The Late Braking F1 Podcast - Is Alonso right about Lewis Hamilton?

Episode Date: November 2, 2022

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Hello and a very warm welcome to the late-breaking F-1 podcast presented by Harry Ead, Sam Sage, and me, Ben Hocking. It is a slight pause. There's no race this weekend, so there's a slight pause in the dramatic finale to this season. championship of course still hanging by a Fred who's going to win it but we'll take a short break from that as we as we delve into a non-race weekend podcast but if you think we haven't got anything to talk about you're wrong because we are going to reward every single one of you who's listening to a non-race weekend episode by providing you a late breaking first as far as I'm aware something never heard before in the history of this podcast Sam are you as

excited as me for the debut of game show host Harry. Woo! Gose show host, although I am equally terrified because I'm going to get... If you'd like to see the headline, simple man gets beat into death by intelligent man, that is what will happen later on on the podcast. Now Harry is hosting the game show.

I'm quite scared. I think it's brave of you to assume that I've actually prepared a game. Yeah. What was that mean? Given we are... we're currently recording this. It is 7.58 UK time. Harry, could you confirm for the listeners?

When did you finish writing this quiz? 755, I think. We hit record. He was still writing it. We got one, folks. Don't you worry? And we'll keep it a surprise. It's fresh.

Yeah, it's no idea. It's, it isn't existing. I will spoil that. I've not made up a new game three minutes before the podcast starts. impressive if you did. You're very impressed. Before we get into game show host, Harry, we have got a few other topics to decide before that.

We're going to be chatting the Hamilton and Alonzo drama from the weekend. Petty weekend continued with that. So we'll discuss that a little bit later on. We will have a quick chat on the cost cap penalty that was applied for Red Bull as we haven't given our verdict as to what the FIA's verdict was yet. Stoffel Van Dorn has signed for us to Marston. Martin, as a reserve driver for next year, our reaction to that. Does it potentially pave the way for another driver to take his spot at Mercedes? But firstly, we'll discuss an unexpected drama from

this past weekend at the Mexican Grand Prix, because both Max Verstappen and indeed the entire Red Bull team decided that they were going to boycott Sky Sports UK for any media interviews and the like. It's not something we regularly see when it comes to Formula One, but both Max Vastappen and the team themselves coming out with statements essentially saying that it's not directly related to one particular comment, but an accumulation of comments throughout this year against Max Vastappen. They feel that bias has come into play here. And as a result, decided to boycott for the weekend. As far as we're aware at the moment, it will be back to normal for Brazil, but of course that remains to be seen. Sam, what did you make of this? Do you think Vostappan and

Red Bull are within their rights to go ahead with this? I mean, yes. theory, they're in their rights to say, we will not accept interviews from a certain organisation. They have that right as a company to say yes or no to accepting interviews. Do I think it's the right choice? Do I think that they're acting appropriately? I think they've overreacted a little bit here. I think the comment that sparked it, the final comment that, you know, pushed them over the egg, so to speak, was poor, poor Ted, you know, two seconds Ted, you know, Ted Kravitt standing his shorts in the pit lane, had said, Hamilton was robbed at Abu Dhabi, right? I think that was the coming.

And at nine point did Ted Kravitz say he was robbed by Vastappen, or it's Red Bull of Bostappen's fault, or it's down to Vestappen for all this trial. He just said, Hamilton was robbed. And I think if you factually look at the events that went on, you could make a very fair argument that the way the championship was decided to come Abu Dhabi was very abnormal. We hadn't seen those events before, and it even came out but those decisions were made in the best interest of entertainment rather than following the sporting regulations. Hakes why we've lost Michael Massey as the race director, right?

I think we can all kind of fairly shake. Not that, Hanks, whether you're a Red Bull fan and the Sages fan or completely irrelevant at that conversation. But it was that comment from Ted that pushed them over the edge. Now, I have no issue with any brand in Formula One turn around and going, we don't agree with what's been said. And as part of a punishment, so to speak, to stand up for our drivers and our staff,

we won't be speaking to you. You don't get our air time. Okay, fine. But Red Bull and Mercedes, out of all of Formula One over the last couple of years, have utilised the media to say so many things on their end, to push out messages on their end, to provoke, to prod,

to drive certain messages and viewpoints that I do think it was a bit of a rash and somewhat silly decision to go, no, that's the comment. That's the one thing that's pushing us over. It's like being punched over and over and over again. And you punching someone back over and over and over again. And then someone picking up a pee off their plate and throwing it at your forehead and going, that's it.

I've had enough. No more for me. It just felt a bit over the top. So I don't really disagree with the reason why they did it. I think it's a bit silly. But overall, I have no issue with teams or drivers. making a point standing up for themselves in public, going, no, you push me too far.

I don't want to talk to you anymore about this for a little while. That's fine. But I think they went too far with it, especially on this topic. What do you think, Harry? Oh, man. Petty, petty, petty, petty, petty. I was about to say, I'm surprised you didn't do a petty-poise joke there, given your P-enology you used, Sam, but...

Oh, I'm just not witty enough. Maybe you could put out, but that's not true. Look, I think it's very, this is coming from a podcast, famous for its British bias. Yeah, yeah, we love the Brits, yeah. We love the Brits up, the Brexit. Yeah. Very genuine, very genuine, authentic.

Okay, so if anyone didn't get that joke from that response, I was a joke, obviously. But anyway, it's, It's very hard in the world of sport in general to be completely impartial. And I think we tab us, I was on the back here, I think we do quite a good job of it, despite what people say sometimes. But it's very hard to be completely impartial when you're commentating, commenting on sports, and the same applies for F1. and there's impartiality sorry there's partiality everywhere

it could be from Sky F1 around UK UK based drivers etc Hamilton Russell but then you listen to a Spanish comms or an Italian comes and a Dutch comms and it's all the same for their respective drivers and the thing is

it's kind of celebrated like you know when it's a great like when Valtreys 1 they did finish, when Kim Riker won, they had a finish, they showed the finish commentary.

And that's great. I kind of like that. I think it's hard to get rid of, it's hard to make everyone impartial, basically. I don't want outright, just we only watch this for one driver commentary, but it's,

it's going to be hard to be completely neutral all the time. So in that respect, I don't really get why they, done this. I think the thing is that stood up the most of me is how this is, I feel like this is just the start of the pain that's going to come from the way

this championship was settled. I don't mean for us because we've had a lot of pain from it. But the pain for Vastappen and for Red Bull because because I feel I fear this is always going to happen. And I don't think what Ted said was too far over the line.

It wasn't, you know, it was a bit dramatic, should we say. But like Sam said, he didn't outright say it was for Stappen's fault, etc, etc. But yeah, this is my worry. It worries me that this has got to Verstappen and Red Bull because I fear that maybe worse to come on this one, especially with the whole cost cap stuff as well. So it's odd that this is what's got to them, especially given the relationship, at the Red Bull and Sky in particular

seemed to enjoy because Christian Horn's on the pit wall talking to the comms box every second of every weekend it seems they seem to have a pretty amicable relationship right up until last weekend where they didn't so I don't know it is the

decision to boycott the entire Sky broadcasting team for the weekend seemed like an odd one maybe it was a statement they were trying to make but it doesn't as Sam said they're in every right to do it but they seem to the wrong they seem the wrong time to do it if they were going to do it basically

but yeah it just in general makes me sad that this is where we've got to I think both sides both sides are in the wrong here Sky can rain it in a bit but Red Bull also need to be a bit and Max probably need to be a bit more

thick-skinned I think to jump in before Ben probably makes a very very good point if I don't know what you guys think about If I was Red Bull, if I was Red Bull, I'd almost want to wash my hands of it. I'd almost want to be, like, publicly release a statement that says, we know it was decided in a very unusual manner that we had no control over. We understand why some people have got frustrations around it.

But it's the way it is we can't change it. Max Gill technically earned that tight as much as Lewis did that season. We're going to move on now. Thank you. We're going to move on. I feel like if they did that and owned the situation, people would go, all right, can't respect it. it was decided unusually nothing they could do about it

move on with your life I feel like that might help them out some more yeah I mean this is my point I think as in general as a whole everyone needs to move on from it I know I know people have their own opinions on what happened in Abu Dhabi

but wait this is my point I feel like it can only get worse all of this because I sky sky should you still be talking talking about this a year later.

And Red Bull, again, you're not helping things. So it's, um, just relax, everyone. Chill out. Have a whirly bar. God damn right, have a whirly bar. I had it before recording. It was so good. I really hope in terms of what you're saying, Harry,

that it might be the start or something and it's not going to get better in terms of the controversy of that win. I, I don't know whether you're right or wrong. I hope you're wrong, obviously, on this one. And generally speaking, I can count on you being wrong. So that's good. Very fair point. And I think in time it will be okay.

And it's tough to compare these situations because they are different in that Max Verstappen, obviously I hated the way Abu Dhabi went down last year. But absolutely none of it was Max Verstappen's fault. And I feel really bad for Max Verstappen because of that. So these situations aren't the same. but if you think back to say a controversial Schumacher win from the 90s or even a controversial loss from the 90s, say, I will take the 94 championship win, right?

Where one under incredibly controversial circumstances. And he, you know, what he did there, again, Vastappan didn't do anything wrong in Dhabi. Schumacher definitely did do something wrong at Australia. It doesn't really tarnish his relation. I don't know what you mean, mate. Damon Hill just dived bomb him, darling. Oh, shast. That's a pretty bad boy.

Proper Brit, why I say it's. But, you know, years on. There's another one. No one thinks badly, right? A very few people think, but still think badly now. So I don't think Vastappan, who, again, didn't do anything wrong on the day. I think in time it will be okay.

And I think you're absolutely right, Sam, in terms of, I don't even think it's owning the situation. It's just understanding what it was. And we're all very aware that it was the FIA not following their own rules. And I have said before, I feel bad for Max Verstappen because of that, because he has still a year on got the repercussions of this. In terms of the response to Sky Sports from Red Bull and Vastappen, I do think it's, it is a bit childish in all honesty.

And is there bias when it comes to Sky Sports F1? Yes, I do think there is a little bit of bias, but much like you said in terms of other regional commentators, like it's present in a far more open way in other countries. Now, I appreciate in commentary at least, they are the global commentators. So there's more of a responsibility there than say local Dutch commentators as an example. But you know, you've got situations where Max Verstappen overtook Lewis Hamilton last year at the French Grom, to go on and win quite late on. And the commentator will outright say, okay, we, we, as in the, that's the term they use,

we just need to hold off Hamilton now until the end. Could you imagine, could you imagine the backlash if Crofty came out and said, okay, Hamilton's just got the overtake done. We just need to hold him off now until the end of the Grand Prix. Everyone would, very rightly, lose their insert swear word, because it would be outright bias, but apparently because it's okay in that sense.

So I don't have a problem with it, but you can't have a problem with one and then not have a problem with the other and vice versa. You've got to have a problem with both or a problem with neither. I agree that I think, I just don't think it's the right approach to it. And in terms of the robbed comments, again, I agree with you. The language is not what I would personally have used. But again, as he say, he doesn't say Vastappen robbed him. He doesn't say anything about Maxfuss Dapen.

And it is, again, the language isn't the same as what argues, but it is an accurate retelling of what happened. The rules weren't followed, and he was robbed of an opportunity to win a championship because of it. Like, that is what happened. It's a factual retelling of it. I would add more context to it if I was applying it in that circumstance. Sure.

But, you know, I don't think what he said was wrong. So I just think if Red Bull have a problem, again, what you said, Sam, they are fully entitled to do whatever they want, but I think the better approach from them is not to boycott. And the better approach is actually to, I don't know, to just, as Martin Brundle tweeted actually, just come out and have those conversations and be more overt with why you think what you think and be a bit more specific. You know, if there are particular comments you don't like, challenge him and challenge them on it. So we didn't appreciate the this comment, we don't think it's pathetic.

And then have those discussions and work it out from there. I don't think boycotting and reducing the lines of communication. I don't think that's ever a good idea for progress. So I think Red Bull, you know, they have, I don't think they don't have a point. Apologies for the double negative there. But I just don't think this is the right response. I don't think it helps anyone. a final point actually just on the whole Ted Kravitz thing.

And in terms of impartiality and bias, does he need to be impartial? He's not providing commentary. He is on his notebook providing entertainment as a program. It's, you know, it's his, does he need to show impartiality? Even if, you know, like I say, I think there is a bit of bias there. and I'd like to see some of it removed, but I don't think this is the right approach. I'll tell you what, though, on the Ted Kravitz point,

whether you agree with how he was phrasing it, what he said, whatever it was, the level of abuse that that man has come under on social media is abhorrent. It is atrocious and appalling and disgusting. And I don't know about you two. Maybe it's just me and my low tolerance levels, but I am sick of Formula One social media

in the last 18 months or so. It tires me being involved with it. I'm so sick of seeing, you know, F1X. I would joke about, like, you know, fix or stupid nicknames for each driver under everyone's account or being horrible to people on social media because they support Lewis Hamilton or you support Max the Staten or whatever. I am so sick and tired. I'm not being able to look through a comment thread on anything F1 related without seeing

someone insulting or being horrible to someone else. And this is showing its really ugly head, again, on this Ted Kravitz thing. You know, you go through his social media. People are like, you know, the issue. should kill himself, that he should never be on TV again. It's excessive and horrible behaviour. And if it is, if any of you listening, I've done any of that, you should be ashamed of yourselves. And I don't want you listening to the podcast. I don't you're in the community. It's awful. Try me more reasonable. As Ben said, try to have an actual discussion. Talk about what you're doing,

don't like properly. Just be normal, kind people. Chill out. Have a whirly bar. It's not that hard. All right. There's bigger things in life. But I mean, people around the world might not be able to get whirling bars. That might be the problem. They are accessible alternatives in other countries. We're going to solve F1 Twitter's anger, community's anger management issues by distributing whirly bars around the world. Out of helicopters over cities everywhere.

Chucking over the people. Chill out and have a whirly bar. You'll put that slowing off on landmarks around the world. As a start, I think we should just, every time someone's being ridiculous or nasty underneath an F1 thread, we just tweet them a picture of a world. whirly bar. We're starting

to move out here. We don't just want to limit this to us. People listening along. If you see something you don't like, post the whirly bar.

Chill out and have a whirly bar. Yeah. Sam will put, he's got a picture, I think, of a whirly bar. More than one. He'll put it on Twitter

or will put it on Twitter on a late break in and they'll like to use that. And we're tweeting out, folks. It'll be under the caption. Chill out and have a whirly bar. We're doing hashtag

chill out of a whirly bar. I want to get it trend in? Yeah, I'll do have to actually. Yeah, because there's a real chance this can be trending. Good. Great. Well, that's a good summary to that topic, I think.

Fortunately, there's definitely no controversy and anything else we're discussing tonight. Our second topic, I don't think we'll bring that much controversy, but we'll be discussing Stoffel Van Dorn, moving to Ashton Martin as a reserve driver right after this. It's the Nissan Black Friday event where you can, Wait, wait. Isn't it like a month long now? Nissan Blackfri-Mondh. Does that work?

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So, first of all, a couple of points for Aston Martin, well done. You managed to make an announcement before we recorded a podcast. We always appreciate that. No Thursday news from them. Absolutely love it. So alongside Felipe Drogovic, who has already announced as one of their reserve drivers for 2023,

Stoffel Van Dorn will be joining. So Stoffel Van Dorn has spent the last couple of years as Mercedes a reserve driver as well as competing in Formula E for Mercedes, winning the Formula E Championship in its most recent season. We'll be moving to Aston Martin next year though. Now, we know that the driver line up at Mercedes, the reserve driver lineup has been Sovall Van D'Orne and Nick DeVries. Nick DeVries is going to be racing in Formula One next year for Alpha Tauri,

and Van Dorn, of course, has just moved as well, which leaves a vacancy. A lot of discussion about whether that might be filled by Daniel Ricardo. Harry, do you think that that's what is playing out here? I'd guess so wasn't Toto Wolf wearing some Daniel Ricardo

merch at the weekend as well you know it looks fresh it's how announcement to go nowadays yeah it's Daniel Ricardo merch yeah I mean it looks

if they're gonna get anyone as a reserve driver there's a very eligible eligible bachelor on the market in terms of the drivers so yeah

I think that's probably the way It's probably the way it's going. I didn't see an interesting interview other day. I think it's from the weekend where someone was asking him about whether he was going to go back and be a Red Bull reserve driver. Now, personally, I think that's a terrible idea. But it was very smiley and, I don't know, trying to hide something. But anyway, I'm not ridden into that at all.

Yeah, look, I think it's the logical move, isn't it? They've lost two reserved drivers here. so in the form of Nick DeVries and Stoffel Van Dorn and like I said there's a very good candidate to replace him in Daniel Riccardo who doesn't have a drive next year so I can't wait for this to be wrong can't wait for Mercedes to announce Nicholas Latifie as the reserve driver tomorrow

Esty Goose. I mean he's just there all the time he never leaves. He'll ask you to live together in a caravan outside the studio I'd watch that TV show outside the simulator it. S-D-N-A-N-A-F. We call it

Ans-A-G. Kirsten-safe. Oh, make it happen. Like boots and cats for beatboxing. Yeah, sure. Goods and Dave. Goods and Dave. So basically you think this is going to happen,

Harry, but because you think this is going to happen, it probably won't. Yeah. That's life. Good stuff. Do you see that playing out at the same way, so? Um, I mean, all points,

direct us towards it. Now, I think for Daniel Ricardo, you know, I'm going to pre-fix this by saying that him having a Formula One driver being on the Grig next season is the best option for him, I think, almost regardless of where he is. But if that isn't going to happen, a reserve driver at one of the most successful teams of all time is not a bad option. And it's not a bad option, not just because of, you know, it keeps you in the limelight of Formula one, but it allows you to open up a lot of doors. Mosegis aren't just Mosegis' Formula One team. They are a powerhouse of automotive manufacturing worldwide. You know, the connections, the opportunities that you can, in theory, make under that Mosegis Banner are huge.

So if he sees himself outside of Formula One in a couple of years' time, then Mosegis are a family that you want to be a part of, because they will have an inn somewhere that you will probably want to go. So for Daniel Ricardo, if he's not going to be on the grid, if we can never see Daniel Ricardo on the grid, then maybe bar Ferrari, Mercedes are the team that you want to get involved with. long term. For Mercedes, on the other hand, this makes total sense. And I think almost a bit of a coup. The fact that you've got an eight-time race winner in your hands. You've got a guy that's won for multiple teams. You've got someone who understands teams up and down the grid, what their weaknesses might be, different aerode projects and what's going on. Danny Ricardo knows what he's

doing. He's a great marketing point for the team as well. Makes total sense. If you ever have any major issues, let's say, I don't know, Lewis Hamilton gets COVID again, right? are there too many other people you don't you walk to step into the car that aren't going to have a drive and daniel ricardo i put ricardo in my car if i couldn't pick one of the other 19 drivers on the grid um it makes a lot of sense of both things of the party i still think ricohio should try and get himself a drive on the uh on the grid for next year which is the half seat now but if it isn't going to happen i think it makes sense and i can see it happening i think it's a positive move for both sides yeah i think uh the point you make in terms of if ricardo was need to

step in or basically when reserve drivers need to step in. Just to add to that, there is a real depreciation that goes on when you're out of the sport. Every year that you are out of the sport, you become less valuable to step back into the car. And I'll get onto that, actually, when it comes to Stoffel van Dorn in a moment. But when it comes to Daniel Ricardo and the new era of cars, now, he might not have gelled very well with it yet, but the number of drivers out of the sport in reserve roles who have experience of the new cars, that list isn't going to be very long, right? You can say, even if you've had experience driving an F-quart one car in 2020, that might not be worth all that much because of the dramatic change that happened for 2021. So Daniel Ricardo

might actually be in a strong position from a reserve standpoint. To what you said, Harry, in terms of Red Bull, if you were to go back there potentially, I mean, I would have eternal respect for Daniel Ricardo if he was to do that. I don't even know if it would be the best move, but I don't know if there would ever be an instance in humankind of someone swallowing their pride more than Daniel Ricardo in order to make that move. To walk away from that team voluntarily, to then see the success that they went on to whilst you have gone to Renault and did well, but no better than well because of the car, had a tough time at McLaren to then go, back to Red Bull, but as a reserve driver rather than as a full-time driver,

a fair play. If you can face that, fair play to you. I think it is all trending in the direction that he will be going to Mercedes in some capacity. From Daniel Ricardo's perspective, I agree with you, Sam. I would rather he was on the grid somewhere than as a reserve driver, because there's just no guarantees as to what you're going to do. I mean, obviously, you don't qualify as a young driver for practice. sessions. You know, you might get a few opportunities in the car, but realistically, you just can't count on them. So I think that is what's going to happen here. You don't even

with Mercedes have the advantage that you could do Formula E like Van Dorn and DeVries have done over the last few years. That's not an option anymore for old Danny Rick. So I think that's what's going to happen. Whether it's a great move for Daniel Ricardo remains to be seen. quite honestly the top teams seem pretty set for a couple of years. I know things changed in Formula One, but we've discussed this at how George Russell is young. He's not going anywhere. Lewis Hamilton seems to want a multi-year deal,

in which case that's not happening. Vastappenha already has a long-term deal, and Perez isn't going anywhere for at least two years either. So there's no obvious in for a top seat for someone like Daniel Ricardo, in which case maybe it would make more sense to go to a team. that is further down the grid, but is at least accessible. Just a quick mention in terms of Stoffel Van Dorn and how this plays out for him, do you think that this is a positive, negative, sideways move for him, Harry?

Is there any route back to him? No, I don't. Well, actually, no, I'll take that bad because we saw with Nick DeFries. I mean, it's not really, negative to freeze wasn't coming back in. in that respect. But, you know, it's how quickly things can change in the F1. Nick DeFries has a random opportunity

to do a race in Italy, and then suddenly, boom, Alpha Tauri seat. So it could be. It could be. Who knows what happened with Fernando Alonzo at Aston Martin? So maybe that's what he's hedging.

He's been teammates with Fernando. He knows what he's like. Maybe that's what he's hedging. He was very happy to have him there. You might have seen his tweet and response. to the news. He was pretty happy. Good.

See? Good, good chum, Stoffie and Fernando. Knows he can beat him 17 nill in qualifying. Yeah. Wasn't going to...

Whatever that number ended up being. So, yeah, maybe that's what he's hedging his bets on there. But it seems odd to me, it's not odd because maybe he thought

I'm not going anywhere in the Mercedes outfit. As you say, Ben, they're quite locked in in Mercedes for a quite a few years by the looks of things. So he obviously thought it was time for a change. And maybe there is an opportunity to get back in here.

So in that sense, I don't think it's not a downward move, sideways move, I would say. I think it really depends on what Alonzo does. But Alonzo doesn't seem set on retiring anytime soon. Hence why he's at Aston Martin, because Alpi wanted him to just do one more year. So yeah, we'll see how that works out. But like I say, Bennett, it moves so quickly, move so quickly these days in F1.

I mean, you can save yourself some energy, actually, Harry. If you just clip what you've said in terms of Alonzo has no intention to going anywhere, just use that because you can reuse that for the next 30 years. You don't need to say it again. Evergreen content, that is? Evergreen content, man. Cheers. You're welcome, lads.

Harry's actually got being on the podcast for a year. play repeated clips of what he's been saying. They clits in 2020. It's the benefit of not having an opinion on anything. It's great. That's what I do with other things. I think it's play out. I don't know.

I don't know clip together. I'm actually the most opinionated one out of the three of us, but they make it sound like I've got no opinion. He's in the coverage with some tape over his mouth. Please. Let me talk about it. Do you have any thoughts on that? So do you think it's an all right move for stuff?

Oh, what's the point? Honestly, what is the point? He's getting a paycheck, isn't he? He's getting himself a paycheck. And I don't blame the lad. I do not blame him. He's not getting back into Formula One. He turns 31 before the new season starts.

And I know age is only but a number of Formula One these days. And Fernando also has proven. And Lewis Hamilton is proving that, you know, just because you're an older driver does not mean that you're off the high horse, you shouldn't be racing. But when Stoffel was in Formula One, he didn't exactly shower himself with glory, didn't exactly stand up and show why he made me he could be a driver for the future.

He's a good racing driver. He's a good race car driver. And we proved that in Formula E this season. But I think that's all he is. So fair on him for joining a big company like Askin Martin, getting a paycheck, being a part of an automotive family that maybe opens up some doors outside of Formula One. But I don't know why he has to.

could be one of the test drivers when they've got Drogovich as well, who realistically you want to give the time to him so he could develop as a driver more quickly and could possibly be ready to jump into the car. You find out on so go, that's it, I'm retiring. I don't really get it. So well done for stuff. Forget yourself a paycheck. Well done for giving you in your career and opening some doors.

But in terms of an Askin Martin point of view, I don't really get it. Yeah, I think it was probably a necessary move from Stoffel Van Dorn, probably because the option was attach yourself to Aston Martin as a Formula One team or don't attach yourself to any Formula One team. So I get why, realistically, it's not, it can't be an upward move because whilst he wasn't Aster Martin reserve driver before, he kind of was because Mercedes and Aston Martin and McLaren have typically shared their reserve drivers. So there would have always been an opportunity, as we saw when Nick DeVries going into free practice for Aston Martin this year, there was always a small opportunity that Van Dorn could do that

without having it officially in a title anyway. So it can't be, it's almost like he's gone from being a reserve driver for a couple of teams to only being a reserve driver for one team. So it can't really be an upward move. But like I say, if you, if Mercedes can't happen, you might as well attach yourself to one team, even if the chance of getting back into Formula 1 is really beyond slim, because I don't think it will happen. The good thing, that Van Dorn can point to, at least for the next 12 months, is, hey, I'm the Formula E champion. You see that guy racing in F1? He was my teammate. He finished ninth. Like, that's pretty good to be able to say that. So he can say that for 12 months. He finished nine. He finished nine.

I don't know if Van Dorn would put it that way. I would put that emphasis on what I just did, by the way, stuff. Like, it makes you sound even better. But just, you know, he can have that to his name. That looks good on the CV. But yeah, I think you're right. At his age, I don't think, making him sound like he's 55 here, but it's tough to get back into Formula One.

And we are now approaching a time where he is, what, five, six years removed from his last F1 appearance. So, you know, I think it's probably a sideways move. I don't think it can be a forwards move. But, yeah, if he stays attached, I think if Aston Martin, were in a position where they need one of their reserve drivers to step up,

even if it is early in the 2023 season, I think they take the pun on Drogovich. I don't think they go in Van Dorn's direction, even if it is early doors. I think the only thing that we maybe don't know about is that Stoffel might be a fantastic development driver, right? He might have brilliant insight into the technical side of things that we just don't get to hear about on normal news, normal conversations.

I don't know. Some drivers have it. That's why Anthony Davidson had such a large role. At the same is he was very good at understanding the data and feeling about the data. Stoff might be exactly the same. There might be that perk. But other than that, I don't see it. Okay, in our next segment, after this short break, we're going to attempt to kill Harry.

His blood pressure might well completely go through the roof to the point of no survival. You aren't going to want to miss that, folks. Stay around. When you say that Antidozen has a large role, I could just picture him with a really large red. Red. Just got this baguette. That's a really classic antig. You can see more of that on Goose and Dave.

Anthony Baps and ding. Next week on Gootson Dave, Anthony becomes a role. Antiguing a massive role. He's gone to the bakers. Right. Estabang's rolling it down the road. Okay, folks. Cost cap time. It's that time again. So we gave our opinion when it was announced

that a Red Bull had broken some rules. We gave our announcements to what we think the verdict should be. Since then, of course, we know what the verdict is that the FIA have given. And we're going to give our verdict to the FIA's verdict, if that makes sense. We weren't sure whether to include this, because I think, quite frankly, I might be speaking for all three of us here. We just want it to be over by now. But ultimately it is a big story in the world of F1, and we did put this in a poll in Discord. And whilst the effort was to try and make option C win yet again,

this one did win. So we will give it a bit of time. But after this, unless there's any massive developments, we're not talking about it again, all right? We're done. So, Harry, what did you make of the verdict? and try and keep composed. Oh.

It's a good stuff. It's good. Yeah. But I mean, sure. Whatever. It was a, they gave them some, right.

The money fine for a budget cam. Infringement what is the point in that? Don't get me started. Don't get me started. What is the point in that?

Oh no, no, no. Oh, God. Yeah, that just makes... That just makes no sense. No sense. Not nonsense. I honestly don't... I don't have any more to say on that

because it just doesn't make... For what is fundamentally a discrepancy, an error, a clerical error, should we say, which has led to this, to make them have more clerical errors potentially by just piling on some more debt on top of it. Anyway, whatever. The wind tunnel stuff, look, I think I'm pretty, I don't really remember I try to block it out, but I think that's what I said, maybe. I think it's maybe what Sam said as well. You were right.

Winter, well, we nailed it. But some sort of wind tunnel reduction is 10% too lenient. Potentially, they are already losing, is it, 5% because they obviously won the constructors this year. So they make that 15. I think it's way more than that. Is it? I think it's 30.

Yeah, they go to 70% of the time that the, 10th place team is... They might be five down on second place. Five down. Yeah. So five down for last... Yeah. So yeah.

So they're losing 15 on what they had last year. So yeah. Maybe that's slightly too lenient. But quite frankly, I don't care anymore. I do not care. And the water wall to coverage, awful. I know we were sort of slightly defending the sky earlier, but it's been...

I hated it. Stop it. well they have now because it's done but you know should stop it earlier yeah it's a big topic and I get it it's just all of the toxicity that comes off the back of it is just

get in the bin I gave my verdict on what I thought the penalty should be I thought the championship should be stripped my opinion hasn't changed on that if you want to go back and listen to our verdicts in full where we spent a good amount of time going through it on that episode, then please do. I knew that that was never going to be the verdict. So you could technically say,

am I, do I think it's enough? Obviously, no, based on what I thought the verdict should be. But based on what I thought realistically might happen, this feels about where I thought it was going to end up. I won't spend too much time on it because I don't have the patience, but in terms of the money part of it, it's the most stupid thing in the world, in it? Like, oh my God, $7 million. I know it sounds like a lot, but it really isn't. Bear in mind that before cost caps were introduced into Formula One,

Red Bull happily spent $300 plus million on the sport of Formula One. 7 million is not a big percentage of 300 million. They might as well have not bothered. It is that little of an impact. And you can't, regardless of whether it was a clericlera or whether they intentionally overspent, it doesn't really matter. Point being here, you can't punish a team that willingly went over a cost cap by taking money from them. It doesn't make sense. It's going to die. It's going to die. It makes no sense.

It would make a bitter sense if that money came out of the future year cost gap. It isn't. It's just a pure fine. So that's just madness. And in terms of the difference from a percentage-wise, the 10% cut in aerodynamic testing time, I'm going to be brutally honest on this. I'm going to be brutally honest on this, right? I've seen on social media and otherwise, engineers, people who know what they're talking about cannot decide whether this is lenient or not. There are people I've seen on both sides of this argument who know their stuff. And if they can't decide whether this is going to be lenient or straight, I can't decide, all right? I don't know as much as those people. There are engineers who do this day to day who think, wow, that's a pretty big penalty. I've also seen a few

engineers say, wow, they got off lightly on that, didn't they? I'm sorry, if they can't decide, I can't. But what I can say is this, at least, because if you look in the numbers, they are set to, there's a base level of testing that you get. We'll call that 100%. And it goes up and down, depending, as Harry was kind of mentioning that, it goes up and down depending on where you finish in the championship. So the higher in the championship we finish, the less you get. So it's 70% as the baseline for first place. It goes all the way down to last place, which will probably Williams, 115%. So there's a 45% gap, essentially, between first and last. Now, I think, this is where it gets a little bit confusing, the 10% penalty is of the 70%. So it's actually not,

it is. So it's a 7% drop rather than a 10% drop if that makes any sense whatsoever. So it's 63% they'll end up with. Christian Horner is claiming that that is between a quarter and a half a second difference, right? Okay, I can't say he's right or wrong on this. But are you trying to tell me that if 7% is worth up to half a second, again, there is a 45% difference between Red Bull and Williams. Are you saying on paper, are you saying on paper that Williams should be like three and a half seconds up base?

Because that's what you're saying, if that's how much that is worth, like I say, I'm not an engineer so I can just look at the numbers here, but I'm a bit skeptical when I look at them. That's all I'll say. What's your opinion on it, Sam? I'm not going to dwell because we've already gotten angry enough and I feel like when I get angry, the whole world explodes. So, yeah, Ben, you're exactly right. Don't just give them a fine, a fine. It's just a random arbitrary fine. Penalizing someone spending a lot of money by asking them to spend more money is like, you know, giving a rich person a parking ticket. they'll just keep doing it

because they don't care about the parking ticket. So, yeah, take away off next year's budget or off 22-4's budget. Thanks. An actual genuine good one, not like your normal.

Right, great. A complex out there. Right, just keep calm, have a whirly bar. Keep calm, have a wily bar. So that should come off the cost cap, their actual amount.

And then the windtangle time. I think wind tunnel time reduction is great. I think less testing for them, less ability to build the car. That's going to hurt them the most, more than the money aspect. But Ben's right. It shouldn't be the 7%. The 7% is too little. I think they should be dropped at least to the next whole number, at least down to 60%. And I feel like it's a deceiving title by saying they've lost 10% of wind tunnel time. But it's not. It's 10% of what they already had. It's not another 10% gone. And I feel like the FIA had been a little bit crafty with how they published that to try and maybe complement both

size of the argument. So I've dropped it down to 60 myself. I do feel like maybe it could have gone slightly further with both the fine and the percentages, although there are a lot of, and I get why they're arguing it. Red Bull fans and Red Bull themselves are arguing that after there was, what was it, a tax credit, compensation difference that was worked out. They were only 450,000 over the budget. So this feels extreme for 450,000. My point to that is, and while I get your argument, I get that it feels maybe extreme to you, they, cheated. They're still over the amount. They're still the only team that broke the rules. You should be punished. I'm really bored of Formula One having this kind of a...

Do you accept your punishment? Or do you like how leaning or severe it is? No, sorry, if you break the rules, whether it be by a pound or by a million pounds or a hundred million pounds, or dollars, or euros, or whatever currency you want to put it in, just go back to a billionaire. You should get punished and it should be the same punishment. So, yes, a bit frustrating. and I think they've applied the rules, their punishment rules incorrectly myself. I would make the changes that I just could just get them. Do you know what they're doing to make up for the lack of winter or time?

They're cloning Adrian Nui. They're cloning him. No, they're going to get, you know, one of the Honda people carriers that they have around Milton Keynes. And Adrian Niu is going to hang out of the window, a little model, a little model of the left on car. and it's going to drive around all the roundabouts there? Because for people who haven't been to Milton Keynes,

there's a lot of roundabouts there. There's a lot of roundabouts. It's Adrian Newey. That's too much of an advantage. It'd work it out, wouldn't he? He's a clever chap. It'll work it out. I absolutely love the idea of Adrian Newellian running through Milton

King's High Street with a little model car above his head going, meh-ehm. If it would help him out, you'd do it. That's Adrian Newey all over it. He would do it. That's the thing. He would do it. I'll tell you what.

Sorry. Oh, sorry, Ben. I just didn't say, you know, when he stood there before the race starts, looking at other people's cars, should you, just like, normally a Ferrari or a Mercedes, do you think he's just looking at it going, I wouldn't have done that. That's wrong.

I wouldn't have done that either. I think he sees it like the Matrix. You know, when Neo sees the Matrix, all the numbers trickling down. I think that's what he looks at a Formula, and it looks like to him. It's like green and black, and it's like the air particles are sat there.

It's not a car. It's air moving around just an object. I think that's how. he sees. I appreciate this is getting very off topic. But you remember in COVID, right, when 2020, F1 did this sort of poll where they looked at drivers and team bosses and everyone and tried to, who is the greatest sport, Formula One person of all time. I can't remember we won it, probably Bernie, but honestly, Adrian Newe has a massive case to say he is the best Formula One person of all time. Like, genuine.

case. Yeah. He is also, in a different way to Lewis Hamilton, he is also quite good at the F1. Yeah, he is quite good at the F1. I reckon he looks at normal things and goes, would it design it that way? Looks at nice to pizza, like, nah, I wouldn't do that. Do you think he's like, yeah, he's pushing the trolley around a supermarket, go, we'll design this differently.

What is this? Waste of space. You know, it looks at kids paper aeroplane goes, you're a young idiot. How have I birthed this? stupid paper airplane. Do you think Adrian knew likes a a little bit of a bar? I'm going to offer him one.

Chill out, Adrian, another way, but... Yeah. I do want to close this segment off just but one thing because one good thing did happen as a result of all of this. I got the best laugh of the year,

I think. Christian Horner demanding an apology from teams is great. I don't even hate it. It's just great banter. It is very funny. I told you we didn't cheat and I was proven wrong.

We did cheat but I want an apology because we didn't cheat as much as we initially thought we cheated. He's just a walking Netflix item. He knows what he's doing. It's his job, so I don't even hate. He's doing his job well, but it's just funny, isn't it? Oh, anyway. Oh, dear.

Let's move on to something else that happened this weekend. Championships have less value when you've only had to fight with your teammate. Words uttered by Fernando Alonzo, which somehow managed to spark a whole Alonzo versus Hamilton debate again. Sam, what do you make of this? This, Mr. Fernando, you menace, devil of Formula One, is one of the most ridiculous takes I've ever heard. And it's such a Fernando thing to say.

It's just like, I'm going to have a dig. Why? Because I'm Fernando and I won't have a dig. Don't care. The amount of championship, exactly. It's the definition of don't care. The amount of championships historically that you could take away from people if, I don't know, let's make an arbitrary gap. You and your teammate in one, two positions were 30 points clear of the next driver.

Schumacher would lose titles. You know, Hamilton will lose. Senna would lose titles. All the greats will have lost titles. all the great sware we have lost titles. I think even Fernando, he lost one of them. So it's such a unnecessary, silly comment to just try and stir up to drama. And he succeeded.

He succeeded in stirring the drama, although I do doff my cap to Lewis Hamilton because I do think his response on Twitter being, and if you haven't seen it, it's literally the thumbs up emoji with a picture of him standing above Fernando alongside on the podium. was sheer brilliance. It was such a good response. And as much I love Fernando, he lost that one.

Because all championships are equal. They're all deserved. They're all hard work for. And I don't really hear you that nuff rubbish, Fernando. I love you dearly, but that was just a, it was a bad take. But spicy drama.

Spivey. So I'm assuming as King of the Fernando Alonzo fan club, Harry, you're putting a hit out on Hamilton right now. Could I say we are living in Fernando Alonzo and Lewis Hamilton's world? All right. This is it. This is all we do now because because it's just, it's just those two.

It's just those two and no one else. I don't care what you say. They're as bad as each other now. I know it's often Alonzo that's provoking it. But sounds right. His response, Hamilton's response was amazing. And in terms of that, in terms of that battle, Alonzo lost it.

it, but they, they, they just, I feel like they need each other. This has been going on since 2007. Last, when this first started, I was 11. So are you, Ben. This is how long. We're 26 now. You're 23. I'm literally one year older than you.

My point is, look, I just think there is bad as each other. And I feel like they're no one. exactly what they're doing. This is why I feel like his comment, because then afterwards he came out and tried to clarify it and said, you know, we should celebrate all championships equally. I think they just...

What did you say what you said then? This is my point. They know what they're doing. The pair of them, they've been doing this for so long now. They just know how to wind each other up. It's the whole, it's the whole... They had it at SPAR, and then Hamilton did the cat thing

and they're smiling out with the picture of the cat together and like we're all mugs all of us mugs because they shut the door after their dung and gone

we got them again exactly I guarantee there'll be some they'll recreate the bloody picture that Hamilton tweeted in Brazil or something and then they'll yeah

shut the door they fell for it again the morons right anyway they honestly apparently need to get room and stay in it enough

I've got to say on this. I love this so much. It's so good. So petty, it's so messy. I do honestly think when it comes to Formula One, there's, it's difficult to have rivalries because you are kind of at the mercy of the tools available to you, right? It's tough to have all this fighting talk when it comes to F1, because if you haven't got the car to deliver, it don't matter how much you want it. It ain't going to happen. So it can be

difficult. And I think a lot of the younger drivers on the grid, they all seem to be great friends. And I don't like it. Just hate each other more. Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton keep going back and forth on this. I love it. They're both ultra competitive. They both think they're the best. That's great. This is sport. This is what is supposed to be. And is it petty? Yes. Is Fernando Alonzo being a moron of course he is and I love it it's it's great sorry Fernando Alonzo saying something and then being like oh god the media creating headlines yeah headlines you wrote you said it oh man I'm not I'm not even anchor I just I love it I really love the drama and the Hamilton response it's just so good

It's so simple. I hope these two stay in F1 for as long as they are good at the F1 and just keep going to coin a phrase back and forth on this for years to come because it's just entertaining. And I love rivalry in sport. I think that's what it's all about. Thumbs up from me. I feel like, nice, I feel like Fernando Alonso, if he was ever asking,

who's the toughest opponents in Formula One? Remember that Lewis Hamilton beat him two years ago rowing, his rookie two seasons in Formula One. I feel like he'd never say Lewis. No. And then they'd go to Lewis. He would say Stoffel Van Dorr, wouldn't he? Absolutely would.

He would. And they go to Hamilton. They go, Hamilton, Lewis, Fernando didn't put you in his most difficult opponents that his face. How do you feel about it? Who's your most difficult opponent? And Hamilton would turn and go, I don't know, like a pencil and a packet of crisps. Because it's so irrelevant, the answer, that you can say anything.

Because you know, you're lying, your little liars. I think, Harry, I think you're right. I think you're bang on that they just cheeky little giggle at each other while we're not looking. Exactly. All the time. Like, I know we're talking,

so we're the mugs, we're talking about it on our podcast. It's good content. But like, look at who we're, and I'm referring more to Fernando now, but look who we're talking about. This is Fernando Alonzo,

who over the summer break, just as the summer break started, broke the news that he was going to drive for Asty Martin next year, didn't tell anyone in our, Pene and then all he put was a video of him and Instagram with a thumbs up like on holiday. This is the man we're talking about here.

That man was in Formula One when I was six and I'm 27 years old. He just knows how to dominate the headlines. And then mugs at them for it. Yeah. Love it. So in conclusion, it's just really funny,

isn't it? Love it. That's funny in it? Ladies and Jets, a late breaking first is coming up after this short break because Harry takes the reins. It's game host Harry. Woo-hoo! Maybe we should make a new game called Game Host Harry. Please don't. Happens once every two years.

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All right, folks, it only took us, check's notes. 234 episodes to get to this point, but here we are. Harry is going to be host of this game. Myself and Sam don't know which one he's picked yet, so this is a grand reveal. Well, hello, everyone, game show host, Harry here. Ben. So unsure about it.

I was unsure. Please, can you select F on back and forth? I can indeed. The crowd goes wild F1 Back and forth It's F1 Back and forth

It goes backwards Then goes forth It's F1 Back and forth F1 I'm pumped for this I just want to say on that theme Of course you sing it live every time Sam

Every time Every time I've gone back to the earliest episodes When you actually did sing it live every time. Oh, yeah, he used to do it live. Yeah. Crazy. Good times.

Of course, they're all live anyway, but yeah. I was once a real star. I'm a real star. Right. I was trying to find some sort of like segue link into whatever this was going to be, but I couldn't. So, good. Good. There are 26 F-1 drivers in history.

Never alone. Who have only. ever won a championship or championships with one engine supplier. Can you name them? Oh. So they might have won multiple championships, but they might have also only won one championship. But even with their multiple championships,

they only ever had one engine behind them. They want to go first. Oh, wow. Ben could go first. Ben. I think I lose anyway. Max for staff. let me just

let me just check my list I feel like based on him only winning one championship I should be alright here but it's two mate he's one two yeah Max Verstappen is right

oh yeah I didn't even think about that yeah I just go upsets some people well this season's not over yet Charleclair still in the fight Charleclair is still in the fight don't worry guys um yeah

Matt's Sorry, I've got the number wrong. It's actually 27. But my staff and it's correct. Good. Good. It's a good first starter. Anyway, Sam, next.

Nick Kurt Rosberg. Correct. Cheers, mate. Ben. Lewis Hamilton. Correct. Go more so far. All right.

in it. Jackson Button. Also correct. Yeah. It's got the tension that you build there. I love that. Sebi Vett. Yes.

Sebi Vett is right. Did you pause out of tension or did you pause out of uncertainty? I was just trying to find him on my list. I was trying to find something funny to say, but it's fine. It's my first time. Let me be. Yeah. You did a really good job.

Cheers, mate. Sam. Kimmy Rykingen. Just Rykenen. Yep. Kimi Rykenen with Ferrari. Riking and them leaves. Oh, God.

Yeah, sorry, I should be naming which the engine supplies are as well. Kimmy Rykenen on this championship with Ferrari. If you do, no. Your favourite, Jacques Villeneuve. Yeah, I almost vomited when I wrote this down. I was about to say, did you actually write his name, That's impressive. The devil.

I'm not sure I spelt it right, but I'll write something down. Yeah, with Renner. Sam. Mika Hakenen. Yes. Mika Haken. Where are you on my list, Mika? There you are.

Right. Mesaubes, yes. I got him. Ladies and gentlemen, we got him. We got him. Ben. Uh, oh, well, I mean, segue from the last topic, I guess. The Fons.

The Fons. The Fons. With Renault. Rano. Rano. Ramall. Um, Sam. Big Damon Hill. Big Taman.

There's no one ever gilded in before. Big Dill. Correct. Renaud. Ben. Over to you. Sorry. I feel a bit sick

I might need a doctor Do you know a doctor? Yeah Does anyone know a doctor Nigel Mansell? You're an idiot Yep, it's correct Renno again

Lola Renno at a moment I don't know We made that joke a long time ago now Well it wasn't even a joke It was me being wrong In one of these bloody quizzes Yeah, it was a joke Yeah, right, wink-wink-winkle, audience

Can you see that? Visual memes? Oh, verbal me. No. Hashtown verbal memes. A name of your own spin-off. Shock. Oh, said his son, so we'll say his dad.

Kiki Rosberg. Kiki? Kaki. No, I like Kiki. Kiki Rosberg. Come and Kiki with me. Oh, God, we're going to get into Shibu again. Yes.

Correct. Cheeky Rosberg or Keke is his own. Ford Cosworth. Oh, another cosy. Ben, back to you. Alan Jones. Correct. Also, Ford Cosworth. Go on, Ford.

Go on, Ford. Go off. Um, um, John Surtees. John Sertes. Yes. Similar to Kimi Reichenen. A Ferrari engine. Ben.

Jody Schechter. Jody Schechter. Also Ferrari engine. How many have we got left here? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven. Twelve to go. You're over halfway. Pricke, mate.

Mario Andretti. Mario Andretti Ford Cotsworth again Come on the Cozies There's a lot of Fourskworths in this In that time I think the slang word Cozy is a very British term

Harry Yeah very true actually By the way Because if you were unaware It means bathing So you put your cosy on for a swim sure Ben

yeah I will go for James Unt when men were men yeah James Unt Ford Cozy again because obviously

I thought in my face all about the Cozzies um yoke and Yes Don't get coughing privileges because you're hosting Cozzie Another four cosy

Yon Benjamin Mike Hawthorne Mike Hawthorne Not a cosy A Ferrari Sorry I'll put that street Yeah

Yeah boo All right done Samuel Speaking of Ferrari Alberto Oskari That rhymes Ames, sort of Yep, correct

Alberto Oskari Ferrari Ferrari Ferrena Yeah, Giuseppe Ferreina The most Italian name in the world Alpha Romeo The only Alpha Romeo to win

The only thing more Italian about him Is that he went by the name of Nino Nino Like an ambulance Nina, Neeno. I am Nino. Oh, God.

Like a totally young ambulance. Niño, Nino. That's awful. Oh, dear. If I say a game with Ruggie Ave, do I lose? Yes.

I can't remember all the ones who've said. There are 403 answers. Do you want me to read out the ones that have been said? No, good Lord of be here until next week. Yeah.

Right, have we said to Alan Jones? Yes. Yeah. Have we said Phil Hill? No. Yeah! Because it's not correct, no, it is correct. Phil Hill.

Ferrari. Absolutely dashed my dreams. Ben. Denny Holm, we haven't had them, have we? We have not had them? I can't say I've heard of this engine. A repco? Yeah.

Not, Yeah, Repco. Just Repco. Not a Repco. But I'm saying a repco, but anyway, Sam. Brilliant. I'm really low on answers now. Being about you.

I'm down to dodgy ones. Yeah, exactly. There's only four left. Only four left, I think. Emmo, Fitipaldi Emmo is one of the four Yes, correct And we're back on the Cozies

Hey, get your Cozy on! Can you do any more Cozies? Oh, maybe We're going for a swim Benjamin Yeah, I probably was going to go Fittipaldi to be honest I'll go Clark

Yes Jimmy boy My next guess Right, there are two left this is very impressive I am really really stumped now um

Jack Brabham which I think is incorrect but I'm wrang out of answers Jack Brabham I'm just trying to check my list of folks can't read his name I'm going to say

I'm going to say incorrect oh well we got down to two we got down to two Ben have you got the last two there's one really really flipping obvious they're both flipping obvious but one's really obvious yeah i i probably would have gone back to i've center and center yeah that well-known a well-known folk um i i honestly don't know about the other one i probably would have i probably would have punted at um in fairness if i had one to go

I probably would have gone for Brabham, but knowing obviously that's wrong, I'm P-K. No. So Jackie Stewart, guys. Oh! I thought seeing his cosy. He was a, well,

according to the website, I got these answers from. I always assumed. Because I know 71 and 73 he raced for Tyrell with Fort Cosworth, but in 69 he raced for Matra, but I forgot that it was a weird one because he raced for a French constructor,

but with like the Tyrol is the English entry. It was confusing but yeah. A French team without and yeah. Well done Harry on your debut quiz.

Very good. I'll be back in another 233 episodes of time. 2025. Literally it would be about then. 2025. Yeah. See you then, folks. This has been

from back and forth. Put it back in the cupboard. Yeah, bye-bye. Gag him again. Sam won't send me for a bag of chips. Oh. It's all going to somewhere. Yeah, never mind.

Dumb-dum-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d. Play fine the first. Back and forth, it's F-1. Back-and-forth. It goes backwards. Back-wise. And then goes forth. It's F-1. F-1.

Back-forth. F-1. ever. I really hope the soundboard doesn't... Come back, soundboard. Most important part of the podcast, though, as important as Harry's debut hosting was, it's not as important as this.

We put out our usual question of the week, and it is as normal as usual. If we were kidnapped, if we were kidnapped... No, no, no, no, we're going to see the jingle, Ben. Go on. LB podcast question of the week. Great.

If we were kidnapped, what strange thing would each of us tweet to alert you they're in trouble without raising suspicions? Let's be, before we pick out a few on this, there were a lot of duplicate answers, which is somewhat worrying, and it's difficult to say everyone who put these answers,

but essentially revolved around. I would say something about loving the FIA Ferrari strategy or sprint races, makes sense. Harry would be not sitting on a fence or hating on Alonzo, and Sam would be saying something bad about as the pizza. That was kind of the gist of 80%. Yeah. Any that stood out, though?

Lucy brilliantly said that I would shout, put those sausages away. I like that. I don't know. That's a good point. Very, very true. One got a lot of praise. I can't remember.

Oh, Malmoocroft, great name, said that I would just say the word radish to which Harry replied. That's not unusual. That's the opposite of the requirement here. Am I offended? I don't know.

The sound between it to radish. I'd be like, sure. Fair enough. Of course it. It was not a raise any suspic. at all. No.

Jason, for some reason, saying I would say living the Viga Loca, Ben would say Ferrari was right, and Harry would say that Sam was absolutely correct, so that's unfair. Yeah, that would work.

Yeah, I mean, like you say, Ben, they're all along the same milk, but Craig said, Sam would get a 50-50 right, Ben would praise the spring racing format, and Harry would always make decisive choices. I'd call the cops instantly. That is probably it in a nutshell, isn't it?

Yeah, I mean, it's always good. fun. Thank you for joining in. Yeah. Someone said Lewis Hamilton is my

favorite driver. Come on on. I like one which said you would say Harry, please leave a four and a half

star review. Well, I wouldn't say that because what you should do, folks, is leave a five-star review.

From what I've heard, it can. They give you six-backs. Wow, really. Really?

someone just said that Ben was the kidnapper yeah that was interesting promise I didn't Joy said that we're too busy to hear a beef life update if we tweeted that that ain't right we're never too busy for one of them

hello oh hello Instagled said Ben would say bring back Nazaping Sam, say, keep your sausages away from Pete Gassley, and Harry says, leave a one-star review of a Bratwurst. The gammon is out of the oven. I repeat, the gammon is out of the oven.

And my ceiling is stopped leaking. There you go. Oh, we'd all shout a handbag. Brilliant. That's a good one to end on. Oh, I just... I'm just to say, Jack Villeneuve's World Driver's Championship

is worth more than all of Hamilton's put together. Of course, Harry would say that. He says that anyway. He says that all the time. I just realized I was about to read one out. It said Ben saying Ferrari had a solid strategy this week. Those guys are the bomb. No, you can't read that one.

No. Can't read that one because she's banned for 24 months. Yeah. No. I've 23 months now, isn't it? No, it was the motto. I think we're on to 22 months. To be fair, on that.

That's another two months. On that note, someone said Ben's partner, Laura, would just take over the podcast again and none of us would say anything. So thanks guys. Cheers. I'll break the news to her that she's banned for another two months if the two years start again, like fresh now. Yeah, stop getting involved.

Sick of it. It's fine. We'll keep this 22. It's so good. Who knows what question we'll put out next week. It's probably going to be ridiculous again. In fact, it definitely will be. but

stay too. We put it on Twitter, put it on Instagram, get involved. Should we go now? We are going to be back on Sunday, aren't we? Oh,

yes, we are, Sam. Please tell us more. We don't know what we're talking about yet, but we will be back for a podcast on Sunday.

Let's go race, obviously. If you want us to talk about something specific, tweet us or get involved on the Discord. Because we've legit on the description.

Yeah, we are actually a little bit stumped on topic. So there's something interesting or you want something to happen. that could be fun. Let us know,

and we will bring it to you. But there will be a podcast on Sunday. Obviously, it won't be race-related because the preview for Brazil will happen next Wednesday. Yay, Brazil. Woo!

Okay. Anyway, get in bold. Stay tuned. Harry, your woo thing sounded like Weng. Is it Vicks McMahon or, no, does the, whoo! Rick Flair.

Rick Flair. That's it. I'm going to wrestling. Woo! I'll see you later, Harry. Woo! That's what you're saying. That's been very going

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