The Late Braking F1 Podcast - No more DRS! Our thoughts on F1's NEW 2026 regulations

Episode Date: June 12, 2024

Ben, Sam and Harry break down the potential positives and negatives of the recently revealed 2026 regulations. They also discuss Sainz being targeted by Williams, Tsunoda's future, and Perez's Spain grid penalty, before finishing with a game of Order Please... LONDON LIVE SHOW! Join us as we preview the British GP live in London on 2 July, full event info + tickets HERE FOLLOW us on socials! You can find us on YouTube, Instagram, X (Twitter) and TikTok SUPPORT our Patreon for bonus episodes, historic race reviews & more! JOIN our Discord community JOIN our F1 Fantasy League: SIGN UP & create your team, and JOIN our league (join code: C3PHEQHPU04) BUY our Merch SEND us something! We have a brand new PO box - address: Late Braking Podcast, PO Box 821, TRURO TR1 9PE EMAIL us at [e-mail] & SUBSCRIBE to our podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're actually recording this, which of course means that loads of stuff is going to happen on the Tuesday and Wednesday. We're recording this on the Monday. So as it's custom, Sam, what has happened in the next? next two days of F1 as we're recording this. I think that Jacques Villeneuve has come out of retirement to prove that he's better than Daniel Ricardo to shush the haters

and he will now try and win a second world title. Harry Ead has exploded. Good job with that, Jack. To be honest, I wouldn't put it past him. It's mental, but it's not that mental. Not that mental. I reckon that's the sort of thing Jack Vindler would do because he's annoying.

good um we're not actually talking about jack villeneuve today but we do have a lot to talk about we're playing f1 order please later on in the show a free place grid penalty for sergeo perise is coming is coming his way in spain our thoughts on the reason for that being given out yuki sonoda has signed a one year extension with r b so our thoughts on him being around for 2025 james vows and his comments towards carlos signs they might be outdated now that he's taken out album in the race of Canadian Grand Prix, but we'll at least talk about what he said before the race started. But we are going to start with the news that, of course, dropped on, I think, Thursday after we recorded our preview episode last week, which in most instances would mean

we're not acknowledging the news, but this is the FIA introducing regulations for 2026, and it would be very difficult to ignore that. I'll allow it. So I suppose it defines the entire sport that we make our living from. Yeah, I think we kind of have to. So, yeah, they came out with a lot of these were rumoured and were sort of known anyway, but this is a first full unveiling of the technical regulations to be introduced from 2026 onwards. Some of the key highlights include a revised hybrid power unit that generates a lot more power from its electrical components.

The MGUH has disappeared altogether. The removal of DRS to be replaced by a manual, override mode, which will allow trailing cars to use more electrical output at speeds over 290 kilometers per hour. Active aerodynamics, allowing drivers to switch between two configurations at any time. So one configuration would be higher down force, the other would be lower down force, but also lower drag. And then lastly, the cars are set to be 30 kilograms lighter than the current generation and downforce is expected to be about 30% lower, which could mean this new generation of car is much slower.

Obviously, there's a lot to unpack there, Sam. So let's break this one down into those four sections that we spoke about. So we've got power unit, the RS, active arrow, and the overall sort of weight and speed of the car. Starting with the power unit, what are your thoughts on this becoming much closer to a 50-50 split? I'm really disappointed. There's a lot of things, I think, to be exciting about with these regulations or a lot

in the direction that feels like it's positive. But with the power unit side of things, I'm really, really disappointed. and a lot of it is because it feels very much like they've tried to innovate the power unit to essentially attract key manufacturers into the sport further, or to retain further ones such as Ferrari or Mercedes or Rangover slash Alpine. And of course, it means that Ford, Honda and Audi are going to be fully committed. But essentially they've removed the MGUH. The battery power is now essentially 50%.

And I just don't think this heavy hybrid model we're running in Formula One is It's working. I don't think it's working. I know that the megajoules per lap has been essentially doubled as well in terms of the energy being recuperated from the braking, which is quite interesting. The regenerative braking is becoming so much more powerful. I do think there's some great technology that could be applied to road cars. But when, and I've said this so many times, when Sebastian Vettel is running around in classic 90s F1 cars on sustainable fuel and it works and it looks great and it sounds amazing and it is also net zero. Why can't we just go and have some fun and do something a bit different and move away from this hybrid technology, which I think is expensive, it's chunky and it is so unsafe if something goes wrong. We saw how many different changes you've had to make to the safety unit and the core power unit to ensure that drivers are looked after cases a massive accident. But I just think that, you know, we're costing ourselves a lot of positives in the sport, including the weight, which I know has been reduced. but if we change back to a classic aspirating engine with a sustainable fuel model, I do think it would be even lighter

and the cars could go back to being way more agile. So with the power unit specifically, I was quite disappointed in where this transition has come from. I really hoped that we would end up being down a sustainable fuel version rather than a battery powered version. Harry? Yeah, I was the same. But to most, I think we knew this was coming in terms of the engines for 2026.

the whole the cars in it is going they're going in the right direction which is a positive the active error thing sounds like it's going to be controversial and more complicated than i think the fia is you know willing to admit currently um but in theory that that could be a good thing getting rid of dRS yes and i put some sort of push-to-pass system it's not quite indie car style but again it's a step in the right direction um lighter cars not slight enough uh smaller cars not small enough but again a step in the right direction that's kind of where i've gone with all of these changes um i think it will be better and for people who say that it's going to be worse because the car's going to be slower it won't be i'm telling you now i'm giving you the harry ead stamp

of guarantees which is worth nothing um but it's it's a slower a slower a slow a slow formula with better racing will be way better. Look at 2012. It was good. 2012 was good. That is a good point. On the power unit, I'm with you, Harry, and there's no surprise at this point what was coming. The fact that the likes of Audi and Ford and, I mean, would be Cadillac have all been interested in the series because of what they knew, the power regulations power unit regulations were going to be. If they just gave him a curveball at the last moment, I don't think they would be overly pleased.

So I don't think there's any shock on the way they've gone with this. I think for me, the most surprising thing about the power unit is that Stefano Domenicali, also known as Steve Sunday, he had some comments about how in 2030, which will be the next power unit regulations, that the battery might not be needed by then, which is, might well be right and might well be true.

It's just a really odd thing to say at this point where I liken it to imagine Sony have just released, like in 18 months time, which is roughly time frame what this is going to be in terms of the 2026 regs, imagine Sony in 18 months saying we're going to announce, we're going to release the PS6 and it's going to have this, which is exactly the same as the PS5, but actually we won't need that bit on the PS7 that will come in a few years time. It just sound nonsense, right? Why it just overshadows, I think, exactly what they're introducing, even if it is right. So I was surprised by that.

But you're right, Sam, in terms of these chunky power units, because that's what they are. It is going to be difficult. And it does feel like everything that they have done, rightly or wrongly, has to accommodate those power units. Everything else has to work around it. It's like packing a suitcase, right? If you're packing a suitcase, you always start with the massive big thing

that you're putting in the suitcase and everything else fits around it. That's kind of how the power unit is. Everything else isn't going to be fit in first and then they just put a power unit in as well. It's a big boy. So we'll have to see, I don't think we've heard the last of this,

I don't think the teams are particularly happy with a number of things. So this is just the start. No DRS, Sam, your thoughts? Yeah, now this big fan, not just a big fan, huge fan of no DRS. I love the fact that we're moving towards, and I hope that this is backed up by the rest of the regulations because otherwise it could be a total disaster.

And this could be the one part of the entire regulations that could see an immediate overhaul within the first year of the being implemented if it doesn't work as intended. Because I think for no DRS to work as a concept, it means that overtaking has to be completely plausible using every other element of the car. You need to be able to follow closely. You need to be able to be near wheel to wheel through a lot of corners. You need to have the outright power and slipstream ability to get past the car in front of you.

Otherwise, we end up with a real procession because whilst DRS has not been everyone's best friend, and we've been quite publicly clear on this on the show that we think it's a necessary evil. It has done the positives, right? It has allowed for overtakes to take place. And when they get the size of the DRS zone right, it does produce really good late-breaking maneuvers into corners that mean that the DRS set set up. It assists those overtakes.

Sometimes it goes too far. Sometimes the zone is too big. And you see cars blasting past their opponent before we've even got to the braking zoning. It's boring. Sometimes it's too small. Monaco, for example, even with the IRS. You can't really get a move done.

So they need to make sure that the rest of the regulations are correct and viable and competitive to ensure that a no DRS zone framework is something that actually can allow and produce competitive racing, overtaking, variable strategies. I'm glad it's going, but I'm only glad it's going if the rest of the stuff works. Harry, your thoughts on DRS out and manual override mode in?

Mom. Yeah, I am very happy about this. um it obviously remains to be seen whether this will work but i think it will and i'm hoping and they've not clarified this but correct me if i'm wrong about how actually it will be executed but i'm hoping actually this will bring in some more tactical strategical uh play here some some what we had or close to what we had with with curs back in the day because that was good i think hers was good um and it worked and you could you could play around with it during a lap you use it off the start.

You can save a bit, hold back and use it on the next long straight off the start. There's loads of reasons ways to use it. I'm hoping that's what they're going to do here with mom. And yeah, and I'm very pleased about this.

I do hope it does live up to indie car standards of push to pass. I know it's going to be a slightly different system. But anything that means that DRS, yes, when it works, it does work. But the problem is you, you, you, limit overtaking or even

drivers thinking about overtaking to a certain part of the racetrack and it really it really dulls or notifies any sort of creativity when it comes to lining up and overtake for the most part. It does still happen in other places. Remember Alonzo's move on Hamilton at Bahrain last year and how we went mental over it

because it was completely unexpected in a corner that has no bearing on DRS. Precisely. And that's exactly my point. I think that's been the main gripe with DRS is that even if an overtake, I mean, that's just Alonzo being a Chad in Barone. But I think for the most part, drivers just wait. If they're that close behind a car, they'll just wait for the DRS zone to come up because it's the easier risk-free option.

And I think that's probably the main problem with it for me. So I'm glad it's going and I'm hopeful that this new system is good. It's time for skeptical Ben. Oh, skeptical Ben's here. Skeptical Ben's here. Similar to what you've both really said, but getting rid of DRS is only as good as what's replacing it, and I haven't seen enough detail on manual override mode yet

to make me fully convinced that this is going to be better. I've always disliked the artificial nature of DRS, but if you are going to replace something as artificial as DRS with something equally artificial and doesn't include strategy and we don't know yet, then arguably you haven't really moved forward or backwards. Now, based on a few comments I've seen,

and I think there was an interview with, guessing it would have been Nicholas and Bassist, but I'm not 100% sure. It sounds like at the moment the idea would be, if you are within a certain amount of time of the car ahead at the beginning of a lap, you then get that deployment throughout the next lap, but potentially there is some strategic element as to where on that lap you get to use it.

That's completely unconfirmed. That's just me trying to read between the lines of what's said here. If that's the case, I think that's all right. I think that's better than what we've got at the moment. But equally, I still want them to go further than that. I would like to see every single driver's exactly the same as Indycard. Every driver has a certain number of seconds they can use this for. they can use it wherever they want, whenever they want,

however they think it's going to benefit their race. Because we want these drivers to be thinking all the time, and we want driverability, which includes using their head as much as their hands and feet. We want that to matter in F1. I think that's a way you get there. I'm just, I've been burned by the FIA too many times. I'll wait until we've got a few more details.

Harry, you said that the active arrow has a chance of being overly confusing. I believe, Aston Martin team principal, Mike Crack, agreed with you. I think he had some comments where, yeah, he was a little bit worried that it might be difficult to keep up with. Again, it looks like it would be you have two modes. You have an X mode and a Z mode, which, sure. But yes, essentially, one of them is going to be better in the corners. one of them is going to be better in a straight line. What are your thoughts on it?

Yeah, this is my worry that it's just slightly too. We're getting too complicated here. And I know why they're doing this to, you know, so one mode is grippy, gripping corners and other mode is fast in a straight line, which it should aid overtaking as well. But I do just, it's got the, it's got the makings of something that can go wrong very easily. and I just think I'd let F1 teams will figure it out

but I just think that's a very complicated system to get right um and what like I think forgive me if I'm if I'm missing here

what happens if you leave it in fast mode and you go into corner you're slow but you spin off have accident I think it's just a I don't think the difference would be that dramatic like but in

in the same like for example DRS if you left a DRS open it's not like that I would think it's not that extreme but you never know anyway well I guess remains to be seen yeah for me this one is just a bit it just seems a bit too we're getting a bit too complicated here

it doesn't we don't I don't think we need this necessarily I'll like I say I'll I'll wait for proof is in the pudding and I'll wait for it to the pudding to be served um I don't

to make it full judgment. But I just don't feel like, for a casual fan, who the hell is going to care about X and Z mode? Yeah. Quite frankly, I don't. And I'm, I'm saying I'm more than a casual fan.

Can we call it super fast mode and super terny mode? Would work better, but again, do we need to? Super terny mode. Yeah, I have a few doubts on this one. My main concern on this is, we could turn up at FP1, whatever the first race is of 2025,

or 2026, and all of the teams after FP1 know exactly when to use one mode and when to use the other, at which point? What's the point? If you get a concern, these teams are clever.

I mean, some of them try their best to tell us otherwise at times, but they are very clever. And if they just arrived to a consensus very early on in the weekend as to where you use one and where you use the other, at that point, you've got to look at it and go, well, not really any point, is there?

So unless there is a difference in opinion that could be gained from this, and we do get some being a bit bolder in terms of using that, that straight line speed, in parts of the track where others don't, sure, that might be interesting, but I could see this going sideways very quickly. Sam? Yeah, it's a very confusing set of words. And sometimes I like your funny words, Magic Man, And sometimes I get very confused by what you're trying to actually say.

And it comes across very vague. Because I feel like currently it could be a system that replicates what Mercedes brought in, which was quickly removed, which of course was Das, right, where you pull the steering wheel column back and it inverts the camber on the tyres. And it means that they've got a better straight line set up and it allows the tire warm up to be improved. That is movable arrow. It was removed from the car after the year because they frowned upon it. It's technically aerodynamics that are seen.

seeing a certain part of the racetrack. Equally, it could be so extremely other way that in my mind, I've got the scene from Menin Black 2 coming in where Will Smith is driving the car into the tunnel, and he goes, don't push the red button. And they push it, and the car does that thing where it turns into the super flat, super fast car, and they drive it with a PS2 controller,

and it flips onto the top of the tunnel, and then it's got all of the straight line speed craziness going on. I don't know what it's going to look like. It could be a transformer car. Oh, my. Probably not that. But you get my point. The wording is so ambiguous.

It's so interpretive. I don't seem to know what's really going on with it. And that scares me because it could be completely redundant. It could be completely useless technology that breaks is expensive to fix. Ruins cost cap conversations. And we can't have it being competitive anymore and overtakes and maybe ruined because of it if it goes wrong. Equally, I love the idea that Formula One want to try something new and experiment and do something a bit different. if it works, it could be brilliant.

I'm just skeptical that it's going to work. But I'm happy to be proven wrong. Final point on the new regs is weight. Harry, what are your thoughts on this? Some of the teams are already a bit worried that they're not going to be able to make this 30 kilogram reduction. What do you think? Why? You used to be able to make F1 cars small.

Stop. No, it's not their fault. F1 teams. I'm sorry. Yeah, well, it goes back to your chunky, chungus hybrid engines, isn't it? That's not helping things here. I mean, F1 teams will make it. They always do.

Maybe not helping, but the rest of them will. They're still struggling with this one on this, this current formula. Another 30 kilos, you're joking. I don't know. The weight. Bring out the meme. The weight reduction itself, like I said, it's a step in the right direction. It's still too heavy for me these cars, but fine.

I'm glad it's going the right way. F1 team suck it up. You'll get over it. As long as it doesn't mean that drivers start doing what they did before and lose a lot of weight, like dangerously because that's not good. But overall, I agree with the weight reduction. These cars are so heavy. We watch this weekend.

we watched all of the F1 together, pretty much all of it, and we watch Joe Guan Yu have the laziest spin in FP3. The guy just touched the curb, hit the apex of a corner, and it spent his car around. And because these cars are so heavy,

he ended up in the barrier. Now, I know it's still his fault, but these cars aren't, like, you can't catch these cars anymore. You rarely see a save, unless your name's Fernando Alonzo, probably. You rarely see a saving these cars because they just,

they just, as soon as they get, unsettled, you're having a spin or a crash. And that's just rubbish. They look pathetic and I hate that. So a lighter car definitely I just hope

F1 teams could actually do it. Yeah, I can appreciate the challenge here because if you, so we might be 30 kilograms less than what we've got at the moment, but at the same time they are still heavier than what we had in 2021.

So if you look at 2021 versus what will be in 2026, 2021, the maximum was 752. In 26, the max will be 768. So they've actually gone up by 16 kilograms versus what we had in 2021. But crucially, and it comes back to the power unit again, the power unit was only responsible for 145 kilograms of that. And that's still the case now in these current regs. That will probably estimates at the moment are that will go up to 185. as a result of everything else that needs to happen with this, you know, reclaiming the energy.

You're going to have to drop 30 kilograms, but at the same time, you're going to be given a power unit. There's 40 kilograms heavier than what you've currently got. So actually, you need to find 70 kilograms, not 30, which is that's about 10% of these current cars. That's a lot. I genuinely, we might have four-year-olds in the cars if it reduces the weight that much at this point.

Ian, you're up. Ian might be world champion in 2026. She's a good girl. I can appreciate the concern. Any closing thoughts on the reg, Sam? Yeah, more, more, more. I don't think it's enough. I don't think all of the size and weight about these cars is enough.

You brought up the point exactly that I wanted to make that the 2021 cars or 2019 cars, wherever it was, were still lighter than this. It's definitely possible to do. I don't see it as an excuse. You are some of the most intelligent people in the world of automotive works, make it happen. The FIA haven't made up these and just chuck some numbers in the air.

There's science behind it, there's research behind it, it's possible. They wouldn't be making impossible regulations. I know the FIA do some silly things. I don't think they're that silly. On the sizes of the cars as well, barely anything. Right, the width has been reduced from 2,000 millimeters to 1,900-900-millimeter. 10 centimetres is nothing in a car this big. The wheelbase drops from 3,600 to 3,400.

20 centimeters again, absolutely nothing in cars like this. It's barely the length of a bloody school ruler in difference in these cars. We want them much smaller, much lighter, much more agile. I'm glad they're getting more drag and they're going to be tougher to drive. But have it so, we watched F4 at the weekend at Thruxton. And, you know, they're going three, four wide through corners. They're kind of all over the shop. You could take different lines.

It's exciting and different. You saw how good the junior formula's Monaco Grand Prix was, because the cars are smaller and more agile and lighter. I don't think this goes far enough at all. This is the one bit that I'm really, really frustrating about. I wanted much lighter, much smaller, much more difficult to drive cars. And I don't think we're getting it. And they're already mowinging about it.

They're already complaining, which I'm disappointing. So it was a bit gutted by a few parts of these regulations, this bit being the major part. Long old chat on Rex. I hope you enjoyed it, everyone. If you didn't, all bad at all bad at the end. Oh, bad. hitting a miss.

Exactly. We'll take our first break at this point in the episode. On the other side, we're chatting about Williams and Carlos Sines. So James Vals has some comments on their driver lineup, Williams driver lineup for 2025 in the lead up to the Canadian Grand Prix. Of course, Alex Albin is already confirmed at the team, but on the other side of the garage, no confirmation on Logan Sargent's seat. So there is one available.

He was very complimentary towards Carlos Sines. and those rumours have been increasing over the last few weeks. And James Alas even came out and said this, and I'm not paraphrasing this, word for word, the number one target is Carlos. Are you surprised at how open he is about this, sir? No. It is an unusual tactic for a driver, unless you're, for a team, rather, unless you're to toast to the wolf who decides to declare that Max Verstappen is the one and everything they've ever wanted right now.

but James Vowels has almost made it his M.O. It's almost his brand to be this upfront, honest, well-explained individual. You see it with their race breakdowns. You see it with how they talk about the dynamics at the team and the position they find themselves. Since day one, James Vows has been in that team. He has been so open and honest with the fans of the team. I imagine behind closed doors with the likes of stakeholders. He's brought some great staff members.

And the investors are coming in, right? they've got more sponsors and they've had for a long time. So it's something he's doing is working. And I believe this frank honesty about the situation is part of it. Now, we're not stupid. I know we'd like to come across us sometimes, but it's very clear that Logan Sargent hasn't been doing the job. I think that even Williams were expecting.

As we've said, Ben, you'd be very agamong on this, that they weren't hiring Logan's sergeant for his ability right now. They were hoping that he was going to mature and develop into something faster. Let's face it. I think even they're fully aware that isn't happening. That boat has sailed. So they've come out and publicly said, it's an ambitious reach and we're building something. Carlos Science is the guy we want.

It's a home here for you. You'd be welcome. We've got plans to move forward and we're willing to work with you and Alex to make a really, really strong team. Alex Albon has come out and said as well, I believe, that he quite happily take Carlos Science as a teammate and you feel there'd be a good dynamic there. So I respect it. I really enjoy this approach. I think it's very different for an F1 team. We'll see if Carlos bites, because I think science and Albon, in a progressive,

Williams could be a very tasty little lineup. What do you think? Are you surprised at how open James Vowles is being about signs being the number one target? I don't think I'm surprised by it. I respect it. He's not being about the bush here. James Vals knows what he wants.

He's going after it. And that being Carlos Sines. The way he's going about it, it sounds like it's actually could be a realistic option here. I'm not sure he'd be shouting about it quite so much if it wasn't. and look, yeah, like you say, Sam, if he ends up signing it,

is, what, what's he promising these people? Because he secured Albon for a few years. And if he ends up securing Carlos Sides, like you said, Sam, that is a tasty, tasty lineup, a Sines Albon lineup. It's pretty damn good.

Based on what? Do you get James Vows as a hype man? Yeah. Healthy relationship. The guy's just promising a healthy safe space. I love that. I mean, fair. And if he does, then that's some excellent work.

And I saw an interview with him on Sky over the weekend. Maybe we were together at that point. I can't remember. And he was saying, we've got lots of signings that are going to come out of the next few weeks and months. I'm like, all right, James. Go on, my boy. He's got the stove out.

He's cooking. Let Val's cook. So, yeah, but this is what he's brought in to do. And it's, I'm glad, you know, Williams have had a tough year this year. And he's repeatedly said it's not about 24, 25. It's about 26 onwards for Williams. And he's building those foundations. And if Carlos Sines is part of those foundations, which, you know, at one point you would

just say, though, that's never going to happen. Now looking like a more realistic option, that could be very, very good time for Williams ahead. So, yeah, very interested by this. It does seem like actually this could be a, could be an actual. done deal the way Val's is talking about it. But yeah, fair, fair play. Yeah, I'm not surprised, same reasons as you've given.

And I love it. I think it is a great approach to take. You're right. It's so odd as well because whenever it comes to, you know, drivers or team members talking about potential moves of drivers, so often it is we're assessing our options and talks are on. ongoing. So yeah,

you're basically doing the classic politician thing of saying something by saying nothing. But that's not what James Vows is doing here. He's very open in saying that the number one

target is Carlos Sines. I think Vows has basically assess this situation and gone, right, Red Bull is no longer in the picture. They have confirmed

their lineup for next year. Mercedes have shown no interest in Carlos Sines whatsoever. Still find it a little bit weird that they haven't, but they've put

no interest towards him, at all. Have you thought about it, Mercedes? Do you know he exists? Max. Yeah, so I think he's determined that those two options aren't going to happen. And actually, if you

think of any other contenders, it's probably them or Sauba slash Audi at this point. I think James Vowse can say confidently, whether it's right or wrong, doesn't really matter. He can confidently say, we back ourselves versus any of those other teams. Like, even with the incoming Audi,

like we back ourselves. We want you signs, you are great. We are going to be great. Look at all of these people that have already joined us. Look at all of these people that will join us. We are passionate about what we're doing. We are encouraged by what we're doing and we are going to be great sooner rather than later. Join us. It's a great sales switch. It's bold. It's direct. And it's, I think it has a good chance of working. I respect him a lot for going down this path. Logan Sargent, of course, currently. in that seat and he will be listening to this and hearing that exact line, our number one target is Carlos.

Does that comment, Sam, just is that it? It's got to knock the window at your sales, isn't it? He's a good lad as well, Logan Sargent. You see how much he's tried. I mean, it's an example we've used time and time again, but I throw it back to how much he tried at the likes of Qatar, where he was struggling so much and just wanted to do his best. And you've heard him come over the radio in frustration

where mistakes have been made, your problems have come out. And he's almost upset over the radio. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Or why has it happened? I was trying so hard. And you kind of hear his engineer come over and go, we know, mate. Like, we know.

And I don't think anyone has any malice towards Logan Sarlesham Williams. I don't think they want to turf him out of the door. I know that they would if they didn't have to at this point. But you saw his head in his hands after the Canadian Grand Prix, where he dropped it twice. He essentially finished last. He was the worst driver on the grid pretty much. It's just for the sake of the fact that this is a competitive sport

and not a fun event where, you know, everyone gets a participation trophy. I think he knows and Williams know it's time for him to go. He gave it a good try, but I just don't, he's just not cut out for it. And I think the realisation is setting. So a bit going for him because he seems like a sweet guy. But it's just not the one.

He's struggled so much. consistently on track that I essentially reached a point where I didn't think that anything on track that he did was going to determine whether he gets a seat next year or not. Because at what point do you say, okay, that's enough. No, actually, that's enough. So I was convinced that nothing on track was going to be the deciding factor. And actually, it was going to be something off track instead. This is it.

Yeah. I think this is it. Because even if, let's say Carlos signs, it falls through and that doesn't happen, can you go back to a driver who you have been as open as this to say, look, you weren't our number one op. I just can't see it. I cannot see. I can perfectly see Carlos signs that not happening and then going for another driver

and that working out. I just can't see them considering Logan Sargent as an option full stop after saying this sentence. It would be weird. I felt like I felt like this was the confirmation. what do you think Carrie? Yeah, absolutely

there's no way they're going to keep him and sorry Logan and like you said some of there's no malice towards him whatsoever but it's just it just seemed

there's just a fact if you've openly said there's another driver who's your number one choice here not even an option no no he's the option he's the option and you know

that that's for Logan that's he knows he must know that he's not even the number two option here so because he he knows he's not the number two option because he's currently the one driving the car and that would he would think well that makes me number two but why would he be saying number one i should be the number one option but i'm not even though i'm the one driving the car so yeah i just don't see why they were why they would like said ben it'll be someone else if it's not signs um and it's a tough one that's a tough one for him to take, you know,

fairly early on in the year, but he's still got a long season ahead to prove himself. I'm not saying there's another drive out there for him, but it doesn't mean that he should let his head drop on that one. I'm sure that it's tough to take, but maybe it may be do the opposite. Maybe the pressure will be lifted off and he can, you know, perform better that way.

But yeah, it's not going to be, not going to be Logan. Indy car? Yeah. I mean, it's a very plausible option. sure won't be mad focusing on the Carlos Sines part of this

Sam for as long as we can remember Carlos Sines since he's gone from Ferrari it's been Audi Audi Audi that is the number one option and then all of a sudden last couple of weeks Williams seemingly sprung out of nowhere is Williams the right call for Carlos Sines

it's a really tough question isn't it because it's essentially saying to Carlos predict the future tell us what one will be more successful and how you'll have a better career with and that is the impossible. You've got to assess your options. You've got a hope that they present a very honest plan

to where they think they could be what that is. And then you as a driver have got to have a technical understanding of one, what that means, two, how it fits into the future and three, using your current knowledge of the setup that you're reing to go, is that going to be progressive? Is that going to be positive? I think it depends on two different directions that Carlos Sites might want to go in.

With Audi, it's an all or nothing situation. situation. He joins Audi and they are either a midfield to back market team and the risk doesn't pay off and it's going to take too many years for them to progress to the front again by that point maybe he's moved out of the sport or he joins Saudi and he gets it right in the first two years and he's a multiple race winner because I think science will beat Holkenberg in their current form at their current point in their career to a championship if the car was available and I think it's literally a flip of a coin. If they get it right and he's in the right place at the right time you've got a jenks and button at braw you've got a lewis hamilton moving to msays within a year or so

and you've got a championship fight with williams on the other hand it's very much you know what you're getting yourself into it's much more unknown quantity and it's whether you want to take the risk of going they're trying to move forward slowly they're trying to be progressive they're trying to build something here am i willing to give five years six years of my career to possibly be a race winnall with this team because that's what you're going to have to do with you. with Williams. You know you're going to have to commit to the long term and hope that the progression is steady, but also tangible and something that you can actually see happening on tracking. It's not just a 10th here, a 10th there. They need to start making up positions in the

championship on a regular basis. So I think Williams is a safe option. It's a sound option. It keeps him on the F1 grid. And I think he's more than competent enough to hold onto that seat for as long as he would want it unless they have some kind of major fallout. It's just whether he wants success overnight or he wants to hope that success comes to him in time. I think it's a difficult choice. Harry, Eidstradamus, as we like to call him, what's the right call?

Sure. That completely told me, oh God. I told you that so many times. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. such a common nickname for me. What's the right call? I think the Williams move could be a good move for signs. The problem with the Audi is it's such an unknown.

I know Williams is not necessarily, it's not a proven quantity in that regard, but Audi is completely unknown as to what, we think we know what they can do in terms of motorsport. in racing in general. But in terms of Formula One, they are an unknown quantity. Wouldn't be the first time that a big name came in and didn't work out.

Hello, Toyota. How are you? Exactly. It can happen. Exactly. I mean, hello Honda engines when you came in in 2015. So that's the risk. And I can see it could pay off.

It could really pay off signs if he did go there. But there's a risk that that's the end of his career. And it ends it. Audi and it's a disaster. So I'm not saying he's going for the safer option here because it's Williams, but it does feel like at least he's got something to back it up with a little bit. They know they've got a lot of work to update their facilities and things like that, but they've got the heritage.

They've got the knowledge. James Vals is building something here. I think it could be a good move. But it's a tough one. with that where does you got brandy ms, Mercedes aren't interested. Red Bull clearly uncted

of sign Perez going to a to a Mercedes does it actually make that much sense for science where he is in his career. This is like what the last role, not roll of the dice, but kind of, you know,

last chance saloon here to make something big given his current circumstances and Williams or an Audi of the options and I think potentially Williams is the better of the two, but it's very difficult to tell. So I don't think it's a bad move, but I think it's hard for him to,

hard for him to know. It is a huge move. It's a huge move for Carlos Seins. And it really needs to work out for him. And I mean, evidence of it, I'm not saying this is exactly what could or will happen. But I feel like someone like Daniel Ricardo is evidence of how important these moves can be. Because Daniel Ricardo, to be fair, age-wise and success-wise,

pretty similar to Carlos Seins right now when he made the move to Renaud and then McLaren. and he's still trying to recover from that now, and let's face it, might not. So it is a massive move for Carlos Sines, and it's incredibly difficult because the current pace just doesn't matter. Salba might be a little bit slower than Williams at the moment. It matters.

It doesn't matter in the slightest, because he's not basing this decision on where they are now. And frankly, he's not really basing the decision on where they'll be next year. He might have a really bad 2025, not his own doing, It's just whatever car he turns up in 2025 might not be as good as what the Ferrari is right now. He's going to expect that.

He's only making this decision based on where that will be in 2026. And he doesn't, as far as I'm aware, own a crystal ball. He probably does now have said that. But he can't tell the future. So he's got to be really, I feel like him and his team need to be really up in the details of both Williams and Salber, what their plans are. Exactly what are you doing? It might work. It might not work.

but you need to know exactly, you know, what's the structure going to be for the next few years? What are you planning to do with this, you know, whether it's wind tunnel or whatever it might be? I feel like you really need to get into the minutia of exactly what both of these teams are going to do to be able to make a decision because they both come with their own risk.

They both could work as well. We don't know, but the more information you can get out of these teams, the better inform you can be to make that cool. Let's take our second break at this point in the episode. we're going to be talking about Yuki Sanoda right after this. Okay, welcome back, everyone. Yuki Sanoda has signed a one-year extension with R.B., also known as Minardi.

Although perhaps more accurately, the team activated a one-year extension on his current deal. Do you think this is good for both, Sam? Quite frustrated by this whole situation. If I've not made that clear in previous episodes, I just don't get it. I don't get it. Yuki's been great this season. It's his best season in the sports so far. And he should be a wanted driver, I think.

I think there's enough seats out there that, you know, why is he? Maybe it is, and we don't know it, but why is his name not in the ring for the William C or the Audi seat or this other Alpine seat that's now become available? I think he needs to do what Pierre Gassner did and free himself of this Red Bull family because I think it's become abundantly clear that Red Bull. no matter how good Yuki Snago proves himself to be, will not move him into the top team.

They won't give him that top seat. So other than the fact he's currently a Formula One driver, which sure is nothing to be sniffed at, and a lot of people would love to be one, what is he gaining at staying at this team, at RB? What does he get to do? He's never going to win races. He's never going to be a top-tier competitor.

He's never going to emulate what the likes of Norris or Russell or Lecler or Science I was able to do right now, because the team isn't fit for it. I just, and so with Senoda, I think his career stagnates. I think his career falls apart a little bit because he's missing out on seats that are now available that other people will pick up for multi-year deals. And with Red Bull, what do you get out of this? What's the positive for them?

Stability, yes. But why do you need stability in a Cisco team whose objective isn't to win the championship? Why are you not experimenting? Why are you not taking risk within this team? Why are you not promoting someone like Hajjar from F2? or someone like that who can maybe sit there and go, we don't know if he's going to be any good, but that's the point of this team is to experiment.

And see, actually, can he find his feet? Why is Lawson not the first person in the door to be giving a drive for next season to go? We think he's got something. He showed off brilliant talent when he came in for a few races last season. So we're giving him a whole year in the seat now because that's the point of this drive to develop a young driver. And what are they waiting for for 25 to come along? It will make total sense to give a young driver 2025 to develop,

go, they're the right driver for 26. Let's give him a two-year D now to make sure that they can develop with the new regulations. I just, for the minute positives that this brings, I don't understand what you're actually gaining other than just stability. Maybe the deal with Honda, which is going away very, very soon. So even that tie is gone, it doesn't sit right with me. I don't like it. I just think it's a bit of a waste.

What do you think, Harry? Some thinks it's a bad call for team and Sonoda. Do you agree with that? I'm not sure about the team I don't think it's from a team point of view yeah what we said it before what are R be there for now are they a junior team anymore or are they just

a team don't know because this call again and we'll see what they do with the second seat if they make that a Ricardo seat then quite frankly what is the point of them being called a junior Red Bull team anymore from Sonoda's side I don't think this is a bad thing at all

I mean it keeps his drive but also I think this just keeps him in the game for the Honda Aston Martin deal in coming in 26. Now I'm not saying that any seat's going to come available, but I think just keeping himself on the grid

until that potentially comes around because I do just get the feeling that could be a deal that's incoming here. It's no bad thing. I think sitting on the sidelines even for a year is just never as good as being in the car. So from Yuki's point of view,

I don't see this necessary as a bad thing. I know it's another season. in the same team, that being the junior, or junior in a verticomers, red ball team. But I don't think it's a disaster for him. And, you know, he's coming off the back of his strongest year so far.

He can't stay there forever. But I do kind of get the impression. Maybe this is just a holding, holding station for him right now. So from his point of view, I think it's a disaster from RBs. Yeah, what's the point? A bit of stability.

Yeah, I get that. But yeah, it's about clarifying or confirming what they're actually on the grid to do. I love it when this happens because we've got three completely different takes on this. Excellent. Where Sam thinks it's a bad move for both parties. Harry thinks it's an all right move for Sonoda but not the team. I think it's an all right move for the team, but not for Sonoda.

Interesting. So from the team's perspective, by the way, I don't think it's like an amazing move for the team. But equally, I'm not sure, again, this comes back to my. skepticism. I'm not sure how ironclad that second year is for Perez. And I think that they wouldn't mind just having another solid driver who is at least a known commodity that if he needed to step in for half a season, I think he could do the job.

I don't think Red Bull are sold on him. But equally, I don't think they want to be in a position where they have nowhere to turn if they really wanted to go in a different direction. So I think for the team, it's fine. I then think it's, I'm concerned for Sonoda because I think at the moment he's got a perfect storm of his stock is arguably higher now than it's ever been before. And we don't know what's going to happen. It might be the highest it will be until next season, depending on what his form does.

His stock is really high at the moment and the market is very open this year. There's no guarantee that this time next year, both of those things are going to be true again. And I feel like Sonoda, there could have been the opportunity to leverage that, whether it is, I appreciate the point on Aston Martin not being available now, maybe it is in a year's time, it is a bit of a gamble. There are other seats available now that arguably maybe he could have taken. And I'm not basing this on anything other than my judgment. There's been nothing out here that said this. But again, it does sound like the team has activated the extension on this. I'm not certain how that's played out.

I wouldn't be surprised if Yuki Sonoda was having a look around at other teams, and R.B, I've just wanted to lock him up and make sure that all of that was put to a stop. Because I think there would be some interest from some other teams in Sonoda right now. And of course, Sunoda has come out and said, I'm glad to be part of this project for another year. He would say that regardless of whether everything was all good behind the scenes or not all good behind the scenes. So I am unconvinced it's a good move for Sonoda. But for the team, I can...

For the team, it's all about what they do with the second seat. Because if they bring back Sonoda and Ricardo next year, I'm not for that, because I think that's silly. But if they then use that second seat to either put Lawson back in or bring in a Hadjar, then I can understand it. I think that's fair. Staying in the Red Bull family, Sergio Perez, so we didn't talk about this one in the race review,

came out a bit afterwards. So Perez has been given a three-place grid penalty for the Spanish Grand Prix. And this concerns him driving back to the pits in an unsafe condition after he crashed his rear wing into the wall. And Red Bull specifically requested on this that he drive back to the pits to avoid a safety car. Vastappan, of course, is leading the Grand Prix at that time. That was judged to be in line with presidents, a three-place grid penalty for Perez at the next Grand Prix. Harry, do you think this is a fair penalty? Yeah, it's a fair penalty.

I don't like that. It's, it's, look, they are within their rights estate, are within their rights to turn to get it back to the pits. But for the reason that they have done it, I, I, doesn't sit well with me because it's, it's not this, but it's trying to fix the race, isn't it? You're trying to fix the outcome of a race doing, you know, by

telling your driver to do something. And now, please, I'd like to clarify, I don't mean they fixed the race here because they didn't. We're not, no, no. It's not Flavio, Briatore, Renno, doesn't they? Someone cripping.

No. They didn't do that. But it, but it's, it's, it just, it's just kind of sits kind of uneasy with me. The other driver has been doing the barrier all by themselves. your team like if that causes a safety car then the team has to face if that causes a safety car and loses

a max stab and a win sign a different driver have a different driver if you if that's the problem you got here your driver other driver's bidding it and cost new results then maybe sign a different one so I it doesn't sit well with me

the penalty's fair feels like there needs to be some clarification on what you can I mean it's very niche unique situation and we saw not something similar, but almost similar with McLaren in Miami where they were like, Oscar, do not do anything

to jeopardise his spin by causing a safety car. Now, and that's slightly different. And I'm sure if Oscar had had a crash and he could have got back to the piss. I'm sure McLaren would have done the same in that sense too. So in that situation too. So yeah, I think penalties is fair. I feel like there needs to be some sort of ruling on what.

It's a very unique situation to happen. But some sort of ruling on what is that you're allowed to get your driver to do there. You could argue Perez's car wasn't that damage. The rear wing was hanging off. They could fight that one. But still,

I think just in general, there should be a blanket rule over it. I didn't like this at all. I think the penalty should have been harsher. Because what you are essentially saying at this point, what Red Bull is saying at this point is, I don't, I don't care about safety.

We care about the race. And they're an F1 team. Of course, they're going to try and gain every, advantage that they can. And I'm not saying that other teams wouldn't have done the same thing. There might well have been other teams that have done the same thing. But to tell your driver to drive your car in an unsafe condition so it doesn't impact

our race, I don't like that. Safety should be paramount in the sport. And I think it should be far higher up the priority list than what Red Bull made it. And honestly, if you were to ask Red Bull after the penalty that they've been given, or let's just say this is the penalty that you will be given if you do this. I think they do it anyway. I know Sergio Perez is going to be hit with a three place good penalty at Spain. I think they look at Vestappan leading the race and go, you know what? It's been a weird race. It's quite late on. A lot of weird things have happened. He's got 25 points in the bag here. Fine. We'll take the three

place grid penalty for Spain. And that surely isn't enough of a deterrent if that's the case. I appreciate it is very difficult to tell what is safe and what is not safe. But I know that Perez on his way back to the pits, parts of his rear wing did fall on the circuit. If that causes a puncture for another car, at best, it ends their race, which is unsportsmanlike. At worst, it causes a crash, which again is even more danger, which I'm not in favour for. So I was fine with a penalty. I think the FIA should have clamped down on it more. Sam?

I was really disappointed in Red Bull for doing this. I think they've gotten away essentially, Scott Ferry. Let's face it, Max for stabbing out of both those drivers will be the one contention for the race wing in Spain. This does not negatively affect their actual top driver and the slightest he'll get to carry on without any repercussions. He gets the no safety car ruling in Canada and he gets to go into Spain without any punishment.

And they're happy to sacrifice Sergio Perez. It's a very cheap deal for them to make. and I actually think Will Buckson came out and said it that the degree of separation between asking your driver to do something unsafe in order to not make a safety car is only so slightly different to asking your driver to do something to make a safety car which is what Singapore 08 was it was called match fixing or race fixing

it did result in bans like Harry said we're not calling this fixing and I don't think that was ever in their mindset that you know that's what they were trying to do But you have specifically and intentionally broken a rule to ensure that a decision goes your way for your team in that moment. And they've gotten off very lightly. Equally, we saw how treacherous that track was. We had five DNS.

We had crashes. The track was slippery all over the place. He's driving around on a mixed conditions track without a key part of your downforce that keeps the car in place. Anything happens. Anything goes wrong. Then that is an immediate risk of health and safety. to so many people. Even if he comes into the pit lane,

we saw how treacherous that could have been. What if he hits a marshal? What if he hits another pit crew member? Because we saw Bottasping, remember in the pit lane a few seasons ago at Mercedes. It's not impossible to suggest the same thing could happen. I might sound like I'm being dramatic, but I think Red Bull deserve a far harsher penalty for this.

And I almost feel bad that Perez is taking the brunt of this punishment because unless he was to stand up on the radio and go, no, that's not safe. I refuse to do it. He's been punished more than Red Bull had and I think that's really unfair. So I was really disappointed they made this call.

I do think it needs to be harsh. I think of wrong needs to be brought in that's fully cemented. You do it. Or, you know, unlucky Sally, you're having a bad time after that one. This was not okay. I just want to echo the same point

on Sergio Perez. I don't put this at his door whatsoever. This is on the team. Should we turn a thing? on fantasy update because it's good. I mean, is it good? No, not really. So we'll start at the top,

which is, well, the top of our league, I guess. Sam, you are 228th, down 13 positions from last time out, which, of course, we want to be going up rather than down, but equally based on not a good weekend, I'm assuming you'll take it. Yeah, when you've got Ferrari car, both Ferrari drivers, you've got Nico Holkenberg,

and you've got the Kick Salber and Bottas. It was tough to have a good weekend. So the fact I dropped only 13 places but scored less than 100 points, I'll take it. Yeah, I'm now 280th, that's down 23 positions. Similarly, live to fire another day, it's fine. Kirsty's had a stinker. Oh, no.

Down 88 positions to 485th. Still top half. Still top half. Still doing perfectly fine. Harry, going into this race, you were 1,321st. Things can only get better. No, you're wrong. Again.

You've gone down 17 positions. You're now 1,338th. Oh, no. Harry, would you like to know how many people there are in the league? I know the answer for this, but go on then. 1,410. What's confused me is I actually think Harry had the best team out of the four of us this weekend. I don't understand how he scored the least point.

Why is that happened? I had Max Verstappen, Fernando Alonzo, Estabano Ocon and Daniel Ricardo, and Astrid Martin is one of my teams, and I've gone backwards. That is impressive. Unless you scored well, but literally everyone are behind you, just scored better? I think that's probably what's happened. Anyway, you wait backwards.

Yeah. Interesting. At the top of the league, doing far better than any of us, it's still the same top two. It's very close between these two, and there's a bit of a gap back to third. So Sweet Papyrs and Team Austrian Anthem

continue to battle out over the top spot. Sweet Papyrs currently has the lead. But a new third place, Sergeant for the win, has joined the podium. Doing well in something, I suppose. Well done. And top scorers for the week. So in first place, we had Chokies Wookiees Dudos.

Great name. Great name. Second place was sitting on the pole. And then third place, Hamilton Hamilton's. Good. I mean, he did. Yes. If you haven't joined, it's still not too late.

You can also beat Harry. There are 1,410 teams in the league. We'd love to have you with us as well. We'll take our final break at this point in the episode. On the other side, it's F1 order, please. Prepare for the Burko Banger. Okay, here we are, everyone. Welcome back, because it's time for F1, order please.

Whether it's a can of Coca-Cola or a lump of cheese, or we're ordering drivers by the size of their knees. This game is full of facts, just you wait and see. This is Formula One. Order, order, please. Banger. Six questions. Sam versus Harry, they'll take it in turns to give one of these a go.

There are four answers to the question that go in a particular order. If they're able to get it right, they score a point, and John Burko praises them, because of course he does. But if they get it wrong, there is a choice for the other player, because they can try and steal it by ordering it correctly. And if they get that right, they get a point. but if they also get it wrong in a different way, they lose a point. So, Harry, you can start us off this time out.

What number would you like? Number four, please. We've already had number four. Imagine. Surely not. It's actually got some clueling in this quiz. Okay, I'll give you four drivers here, and I want you to order them based on the number of podiums they had consecutively to start a season.

Okay. So you've got Max Verstappen, Jensen Button, Fernando Alonzo, and Michael Schumacher. From most to least. Yeah. Schumacher Vastappen-A-Lonzo Button. You know what?

It's not a bad start, is it? Oh, goodness me. Very good. Yeah, brother. Brother. Yeah, Michael Schumacher has the most podiums to start the season because he once got them all. Started and ended.

Yep, exactly. 17 consecutive podiums that year. Vestappan had 14 consecutive to start last year before Singapore didn't go his way. Then it's Alonzo. He had nine podiums to start the 2006 season. That street was broken by Harry. I don't know.

Who? And then Button had seven to start the 2009 season until the British Grand Prix, because he cannot score podiums there. No. No. So, Harry, have a 1-0 lead. Over to you, Sam.

Number two, please, Ben. Number two. I'm going to give you four circuits. Charles LeClauze got a podium at all of these, but I want you to order them based on when he first had a podium at these circuits. Oh, okay. Canada. Mm-hmm.

The Netherlands. Russia and Baku First original earliest earliest thank you

English language earliest to most recent I'm going to go with Baku, Russia what other two Canada and what? Netherlands was the other Netherlands Canada

No Harry do you want to go No. No. That play. So the first podium was Canada. So he got a podium at Canada in 2019 in his first year at Ferrari.

Then it was Russia. He also had a podium in 2019 in Russia, but it came later in the season. Then it was Zandvoort, Netherlands. 2022. He got a podium there. And Baku, he didn't get a podium there until last season. That was his first one. So that was last time.

Well, the more you know. Harry, back to you. number six please said that with confidence as well thank you four drivers I want you to order them based on how old they were

when they made their debut in F1 and go youngest oldest okay Esteban Ockon Carlos Sines Alex Albon and Oscar Piastri

Piestri um Piestri was the youngest I've forgotten them. Estabana O'Conn. Signs and Albon. So Piazsche was the youngest. No.

Yes. No. Yes. Carlos Sines was the youngest. Then it's Piaastri. Then it's Albon that's not correct. No.

No. No. Fair play. Yeah, because that was pretty wrong, Harry. Sorry about that. Oh, is it really, really young? Young? Well, you were wrong with the youngest

was Esteban Ocon. He was only 19 years old when he debuted for manner. Signs was then 20, so he was second. Then Piastri was 21. Album was the oldest at 22. Goodness, man. Yeah, I wouldn't have got that right. It's a tough question, that.

Back to you, Sam. What number would you like? I'll have number five, please, Ben. Number five, four drivers. They've all raced for McLaren. I just want you to go when they first race for McLaren. So when they made their debut for McLaren, oldest to newest, or whatever the right one says.

The earliest to most recent. The latest? Yeah, sure. Sure. So you've got Nigel Mansell. Yeah. Mika Hackanan. Yeah.

Martin Brundall. and Andrea de Cheseris. Oh, why did you have to put De Cheseris in there? I'm going to go Manxel. Manxel de Cheseris Brundle Hackingham. No.

Do you want a go? I'll clarify it, is it from the years that they joined, not their age? The year when they joined, yes. Oh, good. Okay. I mean, I think I did it right, but I still got it wrong.

Remind me the names. Please. Mansell, Hakenen, Brondel, De Cheseris. I'll give it a steal. Oh, all right, then. Tuesday. The earliest was de Cheseris.

Then Hakenan, then Brondel, then Mantel. Love that. Now I have to dance sadly. Sad dancing. Sansing. Yes, that was perfect. De Cheseris debut for McLaren in 1981. Then it was Hackan in 1993,

Brundle in 1994, and then Mansell. Yeah, real curveball there, but you picked three consecutive years and then Andrea DeCeseris, who was nowhere near them. Yeah. Yeah, nice.

I can't believe that Manxel joined after Hacking. He also did about three races and then left again. Starting off. Cheers, Nige. She's nice. She's nice. She's nice. She's like a

Indy car. True story, folks. Look at that. It is very much of true story. We go back to you Harry for this next one with a 2-0 lead.

What's left? You've got number one or number three. Number one, please. Number three? Oh, I'm going to get it out. Well, you've got the opportunity when we can get back to you.

So, true. So four drivers, I want you to order them the same way that you ordered the last one. So from when they joined. Well, they didn't join, but we're going years here.

Okay. Same concept. When they first won, the Italian Grand Prix, you've got Rubens Barakello, Michael Schumacher, one Pablo Montoya, and David Coulthard. Michael Schumacher was the earliest.

Then David Coulthard, then one Pablo Montoya then Rubens Barakallo I am going to have to just take a quick break I'm afraid I need to call the fire service

this guy's on fire oh boy more sad dancing folks you need to look at our YouTube for the sad dancing in action it's quite a sight I'm so bad It's quite a bleak sight.

I'll be real. That was very impressive, yeah. 1996 was Michael Schumacher's first win at the Italian GP. Then it was Culfired in 97, Montoya in 2001, and Barrichello in 2002. We come up with a game where it's all about either being annoying or being angry, because I will win those. Okay. That's called Monopoly, I think. True.

I can never lose. What number? Would you like some? I think I'll pick number three, me lord. Four drivers here. I want you to list them based on how many points they've scored in their career from most to least. They are four current drivers, by the way, and I did write the numbers down for this before the Canadian Grand Prix, but nothing's changed the order of it, even if the numbers are written down a slide. Thanks for the clarification.

So you've got Alex Albin. Yeah. Pierre Gazley. Kevin Magnuson and lunch stroll Oh I'm going to get no points today None

None Um Okay so Albon Gassley Magnuson Stroll Most points is Gazley Then Stroll

Then Albon then Magnuson I'm afraid you're wrong Sam Because you have scored a point at God, dance ever felt so good. Dennis me. What journey. Yeah, well done. Pierre Gasley scored the most career points.

What is now, again, I've got changed the number here, so 397 points he's now got. Then it's Landstrol on 285, Albin 230, and then Magnuson 187. I think we're all winners, to be honest. You won, but podcasting is the winner when we do podcasts. What a line. Put it in the bio, guys.

Podcast on the winger when we do them. It's been a long weekend. Goodness, mate. I think Sam, it's probably time to put an end to it. Yeah. End it all. That's how tired we are. We're saving it up the best part of podcasting until next week.

I promise it will be back. Folks, we've got a live show. We haven't mentioned it. We've tried very hard not to talk about constantly, but tickets are available to everyone. The links in the description. We've had plenty of people picking up some tickets. Someone in Australia has bought tickets,

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There we go, very, very arsh. There we go, thank you, Ben. Good noise out, good noise there. I think that's everything. We'll be back on Sunday for another standard episode because of course no racing going on this weekend. In the meantime, I've been Samuel Sage. I've been Ben Hocking.

I've been Eastradamus. I remember. Keep breaking late. I don't understand it. Me neither. I've no idea. This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network.