The Late Braking F1 Podcast - Making F1 Drivers' New Year Resolutions | Episode 97

Episode Date: January 6, 2021

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to look out for new episodes every Thursday and Grand Prix Sundays. Hello and a very well welcome to the late breaking F1 podcast. The first of 2021, so Happy New Year 2 all. We've got a wonderful time over the holiday season and we're here to help fight against those January blues. some, you know, what we do. F1, kind of. Sam Sage and Harry Ead, of course, joining me, Ben Hocking.
Starting point is 00:00:39 Sam, I am assuming the phrase, New Year, New Me, isn't going to apply to you whatsoever. We're still going to get the same level of pure insanity. Yeah, I have been a moron for 25 years and this will be the 26th. Running on. You are a moron, Sam. Good. It's a good start for the podcast. Everyone, welcome back. Let's go. Glad we've got that confirmation out of you.
Starting point is 00:01:06 So on the agenda today, Williams have announced an increased technical partnership with Mercedes from 2020. So our thoughts on that news, how it might impact the team. We give our thoughts on how we would change the podium ceremony. And it's a first appearance of 2021 for F1 back and forth later in the show. But first of all, we're in the new year. and many people like to try out New Year's resolution. So we're going to look at some F1 drivers and what their resolution should be. So we'll kick off with you, Sam.
Starting point is 00:01:40 What do you think, Mick Schumacher, new hash driver, what should his New Year's resolution be? Demolish Nikita Mazaping into the ground. Did you, Nikita Mazabin? That's correct, yeah, or Nikita Mazapin, and you can eat him as a delicacy throughout. the race weekend. I think all honesty,
Starting point is 00:02:02 that horse probably still isn't going to be too great. Especially when they've lost their senior drivers that maybe could provide some insight on development. So, I think Schumacher has to beat Mazapin. I think as a new year's resolution,
Starting point is 00:02:14 you have to go in there, you have to beat your teammates a rookie, especially when they're another rookie, especially when you have beaten them in your junior platform. So I think you've got to carry that form through. I think if he does it does that well by a good few points,
Starting point is 00:02:28 should the Haast score points, then I think he's done himself a good first season. But for me, that's what Mick Schumacher has to do, is crush Mazapin into the ground in terms of racing points. That's like a tiny speck of dust. Yeah, yeah. So far away, because Schumacher's so far ahead. You can't really see him anymore.
Starting point is 00:02:48 Good stuff. This has started exactly how I figured. It would have done. Harry, what about you? We'll move on to Daniel Ricardo. If you got a New Year's resolution for Danny. Rick at his new team. Yeah, my new year's resolution
Starting point is 00:03:03 for Danny Rick is for him to keep being him. And by the last I mean, no, I mean, I think arguably 2020 was Danny Danny Ricardo's best over year in F1. It might be level with 2014 potentially,
Starting point is 00:03:19 but I think he was on absolutely top form last year. And, you know, we saw with the first year of his Renae move, he wasn't on great form. And, you know, whether that was going used to the team or he didn't like the car the way the car suited him. So he needs to not let that happen and keep doing what he was doing last year and can maintain that form as he enters this new era with McClaren.
Starting point is 00:03:44 Yeah, I mean, I would agree with what you said there actually in terms of it being either his best season or at least rivaling 2014. He was very, very good in 2020, 2020, I should say. so it would be interesting to see what he does this season. All right, I'll go with Valtrey Bottas here, a New Year's resolution for him. And I was thinking maybe I should do win the championship, but ultimately I think New Year's resolution should be achievable. So just kidding, Valtry.
Starting point is 00:04:17 And we've got our first one of a year. Good stuff. No, my realistic New Year's resolution for Valdry Bottas, win back-to-back races. He still hasn't done it four years into being a Mercedes driver. He's never won two races in a row. We see year after year that Valtrey Bottas clearly has a lot of pace, particularly in qualifying,
Starting point is 00:04:40 and he has the ability to take it to Lewis Hamilton, but not on a consistent enough basis, and he's never been able to string together two wins. So I'd like to see him do that this year. I don't think there's any chance to win the championship, much like last year, but doing stuff like that, winning back-to-back races, more consistent podiums, that could see him get closer. So that's mine.
Starting point is 00:05:04 Sergio Perez, Sam, what should be the new Red Bull driver's new year resolution? Well, I think realistically, we know Max is going to perform. So I think it's just to be on par with Max Verstappen. I'm not always expecting Perez to beat the Stappan, right? The Stappen's how many years in that Red Bull family. The Stappen knows what he's doing. It's for Perez to turn up and just show that. that skill.
Starting point is 00:05:24 He showed that... The thing is, if Perez says badly, it almost alleviates Alex Albon and Pierre Gazley. People might look at the situation a little kind to see that there is an experienced vestring of a driver in that car, and he still can't get anywhere near the Stappen. But if Perez can finish in the position behind the Staffing and the championship, he can regularly qualify next to him on the grid,
Starting point is 00:05:50 maybe in front of him. Some races, I think Perez has it in him to do that. That's great. And to back up the team, just be a solid number two driver. I think President more than capering in, he's just got to adapt to the car, adapt to his surroundings. He just needs to be strong and represent himself as well as he has done in the previous seasons. So for me, it's time up to every race and be right there with Gestappen every single race. I think that's more than a good enough season.
Starting point is 00:06:15 I mean, you've said in that the position behind Vastappen would be absolutely fine and being there in terms of qualifying. Do you think there's a certain number of points that would, be respectable for him to be behind Verstappan in the championship. Sorry, I'm eating some mini eggs. That's fair enough. Fair enough. Now, these two chocolates come out already.
Starting point is 00:06:34 God, damn. So, we'll come the end of the season. I think if he's within 20 points of Matt Rastafin at the end of the season, 15 to 20 points, I think that's great. Considering that, you know, if we're going to take the current season that we've just had and copy and paste the form of the car
Starting point is 00:06:48 onto the new season, they're not going to be winning a lot of races. maybe one, maybe two here or there. There's a crazy race going on. So they're not going to be scoring those mega points. So, you know, you lose three, six points every single race. If that hangs up over a full season to a maximum of 20 points, I think Perez has done itself really well because it's his first season in that car.
Starting point is 00:07:10 Good stuff. Moving on to another driver that finds himself at a new team. Sebastian Vettel, of course, going to be at Aston Martin after a number of years at Ferrari. Harry, do you think that there is a New Year's resolution for old Sebi Vett? Old Sebi Vett. Yeah, I think his New Year's resolution has to be let the team, you know, let the strategist, let everyone in the team take the pressure. You just concentrate on the driving.
Starting point is 00:07:42 I think he spent so many years, you know, I'm not saying he carried the team the whole way, didn't have a great 2020, 2020, 2019 wasn't special either. But, you know, the 15, 16, 17, 18, I think the weight of Ferrari and having to carry Ferrari, especially when they made some pretty horrendous strategic decisions, I think it got to him and he needs that, I think for Vetta to excel, he needs a strong backing behind him and he doesn't want to have to feel like he's carrying, you know, carrying the weight. So I think, you know, I think, uh, Ray, um, asked him,
Starting point is 00:08:19 Martin can, you know, the team can give that to him. I think we know already they are a solid team. But I think Betel just needs to let that happen. You know, just go with it and don't try and put too much pressure on his shoulders because I think he will struggle otherwise. I mean, we saw something even as early as, even as soon as 2020, really. You remember the Hungarian Grand Prix, where everyone moved on from intermediate tires to dry tires.
Starting point is 00:08:47 They tried to put him on, I think the soft comp, Hont tire the same as what they put Charles LeClair on. Vessel overrides the decision. Vettel ends up finishing like fifth or sixth and Charles Leclair doesn't get any points from the race. So yeah, just kind of proving your point on that one. Max Verstappen, I'll have a look at next. So Perez is teammate. And actually my New Year's resolution is focused on Sergio Perez for Max Wastappen. And that's quite simply to work well with him.
Starting point is 00:09:13 Like we see how good Mercedes are year on year. and a lot of that comes down to the partnership that Hamilton's got with Bottas. And we know that there is a clear pecking order there. We know there is a one and two driver in terms of ability. And we might well get a situation like that at Red Bull. It remains to be seen. But Vastappen just needs to prove that he can work alongside a second driver. In terms of strategy, he hasn't had it over the last few years.
Starting point is 00:09:43 He hasn't had that strategic partner to sort of go longer or go shorter in a, stint. So I'd just like to see that partnership blossom. I don't think Perez is a particularly difficult driver to get along with. Esteban-Ock on aside, you know, he's got on well with his teammates throughout his career. So, yeah, I think Vastappen at some point, if he wants to win championships, he's going to have to work well with a second driver. So no reason why he can't start here. Lewis Hamilton has the opportunity to win an eighth championship this season and break the record. Sam, do you use a resolution for him? Well, I think for Lewis Hamilton,
Starting point is 00:10:21 it has to be to raise Williams up back through the ranks again. Obviously, he's going to be their lead driver going into the new season. George Russell, of course, is the new lead driver for Mercedes, because for some reason, Lewis still has signed a bloody contract. So, no one knows what's going on in the world. So I think that Lewis Hamilton is going to be the Williams Golden Boy, and all those haters out there, Lewis speaks to wearing a car that isn't the best.
Starting point is 00:10:44 I mean, you could look at the early teams years when he was at McLaren, but also you can now look at Williams because that's who he's going to be driving for. In all seriousness, Lewis just has to keep on doing what he's doing. I don't think Lewis, in my opinion, I'm off the track at the moment. He can't be better. Win more races, I guess. Have more poll positions. Just keep doing exactly what you're doing.
Starting point is 00:11:03 New Year's resolution, sign a bloody contract, mate. Get it sorted. Put a pen on a paper. I cannot wait for Nicholas Latifie to beat Lewis Hamilton 1-0 in terms of points this season. It's what I live for. No, so fair enough. Harry, someone told me once that you quite like Fernando Alonzo, and apparently he's returning this season.
Starting point is 00:11:28 So have you got a New Year's resolution for him? Yeah, it's a tough one for Alonzo. It's kind of similar to Ricardo. I just think, actually, he's kind of similar to Ricardo and Vettles. He just needs to be Alonzo in the fact, you know, we love Alonzo. even if you say you don't like Alonzo, you do. It's the law. It's just spicy, isn't it? So in that sense, he just needs to keep being the fast driver he is
Starting point is 00:11:56 and just spicy team radio messages. But on the other hand, I think he also needs to cinema to Vettel in a different way, but kind of butt out of the team stuff. And I don't think he's going to be there long enough. And I think he views this as a different project, you know, compared to what the return to McLaren was. I think this is kind of his swan song, isn't it, in Formula One in racing. So I think he will.
Starting point is 00:12:19 But basically that's it. So butt out of the team stuff, the B-A-Lonso. And I know that's quite hard to do for him, but you can do it, Fons. You can't do that. Anyway, world champion by the end of this year, guaranteed. Oh, there goes my prediction. I'm a few guys early on it, but there we go. And I'll go, finally, we'll round out this topic here, Carlos Sines.
Starting point is 00:12:47 So Alonso's compatriot. So signs, of course, going to Ferrari against Chau LeClauil, it is not an easy task for him whatsoever. So I just think he needs to get some early encouraging results. I think that should be his New Year's resolution. We saw what happened with Charles LeClaer versus Sebastian Vettel at the beginning of 2019. There was a very clear pecking order then. and Charleclair just wouldn't back down. He kept on knocking on the door,
Starting point is 00:13:15 and soon enough, they let him in. And they gave him that long-term contract. They ended up not negotiating with Sebastian Vettel at all. It just proves that if you do deliver the performances, you can make it. So I think Carlos Sines just needs to establish himself early on, and particularly because there is a lot of threat for that seat from younger drivers.
Starting point is 00:13:36 Of course, Mick Schumacher is now in Formula One. There's already been done. discussion of Mick Schumacher going into that seat, which might be used as a bit of a scare tactic for Carlos Sines possibly. But even without Mick Schumacher, there are other Ferrari young drivers as well that will eventually come through the ranks. And if Sines isn't up to the task, they'll end up replacing him. So I think Carlos Sines just needs to, he needs to familiarize himself very early on, which hasn't typically been something he's been great at, particularly at Renault. So It's a bit of a task for it.
Starting point is 00:14:14 So we're going to look now at the podium ceremony. And whether we make any changes to it, quite frankly. So Sam, have you got any ideas on this? Firstly, get rid of national anthems. They're not needed. They are not needed. You're not representing your country. You're representing you and the team.
Starting point is 00:14:36 We don't walk into Barnsley versus Coventry. Sorry, Ben. And play the national anthem every match, do we? No, we don't line the players up who are on the winging team and go, John Smith, you are from England. Let's play the national anthem. Great stuff. Okay. Sebastian Bwaymi, who are going to play the Barnesley.
Starting point is 00:14:58 We're going to play the Swiss national anthem. It doesn't happen. Sorry, you don't need it. I want the drivers to pick their own song, like in martial arts, like in boxing or something. You know, Hamilton goes, oh, I'll play. oh, XTNA Earl is a good pianist. Get in one, no one is walking out there. Who is this piano?
Starting point is 00:15:17 No one, no one. But why not? It's more fun. I don't care where X-Roy's from. It's a weird thing in Formula One that they're represented by their nationality. When Mercedes, who are based in England, are a German team and have many different nationalities working for them, it's just a bit weird.
Starting point is 00:15:37 We don't need it. Also, this is another thing I change. Bring back bloody big trophies and get rid of the stupid Heineken Stars. There, I've said it. I don't want them here. Get them out. Thank you very much. You know, I would really love for the Monaco Tunnel to actually just be one big Heineken star.
Starting point is 00:15:57 That's my idea. Controversial opinion from Mr. Saves then. Nothing new here, of course. Yeah. Oh, by the way, just to clarify, Sebastian Buemi doesn't play for Parsley. in case anyone was wondering on that front. You missed that transfer news.
Starting point is 00:16:15 Clearly, yeah. You missed that one. Harry, first of all, what are your views on Sam's views about getting rid of the national anthem? And secondly, have you got any ideas of your own that you would implement? I wouldn't get rid of the national anthem. I like the national anthem. Sorry, Sam. But if your country's national anthem is boring, then you automatically have to change it to the Italian one.
Starting point is 00:16:40 Yes. Fair. It's going to get played every week because the English one is rubbish. So it'll just be the Italian National Anthem all the time. I have annoyed a lot of people listening to this. Very sorry, everyone. So, yeah, Italian National Anthem pretty much all the time. I agree with the big, you know, big proper trophies. I don't want this NAF stuff.
Starting point is 00:17:02 I particularly think they should at least one race a year have the Sega hedgehog that they had at Donington and 19th. It gets a lucky dip each race each year. What tracks it they'll be at this year? Not sponsored by Sega, but you still get it. I think they should have the actual flags made out of material again. Not only TV screens. What's that about? Come on.
Starting point is 00:17:27 Also, why are the TV screens like the 12 inch ones that are you used to get in those portable DVD players that you can have in the back of your car? What's that about? No idea. Yeah, I like it because someone would have to be behind their pulling it up and sometimes they get it the wrong way around so they have to pull it back down again and swap them over.
Starting point is 00:17:45 That is funny. Yeah, see, it's just a comedic element to this podium ceremony. I also, I preferred the post-race interviews on the podium rather than in the pit lane. Yeah. 100% agree. Oh, good. Okay, fine. Yeah, it doesn't really work for me in the pit lane because they're still celebrating and
Starting point is 00:18:06 they're, you know, then not as coherent as they are normally when they're on the podium when they've had 10 minutes to think about what to say. So, yeah, I'd bring that more, or swap, you know, swap it back to that. What else would I have? Oh, I'd make every podium like the one in Monza. So it has to be over the track. It doesn't matter where you are.
Starting point is 00:18:24 I'd also like them to extend the podium celebration to the top eight drivers. The step gets tangier and tangier for every position. Until eight of places actually stood or get an indent, and it's not a step. They actually have to go down a step. Right. Nicholas Latifie go down in the drain.
Starting point is 00:18:45 It comes up to his waist. Poor guy. Please stand in this whole Nicholas Latifie. You came last. Here's a wooden spoon. Shaped like a harlequin star. Ben, how would you change it? Yeah, I've made all points, Ben.
Starting point is 00:19:04 No, they are all very valid points. First of all, I am intrigued with your idea about everyone having their custom entrance almost rather than the national anthem. I think that would be very interesting. Although I agree, Harry, that I don't mind the national anthem myself if they're okay ones. So everyone can have the Italian national anthem going forward. The British one, like Isaiah, is boring, so can't be played anymore. Yeah, I'd be really interested to see what we'd come up with for these custom entrances. You know, XDNA, that might show up, as you say, Sam.
Starting point is 00:19:37 Maybe Carlos Seines would have smooth operator. Oh, yes. Yeah, exactly. Nikita Mazepin could have, I Need to Understand My Boundaries. Really interesting song. Get in the being. Get in the being. But yeah, I've got a few ideas.
Starting point is 00:19:55 I agree with what you say, Harry, in terms of the interviews. They should happen on the podium, not in the piano. They don't care enough to give an interview right directly after they finish. It's too fresh. They just want to celebrate. You're not going to get the best out of them. So do it on the podium instead. And mix it up a bit in terms of having XF1 drivers,
Starting point is 00:20:18 but have also established journalists as well to try and really get the most out of their answers. I feel as if some of the questioning can at times be a bit tame and not actually achieve anything. Oh, and all celebrity interviewers are banned. I don't care Patrick Stewart. Go away. one i might just be a bit of a traditionalist here but
Starting point is 00:20:39 reefs like going back to like the seven i think they look really cool having the reefs i thought you meant the orange alco pop yes that does bring me on to a good point though champagne could be replaced by stellar artois this is going to part i tried to make it serious Yeah, whenever you try to make anything serious here, it usually does go to pot. But I also agree with what you say in terms of the trophies. I think a lot of them are a bit too samey and don't look great.
Starting point is 00:21:13 I know that the Sonic the Head John one, it's remembered and it's remembered for a reason. It's iconic. I'd love to see a bit more, yeah, just more recognisable trophies, just ones that you look at and you remember them for years to come. But yeah, I think that's it. But definitely the stellar artoire instead of the champagne. That's the main one. That is the last good thing that Britain did, though, wasn't it?
Starting point is 00:21:36 It was refused to have the Heineken trophy. That is the only thing I can remember that England's done well in the last few years. Ooh. Yeah, that's the only thing. Good. Good. Agreed. Something about anything else.
Starting point is 00:21:53 All right. Let's move on to our next topic, which is focused on Williams. So they have announced an expansion of the technical cooperation with Mercedes, who of course already supply their power unit. From 2022, the team will use Mercedes gearboxes and other components, including hydraulics. So what do you reckon, Harry? Do you think this is good news for the Williams team?
Starting point is 00:22:18 Yeah, how do you feel about it? Let us know. Do you know what, Ben? I'll let you know. It's been a sad kind of time for Williams in the way that they are no longer an independent and it's the last independent team in F1 really, isn't it? But this absolutely makes sense
Starting point is 00:22:41 and why would they not do this? They have to do it. Because we want to see Williams fighting back at the front and, you know, as much as we admire, you know, Sir Frank and Claire for remaining so independent for so long and for, you know, even not that long ago being at the front of the field, you know, think 14, 15.
Starting point is 00:23:03 They were, you know, had a poll. We're on the podium all the time. Yeah, so you've got to admire them for that. But there was no way that, you know, in the current state of F1, they'd be able to fight their way back being an independent. So it absolutely makes sense to have stronger ties with Mercedes. You know, we've seen what Racing Point did last year.
Starting point is 00:23:24 I'm not saying Williams will turn up with a Mercedes next year, although they could well do. but yeah it's it's a it's a no-brainer for everyone at williams it's cost effective means they can put the money or the little money they have into other resources or other people yeah it all may all make sense to me and if it means williams can return you know to you know can be more competitive then i'm absolutely all for it what do you reckon sam do you think that this was a necessary evil almost for them yeah i think so they already had a partnership there, obviously, with the engines.
Starting point is 00:24:01 That was pretty much the only good thing about Williams in terms of their on-track performances of the fact they had a relatively reliable engine. The issue is for them, of course, their problem wasn't straight-line speed. Their problem was downforce and drag, and their car. I mean, their car might be quite good next season, because, of course, next season is all about increased drag and reduced downforce, isn't it? The cars will be worse in corners, and maybe Williams won't have to do as much, who knows? It's a weirdly backhanded.
Starting point is 00:24:29 compliment that. You're going to be better when everyone else has to be worse. But in terms of cost saving and internal parts, parts that cost a lot to develop, this is a great move in terms of a business move. This is very financially sensible. From the new owners, it makes a lot of sense. It makes a lot of people happy. It's going to keep a lot of people in business. It's going to be a lot of people employed. It means they can focus their finances on developing elsewhere and they need to develop elsewhere because they are struggling when it comes to a lot of the key areas of the on-track sport, and that is cornering.
Starting point is 00:25:04 Apart from drag racing, you need to do that, and wouldn't even do a lot of it very well at the moment. So I'm hoping that now they can focus more directly, and they're just going to buy stuff straight off of the Seis, who, of course, are the most successful team of all time, it might go well. But as a comparison, of course, harsed this from Ferrari, and still regularly do do this from Ferrari,
Starting point is 00:25:23 and they are still struggling. So it shows that that focus, of funds, maybe on the exterior of the car and how it handles, is not the correct way forward. It doesn't work out for everybody. So I'm hoping that Williams, with the technical backing that they do have, might be going to make some in rogues. But if they've got that strong a technical backing, they should have been able to do it anyway, in my opinion. So I think it's good for a financial basis. Do I think it's going to elevate them up the field again? I don't think it's going to be as incontaneous as what some people are hoping for. Yeah, I think given Williams' position, I completely
Starting point is 00:25:55 understand why they've gone ahead with this. I think it makes sense. And I think largely in 2020, we were expecting them to make strides. And you could say based on their relative pace to the likes of Hassan Alpha Romeo, they did make strides. But honestly, I think they have not necessarily
Starting point is 00:26:13 had their blushes saved because, I mean, they weren't in a good place anyway. But I feel as if the poor Ferrari engine that was put together has actually flattered Williams slightly and they would be in pretty much the exact same position they were in in 2019 if that wasn't the case. I feel as if teams have come back towards them rather than them make massive strides forward this year. So I completely understand why they need to be more efficient and ultimately efficiency is only going to get more important as the budget cap comes in.
Starting point is 00:26:45 You know, we've, there seems to be this, what I think is a false narrative that when the budget cap comes in and all of the biggest spending teams are going to have to cut back slightly, there seems to be this narrative that the smaller teams like Williams are the ones who are going to benefit. But it's not necessarily the smaller teams that will benefit. It will be the efficient teams that benefit. Bear in mind that Williams don't really spend much less than the likes of Alva Tauri and Alfa Romeo and Haas. their budget is almost identical and they're still losing to all these teams. So why should that change when everything is brought in line with this cap? So I understand the need for being more efficient and this is the easiest way to do it. I think it is sad from a pure perspective of Frank and Claire wanting this to remain as an independent team.
Starting point is 00:27:39 And they fought to remain as an independent team even when all of the obvious signs were telling them to do otherwise, it's sad that they've had to go down this route. I didn't want that for that to be the case. Bear in mind that a little over a year ago, actually, I think it was less than a year ago, you had Claire Williams saying out loud, like, over my dead body, would we go ahead with a move like this?
Starting point is 00:28:05 And it's happened, obviously not with her in charge, but it's happened for the team. So it is sad that it's a bit of a hate the game rather than the player situation here, because I completely understand why they've done it. I feel it's just such a shame that they've had to do it. And I am of the opinion that even though this will elevate them, and I agree with what you say, Sam,
Starting point is 00:28:27 that I don't think it will be overnight. It's going to elevate them to a degree, but it's not going to elevate them all the way back up. I just don't think customer teams have the ability to win in Formula One. And theoretically, you've got Ferrari and Renault and technically Red Bulls, they're the de facto on the team, I guess, and Mercedes. You know, the other teams are becoming such clones of these bigger teams now that they are controlled almost.
Starting point is 00:28:56 You know, Mercedes are happy to give out power units and gearboxes and everything else to the likes of Williams because they know that they pose no threat whatsoever. So it's a real shame that, you know, you bring all of those factors in line where you know that they're not going to have an advantage over you. And it just means that these big teams can control it. we as a result of that get a a slightly reduced number of cars fighting for the championship
Starting point is 00:29:21 or fighting for the top few spots. So I think this will help them out. I understand why they've done this in the short term. Hopefully something comes a bit better for them in the long term though. All right. And we'll move on to the main event. The one they've all not been waiting for.
Starting point is 00:29:42 It's the return in 2021. of F1 back and forth. Did you really think that they were going to let my singing career die in 2020? No chance. It's got to get warmed up. Oh, I'm milking it. F1. Back and forth, it's F1.
Starting point is 00:30:07 Back and forth would go backwards, and then go forth, it's F1. Back and forth, yeah, F1. It's so good. it. I would say it can't get any worse. Thank you very much for that intro, Sam. F1 back and forth for anyone who hasn't listened to the podcast before. By the way, hello, thank you for joining. Where have you been? Yeah, yeah, bigger question. Where have you been? F1 back and forth is a challenge between Sam and Harry. Where I give them a category, there are a certain number
Starting point is 00:30:47 of correct answers within that category, they go back and forth until one of them can't think of an answer or gives a wrong answer. It is as simple as that, and we do encourage you to play along at home, see if you can get more right than these two morons. It's usually easy enough. Anyway, today, your challenge is this, and there are 28 correct answers within this category. Oh, God. Japan. It'd be really funny if that was a correct answer. You'll soon learn it isn't. I am looking for F1 race winners who have fewer than 10 wins and have raced since 1985.
Starting point is 00:31:30 Oh my God. So anyone who has fewer than 10 wins, but one or more, and has raced since 1985 as well. There are 28 correct answers within this category. So, Sam, if you wouldn't mind, kick us off. on this one. 69085. Yes. I'm going to make sure I got that date right
Starting point is 00:31:53 because I'm definitely going to be playing on the line. So is it 10 included or under 10? Under 10. In that case, let's kick off with Daniel Ricardo. Daniel Ricardo is a correct answer. He has seven wins to his name. Harry. Yarno Trilly.
Starting point is 00:32:17 all aboard the Monaco 04 as we like to call it Jano Trilly with that win back then Sam He's such a legend thing he that guy Love him Speaking of legends Here's one that helped me as a child
Starting point is 00:32:33 Is Eddie Irvine Yeah a few wins for Eddie Irvine Four to be exact So he is a correct answer Harry Um Maxi Vistap Oh, Harry, mate.
Starting point is 00:32:49 Do you remember that race in Abu Dhabi? Oh, no. That was his 10th win. Well, this might be a new record. We're starting 2021 out strong. Max Verstaffin is an incorrect answer. That was very deserving. Sorry, go on.
Starting point is 00:33:13 Oh, me. That sounds like that. Anyway, should we carry on? Sam, you have the win. Well done. Should we carry on and see how far you can actually go with this? Yeah, I like this year. Okay, because he's so bad in that seat,
Starting point is 00:33:29 and we spoke about him earlier, Valtru Botas. Yeah, just about nine wins. Yeah, so he is a correct answer. Harry, have you got an answer? And just to stipulate, a correct one? Fisichella. Yeah, Fizichela's good, yeah. Three wins for things.
Starting point is 00:33:50 is akela, Sam? Mark Wibber, your little Whipperskipper. It's another one with nine wins. So, you're going very close to the line, Sam, but just about the right side of it. Harry? Chuck Leclair. Chuck Leclair. He's got a couple to his name.
Starting point is 00:34:08 I'm sure he'll be able to get some more this season with that Ferrari looking to be very strong. Plus. Sam. Ralphie the Malfi. It's Ralph Schuacker. What a guy. Six wins. That is a correct answer. Harry? Everyone's favourite Sky Sports presenter, Johnny Herbert. Oh, he was my next one as well. Johnny Herbert Lee.
Starting point is 00:34:36 Yeah, he of course has four wins. Most people think he has three, but people forget the Bahrain Esports race of 2020. Oh, I've got an excellent time that was. It's so good. That is funny. Oh, I did have one. I'm too busy laughing at bloody Johnny Herbert now. Oh, the man after my Ketch up till's heart, it's Heinz, Harold Fritzen.
Starting point is 00:35:04 Frankson, I already say. Fritzen. Just call him HHF, much easier. Yeah, all that. It's a correct answer regardless. He's got three wins as well. Harry. I'm kind of struggling.
Starting point is 00:35:20 now. Is it, what if they've had their wins before 85, but didn't? They're still racing after 85? That's fine. That's fine, yeah. Okay, Ricardo Petrazi? Yeah, Patrasey is a good answer. Sam. It might be crazy, but it's
Starting point is 00:35:42 Zhangalazy. Crazy, Jean-A-Lazy, what a guy. That one win, of course. Canada 95, Harry? I think I might be out here. You're a fool if you're out. There's so many obvious ones left. You can't lose cards.
Starting point is 00:36:06 I can. He can. Mr Chunky. We said Mr. Chunky? Yeah, Mr. Chunky! Big Chunks, of course. One public on toy, if I'm a bit, isn't aware. Yes, that is one public.
Starting point is 00:36:22 I've got no idea why he is referred to as Mr. Chunky on this. podcast. He got made to lose weight by McLaren, that's why. Oh yeah, that was it. In David Cuthar's book, my dad had this book. In David Cawthard's autobiography, in like the pictures in the middle, there's a picture of D.C., Schumacher and
Starting point is 00:36:42 Montoya on the podium, and D.C. said it's a picture of me, Michael Schumacher, and the chunky little fella. I think it's no shame long in that book. DC's a legend. Oh, DC. All right, yeah. It is a correct answer.
Starting point is 00:36:58 He's got seven wins to his name. Sam, have you got any more answers? Yeah, Pastor Maldonado. Of course. That won Crazy Day in Spain in 2012. Harry? Robert Kibitzer. Great one.
Starting point is 00:37:17 Yep, Robert Kivitzer, another one-time winner. Sam? Have we got a date that? this Engz on? No. Good. Sergio Perez. Sergio Perez, of course. The most recent race winner at
Starting point is 00:37:32 Sequeer is a correct answer. Harry? Well, P. Gazzle, then, in that case. P. Gazel, of course, another correct answer. His first win coming in 2020. Sam? Baby face. You just don't know. It's Hakey Kovolainen.
Starting point is 00:37:47 Hakey Kovalinen is a correct answer, rinsing through the one-time winners at the moment. Harry. True. Um, how many are... I know one more because it sounds like a phallic piece. Might be a clue. A phallic piece?
Starting point is 00:38:07 Yeah. Oh my God. Olivia Pannis. Yes! You're a child. You're a child. Sam, I'm so disappointed in your humour. Harry, I'm so disappointed you understood what he meant.
Starting point is 00:38:23 How about he would be? got left? You've still got another nine. Cricy, mate. Another nine. Have you got any more names on you? I've got one that I don't think I can say properly. Who is it?
Starting point is 00:38:37 You know when you're taught as a kid to beatbox and you're meant to say two words? It sounds like the first one. Boots and cats. Yeah, let's say the first bit again. Do you mean Tieri Bootson? That's the one. It's a correct answer Yeah, he's got three ways
Starting point is 00:38:56 Teary boots and cats Yeah, Tierra Butts and Cats Wow Have you got any more names, Harry? No, I'm absolutely out now I've got no idea Sam, do you want me to reveal the last eight
Starting point is 00:39:09 Or have you got any more? I'll go with one more Rangu Renéanu's correct answer Seven wins to his name I reckon that's as far as I can go That's fair It's a good effort, apart from Max Verstappen.
Starting point is 00:39:24 That is a good effort. Just for the record, for all of you playing along at home, the ones that they didn't mention. So, Alessandra and Anini, one win for him, two wins for Patrick Tombe and Elio de Angeles. Five wins for John Watson, Mikale Alboretto, Keke Rosberg, and six wins for Jacques Lafitte.
Starting point is 00:39:45 So well done if you've got any of those. Well done if you managed to get 28 out of 28. That would be very, very, very good. very impressive. Left feet to the beat. Yeah, right. Outro music. F1.
Starting point is 00:40:09 Back and four bits F1. Back and forth. It goes backwards. And then goes four bits F1. Back and four. Yeah, F1. Well, after your triumph, Sam, if you wouldn't mind, getting us out of here for this podcast.
Starting point is 00:40:31 Folks, 2021 has already proved to be more bizarre are more strange and weird than 2020. And we've only had, was it, the sixth today? Yes, it's the six. We're like six days of it. It's crazy. Stick together. We're here for you.
Starting point is 00:40:44 I'm not sure how comforting that is, but we are back. We'll be here with a podcast every single week. And make sure to check over on YouTube for videos, which we'll be launching as well every single week. Stay tuned, help us, bro. I'm going to say it. We're going to try and hit 5K on YouTube this year.
Starting point is 00:40:57 You can help us with it. That'll be massive. So thank you. Big love. The guys have just winks in pain that I've said that. But in the meantime, I've been with a slightly mad, Samuel C. I've been bad hockey. I've been mad to stop.
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