The Late Braking F1 Podcast - Is Sargeant on the verge of being REPLACED?

Episode Date: May 8, 2024

The LB trio discuss the swirling rumours that Logan Sargeant is soon set to be replaced with Kimi Antonelli. They also go into whether Magnussen's tactics should be bannable offences, the Miami GP US viewing figures, and Hamilton's disgruntlement over not winning. They finish with a game of Higher or Lower... FOLLOW us on socials! You can find us on YouTube, Instagram, X (Twitter) and TikTok SUPPORT our Patreon for bonus episodes, historic race reviews & more! JOIN our Discord community JOIN our F1 Fantasy League: SIGN UP & create your team, and JOIN our league (join code: C3PHEQHPU04) BUY our Merch SEND us something! We have a brand new PO box - address: Late Braking Podcast, PO Box 821, TRURO TR1 9PE EMAIL us at [e-mail] & SUBSCRIBE to our podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to check out new episodes every Wednesday and every Sunday. Welcome to the Late Breaking F1 podcast presented by Harry Ead, Sam Sage and me, Ben Hocking. No race coming up this weekend, but we're back for another midweek episode. Sam, it is midweek as the pizza. No. I had a Thai cut.

for dinner. I actually know if it was Thai. Might be Malaysian. I'm not sure. I didn't cook it. It was very tasty. If you don't know, folks, I'm not on a diet.

I'm trying to be healthier. So, the Astka pizza at the moment, it's having a little holiday. I'm letting someone else in the shops pick it up and enjoy it. And I'm over here,

having a lot of broccoli and a lot of fruit. Goodness me. I mean, share prices in Azzda will be plummeting as we speak on that news. I know. There's a bag of whirlie bars in the cup,

but that'd been touched for two weeks. I mean, the people of ASDA, let us write in. If you listen to us and you work in ASTA, let us know, because A, that's excellent with the amount of references you make. But B, let us know if times are tough. Sorry, I'll come back, I promise. I'm still shopping at ASTA, just not for those things. Pizza sales down 80%.

Italian sobbing. What have we got to talk about that isn't pizza-related? F-1, higher or lower, makes an appearance later on today. A little bit on the Miami Grand. Monprie and it's very impressive TV audience number. Andrea Stella calling Kevin Magnuson's actions across the weekend unacceptable. But we're going to start with Williams, Logan, Sergeant and Andrea Kimmy Antonelli. So firstly, Mercedes has requested to the FIA that Andrea Kimmy Antonelli, their junior driver,

be permitted to drive an F1 before his 18th birthday in August. Naturally, this has sparked conversation on what the immediate future holds, particularly in relation to Logan Sargent's seat at Williams. James Vowles was asked about the possibility of a mid-season switch and had the following to say. I haven't spoken to Kimmy since Abu Dhabi last year. I know nothing about what's going on at Mercedes Test right now. We are looking as everyone else is for what we want on our driver lineup for next year. And of course we have our own young driver program.

In the case of Kimmy, I can't really adjudicate on the level he's at. In case of him coming into the car this year, I've always said from the beginning, it's a meritocracy. Logan has to earn his seat. At the moment, he has some tough targets where he has to get much closer to Alex, but there is nothing on the radar at the moment for replacing him.

Sam, do you think that Williams should and will stick with Logan Sargent for the rest of this season? Should and will? Yeah, two very interesting sides of a coin. Should they? Well, if you look at the results that the two drivers at Williams

have given so far across 2024, there are some stark differences. Logan Sargent has finished 20th, 14th, 17th, the 17th and 17th in the races, it's actually crossed the lining with an average finishing finishing position of 17th. Alex Albuhran is finishing 15th, 11th, 12th and 18th with an average finishing position of 13.4th, so 13th.

Again, in the race he has actually finished. So quite a stark difference there. But neither of those average positions really give away the point that maybe they could have scored points, have things gone their way. What I want to look at are those two 11th places and that 12th place from Alex Albuhran. album because of three occasions where realistically, one car DNF, someone has a failure or a crash

or something like that. And Alex Albaugh is primed and ready to be the next person to get points. So when points are very hard to come by for that Williams team so far, that's realistically where you've got to be put in the car. Logan Sargent's best result of our 14th place so far, not perfect with an average of 17th, shows me that he's really still quite far away from Alex Albon. Equally, Logan is driving a car much like Alex Albon that quite clearly is not points ready.

It's not scoring points on the long term. So if you're going to build up a driver's development, you're going to let a driver come into their own. Why not let them drive around in a car that isn't scoring points? And regardless of if they're at their best Grand Prix or at their worst Grand Prix, the points all is exactly the same. So I don't think Logan Sargent is immediately getting booting out.

I do not think that James Vowls is going to be kicking him off down the curb before we'll see you later. There's a lot of reports going around on social media that he is going to be kicked out a lot. There's got this silly video going around about a commentator who's saying that he slipped the reveal of Kimmy Antingley going to Williams already. It all feels like a lot of hullabaloo,

a lot of hot air at the moment around this young driver. And I have a lot of trusting James Fowles. All right, he doesn't make every decision perfectly. But I also don't think he's the kind of guy to publicly come out and lie. And then less than a week later, turn around and go, see you later, sunshine.

You're out of a drive. It doesn't feel like he's, no, it doesn't feel like the way that he does business. So I do feel like Sergeant that's got time on his side. You can hear how panicked he was when Magnuson took him out at the Miami. Grand Prix.

He was absolutely devastated. It was really quite upset to hear someone be that stressed and that panics about how, you know, he clearly knows that his career is on the line at the moment and it could swing a really bad direction for him, but I do think that he clearly has passion for the team. He clearly cares.

He clearly wants this to be successful. I don't think Vowis is kicking him out just yet. That does not mean that by the summer break, there might not be a mid-season swap. I don't think that's off the cars, but I would be shocked if James Vowis makes that swap before Imola, especially with his statements so far.

I think he's got a big of time with his hands. What do you think, Harry? Do they make a switch at some point soon, or do you think Sargent's given more time? I still think he's given to the end of the year. Because you're right, Mercedes, Williams, James Vals, etc. They don't operate on the same way

that other teams might do. Looking at your Red Bull. I just don't see it happening. The way James Vals has gone about managing that team and the way he's talked about Logan Sargent and batch Logan Sargent. so far, I just don't see him doing that to

him. For me as well, we don't know the results of that Mercedes test that Kimmy Antonelli had. We're told, is believed that it's been quite impressive. But what's the rush here? What's the rush in getting Kimmy Antonelli into that seat? Because

if he's that good, given the rest of this year, just to keep nurturing his talent, stick him in the Williams in 2025, and then he's ready. He'll have a year to be ready for 2026. I just don't see what the benefit is for

amidst it. What's the benefit for the team? What's the benefit for Antonelli if he's like good? So in that sense, I don't see it happening. The worrying thing for Logan Sargent is obviously some crashes he's had.

Not ideal. And obviously, Miami being an example of that. But I still think the worrying thing is his pace versus Albon. There are a couple occasions that's been better this year, but it's still on the whole,

not been, it's still not there. And as you said, Sam, when there's, in a season we've not had many retirements, let's be honest, Alex Albon's been on the fringes sort of most of the time,

fringes of the points most of the time. So if we had had a few more retirements or things have gone his way a bit more, Album probably has a couple of points. But like I said, sergeant's never been near. And, you know, the scrap he was having with Magnuson

before his crash was for what, 16th or something like that? So, yeah, that clearly is playing on his mind. And to be fair, to Sargent, and like you mentioned with his radio message, you can't fault his commitment. I think he is committed to trying to make this work. Qatar last year being an example where he really tried to carry on, even though he felt so well. So I applaud him on that, but at the moment it's just not working.

But there's still time. I do believe that Valz will keep Sergeant for the rest of the year. So maybe there's still time. But if Fantinelli is that impressive, then I think it's probably going to happen for 2025. but yeah, I don't really see the rush and getting him in for Imola I'm definitely not, but even midway through the season, I just don't see the point of it.

It's barely performing an F2, isn't he? It's six races. Yeah, give him a chance. Exactly. Precisely. He's not really settling F4 in 2022. Like, yeah. Yeah, fair.

Yeah, just keep, give him, we've seen it so many times with Red Bull where they've promoted younger drivers too early. I just don't see him, I don't see Val's doing that. Yeah, it doesn't. feel like his style. I think they stick with Logan Sargent for a while yet. As James Vowels says later in the same quote that I read out at the beginning, he has more important things to worry about. He has the car not being very good to worry about and his 2025 plans to worry about. As you say,

Sam, that Alex Album might be doing a better job than Logan Sargent, but at the moment they're at nil-0 and that's because the car isn't where it needs to be. Until they get that sorted, it doesn't matter who's in the second seat. And if James Vowse may be using hyperbole here, but James Vowse has said that Alex Albin is currently delivering championship level performances in that Williams, but it's going completely unnoticed based on how bad that car is. That, in my opinion, is a bit of an exaggeration.

But equally, there is a point in there, which is that Alex Albin in previous years might have been doing enough to score points, and this season he isn't. I know I've made this point a couple of times when it comes to Logan Sargent, because I was very upfront. I wouldn't have kept him for this year. But Williams decided to, and that's fair enough.

But if you're going to keep him for this year, why on earth would you get rid of him after six races? It doesn't make any sense. Like surely, based on where Logan Sargent right now is, I don't think too many people would disagree with this, Logan Sargent is the worst driver in F1. But he was also the worst driver in F1 at the end of last season. And surely, if you're Williams, you weren't expecting him to go from worst driver in the sport at the end of last year to being the 10th best driver after 6th Grand Prix

this year? What were you expecting some massive turnaround in just a few races? I feel like the only reason you hire him this year is based on the potential you think he has. So you give him time to either live up to that potential or not live up to that potential, in which case, I think they do keep him for the rest of this year. But they really do need to get their 2025 line up, that's the most important thing because I was thinking about this earlier and this is tragic from Williams. It's completely unacceptable. The last good Williams lineup was 2016 in my opinion. That is going back a long time. Since 2017, which what are we talking, that's eight, this is the eighth season since then. There has either been Blanche Stroll, Robert Kubitser, Nicholas Latifie or Logan Sargent in one of their two cars.

And no disrespect to Robert Kibitsa, obviously was far better before his injury. But those four drivers to occupy at least one of their seats across like eight years. I mean, the last time Williams had a good lineup, Lewis Hamilton had three world championship. Max Vastappen was a one-time race winner. It's been a long, long time since Williams have had a good lineup. They really need to sort it for 2025. Yeah, maybe they can bring back one of those individuals right. Maybe Valtry boss is the man going forward.

Who knows? Come on, Valtry, may be right. Go on, Bono. Getting a seat. Speaking of those 20-25 predictions that we made, we all had slightly different predictions on what Andrea Kimi Antonelli would be up to next year. Harry is going first straight into Mercedes.

Sam's going into Williams, and I'm saying a second year in F2, if we are looking at Williams as a possibility, what do you think Mercedes are up to right now with this application to the FIA, Sam? Do you think they're just putting Antonelli in a position to be there if situations, change? Oh yeah, get the groundwork done. Lay the groundwork. Hey, if that road doesn't lead to anything,

if it's a dead end, at least you made all the groundwork that you could do to make something happen. And that's something that Mercedes haven't done properly for a while with their organisation, with their car, the way they've handled their driver relationships. I saw a bloody rumour going around earlier that George Russell, who was on the same type of deal as Lewis Hamilton could be off out the door. hilarious. And it's just a rumor, folks. So, you know, keep your hats on. Where are you going, George? Well, I don't know. Where, mate. Off for a roast at Kingsling or something. Back to Williams.

I've had enough of this. I'm in the Land Rover. Yeah, I saw someone say that I'll be of a stab against a Shelley line up. Honestly, Formula One Twitter is F-1X. It's mad. Grow up. Grow up.

But, but Mercedes are doing the right thing. They're sowing the seeds and they've got their drivers in their mindsets. They are trying to think about how they can prioritize the people that they're managing, that they're in charge of, and very much like with George Russell. It worked with George Russell, right?

He was there for three seasons. He got all the development that he needs. did and he came to Mercedes and he did brilliantly in his first year. He had a really, really good year on his first time near the top. So they know it's a formula that works for them. So get everything ready and prepared because if the door opens, you know, Antingale needs to be ready to walk through that door. One thing that is concerning me and really frustrating me about this is why should Antingelli be given any kind of special circumstance? Why should he be made an exception? Because when you've got people like Colton Herta, who is racing around an indie car and, okay, the sport doesn't

generate enough super license points, but he's very successful over there in a major, you know, major league racing series. And he's not allowed to get an exception to come a racing Formula One. Why should this child be allowed to come in instead? Well, it's not even done half a year and F2. So that annoyed me that there was such a presumption, such expectation that, you know what, paperwork will be done. It'll be in that seat by mid-season.

Everything goes our way. That dig frustrate me from the FIA. Yeah, I am going to put out a rule, which is any driver born after 2005 is ban from F1 and not just now, but forever, because I don't want to feel old. So, but yeah, I'm making that happen. No one left. There'll be Fernando Alonzo, Lewis Hamilton, and Kimmy Ryker than making a comeback. It will just be the oldest man forever.

Yeah, yeah, that's how it will be. Harry, you laid out a potential route where Antonelli would be in the William seat for one year ready for Mercedes in 2026. But we also know that James Vowse has been quite vocal about getting a driver in for multi-years 2025 and 26. So whilst that approach would benefit Antonelli, do you think it would benefit

Williams, would they want to go down that path? Tricky, because I think it would be an improvement for them, even if it's not a long-term improvement. But I don't know, I don't know whether they're in the position to be that picky about it, to be honest. If Antonelli's offered to them or chosen for them for a couple of years,

I'm not sure they, they would, A, I don't think they would say no if he's that good. But B, I don't think they're in a position to say no. So, yeah, I mean, they could go, like you say, go down a Botas route. But how many more years does that give them with Bottas versus an Antenny? For example, you know, I'm not saying Bottas is close to retirement, but he's been around for a little while now. Was it given three, four years maybe before he thinks about it?

And his form up and down. In Miami somewhere, not? He's lost it again. He's still looking. Yeah, I don't. don't know. I don't feel like, feel like they, they can't really afford to be that picky about who's driving the car, even if it means that they lose that driver in a couple of years time. But if they get a couple of years, especially when we get 2026 and that's, you know,

James Valsy's target. If they're getting for a couple of years here, that's, they're in the pound seat because that could be a tasty, tasty little lineup if he's as good as he's cracked up to be him and Albon. So yeah, I don't, not sure they should turn their nose, noses up at it. Yeah, I think it's one they should explore. I don't think that he should be driving for Williams this season. I think it would be detrimental to, as you've already said, detrimental to his development. I don't think there's any benefit to that.

And to your point, Sam, the FIA should absolutely not give him the right to drive an F1 car before his birthday in August, his 18th birthday, because it's one of the very few black and white rules in this sport. Under 18? No. Over 18? okay. It's just as simple as that. There is no reason to bend the rules in this instance. If they bend the rule in this instance, there's no reason why they shouldn't bend it every

single time that someone asks. So it should be very clear that it's no on that. But I don't think, like I said, I don't think it would be beneficial for him anyway. He has only raced in six Formula 2 races at this point. He didn't do traditional Formula 3. He was racing F4 two seasons ago. guys 17 years old, let it happen, give it time, it will happen, but we don't want to rush him into it.

But yeah, I understand, I know when I post a question to you, Harry, it's a massive dilemma because if you're Williams, do you want to take him on? Because Williams have been insistent

that they want to, they don't want to be a Mercedes customer team. They want to go their own way. They want to build themselves back up to where they once were. And I feel like you can only do that if you relish and embrace the independence. And if you know you're loaning a driver in the same way that George Russell was in there a couple of years ago, are you moving forward, even if that driver is a special talent?

It is a tough one. What are your thoughts on that, Sam? The only way this works for Williams is discounts, discounts, discounts. If they can get major money off their engine suppliers and they can reinvest that elsewhere in their development for the car, fine, that at least makes sense because the big issue, as we've already discussed here, is the car. not the lineup. The lineup could be Nickas Latifi and put sergeant in the other car

for all I care because if the car is never capable of scoring points, so what does it matter? If you're 19th and 20th or if you have 13th to 14th every single Grand Prix, if you are categorically never going to score points because the car's too slow, it doesn't matter who you have in the car. So if they can get a heap load of discounts off from Mercedes for

parts, sure, if that means that they could take big steps forward in the next couple of years, that makes sense. That's logical to me. If they cannot, if the cancer minor, why bother taking Antingelli? How does that help Williams more than a season or so? Yeah, it's nice. Albon and Antonelli. Very potent young driver lineup. But it's not Williams. It's not their identity. It can be taking off them whenever they want. They get no control over their destiny. And that's the point of James Vowers. That's the point that how they're fry there.

That's the point of these new owners that they've got. They're becoming their own Formula One team again. And they are a customer team. I wouldn't be surprised if we hear of Williams looking for an engine supply in the next few years to try and become completely independent again in Formula One. So for me, I would go and take a punt on a slightly older head in Formula One. I think Bossas is a fair shout. I think there's a few other names floating around that might work get out of tricky situations and build something around themselves alongside the lights of Alex album. So for me, unless they get a money off, it's not worth it.

And we're focusing on Williams here, but we know the actual thing that all happen is that Lewis Hamilton's going to get a six-month break and he's going to go. straight into the Mercedes this season? Imagine if that actually happened. Breaking news as we record this. Sure. No, it won't it happen the moment Kerski hits upload. As is always the case.

Let's take our first break on this episode. On the other side, we're going to be talking Kevin Magnuson. Okay, everyone, welcome back. Andrea Stella, team principal at McLaren, has called Kevin Magnuson's tactics during the Miami Grand Prix sprint as unacceptable after he accumulated 35 seconds worth of penalties. He had the following to say, we have a case of behaviour being intentional in terms of damaging another competitor, and this behaviour is perpetuated within the same race and repeated over

the same season. It is completely unacceptable. It makes no sense from a sportsmanship point of view, and this should be addressed immediately. Landon Norris and Oscar Piastri also weighed in. Norris suggesting that drivers would rather a system where they seed positions rather than take time penalties, and Piastri agreed that in blatant situations, this sort of penalty, would be an effective deterrent as drivers.

would much rather lose one position than take a drive-through penalty. The stewards, of course, cleared Magnuson of unsportsman-like behaviour, but did say that the FIA should toughen up the rules. Sam, should any action be taken? And if so, what? I think retrospective action, no. I think what should be done is an example, we should draw a line in the sand,

and they should toughen up the rules, as was stated by the skewers quoting it to the FIA. And I do think that a difference in penalty needs. could be applied when it gets to this point because these five second or ten second second penalties only ever do so much and they're being slapped on for every whatever you know oh I'll flick your Nang Zelobe five second penalty oh I've kicked a child in the park

five second penalty right they are I did that before the podcast and you know I'm still here both of them yeah wasn't even late Terry Nang I'm sorry simultaneous um so anyway my point is they need to have a bit more of a time first range of penalties available to them.

And drivers essentially need to be scared for the consequences of their actions. You look at the fact that, you know, Piazcri drove Carlos Sines, clean off the road. It was noted. No action further neither. I despise this kind of driving now where you can run drivers to clean off the road and you're somehow in favour because your nose is slightly ahead. And Kevin Magnuson, I do think it was a bit unsportsman-like.

I'm surprised that he got ruled as sportsman-like behaviour. was trying to put his car literally everywhere, you know, inside and outside the trap perimeters to do what you can to cause disruption. But give him a drive-through, you know, that way he's at the back of the field immediately. Or tell him that if he doesn't see the position to Hamilton within three laps, drive-through penalty, or disqualified from the Grand Prix. I know it's extreme, but you need to start putting your foot down that these drivers only behave in the way we want them to behave.

It was borgering on dangerous. These cars are worth a lot of money at forefront. people's lives now that sounds pretty a little bit dramatic for Miami because at no point was anyone's life at risk but there could be a grower in the future where someone's life is at risk because someone has gone Kevin Magnus said you got a 10 second penalty for it this this season so I'm going to draw I'm going to cut the corner at full speed to stay in front of them what if you lose control what if you're driving to someone the wrong way and it goes wrong is it's just too much open for interpretation and I do think that there is a risk that this goes too

far so yeah I want I want penalties to be resolved and I'm not just talking about the ones that Kevin Mangerson said, we need a full overview on penalties, a full rewrite. Drivers should be afraid to break the rules. And that's the point of rules. You shouldn't want to break them because you know you can get away with it. So I totally understand what Stella's saying. I totally get what Oscar Piazcrii and Norris are saying as well. I do think something these can be adjusted.

So if an appreciating the point on, you don't want to retrospectively apply, you know, different penalties or whatever. But let's just copy and paste that exact scenario from Miami to Imala. If you were in a position of power, which is a great idea, by the way. I agree with me. How do you approach it? Like which of those, because you named a couple of different things that could be the answer. But what do you think if you were in control?

What would be the answer? Yeah. So obviously, in this scenario, there's been an announcement to say there's a new rule set. So there's no moaning back and forth. It was differently in Miami for everyone that was succumbing. First call is you see the position. You get out, you know, within two laps, see the position. If you don't, right, drive-through penalties applied.

you've got two lups to take the drive-through penalty. If you don't, you get qualified. It's a three-step process, and I think you've got enough time to make a decision as a driver to get out the way and do the right thing. If you've really taken the Mickey, like Manxas and kind of did.

I mean, it was funny. I enjoyed watching it, but he took the Mickey. What do you think, Harry, do you think the FIA stewards should be having a look at this? Yeah, yes, they should be looking at this. But as you mentioned already, Sam, I think there are so many inconsistencies now around, around the rules

the rules of racing that it's just it's just a mess and I feel like they need to start almost start over because again I don't agree with what Magnuson all of what Magnuson did

in Miami but I was thinking about this the example where Hamilton came up the inside of him and then Kaymag sort of we were watching from on board Hamilton and Cammack sort of comes from off the road back on and they have a little

you know a bump up and a barge to me, that's no different to what Piastri does to signs because he just dives him and they have a little bump on a barge and the signs is off the track. I don't see the difference there. And maybe this is obviously all purely subjective so people don't tweet me. But yeah, it's the variety of penalties.

And I'm probably full on the side of favour of harder racing versus some people. And I fully admit that what Magnusson is doing in Miami was too much and even even the man himself a bit that it was too much. So that's that speaks for itself but yeah it's it's

where do you draw the line? I like the idea of you know having a rule where it's well give that that was too much mate give the place back first and if they don't then bang slap them with a penalty but yeah if it's an obvious penalty then obviously give them a penalty but give

the option for them to repent for their sins first and then if they decide, oh, no, what, it's not worth it, or they're in a position where they can't get the place back because they're too far out of the road, then whatever, slap them with a penalty. But I don't want, the thing is I don't want to, I don't want to reward unsports from like behaviour, but also at the same time, I don't want to prevent good, good hard racing.

And there are, you know, examples out there of drivers that have done it. Ocorn and Alonzo. I can't believe they're the example from Miami that did it fair. Yeah. of all the people. But there are drivers that can do and have to be run off the road

and that's the sort of racing we want and yeah, I just feel like we've gotten to a bit of a pickle. I saw also want to make this point on

on Twitter or X if you want to call it that. Obviously this, what was called the Max Verstappan rule ever since, is it Austria,

2019 when he took the win from LeClau on the last couple of laps? It's been a slippery, slippery slope from there and in. And we're at this point now where you can, yeah,

you can do one thing that is, seems to me, seems as bad as another thing, but you get two very different outcomes in terms of penalty. So, yeah, it's messy. It needs a re-look. And you're right. And it can't be done retrospectively.

Obviously, that's just ridiculous. But they're now in a very difficult place where if they do bring in some new rules or wipe the slate clean, inevitably, there'll be a lot of commentary about what was allowed before and what wasn't. And we're just in this very messy position now. And it's FIA, it's your own fault. yeah well the fia constantly forget that they are the governing body and they're the ones

controlling things and the teams and drivers and they should probably remember that they all keep leaving that's the problem well that's a very good point in its own right um yeah they could do with they're like alpine in that regard can't keep anyone around um i was just going to mention actually quick one on consistencies and the like with the fia you know in our review we were mentioning how last season everything gets a five second penalty and this season everything gets 10 penalty, which was true at the time of us saying that, they just randomly gave signs the five second penalty for the Piastri collision. I feel like that's the first five second penalty that's been given this year.

Like, where did that come from? And what's the difference? Why? I don't know. How is that five, but Alonzo versus Signs was 10? Like, I don't quite understand. I'd love, they should, I know it's hard to do, but even if it's after the race for social media provide some like commentary

how they're coming to these decisions. Like you do it like you're having rugby and football BAR. Yeah, yeah. And it's again, you can't do it mid-race because it'd be ridiculous and boring. But even for afterwards, it would just be interesting to know. The text banner at the top, you know, X penalty's been given because

of X reason. You know, just a one-liner. Find more on social media. Yeah, just some reasoning behind it. Because like you say, what, where's a consistency? There isn't any. Yeah, similar to what you've both said already. I mean, this is the issue that comes with time penalties in that they're very rarely actually barely given out. There's just no way to do it because you're not serving them straight away.

And in some instances, five second penalties can be massively hurtful. I'm thinking Carlos Hines, Australia, safety car restart, gets it on the last lap. And of course, he's going to drop behind like 10 other drivers. and other instances where drivers will happily take them knowing that they can get ahead because they've got ahead and they'll take the five second penalty and they know they're going to pull out that gap with ease. So there isn't any consistency at all.

I said it on the review and I haven't changed my mind on this. Kevin Magnerson, based on the current rules, would have been stupid not to do what he did. He guaranteed the team got two points. Now, he was going to get zero points anyway after the first 10 second penalty that he got. it was pretty much a 99% guarantee the Magnuson was not going to score points when he had that first 10 second penalty, in which case the other 25 seconds that he got is not a penalty.

It's worth nothing to him. In terms of a potential solution, like you've already said, there are a few that could be used. Giving positions back is tough because it's the one I like the most just as a concept. I think there are difficulties in that, you know, where, does something that you do only impact one driver behind you? When does it impact multiple drivers? So, for example, we had at Miami quite a few instances where a mistake from a driver would lead to two drivers getting by in quick succession. If a driver has skipped over a chicane, is it just the driver behind that has been, you know, they've kept the position ahead of the driver behind? Is it actually two drivers behind? That's difficult to tell. And obviously, there are certain situations where you cannot give back.

one position because something has happened behind and actually you then have to give back two positions. Now you might just say, huh, tough. Sometimes that will happen. But equally, they've been penalised more than what should have been the case, which is kind of where we're out with time penalties. I would love a system, and I know I joked about this previously, I would love a system where we could, if it was safe, have some sort of slow down penalty. So you are actually taking a five second time penalty on track within a couple of laps by slowing down by a certain amount and hitting a delta similar to what you've got with a VSE, only if it's safe. If there's not a safe way to pull that off, I don't think that should be the case, but

I don't mind that as a solution. And even without ceding positions, even within the current guise of time penalties, if we were sticking with that, I would have it, third penalty you get, regardless of what that infraction is, that's a drive-through penalty. So, you know, the first penalty could be a five-second penalty,

second penalty, second penalty. Third penalty might, in ordinary circumstances, also be a five-second penalty, but because it's your third caution, you get a drive-through penalty at that point, which might be partially a solution if they did want to stick with time penalties. Imagine in a fantasy world,

if like Rally Cross we had what was a Joker lap set up but it wasn't like a Joker lap it was just like a little lane that you had to drive through it wasn't the pit lane you got at full racing speed but it kind of took off

about five seconds so you took an old turn at route round a corner to essentially add it on that way you're getting your slowdown penalty like you said Ben without actually having to one go through the pit lane or being on the track to slow itself down

you just take a kind of a longer route around one corner I think that could work but it'll be almost impossible to implement too much on that in Monaco drive through the boats, please. That's your slowdown.

I think at some tracks you can make it happen. Like Monza, I think you can make it happen quite easily. But like you say, you have to work to the lowest common denominator, right? And that would be Monaco or certainly a track similar to that. Imagine it. Go around the blind corners of Jeddah. I reckon you should do it there. But you're right.

There's lots of tracks as well. Barang has got so many layouts, for example. as is, you know, Paul Ricard was on the, on the calendar, you could set another laying up that had cones all around. It would take knockover immediately anyway. That would be kind of this extended track for a penalty. But yeah, there's loads of options. Just to get out, FIA, a bit of consistency.

Yeah, that's the thing. You've got like six different solutions. And it kind of, to an extent, doesn't matter which one you pick. Just apply it consistently. That's the number one thing we're asking here. In terms of Kevin Magnerson himself, Harry, do you think that his behaviour across Miami, of course, two points away from getting a race ban.

Does this in any way jeopardise his position next year? Of course, he's not, he's without a contract at the moment. Potentially, I mean, if he keeps doing it, then the Hassel going to turn around and be like, no, stop it, mate. His argument will be he was doing it for the good of the team and in that sense he did, because Holcomb scored points in the sprint. But I'm not sure he can use that as an excuse for anything. I was doing it for the good.

this man for the good of the team. I don't think that will fly. So, yeah, he can't carry on with that, that attitude. And hopefully they have had a word with him and said, look, K-Mag, mate, you don't have to fall on your sword quite so much or quite so violently. Come out so he's brutal. Yeah, he's telling, you do that more often. Yeah, I want more.

Maybe they'll be more about the way. No, probably won't. But, yeah, I don't, I don't think you're massively, they know what they're getting in the form of Kevin Banks and, like, he's always been a tired. person to overtake. Obviously, this was perhaps... Shouldn't be shocked at this point, right? Yeah, exactly.

He's got form. But obviously, I think this was more shocking because it was perhaps more blatant. And also, there were repeat offenses within what was a 19-lap sprint race. So it's probably why it seems a bit more shocking. But, yeah, I don't think it affects him too much. They know what they're getting with KMAG.

Sam, do you think it impacts anything? If he only ever does it when there's a chance that Holkenberg could get points. You know, he's gotten away with it twice now, essentially. If he only ever does it when Holgerberg is an 11th or whatever, every time he goes, if I didn't do it, Holgerberg might have got close to those points. If he could get out of the car every single time and say that,

then what can Hars really say? Yep, you didn't score points, but you were the reason why Holgerberg did score points. Like, you know, it goes in their favour. And I think as long as he does that at the right moments, he'll get away with it. But if he starts doing it on the regular, just because he's a bit of a paying,

one's backside and just likes driving off the track, then no, at that point he becomes a bit of a liability. And if he starts causing damage to the car regularly, the team like Haast do not have a massive extensive budget for continued repairs, that then becomes a real issue. So I don't think he's at risk at the moment. I think the fact that Holgerberg's leaving and they haven't really got clear lineups sorting out for next year, he's all right, but I do think he needs to walk that line carefully. And in many respects, I mean, he can't really do it again. I mean, he can, but he will get a race ban if he does this again. He is, he might be two points away, but as we know, two points is essentially one incident. And Magnuson had about 12 at Miami. So if he does it again, he will just

sit out a race, which, you know, the team can turn around and say, look, we appreciate what you're doing for Nick Holcomberg, what you're doing for the team. It is greatly appreciated. But also, if you have to sit out a race and we have to go with a reserve driver like Olly Berman, who, despite being very good at this point in his career, mine or be in as good of a position to pick up points if they're available compared to Kevin Magnuson, then you might have just lost more than what we've gained through your tactics in the first place.

So in some respects, I guess it will police itself because he can't get away with it again without taking a race ban. We don't see enough race bangs. I like a good race bang. It mixes things up. Roman Grosjean. Romang Grosjon.

Yeah, I'm sure he does. I mean, that was the last one. right? I mean, 2012, that was a while ago now. It's been a while. But there's a few that are starting to creep up already this year. Indeed, indeed there are. Magnuson and Alonzo going on a one-week holiday together at some point. Magnuson is definitely getting a race bag. I'm sorry. He's got literally 12 months. He's definitely getting a bang.

Do we know when the first of those points comes off? 25th of March. So he was on zero points before then? Yes. God damn, Kevin. Oh no, no, no, no. My guy is getting a ban. Good luck, Kevin.

He's just going to be staying away like three meters away from all cars for the rest of the year. It's just COVID restrictions reenacted. Stay back! He's got his mask on in the car. Not touching you, mate. Should we have a quick F1 fantasy update

before we go to our second break? Oh, I'd love one, Ben. I'm not surprised by your optimism, Sam, because you are leading the way, at least in terms of our little group, 290 seconds. So well done to you. Thanks. I changed my entire team and basically didn't change anything in terms of the leaderboard.

Basically where I was last time. 441st. Kirsty is currently 604th. And as the famous Aristotle, I believe, one said, it's all about seven places forward, 74 positions back. That's Harry Ead's philosophy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hang up, 1,244th. Yeah, yeah. You really have, like, 1,300 teams. Yeah. Love, it's, it's been a tricky start to the season. Some of those people weren't here at the start, and they're in front of you. Yeah.

Yeah, that's not good either. I'll be real, I used the chip, I changed my team, I thought that meant my team was changed, and changed back to my old team, didn't realize that was a thing. Bigot read the rules. Okay.

It's done me, done me down. I want to clarify what you've done here. Please don't me. used the wrong chip. You've used the unlimited one-off transfers. Yeah. The mega spend. You can buy whoever you want for one race.

You didn't mega spend. You just put a normal team in. Yeah, I thought it was just changing. I thought it was just changing my team. So you could have had the top five drivers and cars. And you just went, yeah, normal team for one race. I think that might be worse. I'll try again next year.

Good. Imala, guaranteed. You'll be up seven positions again. minus 74 the next week. You deserve it, mate. I have to give a shout out as well to the current top three. So still in the lead, sweet papyrs on 1,731. Doing very well indeed.

Second place, Papa Toto's pumpernickel. Oh, yeah. And Team Austrian Anthem is in third, 1,643. So well done to you three, doing far better than any of us. Could see Austria in two and three there. Indeed, yeah. Um, good job, Austria. Well done. We're proud of you. We're going to take our final break. On the other side, we're going to be talking about Miami's TV figures.

I'm in Miami. Girl. Girl. Nice. Okay, welcome back. Um, this weekend's Miami Grand Prix set an F1 live viewership record in the USA. So ESPN are reporting an average of 3.1 million viewers tuning in to the race. This represents a 48% increase on the 2023 Grand Prix and beats the record the 2022 race set when it pulled in an average of 2.6 million. Good news, Sam? I mean, yeah, it is good news. I think a lot of people will come out and say,

oh, it's because we had a different winner for the first time since Australia and only the third different winner. But obviously... You don't know that when you're tuning in. Exactly. You don't know where you're tuning in. So unless most of America, well, 3 million people are Mystic Meg

and they're aware there's going to be some... kind of revelation taking place. This shows that Miami, weirdly, just has quite an allure to it, quite a pull to it. Now, considering that you're comparing it to Cota, which has been around a while, and if you didn't know, we'd been, we went to Cota last year.

We had a really, really good time. But it's interesting that that can't match Miami. And, of course, we had Vegas, right? Vegas last year popped up. And you would have thought, if any spectacle was going to take this crown away from Miami, it would have been Vegas. And yet, no, here we are again,

with Miami leading the way. was quite surprised. I was surprising way that Miami held the record. I'm surprised now that Miami holds an even bigger record. So I don't know, maybe it's the glitz and the glit. Maybe Miami just had an appeal to it that I don't know about in America. And Americans, there's a lot of you listening. Let us know. We were very high up the sports charts this week. So thanks for your support on that one. But something about Miami pulls you guys in. Ben, any thoughts? That's kind of our resident US expert. Why? Did Miami do that? well, few reasons.

First, I mean, taking away just this year and just Miami doing better in general, two main reasons. Number one, prime time in the US compared to Las Vegas, which isn't. So that definitely helps. Secondly, out of NFL season. So the Austin race happens all the time when you're in the middle of the NFL season. And that just takes, not just F1, that takes away from all other sports. So I think in that respect, it's less of a surprise. that Miami does well.

And in many respects, I think, I know there's basketball going on at the moment, but that's probably why in terms of US growth is maybe a little bit frustrating that a lot of the prime time US races do happen in sort of October, which like Mexico and Brazil, they do have to compete with the NFL, whereas they wouldn't at this point in the year. But we've just come out of like four races that are in the early morning for us here in UK. so in the middle of the night for many in the US. Do you think that these numbers are skewed then?

Do you think that whilst it's a great number to see, do you think actually we're seeing a bit of a yes, good, but there's a lot of extenuating circumstances? There's a couple of extenuating circumstances on this one. And it's difficult to know how much of an impact each one had. So I guess when it comes to ratings, you're looking at two things. You're looking at what competition is there at the same time

and also what's the lead-in to the programme. So there was quite a big basketball game directly before the Miami Grand Prix. It was a deciding game seven between Cleveland and Orlando, which admittedly, no offense to either of those two teams, aren't the biggest fan bases. But even so, that had a 4.3 million rating just before Miami Grand Prix. But even so, holding a good chunk of that into the race itself, it is good. The other one is competition.

Now, just like last year, Miami went up again. the Kansas race NASCAR, but it was rain delayed. So it was supposed to be that the NASCAR race started an hour before Miami, so obviously going straight through the Miami Grand Prix after that. But there was a three-hour rain delay. So actually the NASCAR race started about 30 minutes after the Miami Grand Prix finished. So a lot of people are talking about that as potentially a reason that there's a bit of a boost in numbers. What I would say to that, though, is if you think there's crossover between the two,

audiences, and that's why there was a boost in the F1 figures, you would also therefore say there should be a boost in the NASCAR figures, because people watching F1 could also watch NASCAR when they didn't think that would be an option. NASCAR's figures year on year didn't change. So actually, I think a lot of the growth this year was organic and wasn't related to NASCAR, but people are at least speculating that might be part of the reason. I don't think it's a massive part, though. Really interesting when the drive-to-surviv numbers, which have driven a large part of America's watching audience have dropped by like 24% down to 2.3 million that watched in the first three days. It shows that the overall excitement of entering the sport seems

to be waning and yet a track like Miami that is so poorly received by the general Formula One audience has picked up such a large audience in comparison to rival tracks such as Cota and Vegas. So really exciting. Hopefully it carries on in that trend. But you're right, Ben. It seems like there are some interesting areas around the race time itself that maybe Cota and Vegas themselves could look to learn from. We can even see a bigger audience flocking to those two tracks. What did you make of the viewing figure, Harry? And how important was it that that sort of a viewing figure got a new winner and an exciting race?

Yeah, I mean, that's fallen perfectly for Football 1. And we said it in the review, you know, F1 needed this sort of race. And for it to happen at Miami, I think it's for Steve Sunday, Stefano de Manicale, I think that's the perfect, perfect recipe. So, yeah, like you say, obviously there's some mitigating circumstances here, but on the face of it, how, you know, it's better than the last two years of Miami. And that can only be a good thing. And if you're pulling in people from the fringes that would normally be watching NFL at the time

or a basketball match, et cetera, this is what F1-1. Their main aim here is to make it big in America. Obviously, it's a global sport. They want to be big everywhere. But America's the market. it's never properly cracked. And for once or for the first time, it seems like they're starting to make some headway.

So yeah, it's definitely encouraging, like I say, it's maybe the first one that most people probably could watch live. The rest of them they were all asleep at the time. So that obviously has helped things. But that's the point of having three races in America, isn't it? For all those sort of things. Obviously, a lot of races, they can't watch at the right time, but races at Miami and Cota or whatever in Las Vegas,

that helps the American I mean, Las Vegas doesn't because it's a stupid time but Kota in Miami helps the American audience because they can watch it the right time. So yeah, it's an encouraging sign and yeah, very fortunate for Fon that they had such a bang of a race to go with it because that is the sort of thing that will,

if you say you are an NFL fan, never watched F1 before, you go, well, nothing, no NFL one, I'll stick on the F1. I can't support the Cowboys today. E-Hah! Sat-ihar. That was lame from all three of us. I can't support the Cowboys today. I'll watch the F-1 because it's on.

And then you get that and you go, well, that was excited. I'll watch that again. That's exactly what F-1 wants slash need. So yeah, it's cool. Good news all round. Yeah. And obviously we're at Imala. So back to European time zone for that race. But of course, Canada isn't too far away, which is more US-friendly. So it'll be interesting to see how those viewing figures stack up. admittedly, I'm not quite sure where it will be this, because ESPN hold the rights in the US,

but they change where it's distributed. So sometimes it's on their ABC channel. Sometimes it's on ESPN, sometimes it's on ESPN too. So based on where it sits, that does directly impact the biggest. That is terrible. That is so confusing for everyone, isn't it? Oh, I've heard of Formula One. I'll give it a watch.

Where is it? ESPN. Cool. I'm going to watch it on ESPN next weekend. No, I really enjoyed that. Watch it again. It's not on ESPN. where is it? ESPN 2 apparently.

American TV channels confuse me. So confusing. And there's more adverts than TV. Yeah. Honestly, when you guys watch IndyCar and we watch here on Sky,

you guys pop off from an advert break, we carry a watch in the racing. It's bizarre. Us and Tom Gamer. It's excellent. Tom Gamel. Love you. Tom Gable.

He's always slightly confused about what's going on. Oh, I'm back on now. All right. Okay. Okay. The other thing, just to mention before we move on as well, is that obviously the US has access to full F1 TV.

So I guess you've got the full ESPN figures here, but there will be some on top of that as well, thanks to F1 TV. That's unknown, though. Should you move on to Lewis Hamilton, who he had had a pretty good race at the weekend, didn't he? But he didn't win? And he said he's had enough of not winning.

Sam, what can he do about that? Oh, get goose scrub. Win. Should he be encouraged by the couple of new winners we've had this year? Or is it just a case that he needs to ride this out for the rest this year? I mean, yeah, be encouraged. But what's going to happen, mate? You know, miracles don't work constantly.

You know, that's why they're called miracles. Carlos Sons won when Max Stapegner at a DNF. And Landon Norris won because, yes, he had brilliant pace. But a safety car also played into his hand. So, yeah, we all agree that there might have been a chance for Norris to win if that safety car didn't come out. But it was far easier because the safety car. I was there. Lewis, mate, I know you want to win. You're a seven-time world champion and you've won

more than literally anyone else. So realistically, everyone else does deserve a go. But I get it. You're a competitive guy and you want to be successful, continually all the time. You're just going to have to wait, really, though, aren't you? Wait your turn. Get in line. And just, you know, when you get to the front of your queue, you can get into your Ferrari car and you never know. You are Freddie Vass might be cooking up a storm in 2025 and you might go on to win something. But honestly, this just feels like a moan for the sake of moaning. And I respect it. Hamilton loves a moan for the sake of moaning. He's the king of moaning. He loves a winge. You know, seven-time winge champion he is. Oh, that's going to rile on a lot of people, boy. Oh, boy. That's the real. He's incredible behind the

wheel of a Formula One car, but he does. Not that. Incredibly, incredibly wingy. What does he want from this coming? What, say he's make the car better. Doesn't affect me, though, because I'll be gone in six months. What does he want? is like, oh, we're supposed to win. I forgot. I thought we were fighting for nine. I don't understand what is aiming to gain from this coming. Lewis has had enough.

All right. Let's get a word. Take this. Take the sound bags off. Go on. Yeah, yeah, there you go. Bring the upgrades out. Finally, Lewis said the magic words.

I want to wing. Like, what? It's like a really massive long bet they've had. See how long you go before Lewis cracks and goes, I'm bored of this. Yeah. Might we not with it anymore. Oh, fine.

George is in on it. We got him again. George's like here. I got the seventh place. Oh, what a Franks then, George. Funded by Fernando Alonzo, obviously. Obviously. George is the rascal Russell and just Fernando,

just playing pranks on him. Oh, dear. Harry, what do you think? Do you think he's had enough? Yeah, shut up, mate. What are you talking about? No. I understand his frustration here

because he's now seeing in an era which has been dominated by Red Bull, he's now seen Charles LeClair, Carlos signs, I guess Sergio Perez, but he was in the Red Bull, but he's seen his own teammate, George Russell, and now Lando Norris, win a race. And he's like the only one sort of left in that top group, which he hasn't. And so I understand that.

But also, what are you going to gain, mate? so what? I'm sure everyone else in Mercedes is also really bored or not winning. Like, what do you want to do? If, yeah, just for, I, most of the time I feel like Hamilton,

I think sometimes he's quite calculated with what he says, but a lot of the time he just, he just talks because he, he wears his heart and Steve God the lot of time, and he just says how he feels. So, and he gets picked up because he does Hamilton.

Even more this year as well. Yeah, he's, he has been quite mony this year. Man! I mean, Laptu and China when he said he hated the tires. That's a low point. I hate this already. Slap two. Two minutes head into the race, Lewis.

Yeah, but he does. And I don't think he's like he's particularly calculating in what he's trying to say. He's just telling people how he feels and it gets picked up. So I don't know whether he is trying to gain anything from this. I think he's just saying it. But yeah, you're right. It's it's tough because what, yeah. yeah, I'm sure everyone else in the team of the track, the team back in Brackley and Bricksworth,

our friend, he's probably quite fed up about it as well. Shout out to K-Shoplin there. Pick up K-shop. Big up K-shop. But yeah, it's just the sign of a frustrated man. And I said this other day, I do. And like I said, he did quite well on the weekend, but I just think he's a bit checked out of this year. I don't think, as reflecting in his driving a little bit, but also not all of the

time because as we say, did well on Sunday and that move on, Nuky Sunoda was like watching vintage Lewis Hamilton, wasn't it? It was excellent. Your filth. Yeah, I feel like dirty, need to scrub. But yeah, I just feel like he's a bit checked out of this year and this is another piece of evidence to bank that up. Yeah, I can understand his frustration.

And I think if you look at this relatively as well, so Lewis Hamilton at this point has gone 51 races without a win. going back to Saudi Arabia, of course, in 2021. Before that, he had never gone more than 10 races in his career without a win. So he's essentially on a run that is five times longer than any other run he'd had before that. Like, try to put that into perspective for like Lando Norris. He's just won for the first time on the 110th attempt.

Imagine if that was 550 instead, which is just ridiculous. But it, and I know we shouldn't be, you know, completely simple. I mean, he's had a lot of success, but I think that's one of the reasons why he's going to be more frustrated than the average F1 driver is because he's used to having all that success. He's used to having at least one winner season. And now he's gone quite a long time since his last one. I think seeing Lando Norris and Carlos Seines take victories so far this year, I think it will, it's going to go one way or the other.

It's either going to boost him, I think, and motivate him to think that opportunities might come about this year where there weren't last. year or it's going to completely crush him to see other winners that aren't him. And I'm not sure which one it'll be yet. I respect his drive. I respect his want to always win. I really do. It is formidable.

But, you know, what's moan into an interviewer going to do? What is it going to do indeed? Should we take our final break and we'll play F1 high or lower on the other side? Bring on that jingle, baby. He said that it was our final break last time, Ben. Oh, really? How many final breaks we haven't, boy? and we're going to go to our final break now

after that we're going to have another break don't worry guys this is our final break okay everyone welcome back it's time for F1 higher or lower I actually rode this game last week so I just used the jingle time to reread all of the questions to ensure that I know what they're all about

great news my handwriting great as always F1 higher or lower so there are six questions the boys will take it in turns to to guess the answer to the question, and it'll always be a number. If they get it right, they get two points. But that's quite tricky.

So if they get it wrong, the other person has the opportunity to say higher or lower. If they get that right, they get a point. But if they get it wrong, the person who guessed first gets the point. Harry, do you want to kick us off? What number would you like? Number one, please. Number one, if Max Verstappen's career started in 2022, where would he rank

but all time wins? That's ludicrous. It's Max Verstappen. He would rank. Can I know where he ranks currently? He doesn't even know. It's quite high, isn't it? He would rank...

He would rank... I don't know, fourth. He wouldn't rank fourth. Higher or lower. than that, Sam. And you can, it's a bit of an awkward one, so you can clarify which way you mean. Yeah, I was going to say,

what kind of order am I going in here? I think it will be lower. He'll be further away from the top. That is correct. He'd be seventh in all-time wins if his career started in 2022, which is mildly terrifying. Yeah.

That's filthy. He's pretty good, isn't he? Fulfy. So Sam gets on the board first, and it's your pick, Sam. I'll go higher at two, please. Oh, it's funny because you couldn't have gone lower. How many drivers have won a race for Ferrari? Oh.

Oh. Oh. 27. It's not 27. Do you want to go higher or lower than that, Harry? Lower? 87 was a pretty good guess. 34 is the correct answer.

What number was Lando Norris? It was like 104th or something, wasn't he? 103rd. Yeah, something like that. Yeah. When you think about that, that's pretty good. How many of one for Ferrari? That's what I was thinking, yeah.

Yeah. Harry, back to you. What number would you like? Number six. Number six. How many? winless seasons as Kimmy Reichen and had. Count him on your arm, mate.

No, I think. Bear with me, folks. This isn't good audio? I'm counting on my fingers. Yeah, sorry for silence there. Harry is counting. He's currently holding three fingers in the air. You can see his eyes.

He's four is up to him now. His eyes are moving across as his brain processes the information. That little finger is still down. It's still out of his core. He's throwing some gang signs by the looks of it. Gang. 14. Oh, that's five.

We're up to five. Six. He's got, the thumb on the other hand is up. He's up. Seven, eight is up. Sorry, a gnawing,

YouTube are understanding everything, but... 11? It's not 11. Crap. I don't go lower. Yeah, I think you might double counted one in there.

It's 10. 10. Oh, unlucky. That is harsh. That is very harsh. You got the jingle there, Ben. You should have played that.

Sorry, I wasn't quick enough on that. well Sam this is unbelievable we're only three questions in and you cannot lose already at 3-0 big big day what number would you like I'll have three number three

how many podiums did Sebastian Vettel have in his career a lot is it lower I don't want that bothers because I've I've got a drawer in the bag which for me is a win 97.

It's not 97. Higher or lower than that, Harry? Higher. It is higher. 122. Oh, well, it's alright. This is going to be 3-0 back to 3 all. That's fine.

I can't lose. I'm all right. We're at 3-1. Harry, what number do you like? What's left, Ben? 4 or 5. 4 place. I love Harry's uncertainty about the numbers every time we play a game.

Honestly, I get sweaty about it. It's stressing me out. How many points did Nino Farina get in his first ever world championship season? You could do it, Harry. You know, Neanderthry on the back of your end. 27. Did not have 27. Sam, higher or lower?

I'm going to go lower. No, it's not lower. Oh, boo. Three minutes. 27 was a good guess, though. 30. 30. That's the second 27 answer as well at this show.

Yeah. And neither very. them have been right. Good. I'll tell you what, I'm going to give you a clue on this next one, Sam. The answer is not 27. Thank you. Appreciate it. Oh, man. That's one less answer I can think about. Number five or number five, Sam? I think I'll go higher at number five. Well, done. How many teammates did Nick Hydefeld have in his career? Oh, Harry's going to know this one. He's going to count him out his head.

Harry's been the counterfeit on his fingers this time. I can't think of one. I'm going to go. with nine. It's not nine. It's 27. Higher or lower, Aaron. Higher? He's had the comeback.

It's three. Well done. 15 team base, Nick. Fifteen? Fifteen. Your mum still buys your jeans. In between us gets like other reference. Yeah, good job.

There we go. A lovely drawer on high or lower. at three all. Gosh, that was a journey. But the journey's not over. There's another segment. And it just so happens to be the greatest segment. In all of Formula One podcasting, it is the

LB question of the week. Okay, this week's. This week's question of the week. So after Lando Norris's milestone win at the weekend. We were asking the question, what will be the next first thing that happens in the world of F1? Sam, any answers that you liked? Yeah, I'm going to go straight in with the big one from Shaw Mendoza on Instagram. Gene Haas will hire someone. He doesn't know. I love that. I love that now that's become a part of F1 law that he only hires close friends. I also loved the

next one from Matt Hector, which was first time a driver gets so frustrated he with slow pit stops. He jumps out of the car and does it himself. And then in brackets, he puts Bottas. Just so, just so we're aware of who it is that's doing it. Thought those were great starts to the Instagram. So many comics again, though. Ben, any of the jumps out of you? Yeah. This one's from Nate.

So Mercedes will make a car made of nothing but Pumpa Nickel. That was very good. What else have we got? Harry enjoys a sprint race from Tom. I'm not quite sure. Never. No, no, it's not going to happen. There were various comments that were similar to this,

but one from Matt, which was 10 kids in a month. Yeah. Yes. Thanks, Otmar. Sure. Of course that was going to happen. Harry?

Yeah, I was going to mention the Ockmar ones, which are plentiful. Oh, I just lost that one. I was going to say, yeah, Ockham, from Churchill, Ockham will get along with a teammate. Probably know. No.

That's not going to happen. Just trying to murder. Him and Gassley have been doing all right. This year been, I mean, lap one in Miami, though. He gave it a go. They tried. It did try.

Our entertainment. I was at Baku. That's the thing though. Ocon, he races other people, fine. If it's your teammate, he will kill you. You're in the wall. He does not care. I love O'Card.

He's so smiley out of the car as well. He's like that, you know, the Kirby with the dagger meme. I feel like he's that. Another one that talks about incidents is this one from Cargown. First counterterrorism strike in the middle of a Grand Prix to take Mackerson into Cuscade. needed at this point. Drew says Barry Manil though is inducted into the

LB Hall of Fame. He might be. At this rate, he might be for no apparent reason. And if you join the Discord, you get to vote and have a say in who joins the Elbe Hall of Fame at the end of the year. Gene Has wanted to join, but he didn't know anyone. Sarah, the stewards make a 100% correct, non-ridulous call in a timely manner. which is fitting with what we've discussed today,

but I can't see that happening. Seems unreasonable. And I have to go over to Twitter to my friend Craig, who has given a great answer, which is there's only one first that matters, and that's the first corner at Spain. Oh, come on.

You're right, Craig. Is it still there next year? It is, isn't it? Hasn't gone yet? Hey, I will be running the track if there is an NAF1 there. I can't lose it. I would actually like to,

to do a track run. I get quite envious when you see people post their pictures of doing a track run. I'm not even a massive runner. I just think it's cool to run around a racetrack. Would you go around pretend you had a steering wheel? Probably. I am that bigger child, to be honest. I would like actually to sit in a little cart and bang, you can push me while I'm making noises.

In fairness, with like pretending you're in a car, that is like 50% of what we did at Cota. Yes, we sat there in a pickup truck going around and we all went, pretend to be much faster. I forgot that we got driven around country in a pickup truck. That's cool as well. Well, Harry wasn't. He was late.

Obviously. Any final answers? No. Obviously, there were so many good ones, but I mean, Othmar is naming his first show, John Pierre Jubilee,

according to Bristol Liam. So, you know, that is the first. Jean-Pierre Juby the second, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we'll, of course, be back with another question of the week this time. week. But for now, at least, so if you wouldn't mind, getting us out of here.

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