The Late Braking F1 Podcast - Late Braking F1 Podcast: 07/11/19

Episode Date: November 7, 2019

Ferrari has missed out on both titles this season but which of their drivers has impressed the guys more? And of course, Jacques Villeneuve is out there making controversial statements... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to look out for new episodes every Thursday and Grand Prix Sundays. Hello and a very warm welcome. This is the late breaking Formula One podcast. I am joined today by Harri-Ead and Samuel Sage. Guys, how are you doing? Jolly good, thank you, Ben.

Of course, if you weren't there, we just, hit 1,000 subscribers on YouTube. So I'm in a very good mood. Yeah. Wow. Sam said. See, this happens. I always end up speaking second than anything we do. And whoever's spoken first, either Ben or Sam, ends up saying what I was going to say anyway. So all I have to say is, yeah, I agree. And you do it so, so well. Today we're going to be looking into some more controversial comments made by Jacques Villenev. I know Harry is already chomping at the bit to get into that one. And we're going to be looking at some more topics about overrated or underrated.

And I'm sure there'll be some juicy discussion there as well. But first of all, we're going to be looking at the Ferrari guys from this year. Sebastian Vettel and Charles Leclair locked in battle. They're fairly close in terms of points this year. They've both picked up victories. I'll start with you, Harry, just because you. you know, you won't complain about being second. Who of the two has impressed you the most?

What is Chuck LeCler, surely? We all knew what a talent that boy was going to be. In fact, I don't think we even did, but towards the latter end of last year, we were like, oh yeah, right. Sam, you said he was going to win the championship. Stop pointing at your face. I'm the only person in teammate was that said he would be the other driver.

That's true. That's a very good point. Yeah, Lecolaos had a stonking year. Perhaps we didn't think he was going to do quite so well straight off. And he almost won race two of the season. He probably should have won it, highly not been for his engine problems. Yeah, he's been mightily impressive this year, considering it's only year to his Formula One career.

He's made some mistakes, some mistakes that a person in their second year Formula One should make and has made in the past, as people do. Bakkew qualifying German GP to the two of the spring. to mind. But yeah, he's had a hell of an impressive year. Vettel, on the other hand, not so much. He's had some bad races. But since that win in...

Singapore. Singapore, I think he's back to Sebastian Vetter that we all know and love. I still don't think the car suits him as much as it suits LeClair. And I think that's a big factor for him. He needs a car that suits him well. Otherwise, he's just... He can't go quickly enough. but since I win in Singapore

I don't know that weight's been lifted off his shoulders and he's put some good performances that probably deserve the better results than that's actually been reflected but yeah overall out of the two definitely lifers the ones impressed the most Sam would you agree with that well I'm just going to start off by saying the person that's impressed me

the most off the racetrack is semi-vets who is the kindest of gentlemen you have ever laid our eyes upon he is such a one individual and I'm so very happy he's still at the top of our sport thriving because I bloody love watching him. I interviews, talking to people is a great guy. But when it comes to racing this season, you can't look past Charlotte Clare's immense drive and makes rise up through the ranks of Formula One. He is turned up in this season. Everyone thought he will be, you know,

the pad of one to the master that is Sebastian Vettel. And he's blown him out the water, not in terms of points, but I think in terms of performances, he's had so many more opportunities to succeed in Sebastian Beto, and on more occasions as he grabbed them by the horns, if you just look at Saturdays alone, he has excelled so much. The most pole positions across the

season, I believe. As he got, he's got more than Battery Botas. He's got more than Hamilton, so yeah, he's got the most polls in the season. And a car that for half the season, wasn't the best. Remember that Mercedes had seven-one-twos in a row in terms of locking out the grid. Now, that's an incredible

stuff and yet he's still got the most polls. I just think that his consistency isn't quite there yet, but in terms of the raw talent, in terms of the ability to turn up and deliver raw pace, he is doing such a fantastic job. And we all thought it would take a little longer than he has to cement what he's done. I had a lot of faith in him. I was being a little silly with how aspiration I was being as I always am for Shell of Club, but my God, has he turned up this season. I generally think he's probably the person who could take the fight to Lewis Hamilton before all brothers because he's got the car there, I'm like Max de Stappen. I think Charlotte Clair can really do something with it. And I am so impressed by how level heading is being,

by how calm he's always being, and by how well he is driven around that team. And kept relationships good with Sebastian Betta. They easily could have had a big of an inter-team war, but they haven't. It's been really good to see from the youngster. Yeah, I think Charlotte Claire has had a fantastic year, and anyone who wants to argue against that is going to have a hard job doing so. But I think it does need to be mentioned that Sebastian, Sebastian Vettel has had a fair share of bad luck this year. The answer to the question, I still believe there shall LeClaire like you to think. But Sebastian Vettel has had a solid year and he has had a few inopportune moments.

You look at the amount of retirements that they've each had, it's two each. But both of the two that LeClaire has faced have been self-inflicted, Monaco and Germany, whereas Vettles were both through reliability issues. So I think Vettel has been a little more unlucky in that sense. And he's dropped points as a result of them. So he lost almost definitely 25 at Russia, and he probably lost 10 or 12 at the US as well. You can look back to Charles Clare's performance at Bahrain, of course,

but ultimately he did still finish third. So he only lost 10 points. And I think over the course of the season, through bad luck, Vettles actually lost out a little bit more than Charlotte O'Claire has. Having said that, Charles Leclerc is in his second season of Formula One. He's come from Alpha Romeo Salba, done 20 Grand Prix last year, has been thrown into the Ferrari seat. I thought he would initially struggle, which to a degree was true, but he has picked it up much quicker than I thought he would have done. And if he does go on to beat Sebastian Metal this year,

even if he doesn't, he has matched up incredibly well against him and he's given him a run for his money. Like I said, at the beginning of the season, he did struggle slightly, but that was to be anticipated. I think he was 82 points to 57 down after Monaco. But since that point, he has been the better driver out of the two of them. And it means that he's actually 44 points ahead since that mark. So I thought that early season struggle would carry on a little bit more, hence why I picked Vettel in teammate wars. And it's still not decided yet. But LeCle, has got the advantage in that respect. But yeah, Leclair has delivered some scintillated performances.

There are still a few gaps that needs to fill in that he's still not the complete driver, but that will come with time and experience. And in terms of qualifying, I mean, Sebastian Vettel, no disrespect, has not been able to touch him. Leclair has the most pole positions that Sebastian Vettel has ever had against him. Seven is more than any other teammate than Vestl. has had. And there has been no teammate before this year that has out pole positioned Sebastian Vettel. That's going to change at the end of this year. So I've been really impressed

with Charles LeClair. So, Harry, I want to ask you this question because obviously at the beginning of the year, we saw Australia, Bahrain, China, a few team orders come into play, which would have favoured Vettel? How have you been impressed? Have you been impressed with Leclair and how he wasn't able to settle this year on a second driver wrong? Yeah, I mean, I think Ferrari quickly realized that they couldn't have La Cla as a second drive. I think it was clear almost as early as Bahrain. Yeah, it's been mightily impressive. He's not settled for the number two seat.

And I was just thinking, Ferrari, there's been a few, you know, talks or serious talks they've had, but there's not been like a big blow. For two quality drivers, and they both had the ups and downs this year, that's a very strong line-up, and I think Vettles had to dig really deep to match or slash beat on a Sunday at least. But it's been impressive how Ferrari have kind of managed to keep any, I don't know, scuffle, what was, like, I don't know, tensions, that's the one before, any tensions under wraps, and I know we had Russia, which has probably

probably the biggest tension points. But still, either it's Ferrari, like Bonotto's great management, or LeClau's just got a really, really level head on him. Or Vetter than the Clare, just, you know, sorted out themselves. But, yeah, I've been quite surprised by that, because when it was obvious, it became clear earlier on the season that LeClau wasn't going to be number two. I thought it could all go wrong.

And we might have, like, a Ricardo Vettel, 2014 situation again, where Vessel wasn't getting his way and ended up leading the team. So, yeah, yeah, so it's been in pretty. by that but um as i said impressed by lecler as well but by his speed that he just they just couldn't control him yeah and ultimately they they could well have looked like could well have settled for that second driver role this year and then really attack next year and i i've personally been very impressed at how he's just gone out and got it and said and just flat out said no to that and and wants to be that first driver he wants initially to be ahead of vettel which is the go-getting ability you need in

Formula One to be a champion. Sam, would you agree with that? Well, you stated how he struggled initially in the star. I actually completely disagree with you on that point. I think the moment he sat down in Ferrari overalls at the start of this season, he came out fighting and went, I'm going to be the first driver in this Ferrari team. The only reason he lost to Vett in Australia was through team orders. He was the fast driver come the end of the race and could have overtaken him if told to hold back in Bahrain. He would have beaten Vettel comfortably. Vettel spang, remember through no fault of his own. The only reason, Charlotte. Clair lost any point was due to reliability issues due to engine loss. I think you talk about those

differences of points. The gap gets a lot smaller and you expect Vettel to be comfortably beating Charlotte, Claire. The experience is outweighed massively. Charlotte, Clair came in and I think in the first two races was better than Sebastian Vessel. And across most of the season, I think has been more consistently better than Sebastian Vettel. But you are right in terms of the Russia thing was disappointing for Vettel. He probably should have taken home maybe 25 points there. And I think really sitting Singapore, that's an out drove Lecler and what was a really, difficult track as well. But overall, I think LeCleur has put itself as an equal driver to a four-time world champion to a guy that's been in that team for over five years. You know, that's tough to do

when you've only been in the sport at that point when he entered it for 20 races. So, massively impression, Charles LeCler. He will never want to be a second driver. He's just far too quick for it anyway. And I reckon one more year, if it carries on like this, better maybe looks for something else and Charlotte-Cleur takes over the league of that team. It'd be interesting to see. Moving on. to, of course, Jacques Villeneuve. We do like dissecting his comments here at late breaking. And once again, Jack Villeneuve has come out with some slightly controversial words,

suggesting that Williams don't deserve to be battling the likes of Mercedes and Ferrari, and the cost cap is a bit of a lifeline that they don't deserve. Harry, I love your reactions to Jacques Villeneuve comments, so I'm just going to let you go for it. Oh, God. I mean, it's annoying, because it's just getting what he wants, isn't it? us talking about it effectively because he's just all he's saying he's saying it because he wants a reaction but it's not even

controversial it's just downright disrespectful to the team that gave him his World Championship gifted it he was in the best bloody car they had and he's saying they don't deserve to fight with the likes of Mercedes and Ferrari stupid

why do we want to why do we want to put down I know they were once a great team and I'm not suggesting that where they are now is not anything to do with them. It's not their fault. They've made mistakes along the way that is clear. But as a privateer team, of which there aren't many left,

they deserve to at least be able to compete with the likes of the powerhouses of Mercedes and Ferrari. And they can't do that at the moment because it just costs too much. They can't afford to put the money in the Mercedes and Farid. So I don't know what Jacques's problem is. I think he's just saying it to, again, get a reaction. which he's, congrats, Jack. You have beer a moron, so shut up. Eloquently put.

Sam, would you agree with what Harry said? Not with the same passion that Harry's presented. I'm going to coming from a different angle. I'm not actually as annoyed at the brilliant Jacques Villeneuve. I generally think there's no deserve in Formula One. You make your own luck, and Williams have put themselves in the doo-doo over the last few years, continually making poor choices. They don't deserve to be up at the top

just because they've won championships in the past. Just like McLaren, don't deserve to be first place just because they had Lewis Hamilton as their first driver or something like that. You don't deserve anything in Formula One. You have to plan. You have to be better and you have to use your resources better than the other teams.

It's the same as any sport. No one deserves anything. You get what you put in, you get a little bit lucky, and you have to take out of it the most you can. There's no deserve for me. But yes, I think, there should be a cost cut. I think

that Williams will benefit from it as much as pretty much every other team on the grid and they should benefit from it because it's becoming ridiculous how much teams can spend. I think that they do deserve a better chance at utilising the resources they've got and if that balances the

playing field, then I'm all for it. But I do agree that they don't deserve just because of their history that they should be at the top. And I think that's kind of what he said and that's where I agree with him, but if they can utilize this cost cap, if they can make the most of the limited resources, unlike the other teams, then good for them. That's what you should be doing in sport. I don't think they're going to particularly that well. I think the likes of McClara, I think raising point now,

who have always done brilliantly on low cost budgets are going to excel more than they do. But I wouldn't be surprised if we see them maybe jump above Torrosso again, Alpha Mayo, you know, those kind of cars that maybe are a little bit up in the air, Haast definitely could fall backwards as well, because they haven't got the expertise that Williams have got in the garage. I think this is good for Williams, but I don't think they deserve to be up the front. But yeah, I do think it's beneficiary for them. I still don't think it's a handout because I think it's bloody good for the sport overall. I'm not 100% sure Jacques Villeneuve understands how a cost cap works.

So it's not as if Mercedes and Ferrari are instantly going to be last and second last, just as it's not going to be a case of Williams immediately surging into first place. That's not going to happen. A cost cap does not benefit small teams. A cost cap benefits efficient teams. This isn't about smaller teams getting up to first and bigger teams going down to last. It's about utilising the money that you have at your disposal and basically improving your pound per point. or however you want to phrase it.

At the moment, Williams are terrible, and they are spending the same amount as midfield teams. So come 2021, if they are still in this same position, they're still going to be last. They're still going to be awful. The fact that there's a cost gap going to be introduced, which will scale back the likes of Mercedes and Ferrari, isn't going to therefore improve the performance of Williams.

Williams return on investment, or however you want to phrase it, is dreadful. So it doesn't hand them a lifeline. It just gives them a better ground in which to fight in the championship if they can work out how to make their money work a bit more effectively. At the moment, they're terrible at it. They need to work out how to do that in the next couple of years. And you're right, Sam, in what you're saying. They don't necessarily deserve to be at the top because they were there once. Absolutely not. I hate that argument. You should not be at the top because you were once there. Everything is earned in the moment. But the cost cap is all about making other factors relevant other than just an arms race in which you can outspend your

opponents like Mercedes and Ferrari have done for so many years. It's about bringing up, bringing to speed the likes of driver ability. It's about making factors such as clever engineering, innovative engineering. It's about making them more relevant and making just overall cost and overall spend such an overriding fixture on who does well and who doesn't in Formula One. So, yeah, and also, Jack Villeneuve seems to be having a go at Williams because they take home a profit every year. I don't think, again, he understands how Williams works compared to Mercedes and Ferrari. Mercedes and Ferrari don't necessarily need to make a profit on Formula One because they'll feel the benefit of that in the sales of their road cars. Williams don't have that.

So of course they're going to take a profit every year. Otherwise, they wouldn't be in the sport, you muppet. But yeah, that's pretty much all I have to say on that one, Jack. I think we should move on. That's kind of our five-minute Jacques Villeneuve ran over. I don't think we can take any more of him. In slightly more positive news, Antonio Giovenazi has been confirmed in the 2020 seats alongside Kimi Reichen, so an unchanged lineup at Alpha.

Harry, do you think this was a good move? I do, actually. I, at one point, wasn't really sure about it I drove a national year, and this is Take 2 at Formula One. I know he only had a couple of races in 2017. But you've seen the improvement throughout the year, and I think he's definitely benefited from having Kim Stowe's his teammate.

He might be mute, but I think Kimmy must impart some wise sage words, not sound sage words, but useful words. Yeah, and we've seen the improvements throughout the year. And in qualifying trim, at least, Jovanazzi's matching and sometimes beating Kimmy now, which is impressive. Kimmy is still a world champion, but he might still get him on race day.

Yeah, I think it's a good move. Kimmy's staying there next year, so they've got their experienced driver, keep Jovanazzi for another year, see how he develops. And if he doesn't improve next year, then maybe go for someone else. But I think sensible decision for 2020.

Yeah, good, cool. Sam, do you think this was the right decision to keep him? Well, Kimmy Ryken is still a world champion, as is Jacques Vilnath. The point I make there, the point I make there is being a world champion does not make you a difficult target to beat necessarily. I don't think Kimmy Ryken is anything remotely close to what he once was when he won that title. Kimmer Rikin was a formidable driver, one of the best of all time when he was on track winning that title, Jack Vilnove, just for him. clarification was not. Giavansi's beating Kimi, in part, when Kimi is probably at one of his worst levels of

performance across his entire career. It's very just, midfield, he's doing a good job, but it's not doing a great job. It's going to do a good job. Yes, he's implying that expertise, but I don't think it's going to reflect that much of Giavanazzi, and it's hard to be passionate about Giovanni, because he's just average. He's good. He doesn't make loads of mistakes, but he doesn't, wow, he doesn't impress me. I'm not filled with excitement for the future.

I don't think that Alfa American realistically build a team around him. He's already older than the majority of the youngsters in the sport anyway, and he's got less experience and less success. Yeah, okay, keep him for another year, but I don't think he's the future of this racing team. I think you've got people like Pascal Verlon,

which showed a lot more promise that are gagging for an F1 seat that you could have given a go and maybe spent less money on. So, yeah, good for him. I'm happy that he's in F1, because I do like him. But I'm also not wowed by the decision.

It feels like an easy choice for Alfa to make for consistency until the regulations change. I don't know if we're going to see both those drivers in that team come 2021, nor do I feel they deserve to both be in that drive come 2021. That might be controversial, but that's how I feel about it. And Qiavanazzi, like I said, average, good, not great. I kind of hope they take a risk and go for something a little bit different. But hey-ho, maybe next year. Ooh.

Oh, well, like I said, Pascal Verline is an option. And then... Boring. It's not boring. It's not boring at all. He's a boring German. We can go move on, folks. Ben, give your opinion.

Yeah, I think it's... I think it's a good decision. If this was heading into 2021 rather than 2020, Alpha might have taken a risk. Because obviously everything is geared up to 2021 at the moment. We're just seeing a bit of a lull in terms of the driver.

market with the exception of obviously Nico Holkenberg and Esteban-Hulcom making that switch. There aren't too many dramatic moves happening in F1 compared to last off season. Yeah, everything seems to be geared to 2021 and they would rather play it safe, give Giovannazzi another year. I don't think one season is enough to completely rate a driver. I think it's enough to give you about a 70, 75% inkling of how good a driver will be, but I don't think it shows you exactly how good they will be. I don't think it gives enough time.

In which case, German-Anse gets one more year. If he can up his performance is enough. He stays for 20-21. If he can't, he's replaced. And it gives Alfa of the power to make the decision there. So I think it was a good decision overall. I've got no problems with it whatsoever. A bit safe.

Yeah, sure. But that seems to be part of the course for 2020. All right, then. Relatively, fairly in agreement, I suppose. Just kind of like, yeah, expected, I suppose, for the next season. think next season could end up being one of the most dull seasons of Formula One if things go tipping slightly the wrong way. Damn. I think it could be judging on the way that the end of this year's gone with Red Bull Ferrari finally catching up,

as long as that continues into next year, I think it would be okay. That's what I'm praying on. Otherwise, it could be dull. It probably won't, and Mercedes will win again. But hey-ho. Yes. We'll have to see on that one. hopefully, Harry, for the first time in the last four or five years, you are right.

You are the Williams. I've had enough of your nonsense, Ben. Nonsense. Good word. You are H.R.T. The H.R.T. The H.R.T. That's harsh.

Oh. Daniel Riccardo race for those guys. Come on. Ging Chandop for crying out loud. The legend is the sport. I've interviewed him. Yeah. Cena.

Anyway, moving on, the disagreements will probably start now because we're going to go into F1, overrated, underrated. We played a few times before we give three different things in Formula One. They can be drivers, circuits, they can be pretty much anything concepts, and we will discuss whether they are overrated, underrated, or just about right. Harry, I'm going to start with you on this one. the first topic we have, one shot qualifying. Underrated.

Why? Because it wasn't the greatest concept in the world, but we've had worse concepts, but underrated because you never miss a lap, you never miss Collie lap, you're always watching Collie. And if it rained halfway through a collie session, you might end up with a bit of a mixed-up grid. It was dry at the start and you had the slower cars go out first. And then it rained towards the end. You had the fast cars and they can't set a fast lap. And you know, with the weird mixed up grid.

So it threw a bit of jeopardy in there. We did keep it for a few years. And it worked. It seemed to it settled the grid pretty easily. And it puts, you know, a bit more pressure on the drivers. They've got to nail the lap. It's that lap and that's it. So yeah, underrated.

I like what we have now, by the way. and I wouldn't necessarily go back to one-shot quality, but still underrated as a qualifying format. Sam, what do you think? I can't believe I'm saying this. I am going to agree with Mr. Harry Ead. It is underrated. I don't think, as Harry's saying, actually,

I don't think I'd swap it out for the current format. I really love qualifying. It's always so excited. But, yeah, I mean, you get one go at something. How often do you get one go at something and you get it right perfectly first time? I mean, some of the top proper drivers, look how well Valtry Bottas has qualified this year. You never know how often that can end up putting him at the top of something because he got the first run right. But Hamilton gets the second run, right?

It's irrelevant if Hamilton gets the second one, right? Who cares? Bossas will be on power. I wonder how often that will change a championship fight because someone is better at going out there and doing a great lap. Not a perfect lap, but a great lap. The other drivers have to put a bankering. But that's surely lap. That's all you get.

I don't like the weather idea because, yes, it jumbles up the grid, but I do also feel like we're robbed over again entertaining event. We immediately know that the front half are settled if it's dry at the start. You get a good race, though. Yeah, you do get a good race, but I want to see two exciting things happen. And that's why I like the current format of Formula One, because it is exciting, regardless of weather or what happens with it, it's still exciting. I really like one shot qualifying.

I wouldn't bring it back, but I do still think it is an underrated concept. one shot qualifying is getting three for three in terms of underrated so well done one shot qualifying should have one shot to impress that's what it's all about i mean qualifying is all about setting the perfect lap i just don't think it's um whilst i agree i think the format that we have right now is absolutely fine and i wouldn't necessarily change it um yeah i think that one shot qualifying is what the essence of that whole thing should be. It's about going out there, nothing to do with bank lapse, nothing to do with giving yourself a target to aim for on a second or a third run. It's about going out there, nailing that lap first time. And if you don't nail it,

you deserve itly start towards the back of the grid. And yeah, I feel as if that ramps up the pressure slightly on the drivers, which is what we want to see. They are the best in the world. And they should be tested at every single turn. So yes, I, I think it is underrated. Three for three. Congrats. One shot qualifying. Bravo.

Great here. I just want to apologize to all headphone users. And, of course, if you don't love JLAS, please get down in the comments and let us go. It's a nice pop culture. I have to reference. Also, I mean, no. JLF's one shot,

overracing or underrated? Not important Sorry folks Get your votes on one shot qualifying in the comments please We'd love to know if the majority agree with us Or most probably disagree with us Most probably But we've got two more to go through

I feel as if these next two might divide slightly more The Monaco Grand Prix Sam is it overrated or underrated Oh it's so very overrated I don't need it in my life I just don't need it. This year's Monaco Grand Prix was one of the best we've had in a long time.

And it wasn't even that great. I'm sorry. Like you, Ben, I love a race. There doesn't have to be an overtake all race. Thank God for Monaco, because they never is. But you don't have to have an overtake all race. But I want the illusion, the tension, the opportunity for a pass to be made.

Unless you absolutely stack it into a barrier like your Max Verstappen every single year, then you can't make an overtake unless the most bizarre of occurrences happens like Niko Rosberg locking up his brakes into the runoff zone. I mean, Monaco is an old-school track that worked well on old-school cars when it was a wider circuit.

Qualifying is the most interesting part of it or knowing that someone's going to absolutely bin it into a wall. For me, it is a waste of 71 laps of my weekend and I would much rather we go somewhere else. I don't care about the Jordan and the Crown. I don't care at all. Overrated. Don't like it.

Move on. Gaving. Harry, what do you say about this? It's not underrated. You're goddamn right. But I don't agree that's overrated, because I don't think anyone... I don't know.

I don't think they all rates it. as like a classic place to race. Everyone votes it as a classic race. No, they rate it as a classic place to drive. I don't think they ever rate it as a classic place to race. And I still look forward to Monaco. I know it never delivers a really exciting race, but I don't know.

I just always look forward to Monaco. I think it's just the whole weekend. But so I don't think it's overrated, but I'm going to have to go for it, because I don't think anyone's underrated to Monaco Grand Prix in their life. So, yeah, by default, I'm going overrated, but I don't think it's either.

It's not a majority. Everyone agrees with me. Thank you. I think it is a little bit overrated. Yes. I'm not quite as severe in my views as Sam is, but I am going to go with overrated. I think the whole passing issue wasn't so much of a case,

say 20, 25 years ago, because it was so, it was such a, challenge and reliability was so difficult around there you'd obviously sometimes finish with 10 drivers six drivers of course the year that Pannis won I think only three drivers across the line so it was a much bigger challenge back in those days to to even get the car across the line um I was actually only watching the other day a review of the 2000 Monaco Grand Prix where about half the field binned it at sandavotte Oh, yeah. Doesn't J.B.

calls a pile up or something. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, ex it to send a vault, please. PDR had a bit of a bit of a coming together. But, yeah, enough about the 2000 Monaco Grand Prix. But the point is, it was okay that passing was difficult to get done, because even if you're leading the race,

there's reliability was much more difficult to attain back in those days. Now, you wouldn't be surprised to see 17 or 18 drivers finish a Grand Prix. and only one person crash all race and it's not quite the challenge it once was. So I'm going to go with a little bit overrated. You can wing the Monaco Grand Prix with your car being broken doing half a lap slower

than the last car in the race because you can't overtake anywhere. That's not Formula One. That's not racing. It's a procession. Get rid of it. So Sam, if we get three tickets to the Monaco Grand Prix, can I give you a couple?

I will go to the casino. Wow. Great question. I would not enjoy it. I was sitting there in the stands and my arms crossed. I want a camera on me all time

to show my fury. Just shaking your face that all the cars are going back. You'll be like the Kimmy Rykenen girl from a few years ago. I will.

Angry. I'm angry on my top. All right. I have, of course, saved the best till last. This is a good one, and it is slightly related to the Monaco Grand Prix. Good. Overrated or underrated Harry, Yarno Trulley.

Oh! Water boy! Oh, Jesus, this is difficult. I'm going to get underrated. Whoop! Because he was known for his trilley trance during a race, and even his win in 04, he was still holding back. button up, I seem to remember.

So, yeah, okay, his race pace, not great, I think worse to say on that one. But his one lap, but we're talking about one shot qualifying, his one lap pace was magnificent. The man could qualify a car better than most drivers have ever done. Maybe not those haunted. Yeah, underrated, just because his qualified performances were amazing. And any time you'd ask him how he was,

if the race went badly, he was very happy. And if he didn't go well, he was not very happy. And that's the same to the race and drivers. That is such a good impression of Yano Trilly, by the way. Perfect. Yeah. See? All right.

Sam, are you also underraised on this one? Yarno Trulli is quite possibly the most underrated driver we've seen this century. No, that's exaggeration. Harry is about out of his water. The other truly is an underrated driver though. I'm so mad Harry literally spit everywhere. I'm so sorry. I mean, we've all heard of the trilly training.

If you haven't, if you're new to Formula One, then please go on to YouTube and watch a trolley train. Choo-choo, all aboard. Another reason why I hate Monmouth, by the way. But that is a testament to how well he can defend. He can hold up an entire grid behind him. No one's getting past. Choo-choo-choo all aboard the train.

he was great on a Saturday. That man could put a car so much higher than that his current car or whatever he was driving deserved to be. He was so good at nailing that one lap

that he needed to do. That is impressive. He also has the best collection of haircuts you've ever seen in Formula One and that's why it's underrated all aboard the underrated

Yarno Truddy train. Ben, if you say overrated, we riot. You know, people are, often say that Lewis Hamilton is the greatest qualifier of all time. They are utterly wrong because it's Yarno Trulley. That also is slight exaggeration.

But I am all aboard the underrated Trulley train. Holding everyone up since 97. All right. Here's a list of the guys he outqualified in his career, right? excited. He outqualified Frensen two years out of two. He out qualified Panis two years out of two.

Across two years he outqualified Fernando Alonzo. He outqualified Jensen Button over a season. He outqualified Ralph Schumacher twice. And I mean, the best... That's a fairly good list, I would say, that he was outqualified in his career. And the best thing is, he wasn't out qualified

by a teammate across a season in all of his career until his final year against Hakey Kovilinen when he got stuffed. Babyface beat Yianno Trilly. And he's the only teammate who has beaten him over a season when he has had Alonzo Button, Ralph Schumacher, Frensen, Covalinner was the only guy. But point is he was underrated.

He was a really solid driver. feel as if he had a bit more reliability in his Jordan days, I think he'd have picked up quite a few podiums more than he did. Had some good years at Toyota as well. And in that, Renault, I'd have loved to have seen Trulli in 2005 rather than Fizzichella. I don't think he would have beaten Alonzo, but he beat Alonzo the year before Alonzo won the World Championship. Just bear that in mind.

So, yeah, I think he was a really solid driver. Overrated, underrated, Physicella. Overrated. Overrated. Anyway, that was fun. I can't believe Babyface beat Yarno Trulli. That is incredible. Yeah, genuinely.

If he retired in 2010, he'd have gone for his whole career without ever being beaten by a teammate and qualifying over the season. Well, I want to hear what the viewers think about Yarno Trulli and about Monaco, actually. That's exciting. Please let us go in the comments. Yes, indeed. And with that, I think we can get ourselves out of it, Sam.

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