't remember anything. I don't remember that. Vaguely. Carry on. I want you to name the last 20 drivers. Then this is going back to 1989.

God. Last 20 drivers to win the last race of the season. season. I thought he was going to say second race. Yeah, that'd be hilarious. Next week, third race. Can we do... Loads to play with there.

The 20 drivers that Sam would beat. We've had two of them this podcast. Go on, then. Who else you got? Well, we're saving it. All right. Who's going first? Well, Harry, you can go first.

Okay. Max Verstappen. Max Verstappen has won the last race of the season in each of the last three years, 2022, 2021 and 2020. We are not discussing 2021 any further than this. Sam, the statement of fact. Lewis Hamilton.

Lewis Hamilton has won the last race of the season in 2019, 2018, 2016 and 2014. 2021 is not on that list and we will not be speaking about that. Good. Good stuff. Oh, good. What did you... You've got 18 to go.

Sorry. Just say a good driver. I thought, it doesn't matter. I will go for Michael Schumacher. Michael Schumacher won the last race of the season in 2000, 2001 and 2002. So... Nico Rosberg. Nico Rosberg just once, but he won the last race of the season in 2015.

Look at me. Go. I'm proud of that. Not quite as good as Nick of Rosberg, but Sebastian Betel. It's close. It's a joke. I'm just playing on with the joke. When do I win the last race of the season? Well, 2020.

26. Damn. 2013, 2010 and 2009 that Sebastian Vessel won the last race of the year. Back to you, Sam. Fernando. Just once, but he did. 2005. I thought it was more than that.

Oh, dear. Oh, no. Jensen Chocolate Button. A classic. Jensen Chocolate Button won the last race of the season in 2012? 2012, well done.

Nikolkobo should have won that race. Oh my God. Sam. Mika Hakenen. Mika Hakenen won the last race of the season in 97, which was his first ever race win. And then he won in 98 in 99 to wrap up both championships.

So he had a good relationship with the last race of the season. did old Mika. I was waiting for more. What on, big minks. I'll go for, Dr. Nigel Mansell. Nigel Mansell won the last race of the season

in 1994. Back to you, Sam. Jackville Nerve. Last race. Oh no. Was it not the last race? What last race? You know the one I'm on about that.

No, Big Minks. Mika won that one. All right, we'll skip that one. Damon Hill. Now, Damon Hill did win the last race of the season and he did it twice in 95. We'll just keep banging through. I've lost, we'll keep running through.

We'll keep running through. Okay. We've already spoken about him. Batribottas. Abtribatast. Yes. 2017, he won the last race of the year. Have it covered off the 21st century yet?

No. Oh, fete. How many are we missing? Five. Five? as many as five. Five from this century, yeah. Kimi Reichen.

And then you've got four from, yeah. Kimi Reikinen won the last race in 2007. That was a pretty important one year. Yeah. Good job you won that. Felipe, baby. Felipe, that's a... Oh, yes.

Good thing he won in 08 and wrapped up. Oh, oh. So, sorry, Felipe. Oh, dear. 2006, he won the last race as well, though. So he did it twice. Prost. No, proff.

on this list, surprisingly. That is surprising. That is quite a shock, actually. Yeah. Go for the other one. Senna did. 91 and 93. He won the last race of the year.

Now I'm a little bit, get a little bit shaky. Have you actually got any more games on your... I'm still trying to... I'm shook of that we've still got so many left in... Diggy Irvine do it. Oh, I am the king of picking good drivers that...

dig well, but didn't win the last race? The last race. Did four more for the 21st century? Three more from the three more from the 21st century. Did Ralph Schumacher?

Yeah. No. No Ralph Schumacher. Fisichella? No. Montoya. Montoya won last race. 0-3. Oh, Christ. But you are missing that. O-3? Yeah.

Who the hell won? Barichello. Ruben's Barrakello. So you're actually missing the first three names on the list and also one from the 21st century. Yikilada. For the 21st century. Oh, we're going to be a second century, my bad, sorry.

I was going back to the 80s. He's not there for the 21st century. He's also not there for the 20th century either. Right. Good. We're missing one for the 21st century. Correct. Heinz Harold Franks.

Not for the 21st century. You're allowed to tell us the year? 2011. Mark Weber. Mark Weber. However. And then you're just missing 89, 90 and 92.

Oh. 899.992. Roland Ratsen Burger. Ricardo Petrazi. It's a good shout, but no. Gahar Burger. Burger 1.92. Burger.

Burger. Burger. Burger. Burger. I mean, 89 and 90 is when those two kept having each other off. Yes. Is in Seren and Prost. Yes. Who?

Is it like Nannini? No, he did win Japanese Grand Prix, but that wasn't the last race of the season. Oh, yeah, because I think. Bloody Adelaide. He's going all in me as well. Is that all we've got left? You got two more, 89 and 90, yeah.

Okay, that's it. He's got the racist, is it? Oh, no. Is it Nelson Piquet? Yeah. Oh. What for both? No, just 1990.

There's one more name. for 1989. 89. Oh, I want to get it now. First name on this list. No one's ever said this, but I'm happy I got the racist. Cheat, good. 89.

89. Who was good in 189? No one, really. He won a handful of races, this guy. It wasn't his only one, but he didn't, he didn't get to double figures. He wasn't a world fitter. Tieri Bootson. Tieri Bootson.

Where's his cats? The list. Nice. I think. You might have had a few wrong answers in there, so I don't think it was quite a clean sweep. No, I didn't do well at all. To be, as Jacques Villeneuve was,

as soon as I was writing this list out, I knew that there were two traps on this list, Jack Villeneuve and Alan Prost, and you managed to hit both of them. That's so me, though. I'm such like the normal guy, you know. I'm the everyday man. Such the normal guy.

I'm the guy next door. The average joke. I really am. I represent the people. I'm doing it for you guys. Yeah, me and you are the, you listeners are me in this conversation. I've got two brainiacs next.

to me. I really try, you know. Trays, only trades. I try and I fail. Oh dear. Well, that's it. Tom. Podcast over. I'm done.

You've got an else second. Sorry for all the chaos. Is that it? Generally in life. Oh, right, just generally. No, you plugged everything, really. Link into Gscrippies, of course, for all your needs. Discord.

Can we go over with with us for a chat? All you need. Yeah. Get your shopping. Get that down there as well. Yeah, we've got Patreon again. You don't just get early access to these tickets as well for our live show, of course. You get two extras, depending on the tier that you're on,

which is two extra episodes a month. You also get a beer with breaking, which is already live for August. And you get a little birthday shout out on the month of your birth, which we will remember to do before the end of the month. But if you're an August baby, if you're a Leo, as I've been told, then, you know, we give you some time to joining, you know, because you might go, oh, it's my birthday this month. I'll jump into Patreon, and you get a little shout out.

Whilst you there, buy a ticket to the live show. Even if you're not coming? Well, no, that would be stupid. Oh, don't do that. Yeah, don't do that. That's bad advice. Anyway, I've been Samuel Singh. I've been Ben Hocking.

And I've been Boots and Cats. Nice. And remember, bye, keep breaking late. Just talking over and say goodbye now. Boots and Cats. Bye. Bye. Bye.

This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network.